Star Trek Discovery

[Maingunnery]

Is there something special about this guy?

He is said to have sources and he is quite well known in the YT media review community.
Also the gimmick is quite hilarious.

[I am Belch II]

Some people have a fanitical devotion to the show, some hate it with a passion. I guess it is like things I things in the world, there is no middle anymore

[BirdofPrey]

I just don't understand the hold back of the Connie's and the other ships of the class. I dont think all of them were out on their mission during the time of the war. You have a enemy that is kicking your butt all the way back to the core and wipe you off of it, and you don't want to use your best ships to defend it. I know the Connie's are above and beyond anything the Feds had up to that point, and could change the war for the better and you keep them behind and away. IMO the Discovery and the Spore drive and the ability to jump from one side of the universe to the other is the biggest asset the Feds had, and should of used it better but Lorca had something to do with that.
Sometimes the people that run Starfleet do some of the dumbest tactical moves to the level of First Order in Episode 7 and 8 of Star Wars. I know its for plot and story telling.

I mean, this is the same Starfleet has sent multiple Enterprises in various states of disrepair on dangerous missions for being the only ship in the sector despite proximity to a starbase.
Not that it excuses some dubious explanations for Discovery related stuff, but there's always been plenty of stupidity to go around in Star Trek.

[Lorcan Nagle]

Some people have a fanitical devotion to the show, some hate it with a passion. I guess it is like things I things in the world, there is no middle anymore

I think most people who watch the show either like or don't mind it, they just don't have strongly held opinions and as such don't post loads about it online.

[Wrangler]

As far the dumb things Starfleet is doing at the mercy of different writers. Thing is old TOS was written people who may been exposed to War like Gene who was pilot during WW2.

The people who were writing the DISCO are like not.  Frankly to stay consistant with anything you want have only one or two main writers or show runners who knows what kind tale their telling.  The head people are gone now. Now season two seems more like own series writing wise than last one.

That my opinion.

[HobbesHurlbut]

I think most people who watch the show either like or don't mind it, they just don't have strongly held opinions and as such don't post loads about it online.

https://fanfilmfactor.com/2018/07/23/a-funny-thing-happened-to-star-trek-discovery-editorial/
I don't know about you but when Discovery is trying to copy some of what seem to make Orville more successful than DISCO(detailed by that editorial), I wonder if it's because they're getting fewer views compared to Orville (a million more per Orville episode according to the author).

[Lorcan Nagle]

https://fanfilmfactor.com/2018/07/23/a-funny-thing-happened-to-star-trek-discovery-editorial/
I don't know about you but when Discovery is trying to copy some of what seem to make Orville more successful than DISCO(detailed by that editorial), I wonder if it's because they're getting fewer views compared to Orville (a million more per Orville episode according to the author).

But that's based entirely on speculation from the trailer, and a piece of data which might not even be true.  And has nothing to do with the point I was making - which is that most people who watch DISCO don't care enough to comment about it one way or another.

But let's talk about that "only 250k" thing for a second.  And let's tie it into some numbers that are publicly available.  The original Twin Peaks was a major hit back in the day, it rated 20 million viewers a week when it began, which dwindled down to around 200,000 when it was cancelled.  Twin Peaks: The Return was considered a ratings success by Showtime, and guess how many viewers it got?  Around 200,000 per episode. 

The metrics for TV have changed, especially where streaming is concerned. First time viewing is far less relevant when a new episode of a show is repeated a few times in the week after it airs, and there's streaming and a far more integrated home video release.  Netflix' great success is in creating a library of shows and movies that you can only get there, and you can watch them at any time.  CBS are trying to do the same thing right now by expanding their Star Trek library and The Good Fight and whatever comes next.  It's less important that everyone watches DISCO the day it's uploaded, and more important that the people who subscribe to watch Star Trek stick around.

[Kit deSummersville]

Some people have a fanitical devotion to the show, some hate it with a passion. I guess it is like things I things in the world, there is no middle anymore

Sure there is!

[ANS Kamas P81]

Sure there is!

You're not the boss of me now!

[hoosierhick]

https://fanfilmfactor.com/2018/07/23/a-funny-thing-happened-to-star-trek-discovery-editorial/
I don't know about you but when Discovery is trying to copy some of what seem to make Orville more successful than DISCO(detailed by that editorial), I wonder if it's because they're getting fewer views compared to Orville (a million more per Orville episode according to the author).

Now that's an interesting article.  One evening a couple of weeks ago I had the TV on while I was doing something on the computer with my back to the TV .  A trailer came on that I assumed from the audio was for the upcoming episode of The Orville.  I was very surprised when I turned around and saw it was for Discovery.  It may have been the same trailer that's being talked about at that link.  I'm not saying Discovery is trying to be more like The Orville, but it does sound like they're trying to lighten things up a bit. 

[Tymers Realm]

I would so love it if Tilly turned out to be a Section 31 agent and the whole chatterbox thing is just an act--with a real personality a lot closer to the Mirror Universe version that murdered her way to command of Discovery.

cheers,

Gabe

Oh trust me, "Killy" seems to be interesting.
Just played through the new eps in STO that feature her. She's twisted in a Terran Empire/Mirror Universe way.
The STO Devs even added a slight bit of added dialogue specific to ST: D rolled Characters that she killed the player's Mirror Uni version early on in her career. Very cold...

[Maingunnery]

As far the dumb things Starfleet is doing at the mercy of different writers. Thing is old TOS was written people who may been exposed to War like Gene who was pilot during WW2.

That is a general problem with media these days.

[I am Belch II]

I liked the last epsisode. It was the most Star Trek episode of Discovery and it was good to see. Hope they can do more of that.

[Blackhorse 6]

Gorn?

Lol... good answer... I was thinking Cardassian but, your answer is better.   :)

[Tymers Realm]

So...

Apparently in an effort to promote CBS All-Access, they decided to put STD S2, ep 1 up for viewing on YouTube.

Couple quick takeaways:
I thought Tilly was annoying in the STO STD tutorial. Gawd I hate her now. In so much I think I prefer her Mirror Version better...
I always had a problem of Burnham being a step-sibling to Spock. At least daddy admitted it was a mistake.
For the most part, I actually liked the "B" part of the ep (the rescuing of those left of the frigate) and was handled well enough.

Otherwise, yea, I don't think I'd watch STD if offered.
What I found funny is, at the time I viewed it, there were 2.5K likes and 2K dislikes. And that didn't surprise me in the least.

[Daryk]

Is Michelle Yeoh in that episode?

[Tymers Realm]

Not properly.
Both versions oh the character were featured in the S1 recap and S2 upcoming teaser.

[Daryk]

Rog... I'm only interested as far as her appearances on screen.  As I said very early in this thread, I use her image for a JumpShip Captain.

[ANS Kamas P81]

Rumor mill is suggesting that Disco is dead; the guy playing Pike is hinting at his time on the show being quite past tense...and supposedly the show is costing around 150 million for season 2 alone.  Again, supposedly, Bad Robot is paying for yet more reshoots...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDHvmfqT25c

He does say that his sources say "no decision" yet, and that could just mean "Pike's been written off the show" but it's still some surprising rumors.  And I checked, S2E1 of Discovery is indeed on youtube.

Huh.

[ThePW]

It's there... and I still have NO desire to watch it. I have watched everything else when it was aired or shown in movie theaters. I have no desire to watch what they offer now, however.

[Wrangler]

Eesh, talk about over budgeting themselves into cancellationville.

Did they just write Pike out of the script on purposed or the actor had issue?

[ANS Kamas P81]

Unknown re: Pike, I'm only going off the tweets shown in the video.  It is kinda worrisome, and I'm bummed about the rumors over "No one else from TNG in the Picard show" because we all know Michael Dorn's been itching to get that forehead back on.

[Øystein]

I think it can also be considered that the actor for Pike is feeding the trolls for pure amusement. His messages can easily be read that way.

Considering the passive-agressive tendencies some trekkies have towards the show I would do that in an instance if I was one of the actor on the show. :D

[Maingunnery]

It is kinda worrisome, and I'm bummed about the rumors over "No one else from TNG in the Picard show" because we all know Michael Dorn's been itching to get that forehead back on.

The Picard show is still in development, its setup might still be changed, especially if there is a corporate restructuring (CBS-Paramount).

[Øystein]

Another point to consider is that Pike was probably never intended to be a permanent character on the show - in all likeliness his mission (investigating the red star thingiebobs) was finished and he returned to the Enterprise.

Considering how many of you have been crying and bitching about him even being a second on the Disovery, maybe you get your wish and he transfers back.

[Øystein]

And the show runners are certainly saying they are planning season 3:

https://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/star-trek-discovery/278955/star-trek-discovery-season-3-already-being-discussed

[ANS Kamas P81]

Might be good news, and frankly I hope Discovery succeeds anyway - it's like the Kelvin timeline; it's the only Trek that's being made, so we might as well support it so that future Trek ideas don't get tossed aside as not worth the money.

[Øystein]

So the latest episode explains a couple of things:

The lack of a unison klingon fleet, design on the classic TOS designs (D7 etc) only came about after reunification.
The lack of hair was due it being shaven off during the war as a sign of them being at war.

Of course, both can be considered cop-out excuse to please the critics. But at least they are providing explainations to the changes.

Also great to see Georgiou again :D If that is any hint at how her show will be, bring it! :D

[Weirdo]

So the latest episode explains a couple of things:

The lack of a unison klingon fleet, design on the classic TOS designs (D7 etc) only came about after reunification.

It's definitely a cop-out, but as far as cop-out explanations go, it's not bad. I've seen worse in Battletech. Still not happy about the bit that explicitly identifies one of those ships as a D7, though. Were the Klingons and Klingon ships seen in season 1 from a faction not affiliated with the homeworld(and presumably the Empire's main yards)?

[Øystein]

It's definitely a cop-out, but as far as cop-out explanations go, it's not bad. I've seen worse in Battletech. Still not happy about the bit that explicitly identifies one of those ships as a D7, though. Were the Klingons and Klingon ships seen in season 1 from a faction not affiliated with the homeworld(and presumably the Empire's main yards)?

As I understand the explaination it is that before the end of the war, each house did their own things and created their own ships privately. Once the Empire got established (or is it re-established? No up to date on my anicent klink lore) they started created new designs (probably with experiences from the war in mind) which would form the core of a new Klingon navy. A standardised design/fleet makes maintenance and upkeep much easier. So it's logical from that point of view.

Before season 1: 24 seperate houses all creating their own ships with little or no cooperation.
After season 1: 1 unified Empire with a central ship design office.