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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #240 on: 17 March 2016, 10:41:32 »
Pendragon PDG-1X
Pendragon PDG-1R
Pendragon PDG-2R

All units should have the CASEII ability, not CASE.

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4799/pendragon-pdg-1r

NCKestrel: corrected, thanks.

Second issue with Pendragons.  All have composite structure, so structure value should be 2, not 4.

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« Reply #241 on: 17 March 2016, 11:08:05 »
Second issue with Pendragons.  All have composite structure, so structure value should be 2, not 4.

Corrected along with appropriate PVs.
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« Reply #242 on: 17 March 2016, 11:34:21 »
I don't know much about Alpha Strike, but I *think* the HBK-7S and TSN-X-4 should have the RCN ability.

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7346/hunchback-hbk-7s
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5549/tessen-tsn-x-4


Xotl: correct.  Updated along with PVs.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #243 on: 17 March 2016, 11:42:23 »
The Assassin Model 99 should have the ECM special.


Xotl: correct.  Updated along with PV.
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« Reply #244 on: 17 March 2016, 20:37:30 »
Not exactly an errata but more of a question.
What about faction use lists from 3 sources:
RS 3145 NTNU
TRO: 3145 RoTS
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« Reply #245 on: 17 March 2016, 21:11:37 »
On the To Do list. I'll poke around to see if someone has any notes on these.

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« Reply #246 on: 17 March 2016, 21:17:23 »
On the To Do list. I'll poke around to see if someone has any notes on these.

Thank you very much.

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« Reply #248 on: 18 March 2016, 09:17:04 »
Cauldron-Born (Ebon Jaguar) pictures are loading now, thanks for pointing that out.  (Using the TR3058 picture though, not the older FM picture you linked too).
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« Reply #250 on: 21 March 2016, 14:03:30 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4565/mad-cat-mk-ii-standard

TRO 3067 pg. 132-133
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Would Jade Falcon and Clan Wolf or more clans be able to be added to the MUL for the Mad Cat Mk.II

It says in TRO3067 "Clans Wolf and Jade Falcon, both obvious candidates for sales, have purchased none; neither has Clan Ice Hellion or even Clan Steel Viper (though all field a few won through various Trials).

 So Ice Hellion is included on the MUL though but not the other 3.

For the Role?
Are you sure it is a Brawler? Is the base variant more a sniper or at least mid range platform rather then brawling? I could see the Mk.II 2 being a brawler but the original?
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #253 on: 21 March 2016, 16:09:42 »
In reverse order:
Ballistic and Rifle are redundant with each other. We haven't had a chance to remove the extra one.

I'll see if I can get the 0 changed to a 5 on the Elemental when I get home from the hospital tonight.

The Mad Cat is more of a mid range brawler. Brawlers are not short ranged units. Brawlers are also called troopers. The CIH entry for the Civil War era is most likely in error. I'll confirm and update.

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« Reply #254 on: 21 March 2016, 16:13:52 »
Much appreciated thank you!

If it ends up not an error can you look into seeing if Wolf and Falcon are maybe missing if using the same sentence I quoted as backing for CIH?
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« Reply #255 on: 23 March 2016, 19:03:00 »
Jinggau JN-G7L, MUL entry http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1707/jinggau-jn-g7l

Comes up as available in Clan Invasion period. As per the MUL, introduction date 3068, Era Jihad, with the note "There was one protoype in 3059 that failed. ".

Problem: if the only existing unit in 3059 - singular - failed, then there's no unit available in Clan Invasion period.

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« Reply #256 on: 23 March 2016, 19:47:49 »
But how can I start that secret Liao super army? Looking through the working files, it had a date of 3059. I have no clue when that got changed as more recent files have the correct date. It is fixed now.

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« Reply #257 on: 23 March 2016, 20:12:22 »
Problem: Prototype misspelled in that Jinggau entry. Huge problem, I know.
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« Reply #258 on: 23 March 2016, 20:25:07 »
But how can I start that secret Liao super army? Looking through the working files, it had a date of 3059. I have no clue when that got changed as more recent files have the correct date. It is fixed now.

I think there was a placeholder entry for a "JN-G6L" prototype with the 3059 date from back when I was inventing dates for everything, since I wasn't sure if it would see the light of day or not. This was well before it was decided to have the MUL track faction availability, and we were including everything and the kitchen sink just in case it was useful down the road. Perhaps its entry just got merged with the JN-G7L by accident. My working files are long-gone, of course, but this was probably my mistake.
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« Reply #259 on: 23 March 2016, 20:57:35 »
You can take the blame for the typo of prototype. The date and faction data is mine.  ;)

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« Reply #260 on: 23 March 2016, 21:09:35 »
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« Reply #261 on: 24 March 2016, 10:42:20 »
Fiddling with Watchdog CEWS units, or "WAT" Special, the following units are missing the "ECM" "LPRB" specials and their requisite conversion cost (Ground Force Bonuses, Alpha Strike Companion table p.140), or +3 PV each.

Hankyu F : http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6940/hankyu-arctic-cheetah-f
Parash 2: http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2427/parash-2
Tiburon (Standard) : http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6552/tiburon-standard
Wight -4NC Dezgra : http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5600/wight-wgt-4nc-dezgra
Beowulf IIC PR :  http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7294/beowulf-iic-pr
Ursus 3  :  http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5329/ursus-3
Gladiator G : http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6841/gladiator-executioner-g
Daishi E  : http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6833/daishi-dire-wolf-e
Sulla F : http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6816/sulla-f
Ostrogoth D : http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6810/ostrogoth-d
Jengiz X  : http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4398/jengiz-x
Scytha F  : http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6808/scytha-f
Scytha X  :  http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5003/scytha-x

Edit Calculations were done by hand for Daishi E, Gladiator G, Hankyu F, Parash 2, Beowulf IIC (PR and Standard), and Scytha (F and X) via their respective record sheets/TROs

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The Hankyu [F] also should have a Jump value of 12", {currently 8"}; though this should not change it's MF calculation (not it's top speed, still uses jump movement)
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Beowulf IIC (Standard) -- Among the listed Specials, it's missing the WAT special (per RS_Prototypes), and should be added for Search Result purposes.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #262 on: 24 March 2016, 12:36:23 »
Something I discovered when making a custom card for a small craft:

A threshold value will only display on the card if the type is "AF" or "CF".  I know DropShips and such with multiple firing arcs are beyond the scope of that tool, but small craft (SC) should be able use the same card as fighters.

Addendum: In addition to losing TH values, putting SC under type also removes the aerospace extreme range band.

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« Reply #263 on: 24 March 2016, 14:21:18 »
Fiddling with Watchdog CEWS units, or "WAT" Special, the following units are missing the "ECM" "LPRB" specials and their requisite conversion cost (Ground Force Bonuses, Alpha Strike Companion table p.140), or +3 PV each.


I'll attempt to tackle these tonight.  Thanks.

EDIT: All done.  Thanks again.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #264 on: 24 March 2016, 14:24:10 »
Something I discovered when making a custom card for a small craft:

A threshold value will only display on the card if the type is "AF" or "CF".  I know DropShips and such with multiple firing arcs are beyond the scope of that tool, but small craft (SC) should be able use the same card as fighters.

Addendum: In addition to losing TH values, putting SC under type also removes the aerospace extreme range band.

Units small craft sized or larger are not supported by the MUL at this time.  It's not just the custom card generator, we can't do canon units of those types correctly either.  I don't expect to see that capability added any time soon unfortunately.
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« Reply #265 on: 24 March 2016, 15:13:14 »
Infantry BV calculations are incorrect for Total Warfare units.

It would appear that they are using the older infantry weapon tables rather than from the newer errata tables.
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« Reply #266 on: 25 March 2016, 21:18:14 »
Total Warfare Foot Platoon (Flamer) BV calculated using single support weapon while TW shows the platoon as using two.

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« Reply #267 on: 26 March 2016, 20:09:59 »
House Davion Gauss Infantry:

Not sure where this one fits. HB House Davion, TechManual, or MUL.

According the HBHD Gauss Infantry are supposed to carry 6 M345B3 Thunderstroke II Gauss rifles.
The MUL gives this unit an intro date of 3061
TechManual has an intro on the rifle of 3062

Which needs errata. Should the rifles intro be changed? Does the intro for the three infantry units on the MUL need to change to 3062?

Based just on HBHD I would think that the MUL intro should be changed to 3062. This may be a simple change for the MUL or may require further discussion among TPTB

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #268 on: 27 March 2016, 16:42:06 »
Fiddling with Watchdog CEWS units, or "WAT" Special, the following units are missing the "ECM" "LPRB" specials and their requisite conversion cost (Ground Force Bonuses, Alpha Strike Companion table p.140), or +3 PV each.

Gladiator G : http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6841/gladiator-executioner-g


http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/ExtensionCard/952?extensionid=1043

Reads squad 0 instead of 5

Have these been corrected?
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« Reply #269 on: 28 March 2016, 09:45:05 »
The three units from OTP: Capellan Crusades are missing

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