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Title: The Yen Lo Wang thread - From Creation to Dark Ages
Post by: OverKill on 07 March 2011, 23:20:16
Hey More Knowledgeable folks,

What exactly is the RAC variant? Is this the upgraded AC20 version or something? Sorry for my ignorance LOL
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Stormlion1 on 07 March 2011, 23:39:32
I think it carrys a RAC-5 in place of the standard Autocannon.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Psycho on 07 March 2011, 23:44:40
This is another case where it's time to get the standard rule books (ie Total Warfare and Techmanual) and maybe RS:3050U.  :)

The Centurion's RAC variant, more properly known as the CN9-D5, is a FedCom Civil War-era upgrade of the Centurion that uses a RAC-5 as its primary weapon.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Stormlion1 on 07 March 2011, 23:46:30
RAC is a nice weapon, but I would rather have the AC-10 any day of the week. No jamming.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: btp2k2 on 07 March 2011, 23:58:58
The RAC 5 has the potential to dole out some serious damage. Nice weapon, but as Stormlion1 said...can jam. The nice thing about the rotary autocannon is if it does jam, it can be unjammed unlike the Ultra.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 08 March 2011, 00:14:04
It's a 6/9 mech with a RAC 5, 2 ER Medium Lasers, a Targetting Computer, a Guardian ECM, and a C3 Slave.  It's actually a pretty scary 50 tonner.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Stormlion1 on 08 March 2011, 01:01:32
OK, rip out the C3 slave and I'd use it.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: btp2k2 on 08 March 2011, 01:10:47
we have a guy in our group that uses a RAC Centurion with great effectiveness.

He really knows how to make that mech work for him and usually walks away from the table with a few kills each game.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: OverKill on 08 March 2011, 01:39:58
I wasn't sure if it was a Yen Lo Wang type variant or not...

As for all those rulebooks? Why the heck would I do that when I can post whore here and increase the count :P  [rockon]

Thanks for the answer guys. I actually like the RAC paint scheme that I saw and may pick up one. I have a normal Centurion but I've got a lot on the plate already LOL
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Youngblood on 08 March 2011, 09:56:50
You buy the books and TROs because it gives money to the people who work on BattleTech now.  This in turn makes them happier, which then makes them more willing to organize BattleTech events, which in turn makes more -new- people willing to play actual tabletop games of BattleTech with your sorry grognard butt (no actual offense intended  ;))

And by the way, something Ogre4Hire didn't tell you...that RAC Centurion also has MASC.  Now fork over your cash. :P
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Psycho on 08 March 2011, 10:15:41
Yep; money to CGL = more BT to love.

The amount of free stuff is pretty cool, don't get me wrong. The box set + free stuff gives new players a lot to do with very little cash outlay, making it easy to pick up the game and get rolling with it. Eventually though, if people don't buy stuff, CGL can't make more because they won't have the money to put into new products.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: skumm on 08 March 2011, 11:22:29
Now if only Psycho would commission my entire force for free.... thats only 1600 mechs. :D

All kidding aside, if you don't support the folks who put the material out, you can soon expect to have no new material. :)
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Stormlion1 on 08 March 2011, 15:54:17
Down the road I may pick up the RAC version of the Centurion, One more Centurion never hurts.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: JadeHellbringer on 08 March 2011, 16:56:37
It's a pretty good mini overall- I did one about two years ago. As long as you don't mind the gun being a bit comically oversized compared to the Mech hauling it around (and it's hardly the only Mech that can claim that!), not a bad mini to work on at all. I'll not compare it to the standard Centurion sculpt though, since I don't actually have one of those around (surprisingly enough).
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: OverKill on 08 March 2011, 17:13:56
I've been thinking of trying to MAKE a Yen Lo Wang from IWM parts but that's a project for another time. I've still got a few mechs to finish in addition to bashing a marauder for my own games. Still if the RAC variant was close enough with the oversized gun then I wouldn't need to :)
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: JPArbiter on 08 March 2011, 17:25:34
it is generally accepted that to make Yen Low Wang you need only cover the LRM tubes with green stuff or file em down, and attatch additional lasers on the opposite arm
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: OverKill on 08 March 2011, 17:36:27
it is generally accepted that to make Yen Low Wang you need only cover the LRM tubes with green stuff or file em down, and attatch additional lasers on the opposite arm

Really? I would have thought adding green stuff to the RAV barrel to bash it into an AC20, then filling the missile tubes would have been the way to go. The RAC is bigger as would the AC 20 be bigger than the 10 yes?
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Col.Hengist on 08 March 2011, 17:49:12
Really? I would have thought adding green stuff to the RAV barrel to bash it into an AC20, then filling the missile tubes would have been the way to go. The RAC is bigger as would the AC 20 be bigger than the 10 yes?
Get the regular centurion, not the R.A.C. version. The A.C.'s are A.C.'s and if you use the regular centurion you don't have to totally cover the gun barrel in greenstuff.  Only other thing I suggest is a claw for the left hand.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Stormlion1 on 09 March 2011, 01:52:42
Always thought about doing the Dark Age Yen Low Wang at some point, theres something about the huge shield and the axe on a Centurion that makes me giggle.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: OverKill on 09 March 2011, 02:47:27
I have never seen the Dark Age stuff. It's not really an era that I like to associate with battletech but maybe I will just get a regular centurion and Yen Lo Wang it with the recommendations. I always thought that an AC10 and an AC20 were vastly different in size and that the RAC variant (with a little greenstuff) would be much more standout-ish as a custom mech.

Call me crazy!
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Youngblood on 09 March 2011, 02:56:33
I believe the point that we're trying to make is that the RAC Centurion's right-arm weapon is an exposed array of multiple barrels, and not a huge trashbucket like something you'd see on a Thunder or Koschei.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: OverKill on 09 March 2011, 03:02:55
I believe the point that we're trying to make is that the RAC Centurion's right-arm weapon is an exposed array of multiple barrels, and not a huge trashbucket like something you'd see on a Thunder or Koschei.

Yes, and I understand and respect that HOWEVER what I am saying is that lining up two centurions beside each other where is the difference in the AC 10 versus the AC 20? There is none. "An AC is an AC" ok, if you want to do that but why not go that extra step, cover over the barrels and use some green stuff to turn it into a large trash bucket which would truly give you a menacing AC in size. You can keep the bores showing at the tip just cover the diameter.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 09 March 2011, 03:33:27
Besides, bore size has 1) never actually mattered as far as what type of AC it was and 2) never actually been depicted to scale anyway.  Just look at the trash-can launchers on the Emperor.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Youngblood on 09 March 2011, 04:19:11
Ahhh, I overlooked how different artists and sculptors imagined their weapons.  Point taken and agreed upon.  Carry on! :-X
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: cavingjan on 09 March 2011, 09:05:29
Besides, bore size has 1) never actually mattered as far as what type of AC it was and 2) never actually been depicted to scale anyway.  Just look at the trash-can launchers on the Emperor.

Not to mention that we know from the early novels that the AC5 on the Wolverine, Shadow Hawk, and Marauder were all different bore diameters.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Col.Hengist on 09 March 2011, 10:18:30
We also know that different manufaturers make the same weapon in different bores but all do the same damage.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: JPArbiter on 09 March 2011, 13:35:07
in my defense I was refering to Yen Low Wang Under Kai Allard Liao, not Justin Xiang Allard.  so the AC 10 as a gauss Rifle would be perfect in that case.  as far as converting the Centurions AC 10 into a 20, slowly bore open the AC 10 into a wider barrel.

a Dark Age Yen Low Wang would be sweet.  Hatchet and Shield, a Heavy Large laser in place of the medium and an LRM 20!  the tricky part is the jump jets but that is what the P Hawk's boosters are for!

Yes, and I understand and respect that HOWEVER what I am saying is that lining up two centurions beside each other where is the difference in the AC 10 versus the AC 20? There is none. "An AC is an AC" ok, if you want to do that but why not go that extra step, cover over the barrels and use some green stuff to turn it into a large trash bucket which would truly give you a menacing AC in size. You can keep the bores showing at the tip just cover the diameter.

in the case of Justin Allard it might actually be easier to shred the centurions shoulder joint and transplant the gun arm of a Victor onto it instead, since Yen Lo Wang used the same Autocannon as the Victor
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: OverKill on 09 March 2011, 14:11:44
in the case of Justin Allard it might actually be easier to shred the centurions shoulder joint and transplant the gun arm of a Victor onto it instead, since Yen Lo Wang used the same Autocannon as the Victor

That might be something to look in to or like the man said bore the hole bigger. We will see.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Stormlion1 on 09 March 2011, 22:49:25
a Dark Age Yen Low Wang would be sweet.  Hatchet and Shield, a Heavy Large laser in place of the medium and an LRM 20!  the tricky part is the jump jets but that is what the P Hawk's boosters are for!

Now how would a Inner Sphere mech thats from the Confederation of all places get its hands on a Heavy Large Laser? And how would it fit it alongside a LRM-20 as well as the ammo? To SKW's!
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Col.Hengist on 09 March 2011, 23:05:13
I want to know how the RoTS got It's hands on a crimson hawk during the dark age. I usually chalk it up to the sharks/foxes.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Stormlion1 on 09 March 2011, 23:10:37
I'm pretty certain the Diamond Sharks made the Crimson Hawk as well.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Col.Hengist on 10 March 2011, 00:02:14
Yea,its all in the fluff,with the titanic being shot down and all. Its just a long way for it to travel.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Stormlion1 on 10 March 2011, 01:25:45
No I'm guessing the Diamond Sharks set up their own production line to produce the Crimson Hawk. Possibly on one of the worlds they hold in the periphery or the Inner Sphere.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: OverKill on 10 March 2011, 02:16:17
in the case of Justin Allard it might actually be easier to shred the centurions shoulder joint and transplant the gun arm of a Victor onto it instead, since Yen Lo Wang used the same Autocannon as the Victor

I've placed a Victor arm sprue in my cart at IWM. Probably what I will end up doing is taking the dremel to the Centurion arm and then doing the same to the Victor arm and taking off the AC20 and then attaching it to the Centurion. I may have to hollow out some of the back end of the AC20 so it fits over the arm a little (to keep the arm length the same and to allow it to bond firmly) but it shouldn't be too big a deal.  Not sure how the Victor arm itself would look on the Centurion since they are probably different scale sizes.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Fullback on 10 March 2011, 07:26:01
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Not sure how the Victor arm itself would look on the Centurion since they are probably different scale sizes.

You will be dissapointed.
Because of the different scale, the AC20 of the Victor is a little bit smaler than the AC of the Centurion.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: JPArbiter on 10 March 2011, 10:28:20
Now how would a Inner Sphere mech thats from the Confederation of all places get its hands on a Heavy Large Laser? And how would it fit it alongside a LRM-20 as well as the ammo? To SKW's!

First of Danai Liao Centrella worked the Cenotaph Stables, and the LRM 20 is of clan make as well.  that explains  the weaponry.  and in the dark age all can be explained by the simple three words "Clan Sea Fox" who have trade/warhouse worlds in every territory including the Republic and Confederation.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Stormlion1 on 10 March 2011, 10:37:53
Well that answers that, now to try to cram all that into a centurion using Solaris Skunk Works and see if it will all fit!
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: OverKill on 10 March 2011, 10:47:00
You will be dissapointed.
Because of the different scale, the AC20 of the Victor is a little bit smaler than the AC of the Centurion.

That's very disappointing :( I was hoping the Victor was on the scale of sale... The warhammer IIC or something. So I guess the only thing I can really do is bore it out like the guys were saying and use green stuff over the missile tubes then find some way to make a claw for the left hand.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: JPArbiter on 10 March 2011, 11:15:17
That's very disappointing :( I was hoping the Victor was on the scale of sale... The warhammer IIC or something. So I guess the only thing I can really do is bore it out like the guys were saying and use green stuff over the missile tubes then find some way to make a claw for the left hand.

it is, but it also illustrates a point that was made earlier.  Bore size does not indicate power of an autocannon.  per Era Report 3052, an AC 20 is defined as a cannon that propels 200 Kilograms of ordinance down range within 10 seconds.  this is why the Hetzer's 150mm gun and the Demolishers 185mm gun can be of different calibers.

it is completely feasable that the Pontiac 1000 A is of a similar caliber to the Luxor D but fires faster
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: OverKill on 10 March 2011, 13:30:58
Just sucks that you don't need a BFG to make Yen Lo Wang. Would be nice to easily differentiate from other centurions. Oh well, such is life.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Col.Hengist on 10 March 2011, 13:35:28
it is, but it also illustrates a point that was made earlier.  Bore size does not indicate power of an autocannon.  per Era Report 3052, an AC 20 is defined as a cannon that propels 200 Kilograms of ordinance down range within 10 seconds.  this is why the Hetzer's 150mm gun and the Demolishers 185mm gun can be of different calibers.

it is completely feasable that the Pontiac 1000 A is of a similar caliber to the Luxor D but fires faster

 Also,the current Victor sculpt is the 3050 variant with the gauss rifle, the older one had the 20.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Youngblood on 10 March 2011, 17:02:24
Just sucks that you don't need a BFG to make Yen Lo Wang. Would be nice to easily differentiate from other centurions. Oh well, such is life.
That's where an awesome paintjob comes in.

(http://www.wolfsdragoons.com/downloads/Media/pictures/yen-lo-wang.jpg)

(I have no idea who did this.  I take no credit for it.)
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: JPArbiter on 10 March 2011, 17:19:14
Well that answers that, now to try to cram all that into a centurion using Solaris Skunk Works and see if it will all fit!

did I mention it jumps as well?
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: OverKill on 10 March 2011, 17:21:59
That mini is really well done!! Just cutting the feet off their little base and bending the knees would have been a biatch but adding thE claw is well done.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Stormlion1 on 10 March 2011, 22:49:20
OK, the Dark Age Yen Lo Wang has got to be a heavily upgraded to Clan tech mech to have enough room for all the gear and only have a small shield to boot to get everything to fit. I remember reading the books and the character talking about scouring the Inner Sphere for parts but this is just ridiculous!
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: OverKill on 10 March 2011, 23:33:07
I just pin viced the bore a little bigger on my existing Centurion. Maybe I'll cover up the missile packs or I'll wait until my existing projects are done and do it right starting from scratch with a pain scheme like that!
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: JPArbiter on 11 March 2011, 01:25:02
OK, the Dark Age Yen Lo Wang has got to be a heavily upgraded to Clan tech mech to have enough room for all the gear and only have a small shield to boot to get everything to fit. I remember reading the books and the character talking about scouring the Inner Sphere for parts but this is just ridiculous!

its a pure solaris mech, it i supposed to be rediculous
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Youngblood on 11 March 2011, 03:59:40
OK, the Dark Age Yen Lo Wang has got to be a heavily upgraded to Clan tech mech to have enough room for all the gear and only have a small shield to boot to get everything to fit. I remember reading the books and the character talking about scouring the Inner Sphere for parts but this is just ridiculous!
Did you stop to consider a simple Clan LRM20 swap?  It makes everything fit.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Stormlion1 on 11 March 2011, 08:11:35
Tried to avoid to much Clantech, so I actually didn't look at a Clan LRM. Will now.
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 11 March 2011, 09:23:13
OK, the Dark Age Yen Lo Wang has got to be a heavily upgraded to Clan tech mech to have enough room for all the gear and only have a small shield to boot to get everything to fit. I remember reading the books and the character talking about scouring the Inner Sphere for parts but this is just ridiculous!

Yen Lo Wang was already almost all ClanTech...
Title: Re: Centurion RAC Variant??!?
Post by: JPArbiter on 11 March 2011, 10:18:46
Tried to avoid to much Clantech, so I actually didn't look at a Clan LRM. Will now.

Clan Engine, IS endo Steel (cause I can not wrap my head around swapping out a fram and it still being the same mech), Clan LRM 20 and a heavy large and you can squeeze in a medium shield and more armor then most centurions
Title: Re: The Yen Lo Wang thread - From Creation to Dark Ages
Post by: Xtrahmxwohld on 11 March 2011, 11:33:47
I've never really cared for this look

(http://www.warrenborn.com/UnitSection/VG/VG072.jpg)

Have thought about lopping off the shield and axe hands and turning it into a proper Centurion.
Title: Re: The Yen Lo Wang thread - From Creation to Dark Ages
Post by: Ezekiel Crow on 11 March 2011, 12:15:17
I've never really cared for this look

(http://www.warrenborn.com/UnitSection/VG/VG072.jpg)

Have thought about lopping off the shield and axe hands and turning it into a proper Centurion.
You know there are just regular Centurion models available for DA?
(http://www.warrenborn.com/UnitSection/FFE/F088.jpg)
Title: Re: The Yen Lo Wang thread - From Creation to Dark Ages
Post by: OverKill on 11 March 2011, 13:20:14
I gotta saw EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW on both counts...

I just don't understand what drugs were taken during the whole "Dark Ages" period.
Title: Re: The Yen Lo Wang thread - From Creation to Dark Ages
Post by: F T C on 11 March 2011, 15:48:54
I gotta saw EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW on both counts...

I just don't understand what drugs were taken during the whole "Dark Ages" period.

Hallucinogenics.  Made them think the XXXX they were making looked good.  Although if you chop up the mechs they make good pieces to use for a 40K ork army.  Used an ag mech and a construction mech to make my ork Big Mek.
Title: Re: The Yen Lo Wang thread - From Creation to Dark Ages
Post by: Stormlion1 on 11 March 2011, 15:55:25
I just want to know why they put garbage cans on the shoulders of all these mechs.  :D
Title: Re: The Yen Lo Wang thread - From Creation to Dark Ages
Post by: Stormlion1 on 11 March 2011, 16:10:31
Well, using Solaris Skunk Works it is doable to make Yen Lo Wang, but its not very heat efficiant, though I did use remaining tonnage to make it slightly better armored. I think I'll build one in a few weeks.
Title: Re: The Yen Lo Wang thread - From Creation to Dark Ages
Post by: JPArbiter on 11 March 2011, 16:16:40
I just want to know why they put garbage cans on the shoulders of all these mechs.  :D

the idea is that they are radiators (same with the bigt sunburst thing on the back of the jupiter)

though I think on the Legionairre they were changed to ammunition ejection ports
Title: Re: The Yen Lo Wang thread - From Creation to Dark Ages
Post by: OverKill on 11 March 2011, 16:19:24
Well, using Solaris Skunk Works it is doable to make Yen Lo Wang, but its not very heat efficiant, though I did use remaining tonnage to make it slightly better armored. I think I'll build one in a few weeks.

Are you talking about Justin / Kai's version of Yen Lo Wang or some other future DA variant? I would have thought it was quite heat efficient.
Title: Re: The Yen Lo Wang thread - From Creation to Dark Ages
Post by: JPArbiter on 11 March 2011, 16:22:52
he is talkinbg about YWL 3 which should be alot easier to kick on the TSM
Title: Re: The Yen Lo Wang thread - From Creation to Dark Ages
Post by: Xtrahmxwohld on 18 March 2011, 17:12:17
I just want to know why they put garbage cans on the shoulders of all these mechs.  :D

If you chop those off, cut off the missle port cover and remove the jump jets then the Centurion doesn't look too different from the current IWN mini.
Title: Re: The Yen Lo Wang thread - From Creation to Dark Ages
Post by: Stormlion1 on 18 March 2011, 19:27:45
I think I got one DA Centurion that I repainted and maybe a few more though the game never did anything for me. One of the things that put me off were the little things like the radiators/garbage cans all ove them.
Title: Re: The Yen Lo Wang thread - From Creation to Dark Ages
Post by: Stormlion1 on 21 March 2011, 12:37:26
Ordered the bits needed to make an attempt on the DA Yen Lo Wang, a Centurion and a Hatchetman arm, plus some clay for minor league modeling after the fact, using plasticard and if you can believe it it, stickers to do the shield now. Might as well get that out of the way.