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Title: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: DarkISI on 24 April 2013, 16:22:48
So, yeah. Continuing it ;)

Who else is hoping to get to see the cover for the next one before it's released?
Title: Re: TRO 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 24 April 2013, 16:32:54
Will there be a separate thread for ER:3145, or should it go in this one also?
Title: Re: TRO 3145 - The future is here
Post by: DarkISI on 24 April 2013, 16:44:50
Ah, forgot about that one when I opened the thread. Will add it to the topic :)

Done
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Rainbow 6 on 24 April 2013, 16:46:52
So, yeah. Continuing it ;)

Who else is hoping to get to see the cover for the next one before it's released?

I am, so I can use it as my desktop background.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 24 April 2013, 16:49:02
It would be interesting if the Liao(-Centrella) file had cover art showing both CCAF and MAF units, to highlight the ongoing alliance between the two realms (and the inclusion of Canopian units in with Capellan ones).
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SteveRestless on 24 April 2013, 17:06:13
Looking at the cover for ER:3145, I'm thinking thats CWX or CWF v.s. Jade Falcon depicted there.

I see An Atlas, Uziel, Dire Wolf, Savage Wolf, Warwolf, Hellbringer, Kit Fox, Looks like a blurry vulture and do we have any guesses what the downed mech in front of the Savage Wolf is? is that a Wulfen maybe?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 24 April 2013, 17:09:53
I'm fairly sure that the ER:3145 cover art is from Operation JOTUNHEIM (The LCAF return to Hesperus II in the midst of the Wolf-Falcon battle for the world).
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SteveRestless on 24 April 2013, 17:12:52
That would fit. the Atlas and Uziel do look bluer than the wolf mechs. and Wulfen/Warwolf would fit CWF better than CWX
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 24 April 2013, 17:16:09
Plus you can see the LC logo on the Atlas' right shoulder in this pic (http://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/Wallpapers/CAT35223_ER3145_Wallpaper_1920x1080.jpg). (I had been asking in the old thread what unit patch is in the left shoulder; it sort of looks like the one for the 3rd Lyran Guards, but seems to have only one sword instead of two.)

Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: JadeHellbringer on 24 April 2013, 17:52:55
Looking at the cover for ER:3145, I'm thinking thats CWX or CWF v.s. Jade Falcon depicted there.

I see An Atlas, Uziel, Dire Wolf, Savage Wolf, Warwolf, Hellbringer, Kit Fox, Looks like a blurry vulture and do we have any guesses what the downed mech in front of the Savage Wolf is? is that a Wulfen maybe?

Definitely a Wulfen- the right arm missile rack is a dead give-away.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Deadborder on 24 April 2013, 19:40:50
I'm figuring that TRO3145 Liao will have the Tiang-Zong in it, as it's the only MWDA Cappie unit we haven't yet seen (unless i'm forgetting something obvious, which with me is a possibility)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Sagittaire on 24 April 2013, 19:59:29
Per Randall on Twitter

"Art is just powering in for TRO: 3145 Kurita and TRO: 3145 Liao...some amazing work by Plog, Iglesias, Huda, and others. rnb"

Can't wait!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SteelRaven on 24 April 2013, 20:17:09
Per Randall on Twitter

"Art is just powering in for TRO: 3145 Kurita and TRO: 3145 Liao...some amazing work by Plog, Iglesias, Huda, and others. rnb"

Can't wait!
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQj6zC-2qLy8IQfN3rbbtxcwXmC2iOhlm1DkiPtsU4tzNMsc2eV)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 24 April 2013, 20:21:06
I hope the previews for the covers for both TROs comes up soon.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Top Sergeant on 24 April 2013, 20:33:46
Shouldn't this thread be in the Sourcebook forum?

Anyway, I just finished reading ER 3145, and I'll chime in with my thoughts after my first reading.

The fiction was nice, but the military command relationships yanked me right out of the story. They didn't make sense to me.

Kurita:
I was surprised to see Yori and Katana surviving concurrently, particularly with the heavy handedness of the overall universe arc these last ten years

Davion:
Caleb is dead. He has been that realm's only ruler with any serious faults since the major fiction storyline began with the Fourth Succession War (Katherine's common association is with the Lyrans, although she was indeed ruler of the Suns for a time). I think the authors have cheated themselves out of some great fiction, except that novels aren't published anymore, so I guess its a zero sum after all.

Liao:
Wow they won!  :o  And nobody died! :o

Marik:
I still can't tell what'sgoing on there  ;D

Steiner:
Trillian being portrayed as bad? Trillian? And they don't do it in a novel, just a few lines in an era report!  That's like having Huckleberry Finn or Treasure Island spoiled for you by cliff notes. Oh well.

The Old Republic Republic of the Sphere:
Yoda Devlin Stone is alive. The Republic is still hiding down its rabbit hole. And they are still maouthing pious plattitudes. *yawn*

Clans:
Malvina is nearly assassinated, and spends many weeks in a coma. Again, great novel material fast-tracked here.  :(  Alaric seems to still be on his long, steady plan to become Archon Khan, which is good story-wise. Clan Nova Cat has gone the way of the Blood Spirits, courtesy Toranaga and the DCMS. This would have been GREAT Gen Con-Origins gaming material. (Unless that's what happened last year when I was unable to attend Gen Con)

Mercenaries:
The Kell Hounds were wiped out, but then came back from the grave! And there was reference to Avanti's Angels, so at least I know that they managed to survive through the Dark Age. And Wolf's Dragoons are working for the Dragon again!

Bad Guys:
The Com Guard 1st Division lives!


Art was hit-or-miss. There was some which was really nice, but overall this may be the most lackluster collection of portrait art I've seen.  And on nother sad note (or nitpick ;) ) Battletech heraldry still makes 'cowards' out of many of its units. :(


Overall some really, really good info on House and Clan units. There have been a few House regiments whose colors, which haven't seen sunlight for centuries, have been reactivated and are serving line units once again! This certainly is a long awaited update, and effectively executed.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: jymset on 25 April 2013, 12:43:07
Mercenaries:
And there was reference to Avanti's Angels, so at least I know that they managed to survive through into the Dark Age. And Wolf's Dragoons are working for the Dragon again!

Fixed. Sorry... Have a look at 3145 Mercs' Jade Hawk entry.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Marwynn on 25 April 2013, 12:46:25
Yeah, that was a pleasant surprise. Seems like we have a really good mix of merc outfits in 3145.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Top Sergeant on 25 April 2013, 18:09:32
Fixed. Sorry... Have a look at 3145 Mercs' Jade Hawk entry.

Found no unit named Jade Hawk.

What I found (P. 79) was that the Angel's were defeated by Kirkpatrick's Invaders and they may, or may not, rebuild.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: DarkISI on 25 April 2013, 18:10:30
Found no unit named Jade Hawk.

What I found (P. 79) was that the Angel's were defeated by Kirkpatrick's Invaders and they may, or may not, rebuild.


TRO 3145 Mercenaries, not ER 3145 ;)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Top Sergeant on 25 April 2013, 18:12:39

TRO 3145 Mercenaries, not ER 3145 ;)

Ah. Well, my review was of ER 3145, so he should have specified. :)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 April 2013, 18:20:18
Yes, considering the arc . . . I wish we did have some novels.  Beckett had been feeling his way to fighting off Malvina's control and it would have been great fiction.  It would have been interesting to see what happened afterward too because his influence has been removed.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Deadborder on 25 April 2013, 19:22:52
The ER3145 RATs for the CC and MoC don't have many 'Mech or Vee surprises; all of the units listed there are from existing TROs. The BA table lists an Amazon battle armour, but that seems to be the only new unit there. So beyond the Amazon and the Tiang-Zong, TRO3145 CC is going to be a complete surprise.

MWDA gave us three new Combine 'Mechs, the Shiro, the Rokoburi and the Hitotsune Kozo, as well as the Oni battle armour. The ER3145 RATs list a new tank, the NK1C Narkumi, as well as two new Battle Armour suits, the Kishi and the Zou. This gives us a fiar bit to expect for TRO3145 DC

I have to wonder if the new 'Cat Mechs, the Avalanche and Wendigo (and possibly the made-over Shadow Cat) and the Cizin Hovercraft aren't going to be in TRO3145 DC as well.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 April 2013, 19:38:06
You are forgetting that the RATs show a majority representation of what is supposed to be available.  I fully expect to have some trooper CC heavy/medium mechs make an appearance along with some new tracked and hover armor.  Seeing the MAC's Po II refit be a production model would be nice.  Remember, Daoshen has taken over some old Liao production sites along with FedSuns border facilities which opens up new lines.  We could also have some being retooled to produce new variants.  Oh, and they took Victoria back, right?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Deadborder on 25 April 2013, 20:04:40
Yeah, the CC got Victoria back, with interest.

I'm not saying that the RATs are the be all and end-all either. All I'm saying is what I'm expecting to be in the TROs using them and known MWDA figs as a basis. Given that I've only got expectations of two units in TRO3145 CC, I'm expecting that there will be a lot of new stuff and a lot of surprises

But then, my predictions for TRO3145:Mercs were only about 30% right.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 April 2013, 20:10:46
It could also be something like we see a 'FedSuns' design that was taken over by the Cappies or modified by the Cappies due to different philosophies.  Something like the Cataphract/Caeser.

Heck, I want to see some hovertank armed with a Plasma Rifle as its main gun, something like the Regulator II.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Cubby on 25 April 2013, 21:10:02
ER:3145 was the first PDF/print combo I've purchased. Following the tweet the other day about a print copy hitting one of the dev's desks, what's the typical lag time to see the book arrive on my doorstep?

Going by announcements of previous products' street dates and backtracking to the announcement of their PDF availability, it looks like about two months. That'd put a hard copy of ER:3145 in my hands...in the first or second week of June?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: CitizenErased on 25 April 2013, 23:03:02
The ER3145 RATs for the CC and MoC don't have many 'Mech or Vee surprises; all of the units listed there are from existing TROs. The BA table lists an Amazon battle armour, but that seems to be the only new unit there. So beyond the Amazon and the Tiang-Zong, TRO3145 CC is going to be a complete surprise.

I'm wagering the Behemoth II tank will be in 3145CC, since it's produced by Aldis (which I think is still in Capellan hands in 3145). The ER:3145 RATs also give the CC the Kelswa Assault Tank (which I would think would be a Lyran design from the name, but I never played MWDA so I have no clue) and the generically-named Arrow IV Assault Vehicle, which isn't on anyone else's table. There's also the Shen Long battle armor, which also sounds like a totally new unit.

So that makes maybe five units we can expect to be in TRO:3145CC (Amazon BA, Shen Long BA, Tian-Zong, and the Arrow IV Assault and Behemoth II thanks). I, for one, am pretty damned excited - and I hope that if FM:3145 drops before the rest of the TROs, it gives us some fun hints towards other units in its (hopefully) expanded RATs!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 25 April 2013, 23:48:15
The Shen Long BA is in the Tech Readouts under the "Trinity" title, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: roosterboy on 25 April 2013, 23:50:01
The Shen Long BA is in the Tech Readouts under the "Trinity" title, if I remember correctly.

That's the Ying Long.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 26 April 2013, 00:34:44
That's the Ying Long.

I remembered...poorly.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 26 April 2013, 00:56:45
Lol . . . I did wonder when I saw it on the list if it was a refinement of the CC's Trinity version.  Just not sure where you would take it from where it is at right now.  Perhaps a heavy battle armor?  I do not think the Cappies have one.  Or for their missile/artillery doctrines, perhaps a assault guardian.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Aldous on 26 April 2013, 00:57:38
Let's all be grateful there aren't a deluge of phallic jokes at CC expense.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 26 April 2013, 00:59:47
If we didn't get that many with the Du Shi Wang, then it'll take a lot more than a Shen Long to do it now.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: YingJanshi on 26 April 2013, 01:05:00
Hopefully it will be a heavy suit. The CC is sorely lacking one at the moment. And maybe with magnetic clamps?

...

Would match up well with my Stalker...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 26 April 2013, 01:13:36
Can assault suits mount mag clamps?  If so it would give CapCon forces an advantage for moving their covering forces for assault mechs and armor, LRM Carriers and artillery pieces.  Oh, and be really unique.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Aldous on 26 April 2013, 02:56:12
CCAF needs a Recon BA and a Heavy BA. 
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: RyuWanderfalke on 26 April 2013, 05:39:59
The Shen Long BA is in the Tech Readouts under the "Trinity" title, if I remember correctly.

Dragonball coming to Battletech, yeah?  ^-^
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 26 April 2013, 09:30:04
...and if you can gather all the Nekohono'os in existence in one place, Yori Kurita will grant you a wish! :D

(Because nobody says no to that kind of firepower. }:))
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Pa Weasley on 26 April 2013, 09:50:59
Dragonball coming to Battletech, yeah?  ^-^
"WHAT?!?!?! My scanner is detecting a battle value of over 3,000!?!?!"

Anyway ... so what do you think the chances of that art preview Randall was hinting at occuring?  [drool]
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Marwynn on 26 April 2013, 10:32:32
Let's all be grateful there aren't a deluge of phallic jokes at CC expense.

What about Dragonball jokes?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Paul on 26 April 2013, 10:49:25
Hopefully it will be a heavy suit. The CC is sorely lacking one at the moment. And maybe with magnetic clamps?

I can confirm that the Shen Long is a complete bastard of a suit, that will cause great anquish and teeth-gnashing among enemies of the CC. One of the configs made me laugh, another one made me cry.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Atlas3060 on 26 April 2013, 10:56:51
Dragonball coming to Battletech, yeah?  ^-^
*Gasp*
"Sir....his Dragon Mech must be going Super Saiyan!"
"No warrior, that's an old 3025 design that had an ammo explosion."
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 26 April 2013, 10:58:24
I can confirm that the Shen Long is a complete bastard of a suit, that will cause great anquish and teeth-gnashing among enemies of the CC. One of the configs made me laugh, another one made me cry.

Consider my wallet thrown...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Paul on 26 April 2013, 10:59:29
Consider my wallet thrown...

Even before you have a chance to realize what happens when you combine the Shen Long with the Shun or Yun? You'll be happy then, I'm sure.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Marwynn on 26 April 2013, 11:01:13
*Gasp*
"Sir....his Dragon Mech must be going Super Saiyan!"
"No warrior, that's an old 3025 design that had an ammo explosion."

Heavy PPC with Capacitor = Lord's Light "Kamehameha" ?

Super Saiyan... I say laser-heatsinks and TSM. Let's make this happen, people!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Baldur Mekorig on 26 April 2013, 11:28:12
And IJJ and Partial Wing, right?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 26 April 2013, 12:42:03
*Gasp*
"Sir....his Dragon Mech must be going Super Saiyan!"
"No warrior, that's an old 3025 design that had an ammo explosion."
That fountain of fire for hair certainly would be what happens when you take an ammo crit to infernos in the head...
I can confirm that the Shen Long is a complete bastard of a suit, that will cause great anquish and teeth-gnashing among enemies of the CC. One of the configs made me laugh, another one made me cry.
So it's a CBT mod in BA form? :D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Paul on 26 April 2013, 12:46:40
That fountain of fire for hair certainly would be what happens when you take an ammo crit to infernos in the head...So it's a CBT mod in BA form? :D

Yes, but prettier.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Peacemaker on 26 April 2013, 13:07:15
I'm wagering the Behemoth II tank will be in 3145CC, since it's produced by Aldis (which I think is still in Capellan hands in 3145). The ER:3145 RATs also give the CC the Kelswa Assault Tank (which I would think would be a Lyran design from the name, but I never played MWDA so I have no clue) and the generically-named Arrow IV Assault Vehicle, which isn't on anyone else's table. There's also the Shen Long battle armor, which also sounds like a totally new unit.

So that makes maybe five units we can expect to be in TRO:3145CC (Amazon BA, Shen Long BA, Tian-Zong, and the Arrow IV Assault and Behemoth II thanks). I, for one, am pretty damned excited - and I hope that if FM:3145 drops before the rest of the TROs, it gives us some fun hints towards other units in its (hopefully) expanded RATs!

The Night Stalker BattleMech is also a Capellan design.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Scotty on 26 April 2013, 13:20:10
So, picked up both of these in the last couple days, and some thoughts.  Spoiled just in case.

I'm in love with the Testudo.  It's a pretty basic tank without the artillery, but the artillery makes it shine.  Not many arty platforms can supply their own heavy armor support.

The Kite is pretty good too.  I'm not particularly enamored about the use of SRM2s, but the armored motive system I like, and the electronics suite is excellent.  A wonderful scout.

Give me more Hounds.  I want all of them.  It looks and feels a bit like a real successor to the venerable Warhammer.  For what it does, the BV is bargain-basement low, too.  Do want.

I honestly don't know how to feel about the Jade Hawk.  Half of the variants (the mixed ones) I don't like, but the other ones (the full Clan ones) I do.  The 1 and the 3 in particular are pretty nice.  And it looks badass.

I like the Stalking Spider II.  A canon quad with a turret is great.  A canon quad with a turret that painful is wonderful.  Yes please.

Mad Cat Mk IV is... well, pretty unsurprising, honestly.  The use of an XXL is novel, especially in a product aimed at mercenaries, but it could easily be the vision of prestige that owning an original Timber Wolf used to be, too.

Hawkwolf.  Well, I suppose, if you're absolutely desperate for the long range equivalent of an Archer with slightly more ammo, this is your 'Mech.  Oh, and it's ten tons heavier than the Archer.  Color me totally unimpressed.  About the only thing going for it is its BV.

Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Istal_Devalis on 26 April 2013, 13:54:17
"WHAT?!?!?! My scanner is detecting a battle value of over 3,000!?!?!"

Anyway ... so what do you think the chances of that art preview Randall was hinting at occuring?  [drool]
Personally, I was going to go with a Street Fighter reference, but someone beat me to the (dragon) punch.

Still, I suppose I can still say 'You must defeat Shen Long to stand a chance' during a fighter for a laugh or too.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Pa Weasley on 26 April 2013, 14:15:21
The Night Stalker BattleMech is also a Capellan design.
A quick check of the MWDA pdfs in the downloads section says it's made by Victory Conditions Industries (also makes the Jackalope). No mention on what planet/nation they're located though. We'll have to see.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Peacemaker on 26 April 2013, 15:30:42
A quick check of the MWDA pdfs in the downloads section says it's made by Victory Conditions Industries (also makes the Jackalope). No mention on what planet/nation they're located though. We'll have to see.

There's a passage in To Ride the Chimera that states that the Night Stalker is a Capellan design.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: caioaf on 26 April 2013, 18:07:30
just posted on Facebook. yay for more shimmy and xarbala!

(http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/575434_10151396764388148_1645336362_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/528345_10151396767488148_1588413340_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/551324_10151396768913148_1962036686_n.jpg)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 26 April 2013, 18:25:31
Whoa!  [drool]

And now the speculation begins...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Istal_Devalis on 26 April 2013, 18:27:01
Ooooh Pretty.

Guessing the bottom one (And the one on the right on the colored images) is a Tian-Zong. Looks to have the right layout, but it's a bit beefier then the MWDA version.

The one in the middle reminds me of the Vindicator...new version?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: YingJanshi on 26 April 2013, 18:31:34
Oh, I LOOOVE that cover!!  [drool]

Just take my money alreay! Take it!!
... :-[ ...
Oh drat!!!! I think I got my debit card stuck in my floppy drive again...

[EDIT: Why didn't you post up the two images from TRO: 3145 Kurita?]
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: DarkISI on 26 April 2013, 18:32:38
habbadah   [drool]
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: DarkISI on 26 April 2013, 18:34:16
Ooooh Pretty.

Guessing the bottom one (And the one on the right on the colored images) is a Tian-Zong. Looks to have the right layout, but it's a bit beefier then the MWDA version.

The one in the middle reminds me of the Vindicator...new version?

On Facebook Randall posted the names of the units:
Tian Zong is correct, the other one is the Calliope.

He also posted pre-final versions of the Oni and Scimitar Mk. II. If you don't like Facebook and their tracking cookies, I mirrored them here: http://hpgstation.de/2013/04/tro-3145-vorschaubilder/
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 26 April 2013, 18:36:25
Oh, I LOOOVE that cover!!  [drool]

Just take my money alreay! Take it!!
... :-[ ...
Oh drat!!!! I think I got my debit card stuck in my floppy drive again...

You have a floppy drive? How...quaint.

And I now remember how game companies used to sell subscriptions for their products. This may have been a good idea for the TRO:3145 PDFs: get the whole lot as they come out at a slight discount, or buy just the ones you want for cover price. Of course some people would complain, but they do anyway.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Pa Weasley on 26 April 2013, 18:41:09
OHMYARGH!!!! That cover art is gorgeous!  [drool]
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 26 April 2013, 18:43:01
On Facebook Randall posted the names of the units:
Tian Zong is correct, the other one is the Calliope.

He also posted pre-final versions of the Oni and Scimitar Mk. II. If you don't like Facebook and their tracking cookies, I mirrored them here: http://hpgstation.de/2013/04/tro-3145-vorschaubilder/
For some reason when I saw the bottom one I got a BattleMaster vibe

And is that BA with Disposable Weapon Packs in the color image?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Deadborder on 26 April 2013, 18:55:19
Yay for the Tiang-Zong. Thats one of my most wanted right there and then
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 26 April 2013, 21:55:57
Hmm, Calliope . . . MML9 and . . . plasma rifle?

I really do not see any other weapons on it, so . . . fast & armored?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 26 April 2013, 23:02:29
Hmm, Calliope . . . MML9 and . . . plasma rifle?

I really do not see any other weapons on it, so . . . fast & armored?

I was thinking that myself.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 26 April 2013, 23:19:22
Is that Oni a battle armor?  If it is, that REALLY looks like a Bearhunter on the arm...don't see any other weapons besides some kind of Battle Claw, so it could be a medium suit and thus designed to swarm with that gun.  No visible JJs, but that's not so big a thing with that angle.

The Scimitar is a cute little missile boat but I'm wondering...are those a batch of lasers under four? SRMs or is it something more potent, I wonder...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 26 April 2013, 23:31:01
Hmm, Calliope . . . MML9 and . . . plasma rifle?

I really do not see any other weapons on it, so . . . fast & armored?
I only count 5 launch tubes on the left arm/weapons pod, so MML-5 or LRM-5 and then there's that looks so ballistic weapon to me. The weapons on the right side look twin-LPPC to me
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Top Sergeant on 27 April 2013, 00:00:06
Fixed. Sorry... Have a look at 3145 Mercs' Jade Hawk entry.

Just downloaded and read the TRO.

The Unit in question was destroyed as a fighting unit, but apparently there were survivors, because the ER says "it is an open question whether they can be rebuilt." So we cannot write them off as yet, even though it doesn't look good.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: DarkISI on 27 April 2013, 00:32:02
I only count 5 launch tubes on the left arm/weapons pod, so MML-5 or LRM-5 and then there's that looks so ballistic weapon to me. The weapons on the right side look twin-LPPC to me

You are looking at the wrong 'Mech...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: JadeHellbringer on 27 April 2013, 00:40:56
Hmm, Calliope . . . MML9 and . . . plasma rifle?

I really do not see any other weapons on it, so . . . fast & armored?

The arm looks like a two-weapon array to me... Blazer cannon?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 27 April 2013, 00:49:27
You are looking at the wrong 'Mech...
The Calliope is the one on the left in the coloured image isn't it?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: CitizenErased on 27 April 2013, 00:51:22
No, my money's on that being some kind of fancy Raven. The Calliope is the one that looks like a baby Centurion - and that doesn't look like a dual-weapon on the right arm, I think I see a distinct central barrel. I'm gonna wager it's a plasma cannon to go with that MML-9.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 27 April 2013, 01:16:27
The second image? Yeah that's a MML-9, but I'd say it paired with a Gauss Rifle by the firing after effects on the barrel
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 27 April 2013, 01:44:19
The second image? Yeah that's a MML-9, but I'd say it paired with a Gauss Rifle by the firing after effects on the barrel

Interesting... Maybe a LGR? I could see that working on a stealth design.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 27 April 2013, 02:00:19
Do we have any idea of weight, speed or the like? I plugged the basis of the design into SSW (GR, MML-9, 6 tons of ammo, 2 tons each type) and I'd say 50-65 tons works
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Cyc on 27 April 2013, 02:20:19
No, my money's on that being some kind of fancy Raven.

It may be a production version of the Raven 3X from XTRO Liao, compare the art for that version with the cover.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: dragonkid11 on 27 April 2013, 02:25:27
The chest armor of the Oni looks like a face......

I expected that the autocannon will turn into a drill. :D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 27 April 2013, 02:28:37
It may be a production version of the Raven 3X from XTRO Liao, compare the art for that version with the cover.
Possible, the RVN-3X Raven X has an MRM-10 with Apollo, which would explain the five missile tubes and the two energy weapons on it's right side could be the two MXPL
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Snake Eyes on 27 April 2013, 02:56:00
 :o That color art is coooooool :o
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 27 April 2013, 04:13:29
The chest armor of the Oni looks like a face......

I expected that the autocannon will turn into a drill. :D

Just wait to see how it combines with a Shiro
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Dragon Cat on 27 April 2013, 05:06:37
Interesting... Maybe a LGR? I could see that working on a stealth design.

I'd actually bet on it being a Hyper Velocity AC, it is Capellan after all and they do like HVACs.

HVAC, Stealth Armour MML9+ Artemis, Guardian or Angel suite on a Medium or a light you're not going to get much more on.


I like the Stalking Spider II.  A canon quad with a turret is great.  A canon quad with a turret that painful is wonderful.  Yes please.


The Arana in Interstellar Ops isn't bad for a turret with bite, but this one's turret is a bit of an upgrade
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 27 April 2013, 05:18:12
High end medium at least I'd say Dragon Cat
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Fat Guy on 27 April 2013, 09:50:24
No, my money's on that being some kind of fancy Raven.

Looks like the Wiz Kids Raven to me. 
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 27 April 2013, 13:02:07
I'd actually bet on it being a Hyper Velocity AC, it is Capellan after all and they do like HVACs.

HVAC, Stealth Armour MML9+ Artemis, Guardian or Angel suite on a Medium or a light you're not going to get much more on.

Given the name I'd wager the Calliope is Canopian, though as the two nations are now joined at the hip womb I admit there is little reason to quibble about the 'Mech's origin. That said: Great Cat please don't let that be an HVAC of any variety!  #P

If it is some kind of long range design (LGR or HVAC) then stealth armor would be rather nice, though it may be worth noting that Artemis IV would be useless with that kind of heat profile as there would never be a reason to disengage the stealth armor. [EDIT: Could one use Angel ECM for both stealth armor and for ECCM to allow ArtIV to function? That would be rather neat] More than likely we don't have long to wait to find out though.

My current (completely uninformed and useless) speculation: Either a MAF trooper with a plasma rifle, MML-9 combo or a medium stealth sniper with a LGR and MML-9.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: cold1 on 27 April 2013, 15:30:35
Does anyone else think the arm weapons on the Tian Zong look like heavy lasers???  I'm sure they're not, but that hexagonal housing is familiar.

The Caliope looks cool.  MML9  and LGR sounds right.  Would be a good combo on a fast well armored medium.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 27 April 2013, 15:39:40
See, HMP told me it could be a 6/9 60t mech with the Plasma Rifle w/3t ammo, MML w/3t ammo, ES, Stealth and 13 DHS in the engine and CASE for the MML ammo @ 83% of max armor (168 points).  Load that thing with 2 LRM tons and infernoes and it can work over the conventional side of a LCT pretty well.  Plasma fire for grenadier squads . . .
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Snake Eyes on 27 April 2013, 21:13:54
In that color picture, that other mech looks like the Raven X, also it looks like a Narc launcher attached to the missile launcher
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 27 April 2013, 21:24:24
On Facebook Randall posted the names of the units:
Tian Zong is correct, the other one is the Calliope.

He also posted pre-final versions of the Oni and Scimitar Mk. II. If you don't like Facebook and their tracking cookies, I mirrored them here: http://hpgstation.de/2013/04/tro-3145-vorschaubilder/
Thanks DarkISI, link is much better than Facebook/Tracking Cookies page.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Dragon Cat on 28 April 2013, 01:06:58
High end medium at least I'd say Dragon Cat

My initial thought was 50 or 55 what it actually screamed was Centurion still is big gun, missile pack decent speed I suppose every age needs one
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: I am Belch II on 28 April 2013, 02:28:20
I just don't understand all the rear firing weapons on the mechs in the book. It just seems like a bad idea, if you get a emeny behind you, you have been playing it wrong.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 28 April 2013, 02:30:09
I just don't understand all the rear firing weapons on the mechs in the book. It just seems like a bad idea, if you get a emeny behind you, you have been playing it wrong.
It's a throw back to 3025
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 28 April 2013, 02:31:44
It's a throw back to 3025

And/or the proliferation of Improved Jump Jets has helped bring about the come-back of rear firing weaponry.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Alexander Knight on 28 April 2013, 02:45:00
I just don't understand all the rear firing weapons on the mechs in the book. It just seems like a bad idea, if you get a emeny behind you, you have been playing it wrong.

If I can't get behind you in a Preta Dominus, then either I need to sober up, or you're running a REAL light little bugger.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 28 April 2013, 02:47:48
And/or the proliferation of Improved Jump Jets has helped bring about the come-back of rear firing weaponry.
Given how much tonnage IJJ's cost you're probably better have the rear firing weapons
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 28 April 2013, 02:49:20
Preta, schmeta. If I ever run a force containing anything as fast as a Gossamer, Fox, or Locust-6M and can never get backshots on anyone, it means I'm having SERIOUSLY bad luck with initiative, to the point that even command bonuses wouldn't help me.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Alexander Knight on 28 April 2013, 02:57:56
Preta, schmeta. If I ever run a force containing anything as fast as a Gossamer, Fox, or Locust-6M and can never get backshots on anyone, it means I'm having SERIOUSLY bad luck with initiative, to the point that even command bonuses wouldn't help me.

Valid point
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 28 April 2013, 03:27:50
Preta, schmeta. If I ever run a force containing anything as fast as a Gossamer, Fox, or Locust-6M and can never get backshots on anyone, it means I'm having SERIOUSLY bad luck with initiative, to the point that even command bonuses wouldn't help me.
You, yes Weirdo, but I doubt most people/players will be capable of such a feat
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 28 April 2013, 03:32:40
If any player can't get into the back arc of an enemy with a Locust 6M, then the enemy is backed up against the side of the map.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Maingunnery on 28 April 2013, 17:10:17

Is it me or do the Liao preview pics look a bit Omni-ish?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 28 April 2013, 17:34:34
Is it me or do the Liao preview pics look a bit Omni-ish?
It didn't seem like it was Omni-ish.  I think its just more rounded than it used to be.  Properly the artist way of drawing it.

The Tian Zong did seem bit beefer than the old MWDA mold though.  I'm not complaining, i thought a mech with twin Gauss Rifles should have little more bulk. Aside from the old Galahad and Sun Cobra, this among smallest twin Gauss Rifle toting mechs out there.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 28 April 2013, 17:55:28
Do we have any idea of when we might see the Historical or the Field Manual?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Scotty on 28 April 2013, 18:52:37
You, yes Weirdo, but I doubt most people/players will be capable of such a feat
Getting into rear arcs with anything that moves 8/12/x or faster is pretty damn easy, and there are lots and lots of things that move that fast or faster nowadays.

That doesn't mean I like rear mounted weapons, but I understand their utility.  I'd much rather just flip arms and open fire.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 28 April 2013, 19:02:11
Scotty, it's impossible to design a 'Mech equipped with physical attack weapons that's capable of that and many people like having Hands because they allow you to punch better
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 28 April 2013, 19:11:45
Do we have any idea of when we might see the Historical or the Field Manual?

In recent Battlechats, Herb said that Field Manual: 3145 will probably be out in PDF before the end of the year, but Historical: Wars of the Republic was still in the writing stage
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: martian on 29 April 2013, 01:01:12
The Tian Zong did seem bit beefer than the old MWDA mold though.  I'm not complaining, i thought a mech with twin Gauss Rifles should have little more bulk. Aside from the old Galahad and Sun Cobra, this among smallest twin Gauss Rifle toting mechs out there.

BMB-1X Bombard is even smaller with 50 tons.

But nice art overall.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Decoy on 29 April 2013, 02:02:09
Something I haven't seen mentioned yet is cloisters are still active in the Innersphere clans Granted, they're not popular and they've been divorced from their parent clan for a very long time...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 29 April 2013, 07:46:03
Something I haven't seen mentioned yet is cloisters are still active in the Innersphere clans Granted, they're not popular and they've been divorced from their parent clan for a very long time...
Where are those active? It lists them in ER:3145?? I thought they were concentrated in Clan Nova Cat's now dead Zeta Galaxy which was wiped during the Luthien campaign in the Jihad..
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Istal_Devalis on 29 April 2013, 07:57:51
Does anyone else think the arm weapons on the Tian Zong look like heavy lasers???  I'm sure they're not, but that hexagonal housing is familiar.
If they stick with the DA stats, those are ERML.

I just figure the artist was going for a 'Stealth Armor' look, as it's also supposed to have that.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Decoy on 29 April 2013, 08:04:49
Where are those active? It lists them in ER:3145?? I thought they were concentrated in Clan Nova Cat's now dead Zeta Galaxy which was wiped during the Luthien campaign in the Jihad..

I figure the spoilers aren't much use here so I'll drop them.  Cloisters accepted adherents from other clans and also, IIRC both Wolf and Jade Falcon trialed for elements of various Cobra units during the Harvest Wars. Who knows? Maybe even new sphere specific Cloisters have been formed?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Brigoon on 29 April 2013, 08:58:30
Is it me or do the Liao preview pics look a bit Omni-ish?

? wher can one find such pictures?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 29 April 2013, 08:59:43
? wher can one find such pictures?

Page 2 of this thread.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: DarkISI on 29 April 2013, 09:00:40
? wher can one find such pictures?

Here:
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,28975.msg668754.html#msg668754

or, a few more, here:
http://hpgstation.de/2013/04/tro-3145-vorschaubilder/ or on Facebook (but I won't link to Facebook).
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Aldous on 29 April 2013, 09:14:58
Is it me or do the Liao preview pics look a bit Omni-ish?

Where can I find these preview pics?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: DarkISI on 29 April 2013, 09:16:56
Where can I find these preview pics?

By reading the two posts directly above yours ;)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 29 April 2013, 09:30:28
(but I won't link to Facebook)

Good man. O0 ;)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Lazarus Jaguar on 29 April 2013, 15:08:01
Is Comstar getting a TRO:3145 of it's own?  Or are the new designs mentioned under the Comguard entry in the ER going to be revealed later?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 29 April 2013, 15:15:07
I tried asking about that in the most recent BattleChat (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,28855.msg664098.html#msg664098):

Quote
[18:07] <Nerroth> Will any of the upcoming TROs cover "associated realms" along with their primary faction of choice? For example, would the "Marik" file cover Andurien an Regulus, the Liao file Canopus, and the Republic file the re-formed Com Guard?
[18:10] <@Habeas2> Nerroth - Roughly, yes. The FWL can't avoid looping in assiciated non-League states, and the Capellans and Canopians can't really work separately either.


[18:11] <Nerroth> Does that extend so far as to include any new ComStar units in the Republic file, or does the re-formed Com Guard use "standard" RAF 'Mechs instead?
[18:17] <@Habeas2> Nerroth - You'll see.


Also, would it count as an Easter egg if the Calliope was paired with a new unit called the Arizona?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Pa Weasley on 29 April 2013, 16:05:48
I'm pretty sure that would be the first Grey's Anatomy reference ... and I'm not sure how I feel about knowing that.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 29 April 2013, 16:16:11
Well, at least it would be somewhat apt, should the Calliope turn out to be of Canopian build, given the reputation which the Magistracy has for its medical expertise.

Not that I would want to see the results of a surgical procedure performed by one of those machines, mind you.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Brigoon on 29 April 2013, 19:57:07
Here:
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,28975.msg668754.html#msg668754

or, a few more, here:
http://hpgstation.de/2013/04/tro-3145-vorschaubilder/ or on Facebook (but I won't link to Facebook).

Thank you kind sir
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 29 April 2013, 21:37:22
Here's the final cover for the next installment. Art by Anthony Scroggins.
(http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/images/Liao-Cover.jpg)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 29 April 2013, 21:40:23
It looks like the unit emblem is from Warrior House Ijori (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Warrior_House_Ijori). (Thanks to MadCap for that one.)

Any ideas as to which campaign this scene might be from? (The invasion of Demeter, pehaps?)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nav_Alpha on 30 April 2013, 00:57:26
Hot diggity! That's a nice looking cover. So when does it come out? When?! When?! When!!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SteelRaven on 30 April 2013, 00:59:01
TBA
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Ryumyo on 30 April 2013, 01:02:01
I think around the first or so of the month. Either way " gotta have it " .
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Deadborder on 30 April 2013, 03:59:17
Come May 1, I return to Refresh fever
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Brigoon on 30 April 2013, 05:21:32
The CC sure have been getting a lot of cool looking mech love of late.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Top Sergeant on 30 April 2013, 07:09:20
The CC sure have been getting a lot of cool looking mech love of late.

Maybe its because they've been stuck with that gangly looking Duan Gung for years.  ;)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 30 April 2013, 12:48:19
The CC sure have been getting a lot of cool looking mech love of late.
The CC is likely to be that way because Liao Incursion release from Wizkids...they got alot neat designs for their invasion during MWDA game.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adridos on 30 April 2013, 15:08:36
The CC sure have been getting a lot of cool looking mech love of late.

Well, the other one of those mechs is the good ol' Raven.

The first one is Tian Zong and it finally doesn't look... well, Dark Age-y:

(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/9/97/MWDA_Tian-zong.JPG)

VS the new cover and :

(http://hpgstation.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Tian-Zong.jpg)

Also, can I ask who's signature is that? Lower right corner. I think it's FD, but I don't want to jump on conclusions.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Lord Harlock on 30 April 2013, 16:08:07
At first, I thought it was a modified Legacy just from the mounted guns on the sides of the head, but then you pointed out the MWDA unit. Suddenly, I have visions of write ups about the adaptation of former Blakest units by Capellans.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: God and Davion on 30 April 2013, 16:25:31
Also, can I ask who's signature is that? Lower right corner. I think it's FD, but I don't want to jump on conclusions.

Is Thundergodxarbala
http://thundergodxarbala.deviantart.com/

It is a great artist O0
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adridos on 30 April 2013, 16:30:29
Is Thundergodxarbala
http://thundergodxarbala.deviantart.com/

It is a great artist O0

Thanks... Davion scum.  ::)

Always nice to find another good BTech artist.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Neufeld on 30 April 2013, 16:49:04
Is Thundergodxarbala
http://thundergodxarbala.deviantart.com/

It is a great artist O0

He's doing official BT art now?! Good news, I loved his Rolling Thunder AU picture.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Siden Pryde on 01 May 2013, 00:05:36
He's doing official BT art now?! Good news, I loved his Rolling Thunder AU picture.
[rockon] That was my desktop wallpaper for nearly three months.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ArcaneRaven on 01 May 2013, 05:46:15
That new cover looks delicious!  [drool]

I can't wait for the Marik cover!  [rockon]
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Spheroid on 01 May 2013, 13:03:22
So are these things "true" supplementals ala 3085 or pick your own content interest like the XTROs? 
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: trboturtle on 01 May 2013, 13:16:01
So are these things "true" supplementals ala 3085 or pick your own content interest like the XTROs?

The 3145 TROs are "true" supplementals -- these are the designs in general use at this time.

Craig
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Brigoon on 02 May 2013, 05:15:50
The 3145 TROs are "true" supplementals -- these are the designs in general use at this time.

Craig

sweet...

   Can we have it now? I have money   O:-)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: marauder648 on 02 May 2013, 06:32:02
A question. I suppose its so we can get more units etc and keep the books from being HUUUUGE but what happened to the days of the TRO's having -everyone- in it, clans, the lot, rather than, house, faction, corner shop etc.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: DarkISI on 02 May 2013, 06:33:44
Herb already stated that there will be a print TRO 3145. As with all previous print TROs, we can assume that it will include units from all faction.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: marauder648 on 02 May 2013, 07:09:18
Re that mech above, calling it now, two light PPCs it its a light/medium or two plasma cannons if its a heavy.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Marwynn on 02 May 2013, 07:41:15
Re that mech above, calling it now, two light PPCs it its a light/medium or two plasma cannons if its a heavy.

The Tian-zong?

It has twin Gauss Rifles, ER MLs in the arms, and Stealth armour. At least, the MWDA version did.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: cold1 on 02 May 2013, 07:43:58
Re that mech above, calling it now, two light PPCs it its a light/medium or two plasma cannons if its a heavy.

Pretty sure it was dual gauss and ER mediums in the Dark Age... it's a bigger mech 70-80 tons or something.

Someone from the AOD world will be along shortly I'm sure to tell me I'm wrong. :)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: marauder648 on 02 May 2013, 07:56:38
I stand corrected :) I know nothing about those mechs. 
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Decoy on 02 May 2013, 08:44:46
*takes a trip to Warrenborn to freshen his memory*

There are two versions of the Tian-zong listed. One has two ER Mediums and a pair of Gauss Rifles. The other has a pair of Light Gauss Rifles and a pair of ER Large Lasers.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 02 May 2013, 08:56:22
Another Stealth Dual-Gauss boat? Great, the Pillagers are going to have buddies... #P
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 02 May 2013, 09:10:10
Or they've replaced the Pillagers?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: cavingjan on 02 May 2013, 09:12:17
Or they are pocket Pillagers.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 02 May 2013, 09:13:55
Well...if I can have a pocket battleship, I suppose Capellans can have pocket Pillagers...

Just don't point them at my Marians! >:(
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Istal_Devalis on 02 May 2013, 11:38:24
A LOT of Cappelan DA fans have been waiting for the Tian-Zong. It's a nasty little mech too.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Pa Weasley on 02 May 2013, 11:44:38
Speaking of which, hey it's May. How many Capellan fans have worn out their mouse hitting the refresh button?  ;D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Marwynn on 02 May 2013, 12:06:29
I'm not even a Cappie fan and I'm checking my twitter regularly to see if there's any announcements. There's a new blog about the Alpha Strike rules, but nothing else so far.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 02 May 2013, 12:27:02
One wonders if any Canopian fans are similarly excited for this product. (According to the most recent BattleChat, the Magistracy is considered to be an "associated realm", in terms of getting its new toys in with those for the Confederation.)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Bergie on 02 May 2013, 13:04:39
Canopian fans have probably died of boredom over their faction turning into the Capellan Confederation :P ;)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Coldwyn on 02 May 2013, 13:16:16
Canopian fans have probably died of boredom over their faction turning into the Capellan Confederation :P ;)

They shouldn´t complain. It took FASA ages to publish the revised edition of The Periphery with their first, whopping, three own units. Since then, the number of dedicated periphery-units more or less equals the number of dedicated successor state units.
So, it would be a good deal if a major house TRO came attached with a lesser political unit, but besides CapCon/MoC, where else would we see that? OTOH, it´d be funny to have FedSuns and Taurians share a book. Poetic justice and such.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 02 May 2013, 13:23:31
They shouldn´t complain. It took FASA ages to publish the revised edition of The Periphery with their first, whopping, three own units. Since then, the number of dedicated periphery-units more or less equals the number of dedicated successor state units.
So, it would be a good deal if a major house TRO came attached with a lesser political unit, but besides CapCon/MoC, where else would we see that? OTOH, it´d be funny to have FedSuns and Taurians share a book. Poetic justice and such.

Regulus and Andurien would count as "associated realms" of the re-formed Free Worlds League.

Perhaps some Clan Wolf-in-Exile units might end up in the LCAF file, and some Nova Cats in with the DCMS?

Plus, I'm hoping that the new ComStar toys hinted at in ER:3145 will be included in TRO:3145 Republic of the Sphere. (It's about a good a place as any to put them.)

I wonder if the RotS file will be the last of the eight to be published? If so, I imagine that it may be a case of saving some of the most exotic units for last, since it would presumably have the Colossi added in there.

Although it would be ironic if TRO:3145 The Clans came out second-to-last (after the five House files), which would enable the QuadVees to skip ahead of the Colossi in the BT publication order.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Istal_Devalis on 02 May 2013, 14:21:38
I mostly want the TRO ROTS manual for the 'FLYING MONKEYS' and Centaur battle armor.
Oh the things I plan to do with Centaur Battle armor.

Someone remind me...how many battlesuits can a Garrot carry?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Brigoon on 02 May 2013, 15:48:40
Speaking of which, hey it's May. How many Capellan fans have worn out their mouse hitting the refresh button?  ;D

I'm not a Capellan fan by nature but I think I have almost killed my mouse since I saw the pic for this TRO.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Coldwyn on 02 May 2013, 16:07:11
I'm not a Capellan fan by nature but I think I have almost killed my mouse since I saw the pic for this TRO.

I´m actually an Capellan fan and I must say I´m interested, and that it. I´ve come into BT with tho old starter box, later on the 3025 TRO and that shaped my mind about the look and feel of some of the units, so, for example, I´ll gladly take new tech to rework a raven or trush instead of fielding new units.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nav_Alpha on 02 May 2013, 19:04:45
I'm about a quarter of the way through a CapCon invasion campaign, so I'm really keen on this PDF. Just hoping it comes out soon so I can incorporate some of the new designs.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 02 May 2013, 21:13:56
The FedSuns and Filtvelt will be linked for the simple reason of . . 

Filtvelt has sent 'volunteers' to fight the Dragon.  Please let them yell 'St George and Davion!'
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nav_Alpha on 02 May 2013, 22:06:37
The FedSuns and Filtvelt will be linked for the simple reason of . . 

Filtvelt has sent 'volunteers' to fight the Dragon.  Please let them yell 'St George and Davion!'

It will be interesting to see how the Filtvelt volunteer unit and their Hounds go against the Dragon.
Politically, it could be potentially very dangerous - how are Filtvelt's citizens going to feel when their boys start dying en masse to protect a realm they rejected 60+ years ago?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 02 May 2013, 22:13:45
It will be interesting to see how the Filtvelt volunteer unit and their Hounds go against the Dragon.
Politically, it could be potentially very dangerous - how are Filtvelt's citizens going to feel when their boys start dying en masse to protect a realm they rejected 60+ years ago?


Something that didn't catch my eye at first was what the ER3145 says the Filtvelt volunteer legion is posted at Anjin Muerto.   That choice of a base makes little sense, other than possibly relieving a PMM regiment there for service closer to the Palmyra Thumb.  Until the plucky Filtveltians are stationed anywhere near invading Dracs, I don't see how they're going to fight any.  (or maybe it falls under the unreliable narrator escape clause..)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SteveRestless on 02 May 2013, 22:45:36
I'm pretty sure the volunteers are being sent out of filtvelt
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 02 May 2013, 22:47:46

Something that didn't catch my eye at first was what the ER3145 says the Filtvelt volunteer legion is posted at Anjin Muerto.   That choice of a base makes little sense, other than possibly relieving a PMM regiment there for service closer to the Palmyra Thumb.  Until the plucky Filtveltians are stationed anywhere near invading Dracs, I don't see how they're going to fight any.  (or maybe it falls under the unreliable narrator escape clause..)

The MAF is doing something similar in its deployments to Capellan space; them being there on garrison duty is freeing up a larger proportion of the CCAF for ongoing operations against the Federated Suns.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: roosterboy on 02 May 2013, 22:55:20
The entry for the Thumpers says they haven't been deployed yet. Good bet the citizen volunteer units haven't either.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Aldous on 03 May 2013, 02:32:35
I pray TPTB will let us keep Tikonov and Chesterton. Considering how often Capellans get screwed in the end, I seriously doubt these happy days will last.

btw... what likelihood we'll get a detailed account of the campaign?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 03 May 2013, 02:45:03
I pray TPTB will let us keep Tikonov and Chesterton. Considering how often Capellans get screwed in the end, I seriously doubt these happy days will last.

 . . . lol?  Xin Sheng!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 03 May 2013, 03:12:57
. . . lol?  Xin Sheng!
I'd say that's closer to a restoration of previous then actual gain.

Really the CC is sort of a bastard state, it's one of the Great Houses, which means that stuff is expected to happen to it, but due to it's small size when BAD stuff happens to it it takes a long time to recover so long periods where it appears to dominate are a result which means that after it recovers people sort of expect MORE bad stuff to happen
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Coldwyn on 03 May 2013, 03:34:00
I'd say that's closer to a restoration of previous then actual gain.

Really the CC is sort of a bastard state, it's one of the Great Houses, which means that stuff is expected to happen to it, but due to it's small size when BAD stuff happens to it it takes a long time to recover so long periods where it appears to dominate are a result which means that after it recovers people sort of expect MORE bad stuff to happen

Too true.
The CapCon is that ugly little dog still fighting back and winning. As long as it was all about recapturing what was lost, that was fine and it gave a good sense of purpose.
I wouldn´t mind if there´d be an internal schism coming up, a war weary people having reached their goal and calling it quits now. It would make for an interesting storyline to see the CapCon even further transformed into an entirely different political entity and witness the reactions of their neighbours.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 03 May 2013, 07:50:07
Guys, please, let's not start this again.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Neufeld on 03 May 2013, 08:19:42
Too true.
The CapCon is that ugly little dog still fighting back and winning. As long as it was all about recapturing what was lost, that was fine and it gave a good sense of purpose.
I wouldn´t mind if there´d be an internal schism coming up, a war weary people having reached their goal and calling it quits now. It would make for an interesting storyline to see the CapCon even further transformed into an entirely different political entity and witness the reactions of their neighbours.

Well, I did a map comparison, and while the CC has captured worlds from the FS that it did not control during the SL, there are still Capellan SL worlds that are under FS control. So, there are still things to fight for, and it's still a net positive for the FS.

CC Star League worlds still not controlled:
- Mendham
- Yuris
- Frazer
- Glentworth
- Sirdar
- Jonzac
- Kafr Silim
- Safe Port
- Cotocallao
- Courcellete
- Shaunavon
- Abruzzi
- Bacum (Sirdar PDZ)
- Quittacas
- Stein's Folly
- Redfield
- Shoreham
- Alcyone
- Daniels
- Monhegan
- Bethel
- Andro
- Cammal
- Gallitzin
- Lee
- Perkasie
. Moravian
- Acala
- Axton
- Bell
- Ashkum
- Valexa (St. Ives - Kathil area)

Worlds controlled by CC in 3145, but not during the Star League:
- Bromhead
- Rollis
- Laconis
- Brisbane (All four Taurian during SL)
- Royalston
- Narellan
- Jaipur
- Beenleigh
- Cumberland
- Mordialloc
- Hobson
- Taygeta
- Kaitangata
- New Syrtis (Syris Thumb)
- Demeter
- Chesterton (Chesterton worlds)

Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 03 May 2013, 09:31:45
Da Bosch is right. This is NOT the thread for another 'CapCon is winning/losing' discussion. Go find an existing one, or start your own. [copper]
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 03 May 2013, 18:40:55
From the sneak preview, which i think showed alot of units.  Any speculation on how many new-new designs will be added?

Looks from the Cover art like one of the Mechs is a streamline Raven.  Is this one of the Dark Age variants that looks like the RVN-3X or is this a completely differient Mech that looks like one.  The MWDA Raven fig doesn't quite look (to me) like cover art one.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Ryumyo on 03 May 2013, 20:17:31
I see that TRO 3145 CC isn't out yet.
I'm waiting just like everyone else.
Hopefully soon?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 04 May 2013, 15:18:52
Does anyone recognise which Ares Colossal variant is in the artwork on page 118 of ER:3145? (And what class is the 'Mech to the left of it in that same image?)


Also, assuming that the Colossi are set to go in TRO:3145 Republic of the Sphere, would it be likely that "only" the models shown in MW:DA/AoD would be shown; or is it possible that a further evolution of the chassis might await us when the time comes?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Pa Weasley on 04 May 2013, 16:37:20
At least going by Sarna, the Hades is the only one with paired missile launchers.

As for the other 'Mech, I'd says it's this (http://www.warrenborn.com/Unit.php?ID=VG085) variety of Atlas.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 04 May 2013, 17:28:53
At least going by Sarna, the Hades is the only one with paired missile launchers.

As for the other 'Mech, I'd says it's this (http://www.warrenborn.com/Unit.php?ID=VG085) variety of Atlas.

That site is very useful, thanks.

(Actually, are there any clues as to what unit the image's point of view might be from? The scene in general seems somewhat reminiscent of this clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipiwSVv42Wk).)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: cavingjan on 04 May 2013, 18:19:10
I think that clip was supposed to have been shot from a Shandra if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: BigAl on 06 May 2013, 00:10:04
Since the release of HTP; New Dallas and new maps,  I guess the TRO 3145 CC will be seen later this month or next month?  I do enjoy HTP; New Dallas.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 06 May 2013, 00:28:01
Got confused, put comment in the wrong thread
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adridos on 11 May 2013, 03:52:29
Still waitin'.

In the meantime, do you think it might have some new redesign of the good old Vindicator? The mech is the signature of Capellan battlemechs and really deserves a decent redesign... plus, altough they already have a modern variant of it (that means, plasma rifle+stealth armor combo), the VND-6L has a sword and rocket launchers and other non-sense that doesn't belong onto a Vindicator.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: YingJanshi on 11 May 2013, 03:59:49
Hey, does anyone think the print TRO: 3145 will have some sort of "Old is the New New" section like TRO: 3085 did? Just showing new variants that weren't complete redesigns?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: martian on 11 May 2013, 04:01:29
Hey, does anyone think the print TRO: 3145 will have some sort of "Old is the New New" section like TRO: 3085 did? Just showing new variants that weren't complete redesigns?

I would be glad for this.

Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nav_Alpha on 11 May 2013, 05:12:06
I would be glad for this.



Like-wise. It would fit with the era too: the cutting edge of brand new tech being rolled out contrasted with older machines re-hashed with new tech.
Sounds good
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: marauder648 on 11 May 2013, 06:19:18
I would be glad for this.

Same here! Give some of the old girls some limelight. And put the bloody three legged thingy in it!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Rainbow 6 on 11 May 2013, 07:39:19
Same here! Give some of the old girls some limelight. And put the bloody three legged thingy in it!

And here!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Brigoon on 11 May 2013, 08:25:02
Hey, does anyone think the print TRO: 3145 will have some sort of "Old is the New New" section like TRO: 3085 did? Just showing new variants that weren't complete redesigns?

That would be pretty sweet IMHO


 +1 for the Vindicator face lift, also I think a Omni Cataphract would be sweet.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 11 May 2013, 08:33:31
That would be pretty sweet IMHO


 +1 for the Vindicator face lift, also I think a Omni Cataphract would be sweet.

IntroTech everything but the heat sinks and weapons to keep the cost down or all the bells and whistles?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Brigoon on 11 May 2013, 08:49:53
IntroTech everything but the heat sinks and weapons to keep the cost down or all the bells and whistles?


Well the Cappies like to do a Low-end/High-end thing.


   So for the regulars they would probably get a Intro Tech design with upgraded weapons with newer armor that is kinda cheap.

  For the High Speeds all the bell & whistles with the kitchen sink thrown in a couple times to make a point.

Now is the prefect time too, everyone but the CC and it seems the DC have been using Stones Hippie fever crack rocks. perfect time to get a bit of a tech lead to keep your enemy's off guard.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adridos on 11 May 2013, 08:54:54
IntroTech everything but the heat sinks and weapons to keep the cost down or all the bells and whistles?

Well, for the first step, they could finally up the engine to a decent speed, since the days of 64 kp/h mediums are long gone...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 11 May 2013, 09:14:12
Well, for the first step, they could finally up the engine to a decent speed, since the days of 64 kp/h mediums are long gone...

Cataphract is a heavy; but I take your point re the Vindicator.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: WarGod on 11 May 2013, 09:53:58
Would want to see some of the old girls back.   Alot of the Dark age mechs (despite my violent aversion to clicky tech), just seemed not right.   especially towards the end of it.    Anyways 3145 mercs was pretty cool, but how did Clan tech get so prevalent on the merc market?  I mean merc Rats seem to be alot of not quite top of the line machines .  I know sea fox / diamond sharks where selling clan second line machines to IS forces, but I though it was only a hand full at a  time.    Better yet how did the the sharks / foxes get the industrial capacity to keep up?  I've read wars of reaving, and a grand total of 3 dark age books, and currently working through bonfire of worlds.  Or are some clans merchants getting a little greedy, or light fingered? 

Love the Hound btw, and can't wait for a mini to come out. 
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Brigoon on 11 May 2013, 10:18:53
Would want to see some of the old girls back.   Alot of the Dark age mechs (despite my violent aversion to clicky tech), just seemed not right.   especially towards the end of it.    Anyways 3145 mercs was pretty cool, but how did Clan tech get so prevalent on the merc market?  I mean merc Rats seem to be alot of not quite top of the line machines .  I know sea fox / diamond sharks where selling clan second line machines to IS forces, but I though it was only a hand full at a  time.    Better yet how did the the sharks / foxes get the industrial capacity to keep up?  I've read wars of reaving, and a grand total of 3 dark age books, and currently working through bonfire of worlds.  Or are some clans merchants getting a little greedy, or light fingered? 

Love the Hound btw, and can't wait for a mini to come out.

I think by this time the Sea Foxes have finished converting their Potemkin's into mobile factories plus the factories they captured on Tycross. So they should have a pretty good military industrial complex. plus I am sure they can always sub-contract out to other companies or just buy whole runs and sprinkle it around.

Also I think they've stopped with selling just the lower tech designs a while ago. Kinda hard to capture the market with a old Warhammer IIC when everyone wants a Mad Cat IV.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adridos on 11 May 2013, 10:57:51
Cataphract is a heavy; but I take your point re the Vindicator.

Yeah, I was talking about the Vindicator.  O:-)

Anyways 3145 mercs was pretty cool, but how did Clan tech get so prevalent on the merc market?  I mean merc Rats seem to be alot of not quite top of the line machines .  I know sea fox / diamond sharks where selling clan second line machines to IS forces, but I though it was only a hand full at a  time.

Didn't IS practically catch-up with Clan tech by the 3145, making even second-line units too primitive for their use?

Besides, weren't Mad Cats III+ built specifically to sell to the Inner Sphere as the most prominent Clans stayed true to the original and didn't want any of them, thus making selling to the IS a very viable alternative?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: martian on 11 May 2013, 11:32:11
Besides, weren't Mad Cats III+ built specifically to sell to the Inner Sphere as the most prominent Clans stayed true to the original and didn't want any of them, thus making selling to the IS a very viable alternative?

That's true for both the Mad Cat Mk.II (in 3060s) and the Mad Cat III (in 3080s)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adridos on 11 May 2013, 12:02:56
That's true for both the Mad Cat Mk.II (in 3060s) and the Mad Cat III (in 3080s)

Yeah, altough looking back at the mech's equipment and pondering about it's prize, it surely isn't widespread around all the mercenary groups working in the Inner Sphere.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Decoy on 11 May 2013, 12:17:52
Take RATs for what you will, but both are pretty prominent on the 3145 mercenary tables....or so I think.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 11 May 2013, 13:06:48
Personally, I'd be more interested in new unit types, as opposed to upgrades of older ones. (There will likely be a fair few of the latter in any case, such as the Atlas "Solitude" (http://www.warrenborn.com/Unit.php?ID=VG085) noted earlier in the thread as a likely candidate for the 'Mech seen as an escort to the Ares Colossal shown in ER:3145.)

As for the Colossi themselves, I'm hoping that they will be in TRO:3145 Republic of the Sphere. I wonder if we'll "only" get the variants shown in MW:DA/AoD (The Zeus (http://www.warrenborn.com/Unit.php?ID=BF019), Hera (http://www.warrenborn.com/Unit.php?ID=BF020), Hades (http://www.warrenborn.com/Unit.php?ID=BF021), and Poseidon (http://www.warrenborn.com/Unit.php?ID=BF035)), or if there'll be a new version which Catalyst have worked up as part of ther own plans for the class?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Prince of Darkness on 11 May 2013, 14:48:52
Personally, I'd be more interested in new unit types, as opposed to upgrades of older ones. (There will likely be a fair few of the latter in any case, such as the Atlas "Solitude" (http://www.warrenborn.com/Unit.php?ID=VG085) noted earlier in the thread as a likely candidate for the 'Mech seen as an escort to the Ares Colossal shown in ER:3145.)

As for the Colossi themselves, I'm hoping that they will be in TRO:3145 Republic of the Sphere. I wonder if we'll "only" get the variants shown in MW:DA/AoD (The Zeus (http://www.warrenborn.com/Unit.php?ID=BF019), Hera (http://www.warrenborn.com/Unit.php?ID=BF020), Hades (http://www.warrenborn.com/Unit.php?ID=BF021), and Poseidon (http://www.warrenborn.com/Unit.php?ID=BF035)), or if there'll be a new version which Catalyst have worked up as part of ther own plans for the class?

The "solitude" is Jonah Levin's personal ride- I'd expect a new Atlas variant in the future that uses new armor to look "hockey-player" like.

It's possible Catalyst will make a 5th, however only 4 Colossi were statted by Wizkids and Catalyst has been pretty adamant about sticking to their tech readouts (for better or worse).  However, they will be omnimechs for what it's worth, and because of that technically any variant you can come up with can be one.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 11 May 2013, 15:18:02
Well, the Shark/Foxes are not just selling equipment they are buying, they are selling stuff they picked up in trade or Trial from Nova Cats, Warden Wolves, Ghost Bears, Ravens, Crusader Wolves and Hell's Horses . . . maybe the Falcons.  They also have several worlds and who knows what in the periphery producing things.  I expect they set up shop on the Clan Protectorate as well, maybe upgrading some of the factories they found on those worlds.

But I also expect the Shark/Foxes are selling IS gear around as well based on Petr Kalasa's thoughts about a limo.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 11 May 2013, 18:46:18
The "solitude" is Jonah Levin's personal ride- I'd expect a new Atlas variant in the future that uses new armor to look "hockey-player" like.

Since "solitude" version of the Atlas came out for MWDA/AoD I kept thinking that the this is the Atlas II next evolutionary step.  The 3085 Atlas basically the cartoonish version which Levin original piloted (his Black Atlas in the original release of MWDA set).

Way the "solitude's" right arm has that Rotary-like gun underslinger is very similar to the Atlas II.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Istal_Devalis on 13 May 2013, 07:50:32
Hey, does anyone think the print TRO: 3145 will have some sort of "Old is the New New" section like TRO: 3085 did? Just showing new variants that weren't complete redesigns?
Honestly? I think we're more likely to see a Vindicator II then just an upgraded Vindicator.
The days where we were stuck with the same frame due to economic and technology reasons are long past. If they want a 'new' Vindicator, rebuild it from the ground up rather then patching the old one.

The older verisons get shoved into reserve units.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adridos on 13 May 2013, 11:20:53
Honestly? I think we're more likely to see a Vindicator II then just an upgraded Vindicator.

And how would a Vindicatro II be like?

Because really, Vindicator is a generic-mech extraordinaire, it's just great at being that and new versions usually improve on the old model. What is to improve on a generic mech?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Istal_Devalis on 14 May 2013, 09:57:14
No idea. I'm sure everyone can come up with their perfectly optimized version of the Vindicator. But if we're doing that anyways, and essentially rebuilding it from the ground up, it's often easier to just make a new machine rather then continually upgrading old machines, even if in terms of stats it's mostly the same thing. It's a prestige thing as it's a 'new' unit rather then continually producing an 'old' one.

As is, we're up to the Enforcer III, the Capellans are falling behind the Davions.  ;D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adridos on 15 May 2013, 10:18:01
As is, we're up to the Enforcer III, the Capellans are falling behind the Davions.  ;D

But they cheated... altough if you take it from the other side, they couldn't get the design right in three tries while we nailed it on the first one and we did so using leftover junk.  8)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 15 May 2013, 10:27:51
I know sea fox / diamond sharks where selling clan second line machines to IS forces, but I though it was only a hand full at a  time.    Better yet how did the the sharks / foxes get the industrial capacity to keep up?

Sea Foxes/Diamond Sharks always loved building infrastructure to support their clan. So the enclaves and mobile factories are pretty strong by now I'd guess. Also, whatever we're building in the chaineline islands and anywhere else people can't see.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Decoy on 15 May 2013, 10:32:31
Let's just put it this way. Some clan Battlemech designs are now ubiquitous due to the Sea Foxes. *looks at the Koshi, the Stalking Spider II, and the Black Hawk*
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 15 May 2013, 10:38:30
Let's just put it this way. Some clan Battlemech designs are now ubiquitous due to the Sea Foxes. *looks at the Koshi, the Stalking Spider II, and the Black Hawk*

You are Welcome.  :)

Edit: readout 3145 mercenaries reads like a Diamond Shark Catalogue. But it is not like the inner sphere was not closing that technological gap in the first place. Also, how long can genetically bred warriors trained from birth to be awesome at piloting mechs claim glory from beating up people with less disturbing childhoods in inferior mechs?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adridos on 15 May 2013, 11:30:42
Also, how long can genetically bred warriors trained from birth to be awesome at piloting mechs claim glory from beating up people with less disturbing childhoods in inferior mechs?

Well, once they finally get bored of it, they pull off some stunt like the Wars of Reaving.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Pa Weasley on 15 May 2013, 15:39:51
So Randall left this on Twitter a very short time ago ...
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CatalystGameLab @catalystgamelab  24m 
Wow...the proofing PDF of Technical Readout: 3145 Capellan Confederation looks amazing...so wonna take some of those into the field... rnb
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 15 May 2013, 17:04:36
David White posted up on Facebook that he's completed some initial drafts for a new Technical Readout as well, so woo.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: kenahk on 17 May 2013, 03:22:17
 :D, Nice, I'm interested in what kind of stealth contraptions the Capellans have put to the field.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adridos on 17 May 2013, 08:02:22
:D, Nice, I'm interested in what kind of stealth contraptions the Capellans have put to the field.

Null sig for everyone!  [drool]
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: kenahk on 17 May 2013, 08:14:14
"And so the Capellan Confederation ceases to exist" ;D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Pa Weasley on 17 May 2013, 08:33:34
:D, Nice, I'm interested in what kind of stealth contraptions the Capellans have put to the field.
Null sig for everyone!  [drool]
The Null Sig-equipped mess hall proved to be widely unpopular.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 17 May 2013, 09:30:30
The Null Sig-equipped mess hall proved to be widely unpopular.
You think that was bad, how about the time the Capellans Null-Sig'ed a FedSuns regiment's latrines!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Marwynn on 17 May 2013, 09:32:23
I'll be honest, the only reason I'm excited to buy the TR3145 CapCon is so that I can get the Draconis Combine one after that and it'll tide me over till then...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Frabby on 17 May 2013, 10:03:30
"And so the Capellan Confederation ceases to exist" ;D
"The best trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
 ^-^
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Molossian Dog IIC on 17 May 2013, 10:10:34
Hey, does anyone think the print TRO: 3145 will have some sort of "Old is the New New" section like TRO: 3085 did? Just showing new variants that weren't complete redesigns?

Personally I would love if they included one page which lists -all- currently (commonly) available units and variants of a specific faction in the era in question.

I know there is the Master Unit List. The overview you get by having your new toys and old stand-bys in one book/PDF would still be appreciated. But maybe that´s just me.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: YingJanshi on 17 May 2013, 11:02:24
I was thinking about this last night, and I would like to see another conventional Infantry section in the print TRO.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 17 May 2013, 11:06:19
I was thinking about this last night, and I would like to see another conventional Infantry section in the print TRO.

This would make me so insanely happy...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: nckestrel on 17 May 2013, 11:08:11
Personally I would love if they included one page which lists -all- currently (commonly) available units and variants of a specific faction in the era in question.

I know there is the Master Unit List. The overview you get by having your new toys and old stand-bys in one book/PDF would still be appreciated. But maybe that´s just me.

One page?? The MUL BV PDF was one era, and 208 pages.  let's say we formatted it to cut out two-thirds of the text, that's still 70 pages.
And would be immediatley out of date as soon as a new publication came out with additional information.
Meanwhile, the planned series listing production for each era, nobody (in significant enough numbers) cared enough to actually buy it.
So you get it for free, on the MUL website, instead. And Layout, Development and whoever else would be involved in a print/PDF release can concentrate on stuff that people actually want to pay for.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Coldwyn on 17 May 2013, 12:13:27
I was thinking about this last night, and I would like to see another conventional Infantry section in the print TRO.

The more House/Army specific, the better. I also wouldn´t mind seeing more infantry support options.

Null sig for everyone!  [drool]

Fear the day they invent null sig for beast mounted cavalry. The stealth elephant in the capellan porcelain store is fearsome.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: YingJanshi on 17 May 2013, 12:17:18
Fear the day they invent null sig for beast mounted cavalry. The stealth elephant in the capellan porcelain store is fearsome.

Sig'd.  :D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 17 May 2013, 12:19:28
Wouldn't it be a Taurian in a Capellan porcelain store?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Coldwyn on 17 May 2013, 13:10:04
Wouldn't it be a Taurian in a Capellan porcelain store?

Actually, no. That´s the guys who very politelly ask where to reach the next transfer dropper over to Canopus.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SpaceCowboy1701 on 17 May 2013, 13:49:22
I think we've found a great entry for Boondoggles 2: "Stealth Branth," and the Tariq variant. You know someone would try it ... 

Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Coldwyn on 17 May 2013, 14:08:13
I think we've found a great entry for Boondoggles 2: "Stealth Branth," and the Tariq variant. You know someone would try it ...

Serious question:

The sample tariq riders are bull manure because of the action bolt rifles they use. recalculate them with mausers and that´s an entirelly different thing. Branths, by the rules, could carry 2-3 support wepaons each, which is fearsome, especially if you have damage/heat weapons like the plasma support rifle at it.
Therefore, I´m really curious, why would they be boondoggles? Especially the branth would be a rather cheap (under 100 BV) unit with 5 VTOL movement that deals two kindsa damage.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 17 May 2013, 14:11:11
They'd be boondoggles because that's not what they would put on them. They'd put ERSPLs on them, and the Quirk: Illegal would stem from the soldiers that herniated themselves trying to lift the guns onto the dragons, and from the animal cruelty lawsuits.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Coldwyn on 17 May 2013, 14:14:58
They'd be boondoggles because that's not what they would put on them. They'd put ERSPLs on them, and the Quirk: Illegal would stem from the soldiers that herniated themselves trying to lift the guns onto the dragons, and from the animal cruelty lawsuits.

Erm... *blush* ... enlighten me, ERSPLs? What´s that?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 17 May 2013, 14:16:09
ER Small Pulse Laser. A real gun, but I'm fairly certain it's not a legal infantry support weapon...which is the point of a boondoggle. O0
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Coldwyn on 17 May 2013, 14:21:22
ER Small Pulse Laser. A real gun, but I'm fairly certain it's not a legal infantry support weapon...which is the point of a boondoggle. O0

Lol, just rechecked the field-towed guns rules and you´re right, under no circumstances could they used that lasers.
OTOH, how would a support pulse laser look like?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 17 May 2013, 14:22:25
Oh, I thought the stealth branths would be boondoggles because the troopers kept loosing them.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 17 May 2013, 14:24:25
Lol, just rechecked the field-towed guns rules and you´re right, under no circumstances could they used that lasers.
OTOH, how would a support pulse laser look like?

Like the Support Pulse Laser in Tech Manual. O0

I should said ERMPL, to better illustrate the ridiculousness of the joke. Sorry.

Oh, I thought the stealth branths would be boondoggles because the troopers kept loosing them.

...oh gods, I just tried to imagine herding mimetic cats. #P
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Coldwyn on 17 May 2013, 14:26:21
Oh, I thought the stealth branths would be boondoggles because the troopers kept loosing them.

Now on Craighs List: Lost, Branth, Stalth, Invisible...

Have you seen our units Branth? It looks a bit dragonie, listens to then name of Malfoi and likes roast rabit. Finders Fee: 100 Credits.

@Weirdo:
Sorry there, it seems sometimes jokes are lost in translation.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: False Son on 17 May 2013, 14:30:30
Serious question:

The sample tariq riders are bull manure because of the action bolt rifles they use. recalculate them with mausers and that´s an entirelly different thing. Branths, by the rules, could carry 2-3 support wepaons each, which is fearsome, especially if you have damage/heat weapons like the plasma support rifle at it.
Therefore, I´m really curious, why would they be boondoggles? Especially the branth would be a rather cheap (under 100 BV) unit with 5 VTOL movement that deals two kindsa damage.

There are better versions of the Tariq mounted infantry.  They aren't Rottweilers, but 5 ground MP is still fairly quick.

The Branth riders, as much as I hate to admit it, are fine as is.  They aren't really meant to take on armored units.  Their primary role is recon, followed by terrorizing infantry.  They do both jobs very well for their BV.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Pa Weasley on 17 May 2013, 14:31:26
...oh gods, I just tried to imagine herding mimetic cats. #P
But at least the faster they move, the easier they are to see. ::)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Gaiiten on 17 May 2013, 14:32:44
David White posted up on Facebook that he's completed some initial drafts for a new Technical Readout as well, so woo.

... 3250????????? ...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 17 May 2013, 14:35:47
The Branth riders, as much as I hate to admit it, are fine as is.  They aren't really meant to take on armored units.  Their primary role is recon, followed by terrorizing infantry.  They do both jobs very well for their BV.

Concur. I'd prefer a full-size platoon for the terrorizing bit, but the stock platoon will work very nicely as a scout or spotter.

...and now I want to see if any rulebook bothered to post an exception to the 'infantry can hide anywhere' rule and see if Branths can hide while hovering in midair.

And then see if they can swarm.

Because I'm a bastard.

... 3250????????? ...
Possible. Could be one of the other 3145s, too. Or an XTRO.

Or something else entirely. ^-^
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Coldwyn on 17 May 2013, 14:46:02
There are better versions of the Tariq mounted infantry.  They aren't Rottweilers, but 5 ground MP is still fairly quick.

The Branth riders, as much as I hate to admit it, are fine as is.  They aren't really meant to take on armored units.  Their primary role is recon, followed by terrorizing infantry.  They do both jobs very well for their BV.

Please correct me if I´m wrong? What are we talking about? Theoretical units or stock units? I´m a bit miffed that the stock branth riders (3085) use elephant guns as their staples, disregarding the rules options, so they´re totally short-selling themselves. I´d really look forward seeing a reverential unit equipped "like they mean it".

And now, to re-rail this, how about ideas to even more strengthen the stealth schtick going on with the cappies? Am I the only one that really likes to see stuff like the C&C Nod Stealth tank?
Afterthought: [Expletive] would I be happy to see a more or less armorless, full null-sig chameleon tank with 2x 30er Apollo MRMs ....
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 17 May 2013, 14:50:43
Two things:

1: The elephant guns aren't the damage-dealers, the elephant guns are warning shots to announce your presence so the incoming swarm of dragons can properly instill terror. The real damage-dealer is the dragons themselves, what with that 2d6 damage vs infantry.

2: Just because something doesn't use the most optimized gun available doesn't mean it isn't well-designed. Sometimes using top of the line gear makes no sense whatsoever. These guys are a minor part of a single-planet militia, not shock troops meant to mow down anything that comes their way, up to and including battle armor.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Marwynn on 17 May 2013, 14:55:22
Personally, I'd equip them with a lance and a longbow just like I do for my High Elf Princes on Star Dragons... *cough*

Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 17 May 2013, 14:57:06
Personally, I'd equip them with a lance and a longbow just like I do for my High Elf Princes on Star Dragons... *cough*

...I would use that to hunt Manei Domini.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: False Son on 17 May 2013, 15:04:33
Concur. I'd prefer a full-size platoon for the terrorizing bit, but the stock platoon will work very nicely as a scout or spotter.

...and now I want to see if any rulebook bothered to post an exception to the 'infantry can hide anywhere' rule and see if Branths can hide while hovering in midair.

And then see if they can swarm.

Because I'm a bastard.

I'd actually like them able to split into single troopers for maximum terror!


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Possible. Could be one of the other 3145s, too. Or an XTRO.

Or something else entirely. ^-^

Don't turn around (oh oh oh) der ilClan is in town! (oh oh oh!)


Please correct me if I´m wrong? What are we talking about? Theoretical units or stock units? I´m a bit miffed that the stock branth riders (3085) use elephant guns as their staples, disregarding the rules options, so they´re totally short-selling themselves. I´d really look forward seeing a reverential unit equipped "like they mean it".

And now, to re-rail this, how about ideas to even more strengthen the stealth schtick going on with the cappies? Am I the only one that really likes to see stuff like the C&C Nod Stealth tank?



They could do better, absolutely.  Especially in light of how little a BV or cost investment is needed to go over to say, AX-22s and a support laser.  But, for what they have, the Branth Riders perform their job just fine.  They are far from optimized, but they are hardly the only unit with that claim.  I'm just glad that unlike some of the other infantry units, they actually perform well at something.

As for Tariq riders, I may have misunderstood and mixed them up with the beast riders from HB:MPS that can also take Federated Long Rifles or SRMs.

1: The elephant guns aren't the damage-dealers, the elephant guns are warning shots to announce your presence so the incoming swarm of dragons can properly instill terror. The real damage-dealer is the dragons themselves, what with that 2d6 damage vs infantry.

A thought occured.  The Elephant Gun could also be to execute the Branth if it goes nuts.  Elephant riders used to do the same thing with a sledgehammer and spike, later a high powered gun.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Coldwyn on 17 May 2013, 15:10:16
@Weirdo:

Stop a bit. Let´s agree on a definition what we´re talking about, else this leads in circles.
Do we talk about the TRO 3085 Branth or do we talk about the rules that spawns said branth unit?
I use the later as basis for my arguments. And in my not so humble opinion, a huge dragon carrying some guys with flame-throwers is scarry. A huge dragon getting chewed by my flak isn´t.

@Marwynn:
Since when do DEST troopers have access to branth?

@False Son:

nah, you´re correct, the Tariq rider is pretty bad, with 1 point of TW-style damage.
Und, ich bitte dich, "der" Ilclan?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 17 May 2013, 15:12:44
I'm talking about the as-published 3085 Branth.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Coldwyn on 17 May 2013, 15:19:47
I'm talking about the as-published 3085 Branth.

Then we´re a bit at an impassé here. The RAR are bland, especially considering the built rules for them.
But still, consider vibro-dao wielding death commandos on null sig Branth :P

Edit says: let´s call them nazgûl.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: False Son on 17 May 2013, 15:20:45
@False Son:

nah, you´re correct, the Tariq rider is pretty bad, with 1 point of TW-style damage.
Und, ich bitte dich, "der" Ilclan?

That's what I get for referencing Falco.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Martius on 17 May 2013, 15:26:38
That's what I get for referencing Falco.

... I got it. I rarely get anything but I got that one.  :D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SpaceCowboy1701 on 17 May 2013, 16:13:11
The image that popped into my head involved a branth with some ridiculously huge piece of equipment strapped to its back, like the giant lizards (faambas?) the Gungans put shield generators on in The Phantom Menace. So, something you might find Wile E. Coyote buying from Acme vs something in the Sea Fox Christmas wish book.

Anyone happen to know if there are any Mage Knight or D&D figures that are branth-like?

Branth variants aside, I am hoping to see more infantry entries in the 3145 TROs ... considering the increased role and wide varieties of equipment in use by infantry in the Dark Age era. in fact, would be disappointed if the Fidelis don't make it into a TRO entry, maybe an XTRO with modified Kage armor or something.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: False Son on 17 May 2013, 16:16:39
There certainly is some room.  The Silverhawk Irregulars were noted as using a Gauss type weapon emplacement when ambushing a Lyran task force.  Sounds like a LGR platform to me.  The place where LGRs actually shine.

But Branths will get their day when Andurien-Canopus turns out their Cyber Catgirl Dragon Rider Commandos.  Watch for it.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 17 May 2013, 16:25:46
Well hey, look what was just released... (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,2209.msg681733.html#msg681733)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: I am Belch II on 17 May 2013, 16:30:38
Yes they did how awesome.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 17 May 2013, 16:33:01
FYI, the wrong title is showing on DrivethruRPG. It was fixed immediately, but not sure if it takes a while for edits to propagate...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 17 May 2013, 16:33:30
The image that popped into my head involved a branth with some ridiculously huge piece of equipment strapped to its back, like the giant lizards (faambas?) the Gungans put shield generators on in The Phantom Menace. So, something you might find Wile E. Coyote buying from Acme vs something in the Sea Fox Christmas wish book.

Anyone happen to know if there are any Mage Knight or D&D figures that are branth-like?

Microworld Miniatures has some 'lizard riders' in 6mm that might make for some fun alternate animal riding infantry.. very 'dinorider's' vibe
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/glitterboy2098/para_large_zpse2b30d1b.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/glitterboy2098/raptors_large_zps570d4ded.jpg
(note: these images i'm hosting on my own photobucket account)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Rainbow 6 on 17 May 2013, 16:38:22
Downloading now!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 17 May 2013, 17:17:48
What that guy above me said!

(Edit 1) ...or I would be, if the clowns in IT hadn't blocked freaking Paypal for no reason whatsoever.

(Edit 2) Luckily, I live in the building, so I just ran over to my apartment and paid real quick. Downloaded!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 17 May 2013, 17:22:37
What that guy above me said!

...or I would be, if the clowns in IT hadn't blocked freaking Paypal for no reason whatsoever.

Reave them they are clearly tainted.

I'll wait till tomorrow it'll cheer me up when the hockey goes horribly wrong.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SpaceCowboy1701 on 17 May 2013, 17:45:51
@ Glitterboy -- thanks for posting, those are cool, very nice paint jobs, and the beasts are certainly the right look ... that one even has a Battletech-looking weapon on it. 

Time to go exercise the Paypal account ... 
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 17 May 2013, 18:06:01
Reave them they are clearly tainted.

I'll wait till tomorrow it'll cheer me up when the hockey goes horribly wrong.

Yeah, all my buddies from Detroit are dreading the rest of the series. But, we've got a thread for that already. ;)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Marwynn on 17 May 2013, 18:12:11
Great timing!

Long weekend just started for me!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 17 May 2013, 18:28:44
@ Glitterboy -- thanks for posting, those are cool, very nice paint jobs, and the beasts are certainly the right look ... that one even has a Battletech-looking weapon on it. 

Time to go exercise the Paypal account ...
paintjobs aren't mine.. those are images from the company's sales page. i just hosted them on my image account because the alternative was hotlinking from their site..
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 17 May 2013, 19:29:39
With Liao out, I figure we can take a peek at what's coming next...
(http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/images/Kurita-Cover.jpg)
Art by Rudy Valle, you might recognize his work from No Guts, No Galaxy's Critical Hits.
Can anyone name the three tanks pictured? These usually come in threes...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: caioaf on 17 May 2013, 19:40:18
With Liao out, I figure we can take a peek at what's coming next..
Art by Rudy Valle, you might recognize his work from No Guts, No Galaxy's Critical Hits.
Can anyone name the three tanks pictured? These usually come in threes...
amazing! I can't wait to see how the artists will handle the faction colors for the remaining TROs. Specially the Clan cover
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 17 May 2013, 19:45:11
No offense, but something off with that cover, it looks like we're looking at miniatures or something.

And is it me or does that Dragon have a backpack mounted missile launcher? (Simple enough to build and almost within the rules)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 17 May 2013, 19:47:26
thats a lovely dragon.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Marwynn on 17 May 2013, 19:49:50
Is that a Dragon? The other one's a Rokurokubi with the sword...

As for the (Omni) Tanks, hmm Death? Bad News?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 17 May 2013, 19:50:45
As for the (Omni) Tanks, hmm Death? Bad News?
I'm thinking Society, they used Base-3
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 May 2013, 19:55:21
Are all those the same tank?

Is that really a Dragon?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Marwynn on 17 May 2013, 19:59:53
Are those Hovercraft? Saracen, Scimitar, Saladin?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: bblaney on 17 May 2013, 20:04:16
With Liao out, I figure we can take a peek at what's coming next...
Art by Rudy Valle, you might recognize his work from No Guts, No Galaxy's Critical Hits.
Can anyone name the three tanks pictured? These usually come in threes...

Gotta admit I love the TRO 3145 Liao, but WOW that looks just as impressive, even if it is going to drain my bank account
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nav_Alpha on 17 May 2013, 20:06:54
YES! Glory to his Celestial Wisdom! Downloading now - ill be in my bunk...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 17 May 2013, 20:08:54
Are those Hovercraft? Saracen, Scimitar, Saladin?

That's it.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: False Son on 17 May 2013, 20:12:24
They look like Maxim IIs.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 May 2013, 20:14:37
They are not all the same, even if the general frame looks that way.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Dragon Cat on 17 May 2013, 20:34:50
I being a Nova Cat fan hate the Combine's guts.... that being said that's a nice cover

Of Liao it seems a bit hit or miss to me some of it is ooooooo I like, some is really you went there?

Overall Liao seems to be trying to take the Rim Worlds Republic crown on war crimes with the flamer emphasis...

Picks for me:
Nisos - nice Combat WiGE
Pixiu - awesome tank
Arrow IV Assault Vehicle - nice - like really nice
Behemoth II - the tank no-one wanted... I want it
Gun - beautiful art - strange idea
Calliope - from preview art nice design too wasn't a light gauss or a HVAC
Raven II - very sweet upgrade - what is TSEMP???
Agrotera - one of the prettiest designs in the TRO by a margin
Mortis - finally one of the Undead Lance!!

Downers
Predator - looks like something that belongs in XTRO 1945 - sorry
Zhan - looks like something the A-Team would make out of a bus and some metal plate
Vandal - Omni let down by MWDA art
Lu Wei Bing - a Victor with updated art?  Nice design just looks too Victor-ish especially the head
All the aerospace stuff - nothing jumps out at all
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: RyuWanderfalke on 17 May 2013, 20:45:26
TSEMP is a further development of the Mech Taser.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 May 2013, 20:47:39
Calliope a plasma rifle?

Was it MoC too, or just Cappies?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SpaceCowboy1701 on 17 May 2013, 22:59:52
paintjobs aren't mine.. those are images from the company's sales page. i just hosted them on my image account because the alternative was hotlinking from their site..

My bad. I was a little distracted when I checked them out. Anyway, thanks again for the pics.

Those tanks look like Condors and Scimitars, with modifications for their MWDA configurations. One of the saving graces of having so many TROs will be having so many slick paintings.

Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 17 May 2013, 23:01:22
Calliope a plasma rifle?

Was it MoC too, or just Cappies?

MoC and mercenary interestingly enough.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: YingJanshi on 18 May 2013, 00:05:52
Is it bad that I'm getting nasty ideas for the Shen Long?  >:D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 18 May 2013, 00:09:36
Is it bad that I'm getting nasty ideas for the Shen Long?  >:D

Yes, and you should feel bad for it. >:(
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 18 May 2013, 00:37:50
One problem with the Aerial Beast Infantry (The guys on Branths) is that heavy armor they wear, a bit odd for guys riding around on flying lizards who you assume would want to be as light as possible plus it means they lose a point of MP, meaning they can't hit 7 MP with fast movement for that +3 to-hit modifier (Coupled with their VTOL movement mode and squad deployment that's a total of +5 to-hit)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 18 May 2013, 00:39:06
One problem with the Aerial Beast Infantry (The guys on Branths) is that heavy armor they wear, a bit odd for guys riding around on flying lizards who you assume would want to be as light as possible plus it means they lose a point of MP, meaning they can't hit 7 MP with fast movement for that +3 to-hit modifier (Coupled with their VTOL movement mode and squad deployment that's a total of +5 to-hit)

The other problem is that they're from TR3085, and the third problem is that we're getting pretty close to coming up with new designs here, so probably the debate should more to its own thread.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Istal_Devalis on 18 May 2013, 01:59:47
Is that a Dragon? The other one's a Rokurokubi with the sword...

As for the (Omni) Tanks, hmm Death? Bad News?
I don't think it's a Dragon either, but it'd definitely of Dragon lineage. (Dragon II?)

One of those tanks is a Scimitar Mk2, so I'm guessing the others are Saracen and Saladin Mk2s
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: YingJanshi on 18 May 2013, 02:05:30
Is it just me or does that Dragon-look-a-like seem to be sporting an Arrow IV backpack?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 18 May 2013, 02:14:21
Is it just me or does that Dragon-look-a-like seem to be sporting an Arrow IV backpack?
Don't know about Arrow IV, but diffidently some sort of Backpack mounted missile launcher, and as I pointed out a page or so ago not too hard to make and almost legal
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Alexander Knight on 18 May 2013, 02:17:33
2: Just because something doesn't use the most optimized gun available doesn't mean it isn't well-designed. Sometimes using top of the line gear makes no sense whatsoever. These guys are a minor part of a single-planet militia, not shock troops meant to mow down anything that comes their way, up to and including battle armor.

They're also wearing pith helmets and jodhpurs and speak in very annoying British accents.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 18 May 2013, 03:21:01
Don't know about Arrow IV, but diffidently some sort of Backpack mounted missile launcher, and as I pointed out a page or so ago not too hard to make and almost legal
Thunderbolts?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 18 May 2013, 03:26:51
That's what I'm thinking, Thunderbolt-5's are 3 tons each so you can fit 4 of them and a ton or two of ammo plus some armor in the 15 tons a Dragon could devote to backpack carried weapons if that was legal
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 18 May 2013, 04:19:14
That's what I'm thinking, Thunderbolt-5's are 3 tons each so you can fit 4 of them and a ton or two of ammo plus some armor in the 15 tons a Dragon could devote to backpack carried weapons if that was legal
or it could just be a straight swap of LRM10 for a Thunderbolt system, depicted with multiple tubes for aesthetic reasons, and the missiles are back mounted because it looks different and [insert fluff about optimized for long range firing here].
i suspect that with the many different structural options available by the 3140's, you could fit a thunderbolt-10 on a grand Dragon, no problem..
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: martian on 18 May 2013, 04:56:17

Art by Rudy Valle, you might recognize his work from No Guts, No Galaxy's Critical Hits.

It's a really nice cover art.

You know, I wondered where I have seen such artistic style before - it's very similar to the Daikyu illustration painted by Mike Jackson, wouldn't you say?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Marwynn on 18 May 2013, 15:48:36
So... what colour is the Kuritan dragon crest? My immediate thought was that it was grey for the 2nd Sword of Light possibly making a comeback. Or the 9th I suppose. But it could be Ivory instead of Steel.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Rainbow 6 on 18 May 2013, 15:57:03
Are those Hovercraft? Saracen, Scimitar, Saladin?

Thats what I thought.

So... what colour is the Kuritan dragon crest? My immediate thought was that it was grey for the 2nd Sword of Light possibly making a comeback. Or the 9th I suppose. But it could be Ivory instead of Steel.

Looks like the Ivory Dragon to me.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ArcaneRaven on 18 May 2013, 16:01:06
Ivory, or Steel.

BTW: Love the Kurita Cover!!!  [drool]

Want this as a wallpaper!

Big plus are the Japanese buildings in the background. Guess, this is the first time, we see something like this.  O0
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: martian on 18 May 2013, 16:18:04
So... what colour is the Kuritan dragon crest? My immediate thought was that it was grey for the 2nd Sword of Light possibly making a comeback. Or the 9th I suppose. But it could be Ivory instead of Steel.

Probably the 1st or 2nd Sword of Light. Surely it's no teak, jade or gold.

Of course it may some new/resurged regiment.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 18 May 2013, 17:36:30
or it could just be a straight swap of LRM10 for a Thunderbolt system, depicted with multiple tubes for aesthetic reasons, and the missiles are back mounted because it looks different and [insert fluff about optimized for long range firing here].

This exactly. I see nothing that makes me think of a fancy backpack instead of a normal hard mount. I doubt there'll be anything that differentiates this 'mech's launcher from those on a Mars or Sturmfeur. Not everything that looks cool needs new rules.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: RyuWanderfalke on 18 May 2013, 17:55:37
Given the size of the actual missiles I'd say we might be looking at an Arrow 4 pack.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 18 May 2013, 18:00:05
Given the size of the actual missiles I'd say we might be looking at an Arrow 4 pack.

I can see that. I was thinking 'Mech Mortar myself.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 18 May 2013, 19:27:15
pretty sure Arrow4 is usually presented with even bigger missiles than those..
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 18 May 2013, 20:01:36
pretty sure Arrow4 is usually presented with even bigger missiles than those..
Yes, Arrow 4 has always came across to me as firing a single missile, not several. It could be a Cargo Bay with the bomb bay quirk with like 4 Air-to-Air Arrows in it
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 18 May 2013, 20:37:08
Speaking of the Arrow IV, with the event of the AAV being given stats.  Loading that thing with some Air-Defense Arrows, a lance of them would give those pesky Aerospace Fighters something to think about.  I know other units have Arrows, but something about the AAV is appealing to me for some reason.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 18 May 2013, 20:41:03
pretty sure Arrow4 is usually presented with even bigger missiles than those..
Yes, Arrow 4 has always came across to me as firing a single missile, not several. It could be a Cargo Bay with the bomb bay quirk with like 4 Air-to-Air Arrows in it
Battlemechs cannot use Cargo Bays. and i'm pretty sure the bomb bay quirk wouldn't apply to anything that isn't an Aircraft.

Arrow4 is usually show with missiles much larger than those depicted on that Dragon.. i'm going ot stand my my assumption it is a Thunderbolt launcher, probably a Thunderbolt10, and they used either Endo or some other weight saving structure to swap the LRM10 of a dragon or Grand Dragon in order to mount a Thunderbolt launcher..
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 18 May 2013, 21:04:02
Battlemechs cannot use Cargo Bays. and i'm pretty sure the bomb bay quirk wouldn't apply to anything that isn't an Aircraft.
Actually they can use Cargo Bays, they just can't use Bay Doors and I'm pretty sure the SHD-X2 SHADOW HAWK LAM makes use of the Bomb Bay quirk (It does have internal bomb bays at least

Arrow4 is usually show with missiles much larger than those depicted on that Dragon.. i'm going ot stand my my assumption it is a Thunderbolt launcher, probably a Thunderbolt10, and they used either Endo or some other weight saving structure to swap the LRM10 of a dragon or Grand Dragon in order to mount a Thunderbolt launcher..
Problem is that Thunderbolt launchers fire only a single missile regardless of it's size so it would have to be carrying 4 Thunderbolt launchers
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 18 May 2013, 21:36:42
Bomb bays, as BattleMech equipment, are LAM-only. They're meant specifically to give LAMs the option of a specialized, niche role as fighter-bombers. I then went insane with the concept and gave the Mk I Wasp LAM a five-ton bay just so it could carry nuclear Arrow IV missiles. Unless the rules have changed - they haven't - conventional 'Mechs cannot mount bomb bays, as they'd just be glorified cargo containers and those are already banned.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 18 May 2013, 21:45:08
Unless theres been MORE changes to the Cargo Bay rules 'Mechs can mount cargo bays
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 18 May 2013, 21:49:18
Problem is that Thunderbolt launchers fire only a single missile regardless of it's size so it would have to be carrying 4 Thunderbolt launchers
Arrow4 launchers only fire one at a time, but depict 5 missiletubes in the art.
the atlas has 10 tubes, but mounts an LRM20.
regular AC's sometimes get depicted as gatlings, and rotary's not..

battletech art relies heavily on "what looks good", and doesn't always match up to the stats..
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 18 May 2013, 21:54:31
Unless theres been MORE changes to the Cargo Bay rules 'Mechs can mount cargo bays

Honestly, I have no idea anymore. That's been a back and forth debate since before I was the Errata Monkey, and I'm sure it kept going after I left. But, still, bomb bays are LAM-only. ;)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Ourobourus on 20 May 2013, 18:21:28
Arrow4 launchers only fire one at a time, but depict 5 missiletubes in the art.
the atlas has 10 tubes, but mounts an LRM20.
regular AC's sometimes get depicted as gatlings, and rotary's not..

battletech art relies heavily on "what looks good", and doesn't always match up to the stats..

Indeed, I'd guess this was a torso mounted Tbolt. Possibly a quad mount of Tbolt5's, perhaps a Tbolt10. Alternatively an SRM/4 is always possible.
The art vs stats isn't always an exact match.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 20 May 2013, 18:25:46
Indeed, I'd guess this was a torso mounted Tbolt. Possibly a quad mount of Tbolt5's, perhaps a Tbolt10. Alternatively an SRM/4 is always possible.
The art vs stats isn't always an exact match.
seems a big to just be an SRM.. not gonna say it couldn't be though.
Thunderbolt seems the most likely. a simple endosteel upgrade and you could swap an LRM10 for the T-bolt10 and an extra ton of ammo or armor fairly simply.

i wonder what the gun in the arm is though.. looks a bit big for an AC5, and doesn't really look like a PPC.. maybe instead of a larger XL engine on a regular Dragon, they used an XL to fit a bigger AC?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 20 May 2013, 18:55:48
I'm surprised how little talk there seems to be about the Rokurokubi on the cover art for TRO:3145 DC.

Is there not much interest in the Dark Age "Samurai" 'Mechs, or is everyone waiting to see what their rules will be like first?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Maelwys on 20 May 2013, 19:02:41
Probably waiting to see actual published stats. People have the CapCon TR to look over and debate actual stats and fluff, rather than simply looking at a picture and trying to figure everything out. I'd expect to see more interest if/when additional artwork is released for preview, but for now they probably have other things to talk about.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Ourobourus on 20 May 2013, 19:06:04
Probably waiting to see actual published stats. People have the CapCon TR to look over and debate actual stats and fluff, rather than simply looking at a picture and trying to figure everything out. I'd expect to see more interest if/when additional artwork is released for preview, but for now they probably have other things to talk about.

Ditto. While "Stat this picture" is always a fun exercise, there's a lot of new shiney stuff at the moment :D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: False Son on 21 May 2013, 08:52:36
I'm surprised how little talk there seems to be about the Rokurokubi on the cover art for TRO:3145 DC.

Is there not much interest in the Dark Age "Samurai" 'Mechs, or is everyone waiting to see what their rules will be like first?

Might be residual reluctance leftover from the stated MWDA stats.  For some reason they were really fond of LB5Xs and LRM5s.  I'm fairly sure this will change.  Many subpar MWDA mechs came into BT much better.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Pa Weasley on 21 May 2013, 09:09:56
The good news is that they wont be sticking with those stats. The bad news is all the "Samuri" 'Mechs will have 1/2 movement, MASC, reflective armor, and the ranged armament is nothing but small lasers and machine guns. And all four tons of ammo is in the legs.

*It could always be worse.*  8)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Marwynn on 21 May 2013, 09:20:12
I'm surprised how little talk there seems to be about the Rokurokubi on the cover art for TRO:3145 DC.

Is there not much interest in the Dark Age "Samurai" 'Mechs, or is everyone waiting to see what their rules will be like first?

Consider that it may have an AC2 of some kind an a melee weapon, most Combine fans would probably have tagged it with "I hope to be pleasantly surprised".

That, the cloven-hoofed Shiro, and the Hitutsune Kozo are things I'm going to look at first when we get this TRO.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Istal_Devalis on 21 May 2013, 09:49:48
Keep in mind that when those DA designs were initially statted out that they were missing certain bits of gear that have since ICly become present as in production gear. Also, I suspect many of them were sculpted first, and then they had to figure out a way to make the stats fit. Also also, there's the ever present 'They fit a design niche not always represented fairly by the abstract rules of the board game' explanation.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 22 May 2013, 20:25:08
One thing that I find interesting to note is how, as of 3145, the Inner Sphere has (at least temporarily) found itself with two active theatres of conflict, which are only distantly connected to one another; both spinward and anti-spinward of Terra.

If you consider the "buffer zone" as running through the Rasalhague Dominion down to the Fortress' coreward border with the Vega Protectorate, and extend down past the rimward edge of the Fortress along the currently-quiet frontier between Liao and "Marik" space, you currently have a dividing line of sorts keeping the Falcon/Horse/Wolf/Lyran/FWL/etc and Combine/Suns/Confederation/Raven/other axes somewhat apart from one another.

I find it interesting how these two theatres show such very different dynamics. The "western" (anti-spinward) theatre is rife with instability, with rival Clans (and Clan philosophies) on the move, House Steiner fending off a nightmare of its former Archon's creation, the Free Worlds League trying to hold the thin line connecting its own spinward and anti-spinward halves together, the Regulans still in play as a wild card, the Anduriens trying to leverage its Canopian and Capellan alliances against the potential actions of its "purple" neighbours, the Republic Remnant and the Galatean League each trying to hold back the seemingly inevitable, and even the Marians finally trying to get over the whole Lothian thing.

On the other hand, the "eastern" (spinward) theatre has fewer active participants, but a clearer focus on who is gaining, and who is losing, by this point. The DCMS and CCAF have ripped their respective pounds of flesh out of the Draconis and Capellan Marches, the Snow Ravens have looked to exploit the recent course of events, and both "Taurian" states actually look like they might find a way to get the band back together at long last. (And one detail I found worthy of note on the 3145 map is that, despite the major losses it has suffered, the Federated Suns still seems to be larger in volume than any one of the states over on the anti-spinward side of Terra. A scant consolation for Davion fans, perhaps.)

Of course, everyone is still waiting for the other shoe to drop, and for the ilClan sourcebook to (possibly) bring both sides of the Inner Sphere crashing together; but in the meantime, which theatre of conflict do you find more interesting as of 3145?


EDIT: Well, I suppose technically you could consider the Republic-ComStar "issues" behind the walls of the Fortress to be a third theatre in and of itself; though it remains to be seen just how serious things ended up getting on that front.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 23 May 2013, 00:13:14
With things going as they are now we may never know whether julien or roderick has the squarer jaw.

I would like to see the capellans and draconis combine touch in the northwest part of the suns. Without terra telling each nation to stop somewhere with its neutrality the borders can get really weird. Both sides are exciting. With the dc, cc and fs feeling classical and the other side feeling post 3050
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Marwynn on 24 May 2013, 10:58:35
Ben Rome has released a teaser for the Tenshi in TRO3145DC. (http://benhrome.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/a-dragons-death-angel-with-a-gun/)

The word 'configured' makes me think Omni...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 24 May 2013, 11:03:09
...I'd say the phrase 'the new OmniMech' makes me think Omni... :)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Marwynn on 24 May 2013, 11:03:43
...I'd say the phrase 'the new OmniMech' makes me think Omni... :)

I... /facepalm.

Also, wooohooo.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ArcaneRaven on 24 May 2013, 11:50:44
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Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Rainbow 6 on 24 May 2013, 14:50:21
Now that looks nice.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Cyc on 24 May 2013, 18:32:41
1) Pretty Pretty Art
2) New OmniMech with Pretty Pretty Art
3) Overconfident Bears getting smacked down

I loves
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 24 May 2013, 18:36:32
If the rest of the interior artwork is as good as the Tenshi I may well change my mind about purchasing DC TRO 3145. I'm not hugely interested in the DC beyond Takashi's reign and the cover art wasnt doing anything for me.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 24 May 2013, 18:45:36
1) Pretty Pretty Art
2) New OmniMech with Pretty Pretty Art
3) Overconfident Bears getting smacked down

I loves

I don't know what to say... This sums up my feelings so nicely. I know I'll buy all of the faction TROs but I always look forward to new Kurita stuff; they were the first faction I got into.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Ryumyo on 24 May 2013, 18:52:11
I wanna play with Tenshi, sleek and wicked looking. Seriously.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Deadborder on 24 May 2013, 19:04:14
Verily!

I'm now even more excited for TRO3145:DC then I was before. That's no mean feat.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: FedSunsBorn on 24 May 2013, 19:20:18
Nice! Definitely a sleek and deadly looking mech.

Just like the CC one, the DC TRO looks full of win!

Makes waiting for the Davion one even harder....

Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SteveRestless on 24 May 2013, 19:32:56
Tenshi's an assault. Means Angel. Is Omni.  has bird legs, and a somewhat familiar shape...

I'm starting to wonder if the Tenshi is somehow related to the Archangel. Look at em, side by side.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: caioaf on 24 May 2013, 19:42:00
Quote
So after a few weeks – and a nice helpful assist from Jason when I got hit with an unexpected video project at work – the TRO:3145 Draconis Combine was written, reviewed, edited, and drawn.

so it seems the TRO is almost done... maybe they are waiting to put on sale with FM: 3145? I love conspiracy theories!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 24 May 2013, 19:47:08
Tenshi's an assault. Means Angel. Is Omni.  has bird legs, and a somewhat familiar shape...

I'm starting to wonder if the Tenshi is somehow related to the Archangel. Look at em, side by side.

Maybe, but so?

so it seems the TRO is almost done... maybe they are waiting to put on sale with FM: 3145? I love conspiracy theories!

Probably middle of next month, since that seems to be the pattern.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SteveRestless on 24 May 2013, 20:32:42
Maybe, but so?

Just interesting. be a nice way to see to it that the design gets use beyond the one era.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ScottSR on 24 May 2013, 20:41:55
Tenshi's an assault. Means Angel. Is Omni.  has bird legs, and a somewhat familiar shape...

I'm starting to wonder if the Tenshi is somehow related to the Archangel. Look at em, side by side.


I was thinking more about the Omen personally.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 24 May 2013, 20:52:56
well, it would make sense that the various IS powers would be employing reverse engineered WoB tech and designs. they were very good units..
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 24 May 2013, 22:51:43
Probably middle of next month, since that seems to be the pattern.
Nah. Hmm. It's still Friday where I'm at...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: caioaf on 24 May 2013, 23:11:08
Nah. Hmm. It's still Friday where I'm at...

don't tease us this way... I was going to sleep, not anymore!  [drool] [drool] [drool]

(jk, I am going to sleep. except if there will be new books today. so I'll not sleep)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 24 May 2013, 23:17:47
Define teasing.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 24 May 2013, 23:29:33
Nah. Hmm. It's still Friday where I'm at...

I've got 90 minutes. Make me happy!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 24 May 2013, 23:35:47
Yup. And don't forget, you asked for a shillelagh...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 24 May 2013, 23:37:34
Yup. And don't forget, you asked for a shillelagh...

Is this the part where Jimminy Cricket reminds the audience to be careful what we wish for?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 24 May 2013, 23:37:47
Would it be fair to ask if this coming update will be of Colossal importance, perchance?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 24 May 2013, 23:39:00
Would it be fair to say that this coming update will be of Colossal importance, perchance?

Isn't the next up 3145:DC? Or is the Era Report already ready? I mean, either way I'm buying. Or both ways. I'm easy.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 24 May 2013, 23:41:19
Would it be fair to ask if this coming update will be of Colossal importance, perchance?
Sorry, no. Saving the best for last. Or...at least the biggest.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: caioaf on 24 May 2013, 23:43:12
Isn't the next up 3145:DC? Or is the Era Report already ready? I mean, either way I'm buying. Or both ways. I'm easy.
aren't you thinking of the Field Manual?

@ Adrian Gideon
inspired by "Casa de las estrellas", I'll make my own definition of teasing:

Quote
Tease:
when you make sleepy people don't want to sleep
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 24 May 2013, 23:44:54
Isn't the next up 3145:DC? Or is the Era Report already ready? I mean, either way I'm buying. Or both ways. I'm easy.

I was thinkng more that, even if TRO:3145 RotS was still a ways off, the game mechanics needed to convert the superheavy tripods to Alpha Strikeuse them in BattleTech might be handy to note.

And, of course, an even more "Colossal" event would be upon us, if we are about to finally peer behind the walls of the Fortress at long last...


Edit: TRO:3145 DC just went up on DTRPG!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: caioaf on 24 May 2013, 23:54:40
TRO:3145 DC just went up on DTRPG!

it is up on battleshop too:
http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3161

so Adrian, this is it for today? or I'll have to be awake for some more minutes?
edit: yep, no FM for today. not that I care, I have plenty to read now :D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 25 May 2013, 00:03:53
edit: yep, no FM for today.

I guess the state of The FutureTM will have to wait a bit longer, then.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 25 May 2013, 00:09:46
I am satisfied. (belch)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ArcaneRaven on 25 May 2013, 04:26:56
Makes waiting for the Davion one even harder....

Absolutely! I'm very curious for the other factional TRO!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 25 May 2013, 17:21:03
Wow, TRO: 3145 DC is pretty awesome.  Some of art was kinda hit and miss with me..over-all pretty snazzy.  Deployment/Battle History was great and in formative.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: FedSunsBorn on 25 May 2013, 21:53:42
I must admit that I was leery at first upon hearing about faction specific TRO that weren't experimental tech but I have definitely changed my mind now. One thing I am really liking with the Faction specific TRO's is that everyone seems to be getting the same amount of attention.

Some of the other older TRO's seemed to have tons of designs for certain factions and virtually none for others. Considering how large a lot of those TRO's were I can understand limiting things or just not having enough space or time but I feel like this approach allows each faction some time to shine.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 25 May 2013, 22:39:27
It also feels out the factions ranks and lets them feel alot more seperate. I'm enjoying DC mechs being DC mechs and CC mechs being CC mechs.

I love old 4th succession war mechs but most of the designs were proliferated.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 26 May 2013, 00:38:53
It occurred to me that the PDFs themselves seem to be somewhat divided into two major groups, in terms of their respective orders of publication; ones which echo the major theatres of conflict in the Inner Sphere as of 3145.

With the Liao(-Centrella) and Kurita files set to be followed by the Davions, the three most active protagnists/antagonists (depending on one's point of view) are all listed one after another in the release schedule. And once they are done, the focus will shift to anti-spinward; with the Marik, Steiner, and Clan (to include that other Steiner) files rolling out before the spotlight doubles back towards the Republic of the Sphere itself.

It will be interesting, once the Federated Suns get their file out, to see the discussions started in Bonfire (and which seem to have been somewhat eclipsed by talk about the spinward side of the Sphere ever since ER:3145 went up) emerge a little more prominently, perhaps.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 26 May 2013, 01:31:00
I really want a clan sea fox pretty new fighter. Like the ones that look like the celestial series fighters. they're so pretty. =\
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Aldous on 26 May 2013, 02:25:04
It occurred to me that the PDFs themselves seem to be somewhat divided into two major groups, in terms of their respective orders of publication; ones which echo the major theatres of conflict in the Inner Sphere as of 3145.

With the Liao(-Centrella) and Kurita files set to be followed by the Davions, the three most active protagnists/antagonists (depending on one's point of view) are all listed one after another in the release schedule. And once they are done, the focus will shift to anti-spinward; with the Marik, Steiner, and Clan (to include that other Steiner) files rolling out before the spotlight doubles back towards the Republic of the Sphere itself.

It will be interesting, once the Federated Suns get their file out, to see the discussions started in Bonfire (and which seem to have been somewhat eclipsed by talk about the spinward side of the Sphere ever since ER:3145 went up) emerge a little more prominently, perhaps.

Not really strange. The Davion vs. Liao and Davion vs. Kurita battles are pretty simple affairs compared to the free-for-all in Steiner/Marik space. You can write up the background stories pretty quick and not worry about conflict.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 02 June 2013, 11:49:28
have there been any print copies of Era Report: 3145 seen out "in the wild" as of yet?


Also, while there are some TRO:3145 files which have certain 'Mechs or other units to look out for (such as the Warwolf and Shrike in the Clan file, or the Colossi for the Republic of the Sphere), there are a couple of faction-specific books that I have less of an idea of what to expect for. Specifically, I'm not too familiar with what will show up over on the antispinward side of the Inner Sphere, technology-wise.

Are there any particular units from MW:DA/AoD which people are looking forward to seeing in the TRO:3145 volumes for the Free Worlds League or the Lyran Commonwealth?

And if the Exiles are a good bet to go in the Steiner file (which seems like a reasonable assumption, given the presence of "associated realm" 'Mechs in the first three PDFs), did they have any particular units built on Arc-Royal that might be worth looking out for?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Davion_Boy_74 on 02 June 2013, 11:52:11
I've seen dtf copies of ER:3145 in two places over here in the UK, so it's ''out in the wild''.

Dave.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: martian on 02 June 2013, 12:12:44
Are there any particular units from MW:DA/AoD which people are looking forward to seeing in the TRO:3145 volumes for the Free Worlds League or the Lyran Commonwealth?

TRO:3145/Marik - Neanderthal, (Scourge?), (Ursa?), Jackalope, Violator, R10 MICV, Paladin, Leonidas, Ogre, Xiphos
- my guess is that the Scourge might be a Republic design, while the Ursa was designed by some IS Clan - but I won't be upset if those two 'Mechs will eventually show up as the FWL designs  :)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: YingJanshi on 02 June 2013, 13:07:10
So how many of the designs from the last three TROs have been from the clicky-tech and how many are brand new?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Peacemaker on 02 June 2013, 13:36:59
So how many of the designs from the last three TROs have been from the clicky-tech and how many are brand new?

By my count, we have thirty-seven "clickytech" designs and thirty-eight new ones. I guess TPTB want to have a 50/50 ratio between the new and the old. It's worth noting that a sizable portion of the new designs are unit types that were never featured in the MechWarrior: Dark Age game, like fighters and ProtoMechs. Most of the tanks and BattleMechs were originally WizKids designs.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Deadborder on 02 June 2013, 19:13:23
Two of the Battle Armours, the Spectre and the Kishi, are based on unused MWDA concepts by Brett Evans

I suspect that TRO:3145 Steiner will have the DI Schmitt, the Kelswa MBT, the the Storm Raider and the MWDA-styled King Crab. There's also the Chucahalian battle armour which I suspect will be a Kell Hound or WiE design (Or both). Also, much like the Cats in TRO Kurita, I suspect Steiner will have WiE units.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 02 June 2013, 20:08:56
By my count, we have thirty-seven "clickytech" designs and thirty-eight new ones. I guess TPTB want to have a 50/50 ratio between the new and the old. It's worth noting that a sizable portion of the new designs are unit types that were never featured in the MechWarrior: Dark Age game, like fighters and ProtoMechs. Most of the tanks and BattleMechs were originally WizKids designs.
While ProtoMechs first came out in TRO:3060 ('97) they weren't heard from again until Combat Equipment in '05, so it's not hard to see why they weren't included. Fighters would have likely only made the rules worse and would you want to open a booster pack to find that all you got was a DropShip?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Deadborder on 02 June 2013, 20:18:41
Protos weren't used for mechnical reasons; from what I heard, the designers couldn't figure out what to do with them, and didn't want to add another unit type to the game
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Peacemaker on 02 June 2013, 21:25:57
While ProtoMechs first came out in TRO:3060 ('97) they weren't heard from again until Combat Equipment in '05, so it's not hard to see why they weren't included. Fighters would have likely only made the rules worse and would you want to open a booster pack to find that all you got was a DropShip?

I really don't care about any of that. I just wanted to point out how Aerospace and conventional fighters, ProtoMechs, DropShips and small craft affect the balance between new and old units in the 3145 Technical Readouts.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 02 June 2013, 22:14:13
Scourge is likely a FWL design, it is on their RATs and only their RATs I think.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Decoy on 02 June 2013, 22:56:22
Well, the Exhumer was on the FedSuns RAT and not the DC's so....don't trust it too much.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SpaceCowboy1701 on 02 June 2013, 23:07:13
The King Crab is a Cosara product (I think) from Northwind, so that should be RotS, unless most were exported, I suppose. I like the MWDA sculpt of that one and was sorry not to see one given to the Highlanders ... but then, they didn't get a Targe in their colors, either ... I think the designs I want to see most are the Kelswa, Malice, and the Jackalope.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Peacemaker on 02 June 2013, 23:16:52
The Scourge is tricky because WizKids released it in Capellan Confederation, Rasalhague Dominion, Draconis Combine, Clan Nova Cat, Republic of the Sphere and mercenary colors. Too make matters even more confusing, the company that built it is called "Kaiser Systems" and it's armed with an Eisen Gauss Rifle, which would seem to indicate that it's built by Lyrans. And of course there's the fact that it's only on the Free World's League RATs. At least we can eliminate it being Capellan, Draconian or Nova Cat.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 03 June 2013, 00:05:33
Jackalopes will be fun because of their fluff about being able to fit several of them in a single mech bay on a dropship.
as a clantech unit though it will be interesting to see who actually developed it. the production sites listed seemed to be IS.. but they might be seafox affiliates or something.
according to its fluff (http://web.archive.org/web/20080604153046/http://www.wizkidsgames.com/mechwarrior/linknet/default.asp?a=40614) it's a Fast Jumper with Ferro, Endo, 2xcERML, an ATM6, and AMS.. plus some kind of electronic warfare suite.

Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 03 June 2013, 01:00:26
While ProtoMechs first came out in TRO:3060 ('97) they weren't heard from again until Combat Equipment in '05, so it's not hard to see why they weren't included. Fighters would have likely only made the rules worse and would you want to open a booster pack to find that all you got was a DropShip?

If Wizkids had done that to a booster I bought, they would still have full ownership of every penny I own even today. They'd probably also have a contract giving them ownership of my firstborn, and possibly my continued services as a mob-style enforcer*.

*At least, I'd give it a shot for a chance at stuff like that.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 03 June 2013, 02:24:32
Considering the size of the Aurora it would require a bit of technical engineering to put Dropships in booster packs . . . you know, something like a pocket universe.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: RyuWanderfalke on 03 June 2013, 04:00:15
The Scourge is tricky because WizKids released it in Capellan Confederation, Rasalhague Dominion, Draconis Combine, Clan Nova Cat, Republic of the Sphere and mercenary colors. Too make matters even more confusing, the company that built it is called "Kaiser Systems" and it's armed with an Eisen Gauss Rifle, which would seem to indicate that it's built by Lyrans. And of course there's the fact that it's only on the Free World's League RATs. At least we can eliminate it being Capellan, Draconian or Nova Cat.

Yeah, also the mech looks like a bloated Hollander, which would also hint at the Lyrans.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Pa Weasley on 03 June 2013, 07:00:43
Considering the size of the Aurora it would require a bit of technical engineering to put Dropships in booster packs . . . you know, something like a pocket universe.
And if they had developed that WizKids would have a lot more than just Weirdo's pennies.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 03 June 2013, 07:17:58
Yeah, also the mech looks like a bloated Hollander, which would also hint at the Lyrans.

Which was an anorexic Hunchback . . . and of course they are the only two mechs with BFG riding on their shoulders.

As has been discussed before, stat-wise its a little bit better Jinggau- which was Cappie and another suggestion for the Leaguers.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Rainbow 6 on 03 June 2013, 14:01:00
The King Crab is a Cosara product (I think) from Northwind, so that should be RotS, unless most were exported, I suppose. I like the MWDA sculpt of that one and was sorry not to see one given to the Highlanders ... but then, they didn't get a Targe in their colors, either ... I think the designs I want to see most are the Kelswa, Malice, and the Jackalope.

StarCorps has/had? a factory building the King Crab in the LyrCom as well.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 04 June 2013, 22:12:20
Coming Attractions is advertising TRO:3145 Free Worlds League.  Nice Cover, Stalker no less on the cover.  I wasn't able make out what other design was in background..
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SpaceCowboy1701 on 05 June 2013, 11:36:40
If Wizkids had done that to a booster I bought, they would still have full ownership of every penny I own even today. They'd probably also have a contract giving them ownership of my firstborn, and possibly my continued services as a mob-style enforcer*.

*At least, I'd give it a shot for a chance at stuff like that.

Actually, the Falcon's Prey expansion featured chances to win an Aurora if you got the "golden ticket." I never heard if anyone got one that way. I picked mine up by entering a "kill and keep" tournament ... while everyone went for the LE 'mechs, I sent my force after the dropship they were coming out of ... 

Aerospace fighters (even conventional fighters) would have made AoD more interesting, if they could have pulled it off. I've really liked most of the aerospace fighters that have come out so far for 3145 ... almost ready to go get some old copies of Battlespace and Aerotech 2 ,,,
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 05 June 2013, 11:39:32
Aerospace fighters (even conventional fighters) would have made AoD more interesting, if they could have pulled it off. I've really liked most of the aerospace fighters that have come out so far for 3145 ... almost ready to go get some old copies of Battlespace and Aerotech 2 ,,,

Total War already has everything you need to run fighters. If you want a few extra rules goodies, all you need after that is StratOps. O0
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: MadCapellan on 05 June 2013, 11:47:48
Total War already has everything you need to run fighters. If you want a few extra rules goodies, all you need after that is StratOps. O0

Actually, I'm going to recommend just going to get StratOps now.  If all you want is atmospheric fighter combat in support of ground units, the Abstract Aerospace rules in StratOps are the best way to do it.  If you want actual space combat, you're better off in the opinion of most aero-affectionados with the vector movement rules, also found in StratOps.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SpaceCowboy1701 on 05 June 2013, 22:53:53
Total War already has everything you need to run fighters. If you want a few extra rules goodies, all you need after that is StratOps. O0

Thanks, I'll probably be headed in the direction of StratOps  ... I love me some space combat, anyway ... and it's one thing I wish we had more of in the 3145 era, but hey ... the Star League and upcoming Succession Wars material should fill that void.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SpaceCowboy1701 on 05 June 2013, 23:25:15
Actually, I'm going to recommend just going to get StratOps now.  If all you want is atmospheric fighter combat in support of ground units, the Abstract Aerospace rules in StratOps are the best way to do it.  If you want actual space combat, you're better off in the opinion of most aero-affectionados with the vector movement rules, also found in StratOps.

Time to start saving pennies. Looking like this is going to be the year of the great Battletech buy-in for me. Having seen some of the old rules many moons ago, I am curious to see what is new / tweaked. To keep from hijacking the thread ... does it seem like we are expecting many new aerospace rules, like we are with the ground forces? Maybe some aerospace RISC hardware?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 08 June 2013, 21:15:54
I've seen some talk on how the new Confederation and Combine units line up with those shown for the Federated Suns as of 3145; but from an on-table perspective, how well (or badly) do the new DCMS and CCAF toys work against each other?

Given how close the two realms are to one another by this point in time, there seems to be ample scope for an "incident" or two between local forces in the region, even if neither government was (yet) ready to go for a re-run of the kind of Liao/Kurita battles which may be supported once Historical: Early Succession Wars comes out.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 08 June 2013, 21:37:38
I've created a couple of scenarios to show off units from all three of those TROs against each other. One's in the FedSuns TRO thread somewhere, while the other is in its own thread in Ground Combat. Try them out, and see exactly how they fare against each other. O0
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 08 June 2013, 22:44:34
Well, the problem there is that I haven't been able to go for any of the TRO:3145 PDFs as of yet; and even if I had, I don't have a local gaming group with which to try them (or their would-be conversions to QS) out.

My BT collection has been focused more on the background side of things, as opposed to the gaming part, up to this point.

So, I was hoping to get some feedback from those in a better position to speak with some authority on how these unit types might fare against one another.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Aldous on 08 June 2013, 23:14:42
The DCMS will probably win against the CCAF. Hardened Armor and extreme speed will win against Stealth Armor.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 09 June 2013, 12:32:34
The DCMS will probably win against the CCAF. Hardened Armor and extreme speed will win against Stealth Armor.
Maybe, those WizKids DC exclusive Samuari Armor style Mechs were bit undergunned despite their toughness.   Sheer strength of DC will properly enough punch hole through FS meet with CC.  By then they'd properly had amassed enough strength in the militaries to do something to one another.  However, CC has some good and sneaky designs. 

That if FS goes south, we'll get slightly less likeable factions be playing for.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 09 June 2013, 14:28:08
Hmm . . . Julian is single, disliked Caleb.  Danai is single, hated Caleb . . .

Confederated Suns?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 09 June 2013, 14:32:11
Hmm . . . Julian is single, disliked Caleb.  Danai is single, hated Caleb . . .

Confederated Suns?

I've wondered that myself. I've also wondered if Danai would kill Julian in lieu of Caleb.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 09 June 2013, 14:38:39
Hmm . . . Julian is single, disliked Caleb.  Danai is single, hated Caleb . . .

Confederated Suns?

Might be a bit of a stretch.
Maybe Yori Kurita will decide she needs a new Gunji-No-Kanrei and interview Julian for the pos?  :o
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 09 June 2013, 14:41:56
Hmm . . . Julian is single, disliked Caleb.  Danai is single, hated Caleb . . .

Confederated Suns?

Hmm, unlikely.  Though it would be one heck of a shake-up.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 09 June 2013, 14:43:01
Might be a bit of a stretch.
Maybe Yori Kurita will decide she needs a new Gunji-No-Kanrei and interview Julian for the pos?  :o

The hilarity that would ensue!  :D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 09 June 2013, 14:47:50
Actually, Julian should be really hot property dynastically.

Cappies/Canopians-  Heir is female (Danai), unattached.

Dracs- Ruler is female (Yori), unattached.

Lyrans-  Ruler is female (Trillian), unattached though distantly related- but distant enough for nobility rules.

FWL-  Ruler is female (Jessika), heir is female (Nikol) and unattached.

Girl Power?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 09 June 2013, 14:48:46
The hilarity that would ensue!  :D

I still don't think that's a word.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 09 June 2013, 14:52:58
I still don't think that's a word.

Methinks there's a joke here but I'm too dimwitted to get it.  :-[
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adridos on 09 June 2013, 15:00:38
Hmm . . . Julian is single, disliked Caleb.  Danai is single, hated Caleb . . .

Confederated Suns?

Hardly possible... it's more likely they'd form a federation, instead.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 09 June 2013, 15:11:28
What would happen if Julian didn't make it? I'd like to think that the Federated Suns would show that it can stand without him; it'd be great to see the FS take on all comers and win without a Davion at the helm.

At this point what's keeping the FS from hiring mercs to hold one border whilst the AFFC kicks another enemy's teeth in?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 09 June 2013, 15:16:29
Lack of mercs that can hold a border?  Cost?  Lack of replacement equipment for anyone?
Bluntly, the way I read it, they are logistically in shambles.

Btw, if a 'Davion' was not at the helm it would merely mean Erik Groethe-Sandoval was running the show as the Champion.  Which could make things interesting if he stabilizes the situation before Julian shows up.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Jellico on 09 June 2013, 15:18:51
Actually, Julian should be really hot property dynastically.

Cappies/Canopians-  Heir is female (Danai), unattached.

Dracs- Ruler is female (Yori), unattached.

Lyrans-  Ruler is female (Trillian), unattached though distantly related- but distant enough for nobility rules.

FWL-  Ruler is female (Jessika), heir is female (Nikol) and unattached.

Girl Power?

"Precentor Martial" of Clan Sea Fox. AT&T has competition these days.  :P
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: FedSunsBorn on 09 June 2013, 15:20:13
Mercs holding one whole border only works when you are the Dragoons  ;)...and with the Kell Hounds barely reformed and off hunting rabid Falcons, I can't see any other elite merc unit being able to help the AFFS out a bit. Heck, I can't think of any elite mercs with any other realm in 3145....not saying they are not out there just that I don't remember any mention of such elite units from my sometimes fuzzy memory.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 09 June 2013, 15:30:12
Mercs holding one whole border only works when you are the Dragoons  ;)...and with the Kell Hounds barely reformed and off hunting rabid Falcons, I can't see any other elite merc unit being able to help the AFFS out a bit. Heck, I can't think of any elite mercs with any other realm in 3145....not saying they are not out there just that I don't remember any mention of such elite units from my sometimes fuzzy memory.

Do we have any info on who the 21st Centauri Lancers are working for? I'd love to see them tangle with the Dragoons  >:D

However, I can't think of any others that could make it over there either; what with the Rough Riders in the Galatean League.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 09 June 2013, 15:40:00
Actually, Julian should be really hot property dynastically.

Cappies/Canopians-  Heir is female (Danai), unattached.

Dracs- Ruler is female (Yori), unattached.

Lyrans-  Ruler is female (Trillian), unattached though distantly related- but distant enough for nobility rules.

FWL-  Ruler is female (Jessika), heir is female (Nikol) and unattached.

Girl Power?

Good points all, but

Trillian - been their done that a few generations back didn't work out so well. The commonwealth isnt in a position to help anyone at the moment. And I can't see Callandre Kell settling for being Julian's mistress.

Yori  - interesting option but probably less likely to work out than Victor and Omi IMHO. Not sure how this could work with the Gunji-no-Kanrei pulling Yori's strings unless this is her big turn the tables moment. The dragon retains the Draconis March and releases their mercs to Fedsuns command for use against the capcon. Just can't help the feeling that the DCMS senior echelons have got the "we can always find another Kurita" bug.

Danai - another interesting option at least as unlikely as Yori IMHO. Though maybe as joint Sovereigns of separate but allied nations with the capcon keeping the Cappellan March it could work.

Nikol - now here is one that I could see working the fly in the ointment being the CapCon although Nikol and Danai were great friends and the CapCon could perhaps be bought off with Andurien and/or the Capellan March?

Antoinette  Labov - solidifies the alliance between the Fox and the Foxes.

Sterling McKenna - what's one more Davion to her and Ortillery is always nice.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: FedSunsBorn on 09 June 2013, 15:47:19
Do we have any info on who the 21st Centauri Lancers are working for? I'd love to see them tangle with the Dragoons  >:D

However, I can't think of any others that could make it over there either; what with the Rough Riders in the Galatean League.

I like the idea of the 21st Centauri Lancers, always respected them throughout Btech.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 09 June 2013, 16:52:56
Mercs holding one whole border only works when you are the Dragoons  ;)...and with the Kell Hounds barely reformed and off hunting rabid Falcons, I can't see any other elite merc unit being able to help the AFFS out a bit. Heck, I can't think of any elite mercs with any other realm in 3145....not saying they are not out there just that I don't remember any mention of such elite units from my sometimes fuzzy memory.

Yeah, the Pax Republica period between 3085 and Grey Monday was probably as bad for the Mercenary industry as the Star League's Golden Era.  Now that things are heating up, it's more a story of startup, 'Bad News Bears' merc companies rather than centuries old elites that are descended from SLDF formations.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Neufeld on 09 June 2013, 18:19:27
Good points all, but

Trillian - been their done that a few generations back didn't work out so well. The commonwealth isnt in a position to help anyone at the moment. And I can't see Callandre Kell settling for being Julian's mistress.

Yori  - interesting option but probably less likely to work out than Victor and Omi IMHO. Not sure how this could work with the Gunji-no-Kanrei pulling Yori's strings unless this is her big turn the tables moment. The dragon retains the Draconis March and releases their mercs to Fedsuns command for use against the capcon. Just can't help the feeling that the DCMS senior echelons have got the "we can always find another Kurita" bug.

Danai - another interesting option at least as unlikely as Yori IMHO. Though maybe as joint Sovereigns of separate but allied nations with the capcon keeping the Cappellan March it could work.

Nikol - now here is one that I could see working the fly in the ointment being the CapCon although Nikol and Danai were great friends and the CapCon could perhaps be bought off with Andurien and/or the Capellan March?

Antoinette  Labov - solidifies the alliance between the Fox and the Foxes.

Sterling McKenna - what's one more Davion to her and Ortillery is always nice.

You forgot to mention Dalia Bekker and Malvina Hazen.   :D :P

Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 09 June 2013, 18:49:05
You forgot to mention Dalia Bekker and Malvina Hazen.   :D :P

I actually had Malvina in then deleted her as being too whacky to consider. I was going to suggest that she might make a useful ally for the suns as IMHO she is the only faction leader in 3145 that the other faction leaders are genuinely afraid of as opposed to wary/cautious of.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Aldous on 09 June 2013, 20:11:43
I actually had Malvina in then deleted her as being too whacky to consider. I was going to suggest that she might make a useful ally for the suns as IMHO she is the only faction leader in 3145 that the other faction leaders are genuinely afraid of as opposed to wary/cautious of.

I think Cynthy would be perfect for him.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 09 June 2013, 21:53:50
Hmm . . . Julian is single, disliked Caleb.  Danai is single, hated Caleb . . .

Confederated Suns?
Actually Lady Sandra Fenlon was slated as his fiancee by Capellan March Lord Amanda Haesk (See Sword of Sedition p.9-10).

When he went into exile, Amanda took her ward with her feeling Julian wasn't up to snuff now he wasn't in the running for anything at the time..
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Aldous on 09 June 2013, 22:25:44
Actually Lady Sandra Fenlon was slated as his fiancee by Capellan March Lord Amanda Haesk (See Sword of Sedition p.9-10).

When he went into exile, Amanda took her ward with her feeling Julian wasn't up to snuff now he wasn't in the running for anything at the time..

Seems Amanda's got a big head. Somebody should cut it off for her.

Har har har!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Banzai on 10 June 2013, 02:43:42
Hmm . . . Julian is single, disliked Caleb.  Danai is single, hated Caleb . . .

Confederated Suns?

 "My dear... I give you the Capellan March."
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 10 June 2013, 04:37:21
"My dear... I give you the Capellan March."

No.

"My dear, I give you the Republic of the Sphere."
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: StCptMara on 10 June 2013, 05:31:15
One thing I really like about the era is that, ultimately, all the Great Houses are in a precarious position.
Marik is just reformed and on shaky ground, existing pretty much only because the Wolves are letting them
Liao is at risk of being dangerously over-extended. They have never held this much territory before, and one
   goof can cause a death spiral.
Kurita...well, frankly, considering the need to have a Kurita on the Throne, and Yori not having an heir..all she
   needs to do is, say, decide to stand up the Kanrei at the wrong moment... Also, with the Ravens taking
   worlds, and the Bears restless on their border...
Steiner is alive pretty much because Alaric out-politiced Malvina, and Malvina hasn't gotten done reasserting
    her dominance yet to finish off the Steiners.
Davion is pretty much one big push from either(or both!) Liao and Kurita from being rolled.

Frankly? This is very interesting times.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 10 June 2013, 07:41:28
No.

"My dear, I give you the Republic of the Sphere."

No.

My dear, I give you the Capellan Federation!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: YingJanshi on 10 June 2013, 14:03:44
One thing I really like about the era is that, ultimately, all the Great Houses are in a precarious position.
Marik is just reformed and on shaky ground, existing pretty much only because the Wolves are letting them
Liao is at risk of being dangerously over-extended. They have never held this much territory before, and one
   goof can cause a death spiral.
Kurita...well, frankly, considering the need to have a Kurita on the Throne, and Yori not having an heir..all she
   needs to do is, say, decide to stand up the Kanrei at the wrong moment... Also, with the Ravens taking
   worlds, and the Bears restless on their border...
Steiner is alive pretty much because Alaric out-politiced Malvina, and Malvina hasn't gotten done reasserting
    her dominance yet to finish off the Steiners.
Davion is pretty much one big push from either(or both!) Liao and Kurita from being rolled.

Frankly? This is very interesting times.

Totally agree with you. This is much more interesting than anything we've seen in a while. (Just one little quibble though: during the SL the CC was relatively huge. Check out the 2571 map in Handbook: House Liao (p. 25).)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Marwynn on 10 June 2013, 14:30:56
No.

My dear, I give you the Capellan Federation!
Wait, I have it!

The Federated Confederation.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 10 June 2013, 14:44:34
Wait, I have it!

The Federated Confederation.

We have a winner!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Banzai on 11 June 2013, 00:38:56
Wait, I have it!

The Federated Confederation.

The FedConfed.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 11 June 2013, 00:41:00
Put the new capital in the Outback. Call it the CornfedConfed. :)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Banzai on 11 June 2013, 01:19:10
And then back to the Capellan March: The RetredCornfedConfed
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrayth on 11 June 2013, 01:35:58
Antoinette  Labov - solidifies the alliance between the Fox and the Foxes.
So what you're saying is that any female heirs would be twice as...foxxy?  Sign me up.

(Wait for it...)

Giggity.

(You know you were thinking it.)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Istal_Devalis on 11 June 2013, 09:00:14
The Fidelis will join up to the Clan Protectorate, and then all shall fall before the Feline Worlds League.  ;D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 11 June 2013, 12:31:57
So what you're saying is that any female heirs would be twice as...foxxy?  Sign me up.

(Wait for it...)

Giggity.

(You know you were thinking it.)

And someone takes the bait! O0
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 11 June 2013, 12:33:49
The Fidelis will join up to the Clan Protectorate, and then all shall fall before the Feline Worlds League.  ;D

The only way the Fidelis will be visiting the clan protectorate is to put a line through one of the big ones in their book of grudges.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Molossian Dog IIC on 11 June 2013, 12:39:51
I bet the Jaguar database of grudges grew and grew until it busted hyperspace.

(What? No worse theory than "Wobbies did it"
Btw if it was really the Fidelis causing the Blackout I´m calling dibs on "I told you so.")
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: YingJanshi on 11 June 2013, 17:44:15
I bet the Jaguar database of grudges grew and grew until it busted hyperspace.

(What? No worse theory than "Wobbies did it"
Btw if it was really the Fidelis causing the Blackout I´m calling dibs on "I told you so.")


So that's what caused the blackout!!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 21 June 2013, 03:02:21
By this point the IS is supposed to be catching up to the Clans so why aren't we seeing any IS ProtoMechs? BA took hardly any time to copy
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Aldous on 21 June 2013, 03:09:07
By this point the IS is supposed to be catching up to the Clans so why aren't we seeing any IS ProtoMechs? BA took hardly any time to copy

 :D You do know you need surgically altered humans who take drugs to pilot ProtoMechs, right?  :D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 21 June 2013, 03:16:05
:D You do know you need surgically altered humans who take drugs to pilot ProtoMechs, right?  :D
no.. just cyber implants. either special EI implants or possibly VDNI.. needless to say that after the Manei Domini, neither are going to be very popular in the IS.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 21 June 2013, 03:20:13
Canpous, gives them another product to sell
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 21 June 2013, 03:22:44
By this point the IS is supposed to be catching up to the Clans so why aren't we seeing any IS ProtoMechs? BA took hardly any time to copy

Two words: Manei Domini. Plus, limited utility for great expense. ProtoMechs were an invention born of necessity; Clan Smoke Jaguar was running out of easily-tapped resources. One thing the Inner Sphere does not lack for are natural resources. Even among the Clans, only the Hell's Horses and Raven Alliance still use the things in numbers great enough to allow for a RAT, and both are eccentric (to the say the least) compared to the other Clans.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 21 June 2013, 03:28:17
TechManual has a short story discussing the feasibility of inner sphere ProtoMechs, or lack thereof
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 21 June 2013, 03:33:07
One of the features of said story is how they can't match the Clan tech base to produce them, that problem appears to be a thing of the past at this point
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 21 June 2013, 03:42:13
One of the features of said story is how they can't match the Clan tech base to produce them, that problem appears to be a thing of the past at this point

Yes, that was one of the issues. All of the others are still unresolved.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Lazarus Jaguar on 21 June 2013, 06:38:06
:D You do know you need surgically altered humans who take drugs to pilot ProtoMechs, right?  :D

So we need a recruitment drive around Hollywood and Beverly Hills?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Deadborder on 21 June 2013, 08:17:15
More to the point, it requires pilots who have been cybernetically altered with dangerous technology that will inevitably destroy their psyche and devour their sanity - that is, if it doesn't feed back and leave them brain-dead along the way.

And because prior Inner Sphere experiences with such tech worked out so well too
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Istal_Devalis on 21 June 2013, 08:19:02
"Oh hey, we need pilots of a certain size willing to take augmentation surgery that will let them pilot a special unit. And this will result in you going insane in about 5-6 years, have you addicted to drugs, and cause a host of other psychological issues. Who wants to volunteer first?"

Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Marwynn on 21 June 2013, 09:24:38
Like that story in the Tech Manual says, the children really are our future (of warfare).

It got real Shadowrun-y with that story. Loved it.

Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Atlas3060 on 21 June 2013, 10:01:34
You forgot to mention Dalia Bekker and Malvina Hazen.   :D :P
Bekker would be way too conservative for him. Though it would be funny!
"My wife I give you the...did you just take the Draconis Combine before I finished my speech?"
*nervous look* "No?"
*Sigh* "Well at least hand over my Drac March!"

Malvina would demand blood sacrifices and be so wacky Julian would exhume Kali Liao because it is safer!  ;D


Put the new capital in the Outback. Call it the CornfedConfed. :)
Hmmm Capellans and Davions claiming Terra and thus creating the Terran Confederation of Suns.
We could have Wing Commander...with robots!  8)


"Oh hey, we need pilots of a certain size willing to take augmentation surgery that will let them pilot a special unit. And this will result in you going insane in about 5-6 years, have you addicted to drugs, and cause a host of other psychological issues. Who wants to volunteer first?"
Child Celebrities. A space version of Lindsay Lohan trying rehab while attached to a Roc Proto is making me giggle though.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 21 June 2013, 10:03:40
Either one would make for a great sitcom. ;D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Baldur Mekorig on 21 June 2013, 11:40:41
Child Celebrities. A space version of Lindsay Lohan trying rehab while attached to a Roc Proto is making me giggle though.

 Thanks! I almost spilled my coffe!  ;D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Coldwyn on 21 June 2013, 11:46:46
Thsi whole IS protomech thing makes me think abut the Manei Minime.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Maingunnery on 21 June 2013, 12:27:31

Size problem could be solved if one uses people that have lost their limbs, but those would be even less willing to leave the cockpit.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Banzai on 21 June 2013, 13:13:09
I am flashing on the Robocop 2 prototype from, wait for it...Robocop 2.  Just a brain and spine in a jar, hooked on drugs for control. 
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Alexander Knight on 21 June 2013, 14:37:49
I am flashing on the Robocop 2 prototype from, wait for it...Robocop 2.  Just a brain and spine in a jar, hooked on drugs for control.

Yeah, because that worked so well.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 21 June 2013, 18:46:44
Well Battletech is the future of the 80's
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 21 June 2013, 19:19:34
Well Battletech is the future of the 80's

Robocop 2 was 1990.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 21 June 2013, 19:25:06
Which is still part of the 80's, technically the 80's where from 1981 to 1990 inclusive
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 21 June 2013, 19:51:36
Which is still part of the 80's, technically the 80's where from 1981 to 1990 inclusive

That makes no sense.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 21 June 2013, 19:54:36
And how completely off topic are we here?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: caioaf on 21 June 2013, 19:57:03
That makes no sense.

of course it does. every decade starts at X1 and ends at X0
there was no "year zero"
the first decade started at year 1 and ended at year 10. what doesn't make sense is "the first decade had only 9 years" to justify decades starting at X0 and ending at X9

and sorry for the off-off-topic
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: trboturtle on 21 June 2013, 21:04:14
And how completely off topic are we here?

*Hands Jaim Magnus a map and compass.*

Craig
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 21 June 2013, 21:23:18
Leading to topic,  so does it look like the Republic content is going be in the printed only book?   Its been kinda confusing with going back and forth on it.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 21 June 2013, 21:27:58
Leading to topic,  so does it look like the Republic content is going be in the printed only book?   Its been kinda confusing with going back and forth on it.
apparently they haven't decided yet. it may only show up in the 'full' TRO3145 that compiles all the mini-TRO's we've en getting. they have said there will be a PDF version of the full TRO3145 either way.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Banzai on 21 June 2013, 23:32:58
Yeah, because that worked so well.

Well in the movie they used a psychotic, murderous thug.  In the Clans you would use Clan warriors who are...um...oh. Oh!  Never mind.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Brigoon on 22 June 2013, 16:46:25
So here is a question for the Future. (trying ot get back near topic) *pulls out a Plugger*

   Is the Clan Protectorate going to join the Fee Worlds League all nice like or is there going to be war! I am sure the Nova Cat survivors are not gonna be to keen on joining a nother Great House seeing how their clan was destroyed by House Kurita. How about the Wolf Empire?


Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 22 June 2013, 16:52:36
So here is a question for the Future. (trying ot get back near topic) *pulls out a Plugger*

   Is the Clan Protectorate going to join the Fee Worlds League all nice like or is there going to be war! I am sure the Nova Cat survivors are not gonna be to keen on joining a nother Great House seeing how their clan was destroyed by House Kurita. How about the Wolf Empire?

The Clan Protectorate IS a part of the Free Worlds League.  They have seats in parliament and everything.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Brigoon on 22 June 2013, 16:54:37
The Clan Protectorate IS a part of the Free Worlds League.  They have seats in parliament and everything.

Well some much for Question 1 how about question 2
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 22 June 2013, 16:57:45
So here is a question for the Future. (trying ot get back near topic) *pulls out a Plugger*

   Is the Clan Protectorate going to join the Fee Worlds League all nice like or is there going to be war! I am sure the Nova Cat survivors are not gonna be to keen on joining a nother Great House seeing how their clan was destroyed by House Kurita. How about the Wolf Empire?

Is it confirmed that any significant number of Nova Cats as distinct from spirit cats made it to the protectorate?

If the protectorate wanted to break away from the FWL would the Wolf Empire want them? Would they want them enough to potentially violate the non-aggression pact with the FWL?

What of the seafox elements in the protectorate?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 22 June 2013, 18:04:15
Well some much for Question 1 how about question 2

The Wolf Empire is a distinct political entity - a separate state - and is no more interested in having seats in Parliament than the Kuritans would be.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Brigoon on 22 June 2013, 18:22:57
The Wolf Empire is a distinct political entity - a separate state - and is no more interested in having seats in Parliament than the Kuritans would be.

No disrespect but how do you know? isn't the reason for these time jumps is to open up the future? to mix it up a little? say Alaric's plans back fire and the Wolves find them selves in the position of trying to play the FWL vs the Commonwealth?, what if a weaker Clan Wolf Khan comes along and suddenly the Wolf empire has to decide to go Lyran or FWL? What if the Commonwealth gets it's act together and shoves the Wolf Empire back into it's FWL holdings Alaric is dead the Wolves are on the run what now?   

Or maybe the Wolf Empire is like the Roman Empire and eventually splits it half or you have ton of back stabbing?

Whats the use of these time jumps if all we ever do is fallback to the same old routine?

Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 22 June 2013, 18:27:11
I think ColBosch (jump in if I'm wrong) like myself didn't appreciate the level of stress you were placing on the Future part of your question as we both appear to have answered on the basis of it being 3145ish.

Further forward into the future all sorts of things could happen but we won't know till we get there.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Dreyf on 22 June 2013, 18:32:51
What of the seafox elements in the protectorate?

The Sea Foxes, through Delta Aimag of the Spina Khanate, have representation in Parliament.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 22 June 2013, 18:35:25
pretty sure there is a moratorium on information beyond 3151.. after some of the negative responses to the hints about the initial plans for the time jump to 3250, TPTB have pretty much clammed up about anything after the current 3145 timeperiod.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 22 June 2013, 18:37:56
I can only make my observations based upon game lore and canon, and as of the last information we had the Wolf Empire has its sights set on the Lyran Commonwealth - up to the Khan declaring himself Archon (and then backing somewhat down, but his intentions are clear) - and nothing showing any desire to merge with the FWL. Hell, why would they want to? They already killed the Captain-General, shattered their main forces, and nearly caused the whole thing to fall apart again. They wouldn't become part of the FWL, they'd ****** conquer it.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 22 June 2013, 18:38:59
The Sea Foxes, through Delta Aimag of the Spina Khanate, have representation in Parliament.

Very interesting ........ Seafox in FWL parliament, seafox assisting FedSuns Prince ..... Is this a pattern I see before me?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 22 June 2013, 18:46:27
Very interesting ........ Seafox in FWL parliament, seafox assisting FedSuns Prince ..... Is this a pattern I see before me?

Cooooould be, yes.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 22 June 2013, 19:20:24
Hell, why would they want to? They already killed the Captain-General, shattered their main forces, and nearly caused the whole thing to fall apart again. They wouldn't become part of the FWL, they'd ****** conquer it.

The Warden-General was the one they killed.  Thaddeus Marik.  But I agree with the rest of your statement.

No disrespect but how do you know? isn't the reason for these time jumps is to open up the future? to mix it up a little?

Nobody knows for sure, except the writers.  But there's no evidence that the Wolves plan to merge with anyone.  Otherwise, why would they have formed the Empire?

say Alaric's plans back fire and the Wolves find them selves in the position of trying to play the FWL vs the Commonwealth?

They're pretty much doing that now.

Or maybe the Wolf Empire is like the Roman Empire and eventually splits it half or you have ton of back stabbing?

A Wolf split has already been done.  The Exiles.  Don't want to repeat ourselves, right? ;)

Whats the use of these time jumps if all we ever do is fallback to the same old routine?

The existence of new powers such as the Wolf Empire pretty much destroy the idea of the same old routine.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 22 June 2013, 19:33:35
The Warden-General was the one they killed.  Thaddeus Marik.  But I agree with the rest of your statement.

Right, thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Fletch on 22 June 2013, 20:04:16
Horses move and take over the clan protectorate after they get word from the Star Adders of impending invasion.  HW clans are out to get the Flacons and use the Horse OZ as their launching pad.  Once the Falcons are gone then they go for the Bears followed by the Wolves.  Lyran's get wiped off the map also.  Fortress wall comes down and Terra is no more......
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 23 June 2013, 13:00:09
Horses move and take over the clan protectorate after they get word from the Star Adders of impending invasion.  HW clans are out to get the Flacons and use the Horse OZ as their launching pad.  Once the Falcons are gone then they go for the Bears followed by the Wolves.  Lyran's get wiped off the map also.  Fortress wall comes down and Terra is no more......
...Then Human sacrifices, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: YingJanshi on 23 June 2013, 13:18:32
Horses move and take over the clan protectorate after they get word from the Star Adders of impending invasion.  HW clans are out to get the Flacons and use the Horse OZ as their launching pad.  Once the Falcons are gone then they go for the Bears followed by the Wolves.  Lyran's get wiped off the map also.  Fortress wall comes down and Terra is no more......

Why would the Adders warn the Horses? They are tainted just as much as the other IS Clans. (Though I could see the Lions warning them.)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 23 June 2013, 13:21:20
Why would the Adders warn the Horses? They are tainted just as much as the other IS Clans. (Though I could see the Lions warning them.)

I think it's a reference to the ongoing conspiracy theory that the Horses and/or the Foxes are working for/with/as part of the Homeworld Clans  :)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 23 June 2013, 13:24:11
I think it's a reference to the ongoing conspiracy theory that the Horses and/or the Foxes are working for/with/as part of the Homeworld Clans  :)

I don't think it counts as a theory if there's no evidence.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 23 June 2013, 13:27:36
I don't think it counts as a theory if there's no evidence.

Ha that's just evidence that the watch has for its act together and it's covering its tracks  ;D

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence - *has a sudden hankering to watch some old X-files episodes*
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Gaiiten on 23 June 2013, 13:33:44
Hmm, if the Wolves-in-Exile are the next to fall? There is bad blood between them and the Wolves (absorbing them) and there might even be Lyran factions attacking them alone for using them as scapegoats.

Killing them off would be a great surprise and the dawn of a truly new era of Battletech.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 23 June 2013, 13:37:54
Ha that's just evidence that the watch has for its act together and it's covering its tracks  ;D

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence - *has a sudden hankering to watch some old X-files episodes*

Okay, point. :D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: WarGod on 23 June 2013, 13:50:12
so what your saying is I can take a merc battalion, take over a FWL world, and get a Parliament seat?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Aldous on 23 June 2013, 13:56:58
so what your saying is I can take a merc battalion, take over a FWL world, and get a Parliament seat?

Remember the Clanners also crippled the real Marik family. No landhold means they lose a LOT of their standing.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 23 June 2013, 14:12:26
so what your saying is I can take a merc battalion, take over a FWL world, and get a Parliament seat?

There may be some additional paperwork, birth certificates, passports, that kind of thing.  ;D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adridos on 23 June 2013, 16:23:36
Will we again get two TROs in quick succession as a compensation for them being late (as was the case with CC and DC ones)?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: cavingjan on 23 June 2013, 19:15:52
The next one is late? I thought they were coming once a month except the catchup period.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: The_head_of_Neal on 23 June 2013, 19:31:48
I'm just getting back into buying the sourcebooks (rabid 3025'er here).  I picked this up at Origins and thumbed through it today and I have a question.  This book pretty much closes out the Dark Age, and the next Battletech era is going to be set in the 3250s correct?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: caioaf on 23 June 2013, 20:01:32
I'm just getting back into buying the sourcebooks (rabid 3025'er here).  I picked this up at Origins and thumbed through it today and I have a question.  This book pretty much closes out the Dark Age, and the next Battletech era is going to be set in the 3250s correct?
no

there will be two books that will close the Dark Age: the Field Manual 3145 and the ilClan. after that they will publish other books, like Historicals or whatever they want.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 23 June 2013, 20:10:29
I'm just getting back into buying the sourcebooks (rabid 3025'er here).  I picked this up at Origins and thumbed through it today and I have a question.  This book pretty much closes out the Dark Age, and the next Battletech era is going to be set in the 3250s correct?

Aside from the books caioaf mentioned.  There are some Historical books scheduled to come out either this year or next which are dated in early Dark Ages (Historical: Wars of the Republic Era) and two based during the Succession Wars (Early 2 and 3rd Succession War.)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Coldwyn on 24 June 2013, 03:55:48
so what your saying is I can take a merc battalion, take over a FWL world, and get a Parliament seat?

Wellcome to the League, where might makes rightdemocracy!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 24 June 2013, 17:02:12
i suspect that for most, taking over an existing FWL world wouldn't go over well. but if it is outside the current FWL? sure, get some buddies, liberate the **** out of the place, and petition for entry..
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Molossian Dog IIC on 24 June 2013, 17:34:45
But don´t be late with your tax payments.

A corrupt and overgrown bureaucracy handling the needs of tons of lackeys, schemers and slanderers doesn´t come cheap, you know.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Lazarus Jaguar on 29 June 2013, 22:39:43
hey, if any devs are out there, can we get the color version of the Fidelis logo somehow already?  I've been wanting it as a banner or avatar for a while here.

please?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: StCptMara on 29 June 2013, 22:53:43
hey, if any devs are out there, can we get the color version of the Fidelis logo somehow already?  I've been wanting it as a banner or avatar for a while here.

please?

Which standard answer was it? #3? the one that was: "if it isn't in a product, they can't tell you"?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Lazarus Jaguar on 30 June 2013, 00:35:06
killjoy

I just didn't see how they would refuse a simple request for the color scheme of an image they already published in B&W
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: cavingjan on 30 June 2013, 07:49:48
You assume they did a color version. That may or may not be right.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Decoy on 30 June 2013, 17:05:55
I'm willing to bet the color is some form of grey anyways, given who the Fidelis are.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wolflord on 30 June 2013, 17:11:24
I'm willing to bet the color is some form of grey anyways, given who the Fidelis are.

Maybe some silver and/or gold if I remember the old smoke jaguar rank badges correctly?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Jellico on 30 June 2013, 17:22:31
Wellcome to the League, where might makes rightdemocracy!
It's a representative democracy. How you choose your representative is up to you.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nav_Alpha on 01 July 2013, 02:21:25
It's a representative democracy. How you choose your representative is up to you.

If they call a general election - just make sure you pick the right (captain) general...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 01 July 2013, 02:25:34
hey, if any devs are out there, can we get the color version of the Fidelis logo somehow already?  I've been wanting it as a banner or avatar for a while here.

please?
Keep your eye on Camospecs; that'd be the first place such a thing would turn up.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 01 July 2013, 16:10:41
I'm willing to bet the color is some form of grey anyways, given who the Fidelis are.
Correct in this case. Assume that the version you see in B&W in ER:3145 looks the same in color.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 21 July 2013, 04:21:53
Recently had a thought, the trailers covered in the TRO? It's a pity that they can't mount Void-Signature systems (TacOps, page 349 for those interested, basically it's 'Mech scale Mimetic BA Armor), something that grants a bonus based upon how little you've moved works well with something that can't move under it's own power and may be left somewhere to cause problems for somebody
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 21 July 2013, 09:31:17
Their unpowered, without a Beacon Active Probe, no one going detect it under the standard rules most of the time.  So if its packing an Improved Heavy Gauss and parked in the light woods.  *Bang!* is all the detection notice they'll be getting.

I wonder if there will be more unusual units like the Gun Trailers in remaining TRO releases.  Lyrans aren't know for being sneaky. *Unless its Mobile Structure disguise as a hill.....with lots of guns.*
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Yeti on 21 July 2013, 10:36:33
They are not unpowered, they all have a rated 10 engine in them.
One of them even mounts stealth armor and ecm.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 21 July 2013, 11:21:37
They are not unpowered, they all have a rated 10 engine in them.
One of them even mounts stealth armor and ecm.
They could shutdown while someone goes by, like normal battlemech/combat vehicles right?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: caioaf on 23 July 2013, 11:35:37
I think here is the best place to post it

Quote
Looking at the final TRO3145 and I realize it's the first TRO in like...what, 10 of them that my name isn't in the credits? Feels...odd rnb

I think we can say why the Lyran TRO got a little delayed
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 23 July 2013, 18:13:13
And still no League sneak peak or even a mention on the main page . . .
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Atlas3060 on 23 July 2013, 18:17:47
FWL was released, its just the page hasn't been updated.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: bblaney on 24 July 2013, 18:22:47
And still no League sneak peak or even a mention on the main page . . .

Here ya go

http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/115988/BattleTech-Technical-Readout-3145-Free-Worlds-League
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 24 July 2013, 18:43:50
Here ya go

http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/115988/BattleTech-Technical-Readout-3145-Free-Worlds-League
It's on sale at RPG, 25% until the 28th
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: DarkISI on 25 July 2013, 07:00:04
And still no League sneak peak or even a mention on the main page . . .

Simply not true.
The front page hasn't been updated, but the product page has been there for days now: http://bg.battletech.com/?post_type=wpsc-product&p=5096
You simply have to look at the recent releases page to see it.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 29 July 2013, 13:54:03
For those of you with a freshly-minted copy of the Alpha Strike PDF, take a look at one of the thumbnail images on page 157...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 03 August 2013, 22:03:25
For those of you with a freshly-minted copy of the Alpha Strike PDF, take a look at one of the thumbnail images on page 157...

The Box Set on page 156?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 03 August 2013, 22:06:32
The Box Set on page 156?

Nope, the pic which has subsequently been shown off in this thread (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,31764.0.html).
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 04 August 2013, 09:38:27
Has it been said anywhere that when the limited edition to printed TRO:3145 comes out at GenCon, weither the PDF version will come out at the same time?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 05 August 2013, 09:14:01
It hasn't been said. But here is hoping.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 05 August 2013, 09:29:34
What limited edition? I've never heard anything that the print 3145 would have anything other than the standard TRO.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: zombietots on 05 August 2013, 12:03:14
I haven't heard that either.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 05 August 2013, 12:10:56
What limited edition? I've never heard anything that the print 3145 would have anything other than the standard TRO.
Sorry, I meant limited prelease printing of the book before the regular release gets to everyone else.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: YingJanshi on 06 August 2013, 01:13:54
Um, sorry if this has been brought up before (and it probably has...always late to the party :-[), but just reread the write-up on ComStar in ER: 3145. And noticed something I didn't before...
Is anyone else wondering if we will see ComStar's new toys in TRO: 3145? (Supposedly a Medium and Heavy 'Mech, and a DropShip at least.)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Stormlion1 on 06 August 2013, 01:23:06
I'm really hoping we will see Comstars new Toys, I really am. I'm really hoping they also have more than a few regiments too, enough to keep them from going the same way as the old Comguards did. Never sat well with me that the Comguards were painted with the same brush as the WoB and were forced to disband. Must have been all the white mechs.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nerroth on 06 August 2013, 01:37:05
I was asking about that in a BattleChat a while back, and Herb stated that if there were to be any new toys for the re-formed ComGuards in 3145, they would go in the same file as the RAF (since they count, more or less, as an "associated faction").

So, I'd expect the print edition to be the best/only shot ComStar has at getting something new to play with in the Dark Age era.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 06 August 2013, 16:59:36
Sorry, I meant limited prelease printing of the book before the regular release gets to everyone else.

Who said that, even? The question you want to ask is: "Will TR3145 be available at GenCon, and if so, will the PDF be available at the same time?" You've been here long enough to know where to ask those questions and get a proper answer.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Deadborder on 06 August 2013, 19:00:23
I was asking about that in a BattleChat a while back, and Herb stated that if there were to be any new toys for the re-formed ComGuards in 3145, they would go in the same file as the RAF (since they count, more or less, as an "associated faction").

So, I'd expect the print edition to be the best/only shot ComStar has at getting something new to play with in the Dark Age era.

FWIW, ER3145 lists at least two unknown ComGuard 'Mechs, one a Medium, one a Heavy. There could be more.

Now if there were, say, six of them...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kamose on 06 August 2013, 20:42:56
Who said that, even? The question you want to ask is: "Will TR3145 be available at GenCon, and if so, will the PDF be available at the same time?" You've been here long enough to know where to ask those questions and get a proper answer.
And this response is constructive and helpful how, exactly?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 06 August 2013, 22:04:57
Lets all get along.  O:-)

Cant wait for the new books. Hoping for a release this weekend. But not expecting one with the convention
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kamose on 06 August 2013, 22:10:50
Lets all get along.  O:-)

Cant wait for the new books. Hoping for a release this weekend. But not expecting one with the convention
Great wisdom, as always, Kitsune.  I'm hoping we might get something this week (TRO 3145 Clans); it seems reasonable to expect they'd want all the pdf's out before the print TRO.  Then again, that could just be my wild hope talking.  :))
Thanks,
Kamose
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: bblaney on 07 August 2013, 07:02:38
Great wisdom, as always, Kitsune.  I'm hoping we might get something this week (TRO 3145 Clans); it seems reasonable to expect they'd want all the pdf's out before the print TRO.  Then again, that could just be my wild hope talking.  :))
Thanks,
Kamose

Torture is something Catalyst is good at, so nothing is ever set in stone ;-)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: zombietots on 07 August 2013, 07:14:13
Is TRO Clans the last pdf? or are they planning a ComStar and a periphery one too?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Sharpnel on 07 August 2013, 07:38:13
Periphery was part of the Mercs TRO and Comstar should be included with the RotS (aka The Print Version of the TRO)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: zombietots on 07 August 2013, 07:46:44
Thanks Sharpnel.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Sharpnel on 07 August 2013, 07:50:04
In the voice of Chick-Fil-A drive-up employee: It was my pleasure
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: zombietots on 07 August 2013, 08:19:54
10 out of 10 Cows agree. Eat more chicken! O0
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: pensiveswetness on 17 November 2013, 20:50:55
Ok, i caved and bought the TRO 3145 this past friday, and rumaged throught it while waiting on The Boy at his after school Bowling league... i have one question: i've noticed several designs that look suspiciously like reworked older models (The Gauntlet looks very much like a bipedalized Bushwacker, all of the Not-WoB Celestial machines)... why is their TRO entries so... lacking in obvious comparisons?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: bblaney on 17 November 2013, 21:12:36
Ok, i caved and bought the TRO 3145 this past friday, and rumaged throught it while waiting on The Boy at his after school Bowling league... i have one question: i've noticed several designs that look suspiciously like reworked older models (The Gauntlet looks very much like a bipedalized Bushwacker, all of the Not-WoB Celestial machines)... why is their TRO entries so... lacking in obvious comparisons?

I noticed the same thing and well just thought the older mechs were inspirations
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: False Son on 17 November 2013, 21:16:05
Ok, i caved and bought the TRO 3145 this past friday, and rumaged throught it while waiting on The Boy at his after school Bowling league... i have one question: i've noticed several designs that look suspiciously like reworked older models (The Gauntlet looks very much like a bipedalized Bushwacker, all of the Not-WoB Celestial machines)... why is their TRO entries so... lacking in obvious comparisons?

The Bushwacker always had 2 legs.

And the comparisons aren't there because this is finally THA FUUUUUUTAAAAAAAAAAH!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Banzai on 17 November 2013, 21:33:42
The Bushwacker always had 2 legs.

And the comparisons aren't there because this is finally THA FUUUUUUTAAAAAAAAAAH!

Well, the Gauntlet does look like a Bushwacker that was told to stop slouching and stand up straight...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 17 November 2013, 21:42:05
The gauntlet is an omni bushwacker.

There are are alot of reworked designs. Alot of them are the mwda mini stats. So they have a new look and new stats but they are based off of older mechs.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SteveRestless on 17 November 2013, 21:51:11
the thing that dissappoints me about the Gauntlet is that I can't fit a Bushwacker's loadout on it.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Alexander Knight on 18 November 2013, 02:46:57
the thing that dissappoints me about the Gauntlet is that I can't fit a Bushwacker's loadout on it.

Welcome to the world of the BJ-3 and the BJ2-O :D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SteveRestless on 18 November 2013, 03:24:33
Don't get me wrong, I think its awesome in general, I just went "Hey! I can't fit this!"
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 18 November 2013, 10:41:44
Had a game yesterday with a fair amount of 3145 stuff in it. Some impressions:

Anzus are fun. Cooling them down once they heat up can be tricky when you're trying to maintain a good rate of fire,  but they can dish out just as good as they can take, and I'm quickly learning to love the Ultra-10 as a weapon. (The fact that my group has started applying TO's Direct Blow rules to cluster weapons is probably a factor, I'll admit). Also my first time actually using fragmentation missiles, and it was definitely worth the investment.

Yinghouchongs are bastards. Actually did more damage from melee attacks than with their guns(including DFAing a VTOL ;D), but they were still very effective. Things got even worse when the player figured out how easy remote sensors were to drop off, which contributed heavily to his Stalker II's indirect fire.

Speaking of that Stalker: Between it and an Apollo that was also present, I've developed a healthy respect for ELRMs. They weren't 'mech-killers, but they were firing(and hitting) the whole time. Also, when you're effectively outranging the artillery pieces on the board, somthing is truly, deliciously, wrong.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Hellraiser on 18 November 2013, 17:00:22
Question.

If I have TRO:3145,  is there any reason to buy the faction specific TROs ?

I was under the assumption that everything in them is in the TRO3145 Dead Tree,  but now I'm not sure.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: DarkISI on 18 November 2013, 17:06:31
Question.

If I have TRO:3145,  is there any reason to buy the faction specific TROs ?

I was under the assumption that everything in them is in the TRO3145 Dead Tree,  but now I'm not sure.

There are 100 units in the print TRO. There are 200 in the 8 PDFs. All the Republic units are in the print version (which means you can leave that PDF alone and buy the unabridged RS for the Record Sheets instead), that makes 75 out of 175 of the remaining 7 PDFs. ~42.86%.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Scotty on 18 November 2013, 18:31:47
Had a game yesterday with a fair amount of 3145 stuff in it. Some impressions:

Anzus are fun. Cooling them down once they heat up can be tricky when you're trying to maintain a good rate of fire,  but they can dish out just as good as they can take, and I'm quickly learning to love the Ultra-10 as a weapon. (The fact that my group has started applying TO's Direct Blow rules to cluster weapons is probably a factor, I'll admit). Also my first time actually using fragmentation missiles, and it was definitely worth the investment.

Yinghouchongs are bastards. Actually did more damage from melee attacks than with their guns(including DFAing a VTOL ;D), but they were still very effective. Things got even worse when the player figured out how easy remote sensors were to drop off, which contributed heavily to his Stalker II's indirect fire.

Speaking of that Stalker: Between it and an Apollo that was also present, I've developed a healthy respect for ELRMs. They weren't 'mech-killers, but they were firing(and hitting) the whole time. Also, when you're effectively outranging the artillery pieces on the board, somthing is truly, deliciously, wrong.

When I first saw the UAC/10 on the Anzu, I was immediately dismayed.  Ultra Autocannons? I thought to myself, How shitty are those?

Then I realized that it's a 13 ton, twenty point weapon that can't be negated by missiles and generates less heat than a PPC, much less two of them.  PPCs can eat their hearts out against a UAC/10.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: pensiveswetness on 18 November 2013, 18:45:25
Welcome to the world of the BJ-3 and the BJ2-O :D
lol THE bOY HAS BEEN griping about writing lately... maybe he should do a short story about a BJ-2O tech crew asked to try and recreate a BJ-3 load-out...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Jellico on 18 November 2013, 19:27:09
When I first saw the UAC/10 on the Anzu, I was immediately dismayed.  Ultra Autocannons? I thought to myself, How shitty are those?

Then I realized that it's a 13 ton, twenty point weapon that can't be negated by missiles and generates less heat than a PPC, much less two of them.  PPCs can eat their hearts out against a UAC/10.
Or you could try a RAC5  O:-)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Scotty on 18 November 2013, 19:44:09
Less range, smaller damage clusters, effectively heavier ammunition, and increased chance to jam.

Upon careful consideration, I've decided that I just plain like the UAC/10 better.  The fact that you can almost perfectly swap it for an LGR and an additional ton of ammo or is just the icing on the cake, since you get an almost effort-free translation from brawler weapon to sniper with "Screw you" levels of ammunition in no time.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Banzai on 18 November 2013, 22:42:09
When I first saw the UAC/10 on the Anzu, I was immediately dismayed.  Ultra Autocannons? I thought to myself, How shitty are those?

Then I realized that it's a 13 ton, twenty point weapon that can't be negated by missiles and generates less heat than a PPC, much less two of them.  PPCs can eat their hearts out against a UAC/10.

And when it jams, dead weight.  I'll take lesser problems and the ability to clear a jam.  Give and take is what makes it fun.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Scotty on 18 November 2013, 22:49:53
Would you believe me if I said I've only ever jammed exactly one UAC before?

Meanwhile, I've jammed a RAC on six consecutive attempts before.  It sort of soured me on the weapon.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 18 November 2013, 22:58:35
I too have an affection for the UAC-10. The Legacy was almost enough to make me play WoB. Now the HBK-7R gets me my fix.

I haven't had a chance to try the Hollander III yet but it looks like fun.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 18 November 2013, 22:59:59
I will say this: Between two Anzus that fired their guns at full-auto every turn of that fight, only one jammed, and only on the last turn of the game. O0
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Vash The Stampede on 18 November 2013, 23:35:35
 Want record sheets 3145. However I'm curious, are the TROs good lasting reads?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 18 November 2013, 23:42:42
I like the move to faction specific tro's. Each faction always had their own mechs. But seperating the tro's accentuates it.  Makes them feel a bit more unique.

Obviouy it has cost more. But its spread out. You get way more stuff and its less of a one time investment.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Banzai on 19 November 2013, 13:04:22
Would you believe me if I said I've only ever jammed exactly one UAC before?

Meanwhile, I've jammed a RAC on six consecutive attempts before.  It sort of soured me on the weapon.

And I am the opposite:  Ultra Autocannons hate me, personally, and go out of their way to commit UltraSuicide whenever I think of double tapping.   And I have burned through a Stinger's weight of RAC ammo in my last few games without a jam.   Anecdotal evidence trumps, heh.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 19 November 2013, 13:10:39
And I am the opposite:  Ultra Autocannons hate me, personally, and go out of their way to commit UltraSuicide whenever I think of double tapping.   And I have burned through a Stinger's weight of RAC ammo in my last few games without a jam.   Anecdotal evidence trumps, heh.

And I use Hellbringers because every time I field(or face) a Timber Wolf, bad things happen. Everybody's got their own weird juju. ;)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 19 November 2013, 14:15:58
And I use Hellbringers because every time I field(or face) a Timber Wolf, bad things happen. Everybody's got their own weird juju. ;)

I love Marauders. Love the way they look. Just love the idea of Marauders. Last time I used one it fell in the woods. Then thrashed around for five turns trying to stand up...

My best pilot too.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 19 November 2013, 15:00:23
For me it's the BattleMaster, every time I use one it misses with everything. I pulled a 2 hex alpha with a 4S and missed with everything...  :-[

The Thanatos on the other hand has always done well for me.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: False Son on 19 November 2013, 17:30:13
Enough nostalgia!  This thread if for the present!

3145!!!  *air guitar* Meedlee meedlee meedlee meedlee moooooooowwwwww!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: clansittingducks on 21 November 2013, 05:42:30
For me it's the BattleMaster, every time I use one it misses with everything. I pulled a 2 hex alpha with a 4S and missed with everything...  :-[

The Thanatos on the other hand has always done well for me.

For me its that LRM lance I use. 80% of the time. Total misses. One or two really great turns worth of shooting, then they explode or just remain ineffective.

And I am the opposite:  Ultra Autocannons hate me, personally, and go out of their way to commit UltraSuicide whenever I think of double tapping.   And I have burned through a Stinger's weight of RAC ammo in my last few games without a jam.   Anecdotal evidence trumps, heh.

As far as UACs and RAC's... Well Klat knows how that usually goes
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 21 November 2013, 06:21:35
And I use Hellbringers because every time I field(or face) a Timber Wolf, bad things happen. Everybody's got their own weird juju. ;)

My friend Mark always fires an Ultra AC single shot first time per game, regardless of the hit numbers.  If he doesn't, it'll jam. Every time.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: cold1 on 21 November 2013, 08:44:31
My friend Mark always fires an Ultra AC single shot first time per game, regardless of the hit numbers.  If he doesn't, it'll jam. Every time.

I have ok luck with UAC 5's and 10's.  I can not recal a game where a UAC 20 has not jammed on me.

I have not had a chance to play any to the new toys yet but I am so tempted by some of them, Warwolf H... seriously the Wolves channeled their inner Star Adder on that one.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Hellraiser on 08 December 2013, 02:35:10
I like the move to faction specific tro's. Each faction always had their own mechs. But seperating the tro's accentuates it.  Makes them feel a bit more unique.

Obviouy it has cost more. But its spread out. You get way more stuff and its less of a one time investment.
I on the other hand hate it.  I like having a single item for that era & not having to reference 8 different sources.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 08 December 2013, 23:28:01
Quick Question:  What happened to the factories in Wolves' occupation zone?  Who new occupiers gain access to new designs or they empty husks on abandoned worlds?   Example: Black Wolf Battle Armor, it was produced at W-7 on  Weingarten,  did horses get the armor?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SteveRestless on 09 December 2013, 02:41:34
Very little is specified, but "modular factories" (Presumably made OF the old factories) were brought to the Empire, and the manufacturing for the Warwolf, Wulfen, Black Wolf and Tomahawk II are all listed as having been reestablished in the Empire. As such, I would be inclined to assume that those lines were moved in their entirety. So, no free access to all the new wolf toys for CHH, I would infer from that.

Older designs are where it gets more ambiguous. We can only guess, but given the commonality of parts between the Warwolf and the Timber Wolf, and the fact they were building them by hand, I would guess that the wolves have probably retained the ability to build them, though I'm sure someone could put forward arguments for their not having bothered. Personally, I'm going with "build them alongside Warwolves in the empire"

Blood Reaper? Lobo? Sun Cobra? Don't really have anything to go on with these.

Gargoyle? Well, no real indication that they ever reestablished production of these (seemed like they'd lost it as of Objectives Clans) BUT, if i were to grasp at straws, 3145 NTNU provided a Gargoyle config that looked to me like something CHH would use. It'd be perfect if the wolves had been building the gargoyle and the horses assumed control of that line, OR if they reestablished it on the foundations that the wolves left behind.

Tundra Wolf? Ambiguous. They DID give it a NTNU config (5) but its fluffed as a design to make up for shortfalls in Tomahawk II Production. a horse apiece, on this one.

What we know for certain is that they left SOME infrastructure behind. it didn't sound like they were abandoning entire mech lines, but they definitely couldn't take anything. We'll probably never have a full picture of what was taken and what was left, though.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 09 December 2013, 03:01:19
Night Wolf, Tundra Wolf, Blood Reaper, Sun Cobra and Lobo all show up on the CHH RATs. Now that is NOT indicative of production but it could be. However, there are also some RD units there and I'm sure those are not being produced by CHH, so again take the above with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SteveRestless on 09 December 2013, 03:07:15
Yeah, even I wouldn't read anything into their presence on the RAT, since the wolves and horses were neighbors who fought.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 09 December 2013, 03:16:33
Giving it a bit more thought I'd be surprised if any complete production was left; bits and pieces sure but a complete factory seems far fetched. While I'm sure some useful infrastructure was left behind unless I find a specific mention of complete turnkey factories I'm going say that CCH is probably using more CW salvage than production units from former CW factories.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SteveRestless on 09 December 2013, 03:23:01
Yeah, I can't really see the wolves wanting to just LET the horses grow stronger, especially since they were (if reluctant) sidekicks to the falcons at the time. Heck, I could see them inviting the Ghost Bears to Weingarten before I'd see them just handing things over intact.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 09 December 2013, 10:33:16
Rats will probably be the only hint of the continued survival of the timberwolf. Since oystein would rather stab us all in the face rather than make a new objectives pdf.

Sometimes the field manuals will tell you.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 09 December 2013, 12:00:45
Having even the barest inkling of how much work must have gone into the Objectives series vs the likely reward, I'd say that someone who responds to requests to do another entire series with merely face stabbings is being the very model of restraint and civility.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Jellico on 09 December 2013, 17:20:54
The Bears had years to strip Tokasha yet the Goliath Scorpions had the facility operational in a couple of years.
The Wolf move to the Empire was even more spur of the moment than its retreat to the Inner Sphere 60 years before.
Draw your own conclusions.

Very little is specified, but "modular factories" (Presumably made OF the old factories) were brought to the Empire, and the manufacturing for the Warwolf, Wulfen, Black Wolf and Tomahawk II
Tomahawk II is not a new 'Mech. It dates back to 3088.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=Tomahawk+II (http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=Tomahawk+II)
The other three were barely out of prototype stage. 3138, 3137, and 3134 respectively. So may never have even been in production.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 09 December 2013, 17:25:11
I draw my conclusions in pencil and/or dry erase markers.  That way I can change them at will.  Remember what they say about people who ass/u/me. ;)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 09 December 2013, 19:03:00
Having even the barest inkling of how much work must have gone into the Objectives series vs the likely reward, I'd say that someone who responds to requests to do another entire series with merely face stabbings is being the very model of restraint and civility.

Yeah I fired off that previous quote quick. I didn't say he'd irrationally stab us in the face.

As far as I can tell the interested base of customers for Objectives books are SteveRestless, Martian and Myself.  ;D I'm not going to say that I'm not worth the trouble! But that's not a lot of money for a lot of hard work. ;D

I get it.

Honestly my only real disappointment with 3145 so far is the lack of explanation on Sea Fox unit structure. In the old Warden Clans and Crusader Clans field manuals, if a Clan had a unit structure that was divergent from other clans they would explain it for you so that you could field your army.

We've lost a lot of that level of granularity since then and even though I miss it sometimes for the most part I understand why. But leaving us guessing about what an Aimag is (We still assume cluster) makes it fairly difficult to run one in a Strategic Ops / Interstellar Ops game.  :(
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Paul on 09 December 2013, 19:19:13
An Aimag is kind of all over the place though, as far as composition goes. That has some tactical advantages, as your opponent also can't really prepare, or think they're "done" when they've accounted for what they consider an Aimag to be.
I also thought that either FM or ER3145 equates them as a small Galaxy, but I could be misremembering.

Generally speaking, I'd consider them big enough to deter piracy, but small enough to avoid major concerns about whichever nation they're in. These days, I'd want more than a Cluster to achieve that, though a full-blown galaxy seems overkill, so maybe it's less memory, and more presumption that provokes the prior thought.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SteveRestless on 09 December 2013, 19:53:37
Tomahawk II is not a new 'Mech. It dates back to 3088.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=Tomahawk+II (http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=Tomahawk+II)
The other three were barely out of prototype stage. 3138, 3137, and 3134 respectively. So may never have even been in production.

its new to the players, is what I meant. Even if the design is seasoned by the time we get to it.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 09 December 2013, 20:49:35
Generally speaking, I'd consider them big enough to deter piracy, but small enough to avoid major concerns about whichever nation they're in. These days, I'd want more than a Cluster to achieve that, though a full-blown galaxy seems overkill, so maybe it's less memory, and more presumption that provokes the prior thought.

Yeah. Our old Clusters were Five or Six trinaries big when we were Diamond Sharks. Which meant that if you bid your Cluster versus a Diamond Shark Cluster you may have had to attack twice as many mechs...

and really that's the only 3145 thing that gets me. I love everything else.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Jellico on 10 December 2013, 00:34:32
Yeah I fired off that previous quote quick. I didn't say he'd irrationally stab us in the face.

I promise it won't be irrational.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: pensiveswetness on 10 December 2013, 14:02:13
ok. i bought my copy of ER 3145 last weekend. hammered through reading it that night (my wife was laughing at me since im normally glued to the laptop). maybe its been mentioned but i have no patience to look. Do you think it will take a 3rd Star League combined force to wipe out the Raptor Falcons (i honestly dont even think they want to be clan much longer)? is it even politically possible (when you consider how high & Mighty the DC & CC likely feel about themselves)? it can be argued that Malvina Hazen is the Dark Age's Almaris...
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Scotty on 10 December 2013, 14:10:23
Malvina is a bitch, and insane, but she's no Stefan Amaris.  Not even close.  She musters a single Clan (and not even all of one, still), against Amaris's combined might of the Terran Hegemony and RWR.

Malvina isn't even the Jihad come again.  She's a petty megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur that happens to have a mid-size army behind her.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 10 December 2013, 14:54:59
Malvina cant go much further. Her occupation zone has been rebelling for sixty years and now the Falcon Watch is stretched desperately thin.

They will have an oz civil war and a clan civil war at the same time. If she wants to survive she needs to become ilkhan now.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 10 December 2013, 16:44:43
Lol, and this is now where you are missing FM3145 . . . but the last several posts do surprise me.  Malvina co-opted the Hell's Horses back in 3141 or 3142, which means she has (or had) two Clans toumans to draw from.  The Rending of the last 3130s, which is a MWDA novel I have not found, was a Falcon civil war and left everyone as either supporters, semi-neutral, or dead in her Clan.

However there are twists which were revealed in FM3145 and address the Falcons.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 10 December 2013, 16:45:49
Malvina co-opted the Hell's Horses back in 3141 or 3142, which means she has (or had) two Clans toumans to draw from.

Had. That alliance is very much over.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 10 December 2013, 17:51:47
Pretty sure FM3145 left it open to interpretation- they took their toys and went back home while Malvina was in a coma, but what happens when she comes out of it?  She is not the sort to let folks walk away.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 10 December 2013, 17:53:01
Pretty sure FM3145 left it open to interpretation- they took their toys and went back home while Malvina was in a coma, but what happens when she comes out of it?  She is not the sort to let folks walk away.

Clan battle!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 10 December 2013, 18:07:37
I'm 90% sure she's out of her coma, and they're still gone.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 10 December 2013, 18:10:32
I'm 90% sure she's out of her coma, and they're still gone.

She's out of the coma, because she offed Bec Malthus.  And the Horsies stayed gone.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 10 December 2013, 18:17:07
So far, but she was not out of the coma for that long.

I would LOVE for the Horses to be out of her influence, but so far we have nothing conclusive.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 10 December 2013, 18:18:12
I'd call FM: 3145 conclusive. There is no more alliance between anything Malvina and any part of Clan Hell's Horses.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Decoy on 10 December 2013, 18:33:55
I'd call FM: 3145 conclusive. There is no more alliance between anything Malvina and any part of Clan Hell's Horses.

I thought the 666th was still part of her camp, but it's just them now.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 10 December 2013, 18:36:28
Pretty sure they went back to Horse control.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Maingunnery on 10 December 2013, 19:35:37

Does she has any industry to fall back on? It sounds like she is now in a do or die situation (conquer something or die from attrition).
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 10 December 2013, 19:41:17
Does she has any industry to fall back on? It sounds like she is now in a do or die situation (conquer something or die from attrition).

She's in the Axis position in the classic boardgame Axis & Allies.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 10 December 2013, 19:41:50
Does she has any industry to fall back on? It sounds like she is now in a do or die situation (conquer something or die from attrition).

Conquering something doesn't necessarily mean she won't die from attrition. Unless she can take a note from Clan Wolf. They're stretched thin too. But they're doing a lot better administrating their new people.

The more things Malvina controls the more tenuous her grasp is. Clan Jade Falcon handles new populations through oppression. But their watch is stretched out. So maybe Malvina can put out fires by using her sociopathic tendencies to scare her surviving worlds. Scourge planets for instance. But that might also just make the other worlds harder to maintain.

Her only real chance is to invade Terra. The Jade Falcons become Ilclan, she becomes Ilkhan and then if any other home clans accept her status maybe she can focus on consolidating territory.

For the most part she's alienated every faction in Battletech and is only doing ok because House Steiner is smashed, Clan Ghost Bear doesn't care and Clan Wolf just moved. Its a lucky situation for her. Kind of.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Jellico on 10 December 2013, 20:01:15
Pretty sure FM3145 left it open to interpretation- they took their toys and went back home while Malvina was in a coma, but what happens when she comes out of it?  She is not the sort to let folks walk away.
It is over.

Malvina, well she might not like that it is over. But that is a different matter.

Pretty sure they went back to Horse control.
Yes. And the Horses have two Galaxies watching them just in case.

Does she has any industry to fall back on? It sounds like she is now in a do or die situation (conquer something or die from attrition).
The initial invasions took her through some rich factory country. More recently she has mainly been picking up empty, resource absorbing space.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 10 December 2013, 20:11:34
Somehow all the anti-spinward/Coreward clans doubled their manufacturing capacity.  ;D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 10 December 2013, 20:23:20
Though it should probably be noted that other than the Horses, who had practically no manufacturing before. They doubled them with Inner Sphere Factories.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Fletch on 10 December 2013, 21:12:59
It is over.

Malvina, well she might not like that it is over. But that is a different matter.

Bring it on I say.  The Green Pigeons need a bit of hiding to nothing from the IS clans.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: YingJanshi on 19 December 2013, 00:22:11
Malvina isn't even the Jihad come again.  She's a petty megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur that happens to have a mid-size army behind her.

Does that mean she's the 32nd century's version of ol' crazy Max L.?  :D
(Hm...Malvina does start with an M...)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 19 December 2013, 04:04:13
Nah, Malvina's able to take enemy territory.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 19 December 2013, 04:24:29
I don't think becoming IlClan will help Malvina, it won't have any effect on the IS populations she's conquered, and while it any alleviate internal problems in her faction and with other Clans (At least as long as she doesn't try conquer them) do you really think it's likely to curb her appetites?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 19 December 2013, 09:53:13
She's in the Axis position in the classic boardgame Axis & Allies.

Well yeah, she just has to take Moscow and it's all over.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 19 December 2013, 12:24:01
Well yeah, she just has to take Moscow and it's all over.

And if she doesn't, then it's still all over in the other way.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Josva Valdreki on 19 December 2013, 22:22:49
I don't think becoming IlClan will help Malvina, it won't have any effect on the IS populations she's conquered, and while it any alleviate internal problems in her faction and with other Clans (At least as long as she doesn't try conquer them) do you really think it's likely to curb her appetites?

The only Clan that remotely liked Malvina was Hell's Horses.

Now that the Hell's Horses have left the barn, conquering Earth and becoming ilClan would just be closing the barn door. If anything, Malvina sacking Terra could just mean that Clan Wolf, Clan Hell's Horses, Clan Sea Fox, Clan Snow Raven, the Dominion, the Lyran Commonwealth, and the Remnant will join forces and eat her forces alive.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 20 December 2013, 01:41:35
Is it just me or is Malvina's take on the mongel doctrine rather aggressor in nature.  :-\
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ColBosch on 20 December 2013, 07:06:03
Is it just me or is Malvina's take on the mongel doctrine rather aggressor in nature.  :-\

That's sort of the point.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 20 December 2013, 12:53:04
That's sort of the point.

So I'm not the only one who thinks she could be a plant? A chance to see how that philosophy would work so others don't get their hands dirty if it fails?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Mastergunz on 20 December 2013, 13:00:39
Is it just me or is Malvina's take on the mongel doctrine rather aggressor in nature.  :-\

Wow, that has to be up for the 'understatement of the decade' award.  ;D

-Gunz
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 20 December 2013, 13:04:21
Wow, that has to be up for the 'understatement of the decade' award.  ;D

-Gunz

You all know I'm referencing the Home World philosophy right?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 20 December 2013, 13:09:15
She isn't a plant. Even without the Clan way of raising Sibko's something like Malvina can potentially happen. (Genghis Khan)

With Clan Jade Falcon's rougher falconer's eventually you were going to get a Malvina.

It doesn't need to be a homeworld conspiracy. We don't need their help. Residents of the Inner Sphere can do bad on their own.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 20 December 2013, 13:10:56
She isn't a plant. Even without the Clan way of raising Sibko's something like Malvina can potentially happen. (Genghis Khan)

With Clan Jade Falcon's rougher falconer's eventually you were going to get a Malvina.

It doesn't need to be a homeworld conspiracy. We don't need their help. Residents of the Inner Sphere can do bad on their own.

The true puzzle is that given the Clan way of raising in Sibkos why haven't there been more Malvinas.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 20 December 2013, 13:18:54
The true puzzle is that given the Clan way of raising in Sibkos why haven't there been more Malvinas.

That's my issue; if Malvina is the result of Clan culture and Sibko programs why did such an example take so long to show up? Why haven't there been others? It's all too convenient for me to write off as completely random. I'm beginning to think the LC is being setup as a corridor much like the FRR was; but without ComStar pulling the strings.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 20 December 2013, 13:19:52
The true puzzle is that given the Clan way of raising in Sibkos why haven't there been more Malvinas.

Considering a lot of the Sibko trainers are really bitter its hard to say.

I'd suggest that the most likely reason is that the ones who make it into the Warrior Caste are the ones who can either build a support mechanism by socializing and building friendships with their peers. Or the rare ones who can develop the mental fortitude to make it without them.

Probably more of the former than the latter. But looking at the success of the Diamond Sharks/Sea Foxes and Bears. The Nova Cats being the exception. Compared to the survival of Fire Mandrills or Smoke Jaguars. At some point they have to learn to get along.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Banzai on 20 December 2013, 13:29:41
Or most Clans realize the danger of such a warrior and have them killed off before they can take their Test of Position.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 20 December 2013, 13:32:11
That's my issue; if Malvina is the result of Clan culture and Sibko programs why did such an example take so long to show up? Why haven't there been others? It's all too convenient for me to write off as completely random. I'm beginning to think the LC is being setup as a corridor much like the FRR was; but without ComStar pulling the strings.

You seriously think that anyone can tell Malvina what to do?

Malvina, Tassa Kay, Alaric Ward are all successful because they do what all great generals have always done. You take the thing that every other general knows is true and you make it false.

Malvina wins because nothing is sacred to her. She is willing to sacrifice anything. She is willing to sacrifice everything. The one thing you could take away from her that would matter, Cynthy, would just make her crazier and more angry.

So fighting her is a losing proposition because the only way you can stand up to her is to be equally willing to sacrifice everything.

Clan Star Adder would need Wizard Hats to make someone like that, control her and direct her.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 20 December 2013, 13:32:49
Or most Clans realize the danger of such a warrior and have them killed off before they can take their Test of Position.

Malvina is actually a rare duck. Even for the Sibko program. The 'Honor' brain washing didn't really sink in. The Honor Brainwashing is probably the main catalyst to keep Clan Warriors from being complete psychopaths.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Foxx Ital on 20 December 2013, 13:38:32
Didn't Malvina only survive her sibko because of her twin brother? Honestly i wish it was aleks that lived and malvina died. then i'd have a Clan jade falcon i could get behind.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 20 December 2013, 13:50:26
Didn't Malvina only survive her sibko because of her twin brother? Honestly i wish it was aleks that lived and malvina died. then i'd have a Clan jade falcon i could get behind.

I rather like the Falcons under Malvina, if she had been in charge for REVIVAL the results would've been interesting.

As to the arguments above re; Malvina as a an inevitable but random occurrence/unique snowflake: I apologize as my attempt at posting a subtle and pithy comment seems to have garnered some real ire. However, I refuse to accept easy answers for Malvina. I believe there is something much more complex going on there. I will leave it at that as I think I'm in the minority and have contributed to the derailment of this thread.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 20 December 2013, 13:52:35
I rather like the Falcons under Malvina, if she had been in charge for REVIVAL the results would've been interesting.

As to the arguments above re; Malvina as a an inevitable but random occurrence/unique snowflake: I apologize as my attempt at posting a subtle and pithy comment seems to have garnered some real ire. However, I refuse to accept easy answers for Malvina. I believe there is something much more complex going on there. I will leave it at that as I think I'm in the minority and have contributed to the derailment of this thread.

Hmm? Sorry if I came off as abrasive. I was simply contesting your post. Feel free to believe what you would like and post about it. That's what the forums are for. Not for me running you off.

Also this is the topic about 3145. So this has a place here.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Klat on 20 December 2013, 13:59:53
Hmm? Sorry if I came off as abrasive. I was simply contesting your post. Feel free to believe what you would like and post about it. That's what the forums are for. Not for me running you off.

Also this is the topic about 3145. So this has a place here.

I'm not run off, just surprised at the response. I was worried that a police hat would show up and tell us to talk shop. Then everyone would look at me like the kid who started the food fight...

As I said above there is something really complex going on with Malvina. However, one point I must concede is that she has followers. This would indicate to me that something about her resonates with others. Maybe there is a Malvina in every Falcon just waiting to get out.

That said, part of my issue is the timing; we're close to the hundredth anniversary of REVIVAL and it all smells like a setup to me.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 20 December 2013, 14:23:08
I'm not run off, just surprised at the response. I was worried that a police hat would show up and tell us to talk shop. Then everyone would look at me like the kid who started the food fight...

As I said above there is something really complex going on with Malvina. However, one point I must concede is that she has followers. This would indicate to me that something about her resonates with others. Maybe there is a Malvina in every Falcon just waiting to get out.

That said, part of my issue is the timing; we're close to the hundredth anniversary of REVIVAL and it all smells like a setup to me.

Well, one thing about the Clans is that no matter what your other qualities are, so long as you keep winning Trials of Grievance, you're A.O.K.  Might makes right, afterall.   I'll defend her as well a bit... isn't what she's doing no different than what Little Nicky did when he created the Clans in the first place?  I mean honestly, I do view both characters as cut from the same cloth.  She's a truer descendant than anyone bearing the Kerensky bloodname, imho.  She's got the gall to overturn centuries of Clan tradition... Little Nicky overturned centuries of SLDF tradition.  She might as well be his female clone ;)

But, barring comparisons to the Founder and considering her solely as a psychotic megalomaniac.. why haven't the Clans produced more of them?  Well surely they DO.. they're just lower on the spectrum to where they're willing to subject themselves to orders by their superiors.  Or, successfully weeded out by 'accidents' or suicide missions.  It could be possible that there are potential Malvinas manufactured in the crèches all the time... she was simply the first one where the weeding practices failed.

As for having followers.. it's easy to see why.  She broke the stalemate of stagnation and provided opportunities for immortality in those willing to follow her.  That and she doubtlessly kills her critics.  Of course she has a following :)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 20 December 2013, 15:18:53
Yeah. My assumption would be that trainers/scientist caste members are actively looking for mental instability. I suspect it would be able to hide sometimes. But technically they could consider it a genetic mutation and remove it from the sibko. Their careful eugenics program may also help avoid it.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: pensiveswetness on 20 December 2013, 15:47:29
So I'm not the only one who thinks she could be a plant? A chance to see how that philosophy would work so others don't get their hands dirty if it fails?

that kind of detail is something i would imagine the Snow Ravens pulling, not teh HH's. But that is a awesome possiblity, anyway.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 20 December 2013, 15:49:26
that kind of detail is something i would imagine the Snow Ravens pulling, not teh HH's. But that is a awesome possiblity, anyway.

Makes sense to me. Don't forget: Even if they are Clan, not being Snow Raven doesn't mean 100% brainless. There's a lot you can do with 10% brainpower and a decent PPC.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 20 December 2013, 15:57:30
Yeah. My assumption would be that trainers/scientist caste members are actively looking for mental instability. I suspect it would be able to hide sometimes. But technically they could consider it a genetic mutation and remove it from the sibko. Their careful eugenics program may also help avoid it.

Any amount of prevention for mental instability on the nature side of the equation is going to be at least offset by how they nurture in Sibkos.  I'd opine that it's more-than-offset.

Someone who can win every Trial of Grievance or Refusal (a paragon of martial virtue) isn't supposed to happen without also being upstanding in every moral way.  Obviously there's no real tie between the two; it's one of the quirks of the Clans that they think there is.  Someone who can insist on whatever she wants (and win all the Trials to back it up) is rare enough.. someone who's got that martial ability AND also happens to be an off-the-deep-end psycho is doubly rare.

Makes sense to me. Don't forget: Even if they are Clan, not being Snow Raven doesn't mean 100% brainless. There's a lot you can do with 10% brainpower and a decent PPC.

Naah.  Not that the Raven's wouldn't do it, or couldn't (Falcon scientists did take a huge purge not that long ago..), but that there's no need.  Sibko programs make Malvinas inevitable, even if they are rare.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Lazarus Jaguar on 20 December 2013, 16:07:21
That's my issue; if Malvina is the result of Clan culture and Sibko programs why did such an example take so long to show up? Why haven't there been others?

There have been.

Does the name Brett Andrews ring any bells?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 20 December 2013, 16:22:21
What he said.

Besides, even if Malvina-style psychopaths do show up on a semi-regulart basis, it is still very difficult to rise to leadership positions on combat skill alone. Even in a martial society like the Clans, you still need allies, backers, and patrons if you expect to get very far. I'm pretty sure officers are allowed to refuse trial challenges from warriors of lesser rank, so a true nutter can't just challenge every superior he/she gets until they reach the rank of Galaxy Commander. Warriors are often ordered to undergo Trials of Position, and if nobody will sponser you and arrange for those trials to happen, promotions come rarely, if at all. Once you do reach a Cluster command, you must engage in politics and other non-combat jockeying for position, otherwise your unit will not be sent on missions where you can gain glory for further promotion. You have to catch the Galaxy Commander's eye for him to give you combat opportunities, or for him to recommend you and your unit to the Khans for high-level assingments. No fights, no glory, no promotions. And of course, you cannot (normally) reach the level of Khan without building a support base among your Clan, since that position is achieved by election rather than Trial.

In Malvina's case, she had such a patron in the form of her far more stable brother. He was able to climb the ranks normally, and his loyalty to his sister allowed her to follow him up the ladder. When he died she took his place, and could use her brand of violence from there.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 20 December 2013, 16:27:56
What he said.

Besides, even if Malvina-style psychopaths do show up on a semi-regulart basis, it is still very difficult to rise to leadership positions on combat skill alone. Even in a martial society like the Clans, you still need allies, backers, and patrons if you expect to get very far. I'm pretty sure officers are allowed to refuse trial challenges from warriors of lesser rank, so a true nutter can't just challenge every superior he/she gets until they reach the rank of Galaxy Commander. Warriors are often ordered to undergo Trials of Position, and if nobody will sponser you and arrange for those trials to happen, promotions come rarely, if at all. Once you do reach a Cluster command, you must engage in politics and other non-combat jockeying for position, otherwise your unit will not be sent on missions where you can gain glory for further promotion. You have to catch the Galaxy Commander's eye for him to give you combat opportunities, or for him to recommend you and your unit to the Khans for high-level assingments. No fights, no glory, no promotions. And of course, you cannot (normally) reach the level of Khan without building a support base among your Clan, since that position is achieved by election rather than Trial.

In Malvina's case, she had such a patron in the form of her far more stable brother. He was able to climb the ranks normally, and his loyalty to his sister allowed her to follow him up the ladder. When he died she took his place, and could use her brand of violence from there.

I mostly agree.. where we disagree is in the extreme cases (like Malvina).  This reminds me of the old thread where Clans and Performing-Enhancing Drugs were discussed.  Yes, being able to win every Trial you're in isn't the end all, be all.  If I'm a superfreak like Malvina, or I'm a hopped up juicer, when I go to challenge my way up the ranks (or to gain a bigger mech, or to be included in a glorious mission, or to refuse a suicide mission, or whatever) the commander can provisionally refuse.  However that commander will also have rivals, who can use the psycho ristar/druggie as a tool.  The commander ends up being manipulated, or eventually ends up looking like he's unable/afraid to keep his warrior in line.  One the Trial happens, the psycho/druggie wins and the cycle repeats, until she is Khan or finally loses a fight somewhere along the way.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 20 December 2013, 16:28:47
There's also Beckett Malthus to consider.  He was a major power broker in the Clan, being behind Jana Pryde's rise to power.  Pryde put him in command of the desant in order to get him out of the way, and he saw the Hazen sibs as a way to consolidate a power base.  He just didn't anticipate how out of control Malvina would get once Aleks was gone, and then it was too late to rein her in.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 20 December 2013, 16:38:38
I mostly agree.. where we disagree is in the extreme cases (like Malvina).  This reminds me of the old thread where Clans and Performing-Enhancing Drugs were discussed.  Yes, being able to win every Trial you're in isn't the end all, be all.  If I'm a superfreak like Malvina, or I'm a hopped up juicer, when I go to challenge my way up the ranks (or to gain a bigger mech, or to be included in a glorious mission, or to refuse a suicide mission, or whatever) the commander can provisionally refuse.  However that commander will also have rivals, who can use the psycho ristar/druggie as a tool.  The commander ends up being manipulated, or eventually ends up looking like he's unable/afraid to keep his warrior in line.  One the Trial happens, the psycho/druggie wins and the cycle repeats, until she is Khan or finally loses a fight somewhere along the way.

This assumes that said rivals are also blind to the threat the psycho/druggie poses to the future of the Clan. Remember, even in Clan politics, there are scruples.

I'm not saying that the system is set up so that Malvinas can't reach high rank, because it's obviously possible, or we wouldn't have heard of Malvina, or Brett, or Clan Smoke Jaguar, or even the Clans at all. I'm just saying that there are sufficient roadblocks that such occurences should be rare. The fact that we've only heard of a few of them supports this. Are Malvina-types in command positions inevitable? Yes. No system is perfect, and the Clan system can be generally acknowledged as being about as far from perfect as any system that got past a spellchecker. However, it has enough checks and balances that such occurences are the exceptions, not the rule.

There's also Beckett Malthus to consider.  He was a major power broker in the Clan, being behind Jana Pryde's rise to power.  Pryde put him in command of the desant in order to get him out of the way, and he saw the Hazen sibs as a way to consolidate a power base.  He just didn't anticipate how out of control Malvina would get once Aleks was gone, and then it was too late to rein her in.

Exactly. He qualifies as one of those who tried to use Malvina in a power play, but failed to see her threat. I'd like to think that even in the back-alley kindergarden that is the upper ranks of Clan Jade Falcon, most of them have more brains than he did.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 20 December 2013, 17:37:09
Are Malvina-types in command positions inevitable? Yes. No system is perfect, and the Clan system can be generally acknowledged as being about as far from perfect as any system that got past a spellchecker. However, it has enough checks and balances that such occurences are the exceptions, not the rule.

We're on the same page.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Jellico on 20 December 2013, 17:48:24
A Clan Warrior faces a 1/36 chance of instant death every time they get hit by an ERPPC. I have always said that they breed for luck rather than skill.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 20 December 2013, 17:48:47
We're on the same page.

Is it the one with the pretty pictures? That's where I'm at.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Bergie on 20 December 2013, 20:15:54
A Clan Warrior faces a 1/36 chance of instant death every time they get hit by an ERPPC. I have always said that they breed for luck rather than skill.

Though it may have changed since I last played him, I think Hellbie might argue with that math.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Josva Valdreki on 20 December 2013, 21:17:42
Didn't Malvina only survive her sibko because of her twin brother? Honestly i wish it was aleks that lived and malvina died. then i'd have a Clan jade falcon i could get behind.

This. Fifteen hundred and two times this.

I liked where Clan Jade Falcon was going with Marthe and Diana and Horse and friends. I even liked Aleksandr. And then along came Malvina….

I laughed (out loud, literally) when I read that Beckett Malthus attempted to kill Malvina. I might have even said, "The Order of the Jade Phoenix strikes again!" I just don't remember whether I actually said that or if I just thought it really loudly, though.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Colt Ward on 20 December 2013, 21:22:32
I want more of that story with Beckett . . . Bonfire was really developing him as a character, the bloodfoul/Alaric thing was great.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 20 December 2013, 22:37:05
A Clan Warrior faces a 1/36 chance of instant death every time they get hit by an ERPPC. I have always said that they breed for luck rather than skill.
Teela Brown, greatest Warrior ever?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 21 December 2013, 02:07:30
Im also on the same page. But I think Brett Andrews insanity was completely unexpected. Malvina's would have been semi obvious.

As far as clan nurture breeding more psychopaths... honestly im not positive that it doesnt.

Vlad is pretty well known for murdering Jade Falcon khans with only a few khans always seeming to be alarmed by violence in the council.

But how much of Clan psychopathy do we accept as normal behavior? They are completely oblivious to the morality of killing.

Both of clan sea foxes tiburon pilot from the dark ages are psychopaths. One is written up in the jihad dossiers as dangerous. The other, who was normal is crazy when he gets his notable pilot section in the republic tro.

Granted they are 'notable pilots' it occurs in a clan that believes its strength lies in the whole clan being strong.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Kitsune413 on 21 December 2013, 02:39:47
Yeah. Looking into the definition of what qualifies you as a psychopath (there are many) I think the only clanner who definitely is not would be Ranna Kerensky.

Ironic because Natasha and Tassa Kay are huge psychopaths.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SCC on 21 December 2013, 04:35:21
A Clan Warrior faces a 1/36 chance of instant death every time they get hit by an ERPPC. I have always said that they breed for luck rather than skill.
Gauss Rifles, too.

And what hit table to mortar, especially, 'Mech Mortars use?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 22 December 2013, 22:02:20
Has anyone tried using the new units?

I've only gotten to try to use them on MegaMek due to the lack of players.

I've certainly not for lack of trying.  Twice i've used Republican units (2 Laments [2R and 3C], 2 Ospreys [15 & 26], and Winston [Standard & LAC versions]) against House Kurita's  shiny new units 2 Rokurokubi [4T & 4K], 2 Shiros [1V & 2P] and Narukami Heavy Tanks (BC2 & Standard versions).

Grant you this was against stardard bot, (Princess isn't working 37.0 Development version at the moment.) I can tell you Republicans got their butts handed to them.  Both the Kurita pairs Mechs and variants were both under armed in comparsion to Mech designs in the past.  However, end results was pretty amazing.  Hardened Armor certainly makes difference for your vehicles longevity in the field.    Heavy PPCs damage results were halved to it didn't hurt as much.  Shiro's with their Clan LRMS can witter down an enemy unit no time.  However the Narukami were stars of the show with both their Gauss Rifles and PPCs bring down both pairs of Mechs before they crippled.   

Republican units were annilihated, grant you its bot. Its not smart, but it can hurt you bad take advantage of your stupid moves.  Winstons though a ranged combatant with Light PPCs/LACs with their LRMs held out longer than their Mech counter parts.  Winstons were last to go, having to taking physical abuse by both sword wielding mechs.   The new Ballistic Reinforced Armor found on the 2P Shiro makes it difficult for missile touting machines to due serious damage to them.

I hope people get to really play with them, their missing out from some fun.

Lastly, I'd like to say Narukami are my favorate tank so far. Simple, well designed tough and their built for heavy hitting.  Bravo to inspired person who created that beast.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: SteveRestless on 23 December 2013, 17:12:57
(Princess isn't working 37.0 Development version at the moment.)

Princess is working just fine for me, running in her own window. I just have to make her physical attacks for her.

Has anyone tried using the new units?

I get a LOT of use out of the new Wolf mechs, and some of the FedSuns mechs. Never been so excited about a light mech as I am about the wulfen, enjoying the BlackWolf BA, love the Warwolf and Tomahawk II.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: StCptMara on 17 January 2014, 23:42:11
So..the last couple weeks, my group's resident Ghost Bear has used the Kodiak II 2...
That thing is completely viscious and evil. It is quit possibly one of the nastiest 'mechs
out of the 3145 Assaults. Its only weakness is that it doesn't have secondary weapons
beyong the ER PPC in the torsos. Which means your ONLY hope is to take out the arms
first if you are staring across the table from it..

If whoever designed that beast is looking here? I do not know if I want to congratulate
you for the brilliance...or throttle you for the sheet evil you unleashed. Excellent job!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: cavingjan on 18 January 2014, 12:32:42
So..the last couple weeks, my group's resident Ghost Bear has used the Kodiak II 2...
That thing is completely viscious and evil. It is quit possibly one of the nastiest 'mechs
out of the 3145 Assaults. Its only weakness is that it doesn't have secondary weapons
beyong the ER PPC in the torsos. Which means your ONLY hope is to take out the arms
first if you are staring across the table from it..

If whoever designed that beast is looking here? I do not know if I want to congratulate
you for the brilliance...or throttle you for the sheet evil you unleashed. Excellent job!

Straight up copy from the WizKids dossier.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: pfarland on 18 January 2014, 12:44:15
Teela Brown, greatest Warrior ever?
Well the clan homeworlds ARE listed as the pentagon worlds just like the puppeteer system.  We're in real trouble though if Protectors start showing up.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Pa Weasley on 18 January 2014, 12:49:04
Straight up copy from the WizKids dossier.

The Kodiak II is straight up from the dossier. The II 2 takes the dossier version and gives it a HJ3/Streak tweak.  ;)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: cavingjan on 18 January 2014, 13:56:53
Ah. Didn't see that it was the Kodiak II 2. I thought it was just the Kodiak II. My mistake.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: verybad on 18 January 2014, 16:21:58
I rather like the Falcons under Malvina, if she had been in charge for REVIVAL the results would've been interesting.

As to the arguments above re; Malvina as a an inevitable but random occurrence/unique snowflake: I apologize as my attempt at posting a subtle and pithy comment seems to have garnered some real ire. However, I refuse to accept easy answers for Malvina. I believe there is something much more complex going on there. I will leave it at that as I think I'm in the minority and have contributed to the derailment of this thread.
Same here, but I think there should be many more of her. Not necessarily all as successful as her, but Genghis Khan didn't lead a horde of hero's. I wish the Clans hadn't been made into fairly normal people, but had been mainly psychopaths as they should be.

MOST of the clans warriors should be acting like her given their lifestyles. (Kill to get higher in society)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: StCptMara on 18 January 2014, 20:23:27
The Kodiak II is straight up from the dossier. The II 2 takes the dossier version and gives it a HJ3/Streak tweak.  ;)

Yeah: So far, the Kodiak II 2 has a Shrike 2, a Tomahawk II Prime, and an Ares to its name. Next time, I am going
to test it against a Hellstar. It it a BEAST to kill because of the Harjel III, and the Streaks sandblast armor off of
anything. And heaven help you if it gets close enough to fire those ER Smalls.. When you are taking 16 5 point
hits? How many things can take that too many times?
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 18 January 2014, 20:57:02
I've been playing with the Ares and the Poseidon in MegaMek couple times, against friends and the bots.

One thing is certain, from all my encounters using them.  They don't last long in a fight.  Unless Mega is mishandling or not fully utilizing the rules they fall under.  Each time they've gone out, their either getting crippled or being destroyed by forces sent against them.

There has be better way to use them, long-range fight won't stay that way with their respective speeds. Once enemy closes in, they become even easier targets because their built in penalties.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: StCptMara on 18 January 2014, 22:12:12
I've been playing with the Ares and the Poseidon in MegaMek couple times, against friends and the bots.

One thing is certain, from all my encounters using them.  They don't last long in a fight.  Unless Mega is mishandling or not fully utilizing the rules they fall under.  Each time they've gone out, their either getting crippled or being destroyed by forces sent against them.

There has be better way to use them, long-range fight won't stay that way with their respective speeds. Once enemy closes in, they become even easier targets because their built in penalties.

Actually, the trick is: they need to be supported. In this case, I did maul the Kodiak II 2, but..the Harjel saved it(seriously..by the end, we figured that, though half the armour remained on its center torso, all that armour was Harjel) I could just never seal the deal on it by inflicting more then 4 points of damage to the torso, because my iHGR was either hitting arms(when it hit), or the lasers were hitting arms(when they hit). The only things that hit the torsos were the missiles, and they never clustered into
the same spot.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Josva Valdreki on 18 January 2014, 22:13:29
I've been playing with the Ares and the Poseidon in MegaMek couple times, against friends and the bots.

One thing is certain, from all my encounters using them.  They don't last long in a fight.  Unless Mega is mishandling or not fully utilizing the rules they fall under.  Each time they've gone out, their either getting crippled or being destroyed by forces sent against them.

There has be better way to use them, long-range fight won't stay that way with their respective speeds. Once enemy closes in, they become even easier targets because their built in penalties.

Knowing what I know about Wunderwaffen whose primary claim to fame is being bigger than everything else… that makes sense to me.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: DarkISI on 19 January 2014, 19:27:43
I've been playing with the Ares and the Poseidon in MegaMek couple times, against friends and the bots.

One thing is certain, from all my encounters using them.  They don't last long in a fight.  Unless Mega is mishandling or not fully utilizing the rules they fall under.  Each time they've gone out, their either getting crippled or being destroyed by forces sent against them.

There has be better way to use them, long-range fight won't stay that way with their respective speeds. Once enemy closes in, they become even easier targets because their built in penalties.

I have used an Ares once in a scenario as a command 'Mech. Supported by other forces and holding back while bringing it's initiative bonuses and pure fear factor into play... it was a beast. And my players didn't expect that it would show up on the battlefield, that made it even better. ;)
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Nav_Alpha on 19 January 2014, 22:30:14
I have used an Ares once in a scenario as a command 'Mech. Supported by other forces and holding back while bringing it's initiative bonuses and pure fear factor into play... it was a beast. And my players didn't expect that it would show up on the battlefield, that made it even better. ;)

I think this is exactly how the super heavies need to be played - I took one apart when it was being run by the bot.
But I've also used them as command elements - with a nice screen of skirmishers and a body guard lance. Best of all, it can carry it own point defence system in the way of several squads of BA.
Used properly these things are brutal   
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Wrangler on 19 January 2014, 22:45:06
The fluff for the Ares describes them being used as raiders in Lance (4-Mech) strength.  After my experiences, it made me wonder if their suppose to be used that way.  Anything goes in battletech though!  :D
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Lysenko on 21 January 2014, 14:58:05
Ok, I finally had a chance to sit down this holiday weekend and read ER: 3145 (getting the FM this weekend). I...AM...STOKED!

Now, I never played MWDA, I'm now sad to say. I had the typical grognard "Ewww, clicky-tech" reaction to what had been done to MY game (I've gotten better!). That's a shame, because, it might have been different, but it was still a game. I did read about a third to half of the fiction that came out under the DA brand. I didn't hate it, but I wasn't thrilled either. I was too lost; too many weird things going on. What the Hell is a Jihad? Etc. I was out of my element.

Reading ER:3145 this weekend, though...it was nostalgic in a sense. It was like when I was reading the first House books back in the 80s and "Operation: Doppelganger" was mentioned without any details, but I knew what that was because I'd read The Sword and the Dagger. I had that same sense of "getting it." Suddenly, everything clicked. Yeah, I still get teary-eyed that some of my favorite units are dead and buried (15th Dracon, 1st Marik Militia, House Ma-Tsu Kai, Knights of the Inner Sphere, ComStar), but they had their run. Everything is new again, and it can go anywhere.

I had another realization this weekend. The original setup was unsustainable. Five Great Houses. Then the FedCom turns it into 4. Even with the FRR as a buffer state, it's no help. If the FRR protects the Combine from the Lyran half of the FC, the reverse is also true. The CC is swallowed up, and then the FWL and finally the Combine. Even the Clans don't change it that much.

But the new map of 3145, just look at! The CC is a player. The new FLW still lacks Regulus and Andurien. We have no idea what's going on with the CC and MoC: could they still merge? Davion's taken a hit but is not out. The Wolf Empire threatens the LC, FWL, the RoS (when the Fortress drops, anyway). The states are all about the same size; balkanization is good for warfare!

And ComStar? Dead? Hah! We have no idea what's going on inside Fortress Republic. ComStar might have seized control (doubtful, but possible, even if improbable)!

And to be honest, I'm really liking the RoS. The Remnant is taking it hard, but who knows what's going on in Terra. I might just go Republican!

Anyway, I for one am glad that the future is here!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 21 January 2014, 15:16:09
Glad you like the stuff!

And ComStar? Dead? Hah! We have no idea what's going on inside Fortress Republic. ComStar might have seized control (doubtful, but possible, even if improbable)!

Actually, we know for an absolute fact that Comstar is completely gone within the Fortress. Per FM: 3145 and TRO 3145, they unveiled their newly reconstituted Com Guard in the form of a new 1st Division, as well as decidedly Blakist(or at least pre-Schism Comstar) leanings. In response, the Republic devoted multiple units to hunt down and destroy 1st Division, which they were successful in doing. After that, all civilian branches of Comstar were disbanded or nationalized and absorbed by the RotS government. Comstar may still exist outside the Fortress as a swiftly fading corporation, but inside the Fortress, it is simply GONE. Any survivors that may still exist have probably gone so deep into hiding that the Sixth of June will start selling cookies on street corners before these folks come back out.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Lysenko on 21 January 2014, 15:23:59
Ah, ok, thanks for the heads up, Weirdo. I'll get FM this weekend (and probably the TRO as well). But from the viewpoint of the ER, written by the remnant, what's going on in the Fortress is a complete mystery!
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Weirdo on 21 January 2014, 15:25:15
Yeah, the ER is written from the perspective of the Republic Remnant, while the FM was written by folks inside the Fortress.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Atlas3060 on 21 January 2014, 15:28:53
Actually, we know for an absolute fact that Comstar is completely gone within the Fortress. Per FM: 3145 and TRO 3145, they unveiled their newly reconstituted Com Guard in the form of a new 1st Division, as well as decidedly Blakist(or at least pre-Schism Comstar) leanings. In response, the Republic devoted multiple units to hunt down and destroy 1st Division, which they were successful in doing. After that, all civilian branches of Comstar were disbanded or nationalized and absorbed by the RotS government. Comstar may still exist outside the Fortress as a swiftly fading corporation, but inside the Fortress, it is simply GONE. Any survivors that may still exist have probably gone so deep into hiding that the Sixth of June will start selling cookies on street corners before these folks come back out.
Which after reading such news relaxed my attitude toward the Republic.
Long ago I didn't want to play them because they smelled too much like Blakists, but with a new coat of paint.
Then I read about how they hunted them down with little to no mercy. It almost brings a tear to this Ghost Bear's eyes it was so beautiful.
 O0
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Banzai on 21 January 2014, 15:53:46
Which after reading such news relaxed my attitude toward the Republic.
Long ago I didn't want to play them because they smelled too much like Blakists, but with a new coat of paint.
Then I read about how they hunted them down with little to no mercy. It almost brings a tear to this Ghost Bear's eyes it was so beautiful.
 O0

Ah, but what better way to throw people off of their hidden Blakeism then by hunting down the apparent Blakeists!  Thus hiding in plain sight!  Obviously! 

Note to self: pick up more tinfoil on the way home from work.
Title: Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
Post by: Captain of C-21 on 21 January 2014, 19:48:54
The fluff for the Ares describes them being used as raiders in Lance (4-Mech) strength.  After my experiences, it made me wonder if their suppose to be used that way.  Anything goes in battletech though!  :D

The pirate factions were still in full swing when the Ares first started appearing (right around late 3135-3136).  Most of those who saw the early Ares were pirate factions, Senate Loyalists, or random knights trying to hold everything together, so lone Ares would been hefty challenges for them.