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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #30 on: 12 July 2020, 08:42:46 »
Thanks for fixing it!  I wasn't sure if it was intentional or not, since a lot of it was repeated from the previous post.

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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #31 on: 12 July 2020, 10:05:19 »
No, it happens sometimes, and I'm not sure why.  I think it has to do with copying and pasting, but I've never been able to figure out anything more specific than that.
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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #32 on: 12 July 2020, 14:29:04 »
Having gone right through the big box that I thought contained all my "works in progress", I still can't find my Fecking Longbow or Scorpion. Did find an extra Crusader and a Marauder with a non-standard AC, which was missing. Also stumbled across one of the crowning achievements of my unseen collection, a BattleDroids XBW-9J Crossbow.

Also found a Panther, but that's probably too hard a sell for a CMM unit.

Not trying to brag or anything: I've just put a lot of time, effort and money into building up my unseen collection. Even have most of the newer unseen (Goshawk, Viper, ect). Actually have a couple of more unseen, but they're for existing units that I don't want to break-up.

Battlemaster
Crusader
(x2)
Thunderbolt
Wolverine
Griffin
(x2, decided to keep one as-is)
Hunchback
Shadow Hawk
(x2)
Goliath
Archer
Blackjack
(x2)
Commando
Valkyrie
Rifleman
Warhammer
Warhammer
WD
Jagermech
Catapult
Stinger
(x2)
Wasp
Phoenix Hawk
Enforcer
Marauder
Crossbow


From where I'm sitting, I see two full companies and an independent command lance.
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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #33 on: 12 July 2020, 14:51:02 »
A Panther isn't a hard sell at all... remember Kentares!

Command Lance
(4/6/0) Battlemaster, Goliath, Rifleman, Hunchback

1st Company (4/6/0+)
(4/6/0) Marauder, Warhammer, Warhammer, Jagermech (swap for Thunderbolt if LRM-15 version)

(4/6/0) Archer, Crusader, Crusader, Thunderbolt

(4/6/4) Catapult, Blackjack, Blackjack, Enforcer (and bonus Panther?)

2nd Company (5/8/0+)
(5/8/5) Wolverine, Griffin, Griffin, Valkyrie

(5/8/0+) Crossbow, Shadowhawk, Shadowhawk, Commando

(6/9/6) Phoenix Hawk, Stinger, Stinger, Wasp

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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #34 on: 12 July 2020, 15:06:17 »
I agree with Daryk almost entirely.  A Panther’s an easy sell, Davion salvages them all the time.  The one change I would make to his lineup is the slide the Panther into 1st Company’s 3rd Lance, move the Catapult up to 2nd Lance, the Tbolt to 1st Lance, and the JagerMech into command.  JagerMechs are too fragile to be in a line heavy Lance, better to double up on the CO’s AAA bubble.
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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #35 on: 12 July 2020, 15:23:23 »
That could certainly work too!  :thumbsup:

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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #36 on: 13 July 2020, 00:03:07 »
Toss the 5th mech into a Command "Star" IMHO, the very beginnings of a 3rd company.
Also where any sort of "Guest/Liason/Exchange" mech would likely be.

I'd swap around to the following for extreme focus by lance.

(4/6/0) Battlemaster, Jagermech, Rifleman, Hunchback, Enforcer

(4/6/0) Marauder, Warhammer, Warhammer, Thunderbolt
(4/6/0) Goliath, Archer, Crusader, Crusader
(4/6/4) Catapult, Blackjack, Blackjack, Panther
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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #37 on: 16 July 2020, 07:30:01 »
Everyone forgets the lovable Dervish...  :-\
I know, I know; it's not on your list of available minis, but Ol' Paddle-Hands needs some appreciation sometimes!
It's worth fielding just so you can say "That's a paddle'n..." every time your Dervish hits an opponent's mech...  :thumbsup:
I picked one up off eBay: it'll be in 3rd Company
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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #38 on: 16 July 2020, 09:15:23 »
Wah?! No tanks?!  :D :D

Sorry, started reading 'cuz I thought it might be about how a lance of 'Mechs might grow to a company or larger, and was interested to know what kind of vees would be suggested as support since I love 'em.
Of course, the every growing number of minis you seem to be digging out of your box got my interest I just HAD to see where your expanded unit ends up with.

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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #39 on: 16 July 2020, 09:31:26 »
I've probably got...two regiments of BattleMechs, and another one/two of armour, if you include all my kit-bashes and repurposes.
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« Reply #40 on: 16 July 2020, 10:27:19 »
Okay, so here's the part where I try really hard to not sound like I'm bragging: I've just found 3rd Company.

In a box.

Complete (if in need of cleaning).

And with the Dervish I have on order, I actually have a 'Mech to spare.

What I found:
BattleMaster (I must have like 5/6 of these)
Marauder (actually complete this time)
Crusader
Longbow
Enforcer
Vulcan
Ostsol
Ostscout
Wolfhound
Firefly
Stinger
Wasp


(still can't find the flecking Scorpion!)

I'm thinking:

Fire Lance: BattleMaster, Marauder, Crusader and Longbow
Command Lance: Enforcer, Vulcan, Ostsol and Dervish
Scout Lance: Wolfhound, Ostscout, Firefly, Sting and/or Wasp

Edit: also bought a Vindicator, which may replace the Vulcan in the command lance
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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #41 on: 16 July 2020, 11:14:47 »
I would actually suggest the Vulcan in the scout lance in place of the Wolfhound. That way they maintain strategic mobility.

The Vindicator and/or Wolfhound can then go in the Command Lance.

But, that’s me.

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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #42 on: 16 July 2020, 13:04:50 »
What a find!  :o

I'm going to need more time to assimilate those... Maybe this weekend?

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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #43 on: 16 July 2020, 13:11:42 »
What a find!  :o
I've been collecting 'Mech for about 20 years now, and a while back, I set myself the mission of collecting all the unseen. I found others that just didn't fit the profile of a Davison militia unit, circa 3025 (Highlander, Spartan, Phoenix Hawk LAM...), and a few that were incomplete (I have the parts somewhere).

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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #44 on: 16 July 2020, 13:41:37 »
Glad to hear it! I have a meeting to attend tomorrow (while on leave... grumble), but will try to get to it tomorrow afternoon...

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« Reply #45 on: 16 July 2020, 14:32:23 »
Okay, so update on the recent haul:

The Firefly is missing its arms, and the Ostsols right leg is broken at the ankle. Fixable, but beyond my skill level, and I really don't want to botch it. Soooo, they're out.

Full list of available units:
BattleMaster (x2)
Crusader (x3)
Thunderbolt
Wolverine
Griffin
(x2, decided to keep one as-is)
Hunchback
Shadow Hawk
(x2)
Goliath
Archer
Blackjack
(x2)
Commando
Valkyrie
Rifleman
Warhammer
Warhammer
WD
JagerMech
Catapult
Stinger
(x3)
Wasp (x2)
Phoenix Hawk
Enforcer
(x2)
Marauder (x2)
Crossbow
Longbow
Vindicator
Dervish
Vulcan
Ostscout
Wolfhound
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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #46 on: 16 July 2020, 14:36:50 »
Will do what I can with that list tomorrow... thanks for it!  :thumbsup:

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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #47 on: 16 July 2020, 15:47:38 »

All the rediscovered finds are great.  But some are too high quality for a Succession Wars-era March Militia, IMO.  I’d do a company of Capellan March Militia using the lower-quality designs that have FedRat variants and Cappie heritage, like this:

Command/Battle Lance
Rifleman -3C   <— FedRat variant with dual AC/10s and more armor
Enforcer -4R   <— Enforcers just scream March Militia, classic FedRat
Enforcer -4R or Crossbow -6C   <— variant with AC/10 and armor in place of LRMs, old
Vindicator -1R or -1SIC   <— salvaged from Cappies

Fire/Support Lance
Jagermech-A   <— FedRat variant with LRMs and armor in place of AC/5s
Catapult -C1   <— salvaged from Cappies
Blackjack -1   <— Blackjacks just scream March Militia, classic FedRat
Blackjack -1 or Crossbow -6B   <— original with LRMs and PPC, old

Recon/Scout Lance
Vulcan -5T   <— FedRat variant with medium lasers and armor in place of AC/2
Valkyrie -QA   <— classic FedRat
Wasp -1D   <— FedRat variant with flamer and small lasers in place of SRM-2
Wasp -1D   <— FedRat variant with flamer and small lasers in place of SRM-2

To me, this company has that gritty, cast-off garrison feel, especially a FedRat militia on the Cappie border.  No assaults or high-end heavies above 65 toms, no high-performing members of the 55-ton trio, lots of hold-the-line designs like Enforcers and Blackjacks, a salvaged Vindi and Pult from over the border, and an ancient Crossbow.

But it also surprises with FedRat variants and designs (Rifleman, Jagermech, Vulcan, Wasps), concentrated firepower, and extra armor.  The command lance can hole punch at range with four to five AC/10 & PPC shots and two to three Large Laser shots per turn.  The fire lance throws 60-80 LRMs and four to six AC/2 rounds per turn at range and a meat grinding eight to 12 medium lasers up close.  The Rifleman, Jagermech, Crossbow -6C, and Vulcan all unexpectedly carry thicker armor.

It’s a hardscrabble company that will surprise, but not overwhelm, which is what a militia unit should be/do.

I’d save all the good stuff — the Battlemasters, Longbow, Marauders, Warhammers, Tbolt, Crusaders, P-Hawk, etc. — for a couple frontline companies.  Davion Guards, Avalon Hussars, etc.  (I’m partial to the Ceti Hussars myself.)

Those frontline companies could also be Elsie (add the Griffins, Wolfhound, and Commando) or Leaguer (add the Goliath, Wolverine, and Hunchback).  They could also be Snake with the right -K variants.

Maybe start a new thread for those frontline companies.

My 2 cents.  YMMV.  Hope it helps.
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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #48 on: 16 July 2020, 20:26:10 »
Okay, so update on the recent haul:

The Firefly is missing its arms, and the Ostsols right leg is broken at the ankle. Fixable, but beyond my skill level, and I really don't want to botch it. Soooo, they're out.

Nope they are Hanger Queens that every Miltia unit should have
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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #49 on: 16 July 2020, 21:18:47 »
Okay, so update on the recent haul:

The Firefly is missing its arms, and the Ostsols right leg is broken at the ankle. Fixable, but beyond my skill level, and I really don't want to botch it. Soooo, they're out.

Full list of available units:
BattleMaster (x2)
Crusader (x3)
Thunderbolt
Wolverine
Griffin
(x2, decided to keep one as-is)
Hunchback
Shadow Hawk
(x2)
Goliath
Archer
Blackjack
(x2)
Commando
Valkyrie
Rifleman
Warhammer
Warhammer
WD
JagerMech
Catapult
Stinger
(x3)
Wasp (x2)
Phoenix Hawk
Enforcer
(x2)
Marauder (x2)
Crossbow
Longbow
Vindicator
Dervish
Vulcan
Ostscout
Wolfhound



Ok, so.  Now we've got a full battalion plus command lance.  This will be fun.


Command Lance
BattleMaster
Hunchback
Rifleman
Goliath


A Company
1st Lance
Longbow
Archer
Crusader
Crusader

2nd Lance
Marauder
Marauder
Warhammer
Warhammer

3rd Lance
JagerMech
Blackjack
Blackjack
Vulcan

B Company

1st Lance
BattleMaster
Crusader
Thunderbolt
Enforcer

2nd Lance
Griffin
Griffin
Vindicator
Enforcer

3rd Lance
Ostscout
Stinger
Stinger
Stinger

C Company

1st Lance
Crossbow
Catapult
Shadow Hawk
Shadow Hawk

2nd Lance
Wolverine
Dervish
Valkyrie
Phoenix Hawk

3rd Lance
Wolfhound
Commando
Wasp
Wasp


Ok, so.  Some explanations: I wanted the commander protected from all the threats.  Hunchback for the close threats, Goliath for the far threats (and the Goliath's just an odd duck that didn't feel good anywhere else) and Rifleman to deal with air threats.  A Company is support of various sorts.  an LRM lance, a direct-fire lance, and all the Battalion's AC2s in one place to make air threats brown their pants (The battalion will only be stocking flak ammo for AC2s).  B and C companies are more balanced, with a medium-heavy command lance, a medium battle lance, and a scout lance.  I was marginally annoyed that there were only 2 non-jumping lights, I'd rather have a whole lance of non-jumpers, but c'est la vie.  Where'd a Davion March Militia get a Crossbow?  Weren't those extinct until they were revived in the Jihad?
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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #50 on: 17 July 2020, 07:21:31 »
Where'd a Davion March Militia get a Crossbow?  Weren't those extinct until they were revived in the Jihad?
IIRC from the time I asked help identifying the mini, it's a case of "they've always been there, we just never gave them a TRO entry at the time". But I may be misinterpreting it.
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=21852.0

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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #51 on: 17 July 2020, 12:09:53 »
So 40 mechs?
Seems like a full battalion to me.
That said, I set up 1 company to either be CC-Op4 or Salvage.


Command Lance:
BattleMaster-1D
   JagerMech
   Rifleman
   Enforcer


Battle Company:

Marauder-D
   Warhammer WD
   Thunderbolt
   Hunchback-4G

Crossbow
   Shadow Hawk-2H
   Griffin-1N
   Enforcer

Wolverine-6R
   Wolfhound-1
   Valkyrie-QA
   Commando-2D



Support Company:

Longbow-7Q
   Archer
   Crusader-D
   Crusader-R

Dervish
   Griffin-1N
   Shadow Hawk-2H
   Blackjack

Phoenix Hawk-D
   Vulcan-5T
   Wasp-D
   Stinger-G



Cappie Salvage - Op4 Company

BattleMaster-1G
   Goliath
   Marauder-L
   Warhammer-L

Crusader-L
   Catapult
   Vindicator
   Blackjack

Ostscout
   Wasp-L
   Stinger-3R
   Stinger-3G
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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #52 on: 17 July 2020, 13:58:24 »
Okay, I'm going to have a crack at this myself:

Command Lance:
BattleMaster
BattleMaster
Goliath
Hunchback


1st Company (Fire Support)
Command:
Marauder
Marauder
Warhammer
Warhammer


Indirect Fire:
Archer
Longbow
Crossbow
Catapult


Direct Fire/AAA:
Jagermech
Rifleman
Blackjack
Blackjack


2nd Company (Battle)
Command:
Crusader
Thunderbolt
Griffin
Griffin


Fire:
Wolverine
Vindicator
Enforcer
Enforcer


Scout:
Phenix Hawk
Panther
Wolfhound
Commando


3rd Company (Skirmishers)
Command:
Shadow Hawk
Valkyrie
Ostscout
Stinger


Support:
Crusader
Crusader
Vulcan
Dervish


Scout:
Stinger
Stinger
Wasp
Wasp


Thoughts?
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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #53 on: 17 July 2020, 14:46:44 »
Ok, here's my swing at it (wish you had more 4/6/4 'mechs):

Battalion Command Lance (4/6/0): Battlemaster, Battlemaster, Goliath, Hunchback

Battalion HQ Company (4/6/0+):
Guard Lance: Jagermech, Rifleman, Wolfhound, Commando
Flanker Lance: Enforcer, Enforcer, Blackjack, Blackjack
Scout Lance: Vulcan, Ostscout, Stinger, Stinger

1st Line Company (3/5/0+):
Hammer Lance: Marauder, Marauder, Warhammer, Warhammer
Anvil Lance: Thunderbolt, Longbow, Catapult, Vindicator
Fire Support Lance: Archer, Crusader, Crusader, Crusader

2nd Line Company (5/8/0+):
Cavalry Lance: Wolverine, Crossbow, Shadowhawk, Shadowhawk
Fire Lance: Griffin, Griffin, Dervish, Valkyrie
Recon Lance: Phoenix Hawk, Wasp, Wasp, Stinger

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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #54 on: 29 July 2020, 17:44:17 »
Ok, here's my swing at it (wish you had more 4/6/4 'mechs):

Battalion Command Lance (4/6/0): Battlemaster, Battlemaster, Goliath, Hunchback

Battalion HQ Company (4/6/0+):
Guard Lance: Jagermech, Rifleman, Wolfhound, Commando
Flanker Lance: Enforcer, Enforcer, Blackjack, Blackjack
Scout Lance: Vulcan, Ostscout, Stinger, Stinger

1st Line Company (3/5/0+):
Hammer Lance: Marauder, Marauder, Warhammer, Warhammer
Anvil Lance: Thunderbolt, Longbow, Catapult, Vindicator
Fire Support Lance: Archer, Crusader, Crusader, Crusader

2nd Line Company (5/8/0+):
Cavalry Lance: Wolverine, Crossbow, Shadowhawk, Shadowhawk
Fire Lance: Griffin, Griffin, Dervish, Valkyrie
Recon Lance: Phoenix Hawk, Wasp, Wasp, Stinger
Decided to go with this lineup in the end. But don't be downhearted, everyone else: I've already started accumulating 'Mechs for 2nd Battalion!
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« Reply #55 on: 29 July 2020, 18:24:03 »
Work on an opfor first! :)
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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #56 on: 29 July 2020, 20:17:33 »
Work on an opfor first! :)
I've got an Awesome, a Dragon, a Wyvern and a Panther, so unless they pick a fight with someone who's really far from home...
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Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #57 on: 17 August 2020, 11:24:51 »
I haven't so much as lifted a paintbrush, and I'm already assembling a collection of 'Mech's for 2nd Battalion.

Atlas
Zeus
Awesome
Orion
Grasshopper
Thunderbolt
Shadow Hawk
Griffin
Dragon
Wyvern
Scorpion
(finally found it)
Panther
Commando
Jenner
Jenner
Javelin
Dervish
Assassin
Clint


So far, I'm thinking both Jenners, the Assassin and the Javelin as a run-&-jump Scout Lance.
« Last Edit: 17 August 2020, 11:30:40 by JA Baker »
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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #58 on: 17 August 2020, 17:57:31 »
JA, you need to stars A Plan.

Like, what units, what eras. And then work them out into Formations.

And then start adding your support elements.

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Re: Looking for help expanding a Lance to a Company
« Reply #59 on: 17 August 2020, 20:07:08 »
JA, you need to stars A Plan.

Like, what units, what eras. And then work them out into Formations.

And then start adding your support elements.

Come to the dark side, we have spreadsheets!

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Officer Commanding: Col Chloe LeFollett
1st Battalion: Major Richard Sharpe
Captain William Frederickson
Captain Harriet 'Harry' Price
Captain Robert Plunkett
2nd Battalion: Gregory Lennox
Captain Thomas Leroy
Captain Ellie Lockhart
Captain Alice Macleane
3rd Battalion: Major Bridget McDoogle
Captain Jack Bullen
Captain Stephanie McBride
Captain Adam Wells
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