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BattleTech Game Systems => General BattleTech Discussion => Topic started by: NeonKnight on 22 July 2018, 15:04:24
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I give you, the one table I wish we had for easy reference in BattleTech.
If you see anything I missed, please let me know.
**UPDATED TABLE March 22, 2024**
I have updated the SHOULDER CRITICAL HIT after getting clarification in the the rules forum on the wording in the rules:
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=84415.0
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As an Example, if anyone knows the location of the movement penalty for MISSING a Leg knows where it is, that would be a great help...not where one would thing it is...
For example, Page 13 of the BATTLEMECH MANUAL states a ONE-LEGGED MECh can only walk, but on page 48 for LEG BLOWN OFF makes no mention of the new movement penalty...
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Nice. I was trying to make one recently and got distracted. I was talking with FearFactory today and we both mentioned how frustrating it seemed that the tables in TW were laid out. You just can't find what you are looking for.
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Finally found the Rule for Missing Legs:
Page 12 of TW, and page 44 of BMM.
A mech with a missing leg has 1 MP, cannot run, but can still Jump.
I'll update the table in a moment
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Now that would be nice to have printed... :thumbsup:
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It's also probably worth noting the minimum movement rule in a footnote (BMM page 16, and one legged exceptions in several places; I suspect that three leg actuator crits wouldn't prevent an Atlas from using it, but that's not explicitly stated anywhere I've looked).
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Very useful, thanks for making this up NeonKnight.
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The most useful conversion of footnotes to a readable table I’ve seen yet :thumbsup:
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Very cool. A couple small amendments I'd make - use the little cross footnotes for gyro hits, and mention that a mech is destroyed outright on 3 engine crits. Otherwise, I like it.
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Very cool. A couple small amendments I'd make - use the little cross footnotes for gyro hits
What do you mean by that?
I'll not the 3rd engine hit destroyed.
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What do you mean by that?
For the gyro, instead of "+6 PSR on destroyed, Auto Fall", have it be "+6 PSR on second hit *", because you already have a footnote of "* The 'Mech automatically falls at the end oft he phase the critical hit occurs". Saves words, and uses the same notation as the rest of the table.
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For the gyro, instead of "+6 PSR on destroyed, Auto Fall", have it be "+6 PSR on second hit *", because you already have a footnote of "* The 'Mech automatically falls at the end oft he phase the critical hit occurs". Saves words, and uses the same notation as the rest of the table.
Ah, that's what I though, wanted to be sure.
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Great table, I will make good use of it. Thanks!
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What a brilliant idea. Kudos!
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This is fantastic. I'm just gonna swipe it and add page reference numbers to it. >:D
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This is fantastic. I'm just gonna swipe it and add page reference numbers to it. >:D
I could do that I suppose, but....bear in mind some of them rules are NOT where you expect to find them.
i.e. Rules for No-Hips and Kicks, not page 48 of BMM, but page 38 under KICK ATTACKS...while all other actuator kick effects on that page.
Rules for Missing Leg of 1 MP is page 44 of BMM (LEG DESTRUCTION), but not on page 48, LEG BLOWN OFF (LEG), even though all other movement modifiers are there.
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TABLE UPDATED
I have to say, I am GLAD folks love this table!
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Now that I have this table, what excuse is there to stop the game and open up a book to read a few paragraphs to my players? LMAO JK ;D
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I give you, the one table I wish we had for easy reference in BattleTech.
If you see anything I missed, please let me know.
**UPDATED TABLE July 24**
I have added page numbers for each entry, Hips being under LEG DESTRUCTION get's that noted as well.
Finally, I changed the TABLE COLOR to Purple as all other tables in the damage chapter of BMM are purple as well, I felt, why not
Is it ok if I share this table on my Facebook page for my local players to see?
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Sure...as long as credit goes where credit goes
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Sure...as long as credit goes where credit goes
Don't worry, my players make me reference all my decisions to the RAW or to demo agents/devs. This chart will get more respect at the table if I say where it came from.
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Oh Lawd, this is going on the wall. Cheers NK, I keep thinking I should do this every time I play, but never think of it when I have the chance to get it done :)
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Don't worry, my players make me reference all my decisions to the RAW or to demo agents/devs. This chart will get more respect at the table if I say where it came from.
Cool, my thoughts was more about credit to CGL, as I always take CYA (cover your buttocks!) approach to things, even when I make my own AS cards and sheets I put a Copyright Catalyst Game Labs on it.
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This is great! Good job!
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If only there was a way to simply add this information into the record sheet to make it even easier. I am surprised this hasn't been in any of the books in the past. Crits are the most annoying thing in the game to look up.
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You forgot that a foot critical requires a PSR on jumping.
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You necroed a nearly 6 year old thread for that?
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You necroed a nearly 6 year old thread for that?
Its OK, I'm glad errors were found. I've also Updated the Main Table above with that info.
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I missed it before... the second footnote is missing a "y" at the end of "apply".
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Thanx - fixed
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And thank you for fixing it! :)
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I noticed a Typo (still present since 2018! :grin: ), under head.
"1 Pilot Hit if Heat 15-25
2 Pilot Hits is heat 26+"
Should be: "2 Pilot Hits if Heat 26+" instead. :smilie_happy_thumbup:
Personally, I'm more used to seeing "Dmg" for Damage, rather than "Dam". As others have said, GREAT Consolidated table though! :smilie_happy_thumbup:
I DO wonder if any of the pages listed have been changed in any updates since you made the List? :huh: I doubt it, but still a possibility I guess. Maybe? :huh:
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I'll double check the page numbers and update later today - going to see DUNE 2 shortly with wifey.
*UPDATE*
Quicker than I thought - One Page Number had changed - fixed, and changed all Dam to Dmg
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Enjoy the movie! It was totally worth springing for IMAX... :)
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Thank you!
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Very useful table for effects of various critical hits. Thank you for making it.
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You necroed a nearly 6 year old thread for that?
Obviously it needed it.
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FWIW, I really like the table & had never seen it before, so, Good Necro on You! :wink:
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Mekton has a table in which you can randomly roll what happens to the pilot when their mech is destroyed (like, gives a speech before blowing up). I want to create a table when a mech gets a head hit, all internal-dots gone or a critical to the pilot.
1. Static. ("Unit #, are you there?")
2. "Mommy".
3. "You couldn't get the broad-side of a dropshi. . ."
4. Sound of a melon-exploding or a microwave-ding if hit by a PPC.
5. Screams for one turn over the radio.
6. *Gives speech*
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I've been trying to figure out where I found this table! I'm so glad somebody necro'd this thread! I use it every game & it's a great resource! Thank you NeonKnight for creating it.
I note a few potential points of change:
The ‡ note says "Movement modifiers based on order critical hits occur" but on TW p.126 Hip (Leg) paragraph 2 says "The ’Mech’s Walking MP is cut in half (round up; apply before any leg or foot actuator damage MP reductions)." Also, 4th paragraph says "A critical hit to the second hip reduces the ’Mech’s MP to 0 [...] (the ’Mech is not considered immobile, however)"
Shoulder could note (TW p.128, Shoulder (Arm), 1st paragraph, last sentence) "After a shoulder critical hit, ignore all other weapons fire modifiers from critical hits to that arm."
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That's the spirit! Welcome to the board! :)
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I've been trying to figure out where I found this table! I'm so glad somebody necro'd this thread! I use it every game & it's a great resource! Thank you NeonKnight for creating it.
I note a few potential points of change:
The ‡ note says "Movement modifiers based on order critical hits occur" but on TW p.126 Hip (Leg) paragraph 2 says "The ’Mech’s Walking MP is cut in half (round up; apply before any leg or foot actuator damage MP reductions)." Also, 4th paragraph says "A critical hit to the second hip reduces the ’Mech’s MP to 0 [...] (the ’Mech is not considered immobile, however)"
Shoulder could note (TW p.128, Shoulder (Arm), 1st paragraph, last sentence) "After a shoulder critical hit, ignore all other weapons fire modifiers from critical hits to that arm."
Thanx - I'll check on these shortly. I try to check the rules between both TW and BMM, as the rules should be the same between the two.
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Ok, updated table to reflect them rules - thanx again. I will note though, as per the newest printing of TOTAL WARFARE, the Rules for HIPS are now found on Page 127.
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That's the spirit! Welcome to the board! :)
Thank you! I've actually been here for a while (2013) I just lurk most of the time haha.
Thanx - I'll check on these shortly. I try to check the rules between both TW and BMM, as the rules should be the same between the two.
**EDIT**
Ok, updated table to reflect them rules - thanx again. I will note though, as per the newest printing of TOTAL WARFARE, the Rules for HIPS are now found on Page 127.
Thank you for making the change and catching my gaffe!
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We still hope to see more of you around! :)
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After looking at the wording of SHOULDER CRITICALS it was a little vague and could be viewed to work similar to HIP criticals. I now have an official answer, so table has been updated appropriately.
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A table involving moral. Just something as a GM, I can roll to determine if a unit stays and fights to the death or not.
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A table involving moral. Just something as a GM, I can roll to determine if a unit stays and fights to the death or not.
Sadly, that is more of an optional type rule. This table (and thread) is tracking only with regards to Critical Hit effects, and even then, is not something you roll on, just a reference table (Like the Movement Modifiers, Terrain Modifiers or Attack Modifiers)
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Sadly, that is more of an optional type rule. This table (and thread) is tracking only with regards to Critical Hit effects, and even then, is not something you roll on, just a reference table (Like the Movement Modifiers, Terrain Modifiers or Attack Modifiers)
on the role the only time i recall moral being mention was for infantry. but i can see for example a green mech warrior would flee with amor breach. Regular with a limb or completely amor in a area or lose of a weapon. Vet when receiving critical hit on engine, gyro so on. while fanatical never leave till the battle is finish
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on the role the only time i recall moral being mention was for infantry. but i can see for example a green mech warrior would flee with amor breach. Regular with a limb or completely amor in a area or lose of a weapon. Vet when receiving critical hit on engine, gyro so on. while fanatical never leave till the battle is finish
Even Green-units will fight to the death and elites will bug-out if they think the odds aren't in their favor. The old adage that a man is never too wounded to fight, also applies to not wounded at all, to run. But, I'd just like a chart is a method so, as GM, I can make a decision that just involves the rolling of dice, not me deciding if the NPC(s) wants to run or continue.
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Please take the talk of Morale elsewhere.
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Any chance we could get the MegaMek team to implement this on the "on record sheet" tables. There is all that tracking stuff at the bottom that could be replaced by this.
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Does anyone have a good handout or explanation for how elevation/LOS works. Was a minor dispute a couple weeks back and I finally remembered to ask here.
and adding my thing to pay back the help neon's table was.
EDIT - attachment moved 2 posts down
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Does anyone have a good handout or explanation for how elevation/LOS works. Was a minor dispute a couple weeks back and I finally remembered to ask here.
and adding my thing to pay back the help neon's table was.
its actually +2 per heavy woods :wink:
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well darn. im not sure if I have the ODT file
edit - ok, I do.