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BattleTech Player Boards => Fan Art => Topic started by: marauder648 on 27 April 2016, 11:39:09
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All comments are from our discussion via email.
The Nightlord Class battleship
http://i.imgur.com/ef99xT0.jpg
The Nightlord i was figuring from what you were saying that the main visual problem was that derpy section attached to the bottom. I thinned the center hull section and enlarged and moved the butt-box to more form along the lower side of the center hull. The overall ship is longer too, as befitting a ship more than a kilometer long.
Both pictures have a little Overlord dropship pictured with them as well. Mostly that's so i can keep a sense of scale of the various bits, and it's really up to you if i keep them when these get finished up. Let me know what you think, if there are changes/alterations needed. Or if you'd like me to take a whole different stab at them.
SLDF Era Congress (and hell keep it as the Clan era one too because the 90's era PC mouse of doom looks bloody aweful).
http://i.imgur.com/NMoydB0.jpg
The main problem with the old congress was really that there was no differentiation in it's sections. It was really just one big sausage tube. I've added some character to the different parts and streamlined much of it to better convey that it's a fairly fast warship. On the side wings i filled in their structure and made them the housing for the broadside missile launchers. As well as the location for the two docking collars at the wing root. The engine section also a big more evident, again for the speed angle.
What do you folks think?
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Congress isn't bad, but I do like the '90s PC Mouse o' Doom.
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Looks good.
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I really like that Congress!
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Wow! I love em both!
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Mr Plog finished these not too long ago and are our ideas on different art for the Nightlord class battleship and the Congress class frigate.
The Nightlords art was imo a bit...iffy, it had that weird box structure on the underside but otherwise it was just a block of flats or the universes most angry flying retail store. And for something over a km long it looked squat, short and just plain dull. Not the disaster of the redone Texas but just...it was a space Volvo estate. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/1993_Volvo_240_Classic_Estate,_front_right.jpg )
The other one is the Congress, the original art for that was very nice, if a bit plain, it was just a big long tube, and the re-done art made it look like some kind of weird cordless mouse or a very strange toy you bought down the corner store for your cat. I wasn't a fan of the redone one either so asked Plog to modernise the original art and bring both the Congress and Nightlord (who of the two needed the most work) up to more modern art standards.
So with my old man grumbling out of the way...I give you the Nightlord and Congress. Well...links for them, as the pictures are freaking HUGE.
http://i.imgur.com/CQC3TaL.jpg
The CJF Emerald Talon
http://i.imgur.com/6tcd4vb.jpg
The NCS True Vision
Thoughts and comments are always welcome and the artists page can be found here;
http://mattplog.deviantart.com/
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I love'em. That Nightlord looks badass. And that Congress...
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Those are excellent!
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I'm glad ya like, Plog was a pleasure to work with :) And there's been a small edit to the pics, they now have their Clan markings on them.
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Damn, now that's what I was talking about!! O0 O0
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I like the Nightlord, not too sure about the Congress
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Threads merged for reader convenience. Plog does nice work, and putting it all in one thread makes it easier to find! ;)
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These new ones are great!
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Aye if he opens up for commissions again i'll definately have to see if I can get some more :) And i've already got my eyes on two ships that need work.
The Potemkin (It was redone as a Bussard ramjet...why???) and the Vincent Mk42 which should not ever ever ever look like some kind of decorative tea strainer or a whistle.
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I would rather see Star Adder markings on both ( ;) ), but both are true beauties O0
Very well done and thank you very much for sharing.
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Pretty snazzy drawings.
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Some good news, Mr Plog's working on two more ships for me :D With luck will see what they look like in a few days.
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Some good news, Mr Plog's working on two more ships for me :D With luck will see what they look like in a few days.
Cool. I hope you enjoy them.
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Cool. I hope you enjoy them.
I'll be sharing them with folks here of course :)
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New Units Approaching!
These are the sketches and parts of the discussion me and Mr Plog had.
Potemkin class Transport Cruiser
http://i.imgur.com/N8VMCys.jpg
The original art for it was pretty damn decent but the re-working...they turned it into a Bussard Ramjet for some bloody unknown reason :s Or a space man's sex toy.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/c/c9/Potemkin_3057.jpg
*shudders*
The idea I had was for a somewhat less...towering vessel, instead of having the dropship ports seemingly splashed all over it how about in groups of five on the lower flanks?
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The final group of five could be along her dorsal or ventral hull. This arrangement would mean that once the dropships are away, the firing arcs for her guns are not obscured quite so much and just looks neater instead of a scattering of collars all over the hull. It also allows you to cut the hull height down so they are not quite so galleon like.
But these ships are also verrrry functional and blocky, curves and the like are great for a Warship to present a smaller profile or the like but these are troopships and would probably carry their troops onboard (god knows why they had a single grav-deck :s ) so curves and the like would just make it harder to maximise use of hull space.
They are basically these ships - http://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/tarawa1.jpg in their role, and they are not an elegant looking vessel, they are functional and efficient.
And Plog's reply.
Potempkin. So the majority of the dropship rings are moved to the keel, as suggested, in four groups of 5. The drum section they run along is actually the housing for the grav deck. Though only a 95m diameter, a measure of comfort rather than capacity, it could easily be 7-800m long. With the drop ships attaching so closely moving troops on and off would be a simpler affair. Foreward from the Gdeck section the shaft for the main keel elevator can bee seen. With the majority of the keel dedicated to dropships and their loads along the grav deck, and the top of the midship dedicated to the NPPC bays and their massive accompanying heat systems. The bow becomes the logical place where all the cargo space ends up. So direct access for the troops on the grav deck to their supplies is important. The remaining 5 dropship colars are mounted fore-dorsally and are likely reserved for the dropships that will be flying cover for the carrier. The cargo and small craft doors and bays are also located on the front, below the diamond of naval lasers.
Vincent Mk42 Class Corvette.
http://i.imgur.com/nSLb6Vg.jpg
Again the original art for them wasn't bad but the re-done art turned the poor thing into a bloody referee's whistle.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/2/20/Vincent_Mk_39.jpg
Small enough that you'd see their four NAC-10's (front/aft left and right quarter mounted in single turrets) the Vincent is more a patrol ship than a warship (why this thing had 92,000 tonnes of cargo space is beyond me :s )
And that's how I see them, as a kind of mixture of the worlds angriest Coast Guard vessel and a small escort ship in time of war. They could jump to where a ships in distress and aid the crew and ship, even act as mobile tankers and supply caches (what with that obscene cargo capacity)
I know I'm just rambling here so I'll stop :p The vague idea I had was that again you kind of keep the original design just make it a bit less...sausage shaped like you did with the Congress, but perhaps have those docking bay like areas (this thing can't take dropships) have some (retracted and folded up) manipulator arms/clamps or something for when she has to come alongside a ship for boarding/inspections. But unlike the Congress, don't make them look sleek and built like a speedster.
I'm not sure how to describe it other than..dumpy instead of svelt.
And Plog's reply.
Vincent. Though that whistle look is terrible, i understand why it changed from the old version. It's just too heavy and short to justify the "long" configuration. It needs to be kinda squared off, with big ass engines. It'd also help to justify it's good maneuverability, being just as easy to turn in more directions as any other. Now, the vincent has very little armor, so all the bulkiness it's showing off is just "puffer fishing", with much of those outer sections likely being the rediculous cargo space you were talking about. Fact, the large opening on the view-able side is the main cargo door, with the small craft door on the other side. The two fighter craft doors are mounted high on either side of the center hull facing forward. I added the flanges from the older version, both for looks and as excellent places to mount attitude thrust from. Also changed the sail reefing mechanism.
What do you folks think?
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I'm not liking the Potemkin, the dockingarea is way too compact. The Vincent is fine.
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I'm not liking the Potemkin, the dockingarea is way too compact. The Vincent is fine.
Aye spotted that and sent it up to him.
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That Vincent is the first to truly deviate from the 2750's aesthetic. And I love it. It just screams "fast attack patrol craft" to me.
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That Vincent is the first to truly deviate from the 2750's aesthetic. And I love it. It just screams "fast attack patrol craft" to me.
Yar Plog and I agreed that the long sleek 2750 look of the Vincent just didn't suit the class, the thing can carry a super tanker in its cargo bay and its pretty short at a mere 402 meters long, to carry that amount of cargo (97k tonnes :s ) she'd need to be more dumpy, otherwise there would be no room onboard for ANYTHING but cargo and the engines.
So we broadened the hull in a nod to the god aweful whistle of the re-done art to basically have it fit that huge mass of cargo in such a short hull.
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The new Vincent looks MUCH better than the whistle, but I have to admit I'm still partial to the original 2750 art.
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Vincent was winner of the two drawings.
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I like what is being done here (evenmore since I don't know how to hold a pencil) O:-))but I always have troubles with "squarish" ships that are as wide as long.
I might be under influence of comics, cartoons, books but I think a ship should rather be longer than wider.
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Given that the Potemkin was nicknamed the "Corncob", that seems to suggest that the docking collars fitted around it in rings. In that sense I think the 3057 art conveys that better. Not to knock Plog's rendition of it here, but I still think those collars should be spaced around the longitudinal circumference.
cheers,
Gabe
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Yar Plog and I agreed that the long sleek 2750 look of the Vincent just didn't suit the class, the thing can carry a super tanker in its cargo bay and its pretty short at a mere 402 meters long, to carry that amount of cargo (97k tonnes :s ) she'd need to be more dumpy, otherwise there would be no room onboard for ANYTHING but cargo and the engines.
So we broadened the hull in a nod to the god aweful whistle of the re-done art to basically have it fit that huge mass of cargo in such a short hull.
I didn't actually mind the short squat design. It's just that when laid out side by side, as another thread is doing, it ends up looking bulkier than heavier warships. And that utterly broke my SOD.
Given that the Potemkin was nicknamed the "Corncob", that seems to suggest that the docking collars fitted around it in rings. In that sense I think the 3057 art conveys that better. Not to knock Plog's rendition of it here, but I still think those collars should be spaced around the longitudinal circumference.
cheers,
Gabe
The fluff says 5 rings of 5 dropships each. So the 3057 art actually got that part right. It's everywhere else that they failed.
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We had discussed that, but we thought it made the ship basically look messy and would probably be a mess internally as well. The main advantage of having dropship collars splattered over it willy-nilly would be that it make docking easier. A dropship would just be able to choose or be designated a collar and go for that one which would be handy if you're docking quickly before the ship jumps. The 3057 redone space fleshlight didn't even have the dropships in symetrical groups, it was as if someone just threw darts at a drawing of it and where they landed thats where the dropship collar would go. The 2750 art seemingly had 8 in the bow in two rows of 4 and there was no sign of other collars on it at all
With a more orderly docking arrangement you'd need to have a dedicated air traffic controller and their crew telling what ships to go where. But the result would be clearer arcs for the guns which would not be potentially obscured by a dropship and it would also be easier to launch the dropships en mass as you've less risk of ships running into one another as they would all be going off on the same vectors rather than swarming out like some angry hornets.
There would also probably be internal layout benifits as well and make it easier to have the crews/troops disembarking. The Dropships docking on the belly are minutes away from the hugely long grav deck and could all be boarding it from the same point rather than all over the hull which would require a lot more tracking/rail systems for boarding the grav deck than having it all localised.
It was also more asthetically pleasing to have all the collars grouped together rather than having the ship's flank cratered like a teen with acne.
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I didn't actually mind the short squat design. It's just that when laid out side by side, as another thread is doing, it ends up looking bulkier than heavier warships. And that utterly broke my SOD.
I think what's needed is the redone Vincent alongside something else bigger, to remind you that the Vinny is barely over 400 meters long. She had to be broad as all hell because of the absurd amount of cargo the design carries, if she wasn't it would be a case of the crew literally having crawl spaces instead of corridors. A case of "This walkway was made for me!" trying to fit through it.
The Vinny's an odd ship, at 420k tonnes a full load of 97k tonnes of cargo is 23% of its full mass devoted to Cargo, yet the Vincent is also lightly armed and armoured, (yet for a SLDF ship it has a decent fuel tank) so i've always wondered where the rest of its weight has gone, unless its a design thing that engines are just obscenely heavy (and even then the Vinny isn't capable of that high an acceleration curve, its the same as a Lola III).
In reality the Vincent is not a fast attack boat, at best she's an escort and patrol craft, more a large coastguard ship (the US does have armed coastguard ships - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Cutter ) or in naval service she's the equivalent in my mind, of something like the Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate, small, cheap, built in civilian yards and designed to be mass produced.
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I like both, the redesigned Vincent as well as the Potemkin. They preserve the original lines while adding more details and a general 2016ish look.
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Concerning the Potemkin, what is on the front of the docking collars?
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Concerning the Potemkin, what is on the front of the docking collars?
not quite sure what you mean with regards to this. The collars themselves in other art especially the 3057 redone art of the ye-olde SLDF and before era are circular areas on the hull. On Plog's take on the Congress
http://i.imgur.com/6tcd4vb.jpg
You can see his version of one, that huge round area, thats a dropship collar.
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not quite sure what you mean with regards to this. The collars themselves in other art especially the 3057 redone art of the ye-olde SLDF and before era are circular areas on the hull. On Plog's take on the Congress
http://i.imgur.com/6tcd4vb.jpg
You can see his version of one, that huge round area, thats a dropship collar.
I mean that half sphere, like an imitation of TOS Star Trek Bussard collector.
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I initally thought it was part of the grav-deck rotating mechanism, but then realised its down too low. On the Potemkin there's only one grav-deck an 85 meter diameter one so instead of having the short lil doughnut grav decks this iteration has a much longer grav-deck that runs from behind the bow section (where most of the cargo is stored) to the engine decks, its about 7 - 800 meters long and to rotate something like that you're going to need some serious machinery.
But the 'bussard' as ya called it is seemingly how crew/dropship personnel and cargo can be brought from the bow section (where we put most of the cargo) into the dropships that are docked along the ventral bays :) Without thinking too much about it i'd say that crew/passengers from the dropship would probably go into this area and then up the bow section before going into the grav deck. Sure when combats coming then they would be loaded on board beforehand but otherwise they'd be in the big 'ol gravdeck instead of stuck in their dropships.
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With all the window like structures, it sounds like a Lounge then.
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With all the window like structures, it sounds like a Lounge then.
Without being able to see the (soon to be finished) final version I can't say if they are windows or not, the Grav-deck itself would be solid, probably with some scuttles and the like but not many, Btech ships are generally very light on holes in the hull if they can help it, with only the Leviathan family and the Newgrange really going outside of this norm. I would guess that the windows are just a bit of design work on the hull, the ship is quite functional in her look and it could be passed off as an artistic flourish by the designers who when told to build a large, functional warship that was mainly a troop carrier they could probably not indulge themselves in too much design flourishes.
So unlike Star Wars and Star Trek the B-tech universe does not tend to decorate its hulls with windows and well lit scuttles with the main holes in the hull being for weapon ports, docking bays and a small viewing deck that's part of the bridge (although really you'd think that their bridges would be in the center of the ship like a Warships CinC with the bridge being used mainly for navigation, but not controlling the ship.
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And here's the finished article!
The SLS Jackson - Vincent Mk 42 Class Corvette
http://i.imgur.com/cwQc3wF.jpg
The CDS Poseidon - Potemkin Class Troop Cruiser/Assault Transport.
http://i.imgur.com/9GvlNwJ.jpg
(the big stripey area on the rotating deck is a 'cut away' showing what's underneath) As always, hope you folks like 'em, any comments are most welcome.
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Extremely nice! Too bad they can't be used for canon purposes.
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Aye! But if folks want to use them in stuff, go right ahead.
And i've just noticed something. The Vinny has a kitty face! Look at the bow section with the missile launchers, that's definately a face there. You've got the eyes, the round section underneath is a mouth and in the top left and right of the boxy launcher assembly...little ear like pannels. Or am I just seeing things?
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You're not just seeing things, but I'd hesitate to say it was deliberate. The Overlord for scale on the Potemkin art really drives home how big it is. It would have been nice to have an Overlord on the Vincent art too.
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Good 'ol human pattern recognition :) Even if it was subtly deliberate I don't mind at all :3 I think with putting an Overlord in may have risen the cost for the Vincent, considering that the Overlords 101/110 meters long and the Vinny is barely over 400. It would have been a quarter as larger as she is :p
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I like em both a lot, especially the Potemkin although I could do without the cut-away (easy enough to undo in photoshop though). Thanks again for doing this, marauder.
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I'm really liking these re-imaginings of these ships.
(So, what is next on the redux list? :) )
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I'm really liking these re-imaginings of these ships.
(So, what is next on the redux list? :) )
Now thats a good question, the Volga's redone art was rancid, but a re-working of it would probably look very much like the Quixote which looks great as is. I like the re-done Essex and Lola's and the Aegis has some charm in its blocky way. The Liberator looks fine, could do with some more details, but again, we have that, its the Avatar.
So what to do next...I dunno...
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What about the Liberator colony ship? It has no art, but does have a description.
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What about the Liberator colony ship? It has no art, but does have a description.
You mean this?
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/c/c1/Liberator.jpg)
Thats the Liberator there, but its just a Clan version of
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/6/6e/AvatarWarship.JPG)
And the art for the Avatar looks fine as is.
The only other one that i've never really been too sure of is the Leviathan, I love its bow section but i'm not sure about the random tubes
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/f/fa/Rasalhague_%28Vessel%29.jpg)
That look has never 'done' it for me.
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http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5649/liberator-colony-ship-standard
Built long before JumpShip design settled on the largely uniform needle shape of later eras, the Liberator had a distinctly different shape: Its front section had the usual bulbous, cylindrical look but also sported two large hangar bays. Behind the front section, five mammoth cubes marched a line, each slightly larger than the previous one, with the final cube being fully twice the size of the smallest (first) and having three interplanetary drive nozzles jutting out. A massive cylindrical spine ran from the front section through the cubes. The Kearny-Fuchida Drive core was observed to have roughly about three times the diameter of the one on a Scout class JumpShip of later times[2].
The Liberator was not equipped with a jump sail and had to charge its Kearny-Fuchida Drive with its on-board reactors. It carried a very large amount of fuel.
Concerning the Leviathan, I completely agree. I also dislike the visual lack of turrets and launchers.
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http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5649/liberator-colony-ship-standard
Concerning the Leviathan, I completely agree. I also dislike the visual lack of turrets and launchers.
Intersting, never heard of that ship, and I think the 'problem' with the Leviathan is that she's too tall. She's little more than 200 meters longer than a McKenna, but is absurdly deep bodied and galleon like in her profile and it looks like you could stack two McKenna's atop one another and still not have their huge radiator fins sticking out above the Leviathan. If anything she's going to be a BROAD ship, not a tall one.
Making her guns show up might be a bit iffy as she's got so many she's basically this
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/abramsv/SEY3F4OsNLI/AAAAAAAATaw/snl6ulIHloI/s0/tank%2002.jpg)
And whereas the McKenna's armament is fairly uniform, the Leviathan III's is all over the shop from massive turret arrays with 12 NL55's in them to dual gauss mounts and the like.
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Intersting, never heard of that ship, and I think the 'problem' with the Leviathan is that she's too tall. She's little more than 200 meters longer than a McKenna, but is absurdly deep bodied and galleon like in her profile and it looks like you could stack two McKenna's atop one another and still not have their huge radiator fins sticking out above the Leviathan. If anything she's going to be a BROAD ship, not a tall one.
I consider the height to have been caused by the living accommodations on the transport version. A pure combat version would do without the excess structures.
Making her guns show up might be a bit iffy as she's got so many she's basically this
And whereas the McKenna's armament is fairly uniform, the Leviathan III's is all over the shop from massive turret arrays with 12 NL55's in them to dual gauss mounts and the like.
Maybe just use capital bay bubbles/blisters to hint at the number of capital weapon bays and leave out the std scale weapons?
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Well seeing as its my birthday soon (ish) at the end of the month, why not. I'll have a word with Plog.
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Very nice.
Like them both. Thank you for sharing.
If I may ask you, what does such an artwork cost?
Due possible ship classes, what about the LUXOR Heavy cruiser and FARRAGUT Battleship?
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Very nice.
Like them both. Thank you for sharing.
If I may ask you, what does such an artwork cost?
Due possible ship classes, what about the LUXOR Heavy cruiser and FARRAGUT Battleship?
The Luxor and Farragut are both very nice bits of art. This was mostly to correct the manifold errors of the 3057 redone art of the SLDF ships, most of which in my opinion were complete dogs eggs. I see the 'unseen' or forgotten ships at the back of the revised 3057 book as great and not needing work, but the redone art for the SLDF ships in Clan service were a gross injustice for many of them with only the Essex, Lola, Liberator, Aegis and Sov Soy looking decent, the others were train wrecks.
And i'll PM you the cost :)
Also this is a collection of all the ships I've had done thus far.
http://imgur.com/a/zmloy
Vincent
Potemkin
Congress
Nightlord
Were all done by - http://mattplog.deviantart.com/
Texas
Black Lion
McKenna
Were all done by - http://shimmering-sword.deviantart.com/
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These are great man!
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These are great man!
I'm glad ya like and if anyone wants to use these in anything, just drop me a line and go ahead :)
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Possibly some appropriate music...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sASfLQm9iCc
Ladies and gentlemen....
http://imgur.com/rS2XUmo
Well, while awaiting responses to sketches, i made one for you.
Given battletech's "broadside towards the enemy" style of cap ship fighting, you would think many wouldn't be so "tall". Then again, this is mainly a transport and a lot of that extra space is cargo, so it's kinda understandable. THAT being said, customer gets what they want. This is as good a squishing i can get at while maintaining some of the original Leviathan's features. At this aspect ratio the ship ends up about 6-700m meters wide and likely about 300m tall. The 8 gravdecks would be 4 to a side, with with larger diameter ones towards the front in the area covered by the rounded area. Cargo doors are accessed along the spine, and the mass of connectors for crew/passenger loading as well as the bulk of the 30k lifeboats are along the edges in between the two rounded sections. Fighters launch from the first dropship hub, and small craft from the second.
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Possibly some appropriate music...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sASfLQm9iCc
Ladies and gentlemen....
http://imgur.com/rS2XUmo
Huh, I really like that!
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Possibly some appropriate music...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sASfLQm9iCc
Ladies and gentlemen....
http://imgur.com/rS2XUmo
That looks great! Thanks for sharing with us!
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I like it. Very "beefy" looking. :)
Although, a question for you - are the "domes" on top the dropship collars? It might be just me, but if those are the collars, my concern would be two of the dropships docked on those collars could smack into one another during launch.
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They are collars but there's a lot of space between them, something is going to be added for scale but there would be room between them. And during launch there's probably something akin to air traffic control so each dropship goes up at its own time, thus avoiding any issues with launch.
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I had thought about the Air Traffic Control thing as well, but I was also thinking in terms of Emergency Scramble/Jettison in case things went south.
However you are the one doing the commissions and the results are pretty cool.
(also, I don't suppose you could get them to redo the Avalon somewhere down the road - you know, with "prongs" facing forward instead of backward? :) )
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I had thought about the Air Traffic Control thing as well, but I was also thinking in terms of Emergency Scramble/Jettison in case things went south.
However you are the one doing the commissions and the results are pretty cool.
(also, I don't suppose you could get them to redo the Avalon somewhere down the road - you know, with "prongs" facing forward instead of backward? :) )
I'd say the Avalon looked fine, I just wish I knew what the front and back of the ship was :p
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I'd say the Avalon looked fine, I just wish I knew what the front and back of the ship was :p
It was fine... until someone clarified that the tower end is the front and the "prongs" are the back... :)
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It was fine... until someone clarified that the tower end is the front and the "prongs" are the back... :)
Ahh so the art has us looking at it from the aft starboard quarter and she's moving away from us? Fair enough!
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I like the Leviathan refit sketch as a new warship design, but I kind of have a hard time seeing it as an actual Leviathan. It's just too flat, I think. I know that was the whole point of doing the commission, but it will still take some time to get used to.
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I like the Leviathan refit sketch as a new warship design, but I kind of have a hard time seeing it as an actual Leviathan. It's just too flat, I think. I know that was the whole point of doing the commission, but it will still take some time to get used to.
Hopefully Plog will put in the Vincent for scale, she's 'flat' but still around 300 meters tall, and she's around 6 - 700 meters wide at her widest. A svelt thing she is not.
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The Leviathan reminds me of mobile Shopping Mall / Beer Refinery way it's draw. No offense to Doug Chaffee, but it really doesn't look very ship like.
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I'd say the original one suffered from that, but looked more like a mobile office block and because she was absurdly tall it somehow made her look short.
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Catching up, the Black Lion, McKenna and Nightlord are still my faves but the Leviathan is pretty sweet, too.
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Ahh so the art has us looking at it from the aft starboard quarter and she's moving away from us? Fair enough!
I think the Avalon as like a 1950s style Cadillac with big fins, but in this case straight out verses flaring up.
It was interesting that so many people have always been confused that the TRO picture showing the ship leaving. It's dropship escorts are near it heading the same direction.
Lesser known picture was of Avalon being in a shipyard, where you get see a front of the ship.
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Its a nice pic too :) I think what confused me was that the engine plume did not look like engine plume, it looked like two MASSIVE lasers firing.
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It like the look of the Avalon, I just wish the actual design had the fins to the front and the tower in the back - sort of reminiscent of the Narn Ships from Babylon Five. Instead the tower is in the front and it reminds me of the Alliance Cruiser from the Firefly TV series (which you look at and go whaaaa?!?!?!?)
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It like the look of the Avalon, I just wish the actual design had the fins to the front and the tower in the back - sort of reminiscent of the Narn Ships from Babylon Five. Instead the tower is in the front and it reminds me of the Alliance Cruiser from the Firefly TV series (which you look at and go whaaaa?!?!?!?)
Yeah the long rearward prongs do look kind of like a Bin'tak class dreadnought;
(http://www.oocities.org/b5bloodyskies/BintakDreadnaughtTechnical.jpg)
If the bridge was at the 'front' of the picture instead of being at the actual bow... Oh well!
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Well the big boy's done :) A great (slightly early) Birthday present she is too!
My 'beef' with the Leviathan is that it was too tall, her massive height (easily 400 meters from looking at the pics). This combined to somehow make a 1600+ meter long ship look somehow quite short and squat. Also the SPACE PIPES!!! (possibly related to SPACE PANTS! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwpmqMnngRk ) I would assume they are some form of docking collar but NOT dropship collars.
So Plog went ahead and flattened out the Leviathan, whilst keeping it's general asthetic and look mostly intact. She's still tall, at about 300 meters, but she's now 6 - 700 meters wide at her widest part. And as a lil in thing, the engine section is modelled after that on Spaceball 1 :p
And there is a banana for scale! Because a dropship would barely be visible, Plogg added the Vincent, so you've got a 400 meter long ship for scale.
http://i.imgur.com/dLFRR9e.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MfceSax.jpg
Art by the AMAZING - http://mattplog.deviantart.com/
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Sweet!
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Well the big boy's done :) A great (slightly early) Birthday present she is too!
My 'beef' with the Leviathan is that it was too tall, her massive height (easily 400 meters from looking at the pics). This combined to somehow make a 1600+ meter long ship look somehow quite short and squat. Also the SPACE PIPES!!! (possibly related to SPACE PANTS! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwpmqMnngRk ) I would assume they are some form of docking collar but NOT dropship collars.
So Plog went ahead and flattened out the Leviathan, whilst keeping it's general asthetic and look mostly intact. She's still tall, at about 300 meters, but she's now 6 - 700 meters wide at her widest part. And as a lil in thing, the engine section is modelled after that on Spaceball 1 :p
And there is a banana for scale! Because a dropship would barely be visible, Plogg added the Vincent, so you've got a 400 meter long ship for scale.
http://i.imgur.com/dLFRR9e.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MfceSax.jpg
Art by the AMAZING - http://mattplog.deviantart.com/
Dude, this is incredible! I'm not sure why you're doing this, but I am really, really glad you are.
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That's amazing art work done. Certainly made her prettier.
In risking at being yelled at as a nitpick, but isn't the Leviathan bit small in-comparison to the Vincent cruising behind her?
I''d think she was bigger.
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That's amazing art work done. Certainly made her prettier.
In risking at being yelled at as a nitpick, but isn't the Leviathan bit small in-comparison to the Vincent cruising behind her?
I''d think she was bigger.
The Vincent is like a pufferfish, trying to scare others away with a lot of empty volume. ;)
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That's amazing art work done. Certainly made her prettier.
In risking at being yelled at as a nitpick, but isn't the Leviathan bit small in-comparison to the Vincent cruising behind her?
I''d think she was bigger.
The original art for the Levi makes her look quite squat and dumpy because its so damn tall, what Plog's done here is flatten her out and broaden her, the scale is that the Vincent is flying JUST beneath her with a few tens of meters to spare between them. The Vincent isn't that small, its 400 meters long and with her being that close it does give a sense of scale
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Wow, wow, wow.
Fantastic!
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The Vincent is like a pufferfish, trying to scare others away with a lot of empty volume. ;)
Um yeah...but its armament isn't exactly the naval equivalent of tetrodotoxin. :D
cheers,
Gabe
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Um yeah...but its armament isn't exactly the naval equivalent of tetrodotoxin. :D
cheers,
Gabe
True in Warship terms the Vincent's about as threatning as a kitten nibbling on your finger :p But she tries hard bless her!
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Um yeah...but its armament isn't exactly the naval equivalent of tetrodotoxin. :D
cheers,
Gabe
Well it can destroy other warships, if it can get close enough to jump out next to them........ But if that happens, then the enemy captain is too dumb to live anyway.
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Well it can destroy other warships, if it can get close enough to jump out next to them........ But if that happens, then the enemy captain is too dumb to live anyway.
Basically this is what a Vincent does when it sees anything it thinks is a threat.
(http://i.imgur.com/tdsnI6W.jpg)
The Vinny is a patrol boat and armed coast guard vessel, against dropships and operating in squadrons she's happy, but a lone Vincent is a sad and nervous Vincent, easily startled and skittish.
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Ships are on their way! ETA ...some time soon.
Lets see if you can ID the classes.
http://i.imgur.com/Bd9EFgk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kL4XEQF.jpg
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Sovetskii Soyuz and Liberator (Cruiser)?
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Sovetskii Soyuz and Liberator (Cruiser)?
Aff! Well done, your ration for this week includes an extra lb of rice.
Also do ya like 'em?
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Cruisers have arrived!
The Liberator Class Cruiser CSJ Korat
http://i.imgur.com/V0xuo1P.jpg
And the Sovetskii Soyuz Class (glorified over hyped frigate) Ahem...Cruiser CWS Dire Wolf
http://i.imgur.com/gZAo0tu.jpg
With these ones we kept mostly with the re-done art's general design but Plog brought them up to modern standards. With the Liberator the rear was bulked out slightly to go in line with the fluff about her having a great cargo capacity (which isn't backed up by the rules and as a cruiser has the smallest cargo capacity of any Clan warship its size). You can still see hints of the original art's design as well as nods to the Avatar's art in it.
With the Sov Soy the 'cobra hood' of the hull was extended further up the neck to make it look a bit more strutrually solid rather than a SHOOT ME HERE FOR MAXIMUM DAMAGE design flaw. The engine bay was also enlarged to accommodate her wider hull and neck faring, with the addition of a second main thruster, instead of there just being one massive main drive, there's now two smaller ones. I liked the general design of the re-done art even if I think the Sovietskii Soyuz is a TERRIBLE ship and should just be re-rated as a Frigate so the general design remained the same, just brought up to Plog's amazing modern standards of art.
I hope you guy's like 'em :)
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They look great, good work by Plug, thanks!
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sexy, i truely wish they could be used as replacement images for 3057 Revised stuff.
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sexy, i truely wish they could be used as replacement images for 3057 Revised stuff.
Well if you want to go ahead and do it :) Go for it! Hell i'd love to sit down and do a fan based revised fluff 3057 using this art, but I'm not sure how to pay out stuff on Adobe and the like.
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Just spotted this thread for the first time. LOVE the art. All of it. My personal favorites are the Congress and the Liberator. But really, its all great stuff.
Well done!
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Just spotted this thread for the first time. LOVE the art. All of it. My personal favorites are the Congress and the Liberator. But really, its all great stuff.
Well done!
Thank you Mr Grant :) Plog and Shimmering sword did all the hard work though :)
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Great, wonderful designs.
Could you maybe choose a Star Adder ship, if you do more redesings? This would be very appreciated.
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Really glad you still keep doing these, marauder! they almost all are huge improvements over the original art and I'm particularly glad that you decided to take on some of the 3057 artworks rather than those of the older (newer?) ones that I usually choose to ignore because of their boring and odd looks.
As for your Adobe/fan-tro problem... you might want to turn to the dark side of the force internet for this one... #P
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Really glad you still keep doing these, marauder! they almost all are huge improvements over the original art and I'm particularly glad that you decided to take on some of the 3057 artworks rather than those of the older (newer?) ones that I usually choose to ignore because of their boring and odd looks.
As for your Adobe/fan-tro problem... you might want to turn to the dark side of the force internet for this one... #P
Gaiiten i'm sure we'll see a Star Adder ship in the future, there will be a Raven too :p
And thankee Phobos :) Most of the 3057 art just ruined the ships, but now we're getting onto the ships I like the basic look of. I always liked the look of the 3057 Sov Soy, the flared cobra hood and long neck made her look more like a space ship than the others and almost manga/anime esque in her look like something from Macross;
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/e7/30/35/e7303541f59951e88d7faf557714eb54.jpg
I liked the Liberator's general look too, but both needed to be redone and re-worked by Plog so they looked just better and with more detail rather than done on an etch-a-sketch. In discussion with Plog (and Shimmering sword) we always talked about what they might look like. TRO2750's big 'problem' was that all the ships were basically long sausage tubes for the most part and were a bit generic. And whilst we agreed that for the most part many of the 3057 art was just...not good, with classes being so radically altered to be complete and utter rebuilds rather than just cosmetic changes (Texas, McKenna, Congress, Vincent for example) we did opt to keep some of the looks in some cases (making the vincent squat and broad for example, in a faint nod to the ref's whistle design of the 3057 art, and a nod to her OBSCENE cargo capacity which would not fit in a short but thin vessel unless you had the walk ways be literal crawl spaces).
I do plan (when I have some more money) on finishing off the rest (if Plog's still taking commissions) and of those there's only two that REALLY need work. The Volga, which is just a rancid design (why, WHY is it a Bussard ramjet!?) And the Fredassa which is a mess. But the remainder, the Essex, Lola 3, Aegis, Whirlwind and Cameron, like the Sov Soy, I like the basic design and look but they need to be brought up to modern art standards. The only one I won't have done is the York. Yes the original art for it makes it look like a book end or door wedge (HOLD THE DOOR!) but its still basically a Riga II
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/1/1a/Riga.jpg
just bung some more launch bays on it and its pretty much done, and as that art is damn good, there's no point in repeating it.
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Do you think Plog would go for a small craft? My crude stretch and trim job on the Mark VII (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=50256.0) (to make the internal cargo bay actually fit) cries out for a proper redraw...
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Do you think Plog would go for a small craft? My crude stretch and trim job on the Mark VII (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=50256.0) (to make the internal cargo bay actually fit) cries out for a proper redraw...
Almost certinally, the best thing you can do is ask him, he's drawn things from people sized to big warships :p So a small ship won't be a problem :)
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Cool... now I just have to dig up the PM you sent me... Thanks! O0
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These are once again awesome!
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If you guys and gals want to use these pictures in anything, feel free :)
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The Nightlords art was imo a bit...iffy, it had that weird box structure on the underside but otherwise it was just a block of flats or the universes most angry flying retail store. And for something over a km long it looked squat, short and just plain dull. Not the disaster of the redone Texas but just...it was a space Volvo estate. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/1993_Volvo_240_Classic_Estate,_front_right.jpg )
As someone whose first car was in fact a Volvo 240 wagon, I approve of this. :D
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Unidentified vessels approaching!
http://i.imgur.com/YYoZALm.jpg
and
http://i.imgur.com/RJKI9mZ.jpg
Can you tell what they are?
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Unidentified vessels approaching!
http://i.imgur.com/YYoZALm.jpg
and
http://i.imgur.com/RJKI9mZ.jpg
Can you tell what they are?
An Quixote Frigate and an Essex Destroyer?
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Close...and yes :)
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Avatar Heavy Cruiser?
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I was thinking the same thing
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Nope not an Avatar, Maingunnery was close with the Quixote though.
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Nope not an Avatar, Maingunnery was close with the Quixote though.
Volga?
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The first image looks an awful lot like a Thera...
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Volga?
Got it! :) We retained the Quioxte's bow layout but fattened her up to make her look more transporty instead of being a bussard ramjet of the original art.
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Got it! :) We retained the Quioxte's bow layout but fattened her up to make her look more transporty instead of being a bussard ramjet of the original art.
I had considered the Volga before, but the number of Docking Collars pointed to the Quixote.
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Yeah Plog's fixing the docking collars for the final version :)
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O0
Excellent!
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Second ship is a Sovetskii Soyuz from the looks of it.
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Second ship is a Sovetskii Soyuz from the looks of it.
Nahh.. Sov Soy was redone in the previous page.
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Nahh.. Sov Soy was redone in the previous page.
Oops, your right. It's new Essex!
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Again Marauder, this is really big of you to share this with us. PLOG does great work and this is a really cool project.
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Thank you :) Its not a finished project yet. Still more to go!
Ships left include...
Lola III
Fredassa (god that thing is a MESS)
Whirlwind
Cameron
Aegis
And finally, the McKenna, but not the original 2750 work but a look at the re-done 3057 design for it which, in something I am working on.... will be fluffed as one of the 6 Command McKenna's of which the McKenna's Pride was one of them.
So one of these beasties.
(http://orig02.deviantart.net/46bd/f/2012/115/b/e/mckenna_warship_by_shortpainter-d4xlbrm.jpg)
They look great, but you'd not be able to rebuild the McKenna into it via hull upgrades, those kinds of structural differences would have to be built that way. Its why I think most of the 3057 TRO art is for completely different classes with some of the Clan 'refits' the structural alterations are so massive that it just would be a completely different craft not a rebuild of a SLDF era ship.
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Thank you :) Its not a finished project yet. Still more to go!
Ships left include...
Lola III
Fredassa (god that thing is a MESS)
Whirlwind
Cameron
Aegis
And finally, the McKenna, but not the original 2750 work but a look at the re-done 3057 design for it which, in something I am working on.... will be fluffed as one of the 6 Command McKenna's of which the McKenna's Pride was one of them.
So one of these beasties.
(http://orig02.deviantart.net/46bd/f/2012/115/b/e/mckenna_warship_by_shortpainter-d4xlbrm.jpg)
They look great, but you'd not be able to rebuild the McKenna into it via hull upgrades, those kinds of structural differences would have to be built that way. Its why I think most of the 3057 TRO art is for completely different classes with some of the Clan 'refits' the structural alterations are so massive that it just would be a completely different craft not a rebuild of a SLDF era ship.
I head cannoned it that upgrading warships (2750-3057 art) actually requires totally disassembling them and then putting them back togeher with the parts in a new arrangement; thus the new hull shape.
I think few of the 3057 designs can be simply explained visually as variations over time or something less major than a Picasso-style rebuild.
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Oh indeed, it would be a HUGE rebuild for most of the classes, and it would be pointless rebuilds that simply would not be needed or done considering 99% of the clans bias towards warships, such a massive project would be seen as a HUGE waste of resources outside of the Ravens.
And to get a trainwreck like the 3057 Texas from the 2750 Texas design, thats not even a rebuild thats a completely new hull. And don't get me started on the Black Lion...god that thing was ugly!
But for the remaining ships, I like the general idea of how they looked, i'm gonna head canon that the Lola III looked so different to the CASPAR drone Lola because the Caspar is what you get if you strip the Lola of all things that humans need and replace it with hull bracing and armour etc.
So the remaining ships will kinda look like their 3057 versions (apart from the Freddy, as that thing was about as appealing as a melon dropped off a high rise flat onto a cowpat) but the Lola 3, the Whirlwind, the Cameron and Aegis will all look at least a bit like their 3057 incarnations, just altered to bring them up to modern art standards.
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Well, the Clanners add harjel, which I feel to be a non-trival system. They also go to DHS, also non-trivial (twice the bulk at least) and in some cases better armour.
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New units joining the fleet
http://i.imgur.com/q92yy9m.jpg
The CHH Mount Olympus a Volga class transport.
And
http://i.imgur.com/wjPR6Gv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kPEuA6j.jpg
The CCS Stormrage an Essex Class destroyer.
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NICE!!!!
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O0 [applause] [rockon]
Wonderful.
Again thank you very much for sharing these great redesigns.
BTW If I may recommend you a certain ship for the McKenna, what about the Star Adders` SAS Sovereign Right while it is doing the orbital bombardment on the Blood Spirit`s homeworld of York in August 3074?
One of the most iconic (and darkest) moments in the Wars of Reaving.
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That sounds like a plan, I'm hopefully gonna get Plog to do a take on the 3057 art of the McKenna, she could be that one.
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This would be really great!
She is the Adders`s flagship and so I think she might be one of the to Command vessel updated McKennas.
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Those are fantastic. With Matt Plog doing the Volga, will that lead to the Quixote being done? O:-)
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Those are fantastic. With Matt Plog doing the Volga, will that lead to the Quixote being done? O:-)
Nah the Quioxte's art is fine, the 'unseen' 3057 ships in the updated book are great and they won't get touched. Basically its down to the final six, and of those 5 I like the generalised look of. The one that's going to get the most work is the Fredasa because it needs the most work, but the remaining 5, the Whirlwind, Lola III, Aegis, Cameron and 3057 McKenna are going to be brought up to more modern standards through the medium of Plog's art, and will look roughly similar to their 3057 art, although the Lola III will probably look more like a hybrid of the 3057 design and the 2750/CASPAR design, the way I look at it is that the CASPAR is a Lola stripped of all its 'pointless' things, life support crew walk ways, grav deck etc. It simply don't need them. The Lola III will look like a mix of the two.
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These are amazing!
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That is such a awesome picture.
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Great project you got going here Marauder648. Very awesome art by Plog!
Thank you!
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Cheers folks :) Plog's a tad busy at the moment with commissions from companies so personal ones naturally take a back seat. But there are two more ships coming.
I'm also going to work with someone on this forum to put together a Janes Fighting WarShips (renamed naturally) PDF, its not going to have rules, just fluff and background. This will have head canon thrown in so its not just a re-hash of TRO-2750/3057's stuff.
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Cheers folks :) Plog's a tad busy at the moment with commissions from companies so personal ones naturally take a back seat. But there are two more ships coming.
I'm also going to work with someone on this forum to put together a Janes Fighting WarShips (renamed naturally) PDF, its not going to have rules, just fluff and background. This will have head canon thrown in so its not just a re-hash of TRO-2750/3057's stuff.
That's would be awesome!!
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These are some great photos
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New vessels sighted...
http://imgur.com/Vs9oCEm
http://imgur.com/VsnKV2V
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New vessels sighted...
http://imgur.com/Vs9oCEm
An all so much better looking Fredasa
http://imgur.com/VsnKV2V
Lola?
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Yeah the Freddy needed a LOT of work to make it look decent, it just looked so wrong and what on earth were those half football things hanging under it?
And no it's not a Lola III, think older.
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Very nice, looks like a Fredasa and a Whirlwind. Can't wait to see the finished product.
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Very nice, looks like a Fredasa and a Whirlwind. Can't wait to see the finished product.
Bingo! The 2nd ships the Whirlwind. She's one of the ships I liked the general look of, she's suppose to be fast so the smaller engine arrays are added, but she's still basically like the original design, the 'ram bow' had to stay.
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Bingo! The 2nd ships the Whirlwind. She's one of the ships I liked the general look of, she's suppose to be fast so the smaller engine arrays are added, but she's still basically like the original design, the 'ram bow' had to stay.
These are great!
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New vessels sighted...
http://imgur.com/Vs9oCEm
http://imgur.com/VsnKV2V
Pretty good! Im looking to the finshed products!
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Pretty good! Im looking to the finshed products!
Me too Wrangler, I've got to say I am really enjoying this project. Thanks again marauder648 and lets not forget Plog as well! Keep them coming!!
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Thank you :) Plog's great and there's a few more to come yet and once they are all done i'm going to do an Armchair Admiral's 'book', not rules and weapons stats etc, but fluff, that will include a fair bit of head canon and expanding on the fluff. I'm NOT just going to copy TRO-2750/3057 when I do Delranes Fighting Ships. 3061 edition.
I'm starting on the writing part, and its just a case of making sure it reads well, a friend of mine is gonna help with the PDF as well. If anyone wants to have a look at what i've written thus far, PM me and i'll lob it your way.
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Very cool, I am working on a fan TRO myself write now. :) One of my future projects is a Clan Naval Program and I'd love to see what you have.
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Emergence!
http://i.imgur.com/jGMDiyT.jpg
The Whirlwind class Destroyer CSV Constrictor with her thrusters firing at full burn as she accelerates towards an intruder in Clan Steel Viper space.
http://i.imgur.com/IkJF3RC.jpg
The Fredasa class Corvette CIH Hellion's Pride deploying her dropship days prior to the fateful Hellions Fury assault against Clan Jade Falcon.
Art by the AMAZING Matt Plog and yes, more will be coming in the future.
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Wow they are very impressive, especially the Whirlwind. O0
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Thank ya :) With the Whirlwind I wanted Plogg to keep the original design kind of similar. Because the Whirlwind is an older design, she's more blocky and chunky looking, slab sided and basically a fist (especially with that 'ram bow' design). And she was brought up to modern standards of art by Plog.
The Freddy needed the most work, it just looked horrid and was one of the dog's egg designs of TRO-3057 (visually anyhow, stats wise she's a mean little thing!). She had to be fattened up and given a belly instead of those two half disk things in the original art that hung beneath her..somehow. As there simply wasn't any room for the dropship to go or grav-deck. The enlarged engine and thruster array also make her look like she can reach the 4g of thrust she's billed as being able to hit.
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Dear God this art is drop dead gorgeous! I so dearly wish it could be made canon.
Thank you again for having this commissioned, Marauder648!
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Wow! More please.....
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More are coming, but there's only 4 left to do now. So two more pairs, getting a bit larger with the next two though.
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Wow! Those look great Marauder!
My compliments to PLOG on his work.
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SLDF-01
http://imgur.com/Mqp9xNW
By our very own Colourbrand - http://colourbrand.deviantart.com/
She's not finished yet but is based on the McKenna redesign;
http://imgur.com/IclWc6r
Done by Shimmering sword - http://shimmering-sword.deviantart.com/
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SDF-01? ;D
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McKenna's Pride :P
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Wow! More please.....
Moar!? You want MOAR!????!
You folks should be able to identify them with a fair bit of ease.
http://i.imgur.com/yAM6Olg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ypGty1u.jpg
These are the WIP's.
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Very nice Lola III and Aegis (3057 version) drawings!
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Aye :) A pleasant surprise to see when I woke up this morning :)
With the Aegis I wanted to keep close to the 3057 design because I simply like the look of it, but steer her away from being a rectangle with a bloated belly. The bow had to stay because that just looks awesome but you'll spot that all her guns are in turrets. She's an older generation of ship and built for close in work, turrets come in handy and add to the 'old timey' feel :)
With the Lola III I wanted hints of the 3057 design crossed with Plog's already outstanding work on the CASPAR M5. That vessel is what happens if you strip a Lola III down to her hull and remove all those pesky things that humans need. Obviously that had to stay on the redesign. So whilst the hull has echoes of the 3057 design the engines are very heavily influenced by the CASPAR's. Resulting in a hybrid of the two.
As always all credit to Matt Plog :)
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Aye :) A pleasant surprise to see when I woke up this morning :)
With the Aegis I wanted to keep close to the 3057 design because I simply like the look of it, but steer her away from being a rectangle with a bloated belly. The bow had to stay because that just looks awesome but you'll spot that all her guns are in turrets. She's an older generation of ship and built for close in work, turrets come in handy and add to the 'old timey' feel :)
It's nice that the Aegis retained the dual thruster set up that disappeared in the 3057 art.
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Very nice! Can't wait to see the finished product!!
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http://i.imgur.com/DGT0EBI.jpg
The CGS Corona Borealis under way.
And;
http://i.imgur.com/fXMW33Z.jpg
The CCS Honor of Ages out on patrol.
All credit to http://mattplog.deviantart.com/ For the amazing art, and the project is nearing its end. But Delranes Fighting Ships 3066 is being written :)
And the Master List
By Matt Plog - http://mattplog.deviantart.com/
http://i.imgur.com/jGMDiyT.jpg - Whirlwind Class Destroyer
http://i.imgur.com/IkJF3RC.jpg - Fredasa Class Corvette
http://i.imgur.com/kPEuA6j.jpg - Essex Class Destroyer
http://i.imgur.com/q92yy9m.jpg - Volga Class Transport
http://i.imgur.com/gZAo0tu.jpg - Sovietski Soyuz Class Cruiser
http://i.imgur.com/V0xuo1P.jpg - Liberator Class Cruiser
http://i.imgur.com/MfceSax.jpg - Leviathan Class Battleship
http://i.imgur.com/kcDMxEw.jpg - Nightlord Class Battleship
http://i.imgur.com/vT4GZHV.jpg - Congress Class Frigate
http://i.imgur.com/0ejQya0.jpg - Potemkin Class Transport
http://i.imgur.com/MnkpG5V.jpg - Vincent Mk 42 Class Corvette
http://i.imgur.com/DGT0EBI.jpg - Aegis Class Cruiser
http://i.imgur.com/fXMW33Z.jpg - Lola III Class Destroyer
By Shimmering Sword - http://shimmering-sword.deviantart.com/
http://i.imgur.com/IclWc6r.jpg - McKenna Class Battleship
http://i.imgur.com/KX9kZ5w.jpg - Black Lion Class Battlecruiser
http://i.imgur.com/xjmgx3m.jpg - Texas Class Battleship.
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Quite a list you have by now. The last four look excellent too just like almost all the rest. I especially like the Fredasa, which was always difficult to look at, but not anymore.
But Delranes Fighting Ships 3066 is being written
What is this? Some sort of fan tro in the making?
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Yeah its gonna be something I write and its going to be an 'armchair admirals' book kind of thing. No rules, no armour stats, or thrust ratings or the like, so its not a TRO, but its going to be a pure fluff book using some of the stuff from the 3057/2750 TRO's but being expanded on with headcanon and the like so its not just me copying data from the TRO's.
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I'm really looking forward to your Jane's Fighting Ships style TRO. Its really nice thing to have all this hard work in one spot. Since you funded this, I'd like thank you very much. It was really treat and I look forward to the fruits of your labor!
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It's an impressive piece so far I think I have to agree the Fredasa is one of my favourites it looks lethal
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Thank you Dragon Cat :) The Freddy was one Plog and I liked the general look of with its Ferengi Marauder style bow section but it was the rest that needed work, getting rid of its 'water wings' that hung under it (god knows what they were, they didn't even seem attached to the hull) and giving her engines consumate to her thrust rating was a must and Plog did amazing work :)
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Thank you Dragon Cat :) The Freddy was one Plog and I liked the general look of with its Ferengi Marauder style bow section but it was the rest that needed work, getting rid of its 'water wings' that hung under it (god knows what they were, they didn't even seem attached to the hull) and giving her engines consumate to her thrust rating was a must and Plog did amazing work :)
Fredasa usually look like a ship with headsets attached for giant mech or something.
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I had always assumed that they were hydroponic bays. O:-)
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...We really need a re-issue of Aerotech/Battlespace, and somewhere to fight with these. I'd like a spin-off game or universe, just because.
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(WIP) Emergence in 3....2....1
http://i.imgur.com/KOdc2KR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WphxDY2.jpg
As always, all credit to Plog!
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A hump like a snow hill, there be Battlecruisers on the horizon!
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Well I recognize the Cameron immediately but the other has got me stumped. Looking to TRO 3057 and comparing it to your list I see only the York remains undone. Unless Plog is redoing Shimmering Swords warships (Black Lion, Texas, and McKenna) which I hope he does. If that is indeed the case I say the second one could be a Black Lion. Or is it some kind of new design?!
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Well I recognize the Cameron immediately but the other has got me stumped. Looking to TRO 3057 and comparing it to your list I see only the York remains undone. Unless Plog is redoing Shimmering Swords warships (Black Lion, Texas, and McKenna) which I hope he does. If that is indeed the case I say the second one could be a Black Lion. Or is it some kind of new design?!
I'd say it's Black Lion II, aka 3057 version. It arounded hide (thus the snow hill comment from an early post), and that bow's little circle thing with all those gun turrets sort of spoke volumes to me.
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Wow, those look great! Cameron and Black Lion!
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Yep! Its the Metal Gea...Cameron and the Black Lion.
To quote Plog from our email discussion.
So the Black Lion is mostly a "new" shape. I did take some of the existing lines and sections and expand or re-interpret them. The engine hump should be fairly recognizable, but the sides are flattened out a bit and the fore-ward section is more dramatically changed. I DID like Shimmering's trip-AC ball mounts so i stole them:D.
The Cameron is as was requested, the same, but more. At least so i hope. The back section is lengthened slightly,the "prime face" is a little bigger, and the shape of the star points is altered slightly.
I liked the general look of the 3057 Cameron's layout so hence the 'same but more' but I hated the 3057 Black Lion which looked so alien a design that it was a new hull vs the 2750 art. The 2750 design works well as the Black Lion I but a ship built centuries later would look different. But not like something a woman might hide away in her top draw. And Plog did AMAZING work with the new Black Lion design.
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The Black Lion... I kinda like the older one with its heavier at the front end aesthetic. Though I'll grant this one's an improvement over the 3057 art.
The Cameron's solid as usual. One of the few where the 3057 art was an improvement. This one takes that a step further.
Addendum:
Looking at the Black Lion again, I realise what's bothering me about it. The humpback at the rear section is reminiscent of the 3057 design, which is all kinds of ugh.
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Plog understandably didn't want to re-do Shimmering Sword's take on the Black Lion, so he opted for a mix of the 3057 design and some of the features in Sword's art (the triple NAC turrets for example). What he's done is made the ****** aweful 3057 design work. It no longer looks like something a woman might discreetly keep hidden in a top draw. But it's still got the hints of the 3057 design such as the rounded stern section.
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Understandably, I now await the Battlecruisers in all their glory!
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That updated Mckenna now reminds me of the Mimatar Maelstrom class battleship from eve online. Long fins. :)
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The Black Lion is complete. I give you the CBS Rocinante
http://i.imgur.com/DJTX9kJ.jpg
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Very nice!
I wonder which Clan will get the Cameron?
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Clan Cloud COBRA!!
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Halt your engines and prepare to be boarded.
The Cameron class battlecruiser CSR Ice Storm reporting for duty
http://i.imgur.com/GInybEN.jpg
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Out of the two I prefer the Cameron but two very nice Battlecruisers. I like the Black Lion rework especially the turreted side looks good
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Very nice, I just complied a list of Warships by Plog so I can keep track of their factions and names. ;)
Class Faction Ship Name
Nightlord Jade Falcon Emerald Talon
Congress Nova Cat True Vision
Vincent Mk 42 Star League Jackson
Potemkin Diamond Shark Poseidon
Leviathan Ghost Bear
Liberator Smoke Jaguar Korat
Sovetskii Soyuz Wolf Dire Wolf
Volga Hell’s Horses Mount Olympus
Essex Cloud Cobra Stormrage
Whirlwind Steel Viper Constrictor
Fredasa Ice Hellion Hellion’s Pride
Aegis Goliath Scorpion Corona Borealis
Lola III Coyote Honor of Ages
Black Lion Blood Spirit Rocinante
Cameron Snow Raven Ice Storm
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Dude! these look Awesome!
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Cheers Takiro :) That's great as it makes it easier for me to check and know what tramp stamps to have put on the next few ships :P
Of the remaining four ships its going to be like this.
X Class
X Class and subclass (So two designs)
And one fan ship
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That redone Cameron is hands down the most sexy BT warship line art I've seen yet.
What kind of fan warship did you have in mind? Something of your own tinkering? 8)
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My pleasure marauder648, can't wait to see what is up next!
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That redone Cameron is hands down the most sexy BT warship line art I've seen yet.
What kind of fan warship did you have in mind? Something of your own tinkering? 8)
The Cameron is a handsome disaster for sure :) And she's gonna be a Clan vessel, a big one, bigger than a Nightlord but lighter than the Texas.
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The pictures continue to be pretty awesome, marauder648. Thank you again (i know i've said previous) for making this possible.
Side Question: So this all Clan, there no 1 singular Star League commissioned ship or House Ship?
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Lets get the 3057 Clan ships out the way before we turn our guns on the House ships :p Perhaps for the future eh :) And yeah they need it. Dear god do they need work. But one project at a time :)
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Really wonderful designs! Kudos to you and M. Plog O0
Can I still hope for a Star Adder ship :) ?
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Lets get the 3057 Clan ships out the way before we turn our guns on the House ships :p Perhaps for the future eh :) And yeah they need it. Dear god do they need work. But one project at a time :)
Can't wait to see some House ships! :)
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Well my research shows 2 Clans and 3 Warships left from TRO3057. One of those Clans is Star Adder ;)
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The York isn't going to be re-done, in my mind the York is just the Riga II with some more launch bays
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(http://i.imgur.com/E733bp8.jpg)
Nameship of her class the SLS McKenna is seen here on her acceptance trials.
As drawn by the AMAZING - http://colourbrand.deviantart.com/
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Well that's something...
I do like the 3057 one but that's pretty nice
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The 3057 one looks good for different reasons, but she's more a SUB class rather than the actual design, the longer more streamlined and sleek looking 2750 is the main ship, the 3057 design will be seen again...
Sod it, might as well say what the final ones are.
Texas - Again she's going to be a take on the 2750 design, rather than the ****** aweful 3057 design that looks like some kind of thing to smooth out wood. Of the 3057 designs the Texas is one I reserve most of my ire for along with the two fleshlight designs of the Volga and Potemkin. Oh and the Apple Mouse aka Congress.
McKenna - This is actually gonna be two drawings, one of a 2750 styled design a-la Shimmering Sword and Colour Brand's work and the other being the 3057 art, which i'm going to say is actually a sub-class. We know from the lore that towards the end of the Star League that 6 McKenna's were modified into command ships to act as the equivalent of Airforce One/the SAC nuclear command planes. And thats what the 3057 ship is gonna be, its going to be one of those surviving command ships, the McKenna's Pride to be precise as she's one of them. I WAS tempted to have a great big Clan Wolverine symbol put on her side but...
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Wow.
First when seeing the sketch, I was somewhat disappointed but this has something. Very good.
I WAS tempted to have a great big Clan Wolverine symbol put on her side but...
Well I can think of one forum member you would make very happy with this.
It is not me ;)
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Disappointed to hear about the York but you've got quite a nice cover there. Nicely done!
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Huh, not quite my cup of tea as I prefer more conventional line art in terms of BT art, but this is quite good alright. :)
As for the Texas, you mean we'll get a similar version by colourbrand based on the Scroggins sketch or you'll have Matt take another look at it?
As for house ships, just from the top of my head I'd say the Mjolnir (although there was some old work by Matt in some source book, which was fairly decent in comparison, similar to the Feng Huang he did in terms of style, but the resolution was quite horrible), Fox, Avalon (seriously, whose idea was it to only show its butt?), Kyushu, Impavido and maybe also the Kirishima probably need the update the most. Your mileage may vary of course ;)
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The Texas is going to be like Shimmering Swords art which is based on the 2750 design.
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Final wave is jumping in now.
Emergence in;
3
2
1
http://i.imgur.com/HbE9Eyu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Emktkv1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rgbgOTi.jpg
Wait..
http://i.imgur.com/8SfrBHN.jpg
Unidentified Warship has jumped in system! Abort! Abort! Abo....
Transmission ceased.
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These are cool especially the last one
Texas
McKenna
I should know the third one but can't think
and the last one no idea but it looks cool
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Ìt's actually
McKenna
McKenna
Texas
UNKNOWN.
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Oooh, I like what he's done with the M... errrm... I mean the Unknown one. >:D
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The Star League McKenna looks very different from the Clan McKenna as in canon but I like them both very much. Alright the Clan version has the edge and the Texas looks very sexy well done!
Well it has to be the York, right?
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Looking at the unknown I'm not sure about the split nose not sure if it's really "BattleTech" can't think of any others with a split nose happy to be proven wrong though
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UNKNOWN.
Could it be an Avalon Class?
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I'd say that's the custom warship he was talking about earlier. ;)
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Looking at the unknown I'm not sure about the split nose not sure if it's really "BattleTech" can't think of any others with a split nose happy to be proven wrong though
None of them really have "split" noses, but a number have some sort of major protrusion or protrusions.
Fredasa - has a very small central indent
Aegis and McKenna - both have jaw-like protrusions
Volga - hard to tell from the picture, but its nose could be 4 petal-like protrusions
Nightlord - has a significant overhang protecting the bridge area
Avalon - has a port and a starboard "shield" that seems to be protecting the guns (and is most like the new ship, though the "shields" are not particularly protective as the above and below are both open)
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That's true I like it it just seems a little weird I like the radiator fin placement though almost makes me want a three split on the front of the McKenna and Texas one up two down on the front
Talking of the Avalon it could do with some work like learning to fly the right way
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Final wave is jumping in now.
Emergence in;
3
2
1
http://i.imgur.com/HbE9Eyu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Emktkv1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rgbgOTi.jpg
Wait..
http://i.imgur.com/8SfrBHN.jpg
Unidentified Warship has jumped in system! Abort! Abort! Abo....
Transmission ceased.
Well, marauder said that House ships would be done later, so these are Clan controlled ships.
Old McKenna (why 3 versions?!?!)
New McKenna
Texas (3057 version)
The Fourth One....I don't know. Its initially looks to me as to being very very modified Aegis or Lola I/II. The Radar dish on top suggests it. It looks to big to be a Lola. Volga or it's original version Quixote-class frigate.
Oversized Aegis is my final answer, since i think were sticking with the 3057 ships.
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The Clan McKenna is going to require some head canon here.
Basically this
http://imgur.com/Emktkv1
Is the McKenna's Pride. We know from the lore that the SLDF built 6 McKenna's that would act as basically an Airforce One command and control platform. From there you could command the entire SLDF. When the SLDF went into exile she was the only one of that sub class to survive. I liked the look of the 3057 McKenna but to get that from the 2750 one would require more than a complete rebuild. I also liked the 2750 design hence the two looks
As for the two different 2750 looks, Plog's not gonna just plain up copy Shimmering Sword's design and if you want a head canon reason. Block 1 = Shimmering Swords design, later produced Block II = Plog's design, same ship, just different hull's. Considering they built over 200 of the McKenna i'd be surprised if there wasn't some hull differences due to changes in design/modifications to the hull etc.
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Oh and us for the UNKNOWN, she's a design I wanted Plog to draw. She's going to be a future Clan Battleship of roughly 1.9 megatonnes. I wanted to see a non-canon ship and asked Plog to use the Typhon class destroyer from Freespace II as the inspiration.
Reasoning for this is that I liked the Fredasa's twin pronged bow layout and the genesis for the ship came with me looking at the Quicksilver Mongoose, a Du Shi Wang class BB that was heavily altered by Clan Mongoose into a very formidable ship. So fanoned up an idea and had a word with Dragon Cat about it existing in his wonderful TL.
Basic idea is that the Ravens wanted a new BB but it kind of grows into an intra-clan work and to be built over Tukkayid. With other powers building new ships that for the most part outclass their designs (save the Leviathan II which the Dominion simply isn't sharing with anyone no matter how much or hard you ask/trial). Hence the requirement for a new BB to be laid down. She's got the twin pronged bow because I liked it on the Fredasa and she's a long tube like design because the genesis of her hull started with the Du Shi Wang and then the Scientists went MOAR!!!!! and they did an almost Bear like thing of adding mass, turning the initial design from battlecruiser into battleship.
Her stats and name will come in the future.
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Oh and us for the UNKNOWN, she's a design I wanted Plog to draw. She's going to be a future Clan Battleship of roughly 1.9 megatonnes. I wanted to see a non-canon ship and asked Plog to use the Typhon class destroyer from Freespace II as the inspiration.
Reasoning for this is that I liked the Fredasa's twin pronged bow layout and the genesis for the ship came with me looking at the Quicksilver Mongoose, a Du Shi Wang class BB that was heavily altered by Clan Mongoose into a very formidable ship. So fanoned up an idea and had a word with Dragon Cat about it existing in his wonderful TL.
Basic idea is that the Ravens wanted a new BB but it kind of grows into an intra-clan work and to be built over Tukkayid. With other powers building new ships that for the most part outclass their designs (save the Leviathan II which the Dominion simply isn't sharing with anyone no matter how much or hard you ask/trial). Hence the requirement for a new BB to be laid down. She's got the twin pronged bow because I liked it on the Fredasa and she's a long tube like design because the genesis of her hull started with the Du Shi Wang and then the Scientists went MOAR!!!!! and they did an almost Bear like thing of adding mass, turning the initial design from battlecruiser into battleship.
Her stats and name will come in the future.
Cool. My only hope is that when he gets around to doing the Inner Sphere Warships, when it comes to doing/redoing the Avalon class, that he consider making the tower portion the "rear"part of the vessel and the dual hulls the "front" part of the vessel...
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Vey interesting designs and great variety.
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If there's IS Warships that need work its the original 3057 ones and maybe the Avalon, she needs to have those prongs at her front and we need to know what way she's going :P But for now they won't be done for the future, this is a tad expensive after all :P
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As a fan of the York-class, I'm sad that it didn't get covered. I've also learned from this thread that I'm in the minority in my thinking that the original 2750 designs were just variations on a cylinder, and that the 3057 actually looked good. Your virulence regarding the Black Lion in particular has me puzzled because personally, I think it looks mean and threatening. Plog's redrawn Black Lion by contrast has weird proportions; it's too flat on the front, too wide. I actually mistook it for the York until I read further on in the thread!
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Oh and us for the UNKNOWN, she's a design I wanted Plog to draw. She's going to be a future Clan Battleship of roughly 1.9 megatonnes. I wanted to see a non-canon ship and asked Plog to use the Typhon class destroyer from Freespace II as the inspiration.
Reasoning for this is that I liked the Fredasa's twin pronged bow layout and the genesis for the ship came with me looking at the Quicksilver Mongoose, a Du Shi Wang class BB that was heavily altered by Clan Mongoose into a very formidable ship. So fanoned up an idea and had a word with Dragon Cat about it existing in his wonderful TL.
Basic idea is that the Ravens wanted a new BB but it kind of grows into an intra-clan work and to be built over Tukkayid. With other powers building new ships that for the most part outclass their designs (save the Leviathan II which the Dominion simply isn't sharing with anyone no matter how much or hard you ask/trial). Hence the requirement for a new BB to be laid down. She's got the twin pronged bow because I liked it on the Fredasa and she's a long tube like design because the genesis of her hull started with the Du Shi Wang and then the Scientists went MOAR!!!!! and they did an almost Bear like thing of adding mass, turning the initial design from battlecruiser into battleship.
Her stats and name will come in the future.
Here's my guess at weapons:
Fore; 4 N-gauss or NAC in the notch. 8-14 NPPC, depending on if the six on the upper glacis are mirrored on the lower. 5-10 missile tubes. again possibly paired upper and lower.
Fore-quarters; 2 NPPC, 5-10 Nlasers.
Broadside; 8 NPPC, 6-12 Nlasers.
Aft-quarters; 2 NPPC, 5-10 Nlasers
Aft; 2-4 NAC or N-gauss, possibly additional weapons not visible in this picture.
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These are some great work!
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Here's my guess at weapons:
Fore; 4 N-gauss or NAC in the notch. 8-14 NPPC, depending on if the six on the upper glacis are mirrored on the lower. 5-10 missile tubes. again possibly paired upper and lower.
Fore-quarters; 2 NPPC, 5-10 Nlasers.
Broadside; 8 NPPC, 6-12 Nlasers.
Aft-quarters; 2 NPPC, 5-10 Nlasers
Aft; 2-4 NAC or N-gauss, possibly additional weapons not visible in this picture.
You are actually not very far off - at least assuming nothing much has changed ;D. I'll point out that the design was originally built for Dragon Cat's AU, so a lot of the technologies he modified or introduced into the setting may be in the design. These include Repeating Naval Gauss Rifles (and I'm totally starting a trend for calling these "Reapers" >:D), Naval Pulse Lasers, AR-15s (AR-10s that use subcapital missiles), and Screen Launchers (which are available equally to IS and Clan ships).
Addendum: This design is almost entirely marauder648's, I happen to know much of the specs about it since marauder came to me to actually build out the design and make sure everything fit properly (and surprisingly, it originated as a design 400kt lighter than what it is ending up as, hehe).
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And I've played about with it a bit more since then...
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...I have them in mine, too - I endorse this decision. 'Reapers' it is.
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Okay so there's one more to come, eventually :P The York. She's getting an overhaul from the door wedge design of 3057's art.
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Okay so there's one more to come, eventually :P The York. She's getting an overhaul from the door wedge design of 3057's art.
Hybrid of the Riga Class Frigate so she looks like what was originally based on?
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Happy to hear about the York!
Umm, unless there has been a retcon or something the York is not based on the Riga class Frigate but the second Riga class. A Destroyer first launched around the time of Simon Cameron's murder on Star's End circa 2752.
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The art for the Riga and Riga II is basically the same and you could argue that they used the Riga I's hull design as a base hull for the II (shame they didn't do a Riga III to replace the Congress because that thing suuuuuucks). And whilst it was produced far later, i'd say the Riga II is more than just a name descendant of the I.
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Have the final versions of the McKenna and Texas been posted yet?
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Cant wait till the final comes out
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Have the final versions of the McKenna and Texas been posted yet?
Not yet, Plog's got proper company commission type stuff to do and that takes priority over private stuff.
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Command elements jumping in now!
CSR Mountbatten - http://i.imgur.com/nxtei5e.jpg
CSA Sovereign Right - http://i.imgur.com/mJKLgV1.jpg
SLS McKenna's Pride - http://i.imgur.com/gQ1DEvY.jpg
Clan Battleship 'Arbitration' - http://i.imgur.com/ArMdbnH.jpg (stats to come)
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Command elements jumping in now!
CSR Mountbatten - http://i.imgur.com/nxtei5e.jpg
CSA Sovereign Right - http://i.imgur.com/mJKLgV1.jpg
SLS McKenna's Pride - http://i.imgur.com/gQ1DEvY.jpg
Clan Battleship 'Arbitration' - http://i.imgur.com/ArMdbnH.jpg (stats to come)
That is some great drawings!
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Very, very well drawn O0
Firs I was very skeptical due your idea of two different Mc-Kenna classes. Seeing the final result, I am convinced :)
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And a WIP of the final vessel for now. The York class Escort Frigate.
This was entirely Plog's idea for the layout.
Here's a stab at the York. I tried to include some of the Riga's detailing, specifically the main engine section, to show the heredity. The Refiting that made it the York class essentially being the flattening of the fore section and the addition of the "spade" wings on either side.
Now i did change the fighter craft bay arrangements a bit to my own particular design theology. Not really knowing 100% how BT ships throw their fighters into space i figured that faster is usually always better, so they'd want the fighters launched in line with the ship's main thrust angle. Ie. "forward". The retrieval bays facing the rear to slow relative velocities. Pretty much the same rules that current carriers follow today. So there ends up being 3 launch bays forward per side, and two recovery bays facing more rearwards. I imagined the service bays and repair facilities inside, moving the fighters forward as they are readied till they reach the front and are ready for re-launch. The single space craft door also exits via the front, though their landing is likely not as much fun. Having to go head on with a warship to land successfully:D
so here she is - http://i.imgur.com/wkiCzRG.jpg
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Which Clan?
Please Star Adder again ;) 8)
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The McKenna is a Star Adder one :p
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I know, but maybe the arguments that post-WOR the Adders have the second-largest fleet among the Clans, the Snow Raven got two designs and it seems that the Adders designed the York-class (they did have the largest number of these class among all Clans pre and post WoR).
So pleeeeeeeeeeeeease {>{>
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Well I've got to say great job by Plog. The drawings from the Texas to both McKennas and the York are great!
A comment - I thought the Star League version of the McKenna would be the SLS McKenna's Pride and the Clan version would be the Sovereign Right. My assumptions were based on the Clan veneration of the Pride and their wish to keep it as close to the original as possible while the others were upgraded. Can I ask why you went in the direction you did?
On the choice of Clans - I think marauder648 will have to double up somewhere. Aside from the Burrocks whose 3052 fleet we can argue about but not yet know for certain only the Fire Mandrills have not gotten some love. Since they don't have a York they are out of luck.
You have a list of contenders from the newest York the Broken Sea laid down by Snow Raven for the Coyotes to the fighter happy Cloud Cobras. Blood Spirit, Ghost Bear, Ice Hellion, Nova Cat, Smoke Jaguar, and Snow Raven also have a York. Then there is Star Adder/Burrock who we can argue about but the Adders post Absorption have 5! This is the greatest number of any Clan.
Also please let me know the stats for that new Battleship. I was considering an extra large Battlecruiser myself. ;)
Great job!!!
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To copy the blurb from what I put on DA:
Amongst the 280 strong McKenna class there was a small subclass, only six were built and these would serve as Command Ships for not only entire fleets but the SLDF itself, operating much like Airforce One does today as a command post from which the Commanding General of the SLDF could direct an entire campaign. Whilst identical in terms of armament and protection (and dropship and fighter capacity) the hull of the sub class was significantly different. They featured enhanced facilities and quarters for senior staff as well as a pair of HPG's for interstellar communication. There was also a heavily reinforced 'bunker' that could double as a lfeboat for any senior staff on board.
Of this sub class, only one would survive the Amaris War, the flagship of the SLDF, the SLS McKenna's Pride. This ship took General Kerensky, commander of the SLDF into exile and serves as his tomb and a central piece in the Clan Founders Day Celebrations where the ship remains in constant orbit over the Clan's Capital World of Strana Mechty.
Basically she IS an original, but was a purpose built Command ship, we know there was 6 McKenna's that were built to operate as a mix of the USAF's Airforce One and the other older aircraft that controlled the US nuclear arsenal as well as the USN's Blue Ridge Command ships. These six ships were built to control the SLDF. Because they were command ships you can bet they would have enhanced facilities to command ground forces, enhanced comms (HPGs), larger crew quarters, and a different layout, but at their core, they are still a McKenna, all be it one that's undergone significant structural alterations to help her with her role.
Its a pure fanon idea but its what i'm sticking with :p I liked the 3057 look of the McKenna, but its so radically different from the 2750 design that not even a slight rebuilt and alteration would result in that kind of layout. So it got me thinking that this, was a sub class.
More fanon.
Its the same with the Plog McKenna. The one that Shimmering Sword did is beautiful, and its the 2750 ship but more. And thats the Flight I McKenna. These were the leadships of the Class and the first say 80 - 100 made. But alterations to the design to make it a bit cheaper and more importantly, quicker to produce which is why it looks a bit more stripped down in design and looks to the Flight I's. The Flight II McKenna aka Plog's one, was then produced to finish off the 180 remaining, save the six taken in to be converted into command ships aka the 3057 look.
By Matt Plog - http://mattplog.deviantart.com/
http://i.imgur.com/jGMDiyT.jpg - Whirlwind Class Destroyer
http://i.imgur.com/IkJF3RC.jpg - Fredasa Class Corvette
http://i.imgur.com/kPEuA6j.jpg - Essex Class Destroyer
http://i.imgur.com/q92yy9m.jpg - Volga Class Transport
http://i.imgur.com/gZAo0tu.jpg - Sovietski Soyuz Class Cruiser
http://i.imgur.com/V0xuo1P.jpg - Liberator Class Cruiser
http://i.imgur.com/MfceSax.jpg - Leviathan Class Battleship
http://i.imgur.com/kcDMxEw.jpg - Nightlord Class Battleship
http://i.imgur.com/vT4GZHV.jpg - Congress Class Frigate
http://i.imgur.com/0ejQya0.jpg - Potemkin Class Transport
http://i.imgur.com/MnkpG5V.jpg - Vincent Mk 42 Class Corvette
http://i.imgur.com/DGT0EBI.jpg - Aegis Class Cruiser
http://i.imgur.com/fXMW33Z.jpg - Lola III Class Destroyer
http://i.imgur.com/nxtei5e.jpg - Texas Class Battleship
http://i.imgur.com/mJKLgV1.jpg - McKenna class Battleship
http://i.imgur.com/gQ1DEvY.jpg - McKenna Mod 1 Command Battleship.
By Shimmering Sword - http://shimmering-sword.deviantart.com/
http://i.imgur.com/IclWc6r.jpg - McKenna Class Battleship
http://i.imgur.com/KX9kZ5w.jpg - Black Lion Class Battlecruiser
http://i.imgur.com/xjmgx3m.jpg - Texas Class Battleship.
Class Faction Ship Name
Nightlord Jade Falcon Emerald Talon
Congress Nova Cat True Vision
Vincent Mk 42 Star League Jackson
Potemkin Diamond Shark Poseidon
Leviathan Ghost Bear Great Bear
Liberator Smoke Jaguar Korat
Sovetskii Soyuz Wolf Dire Wolf
Volga Hell’s Horses Mount Olympus
Essex Cloud Cobra Stormrage
Whirlwind Steel Viper Constrictor
Fredasa Ice Hellion Hellion’s Pride
Aegis Goliath Scorpion Corona Borealis
Lola III Coyote Honor of Ages
Black Lion Blood Spirit Rocinante
Cameron Snow Raven Ice Storm
Texas Snow Raven Mountbatten
McKenna Star Adder Sovereign Right
McKenna SLDF/Clan McKenna's Pride
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It's truly tragic that FASA didn't know Plog when they did TRO 3057. :'(
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I had not considered the command variant explanation. I do like it however I would reverse them. Can't wait to see the finalized York!
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A lot of those Yorks were Burrock vessels first.
Sieg Burrock!
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The book (PDF) that these pics will go in is set shortly after Bulldog/Serpent so the Burrocks are not around at this point.
I was seriously tempted for the 3057 McKenna to ask Plog to put a Wolverine trampstamp on her and make her look a bit beaten up and say she was the Zugoffier Wier.
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The book (PDF) that these pics will go in is set shortly after Bulldog/Serpent so the Burrocks are not around at this point.
I was seriously tempted for the 3057 McKenna to ask Plog to put a Wolverine tramp stamp on her and make her look a bit beaten up and say she was the Zugoffier Wier.
Too bad it's over, Wolverine novel came out, (i haven't read it)
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A wolvie novel? Where? And is it in English?
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A wolvie novel? Where? And is it in English?
Yay. Betrayal of Ideals (http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3657) E-version only out now. The paper one still coming, early release was at GenCon. Lucky...sons..
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Whelp! I'll be getting that when I get home :p And who knows, a battered McKenna might show up in the future. Prior to entering the Word's service.
But once I get Delranes out, it will probably be the turn of the 3057 IS ships as they need work too, save the kirishima, which is a nice looking ship that needs more done to it. And probably get the Avalon 'done right' so the bridge and the shields are in the right place...
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Important question, what kinda file is this? I don't have an e-book, is there a reader or somethin'?
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Cant wait till more work comes out! The drawings are awesome!
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Important question, what kinda file is this? I don't have an e-book, is there a reader or somethin'?
I think it's both. DriveThru has it too.
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Well after many months the initial stage of what is growing into a (eventually) a PDF book is complete.
Folks
The CGB Ursa Minor - http://imgur.com/cgRVAVO
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Well that seems to carry plenty of Pain. O0
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Well thank you marauder648 for undertaking this visually stunning enterprise. I know Plog did the work (and its awesome) but you got the ball rolling. A lot of good stuff and I hope to see more in the future!
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I agree completely. Thank you, it must cost pretty penny to get this stuff made.
I'm looking forward to your PDF book when it comes out.
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I really like the last batch of reimagined warships, especially the York, though I don't quite know why. The McKenna sub-class/Clan McKenna redone is also an almost aa great job done as the usually fugly as sin Texas. Really a huge improvement while keeping true to its not so gallant origins.
Not entirely sure about the custom warship. Looks pretty alien to the BT setting. Might take some time to get used to it.
So, this is it or are your really gonna take on the house warships as well, marauder? ;)
Either way, thank you big time for doing this! glad I could be at least of some help. ;)
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The idea behind the new Clan BB's design is a mixture of my ideas and some outside influences. Looking at the original art for the Fredasa (which had the odd headphone things attached, which I now realise were its hangar pods) and then Plog's redone art there was two things I carried away.
The original 3057 Fredasa was sleek design, all curved hullplates and smoothed out angles (even if she basically didn't have an engine area and had those god aweful headphones hanging beneath her). When Plog redid her to make her actually work - http://imgur.com/IkJF3RC I asked if Plog could keep that general sleek look and feel whilst making her big enough to have engines/launch bays etc.
And that got me thinking (which produced an alarming grinding sound and the faint smell of burning plastic). What if the Clans had actually kept on designing Warships in that similar mold and with a similar design ethos.
The new design is meant to flagship Clan technology and what the Clans can make if they put their mind to it. She's designed to look a bit alien, and look sleek and just different. When you look at the 2750 McKenna, that's a very smooth design with her clean and uncluttered outer hull with that big clamshell bow. The new ship is basically a 'what if a Fredasa went down the gym' with the main outside influence being this;
http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/16/15109/screen0055.png
A Typhon class destroyer from Freespace II. I asked Plog to leave the Fredasa and that in a docking back and see what happens.
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For the most part I like the image of the new design, but there are a couple areas where the art feels a bit too anime-inspired for my tastes. Namely the very rear-most projections. That's the only part that seems vaguely not-battletech to me, but overall the art for the design is great and I can overlook that little bit.
As for the rest, very beautiful artwork and props to you for financing the projects. O0
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They are the reefing arrangement for the jumpsail, they retract from their locked positions so they don't get cooked by the engines and yeah they are a bit anime looking but I like that lil hint of Robotech/Macross in there. I'm glad you like her, when the stats for her come out in June or July 3106 (on Dragon Cat's AU) i'm sure you'll like her even more.
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Ooh, a bit of timeline before it shows up - and a few years earlier than I was thinking it would. ;D
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Again, very nice redesign O0
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Talking of the Avalon it could do with some work like learning to fly the right way
I for one refuse to use it like a giant space going tug.
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I for one refuse to use it like a giant space going tug.
O0
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I for one refuse to use it like a giant space going tug.
The thing is the forward mounted bridge looks fine, but the 'shields' or wings need to be moved forwards so they are either flush along the hull or turned to point forwards. Having them flush and pointing aft would be fine.
Nothing at all wrong with a front mounted bridge tower.
http://www.photosight.org/up/2007/07/28/63316.jpg
Although i'd say that all Warships in the Btech universe have their C&C buried deep in the middle of the ship and that the bridge towers are more sensor/radar holding points rather than being an actual bridge a-la Star destroyers and their bridge tower. But that might come later, the 3067 ships look fine its the IS 3057 ships that need work next.
And thank you for all your support and kind words folks :) I'm glad you like the art :)
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Although i'd say that all Warships in the Btech universe have their C&C buried deep in the middle of the ship and that the bridge towers are more sensor/radar holding points rather than being an actual bridge a-la Star destroyers and their bridge tower. But that might come later, the 3067 ships look fine its the IS 3057 ships that need work next.
I'm pretty sure the CIC's are in the nose. Otherwise, Leo Showers would not have been killed by Miraborg's kamikaze attack.
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True but lets be honest no rational ship would have its bridge in the nose :p if anything it could be like a viewing deck or a secondary command position. The C&C, where the ships really controlled from (helm controls etc) all nice and safe in the bowls of the ship.
Simple way of looking at it. Yes the bridge is a command position but its more out of tradition, but its basically an observation deck. And Showers was on the bridge so he could observe the battle himself, viewing being sheltered away in the C&C as cowardly.
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I could be that Miraborgs fighter simply hit like a capital missile getting a critical crew hit essentially hitting a weak part in the armour causing catastrophic loss.
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Let's face facts-even on WW2 battleships with actual armored conning towers, the captains frequently preferred to fight the ship from unarmored positions. And Battletech's warship designers don't subscribe to the theory building an All or Nothing armor layout An observation or docking bridge would have probably had nice big Star Destroyer windows so that you could look out and see where you were going if your instruments failed anyways. There are all kinds of explanations for how that Ilkhan died.
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I could be that Miraborgs fighter simply hit like a capital missile getting a critical crew hit essentially hitting a weak part in the armour causing catastrophic loss.
There is that. Miraborg was flying a Shilone. 65 tons and she was maintaining a velocity of 1800 before cranking it up to maximum acceleration at 6.5G's. Plus unused fuel and almost unexpended LRM and SRM ammo.
True but lets be honest no rational ship would have its bridge in the nose :p if anything it could be like a viewing deck or a secondary command position. The C&C, where the ships really controlled from (helm controls etc) all nice and safe in the bowls of the ship.
Simple way of looking at it. Yes the bridge is a command position but its more out of tradition, but its basically an observation deck. And Showers was on the bridge so he could observe the battle himself, viewing being sheltered away in the C&C as cowardly.
Maybe not the nose, but it was most definitely identifiable from outside. Identifiable enough that Miraborg knew what she was aiming her ship at.
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When something 65 tons going as fast as it can and hitting the right spot, something is going to be damaged.
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These are amazing but more weapons blisters!!!!!! Mmmmmoooorrrreeeeeeee
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Any word on Innersphere redesigns?
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Give it some more ime.
IIRC Plog has to to do some *official* work before continuing.
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Aye and we're not gonna redo the 3057 IS designs. Yet...
But...in the mean time
A while ago I got to thinking about Yardships, mainly because of the III in the Newgrage's name. I was like 'where's the I and II?' and did she spring whole cloth fully formed as an idea or was there something in the past that inspired it or got the SLDF thinking that 'hey we don't have any mobile repair facilities and repairing ships out here really sucks!' during the Reunification war. Step forwards the Liparius class of Mobile repair yard. And if you did spot the name, congratulations, yes its named after the baddies tanker in James Bond's The Spy Who Loved Me that 'swallowed' submarines.
Liparius Class Mobile Repair Yard.
With a massive number of repair yards within Hegemony space, if a warship or jumpship needed to have repairs carried out then they could easily move a jump or two and would find themselves usually in a system with a fully established repair facility. This wealth of facilities made the nascent SLDF seem to forget that not everywhere else had the same level of resources and when the Reunification War came along the SLDF was in for a huge shock to the system.
If a ship was damaged in battle ‘in the wilds’ then it meant one of two things. Carrying out ad-hoc repairs with the crew doing most of the work, or risking a jump back to an established facility. The problem was that there were no major facilities, at least none captured intact. This could mean a journey of weeks or even months back to a yard for a ship, which came with its own dangers depending on how bad the damage was.
The other option was to simply wait whilst Logistics Command built a temporary yard. Even with their muscle and resources this could take months to build and bring on line, thus taking the damaged ships out of the line for anywhere from 2 – 6 months before repairs could even begin.
Recognising that this was simply unacceptable the SLDF put out an emergency tender for a mobile repair yard that could service, repair and maintain ships in the field without having to bring them home to a fixed (and thus vulnerable) position.
The designers of the Farragut class battleship the mainstay of the SLDF’s battle line accepted the challenge and began working with a design based on the Farragut’s hull.
Removing all but a few weapons for self-defence whilst also reducing the power to the four massive Hispano-Rawlings engines reduced the ships thrust somewhat but this was not needed for a support unit. Some of the weight saved was applied to the hull and the ships beam was increased whilst armour was also thinned out somewhat. This freed up a considerable amount of tonnage but more was needed. The forwards hull was extended by 550 meters (a total length of 1955 meters), this was then combined with the forwards hull to create a 650-meter-long pressurised repair bay accessed by a pair of huge doors in the bow. Whilst not long enough to fully accommodate a cruiser it was enough to allow work crews to work in an assisted environment even if it did look like a ship being serviced would have its bow or stern ‘hanging out’ of the front of the ship through the huge open doors of the repair bay.
To assist in repairs of larger vessels that could not fit in the forwards repair bay a massive extending gantry system was fitted to the starboard side. Capable of deploying in 45 minutes with a full array of cranes, jibs and retracting servo arms and cutting devices with access to the massive cargo holds inventory to allow the ship to help repair external hull plating as well as carrying out other major structural repairs.
The Farragut’s fearsome fighter compliment was utterly eliminated whilst another two dropship collars were added bringing the total to 4, these would be dedicated tugs and maintenance vessels. The small craft compliment was also increased to 14 up from 10.
The large central 150 meter grav-deck was retained whilst the smaller 45 meter one was enlarged to a 75-meter deck. Additional berths were fitted for other ships crews and the marine compliment was reduced a 50-man security detachment. With next to no weaponry save AMS systems fitted and a pair of NL-45’s in the front and stern quarters and with no aerospace fighters aboard the crew compliment went down, but these were replaced with engineers and yard personnel. The cargo bays carried anything from hull armour plating to miles of wiring, spare NAC barrels and laser focusing arrays, deck plating, banks of computers and tonnes of food and other supplies for when a ship just needed to replenish its stocks. The final piece of the puzzle was a very new, very expensive (and somewhat temperamental) Lithium Fusion battery that gave the huge ships considerable strategic mobility, letting them move to ships in need of repair quickly.
The first ship the SLS Liparius was rushed into completion and managed to take part in the closing 9 months of the Reunification War where she was able to provide support for the fleets advancing on Taurus, dramatically shortening the supply chain.
By no means a combat vessel the Liparius was always accompanied by at least two destroyers, often a full group of four would guard her and due to her important strategic nature she would often lurk in a systems Oort cloud, well off the beaten path. Despite her sluggishness in manoeuvring and the ship being all but defenceless she performed well enough in her role under the command of Commodore Karl Stromberg. This performance was enough to have the SLDF press for more orders for the class with another 9 being ordered. The ’10 Greeks’ as the class were known due to their naming convention being that of Greek/Classical deities and figures were assigned to major fleet elements and kept in constant service.
One ship the SLS Prometheus was lost due to an asteroid impact from a rogue rock which impacted on her bow, causing significant structural damage and starting several on-board fires that quickly got out of control. Abandoned and aflame the ship was scuttled by her escorting destroyers.
The SLS Hecate was crippled over the Titan Yards in the Sol System by forces loyal to Stefan Amaris but the ship’s captain refused to surrender and overloaded the main reactor, destroying the vessel and two Rim World Pinto class vessels in the blast.
The surviving vessels (four in total) at the end of the Amaris Civil War departed with General Kerensky. It is believed that along with a Newgrange class vessel that they helped form a major part of the Lum shipyards.
Is the original fluff I came up with and I asked Plog if he'd want to take a shot at something like it. He was awesome and said yes. And earlier he got back to me with this.
The liparius. I might have traveled a little further on this one, but hear me out. The engines are about what you'd expect given thrust not really being a goal. The midsection has a arrangement not that dissimilar from the standard pressurized repair yard, save for the pressurized shroud. Multiple movable and expandable sections allow the free space between the Liparius and the repaired vessel to be kept to a minimum and manageable level. The front is not the "large double bay doors" from your fluff text, i know.
The front more resembles a blue whale's expandable jowls. Allowing it to create a maximum volume of space. The lips also bear attention, with multiple movable finger plates they're able to conform to as many shapes as possible. At least getting close enough for the remaining small spaces to be filled in, likely with some form of Har-Jel esque temporary but tough sealant. Along the backbone at the top of the main bay, under the bridge and dropship ring structures, would be multiple cranes, gantries, and cargo lifts to service the main bay's guest.
So, after all that TLDR. Here's the draft sketch of the Liparius class Mobile Repair Yard.
http://i.imgur.com/PyU9LsX.jpg
He's also redoing a vehicle I love, but can't stand the look of, the Aithion. I'm sorry but the art for it just...looks like its something that was made by CAT or JCB and would belong on a digsite or strip mining facility or as part of an urban renewal project carrying a pipe for a new sewage system.
Instead Plog came up with an enlarged and angry looking Stug with a clamshell bay at the back for the infantry to get in and out of. We also broke the rear mounted quad pulse turret up into two smaller sub turrets mounted on the front so they actually have a field of fire. And the gun barrel is no longer 47 feet wide.
http://i.imgur.com/3sWZIRz.jpg
Thoughs and comments are always welcome.
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...That ship is amazing, and I suddenly look forward to typing lots and lots this weekend.
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If it were me I'd dump the LF and double the DropShips
I'd have a couple of well armed fighter carriers permenant on it, three tugs and three cargo essentially if the escorts got called away she'd have something to defend with
Add in a Battalion strong detachment of worker mechs and ur ready to go
Then I'd missjump it into the periphery and have fun
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Thanks to Marauder, I've put myself in the queue for a redraw of the Mark VII Landing Craft. It's been my pet rock forever, and when I set about drawing the deck plans (posted elsewhere (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=50256.msg1160550#msg1160550) on the forum), I realized that none of the existing art supported the canon size of the cargo bay.
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Oh! Could you send a copy of a finished TRO-style sheet to me? I use Small Craft, too! - or, at least in the AU project I have laying around.
Henry
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If it were me I'd dump the LF and double the DropShips
I'd have a couple of well armed fighter carriers permenant on it, three tugs and three cargo essentially if the escorts got called away she'd have something to defend with
Add in a Battalion strong detachment of worker mechs and ur ready to go
Then I'd missjump it into the periphery and have fun
I had the idea that they'd view strategic mobility as being more important, hence the LF battery. As she's smaller and lighter than the Newgrange and is in essence a trial unit that was originally built out of necessity she's not going to be idealised either for her role like the Newgrange was. I didn't think about the cargo capacity but i'd assume there are some work mech's onboard somewhere :) I need to find what programme it is you folks use to make warships and then give it a shot myself.
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I'm pretty sure the CIC's are in the nose. Otherwise, Leo Showers would not have been killed by Miraborg's kamikaze attack.
Avalon CIC's are buried inside the hull. Its even noted in one novel. So the tower is completely useless and just makes it look like a space going tug!
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Avalon CIC's are buried inside the hull. Its even noted in one novel. So the tower is completely useless and just makes it look like a space going tug!
That's for docking purpose perhaps or where the radar is. Frankly i think there 2 bridges, one is the CIC where actual bridge and the navigational bridge is in the "tower" which is the bridge. Crew can see where the ship is going manually sorta. It does make sense since this model of usage is used in real navies.
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That's for docking purpose perhaps or where the radar is. Frankly i think there 2 bridges, one is the CIC where actual bridge and the navigational bridge is in the "tower" which is the bridge. Crew can see where the ship is going manually sorta. It does make sense since this model of usage is used in real navies.
And yet it's noted in the novel (the one with the Skye uprising) that there was no exterior view as the Avalons deliberately were built that way to remove that weakness. I'm guessing the tower was more of a flag bridge than anything else or observation and sensors. As for the design harkening back to real navys. Space is not a ocean.
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And yet it's noted in the novel (the one with the Skye uprising) that there was no exterior view as the Avalons deliberately were built that way to remove that weakness. I'm guessing the tower was more of a flag bridge than anything else or observation and sensors. As for the design harkening back to real navys. Space is not a ocean.
It is the social general lounge.
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It is the social general lounge.
Davion ship. They lack that amenity. They have big giant crosshairs on the view screens instead that auto aim to planets.
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Here's the finished versions.
Aithon Mk2 NBS version (Not Building Site)
http://i.imgur.com/S098Ddl.jpg
And the Liparius class Mobile Repair Yard
http://i.imgur.com/E9MaVgd.jpg
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Very nice!
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Reading this thread I have to wonder: Am I the only person that actually really likes the Avalon's current orientation?
The artwork in this thread is amazing. is the artist's plate full, or is he taking on more commissions? How much does he charge if he is willing to take on more?
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It cost me $60.00 for two pics, and the best thing to do is contact him and ask :)
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Reading this thread I have to wonder: Am I the only person that actually really likes the Avalon's current orientation?
Nope! O0
I love the superstructure-between-two-zeppelins look. Changing it to the other way around would require huge redesign changes to still look good, not just simply turning it around.
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Reading this thread I have to wonder: Am I the only person that actually really likes the Avalon's current orientation?
I like the current orientation as well. It doesn't need the pointy bits forward to look good. Reminds me of a stone sledge or mason's hammer.
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It cost me $60.00 for two pics, and the best thing to do is contact him and ask :)
Commissions or copies of the artwork he made?
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It was $60.00 for two commissions. And he has a fairly quick turn around time, obviously work load depending but the most I was waiting was two weeks ish.
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It takes time to make serious good art. I can't wait to see your TRO-ish book, Marauder648.
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It takes time to make serious good art. I can't wait to see your TRO-ish book, Marauder648.
Thank ya :) Due to the workload at work i've not been able to work on it that much but it should, fingers crossed be out around xmas, i'll have to figure out how to use dropbox so folks can download it.
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Thank ya :) Due to the workload at work i've not been able to work on it that much but it should, fingers crossed be out around xmas, i'll have to figure out how to use dropbox so folks can download it.
Set the folder to public, then just go to the public link for it by right clicking on it.
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Set the folder to public, then just go to the public link for it by right clicking on it.
...Wot?...
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...Wot?...
Ze dropbox and sharing folder or file.
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Reading this thread I have to wonder: Am I the only person that actually really likes the Avalon's current orientation?
The artwork in this thread is amazing. is the artist's plate full, or is he taking on more commissions? How much does he charge if he is willing to take on more?
Actually I stopped talking about it because I didn't want to promote thread drift...
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I like the looks of the 3067 ships, if anything the Av needed the 'sheilds' to run along its entire flanks and pointing astern, with the missile launchers being in VLS mounts under hatches along the 'shields' whilst the few guns she has are on the upper and lower portions along her flanks.
The 3057 IS ships need work though and they need work badly. But they will probably be a project for next year :)
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Whilst I liked its shape and form the Berzerker never really lived up to its fluff. The fluff said that Defiance spent ungodly amounts of CBills making the 'zerker look scary. But she looked like something shaped by Apple, lots of smooth edges and rounded corners. The Mech performed amazing but it just looked a bit...eh.
So I asked Mr Plogg to have a pop at making a 'zerker C3 that was possibly in the hands of a Solaris jock who took the time to customise his or her ride to make it look a bit more ROWR.
http://i.imgur.com/HPnTzJ1.png
And as for developments in space....well..
http://i.imgur.com/KMOWMLX.png
Undentified vessel approaching.
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Good stuff!
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Love the artwork.
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The somewhat tentatively named Onslaught class Assault Frigate
http://i.imgur.com/TAeEdIC.jpg
And a Berserker C3 with visual tweaks by a Gladiator at Solaris.
http://i.imgur.com/6gLTA20.jpg
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The Berserker is very cool
The WarShip is fantastic work but I'm not a huge fan
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Makes me wish I could get some Miniature upgrades for some of these ships.
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The somewhat tentatively named Onslaught class Assault Frigate
http://i.imgur.com/TAeEdIC.jpg
It reminds me of the Bentenmaru from Bodacious Space Pirates.
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Onslaught looks great, but the rear needs to be slimmed down a bit.
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The somewhat tentatively named Onslaught class Assault Frigate
http://i.imgur.com/TAeEdIC.jpg
It reminds of the ship used in the Last Star Fighter. Which itself adapts well to Battletech considering WHOM they were protecting.. ^-^
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The design inspiration is actually more this.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll224/Slominator/sobek01.jpg)
From Freespace II
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New (well old really) arrivals joining the fleet soon. These are WIP's.
(http://i.imgur.com/Ta9mkbW.jpg)
The Fearless class assault ship (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=52612.0) SLS Borodino moving in system.
http://i.imgur.com/Ta9mkbW.jpg
The Endeavour class long range exploration vessel SLS C.Sagan as completed and in service before leaving on one of her first cruises to the space beyond the Periphery.
(http://i.imgur.com/dgoh7Lk.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/dgoh7Lk.jpg
As always, all credit to Matt Plog
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very nice
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Ooooh a B5 Omega style rotational section?
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Ooooh a B5 Omega style rotational section?
Yep! She's based on the Soviet spaceship the Alexi Leonov from 2010 and the Omega's rotating section is visually identical to that on the Leonov :)
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Yep! She's based on the Soviet spaceship the Alexi Leonov from 2010 and the Omega's rotating section is visually identical to that on the Leonov :)
Fun fact: Omega has launching bays for Starfury in her rotational sections, using the centrifugal force to sling them out. They never got to make that footage though so they used the "Mouth" bay launching over and over when it was originally for recovering the star fury.
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I really like the Endeavor! Love to see stats on that!
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New (well old really) arrivals joining the fleet soon. These are WIP's.
(http://i.imgur.com/Ta9mkbW.jpg)
The Fearless class assault ship (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=52612.0) SLS Borodino moving in system.
http://i.imgur.com/Ta9mkbW.jpg
The Endeavour class long range exploration vessel SLS C.Sagan as completed and in service before leaving on one of her first cruises to the space beyond the Periphery.
(http://i.imgur.com/dgoh7Lk.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/dgoh7Lk.jpg
As always, all credit to Matt Plog
Wow, these two sketches are awesome. I absolutely dig their style. Purely in terms of shape and aesthetics the assault ship would also make for a very terrifying battleship if given some heavy broadsides (visually I mean).
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Well the Fearless class is actually based on a Battleship's hull. It was based on the retiring Monsoon class, the builders used that as a baseline and just went from there, to make it thicker and taller.
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/5/5d/Monsoon.jpg)
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Jump complete!
The Fearless class assault ship SLS Borodino sits at a la-grange point waiting to be moved into a dockyard for a yearly overhaul. As a troop carrier the Fearless class does not have any organic dropships save two assault dropships used for escorting the large ship and her charges when troops are onboard, both have undocked and been reassigned to another active ship.
(http://i.imgur.com/XSuPpub.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/XSuPpub.jpg
The Endeavour class explorer SLS C. Sagan moving slowly in system, her dropship has detached to begin examining an asteroid deep in uninhabited space.
(http://i.imgur.com/ovsIniX.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/ovsIniX.jpg
All art by the glorious Matt Plog - http://mattplog.deviantart.com/
And you can read about the Fearless, its background and stats here;
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=52612.0
And the Endeavour's background information and design are here;
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=55260.0
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Stunningly beautiful! O0
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Are you going include stats for these ships in your book?
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No, the book is NOT going to be a TRO with stats or the like, its going to be a pure fluff book. But I could put something together for the non-canon ships as well
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No, the book is NOT going to be a TRO with stats or the like, its going to be a pure fluff book. But I could put something together for the non-canon ships as well
Thank you, the non-stat ones would be the one which would need it. :)
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Yar, only 5 ships thus far, the Liparius, Onslaught, Arbitration, Fearless and Endeavour classes. Hmm..an odd number...should fix that...
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I would love to get this book. Is there a way I can get it?
No, the book is NOT going to be a TRO with stats or the like, its going to be a pure fluff book. But I could put something together for the non-canon ships as well
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When it's done i'll be putting a link here for folks to grab it, and it will be free. Its going to be a PDF and will be laid out like a B-tech book, so landscape. No stats (save for the non-canon ships) and pure fluff with it being a fair chunk of headcanon and interpretation to bulk out the ships backgrounds and design. Also some of the data is DELIBERATELY going to be wrong. This is an arm chair admiral's book, not an official military publication.
An example of the kind of writing it'll have is below. But please note this isn't finished and fully proof read.
Vincent Mk-24 Class Corvette
With the SLDF navies ranks filled with aging and obsolete or obsolescent corvettes tenders were put out In 2325 for a new class of corvette to replace the aging Bonaventure and Vigilant classes as well as the older Tracker class ships. That the relative newcomer to the ship building scene Delhi Ships won the contract was a big surprise, especially as it was a Capellan firm, and the Hegemony and Capellan’s had recently been enemies.
Some politicians even said that it was ironic that the design was to be designed build and paid for in part by repatriations from the Capellan’s after the invasion of Terra Firma was repulsed. What emerged was a vessel larger than any corvette that had come before and was a superb, flexible and reliable patrol craft. Whilst poorly armed as a warship, it was enough to outgun Pirate ships and it could crush any dropship in service. Its mix of autocannons and missiles were also reliable and easily maintained and thanks to the ships expansive cargo capacity the amount of ammunition carried could keep a ship in action for hours.
The advanced semi-modular nature of the Vincent meant that it was also very easy to upgrade and maintain and various sub classes were planned but these never entered wide scale service. Amongst the planned ships were a light carrier, a squadron leader, a hospital and disaster relief ship and others. The potent sensor systems on the Vincent also let it carry out ‘dirty picture’ runs along the borders of Hegemony space and it was one of the first Warships that a visitor to a Hegemony world would see when entering their space.
Built in their hundreds the class fought hard in the Amaris Civil War and the survivors left with General Kerensky.
The Vincent was also heavily exported to member states of the Star League, all be it stripped down ‘monkey’ versions that lacked the advanced Hegemony sensor arrays and computer systems. Unfortunately, these were all gone by the end of the Second Succession War.
Loved by their crews and praised for their reliability the Vincent was a superb investment for the Hegemony. The armament of the Vincent is simple but effective and reflects their patrol boat nature. The main punch comes from a quartet of light naval autocannons, able to bring two to bare on each broadside arc. Whilst not much of a threat to a larger vessel they can crack open a dropship with a few hits. For longer range engagements a pair of Barracuda Missiles in the bow were fitted as was eight Mech scale large lasers for point defense. By any standard this is a light loadout, especially for so large a ship, but it was adequate for their intended role.
The Vincent was also quite nimble for an SLDF ship. With a pair of huge Howser 2G2 ‘Hotfire’ primary thrusters can generate a sustained 3G of thrust whilst 2,000 tons of fuel give good range and endurance. The Hotfire engines also proved to be reliable despite being compact although at full burn they produce an exceptionally bright thruster bloom.
The Vincent also boasted a simply gargantuan cargo capacity for its size, over 97,000 tons of cargo could be carried allowing the ship to operate if needed as an armed priority freighter. Other roles saw Vincents operating as tanker, her cargo space taken by massive tanks of liquid hydrogen for Warships and dropships. This fuel could then be transferred to a friendly warship or dropship by a hose and drogue system although this was a slow process and required both warships to be at a complete halt.
The Vincent’s armour is a mere 76 tons of Lamellar Ferro-Carbidide plate that is barely adequate against fighters and assault dropships but woefully vulnerable against Warships. But again, in the environment they were to fight in this was deemed acceptable. A Vincent was never meant to be alone. They would patrol as a group of 4 – 6 ships and in a squadron like this, they could pose a threat to a larger vessel and hunt down pirates and raiders. Each craft also carried 6 Aerospace fighters for point defense and reconnaissance duties but when combined with the flights from other Vincents it was a formidable threat.
In Clan service the aerospace compliment has been enlarged and they carry a point of Aerospace fighters (10 craft) but neither the SLDF or Clans fitted a dropship collar. In Clan service the Vincent was seemingly meant to be replaced by the smaller and more efficient Fredasa but thanks to the sheer number of Vincent’s that survived the Exodus of the SLDF this plan is still seemingly a long way off from completion.
Armament
4 x AK-175 Light naval autocannons.
2 x SSM-550 ‘Barracuda’ Missile launch systems.
8 x Series 7.5DS ER Large Lasers
6/10 x Aerospace Fighters
2 x Type 5 ‘Mule’ Multi-role shuttle
1 x Mark VII Crew/COD shuttle
1 x Type 6 ‘Vesper’ Spaceborn refueling shuttle.
Sensors
Mod 6 ‘Eagle Eye’ long range imaging
Type 182 ‘Iskandar’ 3D phased array/LIDAR
Type 500 Mod 9 ‘Dog howl’ multiphasic broad spectrum ECM
Type 202 ‘Gauntlet Strike’ phased 3D Active/Passive tracking
Zeta GMD sensor.
Type 206 Mod 3 ‘Sirens Voice’ communications array
*nervous sweating about the lack of comments*
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This stuff is beautiful! I love the redesigns you have imagined for these sometimes wonky looking ships! Your original content is also on point :) I love the look of that explorer ship! Head Canon wise it makes a lot of sense too. The SL would, with its ungodly amount of resources, definitely want a ship to find and exploit more. I like the idea of it being privately done by House Cameron to seek out new territory ;p
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Also love your fluff! Very well written :)
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Also love your fluff! Very well written :)
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Great write up!
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Also love your fluff! Very well written :)
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now +2
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Again they are all great
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*nervous sweating about the lack of comments*
No reasons for. Absolutely no reasons ... ;)
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New (WIP) Ships on radar.
(http://i.imgur.com/4k9WYOi.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/4k9WYOi.jpg
The Dauntless Class Destroyer Escort.
Designed to be a close escort for capital ships and to engage hostile fighters and dropships using the latest small craft targeting systems to engage fighters and dropships at long range before they became a threat. Most SLDF vessels lacked any appreciative anti-fighter and anti-missile defences, instead relying on numbers and raw firepower to overwhelm a foe in conjunction with their technological and training advantage they had over the House Fleets. But the weak anti-fighter and missile defences were seen as a flaw that could be exploited by a canny opponent as had happened time and again in the Reunification War.
To cover this gap a new escort ship was ordered to act as a close escort. Whilst based originally on the Vincent class corvette the new design was stretched out by another hundred and thirty five meters. Despite this the weight went down to 400,000 tons. The ship whilst longer, is lighter and its engines are based on those on the Lyran Mako class corvette to provide a ferocious amount of thrust, pushing the design to a maximum of 4g of thrust. This allowed it to move round a convoy or fleet to meet a threat coming in.
Unlike the Vincent the new design's cargo was limited to over 17,000 tons of cargo giving the vessel a somewhat limited endurance in terms of supplies and spare parts. A lithium fusion battery was also not installed due to a lack of space. Instead everything went into weapons, batteries of NL-35's in quad mounts and batteries of Barracuda missiles provide the main anti-fighter punch. The heavy anti-shipping punch comes in the form of a pair of light gauss rifles and a quartet of White Shark missiles all mounted in the bow. A layer of AMS are also installed to shield the ship and let her protect her larger charges from hostile missile strikes. This comes at a cost as the heat system is over stressed and can barely control half the weapons load. The ships were also very uncomfortable to serve on, a tiny grav deck, cramped crew quarters and limited space made them unsuitable for patrols or long duration missions and they were to be tied to escorting the battlewagon's of the fleet.
The Dauntless class as it was known was just entering service at the outbreak of the Amaris Civil War and of the 20 in service were destroyed in combat on the march towards Terra.
AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
VALIDATED
Class/Model/Name: Dauntless class Destroyer Escort
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type: WarShip
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Rules Set: AeroTech2
Mass: 400,000 tons
K-F Drive System: (Unknown)
Length: 537 meters
Sail Diameter: 986 meters
Power Plant: Standard
Safe Thrust: 5
Maximum Thrust: 8
Armor Type: Ferro-carbide
Armament:
4 White Shark
2 Light N-Gauss
28 Large Pulse Laser
14 Large Laser
10 Medium Laser
21 AMS
32 NL35
16 Barracuda
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Class/Model/Name: Dauntless.
Mass: 400,000 tons
Equipment: Mass
Power Plant, Drive & Control: 120,000.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 5
Maximum Thrust: 8
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive: Compact (Integrity = 9) 181,000.00
Jump Sail: (Integrity = 4) 50.00
Structural Integrity: 45 18,000.00
Total Heat Sinks: 1,000 Double 466.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 7,257.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters: 1,000.00
Fire Control Computers: .00
Armor Type: Ferro-carbide (240 total armor pts) 262.00
Capital Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Fore: 40
Fore-Left/Right: 40/40
Aft-Left/Right: 40/40
Aft: 40
Cargo:
Bay 1: Small Craft (4) 800.00
Grav Decks #1 - 2: (75-meter diameter) 100.00
Life Boats: 19 (7 tons each) 133.00
Escape Pods: 19 (7 tons each) 133.00
Crew and Passengers:
35 Officers (35 minimum) 350.00
90 Crew (90 minimum) 630.00
75 Gunners (67 minimum) 525.00
28 Marines 140.00
20 Bay Personnel .00
Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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4 White Shark(80 msls) Nose 12 12 12 12 60 3,680.00
2 Light N-Gauss(60 rounds) Nose 30 30 30 30 18 9,012.00
4 Large Pulse Laser Nose 4(36) 4(36) -- -- 40 28.00
4 Large Laser Nose 5(47) 3(32) -- -- 32 20.00
3 Medium Laser 9 3.00
3 AMS(300 rounds) Nose -- -- -- -- 3 26.50
4 NL35 FL/R 14 14 14 -- 416 5,600.00
3 Barracuda(90 msls) FL/R 6 6 6 6 60 5,940.00
5 Large Pulse Laser FL/R 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
3 AMS(300 rounds) FL/R -- -- -- -- 6 53.00
4 NL35 L/RBS 14 14 14 -- 416 5,600.00
4 NL35 L/RBS 14 14 14 -- 416 5,600.00
3 Large Laser L/RBS 3(34) 2(24) -- -- 48 30.00
2 Medium Laser 12 4.00
3 AMS(300 rounds) L/RBS -- -- -- -- 6 53.00
4 NL35 AL/R 14 14 14 -- 416 5,600.00
3 Barracuda(90 msls) AL/R 6 6 6 6 60 5,940.00
5 Large Pulse Laser AL/R 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
3 AMS(300 rounds) AL/R -- -- -- -- 6 53.00
4 Barracuda(120 msls) Aft 8 8 8 8 40 3,960.00
4 Large Pulse Laser Aft 4(36) 4(36) -- -- 40 28.00
4 Large Laser Aft 5(47) 3(32) -- -- 32 20.00
3 Medium Laser 9 3.00
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TOTALS: Heat: 2,345 382,239.50
Tons Left: 17,760.50
Design by Vition2
(http://i.imgur.com/4sfP3LT.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/4sfP3LT.jpg
Blackwatch class Observation vessel.
What little is known of this vessel, all logs of it were lost during the Amaris crisis. What is know is that the Blackwatch is a 'deep black' project, funded completely off the books, crewed and maintained at unknown locations in the Hegemony.
The vessel once started off as a Bug Eye class spyship, but whereas the Bug Eye was meant to spy on enemies external. The Blackwatch looked inwards and may have never left the Hegemony's borders. Unlike the Bug Eye the Blackwatch was built not to be spotted and not to be found. Its hull was angled and shaped so to deflect radar as well as having hull plating that absorbed LIDAR emissions. It was painted jet black and its hyper advanced sensors and electronics worked so their emissions were very hard to detect. The main thruster array was also of a unique design, instead of large thruster's the ships engine was broken down into lots of smaller thrusters that were linked with supercoolers and ion emitters, this, combined with the hull plating gave the ship a remarkably low thermal and electircal output making her even harder to detect. It is rumored that the Blackwatch's spying systems could also intercept a radio emission and replicate it, fooling a computer into thinking that it had found nothing even if it got a solid return, but like everything with these ultra specialised ships, it is now subject to conjecture and hearsay.
This was of course extremely expensive to construct and each ship was in essence hand built with only eight entering service not as part of the SLDF but in direct service to House Cameron and the First Lord. The sheer cost and difficulty in maintaining, constructing and of course crewing such vessels, with their small crews hand picked for loyalty and dedication to House Cameron kept them from ever being official vessels, to the Inner Sphere, they did not exist. It is believed that the missions were carried out at the behest of the Royal Black Watch or a branch of them (possibly the Blackhearts), who in turn reported to the First Lord and his (or her) Chief of Intelligence. Each ship was unarmed, save for a pair of one megaton scuttling charges that were to be triggered if the ship was discovered in the course of a mission and was unable to flee or avoid detection. This made each 'observation' mission in essence a potential suicide run as the crews would have to scuttle them if discovered by SLDF ships as well.
Note that picture is showing her stern aspect, you can see the rings of smaller thruster ports for the main drive. The long 'spindle' sticking out the stern is a fully contained reefing system for the jump sail.
As always, all credit for the art goes to Matt Plog and these WIP's should be finished soonish.
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Will the Blackwatch get stats?
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The first one I want to face in combat... and see crack open
Excellent art and for an SLDF era ship not bad stats but still I don't think it would last long in its intended role.
On a personal not I would change the medium Lasers to small versions. Reason is I can use them as a Poor Mans AMS if all else fails
Second one I like I'd note a sense of Avalon with the way she's looked at but I think that's intentional. I'm not actually sure if the you can't see me trick would work in BT detection wise purely because i don't know enough about the way detection works. I always thought it was nigh impossible to hide a ship which was why all the others were fluffed as looking like merchant men but hey I'm happy to be wrong
Love the second ones art that is cool
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Wow, great additions!
Marauder, your certainly dedicated to this! Are you going have a custom cover for this PDF done as well?
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Great add ons.
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I'm glad you like 'em guys :) The Dauntless is meant to be a glass canon, and is far from perfect as she's still built with the SLDF mindset of quantity having its own quality and they were designed with an eye towards mass production even if they have heat problems like the Kimagure class.
As for the Blackwatch's stealth, that's purely headcanon,there's no rules for it at all and I have no idea how it would work, or if it could. Because of this she'd be a fluff ship which is fitting for a ghost :)
As for stats, not sure, she's basically a slightly longer and slower bug eye but with no weapons.
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Anything in a typical playing area is indeed pretty much automatically detected under normal rules.
When discussing warship detection ranges, they are in more of a strategic thing, with massive ranges. There are 6 ways detection happens (SO pgs 117-119):
IR Jump Signature
Max range 50,000 km
Detects incoming Jumps prior to the ship arriving
Length of time this can be detected before arrival dependent on several factors, different per ship.
Emergence Wave
Jump arrival sets this off
Detection check to separate it from background noise, more difficult to detect than IR Jump Signature.
Detects out to 15 AU, which are 150,000,000 km each (that is a max range of from the sun, past Uranus, and almost to Neptune)
Larger K-F drives and larger dropship capacities will make the check easier, a Potemkin is very easy to spot this way.
Radio Triangulation
If you broadcast IFF you are autodetected by this method
Civilians can use this out to 500,000 km
Military units can use this out to 10,000,000 km
Can be used to track HPG bursts, similarly to Emergence Waves.
Drive Plumes
Detection check starts with a base and gets a modifier per 5,000,000 km between you and target.
Detection range dependent entirely on how well you roll, and how far away they are.
Only one check per hour though.
Active Radar
One check per hour
Radar Range for large craft is 5555 hexes (100,000 km)
Large craft autodetect anything within 1/10th that.
Small craft, fighters, and capital missiles have a max range of 555 hexes (1000 km) and an autodetect within 1/10th that.
If using active radar, a large craft can be detected at 1,000,000 km
(The autodetect range allows you to make normal weapon attacks)
Optical/Thermal Detection
Large Craft have 1,388 hexes (25,000 km) range.
Small stuff has 139 hexes (2500 km).
Large Craft autodetect and can make normal weapon attacks using these sensors inside a range of 139 hexes.
Small craft can do the same with a range of 14 hexes.
(This allows warships to attack even at extreme range without using active radar)
Any of these can be used to make bearings only capital missile launches against targets.
Small NCSS doubles this range, and gives a bonus on these checks.
Large NCSS triples these ranges and gives a bigger bonus.
ECM and Active Probes also affect this stuff as well.
To see exact bonuses and rules see pgs 117-119 in strategic operations for advanced sensors and pg 333 of tactical operations for NCSS rules
I have no idea how your stealth systems would work. I am interested in how you decide these stealth systems would work for your AU.
Most of my stealth warship operations involve:
1-Arriving far enough outside the system that the emergence wave would go undetected.
2-Accelerating to transit speeds and turning off my drive so drive plumes can't be seen, and staying that way as much as possible.
3-Using NCSS to detect things from further away and stay out of everyone else's detection ranges.
4-Building a sub-compact warship that is a dropship lookalike and blends in with normal civilian traffic (Dragon Cat has done this one as well, in his AU).
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I doubt the Blackwatch will ever have any rules, she's a pure fluff unit because I went "I want a stealthy looking ship for sneaky beaky stuff". She's a tiny ship at 6,200 tons, smaller than a fair few dropships in weight and would probably use the bug-eye's trick of jumping in at the same time as another vessel, probably a support ship of some nature.
Also they could jump in really far away and then boost slowly in system, and ensure that she's doing missions over a planet on the night side, but i've no idea about the actual rules and that. These are near unique vessels, a mix of the F-117 and the U2 in their capabilities.
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the U2 in their capabilities.
Wait they wandering aimlessly playing "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" on their stereos? ;)
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Wait they wandering aimlessly playing "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" on their stereos? ;)
Possibly :p But when a mission goes well..its a beautiful day :p
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Possibly :p But when a mission goes well..its a beautiful day :p
That would be the Sweetest thing, like Dancing Barefoot in the Endless Deep
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We could keep doing this joke until the End of the World but let us not eh? :p
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It could easily be a thread all on its own if we did lol
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The Blackwatch is wonderful a design!!!!!!
Almost of an non-human quality. Would like to design a Clan warship variant from ...
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The completed Blackwatch class 'Observation' ship.
(http://i.imgur.com/alBLL3J.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/alBLL3J.jpg
As always all credit to Matt Plog.
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Nice!
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That is cool
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Great picture. I wonder how many people are going thing that pointy back end is the front... ;D
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I thought that to start with but unlike the Avalon this one works either way
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Very nice, is this the Clan replacement for the Bug Eye??
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That Black Watch is gorgeous! I am currently playing through the remastered Homeworld and it reminds me of some of the Taiidan and Vagyr ships with its design :)
Did that factor in at all, or simply coincidence?
Ah, the might of these navies! Makes me wish Warships could have a bigger role in my favorite eras like Dark Age and Third-Fourth Succession War!
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Very nice, is this the Clan replacement for the Bug Eye??
Nah the Clans would find such a ship abhorrent, she's basically a spy ship that was used by a department of the Hegemony's intelligence service to keep an eye on its own people and people of interest when they visited the Hegemony.
As for the design, Plog went with something that kind of looked like a WW2 submarine with a long but thin looking hull. To make her have cargo and space this meant she was quite tall but she's really tiny for a Warship at 159 meters long.
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The completed Dauntless class Destroyer Escort
(http://i.imgur.com/bPWDY2N.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/bPWDY2N.jpg
Seen her firing her Barracuda missiles whilst her AMS and Mech scale weaponry engages incoming hostiles.
By the amazing - http://mattplog.deviantart.com/
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Wow what a great looking ship, It be interesting to try it out.
Thanks again for your dedication to this project, Marauder648!
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I am very much looking forward to the completed book, if the artwork is any indication, it is gonna be great!
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Love the new art. Can't wait to see the complete project.
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I actually don't want it to end...
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The Blackwatch is definitely the breakout character in this world of Warships: Nice concept, stunning art, both combining novelty with familiarity. I love it.
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Love seeing the Dropship with the ship.
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I'm glad you folks are liking the artwork :) The document is in the process of being grammar/spell checked by a friend of mine whom i've told to go full grammar facist on it and he is. Then its a case of sorting out the PDF and the like. Should be ready some time in December :)
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[drool]
I am soo looking forward to this!
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It will be epic with all that art you funded, Marauder. Given the taste of the fluff to come with your PDF, it going be grand Christmas gift for us fans. Thanks! O0
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I actually don't want it to end...
Funny you should say that...
(http://i.imgur.com/RCUDb2a.jpg)
Ark Royal Class Heavy Fleet Carrier.
(http://i.imgur.com/Ua12dlv.jpg)
Antares class heavy fleet tender.
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Wow, those look good. :o [drool]
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The Antares Class Fleet Tender.
(http://i.imgur.com/2u6U12W.jpg)
Squat, ugly, slow and always smelling of lubricants, fuel and other vapours the Antares was also the unsung hero of the fleet and a vital part of Logistics command. Whilst most SLDF WarShips had large volumes of cargo onboard it was actually rare for this to be fully utilised. Most patrols, exercises and deployment's didn't require them to be fully loaded. And even if they were, the cargo usually consisted of food, water, fuel and ammunition that would be for that ship alone. To support the fleet the Antares was a genuine workhorse, her huge grav-deck gave other ships crews enough time in a less stressful and less cramped G-positive environment and the ships were fitted with storage tanks for fuel and water as well as more exotic liquids like weapons coolant as well as assorted petrochemical fuels.
Onboard workshops would allow the Antares to service fighters and shuttles and they also carried large quantities of spare parts ranging from nuts and bolts up to heavy naval PPC barrels and electromagnets. Whilst not capable of repairing ships outer hulls as well as a dedicated facility the Antares could keep a WarShip or DropShip in the field and save them from the long trip back to a repair yard to be serviced and overhauled.
Practically unarmed and always heavily escorted the Antares use to the SLDF waned somewhat with the large scale deployment of the Newgrange YardShips but they still offered a cheap and easily deployable solution rather than the hugely expensive and vulnerable Newgrange's, and they were greatly valued by the House fleet's who lacked the SLDF's logistic support. Whilst over two dozen remained in the Inner Sphere after the Amaris Civil War and Operation EXODUS the class was all but extinct by the end of the Second Succession War, with the three survivors being part of Comstar's hidden fleet.
The Ark Royal class heavy fleet carrier.
(http://i.imgur.com/ucIk6Gt.jpg)
In the post Reunification War period the SLDF spent a great deal of time assessing the battles and lessons learned. One was that aerospace fighters were a potent weapon but only when given sufficient numbers could they threaten a WarShip. The SLDF lacked a carrier like the Sarmakand class and had bought several off the Combine prior to the War and then looked to producing their own Hegemony grown design. As with many SLDF designs it suffered from design bloat and grew from a 108 strong fighter group to 216 strong, more than enough to overwhelm all but the most massive of defences.
The designs cost was prohibitive and construction was not approved whilst studies were carried out with the carrier's supporters facing a challenge from those who espouced the use of DropShips as carriers. After months of debate the carrier supporters won. They pointed out that whilst carrier DropShips were useful they also imposed a heavy penalty on ships carrying them in terms of extra crew, extra supplies and parts that were difficult to move from the WarShip to DropShip. And if a carrier DropShip was destroyed its fighters were orphans and would probably have to be abandoned by their pilots if there was not enough berths aboard nearby WarShips.
A dedicated carrier could carry more fighters and their related personnel in greater comfort as well as be able to service their own fighters and maintain in better conditions than on any DropShip Carrier. A carrier WarShip was also self escorting, faster strategically and more flexible.
Carrier DropShips of course remained in production, they were a useful stopgap and 'filler' and they were loved by the House Lords fleets as a force muiltiplier.
The SLDF Carrier class the Ark Royal was slow to build due to her size and cost and each one was fitted as a flagship. Whilst capable of defending themselves they were meant to stand off and use their fighters as their main weapon and would always be heavily escorted. Even after the disaster of the Enterprise class the Ark Royal's remained in service and all 18 served in the Amaris Civil War. Seen as priority targets only three survived to see Terra liberated and one of those was too badly damaged and had to be scuttled. The other two the SLS Yorktown and SLS Formidable both departed with General Kerensky's forces in EXODUS and have not been seen since.
Art by the amazing Mat Plog.
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I couldn't see the pictures, so I went to the source and they look good..
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Those ships are amazing! Plogg really is a great artist and i like the background fluff you wrote for these two, Marauder648.
Are you going update your book/pdf with these or they destine for something else?
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Jaw dropping.... O0
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The Ark Royal is really great O0
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Once again beautiful ships and beautiful fluff O0
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Now the Ark Royal definitely has 'WARSHIP - BRINGER OF DOOM' written all over her.
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The Antares Class Fleet Tender, does it have stats
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She does but they need to be redone, she's cruiser sized and carries LOTS of cargo, has a MASH with a large number of beds, liquid cargo, big grav deck, no fighters but lots of shuttles, 6 dropships, no anti-warship armament but a big battery of Mech weapons for point defense as well as some AMS.
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I'd suggest some Naval Lasers and Cudas there's no point to a WarShip sized ship if it's outgunned by a Pocket WarShip
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Could work but basically I envision her as basically something akin to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFA_Fort_Victoria_(A387)
They carry parts for the ships, fuel, ammunition as well as spare Mechs, aerospace fighters, tanks, guns, everything. They are supply ships that are meant to be moved in convoy or attached to battlegroups out on patrol. A big battery of mech scale weapons as a flak barrier and some AMS therefore works, but slapping some 'cuda's on for long range 'go away!' effects against fighters makes sense too :)
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Oh and Dragon Cat, or anyone, if you want to use these ships in your stories or alter them and use 'em, go right ahead :)
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The last two I might have use of in the future - good distance away though
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I just might take you up on that.
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****** it! I did a nice big post about the Antares but it didn't go through and now I can't remember it!
Anyhow, the way I see the Antares is that whilst she's a Fleet Tender she's a support craft for the SLDF as a whole. She'd carry anything from NAC barrels and ammunition to the tiny nuts and bolts that go on the inside of a mech's hand actuator assembly. She's got tanks onboard for dropship/fighter/warship fuel as well as liquid storage for water and petrochemicals. There would probably be a MASH on board but you could also expect that some would be constructed as hospital ships with hundreds upon hundreds of beds for wounded personnel and dozens of surgery labs.
They carry ammunition, spare parts, replacement Mechs, dissasembled aerospace fighters, food, rations, everything. Most combat dropships seem to lack the cargo space to actually do anything other than land on the surface of a world and then that's about it, with a few hundred tons of bits to keep their Mech's going. With an Antares around a military operation would be dependent on her for ammuntion, replacement parts etc and dropships could be shuttling back and forth between the surface and orbit to get that.
The old TRO2750 described that the Potemkin was always reliant on supply ships and tankers due to the huge consumption rates of their 25 dropships. This ship basically fills both rolls. They'd be seen in company with Newgrange's or in convoys of 2 - 4 ships or during the Amaris crisis when supporting an entire SLDF army the convoy could be a dozen strong with heavy escort.
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Emergence in 3...2...1
(http://i.imgur.com/7QADCvD.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/attaFkq.jpg)
Anyone want to guess what they are?
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Top one is a shoe-in for the Kirishima, and I have no idea what the bottom one is so I'll spitball with a guess for the Potemkin?
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Correct and KIND of correct. :D
The Kirishima needed some work, but of the IS 3057 ships she's the one I like. I loved the nose and forwards hull arrangement but she was WAY too short and didn't seem to have any engines.
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I like the Kirishima it looks great
The other one well I can't help but like for reasons😉
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Yeeeeeeeees :P Reasons :P
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With the "Kind of correct comment, I'll guess: Arcship?
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With the "Kind of correct comment, I'll guess: Arcship?
Congratulations! You win..err...er... this thing! - https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a5/a9/77/a5a977e2d95af73ffb2488ae6d9e7999.jpg
Yep its an ArcShip.
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That's great. Question: I was under the impression from the fiction of the MWDA novel, Hunters of the Deep, that ArchShips (least made from Potemkins) were covered bow to stern with retired/hollowed-out Behemoth/Mule-class DropShips. I take it this ship is a different variant of those? They did use more than Potemkins, like Volga and Sovetskii Soyuz-Class WarShips too.
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There's 4 Behemoth's at the stern and she's also got lots of hydroponic areas, there's also going to be another dropship added on the upper hull.
Whilst based on the Potemkin each ArcShip seems to be unique in their looks, its more a designation than a class.
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Cant wait for more updates.
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I'm grateful for the update. O0
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That's great. Question: I was under the impression from the fiction of the MWDA novel, Hunters of the Deep, that ArchShips (least made from Potemkins) were covered bow to stern with retired/hollowed-out Behemoth/Mule-class DropShips. I take it this ship is a different variant of those? They did use more than Potemkins, like Volga and Sovetskii Soyuz-Class WarShips too.
The main reason I believe marauder and PLOG went with the Potemkin is it's the basis of the ArcShip in my AU
Since WarShips are still an active part of that the Sea Foxes other classes have been retained as WarShip instead of becoming ArcShips
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Very nice O0
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All comments are from our discussion via email.
The Nightlord Class battleship
http://i.imgur.com/ef99xT0.jpg
SLDF Era Congress (and hell keep it as the Clan era one too because the 90's era PC mouse of doom looks bloody aweful).
http://i.imgur.com/NMoydB0.jpg
What do you folks think?
Lets get these fan funded!
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Lets get these fan funded!
It already was :p
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=55756.0
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Complete emergence in 3...2...1
(http://i.imgur.com/RGtvyIF.jpg)
Kirishima class heavy Cruiser
I liked the look of the 3057 Shima, well at least its general style, but it had NO engines, nothing showing that could generate 4g of thrust, and she was waaaaaaaaay too short for a 764 meter vessel. So I asked Plog if he could do like he did with the Aegis, the same, but more. So she got longer, got some engines but kept the distinctive frontal section and hull layout that made the Kirishima quite pleasing on the eye (unlike every other 3057 IS ship which kicks you in the eye).
(http://i.imgur.com/PPxit1R.jpg)
ArcShip - Based off the Potemkin that Plog did, the ArcShip, the BIG ones start off as a Potemkin class and then get altered and changed as per the Aimag's desires, each ship is unique and a class unto itself in many ways, but at the core is a Potemkin. Here this one has 4 x Behemoth class dropships added astern to provide more internal hull space, she's also longer and heavier than a Potemkin. An old Overlord is attached to the spine whilst two Titan class carriers have been fitted into the hull to enhance the ships fighter complement.
What do you folks think?
Drawn by the AMAZING - http://mattplog.deviantart.com/
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I've got no visual on those images
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There we go, fixed it, i'm a stoopid hed.
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That's much better. I would have expected the ArcShip to be a bit bulkier in my mind's eye. To each his own, I guess. Still looks good, though.
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The Kirishima is sweet.
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Are those windows on the bow of the Kirishima? If so, they make for an odd ceiling under acceleration...
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Yep they are windows, the original design had them and its something you see repeated on a lot of the art that even with the thrust as per, the ships are laid out like star-trek/wars ships.
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Apparently Battletech shipwrights really like their skylights. :)
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Oh if you're talking about the one on top of the forwards hull structure i think thats the primary sensor array, basically thats the sensor head of the radars etc.
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I was talking about the windows below the nose art... I figured the other panel was a sensor array as you confirmed.
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nice
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I like the idea of DropShips as customization equipment modules for WarShips. It's probably my favorite aspect of the Arc ships.
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Pretty Sweet Ships!
Are you doing a Volume 2 your PDFs?
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I love seeing dropships attached to the Warship. Its what it would look like.
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Oh and Dragon Cat, or anyone, if you want to use these ships in your stories or alter them and use 'em, go right ahead :)
Hey bud I want to use your Ark Royal. Thanks for an amazing ship can I find stats anywhere?
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Marauder, I just wanted to say thanks for connecting me with Matt Plog! He's done two drawings for me so far, and there will be more when I free up more cash. I posted the LRM Goblin in my Glenmora Planetary Militia thread, and the Mark VII landing craft in my Mark VII deck plan thread.
Thanks again! O0
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Oh wow the shuttle's stunning! Where can I find the thread with the Goblin in it? And you're most welcome mate :) :) I'm glad you poked him!
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Pre-emergence neutrino's detected.
(http://i.imgur.com/XitiUoQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/nWz72YA.jpg)
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Nice bud!
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Holy cow! That looks great. These Star League designs or something new?
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Holy cow! That looks great. These Star League designs or something new?
Its the Fox and Impavido :)
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Its the Fox and Impavido :)
That Fox barely looks like one!
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It needed to, the damn thing was a sphere that had no discernable engines or weapons and looked like a fat dropship :p
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It actually looks like a WarShip me likey
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It needed to, the damn thing was a sphere that had no discernable engines or weapons and looked like a fat dropship :p
To me the Fox always looked like a birdie (the projectile used in badminton).
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Or a salt and pepper shaker
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Hah both of those work but yes, it looked like many things, except a space ship. No matter how much you squinted, unfocused your eyes and tilted it left and right.
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To me it always looked like it was drawn as a bridge between warship and dropship. I liked it, but to each their own lol.
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Complete Emergence in 3...2...1
Fox class Corvette
(http://i.imgur.com/XyO9TOs.jpg)
Impavido class destroyer
(http://i.imgur.com/KeIp5qz.jpg)
Drawn by the amazing - http://mattplog.deviantart.com/
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Love the Impavido, especially the bit of the dropships doing a high-speed insertion into the atmosphere.
Fox does not look like Fox to me, but it's pretty cool.
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I just hope the Impavido plans to overshoot otherwise it's gonna get messy
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I just hope the Impavido plans to overshoot otherwise it's gonna get messy
Her Captain right now
(https://media.giphy.com/media/4bWWKmUnn5E4/giphy.gif)
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Hahaha
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He must have a drinking problem.
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HE'S COMING RIGHT AT US!!!
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Hmm. Marauder648, I was uploading this to the Dropbox file to share and updating the thread, but then realized we don't have the stats for these in a single book. What are the chances we would ever see that?
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Good idea :) I'm also going to work on Delranes Fighting Ships vol 2 to include the re-done 3057 IS ships once they are complete. And this time it will be in landscape, not portrait.
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Love that Fox, so much better then the Salt Shaker.
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Very nice redesigns O0
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Yeah Plog nailed 'em :) I'm glad you folks like them :)
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Yeah Plog nailed 'em :) I'm glad you folks like them :)
So I was just thinking the Impavido here looks more like the Suffren. Just saying. Its still a killer looking ship.
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Ahh you spotted that, well that's really a problem of the two designs, they look rather similar. A box with a cucumber glued to the front. Don't worry the Suffren is coming.
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After Inner Sphere WS, is it an idea to do the Space Stations?
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I did have an idea for a very large shipyard/orbital command base of the SLDF era, more akin to BSG's Scorpia shipyards than "Oh look its a square/rectangle" shipyards in TRO 3057.
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Do you have stats for the Ark Royal, Fearless, Antares and Arbitration?
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Pretty sure the following are correct.
Fearless: http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=52612.0
One version of the Arbitration (there are at least 2 version which will be included in DC's universe, but he's drawing from a pair of designs, so there may actually be 4 versions of it): http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=55163.0
Arc Royal: http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=55443.0
Antares: http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=55513.0
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There's only one Arbitation it's special 😜
There's a second design which will look similar in places since it comes from same place but be its own class completely (won't even be same size)
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There's only one Arbitation it's special 😜
There's a second design which will look similar in places since it comes from same place but be its own class completely (won't even be same size)
And you're going to call it the Arbiter-class, just for esses and gees, right? ;D
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Partial emergence in 3...2...1
(http://i.imgur.com/roY60X1.jpg)
From Plog
Kyushu, This might be a little closer to the original shape than you thought i'd go, and that original was a bit boring. But not without it's merits. Additionally i did make some style and shape alterations. The bottom is broadened and has some seeming wings for the close altitude drops described in the text. As well as a number of drop holes for individual and specially prepared mechs. Given the way the ship loads assault teams into dropships three of the docking ports are close to where the mech facilities should be for ease of transfer. The other is up top and more likely reserved for defense or one that doesn't need rush loading.
(http://i.imgur.com/CHruEhH.jpg)
The Suffren has a much more concise shape to it, implying cohesion of design and function. But it still retains some of the originals design elements just modified.
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State-of-the-art O0
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Lookin good!
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Yeah i'm really pleased with them :) I like the Suffren as she seems based a bit on the mouse of doom look of the Congress and that Comstar based the design on her.
The Kyushu looks more aggressive too and like she can carry her mech's and dropships.
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I'd take the wings off the Kyushu anyone takes it near an atmo they'll regret it
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I'd take the wings off the Kyushu anyone takes it near an atmo they'll regret it
I'd say they are more asthetic, she's not going into the atmosphere after all.
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I'd say they are more aesthetic, she's not going into the atmosphere after all.
She does look off, i was thinking she was modified in drydock.
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Suffren looks good Kyushu is a little off but looks good.
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In what way does she look 'off' its probably the angle as she's partially rolled towards us to bare her belly.
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I like the angle but to me the wings make it look like a big aerodyne DropShip
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To me the Kyushu looks 'off' because as close to atmosphere as is being described a warship wouldn't have it's belly towards the planet, it would have it's aft, in order to counter gravity's pull on the ship. From what I understand that is standard for close range orbital bombardment, and I'd think it would be standard for this kind of maneuver as well. I'd have the mechs being launched from the sides so they clear the fire from the ship's drive, before dropping down onto the planet... or maybe putting the dropbays in the mini-wings for the same reason. The little wings don't really bother me though.
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I'm not sure about that I think it would be a fly past and drop out the sides would still run the risk of striking the drive plume surely? The pods don't have that much propulsion
I think the Kyushu would aim to miss orbit basically a flyby using minimal thrust ejecting the pods into gravitys pull then nature does the rest and the WarShip carries on its course
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The Kyushu can only deploy four 'Mechs per turn (minute) from it's own bays (it only has 2 doors for 108 mechs), so if it is doing a significant deployment by orbital insertion, it's gonna have to stay over the target deployment zone for a while.
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Or in this picture she could have deployed what she wanted to drop off and is rolling away from the planet to start boosting away.
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The Kyushu can only deploy four 'Mechs per turn (minute) from it's own bays (it only has 2 doors for 108 mechs), so if it is doing a significant deployment by orbital insertion, it's gonna have to stay over the target deployment zone for a while.
Where do you that from? I remember reading that like the Robinson it has a drop bay similar to those on the Overlord and the Robinson which are not covered in the specs but in the rules. They don't actually state how many drop hatches they have but it's I think a house rule. I haven't read up on that.
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The rules are in StratOps. Fighters, Mechs, tanks with VDCs, whatever. And it doesn't matter if the launching ship is in space, in atmosphere, or sitting on the ground. The launch rate for your bays is two units per door assigned to that bay. A Kyushu has 2 doors assigned to the mech bay, so it can chuck four mechs per turn, period. By comparison, a Robinson has four doors on its mech bay, for a launch rate of eight mechs per turn, and an Overlord's six doors means twelve mechs per turn.
The only exception is when you're dropping/offloading/evicting infantry units, conventional or BA. Those have no door requirements, you can chuck as many as you want in a given turn.
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Yeah, Basically each turn gravity is gonna pull you one hex closer to lawndarting the Kyushu while you are deploying those 'Mechs four per turn, so you would want to have your aft pointed at the planet to offset the pull. If you are far enough away for that to not be a concern your 'Mechs are gonna have to go an awfully long way through space before they hit the interface hex.
If you are flying by you are only dropping four 'Mechs per turn, so if you need to deploy more than that, you are scattering them across hundreds of kilometers of territory... or gravity is pulling your very expensive warship to it's doom.
Interestingly, the Kyushu could have five more doors than it has. If you were modifying one that would be a nice thing to add to it's 'Mech bays, jumping it up to fourteen 'Mechs deployed per turn. Dropping a company each turn would be more worthwhile for a flyby, in my opinion.
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I have no idea about the rules for throwing Mech's at a planet a-la Kyushu/Robinson so this was interesting :D
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It's all in StratOps. :)
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Complete Emergence in 3...2...1
Fox class Corvette
(http://i.imgur.com/XyO9TOs.jpg)
Drawn by the amazing - http://mattplog.deviantart.com/
Reminds me of a 3057 Black Lion.
I kinda liked the salt shaker look. It implied solidity, a no-frills, no-nonsense ethos. Kinda drove home that the Feds hadn't done such a thing in centuries and were basically learning everything from scratch.
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Deployment complete, forces inserted,
(http://i.imgur.com/zZMVrDo.jpg)
As always, all credit to Mat Plog for this Kyushu. Note you can click on the pic to enlarge it (and the others).
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Of course those drop bays could still work. Kyushu could be aft to the planet, and the drop bays kick out and away from the ship, then thrusters on them give a shove to send them in the direction of the planet. So they go across then down. That would even fit with the idea of decks being perpendicular to the ship's length, since standing on the deck, with a ship's aft to planet, a 'Mech in it's bay would be upright, and it's legs would already be pointed to the planet.
Either way, I do think it looks good, and I am used to most game's art not matching it's mechanics perfectly lol.
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(http://i.imgur.com/qxxGlAC.jpg)
CSV Anastasius Focht ready to carry out Blakes Will.
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Any thoughts on the Suffren?
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I like it. Looks better than the TRO 3057 version... as I've come to expect from this thread lol. O0
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I like the Suffren she's bulked out like a WarShip should look only thing im surprised about but at the same time accepting is the DropShip Collars
I always foresaw them spread along a ships back so the mass extension from them was along the whole hull instead of clustered
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I like them. Again a shame CGL can use these well needed images. Thank you again for funding these super cool images!
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well I have no idea how they'd use them other than asking Mat and I right? *shrug*
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well I have no idea how they'd use them other than asking Mat and I right? *shrug*
It's 'Out of house'. Not made in house so....
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The Kyushu can only deploy four 'Mechs per turn (minute) from it's own bays (it only has 2 doors for 108 mechs), so if it is doing a significant deployment by orbital insertion, it's gonna have to stay over the target deployment zone for a while.
And what about the small craft bay doors?
TT
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And what about the small craft bay doors?
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The small craft and fighters are in Bay 1 on the ship, which has 6 doors, both the fighters and small craft use share that launch capacity. The mechs are in bay 3 which has 2 doors. They can't use a different bay's doors. If you rearranged the ship to put the mechs into bay 1 and added their 2 doors, and added the extra doors the design could have before it hits it's maximum number of doors, you could deploy lots of mechs simultaneously. It would take redesigning the ship though... as far as I know, and baring house rules.
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The small craft and fighters are in Bay 1 on the ship, which has 6 doors, both the fighters and small craft use share that launch capacity. The mechs are in bay 3 which has 2 doors. They can't use a different bay's doors. If you rearranged the ship to put the mechs into bay 1 and added their 2 doors, and added the extra doors the design could have before it hits it's maximum number of doors, you could deploy lots of mechs simultaneously. It would take redesigning the ship though... as far as I know, and baring house rules.
Odds are actually pretty good that 'mechs can be move between bays with little real difficulty - the fluff for the Kyushu states that they can be deployed via small craft 2 per drop shuttle (regardless of what the construction rules allow). So while from a rules standpoint it may be illegal, from the fluff it is possible they have access to both sets of doors. The fluff also indicates that the BattleMech bays are located in the (not a) cargo section, which also suggests they have access to the cargo bay doors.
More-or-less the rules are there to simulate how certain units work in a general sense, not in a specific sense. Which is likely part of the reason we start seeing design quirks showing up on more and more units.
Regardless, the ships are beautiful, and I enjoy pretty much all of them.
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Odds are actually pretty good that 'mechs can be move between bays with little real difficulty - the fluff for the Kyushu states that they can be deployed via small craft 2 per drop shuttle (regardless of what the construction rules allow). So while from a rules standpoint it may be illegal, from the fluff it is possible they have access to both sets of doors. The fluff also indicates that the BattleMech bays are located in the (not a) cargo section, which also suggests they have access to the cargo bay doors.
More-or-less the rules are there to simulate how certain units work in a general sense, not in a specific sense. Which is likely part of the reason we start seeing design quirks showing up on more and more units.
Odds are also that they wouldn't be able to combat drop from those doors. Odds are good that the ship isn't filled with corridors large enough for a mech to stomp through and it would have to be moved around as cargo. Odds are the launching mechanisms for aerospace fighters and small craft might not be very compatible with drop cocoons.
The fluff says each of those cargo shuttles that can carry a mech can do so 2 at a time. To be combat ready they need to be in bays. Two mech bays weigh 300 tons, a good 100 tons past the max weight of a small craft. This, to me, indicates they were moved aboard those shuttles as cargo. The fluff also specifically calls the mechs 'mech cargo' which means no matter where on the ship they are, it's part of the cargo section. The only part of the ship they could do an orbital insertion from is the mech bays. I have no doubt they could walk from the cargo bays out onto the hull. I think the shuttle/fighter bays might be too short for the average mech to walk through, but you might manage it anyway. Drop cocoons are only coming from the mech bays though.
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That would be interesting. We never gots stats for those Mech shuttles. I'd imagine those things would have a mech bay for rapid deployment purposes. U could augment a mech having the shuddles deployed and dropping additional Mechs. They could be the smallest mech carriers inthe InnerSphere.
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That would be interesting. We never gots stats for those Mech shuttles. I'd imagine those things would have a mech bay for rapid deployment purposes. U could augment a mech having the shuddles deployed and dropping additional Mechs. They could be the smallest mech carriers inthe InnerSphere.
200T with a 100T cargo bay?
It'd be ridiculously specialised. Inefficient out of a few select mission profiles. It basically means you need a crew of 4 + gunners to get a mech with a single pilot onto the planet. The overhead is way more than the payload.
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Love all the work cant wait till more come out.
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200T with a 100T cargo bay?
It'd be ridiculously specialised. Inefficient out of a few select mission profiles. It basically means you need a crew of 4 + gunners to get a mech with a single pilot onto the planet. The overhead is way more than the payload.
No guns, pure cargo spheroid. Example:
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=30150.msg699016#msg699016
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No guns, pure cargo spheroid. Example:
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=30150.msg699016#msg699016
If it's intended for specialised orbital deployment, I wonder if you can cut down on crew quarters and endurance to squeeze out more acceleration.
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Do they need the full 100 tons? Things get a lot easier if the shuttles are designed to carry mediums or even heavies, with assaults going by DropShip.
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If you go with less than 100 tons of cargo, an ASF will work just fine...
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Do they need the full 100 tons? Things get a lot easier if the shuttles are designed to carry mediums or even heavies, with assaults going by DropShip.
If we are still talking about the shuttles the Kyushu uses to ferry 'Mechs, the fluff says they carry two 'Mechs, so 100 tons would be two 50-ton mediums.
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The Kyushu probably only has 2 doors for its 'Mech bays because the rules when it was first published, Battlespace, limited a ship to a max of eight launch-capable bay doors. Tonnage or type of bay was irrelevant.
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Maybe decades from now when they get around to redoing all those ships, they will put more doors on it. There is a few that could use more doors (and under current rules could have more)
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My take on it was the 3-Mech Small Craft pre-dated the limits on the design, thus why it was set up certain way. I don't know the rules at time of Frigate (BattleSpace). I have look at older rule set figure out what or if there was limit or exception.
I think it was just a fluff thing, with additional dropships from JumpShips that came in with the WarShip.
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Ladies and gentlemen I need your assistance. I'm trying to think of a suitable name for a (non-canon) LARGE orbital facility that would have existed in the Star League. How large? Well...
(http://i.imgur.com/YD1OXNJ.jpg)
As a banana for scale the Avalon in the open drydock is 810 meters long (and that's gonna turn into some SLDF era vessel for the finished piece). So this facility is HUGE. Its a naval yard/command center and is also heavily armed and protected. Such massive facilities would be rare though, only over the most vital of worlds (New Earth, Terra etc).
But I can't think of a name for the damn thing. The first thing that sprang to mind was Fort Victoria but its kinda mehhh... so what would you folks think would be a suitable name?
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Per the Star League source book, the SLDF had around 500 bases this size (page 132 refers). That said, how about Peterson Station?
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Oh I didn't think something this big was that common but then again the Hegemony was a post scarcity society and such mammoth facilities would be well within their capacity to build. I assumed they would be rarer, guess I guessed wrong!
And Peterson's good, but not exactly martial sounding.
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Well if this is going to be fairly rare, I'll suggest Port Gorias. Using the same naming convention it allows for 3 more, Finias, Falias, and Murias.
The name is related to the Tuatha De Danann, in case you are curious.
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Uh, to the SLDF, it was plenty martial... Admiral David Peterson was the only Admiral to command the entire SLDF...
And here's the paragraph out of the SL SB (back before WarShips became camel cased):
"NAVAL BASES
The Star League Navy had more than 15,000 warships, JumpShips, and DropShips. To build and service them required more than 500 orbiting naval bases, each a huge collection of shipyards, moorings, and housing for sailors. An AeroSpace Wing and two destroyers were assigned to defend each naval base. When the tensions reached a high level during the final decades of the Star League, a cruiser was added to ships protecting each base."
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What about the Star Castle class Space Station?
The Star referring to the SL and space, and the Castle part referring to Castle Brians.
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Uh, to the SLDF, it was plenty martial... Admiral David Peterson was the only Admiral to command the entire SLDF...
And here's the paragraph out of the SL SB (back before WarShips became camel cased):
"NAVAL BASES
The Star League Navy had more than 15,000 warships, JumpShips, and DropShips. To build and service them required more than 500 orbiting naval bases, each a huge collection of shipyards, moorings, and housing for sailors. An AeroSpace Wing and two destroyers were assigned to defend each naval base. When the tensions reached a high level during the final decades of the Star League, a cruiser was added to ships protecting each base."
Oooh! Okay yeah that makes sense as a name, didn't know who he was. And that sounds about right for this base here. She's got a drydock, several slips and an immense grav-deck (and other rotating sections) for personnel. She doubles as a repair yard and a command center.
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How about these ideas?
- Gibraltar Base
- Scapa (Flow) Station
- Pearl (Harbor) Station
- Singapore Base
- Sevastapol Base
- Murmansk Station
- Vladivostok Base
- Kure Station
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I second Peterson Class Station.
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Well we certainly need image of Camelot Command (it was a canon location found by the Snord's Irregulars)
Here some other names.
- Garden Reach
- Darkend Dockyard
- Fort Drum Deep Space Station
- Star League Iron Works
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Call the Space Stations the Citadel-class station. Or perhaps call them the Arsenal-class.
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I'm gonna go with the Peterson class and then they could be named after famous battles/ports
Point Kursk, Port Arthur, Midway Station etc. But the class is the Peterson Class Naval Station. So thanks for your input folks :)
Also wasn't Camelot Command built into an asteroid with a huge Cameron star, but it was mostly buried in the rock so more akin to this.
https://i.redd.it/s33fuhhu5wty.png
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I've made the Camelot Station!
Using a M-9 Pavise station on a mapsheet. Swapped out the weapons for cargo space and extra quarters.
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Its got a Avalon cruiser in one of the docks, I could see Camelot Station with the Fed Suns naming of things.
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Important question, does the station look alright?
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Looks good to me.
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I like it but I think BT stations would be more O'Neil styled tall and thin or long and thin with lots of gravity decks and the drydocks and stores on the side
This one feels a little more treky but there's nothing wrong with it just looks like they will be in zero g for a while
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I like it but I think BT stations would be more O'Neil styled tall and thin or long and thin with lots of gravity decks and the drydocks and stores on the side
This one feels a little more treky but there's nothing wrong with it just looks like they will be in zero g for a while
I thought this at first, but then looked a bit closer, the upper rounded section is roughly 1.5 km in diameter, using concentric rings you can end up getting a lot of potential living space. Each of the arms looks to be 300 m in diameter, fairly easily encompassing a significantly sized grav deck near major work stations.
To me, the only thing that particularly stands out is what looks to be they hydroponics arm, the one that is dome-shaped, it may be more efficient to build a semi-hollow series of grav decks holding much of the hydroponics and have a light refractory system to give them natural light for photosynthesis (though honestly natural light may not be needed in this era, artificial light may function just as well). Being based on grav decks also has the benefit of providing a more park-like setting in which to relax.
Overall though it looks good to me, I don't get a heavy Trek-like feel from the image though the whale-bone docks in the fore of the image are somewhat reminiscent. They seem perfectly functional as open-space bays, while the enclosed ones seem just fine (though I don't think enclosed bays would be a common feature on all stations - they simply aren't as necessary).
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I like it but I think BT stations would be more O'Neil styled tall and thin or long and thin with lots of gravity decks and the drydocks and stores on the side
This one feels a little more treky but there's nothing wrong with it just looks like they will be in zero g for a while
To me it looks like a group of stations linked together permanently to a main one. That's something I've done before anyway, so it doesn't really seem out of place to me.
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I'm not sure if thats a hydroponics dome or the ATACK Computer/sensors system. On the M9 Pavise you see it mounted I think at the top - http://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/3/3f/Pavise.jpg?timestamp=20130930023230 On this one if that is a CASPAR/SDS control sensor then that's what it could be. Or it could be a hydroponic dome.
The big cluster of domes at the bottom is the reactor and powerplant whilst on the arm near the drydock there are more rotating sections, those smoothed off 'silos' are actually rotating sections, more like workshops etc.
When I first saw this I thought it more reminded me of the space stations in elite dangerous
https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/elite-dangerous/images/0/0e/Military_Installation.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20170305101602
Whilst i could imagine a habitat could look like - http://i.imgur.com/nThgQYD.png
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It could be a group of stations i suppose not that there's rules for such things
But it it were me I'd take the central spire with the docking bay with the Avalon in it then I'd put the horizontal spire and put it vertical alongside essentially two huge turning skyscrapers
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It could be a group of stations i suppose not that there's rules for such things
It'd be no different than the Arcships I imagine, just with stations instead of warship/dropship.
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I would lengthen the grav section at the top of the picture to encompass the entire axis. I would have rings attached to the main cylinder with their own projections with zero-g workshops and docking slips.
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Guys this is the Star League, here. Clearly the picture isn't to scale! O:-)
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Docking crew standby your stations!
(http://i.imgur.com/lDcQw18.jpg)
A Peterson Class Naval Station drawn by the AMAZING http://mattplog.deviantart.com/
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Looks great
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Nice!
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WOW!
I want stats of that!
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Amazing art....wow.
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WOW!
I want stats of that!
Well if you or anyone else wants to take a shot at this behemoth's stats, please feel free!
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That would be monster thing. The M-9 "Pavise" SDS Battle Station would be closest thing i know of with complete stats that could be compared to it.
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Well this thing would probably start with the Pavise's armament but there's a lot of tonnage going to be devoted to the dry dock, the docks, 54 dropship collars (up the top), fighters, cargo etc etc. Its probably at least another million tons on the Pavise.
There would also probably be a HPG, a NCSS and ATAC computer onboard as well, as these are both command posts and repair facilities as well as being an orbital fortress.
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Not to get too picky, the picture looks more it has two medium Pressurized DryDocks, 1 small unpressurized dry dock, as well perhaps enough Dropship collars to meet 40 ships.
Picture does not always meet stats though. :)
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On what parts and what are the docks in ya mind :) This never had stats I just wanted a big ass space station :p
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54 dropship collars (up the top),
If I remember right, even space stations are limited to One Docking Collar per 50,000 tons. However things can dock with Bay doors too, and presumably this doesn't need to jump anything, so this either needs to be built as multiple stations locked together, or some of those docking hardpoints would need to just be bay doors in disguise, or the station would need to exceed the 2,500,000 ton maximum for them. Just by looking at it, I favor the multiple stations locked together into one megastation approach. If I were going to make stats for it, that is the way I would go for it.
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I like that idea of the smaller stations docked together to make one mega-station. You'd have the main central core with the reactors and the grav deck and then the 4 arms attached to it. That also makes sense from a construction PoV. In essence you get a rather flexible station. You could have one with four dry dock arms or one with massed hydroponics (in a system where its quicker to grow food than import) and so on.
But yeah if you made this thing as a single station, it would probably look at the 2.5 megaton rule and go "Aww...you think you're people..." and then run roughshod all over it.
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But yeah if you made this thing as a single station, it would probably look at the 2.5 megaton rule and go "Aww...you think you're people..." and then run roughshod all over it.
Hey, we got rules for that. ;)
Seriously though without diving into it. IS it possible to have stations interdocked? I don't think i've ever heard of that before. Logically it would sound possible, Battletech rules wise I am not so sure.
marauder648, if makes you feel better. There are mobile structures which are much larger, and then you got the pure fluff space stations that that go into the multiple million ton range which isn't cover by any rules.
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I'd do it as either 3 or 5 stations. For 3, it would each axis as one station, all locked tighter, with the vertical one (Y) being the main one, locked to the axis with the block that looks like a pressurized repair bay with the Cameron star on it (X). Where those two lock together, the third axis, the one going from bottom right and extending behind the station in the picture would actually dock by going through the part that the other two axis are locked together at. They would probably all dock during construction, before all the extra bits sticking out everywhere are built on, especially the last axis.
For the 5, it would be the main central one as the vertical axis, and then each of the for 'arms' would be another station docked in at the middle.
(http://i.imgur.com/fOFOG6T.jpg)
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For the locking mechanism that keeps the multiple stations together:
Firing the station keeping drives could be catastrophic if one of the few methods that are designed to have things docked together under thrust aren't used. The two I know about are towing gear, and reinforced un-pressurized repair bays. I would use the latter to form the mechanism that locks them together. For the three, i would put two on the Y axis, with the X and Z axis docked to it in them. For the 5, i would put four on the Y axis, one for each of the for arms. Then the main one would be the only one firing it's station keeping drive.
Those would be in addition to the other repair bays at the ends of the arms.
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Build the original and keep on adding on to it. That station kinda has that feel to it for me.
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Too bad stations could be built be modular like the Brian Castle rules. Separate components
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Too bad stations could be built be modular like the Brian Castle rules. Separate components
Why is that "too bad"?
Also, are you referring to the rules in IO about shipping stations in 100,000 ton slices because that is the limit for what they could jump at a time?
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Why is that "too bad"?
Also, are you referring to the rules in IO about shipping stations in 100,000 ton slices because that is the limit for what they could jump at a time?
I didn't think that counted as being a modular station. I thought that was work around to explain how they were sent over to other system with out any real space industry.
The stations are fixed at max tonnage as Warships. Brian Castles are built in sections with their own stats. Thus you have more features and functions you can add to them.
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Are you talking about just using castle brian rules to make the station? Or are you referring to some set of rules that is similar to castle brian rules that already exists?
If the first, it's completely viable, but you would need something on it to supply station keeping, since castle brian rules don't include anything for station keeping. You would also need something to hold it all together while the station keeping drive is running. Unless you built it in the space between systems.
For record keeping purposes, a station would be much easier to keep track of than a castle brian, since one you have to track hex by hex and the other you just have one statblock (or 3) for the whole mess.
If you are talking about the second, please point me towards those rules, because I am not aware of them (even if they are from someone's AU, I'd be interested in taking a look at them).
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I believe he was trying to say that it was too bad that space stations CANNOT be built in modular sections, much like the sub-buildings within a Castle Brian complex.
Wrangler: PLEASE start proofreading your posts. Far too many of them are simply unreadable, or wind up saying the opposite of what you seem to be trying to say.
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I believe he was trying to say that it was too bad that space stations CANNOT be built in modular sections, much like the sub-buildings within a Castle Brian complex.
Yes, that is what was trying to convey.
Wrangler: PLEASE start proofreading your posts. Far too many of them are simply unreadable, or wind up saying the opposite of what you seem to be trying to say.
I'm am truly sorry. I have from time to time I do have trouble relaying that i mean and not realize I was saying it wrong even when i do proof read. I will try harder to make sure my posts are less confusing if I can help it.
@Cryhavok101 - I am sorry for the misunderstanding.
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@Cryhavok101 - I am sorry for the misunderstanding.
No worries from me, god knows I've done the same thing before. I am glad Wierdo was here to translate though :D
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I have posted my submission for potential stats for this station here: http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=57780.0
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Plog posted some more BT warships on Deviant Art. I don't have the link handy. #P
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Plog posted some more BT warships on Deviant Art. I don't have the link handy. #P
Oooh...not done by me but great stuff none the less.
http://mattplog.deviantart.com/
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marauder, was this one of your funded creations?
(http://pre06.deviantart.net/d7d7/th/pre/i/2017/198/0/f/comm__small_cargo_craft_by_mattplog-dbgnvmx.jpg)
Small Craft landing ship! That's something i always thought the universe needed. ^-^
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I had it commissioned.
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=30150.0
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I had it commissioned.
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=30150.0
Sorry, i missed it. IT REALLY COOL, by the way. Thank you for having it made!
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Sorry, i missed it. IT REALLY COOL, by the way. Thank you for having it made!
Thanks, I am also considering several more SC designs and a SC carrier DS.
I will need to work them out, post them, and see what the feedback is before I commission them.
But I do say this, I was strongly inspired and motivated by this thread (Thanks marauder648!).
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My thanks to both Maingunnery and Marauder for commissioning such beautiful designs. O0
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That guy looks like he's holding on to the Mackie's harness so that it can't wander off too far...
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marauder, was this one of your funded creations?
(http://pre06.deviantart.net/d7d7/th/pre/i/2017/198/0/f/comm__small_cargo_craft_by_mattplog-dbgnvmx.jpg)
Small Craft landing ship! That's something i always thought the universe needed. ^-^
That's very cool
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That guy looks like he's holding on to the Mackie's harness so that it can't wander off too far...
Well it does say that you should get it use to the harness before letting it go frolicking in the fields with the other Mechs. Sometimes they are stubborn though and can be a bit eager, but they adapt eventually.
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Kurita's Kyushu-Class Frigate is in fluff equipped with small craft that airlift 3-mechs at a time back to the ship when dropships aren't available. Partial due to it's ability to drop a regiment of BattleMechs from orbit as party crashers on planet. }:)
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These are such nice updates and more realistic updates to the ships.
Is there any way to have all the photos in one page or one link??
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I thought Plog had a gallery of all of his ship commissions on Deviant Art...
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I though Plog had a gallery of all of his ship commissions on Deviant Art...
He does.
http://mattplog.deviantart.com/gallery/44167891/Techs-Mechs
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Thanks Marauder... my Google-fu was weak this morning.
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There are two more commissions over on Deviantart, a re-vamped Quixote and a missile warship.
Anywhere I can get some stats for these babies?
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Not a clue who they are for, but they are magnificent none the less :)
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I dunno if anyone remembers the Delranes Fighting Ships book I did;
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=55756.msg1281473#msg1281473
Well good news, we're currently working on a revised edition, and this will be done in the correct landscape layout as well as include the Inner Sphere vessels from TRO:3057 with the re-done art, as well as the non-canon vessels and station. Its being proof read and should be finished for December :)
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Keep up the good work. 8)
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Marauder, if you'd like to include the Mark VII Plog did for me, just let me know. Thanks again for connecting me with him!
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Neat!
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Marauder, if you'd like to include the Mark VII Plog did for me, just let me know. Thanks again for connecting me with him!
The same for my Trader Small Craft.
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marauder, was this one of your funded creations?
(http://pre06.deviantart.net/d7d7/th/pre/i/2017/198/0/f/comm__small_cargo_craft_by_mattplog-dbgnvmx.jpg)
Small Craft landing ship! That's something i always thought the universe needed. ^-^
can you fit a full mechbay on a smallcraft and still be able to fit everything else? or would they have to be loaded as Cargo?
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Pretty sure cargo is the only option, given that mech bays weigh 150 tons, and Small Craft max out at 200 tons.
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Pretty sure cargo is the only option, given that mech bays weigh 150 tons, and Small Craft max out at 200 tons.
There was fluff about the Kyushu using 12 modified cargo ships (Small Craft) which designed to ferry up the Mechs it dropped from orbit or deliver.
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Weapons fire detected.
Scanning.
Class Identified.
Vessel Identified.
IFF registers.....Friendly.
SOL-34 returning to patrol pattern. End of line.
(https://i.imgur.com/HLFyBxh.jpg)
Any ideas, thoughts or comments?
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There was fluff about the Kyushu using 12 modified cargo ships (Small Craft) which designed to ferry up the Mechs it dropped from orbit or deliver.
Never statted. I don't know what they'll look like if we ever get them, but I am certain they'll have to carry the mechs as bulk cargo, and I'd be surprised if they don't have a weight limit that doesn't allow the largest mechs.
Weapons fire detected.
Scanning.
Class Identified.
Vessel Identified.
IFF registers.....Friendly.
SOL-34 returning to patrol pattern. End of line.
(https://i.imgur.com/HLFyBxh.jpg)
Any ideas, thoughts or comments?
CASPAR? I think I prefer the original, but that is still a very pretty ship!
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Any ideas, thoughts or comments?
All those NACs sure look intimidating, but where are the ASFs doors?
Pretty sure cargo is the only option, given that mech bays weigh 150 tons, and Small Craft max out at 200 tons.
Yep, it needs to be transported as cargo. The procedure is as follows:
1. Mech walks into the cargo bay (from one of the two doors).
2. The crew strap it in using cargo straps.
3. The cargo restraint arms are manually placed against the 'Mech.
4. More straps.
5. Close doors and lift off.
This takes more time then most Mechwarriors are comfortable with.
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CASPAR? I think I prefer the original, but that is still a very pretty ship!
I think it is this ship:
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=58703.0
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I think it is this ship:
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=58703.0
Bingo! Let me introduce you to the Thresher class heavy cruiser of the Rim World Republic Navy. The somewhat shark like stylings are a very deliberate choice.
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All those NACs sure look intimidating, but where are the ASFs doors?
I can see three large bay doors underneath the larger dropship, meaning they could be sharing the same front door. Like how a two car garage sometimes shares a single door.
Neato!
TT
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Re the fighter bays
(https://i.imgur.com/D2meIoR.jpg)
I circled the area of the fighter bay doors which are towards the rear of the ship and these are three sub hangars where fighters and small craft would be stored. Its not an ideal layout but this is kind of deliberate, its a kind of a design error made by folks who had not designed their own ship before (see the trials and tribulations of the Davion class Destroyer) as well as them being constrained by what ever Amaris going "Make it look like a bloody shark or i'll feed you to them. AFTER you watch your families being turned into chum. Capiche?"
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Hm. Fighter bay doors that make an ASF or Small Craft have to maneuver through or around laterally oriented broadside guns are no answer, I'd think.
I figure you want to minimize the amount of risk a damaged or rapidly maneuvering craft has of striking the ship. That image makes it look pretty risky, even considering the scale. In game terms, I'd want to reduce every chance that a failed piloting roll will result in a collision.
The way to do that seems to be to point the bay outwards of the hull, or use wing pods like Battlestar Galactica. Or maybe an aircraft carrier style flat deck where you can do maneuvering parallel to the orientation of the ship but have minimal obstruction.
That's very good looking art, though. I think there has to be room for a ship's aesthetic.
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(https://i.imgur.com/EO8ErHy.jpg)
Thresher Class Heavy Cruiser
Length – 767 Meters
Displacement – 760,000 tons
Crew Complement – 343
Designed during the reign of Gregory Amaris, all-be-it in secret, the design was meant to equal any Hegemony cruiser in existence and during that period, it meant the Aegis class cruiser as well as the common and popular Dart class light cruiser. But to appear compliant with the Star League’s wishes and not wanting to provoke them during the aftermath of the Reunification War the cruiser was never laid down and instead the design languished until Stefan Amaris came to power.
Laid down in the yards that had once produced the Pinto class corvette the Thresher design was altered quite radically. In addition to Mech scale weapons being added for anti-fighter defences, the Cruisers armament was completely revised. Unlike the Republic during the period leading up to the Reunification War, the Rim Worlds Republic now lacked the capacity to build the large number of focusing arrays and lenses needed for the original planned armament of large numbers of naval lasers. Instead these were replaced with a greater number of hard hitting naval autocannons. Cheaper to produce and easier to maintain, the autocannons were a natural fit.
Long range firepower was provided by sixteen Killer Whale missiles, eight on each broadside and these missiles were often armed with nuclear warheads, making a barrage from a Thresher a threat to any vessel or station.
The Olympus MG-2000 engines were bulky but powerful units, and could propel the Thresher in short sprints of up to 2.5g making them faster than the Aegis the ship was meant to equal. Unfortunately, these engines were also exceptionally maintenance intensive and consumed fuel at a far higher rate than was expected. The fuel tanks for the Thresher were also poorly placed making refuelling them a slow and drawn out process.
Like the Aegis class the Thresher had four dropship collars and berths for eighteen fighters as well as half a dozen small craft.
The hangers were placed well towards the stern of the ship, adjoining the engine section but this also made the Threshers exceptionally difficult to land fighters on. Standard procedure was to bring the cruiser to a complete stop and let craft coming in to land come in backwards onto their waiting launch racks.
This was far from ideal and could not be done in combat and incidences of aerospace fighters crashing or suffering damage on landing were uncommonly high on the Thresher class. The Threshers usually carried a full group of Vulcan fighters and this had its own problems. The large amount of ammunition needed to ‘bomb up’ the Vulcan’s was stored in an armoured magazine near the hangar decks, which in turn was adjacent to one of the poorly placed fuel tanks for the thirsty engines and the area around the hangar magazines became a primary target and weak-point for the class.
Over a thousand tons of Ferro-Carbide armour gave the Threshers a sturdy hide equal to many SLDF Battlecruiser designs whilst heavy structural bracing made the hull capable of taking heavy damage, but also limited the grav-decks size and cargo capacity. But this was not seen as a negative. The Thresher was ostensibly designed to patrol and protect the Rim Worlds Republic and there was no need for a large cargo capacity for long range missions. With the growing friendship between Stefan Amaris and First Lord Richard Cameron expanded and the ‘country bumpkin’ from the Periphery got more power and influence within the Terran Hegemony, Amaris used this to allow for a sub-class of the Thresher to be constructed.
With access to the vast industrial strength of the Hegemony and Corporate and Political leaders despairing of the mismanagement by Lord Richard, Amaris called in favours with Krupp’s to allow the purchase, at cost, of enough lasers to arm six Thresher class ships under construction with enough lasers to complete the class as was originally designed. Labelled the Tiger Shark class Battlecruiser they were seen as command ships, and until the completion of the first Stefan Amaris class battleships, these ships were the pride and joy of the Rim Worlds Navy, acting as flagships despite the addition of several old Monsoon class ships from the Hegemony reserves, courtesy of the First Lord.
Twenty Threshers and four Tiger Sharks were complete by the start of the coup, the two part finished Tiger Shark’s formed part of the orbital defences around Apollo whilst the Threshers helped secure the Hegemony during the coup. The battles for the Sol System were hard on the class, and four Threshers and one Tiger Shark were destroyed in the space battles for the Hegemony.
One ship the RWS Perdition’s Flame was captured by the SLDF during the drive on Terra and the ship was repaired and took part in the final battles for the Hegemony, being lost to a nuclear missile strike in the battles over New Earth. The last ship of the class the Tiger Shark RWS Stefan’s Audacity was in orbit over Terra herself and was thought to be a possible evacuation craft for ‘Emperor’ Amaris, her engines crippled the ship fell into the atmosphere and partially burned up, the ruined hulk splashing down in the Indian Ocean.
Weapons
24 x Republic Type 42 ‘Thunder’ Medium Naval autocannons
12 x Republic Type 34 ‘Tremor’ Medium Naval Autocannons
16 x RAW-411 ‘Blue Streak’ Killer Whale heavy naval missile launch systems
8 x RAW-250 ‘Swingfire’ Barracuda interceptor naval missile launch systems
6 x Krupp’s Weapon Works Pattern 311 45cm Naval Lasers
32 x RAW ‘Starstreak’ Type 4a LRM-20 missile launch systems
16 x Stolz Harbinger 4a Particle Cannons
32 x Firefly Type 1a Small lasers
Sensors
Roe Systems MG-29-A Long range active and passive Radar/LIDAR array
Roe Systems HX671 Primary fire control systems with TW-100e ‘Bull Snort’ ECCM
Roe Systems Tangerine-004A Long and short range communications array
TW-801a ‘Bull Roar’ Active multi-frequency ECM.
Aerospace Complement.
18 x Fighters
6 x Small Craft
4 x DropShip docking collars.
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Great fluff 8)
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That's awesome cruiser!
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Thanks :) She came out how I envisaged her :)
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Unidentified units sighted
(https://i.imgur.com/l8JiP1i.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/a0p9pY5.jpg)
Mr Plog's not quite finished these, should be done soon!
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WOW, those look amazing. :thumbsup:
thanks for sharing these.
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Very nice! I can't wait to see them finished... :thumbsup:
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Wow!
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I'm glad ya folks like the look of them. The Roc is influenced by the UK's Victor bomber (the cranked wings and large cockpit area) whilst the Horus is based on the SU-47 although this one has an aerospike style engine instead of traditional engine exhausts as seen on ASF/jets.
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I like the fighters
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Going off your build sheet in the other thread, where's the Horus' aft firing medium laser?
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Good question, I would guess mounted on the belly, nowhere near the engine, maybe a drop down semi-gimballed mounting.
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(https://i.imgur.com/JQKfNBh.jpg)
Based in part on the Soviet/Russian SU-47 prototype but made more futuristic and spacey with its rocket spike engine and changed hull, Plog nailed it once again!
Stats here - https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=62097.msg1429342#msg1429342
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As much as I dislike the clans in general, THAT is a thing of beauty! :thumbsup:
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Really swanky Omnifighter. I like the reverse wing setup, reminds me of the Stingray.
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Wow, good call Wrangler it does resemble the Stingray.
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Wow, good call Wrangler it does resemble the Stingray.
Its based on this
(https://i.stack.imgur.com/Zhy9j.jpg)
the SU-47
the Stingray is one of these
(https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/grumman-x29-demonstrator_5.jpg)
The X-29 but with a fusion torch and energy weapons :) I'm really glad you folks like her :)
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Based in part on the RAF's Victor bomber from the 50's and 60's due to my like of its cranked wings and general layout
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_dYlE4ic-f4/hqdefault.jpg)
The Roc class assault DropShip developed by Clan Snow Raven and traded to the Invading Clans prior to Operation REVIVAL is a fast, well armed design.
(https://i.imgur.com/VsL3mh5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sKGvnLp.jpg)
Drawn by the amazing Matt Plog you can find her stats here
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=61213.msg1403734
As always, thoughts and comments are most welcome.
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Amazing is the right word! :thumbsup:
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Holy mackerel! That's one best images I've seen yet. Thank you for having it commissioned!
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I'm glad you folks approve :D I've got ideas for future ones too.
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Love your work!