Author Topic: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST (Read 329704 times)

Sartris · « **Reply #1290 on:** 28 January 2021, 12:36:59 »

those were not on my list, at least. but they are now - along with some units from the house handbooks that still are missing

thanks

Empyrus · « **Reply #1291 on:** 28 January 2021, 12:54:21 »

Cheers!
Of course, i found more... again unless these are on your list.

Operation Turning Points: Hanseatic Crusade 'Mechs, record sheets-only page 36 onward. And that book as a source.
Snow Fox Omni (Prime, A, B)
Cazador
Tolva
Rhino
Surtur SUR-T1

Empyrus · « **Reply #1292 on:** 29 January 2021, 07:52:44 »

Quote from: Sartris on 25 January 2021, 10:42:08

all image links on the website (except 3085 infantry, which is on my list) should link to the MUL IMGBB account. please report any images you find that link to amazon aws.

Rasalhague emblem is still amazon:
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/mul-images/Logos/Rasalhague_Dominion.png
EDIT Jade Falcon as well:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/cso-images/Faction/Clan-Jade-Falcon.gif

Sartris · « **Reply #1293 on:** 29 January 2021, 09:38:58 »

looks like the jade turkey icon didn't get uploaded with the rest. will have to remedy that later.

the thunderbolts are in. they're just going through the standard 48-72 waiting period to see if anyone catches any mistakes.

Empyrus · « **Reply #1294 on:** 30 January 2021, 15:39:03 »

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4123/elemental-ii-battle-armor-standard
The Elemental II has incorrect mass, it should be 1 ton. It got slimmed down from its prototype form, which does have correct mass in MUL.

GreekFire · « **Reply #1295 on:** 30 January 2021, 16:01:03 »

Quote from: Empyrus on 30 January 2021, 15:39:03

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4123/elemental-ii-battle-armor-standard
The Elemental II has incorrect mass, it should be 1 ton. It got slimmed down from its prototype form, which does have correct mass in MUL.

Thanks, fixed!

Hussar2 · « **Reply #1296 on:** 30 January 2021, 19:44:17 »

Bakeneko Doesn't have Dark Age era availability. Guess it should be DC and maybe Nova Cat as well.
Mongrel T2 I believe The Early Republic and Late Republic Availability should be changed from Hell Horses to Ghost Bear who produce the design (WiE should remain unchanged)

GreekFire · « **Reply #1297 on:** 31 January 2021, 12:35:14 »

Quote from: Hussar2 on 30 January 2021, 19:44:17

Bakeneko Doesn't have Dark Age era availability. Guess it should be DC and maybe Nova Cat as well.
Mongrel T2 I believe The Early Republic and Late Republic Availability should be changed from Hell Horses to Ghost Bear who produce the design (WiE should remain unchanged)

The Bakeneko, along with any other 'Mechs missing Late Republic/Dark Age availabilities, is on our immediate to-do list.
It should gain those availabilities soon™.

The Mongrel is definitely in error. Fixed.

Sartris · « **Reply #1298 on:** 31 January 2021, 14:30:26 »

Quote from: Hussar2 on 30 January 2021, 19:44:17

Bakeneko

*checks notes on Irece's condition after the second combine-dominion war*

uh oh

Empyrus · « **Reply #1299 on:** 01 February 2021, 15:16:16 »

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2333/orion-on1-k-kerensky
Kerensky's Orion, has introduction date 2753 and sports a Snub-nose PPC. Which was developed in 2779 by the Star League.
BattleTech Legends does mention Kerensky kept tinkering with his Orion and changed loadouts, so it seems likely the Snubby-armed version appeared circa 2779 (or later).
So, should Kerensky's Orion have its introduction date altered? Seems easier than issuing errata regarding the Snub-nose PPC's introduction date (though i think the Star League sourcebook had it "appear" around mid-2700s rather than its current introduction date).

Empyrus · « **Reply #1300 on:** 02 February 2021, 09:17:35 »

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7730/archer-arc-4m2

The Archer 4M2 is somehow available to IS Clan General during Late Republic period, rather than to Inner Sphere General.

Sartris · « **Reply #1301 on:** 02 February 2021, 09:36:07 »

i'm surprised that doesn't happen more since they're right next to each other on the assignment list

fixed

Empyrus · « **Reply #1302 on:** 02 February 2021, 09:46:06 »

It might be...
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/569/charger-cgr-sa5
IS Clan General Early Republic onward?

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1272/grasshopper-ghr-c
Early Republic Clan, then goes extinct.

Sartris · « **Reply #1303 on:** 02 February 2021, 10:09:54 »

what, you don't believe the clans got charger fever and seized all examples for themselves??

fixed

GreekFire · « **Reply #1304 on:** 02 February 2021, 11:37:08 »

Just went through the Clan General lists, and it looks like those were the extent of my fat fingering.
I apologize for trying to flood the Clan market with inferior IS designs, and beg for Surkairede.

Sartris · « **Reply #1305 on:** 02 February 2021, 13:54:30 »

Quote from: Empyrus on 01 February 2021, 15:16:16

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2333/orion-on1-k-kerensky
Kerensky's Orion, has introduction date 2753 and sports a Snub-nose PPC. Which was developed in 2779 by the Star League.
BattleTech Legends does mention Kerensky kept tinkering with his Orion and changed loadouts, so it seems likely the Snubby-armed version appeared circa 2779 (or later).
So, should Kerensky's Orion have its introduction date altered? Seems easier than issuing errata regarding the Snub-nose PPC's introduction date (though i think the Star League sourcebook had it "appear" around mid-2700s rather than its current introduction date).

Update: this is under investigation and has revealed some additional issues that need to be sorted out. It actually affects several units.

Empyrus · « **Reply #1306 on:** 02 February 2021, 14:03:52 »

Huh. Didn't expect that. Err, have fun?

Sartris · « **Reply #1307 on:** 02 February 2021, 14:13:17 »

something about the snubnose currently violating the understood physics of time

Empyrus · « **Reply #1308 on:** 02 February 2021, 14:17:00 »

Quote from: Sartris on 02 February 2021, 14:13:17

something about the snubnose currently violating the understood physics of time

Figures. Off-hand, the old Star League sourcebook had it appearing earlier than current data suggests, but i guess altering its introduction date would lead to a question why it wasn't recovered from Helm memory core...

Empyrus · « **Reply #1309 on:** 02 February 2021, 17:56:15 »

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3041/stalker-stk-5s
Are the Clan users deliberate? The Steel Vipers during the Clan Invasion, the Jade Falcons and Diamond Sharks during the Civil war and Jihad.
Is there some particular source for these if they're deliberate? They just seem so weird, can't think of many non-Star League, non-C Spheroid 'Mechs used by the Clans.

GreekFire · « **Reply #1310 on:** 02 February 2021, 18:50:55 »

Quote from: Empyrus on 02 February 2021, 17:56:15

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3041/stalker-stk-5s
Are the Clan users deliberate? The Steel Vipers during the Clan Invasion, the Jade Falcons and Diamond Sharks during the Civil war and Jihad.
Is there some particular source for these if they're deliberate? They just seem so weird, can't think of many non-Star League, non-C Spheroid 'Mechs used by the Clans.

They were the factions that over time controlled Twycross, and in extension, the STK-5S line there.

Scotty · « **Reply #1311 on:** 02 February 2021, 18:58:54 »

Give that one another six months until we find out whatever Stalker C 2 monstrosity comes out of that factory when the RecGuides are done.

Kerfuffin(925) · « **Reply #1312 on:** 02 February 2021, 22:38:51 »

Wulfen Bs card does not increase the speed for the installed supercharger. Should be 26”. Not sure how (if at all) it effects the PV.

Empyrus · « **Reply #1313 on:** 03 February 2021, 01:27:35 »

Quote from: GreekFire on 02 February 2021, 18:50:55

They were the factions that over time controlled Twycross, and in extension, the STK-5S line there.

Ah, i see. I suppose the factory got eventually converted to something else.
EDIT huh, didn't expect it to get destroyed afterwards...

GreekFire · « **Reply #1314 on:** 03 February 2021, 02:05:56 »

Quote from: Kerfuffin(925) on 02 February 2021, 22:38:51

Wulfen Bs card does not increase the speed for the installed supercharger. Should be 26”. Not sure how (if at all) it effects the PV.

Thanks, fixed. PV has accordingly been adjusted to 31.

Hussar2 · « **Reply #1315 on:** 03 February 2021, 18:03:32 »

Ilclan RG12:
Black Python 2 lacks post Jihad availability
Black Python 5 Clan Invasion Era is listed as Snow Raven design but in the text it's a Steel Viper refit
A question:
Are we certain the Shadow Hawk 5R should be available to Kurita? It's possible they buy it but it's a little odd I think

GreekFire · « **Reply #1316 on:** 03 February 2021, 20:09:47 »

The Black Python 2 lacking post-Jihad availabilities is intentional. It can be considered to be extinct in the IS, but we cannot claim it to be fully extinct unit we know more about the Homeworld Clans.

Fixed the Black Python 5, thanks.

The Shadow Hawk 5R was not intentional: I got my 4H and 5R variants reversed. Fixed.

Scotty · « **Reply #1317 on:** 04 February 2021, 18:30:40 »

Quote from: GreekFire on 03 February 2021, 20:09:47

The Shadow Hawk 5R was not intentional: I got my 4H and 5R variants reversed. Fixed.

The Shadow Hawk is explicitly pointed out the Rec Guide text that the 4H is a result of the joint Rim Commonality/Canopian venture, just a heads up.

GreekFire · « **Reply #1318 on:** 04 February 2021, 18:36:08 »

Quote from: Scotty on 04 February 2021, 18:30:40

The Shadow Hawk is explicitly pointed out the Rec Guide text that the 4H is a result of the joint Rim Commonality/Canopian venture, just a heads up.

Yep, fully aware! Still intentional. Thanks for the double-check, though.

Empyrus · « **Reply #1319 on:** 05 February 2021, 11:26:19 »

Oddity: The Avatar-Prime (and C and F picked randomly) are available to the Clan Nova Cat, but the Avatar-U is available to the Rasalhague Dominion but not the Nova Cat.
I would presume the latter should be for the Clan Nova Cat rather than Rasalhague. Would be kinda weird to field only one OmniMech configuration.

Also, should the Clans in general have C3-focused configurations available to them? The Avatar-C being available to the Clan Nova Cat made me wonder.

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/160/avatar-av1-o
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/171/avatar-av1-ou