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Do you use enhanced flamers in your games?

Yes.
34 (79.1%)
No.
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Voting closed: 14 January 2020, 09:31:33

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Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« on: 07 January 2020, 09:31:33 »
Pretty simple question: Do you use the optional Enhanced Flamers rule, as described in page 99 of the BMM? It's the one where instead of being able to deal damage OR heat to a heat-tracking target, flamers of any kind always deal both.
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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #1 on: 07 January 2020, 09:44:55 »
Voted yes because I have used it on occasion. It’s a fairly tame power increase, especially when juxtaposed with rapid fire machine guns

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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #2 on: 07 January 2020, 10:13:40 »
Have not, definitely would . . . and now I need to see if that is a MM option.  But yeah, I would put it in the same category as Rapid Fire ACs & MGs- something that makes the old, Level 1 designs a bit more potent in the advancing timeline.  Suddenly great-granddaddy's Firestarter is a more potent fighter when all hades breaks loose in the Chaos March.
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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #3 on: 07 January 2020, 10:46:46 »
Yep...as it just 'makes sense'

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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #4 on: 07 January 2020, 11:32:17 »
Yeah, in my home games we default to yes, because it makes sense and makes them less of a burden on stock mechs.

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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #5 on: 07 January 2020, 12:28:12 »
Haven't, since flamers show up so rarely in my games, but I would.
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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #6 on: 07 January 2020, 12:43:38 »
Pretty simple question: Do you use the optional Enhanced Flamers rule, as described in page 99 of the BMM? It's the one where instead of being able to deal damage OR heat to a heat-tracking target, flamers of any kind always deal both.

My honest answer is "no", because I hadn't read the rule until you mentioned it in this poll.

Having said that, I would strongly consider it. Flamers could use the boost.

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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #7 on: 07 January 2020, 12:45:30 »
I thought they did that anyhow 2 damage 3 heat.
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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #8 on: 07 January 2020, 12:57:30 »
Basic rules, IIRC they just do the heat . . . you have the option to switch.

Huh, makes the Salamander, Volk and Elemental (Flm) more potent too.
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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #9 on: 07 January 2020, 13:21:17 »
I'm just dumb and thought that was their standard thing, the damage and heat, makes perfect sense after all :)
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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #10 on: 07 January 2020, 13:38:23 »
2 damage, +3 heat for the shooter, just like everything else.

I know the heat-or-damage optional rule, but first I've heard of combined use outside of my own thinking.
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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #11 on: 07 January 2020, 13:56:26 »
Looking at the responses so far makes me wonder if "Not yet" or "no, but I'm considering it" should have been an option, quite a few responses have been to that effect.

My group had a variation of that rule in effect during in-person matches before we even knew about the official Enhanced Flamer option.  It's a nice, simple and noninvasive way to make flamers and Firestarters more interesting, and honestly makes more sense to me than the either-or version anyways.

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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #12 on: 07 January 2020, 14:16:48 »
I dimly seem to recall them working that way a LONG time ago, so I'd be inclined to vote yes.

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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #13 on: 07 January 2020, 14:46:09 »
This has been a house rule at my table forever, so yes!
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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #14 on: 07 January 2020, 15:03:43 »
haven't used it in physical play but i always turn it on for megamek. i think it makes sense.. you are going to get both with flames IRL, the either/or approach of standard never made much sense. plus it goes a long way to offsetting the fact that a flamer is a full ton, but otherwise has the stats of a small laser half its size.

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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #15 on: 07 January 2020, 15:12:54 »
No, only because I don't think that option is in megamek yet. 

If it was I would totally do that cause flamers need the upgrade badly.

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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #16 on: 07 January 2020, 15:42:29 »
Voted no, but i could see us doing it. It is very straight forward. We have been doing the either heat or damage.
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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #17 on: 07 January 2020, 15:54:56 »
Yes.  Otherwise the Flamer is a bit anemic as you can so easily out perform either aspect with alternatives without even having to invest that much more tonnage.

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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #18 on: 07 January 2020, 16:08:13 »
Voted no, but i could see us doing it. It is very straight forward. We have been doing the either heat or damage.

Lol introduce it one game . . . next game the mercs have to defend green infantry holding a position or convoy from a horde of Blakist pirate Firestarters, Vulcans, and other Flamer equipped swarmers.
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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #19 on: 07 January 2020, 16:10:38 »
Using this rule with Salamanders is either awful or hilarious, depending on which side of them you're on
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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #20 on: 07 January 2020, 16:34:41 »
Lol introduce it one game . . . next game the mercs have to defend green infantry holding a position or convoy from a horde of Blakist pirate Firestarters, Vulcans, and other Flamer equipped swarmers.

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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #21 on: 07 January 2020, 17:25:47 »
No, only because I don't think that option is in megamek yet. 

If it was I would totally do that cause flamers need the upgrade badly.

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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #22 on: 07 January 2020, 17:40:24 »
I think it might make sense to only apply it to Mech (fusion) flamers, and not BA mounted ones.  Units like the Salamander might be a little over the top otherwise.
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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #23 on: 07 January 2020, 17:54:00 »
That argument should probably apply to vehicle flamers too...

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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #24 on: 07 January 2020, 17:57:40 »
Lacking the BMM, I have not used that rule. But I'd put it in the auto-include of special rules for my table.
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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #25 on: 07 January 2020, 17:58:11 »
Is it weird that flamers I think are the only heat producing weapon on a target that does not have special effects when it hits a target such as a combat vehicle, battle armor, or the like (exception being standard infantry which of course get roasted)?

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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #26 on: 07 January 2020, 20:23:16 »
We have them cause both damage and heat to the target. It's fair.
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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #27 on: 07 January 2020, 23:25:24 »
Is it weird that flamers I think are the only heat producing weapon on a target that does not have special effects when it hits a target such as a combat vehicle, battle armor, or the like (exception being standard infantry which of course get roasted)?

I was just researching this is see if there was a buff to the damage of vehicles and ba kinda like a plasma rifle does.
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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #28 on: 08 January 2020, 01:33:39 »
Not really.
I usually go the other way and state flamers can't dmaage armour at all. Why complicate the game even more?
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Re: Do you use the enhanced flamers rule?
« Reply #29 on: 08 January 2020, 02:17:07 »
Because the change really isn't that complicated and flamers as is are pathetically underpowered.
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