Star Wars: The Rise of... Stuff... and Things...

[Wrangler]

I heard Resistance wasn't going well.  Did this bomber make it into the films?

[Fat Guy]

Not the films, but that doesn't make it any less canon.

[I am Belch II]

I heard Resistance wasn't going well.  Did this bomber make it into the films?

All I rember is the Triangle Shaped TIE fighters. That seem to be just as much fodder as the other TIEs in the other movies.

[Fat Guy]

Those would be the TIE Dagger.

There was a TIE designed for Episode IX that never made the screen: the TIE Whisperer.



Basically a stealth TIE.

The TIE Kylo Ren uses is not a new Silencer, but a Whisperer modified to an Interceptor configuration.

[Weirdo]

That explains why Rey's ears weren't bleeding after that jump slash.

[I am Belch II]

That explains why Rey's ears weren't bleeding after that jump slash.

But is still made that normal TIE sound, and Kylo was flying pretty low. The force protected her ears.

[ArkRoyalRavager]

In the most recent episode of Resistance we finally got to see the First Order TIE Bomber.

Yet another thing that makes TLJ's chase scene look so ridiculous. A bomber run would've wiped the Raddus out.

[Wrangler]

Yet another thing that makes TLJ's chase scene look so ridiculous. A bomber run would've wiped the Raddus out.

I would think RofS had more ridiculous scene of Millennium Falcon being chased though Hyperspace "Skips" in In Space & Atmosphere by Hyperdrive equipped Tie Fighters! 

[Insaniac99]

I can defend the hyperspace TIEs, there has been the TIE Defender for decades after all, but I can't defend the hyperspace skipping.  If someone could skip along gravity wells, why that close to them and why do Interdictors work, and why wouldn't everyone try it to avoid the imperial blockades?

[Wrangler]

I suddenly realized after long (yes, i'm slow.) thinking about WHY they even did it......well.   There Galaxy's Edge, the Disney attraction which has a full scale Millennium Falcon as main attraction there.

I then realize that the ride was literally taken from the scene from the movie (or vise versa).  I suspect (a gut feeling) that's why it was put in the film like that in first place. The Millennium Falcon ride is almost same "chase" they were doing in Rise of Skywalker. Its that or really bad idea they stuck with since first film of this triology, where they did it from atmosphere from Star Killer 1 base thing.

[ArkRoyalRavager]

I would think RofS had more ridiculous scene of Millennium Falcon being chased though Hyperspace "Skips" in In Space & Atmosphere by Hyperdrive equipped Tie Fighters!

Agreed. That's equally ridiculous, along with the unnecessary "heavy bombers" in the opening battle of TLJ.

[I am Belch II]

The bombers were not the problem in the TLJ. The problem is that fact that they dropped bombs on the ship....vs other ways of delivering the payload.  The bomber was kinda designed off of a B-17...hell it was even called the StarFrotress SF-17. The fact that a bomber will always get thru...at least one.

[Wrangler]

I was not fan of the space bomber, as cool of name they gave them. It seemed to me like the director was trying invoke scene (that ignores physics) with multiple people doing stuff with cool visual effects as these "slow" space bombers needed bomb Dreadnought. 

Only up take i had from that movie was it introduced a lot new vehicle & ships to the universe.  Which is sad, given how not so good the film's story was overall.  I was particularly mad how they built up new characters just to bump them off at end of it. They would been good universe building characters in the next film to replace the legacy characters they happen kill off in the same movie.

I think they were trying please fans bit too much in this last film. How many flash backs to a 40 year old film trilogy did they need to keep audience interested in the film?

Supposedly there going to be another movie in 2022, but there not much info on it.  I hope they take their time writing it up better.  The live-action television show seems better put together, has time in-rich it's characters.

[Lorcan Nagle]

The problem is that fact that they dropped bombs on the ship....vs other ways of delivering the payload.

Have you not seen Empire Strikes Back?

[Wrangler]

Have you not seen Empire Strikes Back?

I think the bombs used in Empire was done so they were firing downward verse gravity pulling bombs down from a vehicle onto another ship.

[Lorcan Nagle]

I think the bombs used in Empire was done so they were firing downward verse gravity pulling bombs down from a vehicle onto another ship.

Nope, they were dropped.

[ArkRoyalRavager]

The bombers were unnecessary. Their slow speed and massive size made them vulnerable to an already overwhelming enemy fleet. Why Rian Johnson chose to give us a WWII bombing run repeat in space vs a few squadrons of B-Wings with warhead launchers that don't need dedicated bombardiers that have to manually prime the bombs in bays and with far better agility, is confusing and dumb. They even drop what seems to be tons of unguided packed thermal detonators when proton torpedos existed right from the first movie, along with concussion missiles, heavy bombs and heavy rockets.

Rose's sister wouldn't have needed to die an unnecessary death.

[Nightlord01]

The bombers were unnecessary. Their slow speed and massive size made them vulnerable to an already overwhelming enemy fleet. Why Rian Johnson chose to give us a WWII bombing run repeat in space vs a few squadrons of B-Wings with warhead launchers that don't need dedicated bombardiers that have to manually prime the bombs in bays and with far better agility, is confusing and dumb. They even drop what seems to be tons of unguided packed thermal detonators when proton torpedos existed right from the first movie, along with concussion missiles, heavy bombs and heavy rockets.

Rose's sister wouldn't have needed to die an unnecessary death.

That was the point of the scene though, showing that Poe was willing to allow wholesale death among the Resistance provided they could damage the First Order. It also, unintentionally I think, showed a major weakness of having your operational commander looking over your shoulder, telling the soldiers what they can and cannot shoot.

[Liam's Ghost]

(that ignores physics)

This is not a thing that they do, at least no more than anything else in the Star Wars universe. The scene literally establishes the ship having internal gravity as a plot point. The bombs would drop just as readily as the bombardier and the detonator did. when they fell to the bottom of the bomb bay.

[Garrand]

This is not a thing that they do, at least no more than anything else in the Star Wars universe. The scene literally establishes the ship having internal gravity as a plot point. The bombs would drop just as readily as the bombardier and the detonator did. when they fell to the bottom of the bomb bay.

True, & when the bombs left the artificial gravity envelope of the bomber, they'd continue along at the same velocity they obtained dropping from the bomb bay. For that matter, the gravity at the bottom of the bomb bay could be sufficiently stronger than the rest of the craft to impart extra velocity when leaving the bay. As for why would they do this, IMHO for the same reason F-16s today have a bomb impact calculator on the HUD. Sometimes you don't have, or don't want to use, smart weapons for your job.

That being said, I think a WWII analog of a torpedo bomber would have been more cinematically interesting. Call it a ST-5, 3 person crew (1 pilot, 2 gunners), & replay a sort of "Attack at Midway" type thing, & it might have been a bit more exciting...

Damon.

[Fallen_Raven]

Why Rian Johnson chose to give us a WWII bombing run repeat in space

Because dogfights from space planes that need to bank and roll to walk gunfire on a target is an accurate representation of physics?

[Ruger]

Because dogfights from space planes that need to bank and roll to walk gunfire on a target is an accurate representation of physics?

Plus the fact that Star Wars, from its first movie, has duplicated WW2 style aircraft combat/attacks in its onscreen depictions of starfighter usage?

Ruger

[Lorcan Nagle]

Plus the fact that Star Wars, from its first movie, has duplicated WW2 style aircraft combat/attacks in its onscreen depictions of starfighter usage?

Ruger

To the point that George Lucas used dogfight footage from WWII movies as temp footage in early edits while he was waiting for the effects shots to be ready.

[ANS Kamas P81]

That being said, I think a WWII analog of a torpedo bomber would have been more cinematically interesting. Call it a ST-5, 3 person crew (1 pilot, 2 gunners), & replay a sort of "Attack at Midway" type thing, & it might have been a bit more exciting...

So, Y-wings.  "Red leader, this is Gold leader, we're starting our attack run now."

[ArkRoyalRavager]

Because dogfights from space planes that need to bank and roll to walk gunfire on a target is an accurate representation of physics?

That's how their computers work. It's been there since the X-Wing and TIE Fighter games.

As for bombs, proton torpedos have better targeting velocities and exist, and smaller, nimbler B-Wings exist, so using heavy bombers is simply inviting a massacre of the squadron from flak that can target them more easily, which predictably happened. This is probably why JJ Abrams gave them B-Wings in RoS to retcon one of the ridiculous things in TLJ. That B-Wing was quickly taken down, but that's to be expected from the number of enemy forces at Exegol.

[guardiandashi]

the only "real" justification for the bombers IMO was if they could put a concentrated "punch" of damage that nothing short of a capital ship could match.

My thought is that Y-Wings while horribly obsolete are in most cases more practical in that even their heavy "bombs" mean they don't have to get as close to the capital ship to deliver their payload.  The fact that Poe went in with his X-wing and took out all the turrets meant that the bombers had a "mostly" unopposed attack run, until the fighters launched. where it became problematic is that the "bombers" they used were clearly intended as atmospheric attack craft, and appear to suffer really badly when used in a space environment .

[Liam's Ghost]

I feel like the whole point of the scene was that the bombers were supposed to be a desperation maneuver, and it was very clear that the instant that maneuver wasn't needed the correct answer would have been to get away, like Leia ordered them to.

That's why I don't get the complaints about Admiral Holdo not telling Poe their plan. If anything the unrealistic part of their whole interaction was that Poe wasn't in a cell for ignoring his orders and getting a whole lot of people killed for no tactical advantage.

[Wrangler]

Call me really wishes that maybe some of the republic's ships at showing up in one of the film.
See so crazy none of the could not had been spared that survived to be able go and help fight the Order.

EDIT: Sorry, i was dedicating to my phone when posted this. I missed auto-correct botched.

[Daryk]

I didn't think I was that tired, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what you're trying to say.  Autocorrect mangled it beyond all comprehension for me...

[Ruger]

the only "real" justification for the bombers IMO was if they could put a concentrated "punch" of damage that nothing short of a capital ship could match.

ONE bomber took out a 7000+ meter long dreadnought in one bombing run. They can carry over 1000 proton bombs each.

I’d say they meet your requirement.

Ruger