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Talk to me about: Combat Engineering in BattleTech
« on: 26 April 2021, 09:56:42 »
Re-reading the Minsk MOTW article and the associated TRO entry says the Minsk 2 is a combat engineering specialist. To me this means mine clearing, mine laying, bridge laying, and demolishing fortifications. I don't want to get into a real world discussion, so does anyone else have any idea or suggestion for the equipment a good combat engineering 'Mech/vehicle would have?
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Re: Talk to me about: Combat Engineering in BattleTech
« Reply #1 on: 26 April 2021, 10:34:17 »
=== MODERATOR DIRECTIVE ===

As a precautionary warning, please note that this board is not the appropriate venue for fan-generated rules or variants.  While a discussion of the various equipment that combat engineering may use is entirely appropriate for Fan Rules, discussion of the best 'Mechs or vehicles to modify is not.

If this turns into a discussion of customs or proposed variants, this thread will get punted into Fan Rules and it will stay there.

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On a less moderative note, a few possibly-suitable IndustrialMechs and support vehicles appear in Technical Readout: Vehicle Annex, such as the UL-series Construction Vehicles or the CON-7 Carbine ConstructionMech.  I believe an armed variant of the ED-X4 Crosscut LoggerMech has turned up at some point as well.

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Re: Talk to me about: Combat Engineering in BattleTech
« Reply #2 on: 26 April 2021, 10:41:57 »
Quad mechs can have bridgelayers.  So I’d start there.  Add a backhoe, which any mech can have, for creating dug-in positions.  Mine dispensers and/or Thunder LRMs for creating minefields.  And Minesweepers and/or LRM tubes and appropriate ammo for detonating minefields.

In addition to your requirements, I’d add a big gun (Long Tom Cannon, TBolt-20, etc.) for blowing holes in enemy fortifications.

Maybe a life hoist or two for salvage/recovery duty, although that’s traditionally a separate mech or vehicle.

If it was a vehicle, I’d add an infantry bay for a combat engineer platoon or two.  Might go with a bulldozer over the backhoe if it was a vehicle, too.

Minsk 2 is ostensibly a support mech, but it’s not really a combat engineering platform.
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Re: Talk to me about: Combat Engineering in BattleTech
« Reply #3 on: 26 April 2021, 10:46:43 »
BattleTech does have pretty much all equipment and abilities needed for combat engineering. Rules for prepared positions or tank bunkers, i think. There's minesweepers, bridgelayers. Variety of special infantry. But there aren't too many canon units that make use of this equipment, or so it seems to me. Quick search in MUL came up with like only few units equipped with bridgelayers (rather faction restricted to boot).

I'd probably make sure a combat engineering unit has minesweepers (eg Scorpion tanks Minesweeper variant), maybe Fa Shih BA (or the Andurien IS Standard "Fa Sure" that's lacking stats at this moment unfortunately), few industrial 'Mechs of various but suitable types (not too familiar with these), bridgelayer vehicle or infantry, generic combat engineering vehicles, some kind of combat engineer infantry. Perhaps a Firestarter 'Mech, and/or some OmniMechs to be configured as needed. And, of course, transport vehicles.

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Re: Talk to me about: Combat Engineering in BattleTech
« Reply #4 on: 26 April 2021, 10:56:15 »
APCs for various combat engineers (from TO p. 341).

Bridging: vehicles w/ bridgelayers, bridgebuilding engineers
Entrenchments: vehicles w/ backhoes, trench/fieldworks engineers
Clearing rubble: vehicles w/ bulldozer blade
Clearing woods: vehicles/'mechs with LRMs (incendiary), chainsaws, dual saws, flamers
Demolition: vehicles/'mechs w/ heavy weapons, and various industrial equipment like wrecking balls, rock cutters dual saws, demolition engineers
Minelaying: vehicles/'mechs with mine dispensers and LRMs (Thunder), minelaying infantry (TRO3085)
Minesweeping: vehicles with minesweepers, vehicles/'mechs with LRMs (mine clearance)
Vehicles w/ sprayers/fluid guns and tanks for various liquids (oil slicks, water for firefighting
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Re: Talk to me about: Combat Engineering in BattleTech
« Reply #5 on: 26 April 2021, 13:33:24 »
If you don't have access to specialized gear, you can perform several combat engineering duties with far more common weapons.

Minelaying can be performed by any LRM rack or artillery piece.

Minesweeping can be performed by any artillery piece, as well as most large missile racks, even without using Mine Clearance Missiles.

Any weapon capable of dealing damage can bring down a structure given enough time, but most players are concerned with doing the job quickly, so big damage is the order of the day. AE weapons can do the job very quickly, but hazardous if you care about preserving buildings next to your target. Big MRMs are actually a pretty good way to reduce a building quickly and cheaply, especially since the immobile nature of most buildings nicely offsets their to-hit penalties.

Digging holes can be accomplished in the same way as collapsing buildings, though the sheer damage required means you really want the multiplier AE brings. A few well-placed Long Tom shells are the key to transforming a sheer cliff side into a rough but traversible slope.

Any missile rack loaded with frag missiles can be effective at clearing trees, but like all of the above, more/bigger is better. A JES I is actually a pretty decent weedeater.

Looking at all of the above, there's a reason why when designing my SLDF Combat Engineers infantry company, I attached a pair of LRM Carriers to those platoons. :thumbsup:
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Re: Talk to me about: Combat Engineering in BattleTech
« Reply #6 on: 28 April 2021, 10:26:34 »
I believe there is discussion of combat engineering vehicles in TRO 3026. The AC/20 was mentioned if I recall correctly....
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Re: Talk to me about: Combat Engineering in BattleTech
« Reply #7 on: 28 April 2021, 16:45:05 »
(eg Scorpion tanks Minesweeper variant)
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Re: Talk to me about: Combat Engineering in BattleTech
« Reply #8 on: 28 April 2021, 17:53:23 »
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Re: Talk to me about: Combat Engineering in BattleTech
« Reply #9 on: 29 April 2021, 07:22:00 »
Thanks everyone.
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