Let's talk about: TRO Golden Century

[Jellico]

I have a question about the Qasar. Specifically, the meaning. From the Q-with-no-U I'm guessing it's from Arabic but the imprecision of Arabic-to-English transliteration makes it hard to tell what was intended. It could be anything from "Palace" to "Subjugator."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qasar

[Empyrus]

Probably shouldn't be surprised it is actually another Mongol warrior.
I did think it was either alternative spelling for quasar or a typo.

[Giovanni Blasini]

Interesting. Gonna have to see about picking this up next payday.

[Diplominator]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qasar

Awesome, thanks!

[Jellico]

Now try and figure out why the DC changed it to Kublai.

[Liam's Ghost]

Now try and figure out why the DC changed it to Kublai.

"We changed it, so it's ours now, and we renamed it just to prove that point."

Sort of like what happened with the Crockett?

[Empyrus]

Oh, right, one interesting thing about this TRO: it shows a similar technological transition time as the current Dark Age/IlClan era is. Makes me wonder if this has affected publishing timing?

[GreekFire]

Now try and figure out why the DC changed it to Kublai.

That's easy, it's clearly because the author of that entry has recently been playing too much Ghost of Tsushima. Obviously.

[Jellico]

That's easy, it's clearly because the author of that entry has recently been playing too much Ghost of Tsushima. Obviously.

That Johney-come-lately. :)
It puts TRO:GC into perspective when the first related reference to Kublai I have is in 2015.

[wantec]

Overall, it is a great TRO. Potato wars, the Woodsman in production again. Lovely. Some units are average, some are interesting, some are good.

Then you have the Lancelot C.

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3 LPL in a 6/9 with enough heat sinks to shoot all the time and almost max armor. And for less than 2000 BV.

Le fromage

I have to admit, that one was a bit tricky to explain why it went out of production.

[Empyrus]

I have to admit, that one was a bit tricky to explain why it went out of production.

The explanation works well enough.

That said, it could've been explained in other ways, say, the Lancelot C could've been refits. Suppose they had a large cache of Lancelots and spare parts, but those would run out eventually. Of course having a large cache of specific 'Mech causes other kinds of questions...

[GreekFire]

Well, it's also got wicked weak frontal armor protection for a heavy 'mech. Heck, it's barely tougher in that regard than the Loki - it's only got an extra 12 points distributed throughout the front-facing sections.

So yeah, its accuracy and firepower is fine when there are fewer competitors around, but honestly? I'd take a Loki against this an expect to win 9 games out of 10. And that should never happen.

[marauder648]

A very enjoyable book overall. We got lots of nice fluff and learned that the following have re-entered production.

Koku, Coyotl, Fox, Lupus, Vision Quest (at least for a short time), Minsk, Woodsman, Pulverizer, Quasar

And if you wanted one could easily turn the Vision Quest into the Nova Cats Orion IIC, one thats hella uncommon and only awarded by the Nova Cats Loremaster.

Also why's the Wakazashi missing?

The WarShips were also very nice, good art and some genuinely interesting designs, although there seems to be a typo on the Corone, its AC batteries are listed as single weapons but do 30 damage, so its  damage is wrong, or its got 3 x NAC-10's in each arc.

The ASF fighters are really really nice, and you can see why many of them went away soon either due to single heatsinks or they were killed off in their story.

The only irksome thing is that not all of the things got new art, but thats time and money and I can live with them being as they are :) 10/10 for sure!

[Liam's Ghost]

Also why's the Wakazashi missing?

I like to think it's because of that irksome fozzy bear spelling.

[Chinless]

I have a question about the Qasar. Specifically, the meaning. From the Q-with-no-U I'm guessing it's from Arabic but the imprecision of Arabic-to-English transliteration makes it hard to tell what was intended. It could be anything from "Palace" to "Subjugator."

Or it could be one of Genghis Khan's brothers, much like Ogotai was one of his sons.

Chris

[Dragon Cat]

Worth the money I spent glad to see some link into current forces too it was nicely done

[Kit deSummersville]

The Peregrine is easily my favorite of the whole book. Not the best design, obviously. Basically a proto-Fredasa running on cocaine, but still my favorite.

Plus, I really dig how one of its listed accomplishments is a great potato raid. Might be my Idaho ancestry talking.

Thanks. I wasn't planning on pitching for it until the writer-wrangler suggested it and, well, it took off.

I do wonder what Weirdo thinks of the death of the CSJ Obsidian now....

[Weirdo]

The death was sad, but they're WarShips, fighting and dying is what they're supposed to do.

(They're also supposed to get replaced, but that's a rant for another thread.)

The story? Completely impossible within game rules, but still awesome. :thumbsup:

[I am Belch II]

I want minis off all the Aerospace and Warships in that book. Like the Molniya seems like a nice rounded ship....no armor is a issue.


THe Omni Spad, and Gotha were nice upgrades.

[Sartris]

didn't see any of the improved autocannons. must have been a warmup project for clan scientists on their way to LBs and UACs that saw very little use.

[Empyrus]

didn't see any of the improved autocannons. must have been a warmup project for clan scientists on their way to LBs and UACs that saw very little use.

My thoughts exactly. Mildly disappointing, but makes very much sense since UACs and LB-Xs are pretty much superior to standard autocannons in absence of specialty munitions. The only ones that existed during the Early Clan era are flak and tracer, i think.

[Colt Ward]

So . . . what is Janella Lakewood talking about with Shofar?  Calling it a colossal failure with the Drac & Cappie invasion.

While it was nice to see the Improved series of weapons, I would also have liked to see the Prototype SSRMs.  I think this books gives us some great insights back into how the Clans developed and the development of the stereotypes- like the Jaguars short sighted aggression.

Its nice to see more of the old Omnis in production- it make sense when the Foxes are selling gear, its not as revolutionary as the Savage Wolf which means it should sell better since it can be maintained by more folks.  I am curious about why the Falcons are still around after they sent headhunters to Alshain in 3149 . . . or why the Wolves are worried about Malvina's numbers since she spends troops like a private does dollars at a strip club on payday.

Woodsman- well, there is the crappy Timber Wolf B config, but on the slower machine its a bit more acceptable.  Wish we had gotten a SC config lol.

Sun Bear- the Stooping Hawk Prime but with a UAC/20 instead of 10?  Yes.  I think that is one of my favorite entries for world building.

Storm Giant 2 sounds better than the 1, but having LRMs & UAC/20 on the same design is interesting.  I will be bringing that mech onto the battlefield.

The Coyote's War Dog variant . . . yeah, that thing should be a monster on the battlefield just adding to the power of secondline forces.

And a record sheet for a improve Devastator!  Lol, THAT will be fun since the Enhanced ERPPCs can still take a head off.  The Emperor EC works too . . . did I miss somewhere the Foxes might have put them back into production?

[Dragon Cat]

I think the wolf worry about numbers is based on the savagery of their opponent and willingness to break rules

[Wrangler]

Thanks. I wasn't planning on pitching for it until the writer-wrangler suggested it and, well, it took off..

Whaaaat. There another Wrangler???  :o

J/K

[I am Belch II]

Just a question on the Aerospace BV. I was trying to put the new units in Heavy Metal Aero ( I know out of date) but when I put the fighter in the BV was lower and then putting (double heat sinks) in the fighter...the BV was closer to correct...a couple of points off.
Is it because of BV2....for Aerospace or are the Saber, Goth, and others supposed to have Double??

[Decoy]

BV2. It's been noted that the early clan tech fighters were not supposed to have doubles.

[gyedid]

I have to say that I was really disappointed by the amount of recycled art. Several of the "C" variants in particular--especially the Spartan C--are sufficiently different from their SLDF antecedents that art conveying the new appearance would've been justified.

Mostly I feel like I just got it for completeness...except it's not complete, because the Wakiazashi isn't in there.

cheers,

Gabe

[Wrangler]

I still the Wakiazashi was not included so give some exclusiveness to the Era Digest Golden Century.  I'm bit of a completest, so i rather had seen it included with TRO:CG.

Maybe i will make my own private one, but it is what it is.   

Century was great jem to come out.  Though i thought there could have been more included with it. Like additional combat vehicles, but i guess they had limited room. There were alot more mentioned in TRO:3060 is I'm not mistaken.  Golden Century at it's heart of the revival of those assets came from breaking away from being depended on aging SLDF assets.

[gyedid]

I still the Wakiazashi was not included so give some exclusiveness to the Era Digest Golden Century.  I'm bit of a completest, so i rather had seen it included with TRO:CG.

Umm...there was supposed to be a strikethrough through that "i"  ;) But whatever.  I too would've rather seen the Wakazashi (since it's spelled that way in the publication) in TRO:GC since all the other 1st-gen Omnis are there.

Another specific gripe:  the Sun Bear (a.k.a. "Prototype A") really should've looked different from the Stooping Hawk.  More featureless and boxy, befitting its prototype status.

cheers,

Gabe

EDIT:  I had forgotten the Waki was not an Omni.

[I am Belch II]

BV2. It's been noted that the early clan tech fighters were not supposed to have doubles.

Thanks that what I figured