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« Reply #1 on: 20 December 2019, 14:12:29 »
OK, I guess I'll go first.

Wrapping up the entire Skywalker saga in under two and a half hours was going to be a damn near impossible task, but The Rise of Skywalker manages to tick most of the boxes. Best movie of the sequel trilogy by far. Not as good as Rogue One, but then again only Empire is.

I'll give it 7.5 out of 10.

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By no means perfect, we do get Rey's origin, Snoke's origin, and why Luke never trained Leia as a Jedi (turns out he did) Ian McDiarmid completely rocks every scene he's in, and Wedge gets about a second and a half of screen time.

A few quibbles: Though it's been established in Empire that Luke's X-Wing suffers no ill effects from being submerged for extended periods, the door on his hut was supposed to be made from one of it's wings. Whoopsie!

Ben finding a working TIE in the Death Star wreckage, and a hyperspace equipped one to boot (though that close to the Throne Room, it could be a Royal Gaurd special variant.

Lastly, the end of the war with the First Order was resolved way to quickly. Though I did like the wrecked Star Destroyer on Jakku from the final battle of the last war about to be joined by another from the end of the current war.


I'm going to give it another viewing sometime after Christmas.
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« Reply #2 on: 20 December 2019, 14:31:07 »
One more gripe: The Knights of Ren have officialy joined Boba Fett and Captain Phasma in the We look really cool but don't really do anything club.

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« Reply #3 on: 20 December 2019, 14:35:33 »
I can understand some gripes about the movie, but overall was very satisfied. Rather than discuss the one subject for which I’ve read the most gripes (which would likely lead to a warning and threadlock), I will simple end with this gripe:


They killed SNAP?!?!?!?


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« Reply #4 on: 20 December 2019, 15:19:15 »
One more gripe: The Knights of Ren have officialy joined Boba Fett and Captain Phasma in the We look really cool but don't really do anything club.


So it's "We, the Knights who say Ren (but not much else)!"?
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« Reply #5 on: 20 December 2019, 15:22:42 »
My only complaint:

No Wilhelm scream that I can remember.
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« Reply #6 on: 20 December 2019, 15:54:49 »
I don't recall Episode VII or Solo having it either.
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« Reply #7 on: 20 December 2019, 16:48:32 »
My thoughts:

1. 10:15 AM showings keep crowds at bay thus making it a very enjoyable experience.

2. Fairly predictable plot but as noted it was pretty good.  Without a doubt better than the previous movie that shall not be named.  I'd peg it about the same level as Return of the Jedi.

3. I do agree that I think to set up future movies they could have left a few things on the table.

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« Reply #8 on: 20 December 2019, 17:49:02 »
So, just saw Episode 9

So..was it a bad film? No
Was it a good Star Wars film?
No.
But not if you compare it to the original trilogy. it was probably the best of this trilogy and about as good as Episode 3

It was a very good sequence of events and set peices. Thrown in with a maguffin hunt.
Visually, and audially it was spectacular, the set peices were generally well done.
But it felt like a 2 and a half hour long trailer more than a film. There was very little heart in it, little in the way of interconnecting tissue, just maguffin leads to set piece which leads to maguffin which leads to setpiece.

And there's plot holes you could fit a bloody deathstar into.

All of which will no doubt be solved in the book.

Its better than Episode 8, but so's getting kicked in the head by a horse so that's not exactly a high bar to beat. But its MUCH better than episode 8 and despite going straight for the jugular with nostalgia its still...lacking something. Its just..good. Its not great, its not a steaming pile that makes you want to howl about a ruined childhood etc. Its just...adequate.
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« Reply #9 on: 20 December 2019, 17:53:58 »
My wife and I hit the 0730 at the local Alamo Drafthouse.  The place was nearly empty.  I enjoyed it and it might even help give its predecessors a bit more firm ground to rest.  I look forward to seeing it again.

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« Reply #10 on: 20 December 2019, 20:59:09 »
How were the space battles, compared to Rogue One's Battle of Scarif or the strike on Jyn Erso's father's base?
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« Reply #11 on: 20 December 2019, 22:02:28 »
How were the space battles, compared to Rogue One's Battle of Scarif or the strike on Jyn Erso's father's base?

The final battle is massive, but it is shot so frenetically that it’s hard to keep track of the geography or scale of the combat.

And as a spoiler did anyone find it the Final Order commander says something to the effect of, “those aren’t military ships, they a just people “ when the fleet includes multiple MC75 and MC85 Mon Cal star cruisers, multiples of the two canon Nebulon frigates and dozens of other warship types? Yeah, there might have been some civilians there, but it seems like a fair amount of what must have been New Republic fleet remnants.

OK, I guess I'll go first.

Wrapping up the entire Skywalker saga in under two and a half hours was going to be a damn near impossible task, but The Rise of Skywalker manages to tick most of the boxes. Best movie of the sequel trilogy by far. Not as good as Rogue One, but then again only Empire is.

I'll give it 7.5 out of 10.

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Ben finding a working TIE in the Death Star wreckage, and a hyperspace equipped one to boot (though that close to the Throne Room, it could be a Royal Gaurd special variant.

Lastly, the end of the war with the First Order was resolved way to quickly. Though I did like the wrecked Star Destroyer on Jakku from the final battle of the last war about to be joined by another from the end of the current war.


I'm going to give it another viewing sometime after Christmas.

The Star Wars nerd part of me did immediately notice the hyperspace standard TIE.

I think you can justify the quick death of the First Order due to them being a paper tiger.  They decapitated the New Republic and destroyed the majority of their fleet during the destruction of the Hosnian system. Quickly after that, they seems to have rushed Star Destroyers to take orbital control over key systems and thereby appear to have seized the galaxy.  Most beings might not have known exactly how thinly spread their forces might have been. Once the “fire gets lit”, as the hero’s like to say, it might not have taken a lot to remove them.

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« Reply #12 on: 20 December 2019, 22:30:10 »
Just got from the movie... for me its on the same level of TFA... close but no cigar and much better than the not named one.

Loved John Williams cameo. It was the bartender on Kimji (sp?)

My only complaint:

No Wilhelm scream that I can remember.

I think the first jump trooper shot in Paasana (sp?) does that.

And as a spoiler did anyone find it the Final Order commander says something to the effect of, "those aren’t military ships, they a just people “ when the fleet includes multiple MC75 and MC85 Mon Cal star cruisers, multiples of the two canon Nebulon frigates and dozens of other warship types? Yeah, there might have been some civilians there, but it seems like a fair amount of what must have been New Republic fleet remnants.

He says "those aren’t navy ships, they are just people". I think hes just downgrading their importance... not truly meaning useless civilian ships.

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« Reply #13 on: 20 December 2019, 22:58:56 »

The Star Wars nerd part of me did immediately notice the hyperspace standard TIE.

I think you can justify the quick death of the First Order due to them being a paper tiger. 


How does a "paper tiger" have the industrial base to build and operate Starkiller Base?

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« Reply #14 on: 20 December 2019, 23:18:13 »
How does a "paper tiger" have the industrial base to build and operate Starkiller Base?

Jedi:Fallen Order hints that a great deal of the construction of Starkiller base might have been done by the Empire. And of course, after The Force Awakens, they’ve lost all the resources dumped into that project. General Pryde makes mention of it being a mistake in the new movie. The resources used to construct it weren’t used for fleet production. So you end up with having a small number of very capable battle cruisers instead a vast fleet of star destroyers.

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« Reply #15 on: 21 December 2019, 00:42:30 »
How does a "paper tiger" have the industrial base to build and operate Starkiller Base?
If you focus your entire national industrial base and brain trust on something, even a small fourth-tier power can develop its own superweapons.  Oh look there's Rule 4, so at the risk of bouncing off it like the X-wings off the Scarif shield, I'll say no more on that besides "they probably blew everything they had into the one Starkiller Base and decided to ignore the rest of the fleet or anything unrelated to that specific project.
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« Reply #16 on: 21 December 2019, 01:15:12 »
Saw today with friends and family (including the family member who first introduced me to Star Wars over fourty years ago). We all had a great time and immensely enjoyed ourselves.

I enjoyed it a lot more than I enjoyed any of the prequel trilogy (low bar, I know) and I'd certainly put it in my top tier of Star Wars films. Not as good as TLJ on a technical viewpoint, but really fun and enjoyable no less. I got the ending I expected, even if it wasn't how I expected it to go. Left the cinema tearing up more then a little.

I have to say now though that Daisy and Adam's chemistry is amazing. There's an intensity to their shared scenes that you just do not get anywhere else in Star Wars.

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« Reply #17 on: 21 December 2019, 02:40:48 »
OK, I just watched it. I wasn't particularly interested since the last two movies in this trilogy were bad, but my son wanted to see it so off we went.

I gotta say I'm somewhat surprised that it was better than I had expected. Not a great movie, but slightly above average, imo.

First of all, Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter made more sense, since she was fully loaded and all since the beginning, but it still doesnt explain how she was so familiar with the Millennium Falcon. Nice to see Lando again too.

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« Reply #18 on: 21 December 2019, 10:45:05 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLsSgS-v14Y

Relevant to everyone's interests, and its not a spoiler as 'ol Palps is in the trailers.
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« Reply #19 on: 21 December 2019, 13:22:11 »
I basically think this was JJ adaptation of Dark Empire; with the space battle i never got to see. My question is though is what happens now galaxy wise? Do we get another New Republic and does the remaining First Order slink back into the unknown regions?

It wasn't bad; if anything, it mirrors the prequel trilogy in terms of how each one fared in my opinion
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« Reply #20 on: 21 December 2019, 17:02:32 »
First of all, Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter made more sense, since she was fully loaded and all since the beginning, but it still doesnt explain how she was so familiar with the Millennium Falcon. Nice to see Lando again too.

That's something that never made sense to me in TFA either...  Still hasn't.

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« Reply #21 on: 21 December 2019, 18:04:09 »
To be fair, had Luke Skywalker ever been at the controls of anything better than a hovercar before they threw him in an X-wing at the end?  I mean, even on the way to Alderaan he's flipping out over flashing lights in the Falcon.  And suddenly he's in a Tomcat equivalent?  I guess ships are just all built around the same idea, like cars - outside of fine details you can just hop in one and go. 

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« Reply #22 on: 21 December 2019, 18:25:11 »
That's something that never made sense to me in TFA either...  Still hasn't.

It was explained in the novels and other books prior to the movie. One of the items she salvaged and refitted and used many times from the downed ships was a flight simulator training system. It contained instructions for flying many starships from fighters to tramp freighters.

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« Reply #23 on: 21 December 2019, 19:59:42 »
To be fair, had Luke Skywalker ever been at the controls of anything better than a hovercar before they threw him in an X-wing at the end?

Well, he use to bullseye whomp rats in his T-16 back home...

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« Reply #24 on: 21 December 2019, 20:07:51 »
Well, he use to bullseye whomp rats in his T-16 back home...

Which is still a clear indication that the Force cheats and lets people do stuff with it without formal training.  At least to me.  But that is probably as close to the special forum rules as I should push the conversation.

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« Reply #25 on: 21 December 2019, 20:26:55 »
but it still doesnt explain how she was so familiar with the Millennium Falcon.

While the Falcon hadn't flown in years, she'd been working on it for years. A lot of it unfortunately making Unkar Plutt's questionable modifications.
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« Reply #26 on: 21 December 2019, 20:29:18 »
Well as luck would have it, my bro took me in place of my father to see Star Wars in 3D.

My rating is 6.5 out 10. Impressive scenes and graphics, story seem flow better than previous one.


Well, I went in without seeing many spoilers to this thing. So i didn't expect it to be art piece.  I felt they did good work-a-around to remedy the problem of drastic passing Carrie Fisher.  I felt they really over did the nostalgia angle again to get them through the movie.  Rey & Ben's storyline was pretty much strength of the film, which relied heavily on cameos and winks and nods from the past make it a Star Wars movie.  I personally blame J J Abrams, since in beginning of trilogy he said he didn't think people want watch a totally new new story, it needed infusion of stuff from the past.  I disagree.  However, this is what we have now. I'm minority on my feelings of this. 

This a list of stuff that bothered me about it.
*1) Rey's healing ability - At the get go they started show casing Rey's new found ability to heal.  Film repetitively seems that flashing it through entire film, this all-new ability no Jedi has had before.  I'm not against that bit, that was kind of bothersome keep poking people with.
*2) Emperor's relation - Grand Child?  The guy was old when Return of the Jedi came out, the two parents were like totally 30s. He either very spry in his old age taken woman have child with her or they totally fudged that Rey would need be Great Grand Child to be realistic about who he is.
*3) Emperor still alive - Ok, someone must had a net at bottom of the pit Vader threw him down.  He was missing fingers and stuff and must had seem to be almost a mechanical zombie, but he certainly wasn't a clone like the writers were dropped a hints about midway through the film. I do believe the rumor Clone mentioning was nod to the old comics where better encounter of Emperor clone showed up. To be able to managed to to squirreled the Emperor off the station before it's destruction was impressive planning for Emperor's shadow Sith workforce. I doubt Emperor would been a Clone since i believe a clone would have been younger and perhaps more healthier than man we found on the Sith homeworld.
*4) Miniature Super Lasers on Wicked Old Star Destroyers - So the Sith Shadow Work force squirreled away tons of antique Star Destroyers and managed to shoe horn hyper miniaturized super laser, where the First Order's Dreadnoughts had only big bombardment guns.  Huh?  Why did the Sith had to hide a lot super technology from everyone, why bother with Death Star if they had those things.  I was under the impression the Star Killer was best they First Order could do. SD+Mini-Super Laser are superior to both weapons hands down.  I didn't expect the Super Laser that small to exist prior to the Death Stars being made, but afterwards i did expect it would be possible for it to exist. The sheer power it tge weapon could produce.  It's kind brakes allot of balance issues premise a planet killer weapon could do. New Hope famously mentions it would have taken the IMPERIAL FLEET to destroy a planet. The weapon power source alone would fatal issue to work. Thus ur huge moonsize stations and sun flare power sources used to make such weapons.
*5) Ben Solo's ability of Force teleporting - So that powerful ability or was it joint power with Rey?  So weird. Very broken.
*6) Broken Up Relationships  - Well, it's minor thing. But i was confused on inter-personal relationships going on. Ben+Rey thing was sort been hinted, but frankly that was disappointing way wrappped up subplot  what turns out to be Starcrossed Lovers sort ending.  Thing with Finn was confusing too.  He meets Rose, he wants tell Rey something, never does, He meets former Storm trooper lady (on Endor? Wreck of the Death Star couldn't have been blown through galactic space...right?) who seem have chemistry with him. (sister? possible love interest? Billy Dee/Lando's lost daughter?)  I think something must have been left on the editor's cutting floor given it seem to have been broken up bit.
*7) End of Endings - So Sith gone, since now we find out Sith need die like Highlander to transfer into the next person to carry (Evil version of the Autobot's Matrix of leadership?) spirits/knowledge of the Sith with them. Vader must been spared when he thew Emperor down the pit.  Rey has Jedi in her too.  Now galaxy sith free, just has rebuild in mist of no galactic government.  Likely a lot in-fighting, but this Disney owned, so it won't that bad (maybe).


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« Reply #27 on: 22 December 2019, 04:53:20 »
Well as luck would have it, my bro took me in place of my father to see Star Wars in 3D.

My rating is 6.5 out 10. Impressive scenes and graphics, story seem flow better than previous one.

That's close to my rating, which is 5.5/10. What really bothered me more than a storyline was the director. The scenes that involve sacrifice and heroism are so flat and devoid of any intensity, they sort of become meh and unemotional. JJ Abrams should never be allowed to touch a Star Wars movie again.

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« Reply #28 on: 22 December 2019, 06:11:27 »
Summary: 80% Dark Empire (Rey is Luke in that story), tribute scenes to Ep III and VI and some scenes leaving me feeling like this is KOTOR: The Movie i.e. Rey doing things like Dark Side Bastila from KOTOR.

This movie is better than VII and VIII but it's just my opinion. Storytelling is incoherent at many junctures.
Rose seems like JJ Abrams doesn't know what to do with Rian Johnson's character.
Hux and Snoke seem to be disposable characters.
Finn gets no relationship development with his new friend?
Rebels still have no fleet, 2 corvettes and something like 2 squadrons of fighters that aren't even homogeneous for the series grand finale.
Most puzzling of all, they never bothered to explain how Palpatine survived disintegration down a bottomless shaft. His statements seem like they used the Dark Empire version of soul-surfing through new bodies to reincarnate.
The Sith people seem to have survived the millennia just to die here after chanting like Mordor Orcs at the siege of Minas Tirith.
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« Reply #29 on: 22 December 2019, 10:50:48 »
I knew I probably wouldn't like it as I hadn't like the last two but had to see it.  If for no other reason than just to see what Disney was ending Star Wars with.  I thought 7 and 8 weren't good either but this one was the worst.  It felt like a bad ripoff of the Dark Empire comics done by somebody that was checking off boxes on things to include.  I don't generally like anything JJ Abrams produces so I'm not surprised, he's too in love with his own hype and his pointless mysteries.  It didn't feel like Star Wars to me, it felt like a poor imitation of Star Wars done by people with no investment in the setting guided by corporate panel "include this element" bits scattered throughout.
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