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Alan Grant

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Tell me about..the Lightning ASF
« on: 05 June 2018, 06:31:05 »
I'm not that familiar with the Lightning ASF at all. I basically understand the original, though I've never used it.

I'm mostly interested in learning more about the LTN-61GD (EDITED TYPO: G16D). I don't have the record sheet on that particular bird but I've stumbled into owning a couple of them in a game I'm part of. All I have on it is Sarna's entry and the little notation on it about its variants in TRO 3075.

The double RAC-5s in the nose is interesting. My gut is telling me that it probably doesn't have enough ammo to really sustain their use. But again I don't have the record sheet so I really don't know.
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Re: Tell me about..the Lightning ASF
« Reply #1 on: 05 June 2018, 09:10:29 »
Assuming you mean the -G16D, those are actually RAC/2s, not 5s.

Interesting bird, I'd never looked closely at it before. With your guns only reaching out to medium range at best, this is pretty clearly meant to be a ground attack bird. You can fight other aircraft, though unless you have a buddy to provide covering fire or to look scary and draw fire away, you'll have issues against anything that outrange you. Oddly enough, your heat sinks are those of a dogfighter, with your nose and one wing only putting you at 2 heat. You'll have to be careful during ground strikes. The temptation may be to spike your heat and then spend a turn to circle around and cool down, but don't forget that the really nasty part of the aero heat scale starts at 5, and given the era this bird came out, ground-to-air plasma fire is a thing.

That being said, this can still put a healthy amount of hurt into a ground target. You'll want to go for the backs of any heavily armored mechs, as you're not going to punch through any solid plating, but you can backstab just fine, and same goes for crit-seeking damaged mechs, acting as a vulture to finish things off while your mechs find new targets. As with anything with one or more cluster weapons, sides of tanks are going to be fun to hit.  Using your lasers to start things off and then finishing with the RAC should actually make this aircraft fairly nasty against battle armor as well. It'd be a lasers-only attack, but if you can find a clump of BA with no larger units around, it would be one of the only times when strafing would be a non-suicidal idea.

Fuel is respectable and pretty standard, and 135 rounds for two RACs is more than enough, especially given how loud and short most fighter lifespans often are. If you can actually burn through all that ammo in a single sortie, it means you're flying a perfect game, and nobody's gotten a single shot off at you in return. Speaking of which, don't try to brave heavy return fire. Your armor can't really take it. Your nose is just fine for a fighter this size, but your wings and tail are scary thin. Unless your opponent is trying to plink you to death, any hits there are extremely likely to generate threshold crits. Get in, do a small handful of passes, then go home before your wings fall off. It's a shame, really. If the wings were tougher, it'd be viable to land this thing and use it as a powerful(if slow) medium tank. You think hiding a tank in a parking garage is funny, try doing it with a starfighter.  Bring a camera, because when you fire from ambush, back out into the street behind you, and then fly away, the look on your opponent's face is one you'll want to remember for a long time. :)
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Re: Tell me about..the Lightning ASF
« Reply #2 on: 05 June 2018, 09:23:27 »
I'd echo Weirdo- it's a Stuka. Not the 100-ton fighter, obviously, but in role. It's a ground-attack bird, pure and simple, because that's what it does best. If you use it as a dogfighter, you're gonna have a tough day most likely (although it's probably not bad at opening a Dropship up). Give it a little underwing ordnance, turn it loose on advancing ground forces, and life is going to be really interesting.
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Re: Tell me about..the Lightning ASF
« Reply #3 on: 05 June 2018, 09:41:11 »
I'd go for Arrows under the wings by preference, either flavor. Less raw damage than actual books, but that wing armor really concerns me given how expensive this fighter is by any metric, so I'd want to get the job done in as few passes as possible. Arrows mean you can drop early and follow them in, so you can hit the battlefield with both your external and internal ordnance in the same turn.

Alex, you say you've gotten ahold of two of these? Load unguided Arrows on both. When the time comes to fire, pick a part of the map where you think the other guy is going to have loose BA or other light units, and fire all four missiles at the center hex of that area. If you guessed right, even with misses and drifts, you're going to deal a lot of hurt. At the same time, put both birds on something nice and slow and lay into it. Bonus points if you can knock it down just in time for a friendly mech or three to give it full-body kicks. :)
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Re: Tell me about..the Lightning ASF
« Reply #4 on: 05 June 2018, 12:38:56 »
Yeah I got the 6 and G wrong. The RAC/5s reference I got from Sarna.

Thanks for the quick and detailed analysis. I really appreciate it.

I'm gonna have to figure out what to do with these two birds. The force I'm operating is primarily a small space fleet oriented mercenary unit. I've got a Lung Wang P2 and an Aurora and some fighters and marines. The plan is to keep expanding in the space fleet direction by getting more small attack dropships to form a flotilla or squadron of them, with some aero/marine support. Ground support is a secondary role.

Yet with 2 Troikas (the one with the 4 ton infantry compartment), 2 Defiances and 2 Poignards....plus now these two Lightnings, it seems I've nearly built a solid ground support fighter force, mostly by accident (got most of them as game salvage).

But at least now I better understand what I've been given. So thanks!

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Re: Tell me about..the Lightning ASF
« Reply #5 on: 05 June 2018, 14:24:43 »
For space combat, I would run these as a counter-interceptor. Fly them a fair distance ahead of your big Dropper-Chopper fighters, so that fast interceptors trying to stop them must either pass close to your Lightnings on the way to their targets, or fly far enough around that they may not make it in time.

Alternatively, put the Lightnings about medium range behind your big planes, on the idea that a light interceptor that gets caught in front of an attack beast is pretty much dead, so they'll try to attack from the sides or rear, where you can hit them. This has the added benefit of putting your Lightnings in a second attack wave, where they can crit seek through any holes the big fighters open up in enemy DropShips.
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Re: Tell me about..the Lightning ASF
« Reply #6 on: 05 June 2018, 15:02:21 »
That makes sense, I like it. Thank you!

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Re: Tell me about..the Lightning ASF
« Reply #7 on: 05 June 2018, 15:20:45 »
In that light, it really is a flying Hunchback- avoid the bubble or pay the cost.
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Re: Tell me about..the Lightning ASF
« Reply #8 on: 07 June 2018, 08:38:29 »
I'd go for Arrows under the wings by preference, either flavor. Less raw damage than actual books, but that wing armor really concerns me given how expensive this fighter is by any metric, so I'd want to get the job done in as few passes as possible. Arrows mean you can drop early and follow them in, so you can hit the battlefield with both your external and internal ordnance in the same turn.
i know "information is ammunition" but now i'm wondering how big the encyclopedia set is if it can outperform Arrow-IV damage wise..

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Re: Tell me about..the Lightning ASF
« Reply #9 on: 08 June 2018, 05:02:48 »
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Re: Tell me about..the Lightning ASF
« Reply #10 on: 08 June 2018, 06:27:20 »
Yeah I got the 6 and G wrong. The RAC/5s reference I got from Sarna.

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