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Guardian11 · « **Reply #990 on:** 03 July 2020, 23:03:07 »

The Sojourner C kind of strikes me as a budget Timber Wolf H. Also, considering the Sojourner has a Standard engine, max armor for its weight and CASE II anywhere it carries anything volatile it seems like the Sojourner's primary emphasis is on survivability. So it maybe that the volatility of the Improved HLL was considered undesirable, especially since the AES compensates for the inaccuracy of the standard HLL.

Shattered Fortress mentions that the WiE retreated to Donegal after the fall of Arc Royal, and considering that FM3145 makes it clear that the "writing was on the wall" concerning the possibility of an overwhelming attack against Arc Royal, it makes a lot of sense that they would establish a fallback position like Donegal, in the case they couldn't hold Arc Royal. The only surprising thing is that they have a significant, seemingly well-established, Omnimech factory on Donegal producing Linebackers. Either the WiE and Lyrans were able to establish a multi-line factory in a few years time, or the WiE have gotten very good at taking down, moving, and setting up mobile factories in their time in the IS.

GreekFire · « **Reply #991 on:** 03 July 2020, 23:26:47 »

Quote from: Guardian11 on 03 July 2020, 23:03:07

The only surprising thing is that they have a significant, seemingly well-established, Omnimech factory on Donegal producing Linebackers. Either the WiE and Lyrans were able to establish a multi-line factory in a few years time, or the WiE have gotten very good at taking down, moving, and setting up mobile factories in their time in the IS.

Assault Tech Industries, the "company" producing the Sojourner, was set up in the 3120s as a joint Commonwealth/WiE project to help Clan WiE compete against Clan Sea Fox on the open market. Looks like the line was expanded afterwards.

The 'Mech itself is interesting in that it uses a super prolific spheroid engine. Pitban 240s are as common as dirt, and the fact that the Neil 6000 is as equally venerable and widely use would make Sojourner production a heck of a lot cheaper than if it used rarer components.

Also..."Intended to ease young MechWarriors into the subtleties of ’Mech combat, the Sojourner keeps its payloads simple." Guess we know what the kiddos mentioned in FM:3145 are piloting for their Trial of Positions.

Wrangler · « **Reply #992 on:** 03 July 2020, 23:36:44 »

I like funny the name of the Assault Tech, since it sounds like the fan made video game from maybe decade ago, Assault Tech 1?

Guardian11 · « **Reply #993 on:** 04 July 2020, 12:08:54 »

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Also..."Intended to ease young MechWarriors into the subtleties of ’Mech combat, the Sojourner keeps its payloads simple." Guess we know what the kiddos mentioned in FM:3145 are piloting for their Trial of Positions.

The notable pilot is a ristar among those kiddos, that plus the emphasis on survivability, reliability, and simplicity seems to be geared toward ensuring the Mech brings as many of it young pilots home as possible.

The commonly available components also would speed construction by eliminating a lot of production bottlenecks, as well as, easing maintenance and repair. The Sojourner would actually be one of the best Clan Omnimechs for a money conscious Spheroid to purchase. Certainly more cost effective in the long-run than a lot of the Foxes' current designs.

SteveRestless · « **Reply #994 on:** 04 July 2020, 17:17:40 »

The Endosteel it uses, Interestingly enough is the same Endo Steel Process as the linebacker and the Savage Wolf.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #995 on:** 04 July 2020, 19:50:10 »

Well, apparently Donegal has a Warden Linebacker line . . . have to wonder when it got established.

wantec · « **Reply #996 on:** 04 July 2020, 22:26:12 »

I think that design intent is a key here for the Sojourner, simplify & group weapons. The AES in the RA gives a TC-like -1 for all attacks. The remaining weapons (with the exception of the Prime's ERLL and the C's LRMs) are there as backup.

I think it does its intended roles well. I'd like to go more in depth on how I'd use them and such, but I think I'll wait a bit

Colt Ward · « **Reply #997 on:** 04 July 2020, 22:42:37 »

I rolled up a random Falcon force to try the scenario from the TRO- ended up with Shrike, Gyrfalcon, Sentinel, Jade Hawk and something else along with 10 or so hovertanks. The Falcons had a bit under 20k BV while the Warden Wolf star had 12.5k, before pilots . . . and I think I will keep with what we have seen historical where the Wolves are better mechwarriors- Falcons are Clan regulars, Wolves are Clan vets and Falcon hovertanks are Clan greens- w/o penalties. Basing the skills on the Wolves being on the offensive against a garrison force, no zell of course.

Weird enough for me, I think I actually like the D most- usually I am a ERLL guy, but the ERPPC/UAC10 combo is appealing.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #998 on:** 05 July 2020, 02:06:18 »

5 veteran Sojourner Primes vs

Shrike (2/3), Stormcrow A (4/4), Sentinel 3L, Gyrfalcon, Jade Hawk 2
and
Shamash, 2 Hadur, Zephyr (Royal), 3 Lightning, Saladin (Ultra), Shamash (Int)

23516 vs 22525 (Falcon)

To help offset the lopsided init (5 vs 15), vehicles are moving as a lance which makes it 5 vs 8 for movement.

First blood to the Wolves, ERLL to the Shrike's CT at 25 hexes . . . needed 11, rolled 11.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #999 on:** 05 July 2020, 02:12:28 »

First kill too-

Weapons fire for Sojourner Prime #5 (Warden Wolves)
    Gauss Rifle at Lightning Attack Hovercraft (Standard) (Falcon Hovers); needs 7, rolls 12 : hits (using Left Side table) LS
        Lightning Attack Hovercraft (Standard) (Falcon Hovers) takes 15 damage to LS.
            1 Armor remaining.

    ER Large Laser at Lightning Attack Hovercraft (Standard) (Falcon Hovers); needs 8, rolls 9 : hits (using Left Side table) LS
        Lightning Attack Hovercraft (Standard) (Falcon Hovers) takes 10 damage to LS.
            Armor destroyed.
             SECTION DESTROYED.
*** Lightning Attack Hovercraft (Standard) (Falcon Hovers) DESTROYED by damage! ***
            Critical hit on LS. Roll is 8; Crew stunned for 1 turns.

SteveRestless · « **Reply #1000 on:** 05 July 2020, 11:44:30 »

Had one hell of a satisfying takedown in my Campaign For Terra game last night.

We've been making our way, west to east, across Australia.We're wrapping things up at Melbourne, or rather, just west of it. the 15th Assault's command trinary was engaging the command elements of the massed Republic defenders, and one of their two Superheavy Tripods, a fresh Posideon, challenged a Gargoyle Prime to a one on one duel. Ellis, pilot of the Gargoyle Prime accepted.

The Worst Gargoyle Config versus a superheavy juggernaut with a 45t advantage over it? Is Ellis suicidal? Does he wish to merge with the holy soil of Terra?

No.

Ellis is a particular sort of specialist. I have leveled him from a 3/4 replacement pilot, all the way up to 1/2, with cluster hitter, sandblaster, and Weap Specialty: LB 5-X AC.

The Gargoyle's Quirk is stabilized Arm Weapons, which lets the gargoyle run at the same difficulty to hit as a walk. Good for getting into SRM Range.

WS:LBX is -2 to hit.
Cluster Ammo is -1 to hit.
His SRM-6 Packs were loading Tandem Charge.
Called Shot is +3 to hit. So, Essentially, a free Called Shot to the Punch Chart, with a decent guarantee that 8-10 LBX pellets will be hitting.

Between the crits from the SRM-6 Packs, and the buckshot to the face, the Posideon made 3 Pilot consciousness checks that first turn, for all three pilots. Everyone decided, eventually, that it was nap time. Three Legs isn't as good as four, and boom goes the Posideon, inflicting a 4th pilot hit to the pilots. Sleep Well, Republic Freebirths. 10 to wake was more than the pilots could muster.

I can't repeat here what my OpFor player called me after that :D

Wrangler · « **Reply #1001 on:** 05 July 2020, 19:59:10 »

Tandem Charge? I did think the Clans used those!

SteveRestless · « **Reply #1002 on:** 05 July 2020, 20:23:52 »

I am pretty sure that by 3150, everyone uses everything they can get their hands on. And given that the Wolf Empire has consumed large swaths of Lyran, Free Worlds, and Republic Territories, including Solaris VII, and they have Clan Sea Fox supplying them, I do not think there are many technologies they do not have any access to.

That said, my non-canon galaxy HAS fought several trials of grievance against hardliners in the clan who feel we are too liberal with our use of special munitions.

Regardless the technique described relies more on the LBXes and the SRMs just synergize well with it.

ShadowSwordmaster · « **Reply #1003 on:** 07 July 2020, 00:31:29 »

For me, the Wolf Empire can get almost anything, but it depends if they want to use them.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #1004 on:** 07 July 2020, 23:30:46 »

It was a brutal fight (that unfortunately had no lava and the external heat is somewhere else in latest versions) . . . and yeah, it turned when the Shrike taking point ate one too many Gauss slugs . . . LA gone, LT gone, RT down to 4 IS, CT armor gone, partial wing damaged, and spikes to 41 heat- shuts down but avoid the ammo explosion . . . which causes Star Captain Jessica Helmer to fall. The Sentinel jammed its Ultra which forced it to close- the Hadurs did well with 0 turn A4, causing splash as long as they lasted. The Saladin got in 4 hits- two on a downed Sojourner (#4), and a shot into each legs on another one it ran up on before that same Sojourner (#2) kicked in the side. The Jade Hawk took a ERLL to the head as well as gauss to the arms that nearly took them off and fell after that damage. Lightning and Hadur (Gauss & Plasma FR) also died among the vehicles as the Falcons started to retreat.

The Wolves had moderate damage on two Sojourners with another pair almost untouched . . . the one that fell managed to take the brunt of attacks from the Stormcrow A, Shrike, Gyrfalcon, ATMs from the Jade Hawk, Zibbler's HPPC, and Saladin double tap. Gauss Rifle blew up (2 pilot hits), took a knock to the noggin, and fell . . . in a sign of vindictiveness, the Falcon mechs poured all their fire on the fallen (and sleeping) Wolf mechwarrior while the vehicles tried to screen and separate the remaining Sojourners. The Sojourner kept taking damage until the engine was totally destroyed before the last ATMs blew the scraps across the desert landscape (it had 1 IS left in the CT).

The Sentinel took a Gauss slug to the RT that capitalized on previous damage, punching through to smash SSRM rounds which blew the medium mech apart. Star Captain Jessica Helmer's Shrike too another Gauss slug . . . to the CT which damaged the gyro, the assault mech fell which broke the remains of the chassis into two slagged parts with the heat of plasma blasts to the remains causing heat ripples in the air. The Jade Hawk fell once again after taking a pair of Gauss slugs to the torso. The Star Commander who was in charge of the ad hoc force after Helmer fell followed his commander, the Stormcrow A took another hit to the leg, the Gauss slug crushing the hip actuator before lodging in the upper leg musculature. A second badly damaged Sojourner (#2) finished off the left torso which would cause heat problems a Plasma Cannon strike exacerbated with a fall. While badly overheated (+21) the Falcon omni avoided shut down or any ammo explosions before the mechwarrior abandoned his machine.

The Falcons retreated from the battle with the Gyrfalcon and a half dozen vehicles to them with a Lightning that was trailing picked off as they ran.

Conclusions-

So . . . they are pretty tough, the one that went down was b/c its gauss rifle blew and it took a LOT of fire. Still lasted through the next turn as the Bot hit it with everything it could and the damaged chassis absorbed most of it.

A Star of Primes is pretty powerful, but with each having a 15 & 10 point hit, you need a A with the RAC/2 or C's LRM20s for crit seeking on the holes that get opened.

James Bedford · « **Reply #1005 on:** 08 July 2020, 11:32:58 »

Regarding spoilers from Shrapnel's "War and Rumors" Story.

What do you all think about the "OPERATION APPLESEED" reveal? Certainly changes most of Anastasia's Kerensky's actions in the Dark Age from bumbling idiot to Batman/Xanatos-Gambit level planning. I'm not sure I like it, but it does seem to have textual support from Wolf Hunters. I never understood before why Clan Warriors who left Kerensky would then willingly join other merc commands and do the whole cross-training thing.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #1006 on:** 08 July 2020, 12:16:10 »

It is also supported in that Yulri, who she took as a bondsmen and returned to warrior status, was one of those who were cast out. You also have to factor in that she got rid of some dead weight, because we have the whole bit with Xera who went merc after trying to be the 'real Steel Wolves' with mechwarrior commander that was shown to be a arse.

Decoy · « **Reply #1007 on:** 08 July 2020, 14:17:11 »

It's been hinted that she's Phelan's daughter....and Morgan Kell's granddaughter if that's true. That would be very similar to what Morgan Kell did after Mallory's World. Granted her "Deny this person nothing" moment wasn't as awesome as Morgan's was.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #1008 on:** 08 July 2020, 14:58:53 »

Yeah, it was hint/speculation that Anastasia was a mix of Natasha & Phelan's genes- heck even if she was a mix of Ranna & Phelan again, she would still be Natasha's descendant (great-grand) but the blood tie was supposed to be closer by rumors.

I never thought of the Exarch's note linking to Kell (recent Kell Hounds story had the best 'deny' moment IMO), but yeah sending Steel Wolves out to 'grow' her future forces is a link to a Kell background . . . and IMO the only reason a Clan warrior would know of that degree of planning was if they had a personal interest- like a ancestor.

Guardian11 · « **Reply #1009 on:** 08 July 2020, 16:22:07 »

Operation Appleseed also mirrors in some ways the Wolf's Dragoons' approach to preparing the IS for the coming of the Clans. The cross-training aspect also seems to resemble some aspects of the Fidelis. It could be that the Steel Wolves faced the Fidelis on Terra, and Anastasia was impressed enough to incorporate what she could find out about Fidelis methods into her own plans.

The trajectory of Anastasia's life does mirror both Natasha's and Phelan's lives. Exiled after not fitting in, she goes out into the Inner Sphere as a mercenary to make a name for herself, she is eventually captured by Clan Wolf and made a Bondsman until she earns her place as a Warrior, and finding a home in Clan Wolf, she eventually becomes saKhan of Clan Wolf. I am partial to the theory that she's born of Natasha's and Focht's genes, though if she were the genedaughter of Phelan and Ranna I could get behind that. It would be kind of ironic if Victor and Focht's children teamed up like their fathers only to gain victory for the Clans rather than defeat them.

rebs · « **Reply #1010 on:** 08 July 2020, 16:40:59 »

My money's on Tassa K. being a direct descendant of Natasha Kerensky. It just fits.

But anything can happen.

I just hope the Wolves can keep the Falcons from being a scourge to Terra as they have been to other worlds.

Guardian11 · « **Reply #1011 on:** 08 July 2020, 18:40:21 »

It all depends on what Alaric and Anastasia have planned to counter Malvina's Warships and nukes. Alaric's plan on Tharkad was to not fight her at all, while keeping her away from the main continent. His plan on Hesperus seems to have been to fight her to a draw/not put her in a position where she felt nukes were her best option, and even that only worked because Beckett Malthus intervened with his assassination attempt. Neither of those plans is ideal in the case of Terra, though Alaric might try putting her in a position where someone in her ranks successfully finishes what Beckett Malthus started, which might be part of the role Noritomo Helmer is supposed to play. At least in terms of getting into contact with those Falcons who oppose Malvina and delivering a possible offer to them on behalf of Alaric.

SteveRestless · « **Reply #1012 on:** 08 July 2020, 19:18:11 »

I am... less than enthusiastic about certain aspects of Appleseed.

Seeding Warriors into mercenary units to seek out converts and harvest warriors is a fine goal, but the tactics demonstrated lean a bit too much towards strongarming the rest of the mercenary unit into being bondsmen. And what good even does that do, you don't put a bondsman in a cockpit... That it turns out okay for the Juggernauts does not put me at ease for the rest of the commands involved.

Wrangler · « **Reply #1013 on:** 08 July 2020, 22:19:16 »

Quote from: rebs on 08 July 2020, 16:40:59

My money's on Tassa K. being a direct descendant of Natasha Kerensky. It just fits.

Its been pretty clear that Tassa K IS Natasha Kerensky gen-daughter/descendant. She revealed that in one the old Dark Age Novels (Flight of the Falcon I think), when she pointed out she wore the red Hour-Glass, stating she was honoring her. She refused answer who her other gene-parent was. It was like she was embarrassed or it was dark secret.

Quote from: James Bedford on 08 July 2020, 11:32:58

Regarding spoilers from Shrapnel's "War and Rumors" Story.

What do you all think about the "OPERATION APPLESEED" reveal? Certainly changes most of Anastasia's Kerensky's actions in the Dark Age from bumbling idiot to Batman/Xanatos-Gambit level planning. I'm not sure I like it, but it does seem to have textual support from Wolf Hunters.

Thing is that Anastasia been bounced around at least to four authors to write. I had complaints when the Dark Age novels revisited Anastasia. To way they were writing her character, her personality kept CHANGING and authors were not sticking with what she was suppose to be like from the previous story. [my opinion]

Lorne Coleman (1st author to handle her), Michael Stackpole, and Kevin Killany handled her the best keep her sharp and not too zany.

Kevin's handling in Wolf Hunters novel was properly the best since the first. Where she split off the Steel Wolves not unlike Morgan Kell, see how well they could do despite not being sure what would happen until after things calmed down. Shatter Fortress showed the Hunters being pulled into the Clan Wolf by now saKhan Anastasia Kerensky. She was likely going for the rest of them, since you saw something about that in the Shrapnel magazine story.

I like how she was first portrayed in the Call to Arms, when she was disguising her identity.

How she will be handled next, heavens only knows.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #1014 on:** 09 July 2020, 09:35:21 »

More authors than that I think-

Coleman- introduction on Achernar
Proving Grounds trilogy- near character assassination/wreck
Victor Milan/Flight of the Falcon- got first shot at recovery since Anastasia landed at Skye to fight the Falcons- 2 scenes IIRC
Coleman/Blood of the Isle- Skye Rnd 2, Sarna says but I am not sure and I do not have this one digital
Killany/Wolf Hunters
Stackpole/Masters of War- She captures and breaks Alaric
Mohan/Bonfire of Worlds

A plot hole with Anastasia's 'plan' is that the rest of the Wolf Hunter novel has her facing off some bitter Steel Wolves and then later we see ones like Verena who were also cast off without reason.

Hmm, Sarna says the Havoc P5 is mentioned in Wolf Hunters, now I am going to have to find the box that novel is located in to see if it gets any more details.

James Bedford · « **Reply #1015 on:** 09 July 2020, 10:08:12 »

Yeah, with regard to Anastasia's characterization, the best that can be said about her earlier characterization was that she was extremely impatient and doing whatever it took to get to her goal immediately, even if long-term it was self-destructive (Taking the Steel Wolves from Radick and launching them onto two extremely self-destructive campaigns to get to Terra, abandoning their holdings wholesale). That's how I'd like to write it at least in my planned fan fiction-rewrite of the Proving Grounds trilogy (But shortened to 45 chapters because that story did not need to be 3 novels).

Era Report 3145 I believe got a dig on the constant characterization jumping she was doing too.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #1016 on:** 09 July 2020, 10:11:52 »

I also forgot to mention, the medico she . . . (heck, are they friends or what? I mean he could have gotten free of her plenty of times over the years) . . has around in later novels was, IIRC, puzzled by her behavior at times in public. She once or twice acted weaker or nuts to the other Steel Wolves/others to provide misdirection when critically injured or vulnerable.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #1017 on:** 11 July 2020, 12:35:16 »

Per Shattered Fortress the Wolves requested around May 3148 for the Lyrans to take over garrison of two worlds reclaimed from the Falcons by the 1st Wolf Strike Grenadiers & Wolfspider Keshik. Apparently the 1st Strike Grenadiers were in such a state that they refit a whole star with Sojourners . . . though in the mech's fluff it also talked about older reassigned warriors from other castes testing back to be warriors- specifically the case of then 61 year old Cornelius.

Over the next several weeks, other Warden Wolf forces packed up and left their garrison placements . . . and while we do not have a list of Warden Wolf strength, we do not the 1st Legion was wiped out covering the Arc Royal withdraw on the ground. Assuming the Golden Keshik survived since it was only Patrik and his point that was said to be wiped out, the Wardens also have . . . Wolfspider Keshik and 1st Strike Grenadiers in good shape . . . Bronze pretty beat on . . . someone had to be guarding Donegal . . . and by the phrasing of the withdraw at least one other formation though likely more the way it was described- like Donegal +3? So consider it still 3 galaxies but most the units very understrength for the losses of the last 10 years- and the sibkos slaughtered hurt too. So effectively a single galaxy, maybe 1.5 with the re-assignment of lower caste former warriors and early sibko graduates. AFAIK we do not know the status of- 4th Wolf Guards, 13th Wolf Guards, 6th Wolf Guards (former Jag cluster), 2nd Strike Grenadiers, 2nd Wolf Legion, or the 4 garrison clusters from Omega. Arc Royal was defended by 2 other clusters than the 1st Wolf Legion, perhaps the Golden Keshik & Wolf Spider Keshik since both Khan & saKhan were on planet . . . though Keshiks do not match the full strength of a cluster usually they might in this case. Which leaves the Omega garrison clusters elsewhere like Donegal protecting the Lineback & other Omni lines on that planet. Or the garrison clusters were broken up during the constant Falcon attacks as replacements for the frontline clusters- 4th Wolf Guards, 1st Wolf Legion (destroyed), 1st Wolf Strike Grenadiers, 6th Wolf Guards, 13th Wolf Guards, 2nd Wolf Legion, 2nd Wolf Strike Grenadiers and 16th Wolf Guards Cluster.

This is around 6 months after the date on Calamity Kell's call for any Hounds to meet her Where It All Began that was sent out from the JFOZ by any HPG broadcasts. Which was in the same blurb about mystery raiders in the JFOZ- who were not Wolves. Her battalion got wore down but never linked up with the remains of Hounds military on Arc Royal or any of the other mercs who evac'd from the Falcon onslaught. If the Warden Wolves went to meet the Kell Hounds and Anastasia went to convince them to join up in a Dragoon's style deal . . . she might bring a overstrength galaxy (5+ clusters of Wardens, 1 BN/Cluster of Kell Hounds) to join what Alaric has on Terra. But would they get there in time with the way the Dragoon story ended?

Anastasia leaves New Earth in November 3150 while Marotta wraps up his mission with the Dragoons in mid December. The Dragoons were re-deploying with what they could get together during that time but some detachments further out were going to miss it . . . like maybe a Striker battalion or two that had been towards New Avalon. The Dragoons were going to fall in as their own galaxy- Gamma Regiment, Striker battalion (maybe 2), parts of Alpha and a Beta battalion. So the Dragoon Galaxy- Alpha Rgt Keshik and 5 cluster/battalions?

IF Anastasia, who was angry/unhappy in the Divided section we see her, was going after the Warden Wolves and Kell Hounds . . .

One thing I would note- under previous powers it seemed the Warden Wolves were going to follow the Nova Cats into the long night. Shattered Fortress and the Rec Guides are giving them a brighter future- in fact, its the Sojourner that caused me to look at it differently.

Guardian11 · « **Reply #1018 on:** 11 July 2020, 17:59:54 »

According to FM3145 The WiE had 9 Clusters organized into 3 Galaxies. FM3145 unfortunately makes no mention of the 4th, 6th, or 16th Wolf Guards; and counts the 3 Keshiks as Clusters. Unless the WiE were able to rebuild those Clusters unmentioned in FM3145 by the fall of Arc Royal, it's likely that the 3 Keshiks and 6 Clusters are all the WiE had as of Arc Royal's fall. With the loss of the 1st Wolf Legion on Arc Royal it seems the WiE are probably down to 3 Keshiks and 5 Clusters, all at least somewhat understrength. So after what rebuilding they were able to do on Donegal by 3148 they probably have about a Galaxy and a half in total strength. Below are the WiE forces and their locations according to FM3145.

ALPHA GALAXY on Arc Royal
Golden Keshik
1st Wolf Legion Cluster
1st Wolf Strike Grenadiers Cluster

BETA GALAXY
Wolf Spider Keshik on Grunwald
13th Wolf Guards Cluster on Grunwald
2nd Wolf Legion Cluster on New Exford

OMEGA GALAXY
Bronze Keshik on Lyndon
1st Wolf Guardians Cluster on Garrison
3rd Wolf Guardians Cluster on Surcin

Depending on "Where it all began" means determines just how hard it would be for the WiE and Kell Hounds to reach Terra in time. Though considering its a place Callandre Kell expected Julian Davion to be able to reach it might be closer to Terra than we think. It might even BE Terra, because if we really get down to it Terra IS the place where everything began for humanity. It could also be Galatea (where the Kell Hounds got their start), Tharkad (where Callandre and Julian first met), or extremely unlikely The Rock (where the Kell Hounds first encountered the Clans)

Colt Ward · « **Reply #1019 on:** 11 July 2020, 19:32:14 »

Those were the functional ones after the continuous pounding against the Falcons . . . but 3145 had no garrison on Donegal either and new material implies one. I was suggesting the Guardians clusters were being used to replace losses in the frontline clusters. Its unfortunate that the 4th and 16th Guards are not listed because those were original Wolf clusters back to the founding. The 4th Wolf Guards were the tip of the spear under Phelan, because they were Ranna's cluster . . . so if that had still been the case, I could have seen them being worn away to nearly nothing.

Its not going to be Galatea, that was just the formation . . .

I support the idea its wherever out in the periphery Morgan, Patrick, Arthur, and Katrina fled and found the black boxes. Easiest for Calamity to get to . . . and really, no telling what else might have been on that world . . . or what Morgan, Dan, Caitlin, Maria Allard, or Evan placed there for emergencies. Question really is . . . did the Warden Wolves leave the Linebacker & Sojourner lines behind?