I wanna see something specific, but lack software to gen it up...

[Cannonshop]

Okay, up on the 'general' board, they're talkin' about the Cavalry AH.  This got me thinkin' bone thinkin' about something I toyed with as an idea for a custom unit back when TW was brand-spank'n new.

Take the base chassis of the Cavalry AH, and slap MML's on it instead of two flavours of SRM.

that's it.  That's what I need, but can't put together.  How big can you make the launcher without compromising armor, ammo, or speed?  is there anything 'weird' you can do to it?

I want to see goofy customized Cavalry AH's, just a thought experiment, you might say.

On to another item...Scientist Caste, Nova CEWS, and Star League Era (TRO  2750) vehicles.  We don't have canon versions of vees with this scientist-caste system, but it strikes me that they might retrofit some Brian Cache equipment with it.  What do you say to, oh, an Alacorn variant, Rhino, etc. etc.?

just wanna see what you guys come up with.

[Retry]

I guess you could do something weird, but why mess with a perfectly good refit?

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Cavalry Attack Helicopter (MML)
Mass: 25 tons
Movement Type: VTOL
Power Plant: 110 ICE
Cruising Speed: 108 kph
Maximum Speed: 162 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     4 MML 3
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3070
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Cost: 839,361 C-bills
Type: Cavalry Attack Helicopter
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Tonnage: 25
Battle Value: 485
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 2.5
Engine 110 ICE 7
     Cruising MP: 10
     Flanking MP: 15
Heat Sinks: 0 0
Control Equipment: 1.5
Lift Equipment: 2.5
Power Amplifier: 0
Armor Factor: 56 3.5
Internal
Structure Armor
Value
Front 3 20
R/L Side 3/3 13/13
Rear 3 8
Rotor 3 2
Weapons
and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
4 MML 3s Front 8 6
MML 3 SRM Ammo (33) Body 1 1
MML 3 LRM Ammo (40) Body 1 1

[Taron Storm]

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Cavalry Attack Helicopter Spam
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level                       Era
Experimental            3067-3078
Advanced                3079
Standard                 3080+
Tech Rating: E/X-X-F-F 

Weight: 25 tons
BV: 494
Cost: 1,250,944 C-bills
Source: Clan Invasion 
Movement: 10/15 (VTOL)
Engine: 110 Fuel Cell 
Internal: 15
Armor: 56

                 Internal                Armor
Front                   3                   20
Right                   3                   13
Left                     3                   13
Rear                    3                     8
Rotor                   3                     2

Weapons           Loc               Heat
MML 3                FR                  2
MML 3                FR                  2
MML 3 (ST)         RS                 2
MML 3 (ST)         LS                  2
TAG                   FR                  0

Ammo                                              Loc              Shots
MML 3 LRM Ammo                             BD               40
MML 3 SRM Ammo                             BD                33
MML 3 LRM Semi-guided Ammo           BD               40
 
Equipment                                        Loc
Vehicular Sponson Turret                    RS
Vehicular Sponson Turret                    LS

 
Sorry about the spacing for the text.  This was just a quick reply, will think about other options after I get some sleep.  Swapped to a FC engine and used the extra tonnage for a TAG, extra ton of ammo, and some sponsons just for the hilarity.

[Hptm. Streiger]

 :o thinking about a single larger turret-mounted MML and realized that something is off about MMLs. Just playing the numbers the only reason to have any other MML but the 3 is Artemis (and even that can be ignored because of a couple of MML3s work as Artemis already)

Might need another topic - but the only viable Cavalry MML would mount as much MML 3s as possible.

A turret would allow the Cavalry to keep range and use the "secondary" crit-seeking ability of multiple missile clusters over one or two of larger launchers:

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Cavalry Attack Helicopter

Mass: 25 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: VTOL
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3054
Dry Cost: 1.018.111 C-Bills
Total Cost: 1.105.111 C-Bills
Battle Value: 559

Power Plant: Michaelson 110 Fuel Cell Engine
Cruise Speed: 108,0 km/h
Flanking Speed: 162,0 km/h
Armor: StarSlab/3 Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    4  MML-3s
Manufacturer: Michaelson Heavy Industries
    Primary Factory: Ruchbah
Communications System: Garret Supremesound
Targeting and Tracking System: Garret D2j

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      18 points                2,50
Engine:             Fuel-Cell Engine             110                       4,50
    Cruise MP:  10
    Flank MP:   15
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             1                         0,00
Control Equipment:                                                         1,50
Lift Equipment:                                                            2,50
Turret:                                                                    1,00
Armor:              Heavy Ferro-Fibrous          AV -  79                  4,00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     20       
                                          Left/Right   15/15       
                                              Turret     15       
                                                Rear     12       
                                               Rotor     2         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4 MML-3s                                     T         8         4         6,00
@MML-3 (SRM) (33)                            BD        -         0         1,00
@MML-3 (LRM) (80)                            BD        -         0         2,00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 6
10v        2       2       1       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: EE, TUR(2/2/1, SRM 2/1/1, LRM 2/1/1, IF 2/1/1), IF 1

without turret you could have 4 MML3s in the hull - as Retry suggested and are totally done with.


and about the society - what is true about the cluster table of 3 missiles is true as well for ATMs.

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Rhino Fire Support Tank (Society)

Mass: 80 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-F-A
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 18.358.500 C-Bills
Total Cost: 19.262.500 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2.577

Power Plant: Pitban 320 Fusion XL Engine
Cruise Speed: 43,2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64,8 km/h
Armor: Pantherskin VII Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  ER Medium Lasers
    12  iATM-3s
    2  Anti-Missile Systems
    1  ECM Suite
    1 Unknown CASE
    1  Nova CEWS
Manufacturer: Leopard Armor
    Primary Factory: Terra
Communications System: Trannel GL5
Targeting and Tracking System: Trannel OT73L

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      40 points                8,00
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             320                      17,50
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0,00
Control Equipment:                                                         4,00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0,00
Turret:                                                                    2,50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 264                 16,50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     65       
                                          Left/Right   52/52       
                                              Turret     53       
                                                Rear     42       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anti-Missile System                          LS        1         1         0,50
Anti-Missile System                          RS        1         1         0,50
12 iATM-3s                                   T         24        12       18,00
ECM Suite                                    T         0         1         1,00
2 ER Medium Lasers                           T         10        2         2,00
CASE                                         BD        -         0         0,00
Nova CEWS                                    BD        2         1         1,50
@iATM-3 (120)                                BD        -         0         6,00
@Anti-Missile System (48)                    BD        -         0         2,00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      9    Points: 26
4t        13       9       4       0      4     0   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: AMS, ECM, CASE, TUR(13/9/4)