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Title: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 10 January 2015, 13:33:03
This thread is for any question that you may have about Fin Finance 2.0 project.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: cavingjan on 16 January 2015, 08:03:02
Any way to handle small variant parts? Examples that I keep eyeing up are simple things like a wasp arm with the dual lasers (3S) or the missile launcher and new arm for the newer mml/lppc wasp (8T). Or some more omni parts for the clan omnis.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 16 January 2015, 09:03:30
Any way to handle small variant parts? Examples that I keep eyeing up are simple things like a wasp arm with the dual lasers (3S) or the missile launcher and new arm for the newer mml/lppc wasp (8T). Or some more omni parts for the clan omnis.

It needs to be discussed to determine the best way to handle something like that. As of now we are looking at more new minis or variant (more then just a arm) that people want done.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sagittaire on 16 January 2015, 09:22:32
Is the sclupting only being handled by one Sculptor (Behrle Hubbuch B-3)? If so are there plans to include other Sculptors?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: JadeHellbringer on 16 January 2015, 09:26:28
Will this cover miniatures only, or will things like resin dropships be fundable as well (is that a word? Fundable? It is now.)

I ask because there's a couple of droppers like the Triumph and Leopard CV I'd be intrigued to see done.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Dragon41673 on 16 January 2015, 10:52:11
Speck, although the "variant parts" question was already answered, do you think it would possible to at least get the Dasher C Left Arm made through Fan Funding, since IWM currently sells the Dasher C Right Arm (OP-046). It's a simple mirror image of that arm...and without the left arm, it makes no sense carrying the right one because you just can't use it.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 16 January 2015, 12:55:35
Is the sclupting only being handled by one Sculptor (Behrle Hubbuch B-3)? If so are there plans to include other Sculptors?

At first I will be doing all sculpting to keep things simple and manageable.  If things go well and there is enough demand other sculptors will join the team.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 16 January 2015, 14:47:57
Will this cover miniatures only, or will things like resin dropships be fundable as well (is that a word? Fundable? It is now.)

I ask because there's a couple of droppers like the Triumph and Leopard CV I'd be intrigued to see done.

As of now this is just for Miniatures only. If things go well and Mike approves we might be able to add resin dropships later on.

Speck, although the "variant parts" question was already answered, do you think it would possible to at least get the Dasher C Left Arm made through Fan Funding, since IWM currently sells the Dasher C Right Arm (OP-046). It's a simple mirror image of that arm...and without the left arm, it makes no sense carrying the right one because you just can't use it.

As of now no, falls into the small variant parts question that I already answered.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: mike19k on 16 January 2015, 15:35:21
Will this cover miniatures only, or will things like resin dropships be fundable as well (is that a word? Fundable? It is now.)

I ask because there's a couple of droppers like the Triumph and Leopard CV I'd be intrigued to see done.

So love this idea.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Col.Hengist on 16 January 2015, 17:06:09
Are you taking requests yet because if you are... Belleraphon...
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Jal Phoenix on 16 January 2015, 18:31:43
One minor problem I can foresee.  Say I have $800 to burn, and want to put it toward sculpting the PME-D-TR3 PotatoMech from XTRO: REALLY Deep Periphery.  It gets on the poll but gets zero votes, because even I might not vote for that.  Problem is, of the six designs that do pass, I don't care about them and don't wish to donate my money.  So I drop my $800 on online sellers who deeply discount their minis, and I get a better deal.  So there's $800 that is not going into the project, and one more mini not being made for the three fans who want it. 

I understand limiting the flow of incoming stuff to a manageable level, but at some point this scenario will occur.  I don't have a realistic suggestion other than to maybe keep a slot open for people who want to wholly fund a specific mini themselves.  I'd just rather see the money go directly to IWM.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 16 January 2015, 18:33:34
Are you taking requests yet because if you are... Belleraphon...

open suggestion thread (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/fan-financing-2-0/1st-quarter-2015-fan-finance-suggestions/)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 17 January 2015, 14:27:06
One minor problem I can foresee.  Say I have $800 to burn, and want to put it toward sculpting the PME-D-TR3 PotatoMech from XTRO: REALLY Deep Periphery.  It gets on the poll but gets zero votes, because even I might not vote for that.  Problem is, of the six designs that do pass, I don't care about them and don't wish to donate my money.  So I drop my $800 on online sellers who deeply discount their minis, and I get a better deal.  So there's $800 that is not going into the project, and one more mini not being made for the three fans who want it. 

I understand limiting the flow of incoming stuff to a manageable level, but at some point this scenario will occur.  I don't have a realistic suggestion other than to maybe keep a slot open for people who want to wholly fund a specific mini themselves.  I'd just rather see the money go directly to IWM.

An interesting comment.  I'd like to say at this point I'm not just the sculptor in this new endeavor, I initiated this project with IWM so I could keep a steady stream of work heading my way and I enlisted Speck's help to get the rules hammered out and to get this going on the Forum(s).  We are both running this operation so we can make new rules that suit the situation as long as they don't clash with any of the basic rules IWM established from the beginning. 
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Col.Hengist on 17 January 2015, 15:15:09
open suggestion thread (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/fan-financing-2-0/1st-quarter-2015-fan-finance-suggestions/)

 Thank you
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Savage Coyote on 17 January 2015, 17:58:38
An interesting comment.  I'd like to say at this point I'm not just the sculptor in this new endeavor, I initiated this project with IWM so I could keep a steady stream of work heading my way and I enlisted Speck's help to get the rules hammered out and to get this going on the Forum(s).  We are both running this operation so we can make new rules that suit the situation as long as they don't clash with any of the basic rules IWM established from the beginning.

Cool!  Hopefully this will result with some nice, probably-wouldn't-have-seen-the-light-of-day sculpts!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: BirdofPrey on 17 January 2015, 19:18:01
Fin Finance 2.0
Can we finance something besides just fins? :P

If the trial run goes well, will you be adjusting the schedule at all (eg. how often votes go up and how many minis get selected in each one) to better match the available man-hours?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 18 January 2015, 01:56:47
Can we finance something besides just fins? :P

If the trial run goes well, will you be adjusting the schedule at all (eg. how often votes go up and how many minis get selected in each one) to better match the available man-hours?

No, just Fins.  ;)

IWM has limited us to no more than two (possibly three) minis per month, depending on how swamped the Mold Orcs are.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Weirdo on 18 January 2015, 02:07:35
Well, if you want mold to grow on an orc, sticking them in a swamp certainly seems like a good way to start. :)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Col.Hengist on 18 January 2015, 02:28:07
I thought orcs were mold...
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Weirdo on 18 January 2015, 13:14:53
Those are orks, not orcs. :)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Slotus2005 on 25 January 2015, 12:38:16
How much is a reasonable amount to contribute?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 25 January 2015, 13:50:55
You can contribute as much as you want.  You can pay for a whole Mech or Vehicle if you like. ;)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: invallid effort on 26 January 2015, 03:56:29
I know it was said that the begining was going to focus on mechs and vees, but if things go well, could we see funding of BA in the near future,and is it a difficulty of production thing or like a lack of potential RoE/ interest that excludes BA from the mix for now?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 26 January 2015, 07:13:07
I know it was said that the begining was going to focus on mechs and vees, but if things go well, could we see funding of BA in the near future,and is it a difficulty of production thing or like a lack of potential RoE/ interest that excludes BA from the mix for now?

If things go well the next suggestion thread will include other unit types.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: The Wayfarer on 26 January 2015, 07:45:25
I'm new to fan funding.  What's the benefit of contributing besides putting a mini into production? 

Is there a discount provided to me for the miniature I help fund?

Is there a contribution minimum?

Mike
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: DarkISI on 26 January 2015, 08:02:17
I'm new to fan funding.  What's the benefit of contributing besides putting a mini into production? 

You get store credit in the amount you contributed to the funding. So if you want to make a larger order anyway, fan funding is a good way to go about it.

Is there a discount provided to me for the miniature I help fund?

No

Is there a contribution minimum?

Not really, but let's be realistic here: contributing an amount of $1 would be kinda silly and would lead to more work for the one keeping track of it than the dollar would be worth. ;)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GRUD on 31 January 2015, 00:38:28
Hey Speck, how about instead of keeping the Top Six and chucking everything else, why not hang on to the list of everything that gets 10-12 votes or so, and take the top 6 from there next Quarter?  Maybe if there's a tie, have a "Tie Breaker" Poll?  Even if you don't go straight down the list, maybe just toss the ones below the top 6 back up for another Poll, without taking more suggestions?  It looks like there's PLENTY to keep B-3 busy for a while anyway!   ;D
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: cavingjan on 31 January 2015, 10:00:07
So you are essentially suggesting doing this once a year? No thanks. I'd rather be able to insert some of the new stuff coming down the line.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Baron RedSkull on 31 January 2015, 10:39:15
Maybe next time we could narrow the poll choices a little bit. I feel like 35 is a lot to chose from. Maybe about 20 choices would be better considering how many didn't make it to double digits in votes.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: mike19k on 31 January 2015, 13:24:54
So you are essentially suggesting doing this once a year? No thanks. I'd rather be able to insert some of the new stuff coming down the line.

I agree, I will throw money at this, but not at what looks to be winning right now. I see no reason to spend money to make a new version of the same thing when we do not have all the old ones yet.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 31 January 2015, 23:15:23
So you are essentially suggesting doing this once a year? No thanks. I'd rather be able to insert some of the new stuff coming down the line.

But...new stuff is the focus for the foreseeable future? So you would rather pay money to see new stuff faster, than see old slights corrected or old holes filled in?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: cavingjan on 01 February 2015, 00:10:03
But...new stuff is the focus for the foreseeable future? So you would rather pay money to see new stuff faster, than see old slights corrected or old holes filled in?
Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. I will just make this observation. Of the top 6 minis currently in the poll, 3 of them have come out in the last 2 1/2 months with one being a little over 2 weeks old. We've had years of fan funding that didn't see some of these old slights/holes fixed.
(I'm not convinced that some of them that may win the votes will actually get the money needed such as the Blood Kite.)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 01 February 2015, 00:31:57
Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. I will just make this observation. Of the top 6 minis currently in the poll, 3 of them have come out in the last 2 1/2 months with one being a little over 2 weeks old. We've had years of fan funding that didn't see some of these old slights/holes fixed.
(I'm not convinced that some of them that may win the votes will actually get the money needed such as the Blood Kite.)

Well how many years did fan financing actually run for? i think the biggest projects that got done were arguably the microfighters and warships, which is kind of a big hole to fill and then the LAM thing that closed out the whole program for a few years.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 01 February 2015, 01:14:02
If they don't get funded they don't get sculpted and are dropped from the list.  Sooner or later we'll get to the things everyone wants.  I guess a good rule to go with is, if you don't have the money to help fund it then don't vote for it.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Jal Phoenix on 01 February 2015, 11:43:02
That goes back to the concern I raised when this first started.  Of the top six, only one of my choices made it.  Say I don't care about the other five and won't contribute to them.  Of the people who did, are enough willing to fork over the dough?  When mine comes up, are enough willing to help me fund it? 

I'd suggest not doing it the way it's being done.  I'd suggest giving a grand total for the top six, then opening up for donations.  Pool all the money donated, and when the threshold for the first mini is reached, get that one sculpted. Meanwhile, funds can be coming in to get the next one done, and so forth.  This way, everyone's money goes toward the most popular project, instead of those who voted for number six having to wait an unknown amount of time to donate, during which their available funds may dry up or go to other real life concerns. 
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Maingunnery on 01 February 2015, 12:23:30
That goes back to the concern I raised when this first started.  Of the top six, only one of my choices made it.  Say I don't care about the other five and won't contribute to them.  Of the people who did, are enough willing to fork over the dough?  When mine comes up, are enough willing to help me fund it? 

I'd suggest not doing it the way it's being done.  I'd suggest giving a grand total for the top six, then opening up for donations.  Pool all the money donated, and when the threshold for the first mini is reached, get that one sculpted. Meanwhile, funds can be coming in to get the next one done, and so forth.  This way, everyone's money goes toward the most popular project, instead of those who voted for number six having to wait an unknown amount of time to donate, during which their available funds may dry up or go to other real life concerns.
I think forcing people to pay for minis that they don't like is a bad idea. Even worse it wouldn't even guarantee that their mini makes it.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: DarkISI on 01 February 2015, 12:40:21
I think forcing people to pay for minis that they don't like is a bad idea. Even worse it wouldn't even guarantee that their mini makes it.

Exactly.
Before we say it won't work. Let's wait and see how it works. If it doesn't, there can still be changes for the next round. Right now, let's test the concept we have before changing it all over before it can even get started.

And, to put in a question: what's next? :)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 01 February 2015, 13:16:42
This is Step 3:

 The top two winners will have their Funding Threads opened first for people to pledge money towards. During the funding stage, we would like one person to become the Lead Contact for the item being funded. They will collect all of the contact information (Name, email, and amount pledged) for the backers and then forward one payment to the Sculptor (Behrle Hubbuch B-3 on forum) preferred payment is Paypal. 

Since this a new and different way of collecting funds, we welcome suggestions that will help streamline the operation.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: DarkISI on 01 February 2015, 13:27:18
Okay, then here is my next question:

How will the Lead Contact be determined?
How is Paypal taking a cut of the money being factored in? If you wire the exact amount to the Lead Contact, there will already money be lost (either the one wiring the money or the Lead Contact will have to pay a few bucks). Then there is another transfer to you, were, once again, money will be lost. Worst case: the Lead Contact will pay in full for both transfers and lose a lot of money.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 01 February 2015, 14:33:20
There are ways around the fees on Paypal.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 01 February 2015, 18:54:58
Well, here is my take on fan funding, do whit it what you will.

I want obscure unpopular stuff. With the latest 2015 release list from IWM I have everything I want from the dark age as far as mechs go already coming down the pipe. There are a few tanks i might be interested in, but that's it. A lot of the 3075 stuff that is not done yet and the final 3085 reseens all interest me, as does the Pollux ADA tank from LOT2...

I'm mainly interested in seeing a full range of mech-scale fighters for the original AT, 2750, any remaining clan fighters and a few other ASF relics like the Typhoon.

After that; some of the XTRO stuff interests me; with the Soarace (sp?) superheavy tank at the top of that list, followed, frankly by the Scorpion LAM and the Liberator. And no; I do not care even a little that they are failed, unplayable designs. Minis are very much about the rule of cool, empowering a neat and fun story for me; the rules serve that, not the other way around.

I have a very limited taste for resculpts; with that list headed by the Centurion (but, frankly, only if it follows the 3025/Mech Commander Asthetic of being tall and menacing) and the Mackie (HB:SL version). I have all the pity in the world for those other minis suffering from BIG GIANT HEAD syndrome; like the Highlander, but frankly I feel efforts are better spent on improving existing minis with things like more Omni parts and just *better* parts. There are more than a few *very* good minis that have one thing glaringly wrong with their legs or arms for instance; usually proportion.

I have exactly no time for resculpting minis ad naseum because they are *not in scale*. DO NOT CARE.

And I have little interest in any of the top six, frankly outside liking to see APC minis so I could grab a pack someday, if it was convenient. Better yet; buying them for cheap, individually from IWM, as I do with the Prowler, Ingis, rotunda, Beagle, ect, every time I place an order.

That said; if Fan finance is open when next I have disposable income, I will be investing it and I do see it as an investment, in this program.

For three reasons;

1. I feel this is good for the game in particular and the hobby in general. Has anyone else ever done this for their fans? I'd be shocked if they had.
2. Supporting other people, when I can and promoting this attitude is my only chance to ever see any of the stuff I am interested in; I am invested emotionally in this program and I want it to keep going, at least until "all the holes are filled in".
3. I am going to be giving IWM my money anyways, what is a short detour into FF credit? I still get the credit to spend on minis anyways, right?

Suffice to say that my tastes are not likely to be widely shared, but I love this hobby and the FF Credit system is a massive incentive. I mean, it's not like if I put cash towards the Highlander or Zeus, I get that $ value in Highlander or Zeus Minis; I can put it to whatever I want on the webstore.

Sure, maybe I am being a little idealistic; essentially backing an honour system on faith, but as I said above; I have my reasons.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: mike19k on 01 February 2015, 19:24:17
That goes back to the concern I raised when this first started.  Of the top six, only one of my choices made it.  Say I don't care about the other five and won't contribute to them.  Of the people who did, are enough willing to fork over the dough?  When mine comes up, are enough willing to help me fund it? 

I'd suggest not doing it the way it's being done.  I'd suggest giving a grand total for the top six, then opening up for donations.  Pool all the money donated, and when the threshold for the first mini is reached, get that one sculpted. Meanwhile, funds can be coming in to get the next one done, and so forth.  This way, everyone's money goes toward the most popular project, instead of those who voted for number six having to wait an unknown amount of time to donate, during which their available funds may dry up or go to other real life concerns.

If we did it this way, I will not give any money to it at all, I do not see any reason to do the re-sculpts on the list as the old one fit the art as far as I see it. Also doing re-sculpts when we have lots that still need first sculpts. I will put money to new sculpts and maybe some of the alternate sculpts.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: BirdofPrey on 01 February 2015, 19:55:24
I have a similar stance to resculpts.  While I will give the primitives of unseen mechs a pass since the reseens are supposed to be post SW mechs and lots of people hate them, but beyond that, unless the sculpt is absolutely terrible and hard to put together, I'd rather see new units than resculpts and sculpts of additional variants of mechs (especially mechs that already have more than one variant).  When it comes to variants, I would like more mech variant parts, and the first generation IS omnimechs need pods (granted, a couple of those minis would need to be redone to accept them).

I also probably wouldn't donate if everything were just pooled.  Most of the items on the list are stuff I don't see as being made, and I'd rather save my money in case something that's actually new manages to bubble up to fan funding.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: DarkISI on 02 February 2015, 03:09:35
There are ways around the fees on Paypal.

Could you explain how? I really don't know. :)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GRUD on 02 February 2015, 11:55:09
Could you explain how? I really don't know. :)

If your PayPal account is linked to your bank account (I don't think they care if it's Checking or Savings), then you can click the "I'm sending money to friends or family" link and pay that way with no PayPal fees.  If you live outside the US they'll still get you for Currency Conversion Fees, but I don't know any way around that.  Either way, the Sender should ALWAYS be the one to pay any fees involved.


If we did it this way, I will not give any money to it at all, I do not see any reason to do the re-sculpts on the list as the old one fit the art as far as I see it. Also doing re-sculpts when we have lots that still need first sculpts. I will put money to new sculpts and maybe some of the alternate sculpts.

Same here.  I'll be damned if I'll pay a penny for a Flashman or Highlander Resculpt.   #P   If my money won't go towards what I voted for, I won't give anything at all.  I'm Forced to do that enough as it is, so I'm sure NOT going to do it voluntarily!
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: klarg1 on 02 February 2015, 12:25:25
Speck,
Can vouchers for the IWM store be split across multiple orders, or do they need to be spent all at once?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Savage Coyote on 02 February 2015, 14:39:50
I have negative desire for APC's, no desire for primitives or a one-off who's art has literally been a week or month or two in the light, and only a fleeting desire for the highlander.  You can guess where my money is going.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: cavalier1645 on 02 February 2015, 17:11:54
I have negative desire for APC's, no desire for primitives or a one-off who's art has literally been a week or month or two in the light, and only a fleeting desire for the highlander.  You can guess where my money is going.

I feel your pain. I got too many 3025 mechs to justified any of Primitives. I have no need for APCs in my forces. I have original Highlander and no offense like the old look. Also I don't care for resculpts, especially on mechs that l like the original look for. I probably won't throw any money to this round of fan funding.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GreekFire on 02 February 2015, 22:47:23
OK, just to make sure I understand things correctly...

If I pledge 100$, I get 100$ in IWM online store credit?

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The top two winners will have their Funding Threads opened first for people to pledge money towards. During the funding stage, we would like one person to become the Lead Contact for the item being funded. They will collect all of the contact information (Name, email, and amount pledged) for the backers and then forward one payment to the Sculptor (Behrle Hubbuch B-3 on forum) preferred payment is Paypal.
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How will the Lead Contact be determined?

I'd also like to hear an answer to this question. Additionally, will this person be able to issue me a receipt of some sort guaranteeing me that the money will be put towards the production of the miniature in question? No offense to anyone here, but I am highly uncomfortable at the idea of sending money to someone that I'm only linked to via an easily deleted online account.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 03 February 2015, 01:06:34
OK, just to make sure I understand things correctly...

If I pledge 100$, I get 100$ in IWM online store credit?

Yes that is correct.

I'd also like to hear an answer to this question. Additionally, will this person be able to issue me a receipt of some sort guaranteeing me that the money will be put towards the production of the miniature in question? No offense to anyone here, but I am highly uncomfortable at the idea of sending money to someone that I'm only linked to via an easily deleted online account.


 Lead Contact will be determined by you all trusting each other.  I seriously doubt that anyone on this forum would steal from anyone else.  If anyone is stupid enough to try to steal from others on this forum, I will personally hunt them down and gut them like a fish (metaphorically speaking). You will automatically receive an electronic confirmation of your payment from Paypal.  If this doesn't work for you you can send me a check directly but I'd prefer to spend my time Sculpting not being a Book Keeper.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TS_Hawk on 03 February 2015, 01:21:29
When doing the funds should we advise what the funds are for?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 03 February 2015, 03:18:37
You will state the amount you are pledging in the Pledge threads.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 03 February 2015, 15:41:48
This evening I will update the first post with remaining balance.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 03 February 2015, 15:43:54


 Lead Contact will be determined by you all trusting each other.  I seriously doubt that anyone on this forum would steal from anyone else.  If anyone is stupid enough to try to steal from others on this forum, I will personally hunt them down and gut them like a fish (metaphorically speaking). You will automatically receive an electronic confirmation of your payment from Paypal.  If this doesn't work for you you can send me a check directly but I'd prefer to spend my time Sculpting not being a Book Keeper.

If no one volunteer to be the lead contact I can step in, but do not want to do so for every funded item.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 03 February 2015, 15:47:28
If this is going to cause problems I can handle all of this money stuff.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GreekFire on 03 February 2015, 16:28:49
I really don't want my post to cause any problems, I could very well be the outlying element here.

I'm noticing that some writers might take an interest in funding these units; I think I'd feel better with sending my money to one of them since they'd be a lot easier to track down if something bad does happen. But in the end, it's an issue on my end more than anything else.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GRUD on 03 February 2015, 17:43:45
As B-3 pointed out, you'll have your PayPal email receipt for one thing, and for another, since all the pledges are being posted Publically, if the "Money Handler" decides to do something "Funny", it won't go well for them I'm sure.  Word will be posted here, then on FB, if not FB first.  I also think there are ways of getting money back from PayPal, should something "Bad" happen.  But as B-3 also points out, I don't think anyone getting involved with this Project would do anything like that.

That there are a few that are dishonest on this site?  Undoubtedly.   :-\  That any of them would get involved in this Project and try to get away with something so Publically?  HIGHLY Unlikely.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Burning Chrome on 04 February 2015, 16:53:16
No you can't pick the sculptor.  You're stuck with me for the time being. :D

What mechs have you sculpted?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: jymset on 04 February 2015, 17:48:29
What mechs have you sculpted?

Behrle Hubbuch has been one of, if not the main BT sculptor for many, many years, now for IWM, before that for Ral Partha.

Look, I don't usually self-arbitrate any threads on here, but there is a rule and a discussion thread right here in this sub-forum. Let's get with the FF sculpts in question, shall we? ;)

Behrle, the one question I have is - can we get you to go really small, tiny and cute with these? And to channel as much of Aliens as possible for the wheeled APC and as steampunk-ey as all heck for the tracked one? O:-)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Burning Chrome on 04 February 2015, 18:00:25
My question is directly related to Fan Funded sculpts.

I didn't recognize the name and am asking for a few examples of his work prior to committing any funds.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GunjiNoKanrei on 04 February 2015, 18:38:52
My question is directly related to Fan Funded sculpts.

I didn't recognize the name and am asking for a few examples of his work prior to committing any funds.
That's what the Fan Funding Questions thread is for (as stated previously).

Behrle's latest work is the Ostwar. Already published works include the Warwolf, Lament, Doloire, both new Banshees, Tiburon, Sling, newest Zeus, XTRO Marauder, Primitive Thunderbolt and many more.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: jymset on 04 February 2015, 18:49:34
The following should be of assistance. O0

Quote from: speck link=http://bg.battletech.com/forums/fan-financing-2-0/fan-finance-2-0-guidelines/
...the Sculptor (Behrle Hubbuch B-3 on forum).

Quick Google Search (https://www.google.de/#safe=off&q=behrle+hubbuch+iii)

Fan Finance 2.0 Questions (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/fan-financing-2-0/fin-finance-2-0-questions/)

And seeing this thread is not about general Fan Funded sculpts but about the 3026/3039 APCs, here's the tally as far as I can tell:

klarg1 - 200
mike19k - 200 but no paypal account
jymset - 200
Cache - 100 - and lead contact
TS_Hawk - 50
Fletch - 100
beachhead1985 - 20
Maingunnery - 30
The Wayfarer - 50
Heavyguard - 50

Is there any way to solve that paypal problem, mike19k?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 04 February 2015, 19:21:18
I did the:

Arbalest, Archer Reseen, Archer 6W, Arctic Wolf, Atlas III, Axman 6X, Banshee -1E, Banshee -11X, Barghest, Behemoth Reseen, Beowulf, Beowulf IIC, Blade, Blitzkrieg, Blood Asp, Blood Asp 2nd Sculpt, Blood Reaper, Bloodhound, Blue Flame, Brigand, Bruin, Burrock, Cephalus Prime, Cephalus D, Chimera, Crimson Langur, Dola, Doloire, Dragon II, Eyrie, Fafnir, Flashfire, Gestalt, Ghost, Goliath Reseen, Goliath 2H, Guillotine IIC, Gyrfalcon, Hachiwara, Hatchetman Dark Age, Hellhound Reseen, Hellion, Hitotsume Kozo, Incubus II, Initiate, Jenner IIC Reseen, Juggernaut, Lament, Legacy, Mad Cat II, Mad Cat Mk II Enhanced, Marauder Reseen, Marauder -4X, Matador, Omega, Omen, Orion IIC, Osteon Prime, Osteon D, Osteon Jaguar, Ostroc Reseen, Ostroc 3C, Pack Hunter II, Peacekeeper, Pillager Anvil, Revenant, Rifleman Reseen, Rifleman 6X/7M, Sagittaire, Sasquatch, Savage Coyote, Scorpion Reseen, Shadow Hawk 7CS/7M, Shadow Hawk IIC Reseen, Shen Yi, Shugenja, Spirit, Stalking Spider, Stiletto, Stinger Reseen, Thunderbolt Reseen, Thunderbolt -1C, Tundra Wolf, Verfolger, Vixen Reseen, Warhammer Reseen, Warhammer 9S/4L, Warhammer IIC Reseen, Warwolf, White Flame, Yao Lien, Zeus X.

I also did most, if not all, of the Map Scale Mechs, a whole bunch of misc. Tanks, aircraft, and other vehicles, and most of the Aerotech Capital ships.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Cache on 04 February 2015, 20:28:17
How will the IWM store credit be issued and redeemed? What information will need to be provided by the financiers to facilitate this?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 04 February 2015, 20:52:09
During the funding stage, we would like one person to become the Lead contact for the item being funding. So that they can collect all of the contact information (Name, email, and amount) for the backers and then forward one payment to the Sculptor (Behrle Hubbuch B-3 on forum). When any of the Funding threads is fully funded the Lead contact will work on getting all of the contact information and collection of the money to then pay Behrle, preferred payment is Paypal.

Fan Finance Credit

All credit for Fan Finance project will be issues in forum of a voucher through IWM online store. So when we get the collected information for a funded sculpt, I will send out emails from the IWM online store to redeem the voucher of the amount that each person pledged to the sculpt. Credit is still 1 to 1. So now when you place a order with IWM on there webstore, you can use your credit for the purchase.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 04 February 2015, 21:02:53
Are the Fan Financing Credit vouchers redeemable through email/mail orders placed with Melissa The Office Wench?

I ask as my retail orders (and I believe this applies for CSO and Demo Team members too) go through Melissa not the IWM webstore.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Burning Chrome on 04 February 2015, 21:35:57
I did the:

Arbalest, Archer Reseen, Archer 6W, Arctic Wolf, Atlas III, Axman 6X, Banshee -1E, Banshee -11X, Barghest, Behemoth Reseen, Beowulf, Beowulf IIC, Blade, Blitzkrieg, Blood Asp, Blood Asp 2nd Sculpt, Blood Reaper, Bloodhound, Blue Flame, Brigand, Bruin, Burrock, Cephalus Prime, Cephalus D, Chimera, Crimson Langur, Dola, Doloire, Dragon II, Eyrie, Fafnir, Flashfire, Gestalt, Ghost, Goliath Reseen, Goliath 2H, Guillotine IIC, Gyrfalcon, Hachiwara, Hatchetman Dark Age, Hellhound Reseen, Hellion, Hitotsume Kozo, Incubus II, Initiate, Jenner IIC Reseen, Juggernaut, Lament, Legacy, Mad Cat II, Mad Cat Mk II Enhanced, Marauder Reseen, Marauder -4X, Matador, Omega, Omen, Orion IIC, Osteon Prime, Osteon D, Osteon Jaguar, Ostroc Reseen, Ostroc 3C, Pack Hunter II, Peacekeeper, Pillager Anvil, Revenant, Rifleman Reseen, Rifleman 6X/7M, Sagittaire, Sasquatch, Savage Coyote, Scorpion Reseen, Shadow Hawk 7CS/7M, Shadow Hawk IIC Reseen, Shen Yi, Shugenja, Spirit, Stalking Spider, Stiletto, Stinger Reseen, Thunderbolt Reseen, Thunderbolt -1C, Tundra Wolf, Verfolger, Vixen Reseen, Warhammer Reseen, Warhammer 9S/4L, Warhammer IIC Reseen, Warwolf, White Flame, Yao Lien, Zeus X.

I also did most, if not all, of the Map Scale Mechs, a whole bunch of misc. Tanks, aircraft, and other vehicles, and most of the Aerotech Capital ships.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 04 February 2015, 23:07:15
Are the Fan Financing Credit vouchers redeemable through email/mail orders placed with Melissa The Office Wench?

I ask as my retail orders (and I believe this applies for CSO and Demo Team members too) go through Melissa not the IWM webstore.

I'm sure we can figure something out. O0
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 04 February 2015, 23:18:18
Awesome, I will make my small contribution to the cause then. We would not want to see you having to slum it and have look for sculpting work from GW or Palladium ^-^

I salute you for your work on the primative Thud mini - the best looking Thud mini of all time. Keep up the great scuplting!  O0
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 04 February 2015, 23:25:31
Are the Fan Financing Credit vouchers redeemable through email/mail orders placed with Melissa The Office Wench?

I ask as my retail orders (and I believe this applies for CSO and Demo Team members too) go through Melissa not the IWM webstore.

The Fan Financing Credit voucher are handled through the online store. This is being done removing having to keep track of how much credit people have left and make is easy to spend it. So when I get the list of all of the people who have helped fund the sculpt, they will receive a email from the online store with a voucher amount of what you pledged. Then the credit is used when placing a order through the online store, which also handles all CSO and Demo Agent orders as well.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 04 February 2015, 23:30:14
Cool! O0
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 04 February 2015, 23:41:38
The Fan Financing Credit voucher are handled through the online store. This is being done removing having to keep track of how much credit people have left and make is easy to spend it. So when I get the list of all of the people who have helped fund the sculpt, they will receive a email from the online store with a voucher amount of what you pledged. Then the credit is used when placing a order through the online store, which also handles all CSO and Demo Agent orders as well.

Thanks for the response Speck, unfortunately my international retailer orders do not go through the online store (if they did I would be less of a headache for Melissa). I am sure I can work something out with Melissa (when she is not too busy) or if it is not possible I may just donate it to a worthy cause . . .
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Fletch on 04 February 2015, 23:48:42
Thanks for the response Speck, unfortunately my international retailer orders do not go through the online store (if they did I would be less of a headache for Melissa). I am sure I can work something out with Melissa (when she is not too busy) or if it is not possible I may just donate it to a worthy cause . . .

Let Melissa know I will spend any of my credit vouchers in one go  O0
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 04 February 2015, 23:58:22
Fletch - Will do, but you will probably have to spend them via the IWM webstore. I might give you my credit voucher to spend.

Speck - follow on question, are the credit vouchers transferable?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: jymset on 05 February 2015, 02:06:58
Would it be much of a hassle to split up credit vouchers into chunks of 50 or 100 $?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: DarkISI on 05 February 2015, 03:57:28
Speck - follow on question, are the credit vouchers transferable?

Yeah I would like to know the same. Jymset and I have pooled our credits in the past, to be able to get an order big enough to make shipping to Germany feasible. Will this still be possible?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 05 February 2015, 07:22:58
Would it be much of a hassle to split up credit vouchers into chunks of 50 or 100 $?

After you redeem the voucher to your account you can send how ever much you want. If you spend more then the voucher you will pay the extra amount.

Yeah I would like to know the same. Jymset and I have pooled our credits in the past, to be able to get an order big enough to make shipping to Germany feasible. Will this still be possible?

Once the voucher is redeemed to your account you can spend some or all of it to some else via there email address. Then they would redeem it and spent it on the order.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: DarkISI on 05 February 2015, 07:50:54
Once the voucher is redeemed to your account you can spend some or all of it to some else via there email address. Then they would redeem it and spent it on the order.

Perfect. Thank you :)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TigerShark on 05 February 2015, 14:42:26
I would love to fully-finance a miniature myself. Possible? Impossible?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 05 February 2015, 14:59:31
That's fine as long as it's on the list.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TigerShark on 05 February 2015, 15:24:20
Sorry if I'm asking for a repeat answer, but could you like me to the list?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 05 February 2015, 16:00:09
Here is the list minus the first two:
 
Flashman resculpt TRO 3025 (revised) /3039 / 3050U
Templar III Prime TRO 3145FS
Primitive Griffin GRF-1A XTRO Primitives IV
Black Knight “Red Reaper” XTRO Most Wanted
Kheper KHP-7R TRO 3145RS
Dragoon AEM-01 H:LoT2
Blood Kite (Standard)  TRO 3067
Gunslinger GUN-1ERD resculpt TRO 3055U
Bellerophon BEL-1 X XTRO Primitives III
Swordsman SWD-1 XTRO Primitives IV
Imp IMP-1A resculpt HistOK
Centurion CN11-O Prime TRO 3145FS
HawkWolf HWK-4F TRO 3145ME
Sokar Urban Combat Tank TRO Prototypes
Centurion CN9-D resculpt TRO 3050U
Hephaestus Jump Tank TRO Prototypes
Primitive Dervish DV-1S XTRO Primitives III
Gossamer VTOL TRO 3145ME
Gauntlet GTL-1O Prime TROLC
Saracen Mk II HCV TRO 3145DC
Vector Combat Support VTOL H:LoT2
Ursus II TRO 3085
Kamakiri Attack VTOL TRO 3145DC
Super-Wasp WSP-2A-X XTRO Succession Wars I
Highlander HGN-732 resculpt TRO 3050U
Goblin Medium Tank TRO 3039
Teppō Artillery Vehicle TRO 3085S
Patron Loadermech / MilitiaMech / PatrolMech TRO 3075 / XTRO Retro / TRO Prototypes
Schildkröte Line Tank TRO 3145LC
Tufana Hovercraft TRO 3085
Anubis ABS-5Y TRO 3145CC
Myrmidon Medium Tank (Anti-Infantry) TRO Prototypes
Celerity CLR-03-O Prime TRO 3145RS

This is just the beginning there will be more added later after the first six are finished.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 05 February 2015, 17:15:20
I would love to fully-finance a miniature myself. Possible? Impossible?

When the next funding thread is open if it's somethjng you want to go ahead. The other top four threads will be opened as the funded items are sculpted and turned in.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 05 February 2015, 18:05:12
Do I understand correctly that we *will* be re-doing the poll every time we do this, right?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TigerShark on 05 February 2015, 20:03:39
When the next funding thread is open if it's somethjng you want to go ahead. The other top four threads will be opened as the funded items are sculpted and turned in.

Any links to people I'd talk to, websites to make donations, etc.? Also, can it be in any order on that list? i.e.: the Vector and Dragoon are what I'm looking to fund. Also, how do I acquire an estimate?
 
As I'm pretty serious about doing this, any contact info you can post or PM would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Baron RedSkull on 05 February 2015, 20:26:01
Did you read this post? It explains all the rules and S.O.P. for the fan funding project.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TigerShark on 05 February 2015, 20:30:40
Did you read this post? It explains all the rules and S.O.P. for the fan funding project.

I just re-read the other sticky. My only remaining question is, then, "how much?"
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: cavingjan on 05 February 2015, 20:57:22
it depends upon the unit. first two were 1000 and 800 dollars.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Cache on 05 February 2015, 21:05:25
I just re-read the other sticky. My only remaining question is, then, "how much?"
Cost is given when the funding threads are opened.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 05 February 2015, 22:17:20
Do I understand correctly that we *will* be re-doing the poll every time we do this, right?

As the Guidelines (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/fan-financing-2-0/fan-finance-2-0-guidelines/) say, each Quarter there will be a new suggestion thread and then poll. The top 6 will have the option to be funded.


Any links to people I'd talk to, websites to make donations, etc.? Also, can it be in any order on that list? i.e.: the Vector and Dragoon are what I'm looking to fund. Also, how do I acquire an estimate?
 
As I'm pretty serious about doing this, any contact info you can post or PM would be appreciated.

As of now we already have the winners of the first poll for this quarter, which are below.

Primitive Rifleman RFL-1N XTRO Primitives IV      40 (9.2%)
Armored Personnel Carriers (Tracked, Wheeled, Hover)   26 (6%)
Primitive Griffin GRF-1A XTRO Primitives IV              25 (5.8%)
Highlander HGN-732 resculpt TRO 3050U         25 (5.8%)
Black Knight “Red Reaper” XTRO Most Wanted      24 (5.5%)
Flashman resculpt TRO 3025 (revised) /3039 / 3050U   24 (5.5%)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GRUD on 05 February 2015, 22:46:53
I just re-read the other sticky. My only remaining question is, then, "how much?"

This is from the Fan Finance 2.0 Guidelines thread (link below).

During this step, we will also determine the cost for the sculpt as well and for some there is a flat rate for new sculpts, such as Mechs $800 and Vehicle $500. Additional variant parts to new sculpt depending what is involved might be extra cost.


Basically, the people funding the APCs are getting 3 vees for the price of 2!   O0


http://bg.battletech.com/forums/fan-financing-2-0/fan-finance-2-0-guidelines/
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TS_Hawk on 06 February 2015, 01:42:41


Basically, the people funding the APCs are getting 3 vees for the price of 2!   O0


http://bg.battletech.com/forums/fan-financing-2-0/fan-finance-2-0-guidelines/                                                                           

So now I am confused. I thought we are getting vouchers for the store or do we get the vouchers to get the mechs or vees we are funding?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 06 February 2015, 01:57:39
Funders get vouchers to the IWM store.

GRUD is referring to estimated cost of scupting a vehicle was $500 per vehicle and that B-3 has agreed to scuplt the three APCs for $1,000 (so the funders are getting three scuplted APCs for the cost of two).
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TS_Hawk on 06 February 2015, 02:07:28
Ah OK thank you my noble friend
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GRUD on 06 February 2015, 02:14:11
So now I am confused. I thought we are getting vouchers for the store or do we get the vouchers to get the mechs or vees we are funding?

We get Store Credit equal to the dollar amount we pledge toward the funding.  I meant the people funding the 3 APCs essentially get 3 vees funded for the price of 2.  I didn't pay any towards funding them, but I'll Probably buy the APCs once they're released.  Whether you hang on to your Store Credit until the minis are released is up to you.  With the Old Fan Funding, I had the impression some people held on to their credit for a ridiculously long time, which is Probably partly why Sawbones doesn't want to have anything to do with it anymore.  He was the one keeping track of how much Credit each person had, and they were dragging their feet about using it.  This new system/method should eliminate that part of the headache at least.   O0


I Apologize for the confusion.    :-\


Annnnd I've been Roosterboy'd while Previewing my reply!   :D Damn dialup!  #P
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 06 February 2015, 05:47:17
Ah OK thank you my noble friend

No worries mate  O0

Annnnd I've been Roosterboy'd while Previewing my reply!   :D Damn dialup!  #P

Sorry mate, I was just trying to cover your back  :-[
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: The Wayfarer on 06 February 2015, 08:24:20
Speck,

Will the vouchers or credit be redeemable at the IWM booth at Gen Con?

Thanks in advance.

Mike
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: mike19k on 06 February 2015, 09:32:00
As the Guidelines (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/fan-financing-2-0/fan-finance-2-0-guidelines/) say, each Quarter there will be a new suggestion thread and then poll. The top 6 will have the option to be funded.

As of now we already have the winners of the first poll for this quarter, which are below.

Primitive Rifleman RFL-1N XTRO Primitives IV      40 (9.2%)
Armored Personnel Carriers (Tracked, Wheeled, Hover)   26 (6%)
Primitive Griffin GRF-1A XTRO Primitives IV              25 (5.8%)
Highlander HGN-732 resculpt TRO 3050U         25 (5.8%)
Black Knight “Red Reaper” XTRO Most Wanted      24 (5.5%)
Flashman resculpt TRO 3025 (revised) /3039 / 3050U   24 (5.5%)

The question that I have is there a way to poll how much people are willing to pay, rather then have people who are not willing to put any money saying what they would like? I noticed that the new mini of the APC's was funded in less the first 24 hours of being open, and yet the much more popular by votes alternate is still not funded after three days (I believe it will be).  I am willing to put money towards new after we have new then alternates but not so much resculpts.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 06 February 2015, 09:47:22
Speck,

Will the vouchers or credit be redeemable at the IWM booth at Gen Con?

Thanks in advance.

Mike

no, since they are run through the webstore gift voucher system. As soon as I have the list of those who pledged money, they will get a email from the webstore about the voucher. So at that point it is managed through the online store. In the past fan finance credit was never redeemable at conventions. In part because of how the shows are run and that they handle all of the transaction separate from how IWM webstore is run.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GRUD on 07 February 2015, 09:10:51
Sorry mate, I was just trying to cover your back  :-[

As you just said yourself, No Worries!   O0


It's not YOUR fault the County I live in thinks the Steam Engine is "Hi Tech"!   :o

 :D

I swear to God, I get tempted more and more every day to try that "Internet via Avian Protocol" system.   :P
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 07 February 2015, 10:58:52
Hey we are not much better downunder. The Blessed Blake has smiled on me, the suburb I live in is one of the few places in the country that been upgraded from dial-up (we used to just use a 3G mobile phone network USB modem it was that bad) to the cutting edge of the NBN (aka Fibre To The Home) in all its 50/20Mbps glory (I can get 100/40Mbps if I want to pay alot more for it).

Due to a change of Federal Government (I will lightly tippy-toe around the Forum Rule No 4 and 7 landmines), the NBN roll-out has been scaled back to be Fibre To The Node. So everybody else downunder will still be relying on the last few hundred metres of ancient, under-maintained copper twisted pair to deliver their "high-speed" broadband (limited to a max of 25Mbps) when they finally get the NBN roll-out.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: cavalier1645 on 07 February 2015, 18:13:34
The question that I have is there a way to poll how much people are willing to pay, rather then have people who are not willing to put any money saying what they would like? I noticed that the new mini of the APC's was funded in less the first 24 hours of being open, and yet the much more popular by votes alternate is still not funded after three days (I believe it will be).  I am willing to put money towards new after we have new then alternates but not so much resculpts.

Same here I don't want results or Alternatives and be willing to put money towards new mechs, vehicles and especially power armor.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TigerShark on 10 February 2015, 15:08:20
it depends upon the unit. first two were 1000 and 800 dollars.

Alright. Well, when there's a cost estimate for the Dragoon and/or Vector, let me know and I'll pony up some dough. :)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TigerShark on 10 February 2015, 15:10:04
Same here I don't want results or Alternatives and be willing to put money towards new mechs, vehicles and especially power armor.

Same opinion. I have $$$ to burn, but not for "let's do the 3rd version of another 3025 unit." Lots of units with no minis left to finish.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GreekFire on 10 February 2015, 15:26:57

Alright. Well, when there's a cost estimate for the Dragoon and/or Vector, let me know and I'll pony up some dough. :)

Would you still be willing to support the Basilisk Quad as well? I didn't suggest it in the other thread since you had already posted it, but unfortunately it never made the poll. I'd be able to put a good 200$ towards it if it ever does make the cut.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: cavingjan on 10 February 2015, 17:51:21

Alright. Well, when there's a cost estimate for the Dragoon and/or Vector, let me know and I'll pony up some dough. :)

Please look over the Guidelines for how units are selected. They can be found in the here.
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/fan-financing-2-0/fan-finance-2-0-guidelines/

The poll is what determines which ones will be done and the process is restarted each quarter.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: cavalier1645 on 10 February 2015, 18:30:42

Same opinion. I have $$$ to burn, but not for "let's do the 3rd version of another 3025 unit." Lots of units with no minis left to finish.

Unfortunately they tend to be the ones who dominate the polls for new fan finance.  :(
But I was encouraged by the support for APC vehicle, even though its one I would never buy. Its encouraging to see people support more vehicles then lets have same mechs redone.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TigerShark on 10 February 2015, 19:10:09
Hmm.. So probably not for another year or two, then. Until all 6 of those stacked above it are completed. Oh well, I tried. :)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 10 February 2015, 20:32:31
Ideally, we will be doing two each month, so we should get through the first 6 in about three months.  :D
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: mike19k on 10 February 2015, 20:34:53
Unfortunately they tend to be the ones who dominate the polls for new fan finance.  :(
But I was encouraged by the support for APC vehicle, even though its one I would never buy. Its encouraging to see people support more vehicles then lets have same mechs redone.

This is why I am hoping that we can get the next poll modified so that it is not what is the most popular, but what are people willing to throw money at. The much more popular Primitive Rifleman RFL-1N took about a week to get to its funding level, yet the APC's that needed more money and was about half as popular took less than a day. My first thought is that put in the post asking people to not vote if they are not willing to put any money into a project, second thought is have them put in the comment section how much/what they are willing to put it towards. For example, I am willing to put $XXX towards unit XXX, or I am willing to spend XXX on what ever. Something like that.

Ideally, we will be doing two each month, so we should get through the first 6 in about three months.  :D

Hopefuly, but of the next four two are resculpts, one is a Primitive and the last is an alternate. I could see it being hard to get funding for them all. I put in some of my monthly game funds to help with the APC's but looking over the list it is proably the only one that I will help fund of the six, so I will just have to wait for the next quarter and hope that some more new stuff gets added. (by new I mean stuff that does not have a version of it, be it 3025, 3050, primitive, etc.)

Primitive Rifleman RFL-1N XTRO Primitives IV      40 (9.2%)
Armored Personnel Carriers (Tracked, Wheeled, Hover)   26 (6%) FUNDED
Primitive Griffin GRF-1A XTRO Primitives IV              25 (5.8%)
Highlander HGN-732 resculpt TRO 3050U         25 (5.8%)
Black Knight “Red Reaper” XTRO Most Wanted      24 (5.5%)
Flashman resculpt TRO 3025 (revised) /3039 / 3050U   24 (5.5%)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: cavalier1645 on 10 February 2015, 20:38:13
This is why I am hoping that we can get the next poll modified so that it is not what is the most popular, but what are people willing to throw money at. The much more popular Primitive Rifleman RFL-1N took about a week to get to its funding level, yet the APC's that needed more money and was about half as popular took less than a day. My first thought is that put in the post asking people to not vote if they are not willing to put any money into a project, second thought is have them put in the comment section how much/what they are willing to put it towards. For example, I am willing to put $XXX towards unit XXX, or I am willing to spend XXX on what ever. Something like that.

Ya that would be good, because there where many mechs and vehicles I would have been willing to help fund, but didn't vote on cause I was trying to get my choice voted in.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Baron RedSkull on 10 February 2015, 21:33:08
Ideally, we will be doing two each month, so we should get through the first 6 in about three months.  :D

So how long does it take you to sculpt something? Do you freehand or use a computer?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 10 February 2015, 22:26:52
This is why I am hoping that we can get the next poll modified so that it is not what is the most popular, but what are people willing to throw money at. The much more popular Primitive Rifleman RFL-1N took about a week to get to its funding level, yet the APC's that needed more money and was about half as popular took less than a day. My first thought is that put in the post asking people to not vote if they are not willing to put any money into a project, second thought is have them put in the comment section how much/what they are willing to put it towards. For example, I am willing to put $XXX towards unit XXX, or I am willing to spend XXX on what ever. Something like that.

I think this is a good suggestion for speck and B-3 to consider. I voted for both the Primitive Rifleman and the Primitive Griffin because they were the two that I am keen to see made into minis. As I voted for them, I believe that when they come up for funding that I will make a contribution to funding them and I will purchase them when they are in distribution as I am responsible for the vote that I lodged (no matter how big or small that contribution is).

Certainly, if somebody like TigerShark was to vote and pledge that he would fund the entire scuplt then that should be taken into account. However, I assume IWM would also need to balance that with the fact that if TigerShark is the only person who is voted for the mini then it may be possible that he may be the only person interested in purchasing the minis after they go into distribution. It may be a better business case for IWM and be better for the fan financing program if popular minis are fan financed (even if it take one week to get it financed instead of one day), go into production and sell like hotcakes.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 11 February 2015, 00:21:10
Ideally, we will be doing two each month, so we should get through the first 6 in about three months.  :D

Whoah! really? I was expecting more like quarterly! Cool! 8)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: BirdofPrey on 11 February 2015, 00:41:30
3 months is quarterly.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 11 February 2015, 09:49:27
So doing 2 every month is not quarterly, it's monthly.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: mike19k on 11 February 2015, 11:40:42
I think this is a good suggestion for speck and B-3 to consider. I voted for both the Primitive Rifleman and the Primitive Griffin because they were the two that I am keen to see made into minis. As I voted for them, I believe that when they come up for funding that I will make a contribution to funding them and I will purchase them when they are in distribution as I am responsible for the vote that I lodged (no matter how big or small that contribution is).

Certainly, if somebody like TigerShark was to vote and pledge that he would fund the entire scuplt then that should be taken into account. However, I assume IWM would also need to balance that with the fact that if TigerShark is the only person who is voted for the mini then it may be possible that he may be the only person interested in purchasing the minis after they go into distribution. It may be a better business case for IWM and be better for the fan financing program if popular minis are fan financed (even if it take one week to get it financed instead of one day), go into production and sell like hotcakes.
Definitely something to think about, the other side is even if you have say 100 people vote for something will they all buy it or do they just think it is cool but have no plans of buying? Also if using your example TigerShark is willing to fully fund something would others vote for it if they are not going to put money towards it, but still may want to buy it?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 11 February 2015, 12:11:12
So how long does it take you to sculpt something? Do you freehand or use a computer?

It usually takes me 1-2 weeks to sculpt a Mech depending on complexity of design.  Vehicles take 1 week or less depending on complexity of design and size.  I do everything by hand at this point.  I have done some CAD work using Rhino but prefer hand sculpting.  I also do my own RTV molds and cast pewter masters which makes production mold shrinkage minimal at IWM.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TigerShark on 11 February 2015, 12:27:26
Solutions:
 
1. Put some kind of official poll on IWM's website for people who have accounts and, say, credit card purchases on file as the only ones capable of voting. Something to verify people are actually going to buy and not just vote on "fanboy-ism". Or mass-mail people and give options.
 
2. Mass-mail a poll to former clients who've made purchases and count the votes manually.
 
3. Have voting only for new minis and let re-sculpts be fan financed in a "resculpt" thread. This way there's always a mix of the two being accomplished. Not that I feel most of these things NEED resculpts, but if there's a demand, there's money to be made.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GRUD on 11 February 2015, 12:46:01
It's almost like there needs to be a 2-Poll System used.  The first Poll is for all the Suggestions (like we recently did), while the 2nd Poll would be for the top 10-12, to select the 6 that would actually get funded.  In essence, the 1st Poll would be "What would you like to see made?", while the 2nd would be "What would you help fund?", I guess.  Sure, it takes longer and is slightly more work, but maybe it would make things go smoother next time?   ???  As mike19k has already suggested, this would help sort out the "Most Popular" from "What would you throw money at?", I think.  If it turns out we get a few tied (like this last poll), so it gives us more than 12 Nominees for the 2nd Poll, go ahead and keep them all.


At least one suggestion in this first poll received 0 Votes, most likely because the person that suggested it voted for others on the list they wanted more.  I think another only had 1 vote, while there were several that only received 4-6 votes.  Personally, I think there were too many Nominations for the Poll.   :-\


Regarding the Resculpt of the Flashman and Highlander, I still think there needs to be a thread for them, so people can let it be known what they think is "Wrong" with the current mini.  Otherwise, there will simply be more complaining when the Resculpts come out, and Whatever it is that people thought was "Wrong" is unchanged.    :-X
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GRUD on 11 February 2015, 13:05:02
Solutions:
 
1. Put some kind of official poll on IWM's website for people who have accounts and, say, credit card purchases on file as the only ones capable of voting. Something to verify people are actually going to buy and not just vote on "fanboy-ism". Or mass-mail people and give options.
 
2. Mass-mail a poll to former clients who've made purchases and count the votes manually.
 
3. Have voting only for new minis and let re-sculpts be fan financed in a "resculpt" thread. This way there's always a mix of the two being accomplished. Not that I feel most of these things NEED resculpts, but if there's a demand, there's money to be made.
I can see SO MANY problems with #1 and #2 it's not even funny.   :o  Mainly, the Fact that not everyone buys directly from IWM.  Telling those people "Your money isn't good enough" is an EXCELLENT way to make them "Angry ".  With so many people buying from either other online retailers or from their local FLGS, your idea wouldn't necessarilly be all that more accurate.  Angry people are known to "Vote" with their wallets, as in by NOT BUYING.   :-\


While I tend to agree with you on #3, I'm also one of those that doesn't view the Primitives as a "True" Resculpt.   ;D  As I've said before, the art for the Primitives is sufficient enough to warrant a new mini, while the "True" Resculpts are existing minis with something minor about them that some people don't like and want "corrected".   :-X
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TigerShark on 11 February 2015, 13:21:45
Both of those designs (FLS- and HGN-) have dopey-looking artwork to begin with. So there's nothing wrong with the sculpt so much as it looking like an ugly design. That, and people probably thinking it all needs to resemble MWO artwork now.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: mike19k on 11 February 2015, 13:24:33
While I tend to agree with you on #3, I'm also one of those that doesn't view the Primitives as a "True" Resculpt.   ;D  As I've said before, the art for the Primitives is sufficient enough to warrant a new mini, while the "True" Resculpts are existing minis with something minor about them that some people don't like and want "corrected".   :-X
I also do not see primitives as a "True Resculpt", I just want to do things that have not been made first, I do want to see the primitives as the ones that are out right now I think are great some much better than the originals.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 11 February 2015, 13:30:46
There will still be one suggestion thread and poll each quarter with 6 winners to be sculpted. But will shorten the number of suggestions on the poll. I aggree there was to many options to vote on. We will make some adjustments before the next poll and see how it goes.

Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: cavingjan on 11 February 2015, 13:31:58
If our limit is capacity, adding a seperate resculpt poll isn't going to do anything other than reduce the number of slots from this poll. Doesn't seem like it will do what you want.

So doing 2 every month is not quarterly, it's monthly.

2 every month for 3 months nets us the 6 for the quarter. Thus the cycle starts all over again each quarter.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: cavalier1645 on 11 February 2015, 17:44:28
I also do not see primitives as a "True Resculpt", I just want to do things that have not been made first, I do want to see the primitives as the ones that are out right now I think are great some much better than the originals.

I do see them as a resculpt. The only reason a thing is primitive is it got older weapons and internals (like a engine etc.) Aesthetically it should not look much different at all from it more modern variants. To me, no offense, the results and primitives seem to take away from mechs, vehicles and power armor that doesn't get a chance to be made.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: DarkISI on 11 February 2015, 17:49:31
Will we get additional options in for the next poll? I mean, for example, BAs ;)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Maingunnery on 16 February 2015, 16:51:43
Will we get additional options in for the next poll? I mean, for example, BAs ;)
I hope so, I really need Marauder BA and Cuchulainn Support Armor for my Mercs.

Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 16 February 2015, 18:11:07
I do see them as a resculpt. The only reason a thing is primitive is it got older weapons and internals (like a engine etc.) Aesthetically it should not look much different at all from it more modern variants. To me, no offense, the results and primitives seem to take away from mechs, vehicles and power armor that doesn't get a chance to be made.

I think, and correct me if I'm wrong; but I think that Primitives are sort of a second shot at the reseen for those of us who didn't care for what we got out of PP. As far as I remember, all the primitives have been of formerly unseen types, except for the Xanthos, which, while I am not 100 thrilled with it's sculpt (LEGS! WHY ALWAYS THE LEGS?!), we hardly need a new sculpt for that version.

Yes, some minis just look *wrong* to some or all of us. Sometimes it's even an accurate portrayal by the art, but the art sucks, sometimes it's just a poor sculpt.

Interestingly, I find the 3025 revised "De-enriched" SLDF mechs are usually very attractively depicted, especially in the case of designs which kick butt on the table and look bad on the shelf.

There may be some moderate call for variant sculpts, but this would be a very case-by case sort of thing, mostly based on demand. In this mien I am *HUGE* fan of variant parts and *Fixing* sculpts bit by bit.

So, do we need sculpts for all the primitives? Eh, maybe when popularity calls for it. A case can be made for re-working some fugly mechs as well. Variants should be the least common re-sculpt in my mind. While the quest for a Zeus as badass to look at as it is on the table, continues; I think moderation is called for overall.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 16 February 2015, 18:21:13
Okay, so if it comes up; what is the accepted waiting period for a financier who goes dark on us?

How much time should we give someone without even a how do you do? I want to be fair and understanding.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Maingunnery on 16 February 2015, 18:27:00
Okay, so if it comes up; what is the accepted waiting period for a financier who goes dark on us?

How much time should we give someone without even a how do you do? I want to be fair and understanding.
My idea:

Two weeks from the start of the funding thread. Then use the backups, if the backups fail ask an earlier financier to increase their share.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 16 February 2015, 19:16:25
May I suggest, two weeks from when the lead financier pm's with the paypal payment details. The rest I agree with Maingunnery.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 16 February 2015, 20:20:08
Sounds good to me!  Speck?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 16 February 2015, 23:03:09
Sounds good to me!  Speck?

Sounds good to me.

Also, I have updated the Guidelines thread with the addition of the lead contact information from Cache.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Paul on 17 February 2015, 16:56:29
Definitely something to think about, the other side is even if you have say 100 people vote for something will they all buy it or do they just think it is cool but have no plans of buying? Also if using your example TigerShark is willing to fully fund something would others vote for it if they are not going to put money towards it, but still may want to buy it?

Speculation on my part:

I suspect the problem isn't finding funding for a sculpt, but to ensure sculpts are made of stuff that will sell beyond just the extremely tiny group of people who fund the sculpt. So a straight up popularity poll is the only viable method.
What good is it if you can instantly fund three different 'Mechs, if the grand total number of customers you'll ever have for them is 1? Especially when that "1", starts out with a huge pile of credit he can then apply against those new sculpts? Even if we presume IWM suffers no costs beyond getting the sculpt made, it seems like a great way for IWM to be wasting its limited production resources on stuff that is not economically interesting.

So, bottom line: I assume that finding funding for a sculpt is FAR less interesting than finding sculpts that are popular.

Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Cache on 18 February 2015, 19:20:39
A note to everyone trying to redeem your vouchers: The first time through I clicked the link in the email I received, logged in, and then was redirected to the front page of the store.  There was nothing about the code being redeemed.  I had to log into the IWM online store first, then click the link in the email.  I was then directed to a page saying redemption was successful and the Shopping Cart widget in the upper right of the screen showed the voucher balance.  (The FAQ in the online store (http://ironwindmetals.com/store/gv_faq.php?faq_item=4) appears to be directed at those who do not already have an account.)  You can redeem through the checkout process by entering the code, as the FAQ states, but I'm not ready to order and wanted to make sure it works.  If you redeem prior to placing your order, there is a third payment option when ordering that states, "to be used from Gift Vouchers."
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: mike19k on 19 February 2015, 10:23:46
Speculation on my part:

I suspect the problem isn't finding funding for a sculpt, but to ensure sculpts are made of stuff that will sell beyond just the extremely tiny group of people who fund the sculpt. So a straight up popularity poll is the only viable method.
What good is it if you can instantly fund three different 'Mechs, if the grand total number of customers you'll ever have for them is 1? Especially when that "1", starts out with a huge pile of credit he can then apply against those new sculpts? Even if we presume IWM suffers no costs beyond getting the sculpt made, it seems like a great way for IWM to be wasting its limited production resources on stuff that is not economically interesting.

So, bottom line: I assume that finding funding for a sculpt is FAR less interesting than finding sculpts that are popular.

I am sure there is something to this, but at the same time, in my local group (of about 10-12) most of them have a hand full of mechs (between 1-12) but three of them have hundreds most have been playing for about the same time, but are not buying at the same level. If you asked all of them what they would like to see whose voice should carry the most weight? Those who buy a mech every year to year and a half or the ones who buy several every month? There is no perfect way, just trying to show the other side of the coin.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Hythos on 20 February 2015, 12:28:22
Grr!
I've only just now found out about these! :(
Has there been an announcement I may have missed?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GRUD on 20 February 2015, 19:58:56
Grr!
I've only just now found out about these! :(
Has there been an announcement I may have missed?
Apparently so!   :D


Don't worry bud!  There are still 4 more that will need Funding for this Quarter alone, and it looks like there will be more to come this year!  You'll have a chance to jump in the pool.   O0

Even if you don't help Fund something, you can still Support it later by buying one or two or four once they're released of course.   ;)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: klarg1 on 10 April 2015, 13:13:13
Are the polls still running on a per-quarter basis?

I am pumped about the successes we saw with the first round of funding (and am warming up my wallet for all three financed choices), but I can't help but notice that we are already 10-days into Q2, with a significant backlog still ahead.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 10 April 2015, 13:26:32
Are the polls still running on a per-quarter basis?

I am pumped about the successes we saw with the first round of funding (and am warming up my wallet for all three financed choices), but I can't help but notice that we are already 10-days into Q2, with a significant backlog still ahead.

A new round of suggestion and poll will not happen until the first is completely funded and sculpted. We are seeing how it plays out to make adjustments for the next round.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TigerShark on 10 April 2015, 13:41:48
Speculation on my part:

I suspect the problem isn't finding funding for a sculpt, but to ensure sculpts are made of stuff that will sell beyond just the extremely tiny group of people who fund the sculpt. So a straight up popularity poll is the only viable method.
What good is it if you can instantly fund three different 'Mechs, if the grand total number of customers you'll ever have for them is 1? Especially when that "1", starts out with a huge pile of credit he can then apply against those new sculpts? Even if we presume IWM suffers no costs beyond getting the sculpt made, it seems like a great way for IWM to be wasting its limited production resources on stuff that is not economically interesting.

So, bottom line: I assume that finding funding for a sculpt is FAR less interesting than finding sculpts that are popular.


Popular =/= profitable. We still have a boat load of folks playing 3025. So they could vote with nostalgia goggles, then turn around and just use the plastics from their accumulated boxed sets. Saying, "I'm a fan of the Thunderbolt" doesn't mean "I'm going to buy 12 Thunderbolt minis." A straight poll which doesn't ensure actual, financial participation isn't really going to show what is/is not profitable.

I know we covered this before, but a "pay-to-vote" could also be helpful. Pony up $15 for a vote, which translates into store credit for IWM. Funds get applied to the top [3] winners of the poll. Anyone who doesn't pay probably wasn't going to anyhow, as that's a tiny amount of money and basically covers a single mini at the store anyhow.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Paul on 10 April 2015, 14:12:12
The objective isn't to ensure funding for a sculpt, it's to ensure it sells well.
The ability to find ~10 guys to fund a sculpt is not good data, so the pay option provides even less data on potential sales than the popular vote. Meanwhile, it adds yet another layer of work, and things to go wrong.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GRUD on 10 April 2015, 17:57:31
At last count, I own 52 T-Bolts of various sculpts.  Of those, 19 are Unseen, then I've got 4 each of the Primitive, IIC, and 3 different "Fan Sculpts", then 2-3 of all the other Reseen sculpts.  I might not buy "12" of any particular 'Mech, but if it's one I like well enough, I'll most likely buy 4 of them.  I plan to buy 4 of the Primitive Rifleman, plus 2-4 of the Primitive Griffin.

Having to "Pay" to vote is pure BS, plain and simple.  If something someone likes doesn't win enough votes in any given Poll, "Them's the Breaks".  I don't buy any "Collectible" garbage because I want to buy what I want, NOT trust to the Luck of the draw.  I'm not about to pay someone $10.00-$15.00 so I can stick my hand in a hole cut into the top of a box, and blindly grope around for a blister, with the Hopes that it's something I actually want.  Of the 3 'Mechs I voted for, 2 of them were in the top 6, and I donated money to each of them.  I WON'T be "Forced" to pay MY money to have another Variant of an existing mini made, OR a Resculpt of an existing mini.  (OR a Re-re-resculpt!)  Unless I like the looks of it, I also won't pay to have any Clan mini sculpted.  There are minis that I won't fund that I'll still Probably end up buying.  I know I'll get at least 2 blisters of the APCs, or whatever it takes to get me 2 of each mini.  I buy minis I like the looks of, Period.  There is NO WAY I'll "Pay" to vote if there's the Slightest chance my money will go to some garbage I'll never buy.


As far as I remember, all the primitives have been of formerly unseen types, except for the Xanthos, which, while I am not 100 thrilled with it's sculpt (LEGS! WHY ALWAYS THE LEGS?!), we hardly need a new sculpt for that version.

I just remembered, another "Non Unseen" Primitive is the Banshee BNC-1E.   O0
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 10 April 2015, 18:20:51
At last count, I own 52 T-Bolts of various sculpts.  Of those, 19 are Unseen, then I've got 4 each of the Primitive, IIC, and 3 different "Fan Sculpts", then 2-3 of all the other Reseen sculpts.  I might not buy "12" of any particular 'Mech, but if it's one I like well enough, I'll most likely buy 4 of them.  I plan to buy 4 of the Primitive Rifleman, plus 2-4 of the Primitive Griffin.

Having to "Pay" to vote is pure BS, plain and simple.  If something someone likes doesn't win enough votes in any given Poll, "Them's the Breaks".  I don't buy any "Collectible" garbage because I want to buy what I want, NOT trust to the Luck of the draw.  I'm not about to pay someone $10.00-$15.00 so I can stick my hand in a hole cut into the top of a box, and blindly grope around for a blister, with the Hopes that it's something I actually want.  Of the 3 'Mechs I voted for, 2 of them were in the top 6, and I donated money to each of them.  I WON'T be "Forced" to pay MY money to have another Variant of an existing mini made, OR a Resculpt of an existing mini.  (OR a Re-re-resculpt!)  Unless I like the looks of it, I also won't pay to have any Clan mini sculpted.  There are minis that I won't fund that I'll still Probably end up buying.  I know I'll get at least 2 blisters of the APCs, or whatever it takes to get me 2 of each mini.  I buy minis I like the looks of, Period.  There is NO WAY I'll "Pay" to vote if there's the Slightest chance my money will go to some garbage I'll never buy.


I just remembered, another "Non Unseen" Primitive is the Banshee BNC-1E.   O0

first of all; Man I feel A LOT better about my collection now, thank you and also; Awesome! (your collection, not the mech, though I am sure you have many of those as well)

I agree with all your other statements as well.

Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: mike19k on 11 April 2015, 02:28:37
I do not think that is any way to solve this so that everyone is happy. I for one do not want to see re-sculpts tell everything has a first sculpts, and unlike GRUD I place the Primitive in the class of re-sculpts. Now I am not knocking the re-sculpts as some of them are very nice and I have bought some of them, but I would just rather have new over different version of the same.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: klarg1 on 11 April 2015, 08:39:04
I would agree that nobody should be forced to fund something they don't actually want. This whole process is a volunteer effort. Hopefully, the backers, the other BT fans and IWM will all win in the end.

Resculpts are not my thing, but they clearly have a following. On the other hand, unlike Mike19k, I like a lot of the primitives in their own right. Right now, we are funding a bunch of stuff I want, but I won't complain when the poll shifts the other way and something else gets picked. I will simply assume that another segment of the fan base will be happy, and that's still good.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Jal Phoenix on 11 April 2015, 12:09:43
You guys talk about being "forced" to fund as if you're not getting anything else out of the deal.  You are getting a full credit to the IWM store for your donation.  Your entire investment is compensated, no matter what ends up getting funded.  Behrle gets paid the full amount, so he's compensated.  If anyone gets the short end it's IWM, because even though they get a discount on the cost of producing a mini by essentially paying in material and labor instead of cash, they are still investing resources to make something that may not ever sell enough units to cover that cost.  I don't see why they would agree to fund something that they have as yet determined unworthy of being made through the usual channels.  If a resculpt results in a superior mini than the existing one, and hance more sales, I'll gladly back that over a sculpt of a unit only a few people want.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 11 April 2015, 13:29:02
The fanbase needs to learn to discriminate between small foul-ups and serious flaws. Part of our strength as a fandom is how we tell TPTB exactly what we want; sure a lot of us would like an ideal version of our favourite mechs and there may well be an appetite out there for endless revisions of some designs until we get it "right enough", but I don't feel it's constructive and a moderate approach is needed.

Some things do "need" to be fixed, cause they're awful. Just which those are is open to debate.

"Scale" is a huge issue for some people and there seem to be a number of people who don't care for a single new mini until we have a  current line which is in scale from one end to the other and they sure as all-getout do not one one single new mini released which is out of what they consider the proper scale.

The scale issue needs to be addressed in a final and non-fuzzy sense by TPTB in a way with is concrete, if not universally satisfying and it needs to address rules, fluff and minis in one statement.

Ultimately we need to draw the line.

In my opinion what is needed is a triage for the most egregious scale and other sculpting issues and to stop the bleeding with a better vetting process for new minis. We don't always want something which is a perfect match for the art either. The Primitives can be a compromise between new minis and re-sculpts, ditto some "variant" sculpts; look how happy people are with the new Zeus for instance. Once we have this general understanding in place we can reach a satisfying compromise between resculpts and new minis, but need need both and, frankly I feel it needs to lean heavily towards the new stuff, but that is my opinion and I do not count primitives as resculpts.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: mike19k on 12 April 2015, 13:41:38
You guys talk about being "forced" to fund as if you're not getting anything else out of the deal.  You are getting a full credit to the IWM store for your donation.  Your entire investment is compensated, no matter what ends up getting funded.  Behrle gets paid the full amount, so he's compensated.  If anyone gets the short end it's IWM, because even though they get a discount on the cost of producing a mini by essentially paying in material and labor instead of cash, they are still investing resources to make something that may not ever sell enough units to cover that cost.  I don't see why they would agree to fund something that they have as yet determined unworthy of being made through the usual channels.  If a resculpt results in a superior mini than the existing one, and hance more sales, I'll gladly back that over a sculpt of a unit only a few people want.

I can see your point, and think that there is some validity to it, my hope is that they will sell. At least with the APC what I am hearing is that they will sell, how much and for how long I could not say but I know that I am planing on buying a bunch.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GRUD on 13 April 2015, 06:38:06
You guys talk about being "forced" to fund as if you're not getting anything else out of the deal.  You are getting a full credit to the IWM store for your donation.  Your entire investment is compensated, no matter what ends up getting funded.

Full Credit or not, if I'm "Forced" to PAY to Vote, but something I don't like and will NEVER buy wins, then I'm going to be mad as HELL.  So NO, MY "Investement" will NOT be "Compensated".  Am I going to take a chance on that happening?  No.

I will help fund anything I vote for, but not something I DON'T vote for.  As I've said though, I'll buy some things that other people Vote for, IF I like the looks of them.  Like mike19k, I plan on buying the new APCs, even though I neither voted for them OR helped fund them.  (I don't know if he did either one or not though.)  I know I'm WeiRd because I like to spend MY money on what I want.   ::)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 13 April 2015, 06:43:25
I think it's time to return this thread to questions about how the Fan Finance 2.0 program actually is being run. Not other proposed possible scenarios. The program will continue to run that it already has with one or two minor tweaks for the next suggestion / poll threads.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: DarkISI on 13 April 2015, 09:14:20
Do you already know if you want to stick to 'Mechs for the second one or will you open it up. Still very much interested in funding BAs :)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 13 April 2015, 09:57:06
Do you already know if you want to stick to 'Mechs for the second one or will you open it up. Still very much interested in funding BAs :)

There will be one or two additional unit types added for the next suggestion / poll.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: DarkISI on 13 April 2015, 10:45:41
There will be one or two additional unit types added for the next suggestion / poll.

Looking forward to it :)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 13 April 2015, 13:59:48
There will be one or two additional unit types added for the next suggestion / poll.

Sweet action!
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Baron RedSkull on 13 April 2015, 14:00:07
There will be one or two additional unit types added for the next suggestion / poll.

 [applause] [applause] [applause]
Hoping for some BA and Aerotech.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 14 April 2015, 10:41:30
Just to toss this out there, but what are people's thoughts on deliberately-typed infantry models? for example; 3085 Sup gives us a bunch of new infantry platoons. Does anyone care to have all these represented as accurately as may be done at that scale by minis?
[applause] [applause] [applause]
Hoping for some BA and Aerotech.

oh yes please. I need the rest of the fighters.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 14 April 2015, 11:05:34
A bunch of 3085 infantry have already been done.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: qc mech3 on 14 April 2015, 18:00:14
True and they are excellent casts (at least the ones I own  ^-^). We still need some Liao and Steiner ones to really represent all Houses.

The mine dropper from House Liao and maybe the Steiner HALO trooper come to mind here...  ;) 
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Jal Phoenix on 14 April 2015, 21:13:09
Don't forget the mercenary scout infantry.  I don't have enough pewter hippy chicks the size of my little fingernail.   ^-^
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 14 April 2015, 21:22:58
True and they are excellent casts (at least the ones I own  ^-^). We still need some Liao and Steiner ones to really represent all Houses.

The mine dropper from House Liao and maybe the Steiner HALO trooper come to mind here...  ;)

And wasn't that just the strangest, most complicated way to lay mines you ever saw?

But I guess a guy with a shovel, modeled with an empty wooden box wouldn't be quite as exciting.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Bartholomew bartholomew on 14 April 2015, 21:41:59
Don't forget the mercenary scout infantry.  I don't have enough pewter hippy chicks the size of my little fingernail.   ^-^

I would fund those. A beach party battalion!  :D
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GRUD on 15 April 2015, 04:52:01
Just to toss this out there, but what are people's thoughts on deliberately-typed infantry models? for example; 3085 Sup gives us a bunch of new infantry platoons. Does anyone care to have all these represented as accurately as may be done at that scale by minis?

Speaking as someone that's more of a Collector than anything (I've painted TWO minis since '86, and rarely play anymore), I see infantry minis as a waste of time and effort on the sculptor's part.   :-\  Aside from the ones that are Extremely Obviously Different, I don't see the point in having "Liao Infantry" versus "Kurita Infantry" versus "Davion Infantry".  Things like the AA Jump, Branth (aka "Aerial Beast"), Recon, and VTOL Infantry all look different enough.  All the others just look like a little guy with a helmet and a gun.   :-\  With something less than 1/4th of an inch tall, how much detail can you put on one of them anyway?  If they were all done in 28mm, then more detail could be added, and that would better set them apart from "Standard" grunts.  Granted, I still wouldn't buy them, but I wouldn't look at them as a "drain" on a sculptor's time like I feel the current tiny ones would be.  If they get around to doing infantry, I Hope it's after all the 'Mechs and vees (air and ground) have been done.

Something MORE Important to consider though, is How Well they Sell.  Or, How Poorly.   :-\  The Kurita infantry (AR20-823) are Archived for a reason, though the Davion Infantry (20-824) are Obviously still selling well enough to keep them out of the Archives.  All the others are Online Only, so who knows if they would be Archived otherwise?  EVERY BT mini sells for at least a little while, but would the "new" infantry minis sell well enough to even justify being produced to begin with?   ???



On a Personal Note, I can't help but look at the "Beast Mounted Infantry" in TRO: 3085 and think of the old Ralph Bakshi movie Wizards!   :D  Being a Pern Lover, I'm Heavily considering buying a Branth (on ground), and asking a friend to paint it to look like Ruth for me!   :D
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: mike19k on 15 April 2015, 10:04:20
Speaking as someone that's more of a Collector than anything (I've painted TWO minis since '86, and rarely play anymore), I see infantry minis as a waste of time and effort on the sculptor's part.   :-\  Aside from the ones that are Extremely Obviously Different, I don't see the point in having "Liao Infantry" versus "Kurita Infantry" versus "Davion Infantry".  Things like the AA Jump, Branth (aka "Aerial Beast"), Recon, and VTOL Infantry all look different enough.  All the others just look like a little guy with a helmet and a gun.   :-\  With something less than 1/4th of an inch tall, how much detail can you put on one of them anyway?  If they were all done in 28mm, then more detail could be added, and that would better set them apart from "Standard" grunts.  Granted, I still wouldn't buy them, but I wouldn't look at them as a "drain" on a sculptor's time like I feel the current tiny ones would be.  If they get around to doing infantry, I Hope it's after all the 'Mechs and vees (air and ground) have been done.

Something MORE Important to consider though, is How Well they Sell.  Or, How Poorly.   :-\  The Kurita infantry (AR20-823) are Archived for a reason, though the Davion Infantry (20-824) are Obviously still selling well enough to keep them out of the Archives.  All the others are Online Only, so who knows if they would be Archived otherwise?  EVERY BT mini sells for at least a little while, but would the "new" infantry minis sell well enough to even justify being produced to begin with?   ???



On a Personal Note, I can't help but look at the "Beast Mounted Infantry" in TRO: 3085 and think of the old Ralph Bakshi movie Wizards!   :D  Being a Pern Lover, I'm Heavily considering buying a Branth (on ground), and asking a friend to paint it to look like Ruth for me!   :D

I can not say how they are selling, but I am working on my 7th Crucis Lancers RCT right now, I have the mechs for the most part and next is my infantry. Right now I only have about one regiment of Infantry, so having more options would be nice. Most of them are going to be PBI, with just a platoon here and there of BA.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Baron RedSkull on 15 April 2015, 13:05:19
Speaking as someone that's more of a Collector than anything (I've painted TWO minis since '86, and rarely play anymore), I see infantry minis as a waste of time and effort on the sculptor's part.   :-\

If at the end of the day, B3 is getting paid and the people get a sculpt they want, then how is that a waste of B3's time and effort?

EVERY BT mini sells for at least a little while, but would the "new" infantry minis sell well enough to even justify being produced to begin with?   ???

If enough people express interest in them, then why not? It's difficult to predict exactly how well a product will do until you start selling it.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GRUD on 15 April 2015, 13:47:03
If at the end of the day, B3 is getting paid and the people get a sculpt they want, then how is that a waste of B3's time and effort?

If you'd bothered to read my Entire post, you'd see why I think that.  I feel his time could be Better spent on sculpting 'Mechs or vees, rather than Niche minis.


If enough people express interest in them, then why not? It's difficult to predict exactly how well a product will do until you start selling it.

I'm sure someone at IWM could tell us how well (or not) infantry minis sell.  Again, with them being a Niche mini, I doubt they sell NEARLY as well as 'Mechs or even ground vehicles.



Why is it that, even AFTER I Clearly explain my reasons about a topic on this site, someone comes along and asks me to explain them Again?   [metalhealth] [metalhealth]
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: mike19k on 15 April 2015, 15:48:30
If you'd bothered to read my Entire post, you'd see why I think that.  I feel his time could be Better spent on sculpting 'Mechs or vees, rather than Niche minis.


I'm sure someone at IWM could tell us how well (or not) infantry minis sell.  Again, with them being a Niche mini, I doubt they sell NEARLY as well as 'Mechs or even ground vehicles.



Why is it that, even AFTER I Clearly explain my reasons about a topic on this site, someone comes along and asks me to explain them Again?   [metalhealth] [metalhealth]
Because reading is hard, it is just so easy to jump to conclusion's that I want it to be. ;D
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Bartholomew bartholomew on 15 April 2015, 18:03:36
Every battletech miniature is a niche mini. The height of popularity for this game was the late eighties. Maybe people will come around to it again. Hopefully.

I am sure the new boxed set helped.

Fan funding is for what the fans want. If they thought they would sell well them they would fund and make these mini's themselves. After all they are doing around a dozen new ones this year out of their own pocket.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Trace Coburn on 17 April 2015, 06:52:30
  [copper]
  Ahem.  Ladies and gentlemen, some tempers in this thread have been getting a little overheated in the last couple of days.  If everyone here would kindly step back from their keyboards and take a deep breath, the Moderators would appreciate it.  Rules #1 and #3 exist for sound reasons, and the Mods don’t enjoy handing Warnings — or bans — to people anymore than those people enjoy getting them.
  [copper]
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: txMaddog on 18 April 2015, 13:05:05
What date does the Second Quarter Suggestion post start on??  Want to make sure I don't miss it. :)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 18 April 2015, 20:08:03
What date does the Second Quarter Suggestion post start on??  Want to make sure I don't miss it. :)

Will happen sometime after all of the Minis that won from first poll get funded and sculpted.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: cavingjan on 19 April 2015, 16:23:43
Is that a change or did I misunderstand that badly? Regardless of that answer, can we drop the quarterly potion from the name? It will be confusing. Just call it round 1, 2, etc.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 19 April 2015, 16:25:19
Is that a change or did I misunderstand that badly? Regardless of that answer, can we drop the quarterly potion from the name? It will be confusing. Just call it round 1, 2, etc.

Yeah was thinking of doing that. Will do the edits later tonight.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: The Wayfarer on 20 April 2015, 18:30:36
Sir,

How long will a funding thread stay open once donations start?  Is there an expiration date on the ability to fund a sculpt before moving onto the next unit on the list?  Or does the thread stay open indefinitely?

For instance, mech "NAME HERE" is up for funding.  After three weeks only $125 has been solicited for its sculpt.  When do we call it quits and move onto the next sculpt?

Thanks.

Mike
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 20 April 2015, 19:29:15
Sir,

How long will a funding thread stay open once donations start?  Is there an expiration date on the ability to fund a sculpt before moving onto the next unit on the list?  Or does the thread stay open indefinitely?

For instance, mech "NAME HERE" is up for funding.  After three weeks only $125 has been solicited for its sculpt.  When do we call it quits and move onto the next sculpt?

Thanks.

Mike

Nothing is set in stone, since it has not happened yet we have not set a timeframe. If it does come up then it will depend on amount raised and how much time has passed.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 20 April 2015, 20:05:02
Since we are working with a list compiled with input from Fans who are interested in funding these, I doubt we will encounter an instance of failure to fund.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Azakael on 21 April 2015, 15:10:38
Retailer "Q"
- Are fan-funded 'Mechs (or even vehicles) going to be Online Store Exclusive, or will there be a chance that these might sneak into standard distribution?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: DarkISI on 21 April 2015, 15:26:54
Online Exclusives. But I know Shops who carry those, so it is possible to get them in a store.
You would need to contact IWM directly, though, as far as I understand how that works.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 21 April 2015, 15:54:13
Retailer "Q"
- Are fan-funded 'Mechs (or even vehicles) going to be Online Store Exclusive, or will there be a chance that these might sneak into standard distribution?

Most are Online Exclusive but some could be distro releases.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 22 April 2015, 02:41:00
Retailer "Q"
- Are fan-funded 'Mechs (or even vehicles) going to be Online Store Exclusive, or will there be a chance that these might sneak into standard distribution?

As a Purveyor of fine IWM pewter miniatures, yes retailers can get Online Store Exclusives for you. I deal directly with IWM and it is not a problem at all. However, if your FLGS deals through a distributor I could see that it may be a bit more problematic with middle-men involved.

I am Australia-based so it is probably not economical for me to assist many of you. However, may I suggest that if your FLGS is unable to assist you then please consider getting in touch with Derek (aka Dragon41673 (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/profile/?u=57991)) from Aries Games & Miniatures, I believe he may be able to assist.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: jimdigris on 25 May 2015, 09:03:15
When we re-sculpt the Flashman, will we be doing the entire mini, or just the arms?  Most complains center entirely on the arms.  If we keep the rest of the original sculpt, then the time and costs associated with the funding should be small.  I might even finance the entire thing myself.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Savage Coyote on 25 May 2015, 15:00:19
Honestly I was hoping to get the legs more inline with the art I've already posted.  I've always felt the torso got bulbus as it went up (the miniature anyway) and some of the other art makes it more even?  dunno.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: klarg1 on 29 May 2015, 10:21:03
The last time I built a Flashman, I moved the spot where the hips join the body (This took a lot of cutting and filing). I wanted the torso to sit further back, between the legs, rather than way out in front.

I'm curious how other people think of the arrangement.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Savage Coyote on 29 May 2015, 10:57:42
(http://camospecs.com/images/schemes/60_ogre_gencon_diorama_2010_LOM_flashman_left.jpg)

(http://www.solaris7.com/images/TRO/BattleMechs/TRO3039/Flashman%203039.jpg)

(http://www.solaris7.com/files/members/69/Flashman_3025.jpg)

(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/a/a9/Flashman.jpg/191px-Flashman.jpg)

I feel like the first image is what we have now and that the art was based on the miniature as much as anything.  It has the skinny ankles, bulbous torso (aka, egghead,) and arms that lack lower or upper actuators that is somewhat mitigated IMHO in the other two pictures.  Also has the "SRM-4/AMS/ML/some box with four holes in it."  Not sure what that is and I'm not sure if any of the older units 7K/8K units match that... thing... in stats.

I like the look of either of the second two pictures.  The third image is closer to the current miniature/art but it (and it might be the point of view) appears to be a little shorter than the miniature (which looks a little elongated to me at times.  Anyway, I just wanted to avoid having the first image as the model and try to breath a little more life into an admittedly oddball.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TigerShark on 29 May 2015, 11:16:41
The second and third aren't very good either, especially if the nostalgia goggles are taken away. The art for the Flashman is just flat-out not very good. This is something (IMO) that's going to require a re-re-re-sculpt as soon as someone makes another Dark Age variant or makes an entry into one of the newer TROs.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Weirdo on 29 May 2015, 12:07:07
My ideal would be the second art pic from the waist down, and the third art pic from the waist up.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GRUD on 29 May 2015, 12:48:46
While I won't be kicking any money towards a Resculpt, why not drop the Jump Jets from the legs when it gets done, since no Variant has them?   ???  Well, no Variant I have in HMP has them anyway.  But still the Original -8K certainly doesn't, and that's what the Original mini was based on after all.  That will help reduce those HUGE calves, and keep the ankles from looking so thin by comparison.   O0

Going by the 1st and 3rd pics posted by Savage Coyote, as well as the pic of the mini he posted, it is Quite Obvious to ME that the "Calves" are actually Jump Jets.  Sure, it won't match the Art, but it WILL match the Design.   O0


Just my 2 cents, which is all I'll apply towards Funding a Resculpt.   :D
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TigerShark on 29 May 2015, 13:29:20
While I won't be kicking any money towards a Resculpt, why not drop the Jump Jets from the legs when it gets done, since no Variant has them?   ???  Well, no Variant I have in HMP has them anyway.  But still the Original -8K certainly doesn't, and that's what the Original mini was based on after all.  That will help reduce those HUGE calves, and keep the ankles from looking so thin by comparison.   O0

Going by the 1st and 3rd pics posted by Savage Coyote, as well as the pic of the mini he posted, it is Quite Obvious to ME that the "Calves" are actually Jump Jets.  Sure, it won't match the Art, but it WILL match the Design.   O0

Just my 2 cents, which is all I'll apply towards Funding a Resculpt.   :D


They're not really jump jets so much as cowls for the legs. The "knee joint" is in the rear, so locomotion is more like the hind legs of a horse than the flexion of a human knee. That's in the original art. The later art from TRO:3025R changed this interpretation, inverting the knee joint but keeping the shape of the cowl over the ankle joint.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: GRUD on 29 May 2015, 21:59:18
I'm not sure why they would have "Sampled" horse anatomy for a bipedal design.  Plus, I can't think of another design that has "Jump Jet Calves", but doesn't actually Jump.  Between the mini and the 2nd pic that Savage Coyote posted, you can Clearly see the articulation at the back of the knee.  There's no need for the "knee joint/articulation" to extend down behind the back of the leg.

Of the artwork:
Pic One has what would be rounded Jump Jets on any design that actually jumps.  Even the bottom part has the lines going vertically, like is so common on other JJ equipped designs.  From the artwork, they Appear to be a separate piece that is attached to the back of the leg.
In Pic 3, you can see an opening in the one on the LL, and this same style is used on the mini.  As with the ones in the 1st pic, they also appear to be separate pieces.
Pic 2 looks to be wearing "Bell Bottoms", as the back of the "calf" looks to be part of the armor covering the entire leg, rather than an "add-on" piece like the other 2.

(Please pardon my crappy, keyboard "art", used to illustrate my point.  :-[ )

1st and 3rd Pics. L = Leg, C = Calf, A = Ankle
{C}{L}
       A

2nd Pic.
{CL}
    A

I saved all 3 pics that Savage Coyote posted, then deleted the "calves" in MS Paint.  However, I apparently have to "Upgrade" my Browser (IE 9.0.3) in order to access my Imageshack account, and I can't get signed in to my Dropbox account.  My pokey dialup here at home would probably cause upload problems anyway.   #P

Regardless of what gets "Changed" in order to "Improve" the Resculpt, I won't be putting any money towards it.  I feel there are still PLENTY of designs that have yet to see life as a SINGLE mini, much less as a Resculpt.  But since people seem so dead set on Resculpting it, why not make a change that will bring the looks more in line with the Design?   ???  While it won't match any of the above artwork, removing the "Jump Jet Calves" will at least bring it more in line with the actual Design Specs.   O0
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: klarg1 on 05 June 2015, 09:55:53
My ideal would be the second art pic from the waist down, and the third art pic from the waist up.

I like the closer-set cockpit glass from the third picture, but otherwise:  O0

The big thing for me would be to base the legs and hips off of the second pic. (like you suggested) I don't feel anywhere near as strongly about the upper torso and arms.

ETA: Looking more closely, I suppose I like the feet best in the third picture - they have a bit more of an interesting shape than the rectangular feet in the second picture.

I also like the visible shoulder articulation in pictures 1 and 3. (Probably about the only thing I like in picture 1)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Men Shen on 22 June 2015, 22:10:59
Is the blood kite going to be next. Really want a more in scale sculpt
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: cavingjan on 22 June 2015, 23:02:32
The Black Knight is the sixth and final one of this round before we start all over again. (If my memory is correct)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: DarkISI on 23 June 2015, 11:58:32
Your memory is correct.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TigerShark on 23 June 2015, 12:23:05
Is there a new vote coming, or does this continue along the lines of the old list?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Maingunnery on 23 June 2015, 12:26:24
Is there a new vote coming, or does this continue along the lines of the old list?
new vote.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: mdauben on 23 June 2015, 12:38:11
My ideal would be the second art pic from the waist down, and the third art pic from the waist up.
I rather like the second picture overall.  If I had to pick one feature in particular, its the arms.  They shwo much more elbow articulation than either of the other stiff-armed poses do. 
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Baron RedSkull on 23 June 2015, 12:46:44
I rather like the second picture overall.  If I had to pick one feature in particular, its the arms. They show much more elbow articulation than either of the other stiff-armed poses do.

This. I'd prefer if my mechs didn't walk around looking like an old school Frankenstein's Monster.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 23 June 2015, 15:13:15
The Black Knight is the sixth and final one of this round before we start all over again. (If my memory is correct)

Hmmmm. I love the Black Knight. I'll be looking forward to seeing how we can improve it.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 23 June 2015, 15:40:03
Hmmmm. I love the Black Knight. I'll be looking forward to seeing how we can improve it.

it's the black knight "red reaper" from xtro: most wanted

(http://puu.sh/iA4fM/04106c7971.jpg)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TigerShark on 23 June 2015, 16:09:10
new vote.

Blah... Wishing there was another way to go about this. I'd fund the entire thing myself if I could get a Dragoon or Rifleman II. But I have to wait for it to get voted above the Atlas' 4th scuplt or something. :-\
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 23 June 2015, 19:51:32
Tigershark - Nominate them for the Fan Funding Round 2, and you will have my vote. I also get the impression that there a few other likeminded souls who will vote and help fund new sculpts in preference over re-sculpts.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: cavingjan on 23 June 2015, 20:32:12
The old fan funding was more like what you want and it created minis that don't seem to have sold very well. This approach is an attempt to avoid that problem.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Dragon41673 on 23 June 2015, 22:11:05
Blah... Wishing there was another way to go about this. I'd fund the entire thing myself if I could get a Dragoon or Rifleman II. But I have to wait for it to get voted above the Atlas' 4th scuplt or something. :-\

Nice!!!
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Firesprocket on 23 June 2015, 23:29:13
Blah... Wishing there was another way to go about this. I'd fund the entire thing myself if I could get a Dragoon or Rifleman II. But I have to wait for it to get voted above the Atlas' 4th scuplt or something. :-\

You wouldn't be alone.  I'd help fund either.  Prior to the vote I seldom, if ever, paid attention to this portion of the board.  When I realized something was going on the vote was already done and closed.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: BirdofPrey on 24 June 2015, 06:55:40
You wouldn't be alone.  I'd help fund either.  Prior to the vote I seldom, if ever, paid attention to this portion of the board.  When I realized something was going on the vote was already done and closed.
They should announce this stuff.

I don't have any interest in the resculpts people voted for this round, but they had actually been funded before I realized they were up for funding.
I don't want that to happen to a new mini I want comes up in finding.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 24 June 2015, 07:32:45
it's the black knight "red reaper" from xtro: most wanted

(http://puu.sh/iA4fM/04106c7971.jpg)

Oh. Well. Shucks. I'll still chip in money. I recall this guy being very popular when the XTRO came out.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: klarg1 on 26 June 2015, 13:26:58
Tigershark - Nominate them for the Fan Funding Round 2, and you will have my vote. I also get the impression that there a few other likeminded souls who will vote and help fund new sculpts in preference over re-sculpts.

I'm all for new minis.

I voted for some primitives in the first round, but not for any of the dedicated resculpts. I wasn't planning to fund any either, until I saw where B-3 was going with the Flashman. (What can I say, I'm weak.)

I think you have a shot.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 27 June 2015, 20:59:42
I know what you are saying. I could not understand why the fuss and pre-planning for the Highlander resculpt (the existing sculpt is fine in my opinion). However, B-3 started sculpting and now the original sculpt seems to be merely adequate and when I get a Highlander it will probably be the fan-funded resculpt (pending final pricing). It was a privilege to be appointed Lead Fundicator for it.

Edit - fixed typos.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Savage Coyote on 28 June 2015, 16:41:01
I have the master for the new Highlander in hand and am assembling.  Wow.  Like, thats all I can say.  Wow.

I am more about fixing turds or things that can be better.  My dream's a Gunslinger *shrug*

I don't want to take Fan Financing down again with such obscure stuff that five people are going to buy and it's shelved.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: klarg1 on 29 June 2015, 07:03:27
I have the master for the new Highlander in hand and am assembling.  Wow.  Like, thats all I can say.  Wow.

I am more about fixing turds or things that can be better.  My dream's a Gunslinger *shrug*

I don't want to take Fan Financing down again with such obscure stuff that five people are going to buy and it's shelved.

Not that the Gunslinger wouldn't benefit from a little love, but I'm still wishing for a Bellerophon.  :'(

Of course, 2 of my 3 votes from the first round got funded and made, so I can't complain all that much.

My only real concern going forward is that the race to add variant parts will drive up the prices on the fan-funded kits. All that extra mold-making and material costs, and not many people will be happy to pay a 30-50% premium to get them. (Numbers pulled out of thin air - do not take as data!)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Savage Coyote on 29 June 2015, 08:10:26
Well, the 'slinger only has one or two variants that aren't needed as they look nearly identical to each other!  :D

I don't know if it's been clear whether the variant models come with the main unit all as one or if you have to buy the variant pieces like you would Omni variant parts.

I would look at BA from 3145 myself.  I'm hesitant to go after 'mechs from 3145 as I don't want them to end up on an online only basis.  I guess I don't mind waiting for awhile longer for some of them.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: DarkISI on 29 June 2015, 08:30:01
BA and vehicles would be my hope for round 2. Mechs have enough spotlight in the regular IWM releases, what we don't see so much are the other unit types.
I want the Red Kite. Did I ever mention that before? ;)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Baron RedSkull on 29 June 2015, 08:47:44
I want the Red Kite. Did I ever mention that before? ;)

Nope, never heard you say that before.   :D
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TheDean on 29 June 2015, 10:16:52
Sorry if this has been asked before, but with limited time I need to; is this project ongoing. It looks like all the mechs are already funded, I dont want to be late to the party for every model.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Savage Coyote on 29 June 2015, 12:15:22
I THINK the Flashman needs another 25 or 50 to get all the variants "unlocked" and then the thread for the Black Knight will go up to fund.  After that I think there will be a new vote.

Gunslinger, Grey Death Infiltrator BA, Cuchulainn Support BA, and Schildkröte tanks are some I'd love to get done in later rounds :D
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 29 June 2015, 12:48:56
Sorry if this has been asked before, but with limited time I need to; is this project ongoing. It looks like all the mechs are already funded, I dont want to be late to the party for every model.

Yup. There were six items chosen for round 1. The XTRO: Most Wanted "Red Reaper" Black Knight is the final entry of the original six. Sometime in the not-too-distant-future, another round of suggestions followed by a poll to select a new group of fundable projects will follow.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: worktroll on 29 June 2015, 20:18:54
The Gunlinger just needs new arms. Similarly, the Blood Kite could be salvaged with new, longer legs and a better head. The Pillager needs a 3mm insert above the waist, and it's brilliant.

There's stuff that could be "fixed" without needing an entire resculpt. But I don't know what issues may be involved in selling combinations of new & old work - whether royalties etc. would become a problem.

W.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 29 June 2015, 20:47:06
IWM and us fundicators just need to be careful not to contravene the moral rights (http://www.artslaw.com.au/info-sheets/info-sheet/moral-rights/) of the original sculptor if we go down that route with the fan funding.

There was a big court case here in Canberra, Australia a few years ago when they decided to do the extension to the National Gallery of Australia. The original architect did not like the proposed design of the extension and took the Australian Government to court claiming that they impinged his moral rights by modifying his original architectural design for the building. All federal government construction/consultancy contracts now have a clause which has the designers sign over their moral rights to the design as a result of this court case.

Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: worktroll on 29 June 2015, 20:51:54
Thanks Feenix for providing detail on the vague and unspecific recollections I had about that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 29 June 2015, 21:05:17
No problems.

It certainly can be done. Just best to do it with the consent of the original sculptor, which adds an extra level of complexity to the process and then we would have to consider whether it is just easier to do a complete re-sculpt instead.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Savage Coyote on 29 June 2015, 22:15:59
The Gunlinger just needs new arms. Similarly, the Blood Kite could be salvaged with new, longer legs and a better head. The Pillager needs a 3mm insert above the waist, and it's brilliant.

There's stuff that could be "fixed" without needing an entire resculpt. But I don't know what issues may be involved in selling combinations of new & old work - whether royalties etc. would become a problem.

W.

See, I disagree on the 'slinger.

(http://img.masterunitlist.info/BattleMechs/Gunslinger.png)

vs

(http://camospecs.com/images/schemes/1_6thDonegalGunslinger1.JPG)

It's a very tall flat miniature (I own like four... I kind of like it even if I only use it on occasion lol) overall and I've always felt Plogg's reworking of it gave it more beef and also fixed the arms.  Add to the fact that the original is a one piece and would need reworking I'd personally like to see it ground up from the Plogg art.  We've seen amazing resurrections with the Battle Hawk, Huron Warrior, Fireball and Dart (I think?) from 3055 and of course I have the resculpt Highlander in hand and am still cleaning the drool off the table and I'd love to see the same with the 'slinger :)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: worktroll on 29 June 2015, 22:19:55
I confess I'm biased; I quite like the 'bash I did with DA parts, which just replaced the arms. A full resculpt - albeit not looking like it's about to fall backwards - would be great; I was just thinking "along the edge of the box" about how to get more bang for buck.

You want flat, talk to me about the Cerberus ;)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Savage Coyote on 29 June 2015, 22:26:26
Haha, true true.  I trust B-3 to not have a backwards tipping 'slinger.

The Cerberus is pretty flat, though I always thought it worked well enough.  Dunno.  My bias there as I never cared for the ride lol
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 30 June 2015, 11:24:00
The Gunlinger just needs new arms. Similarly, the Blood Kite could be salvaged with new, longer legs and a better head. The Pillager needs a 3mm insert above the waist, and it's brilliant.

There's stuff that could be "fixed" without needing an entire resculpt. But I don't know what issues may be involved in selling combinations of new & old work - whether royalties etc. would become a problem.

W.

I like the idea of doing parts, but I had thought one of the rules was specifically against that?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: worktroll on 30 June 2015, 17:17:00
Probably because of the sort of legal reasons Feenix74 raised. Still, a man can dream ;)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 30 June 2015, 18:42:18
Probably because of the sort of legal reasons Feenix74 raised. Still, a man can dream ;)

Dare to dream Worktroll, dare to dream brother. O0
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TheDean on 30 June 2015, 18:51:26
I will just bide my time for the DFA lord's backing, as I still don't have a clear idea of how the community is approaching the Flashman.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Baron RedSkull on 01 July 2015, 01:24:09
Judging by the conversation in the Flashman thread, it sounds it's going to be a similar process to the Highlander re-sculpt. IAMCLANWOLF is doing the orthos based on inspiration of an amalgamation of the best parts of the various canon art work. It turned out fantastic for the Highlander so I expect the Flashman to turn out just as well. So far I'd say fan Financing has been a great success although in the future, maybe we should call it a semi-annual project instead of a quarterly project.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 01 July 2015, 11:02:47
Judging by the conversation in the Flashman thread, it sounds it's going to be a similar process to the Highlander re-sculpt. IAMCLANWOLF is doing the orthos based on inspiration of an amalgamation of the best parts of the various canon art work. It turned out fantastic for the Highlander so I expect the Flashman to turn out just as well. So far I'd say fan Financing has been a great success although in the future, maybe we should call it a semi-annual project instead of a quarterly project.

The Flashman will be done like the Highlandernad the first draft that IAMCLANWOLF showed me looks awesome!  O0

I agree the Fan Financing 2.0 has been a great success.  It has been slow out of the gate but I expect things to ramp up now that we have streamlined our operation in this first round. 
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 01 July 2015, 11:16:25
I've been really impressed with the level of community cooperation and the fidelity shown to the coolest versions of the models in question.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: wolfshadow on 05 August 2015, 21:41:54
Hi guys.  I need a small, teeny, tiny clarification.  8)  I've read the 2.0 stuff, but still a bit unsure.

So say there is an 800 dollar funding fee for oh I dunno...an Urbanmech doing the moonwalk.  It gets funded.  Those 800 dollars go towards the sculpting, and molds right?  But then after that...it's available to anyone to order online?  Like it's not a limited release, and not only available for a specific window of time etc?

Thanks!

Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 06 August 2015, 00:57:15
Based on the IWM catalogue numbers for the APCs and the Primitive Rifleman (ie they start BT-) they will likely be an IWM webstore online exclusive item but not limited editions or available only for a limited time.

Your friendly local miniature pewter arms-dealer should be able to get them in for you as well (they may have to charge you a little bit extra).
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: wolfshadow on 06 August 2015, 14:56:28
Thank you for the reply! :)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Baron RedSkull on 06 August 2015, 15:33:44
This isn't a question so much as a request, but before we start the round 2 suggestion thread, could we please get an updated release schedule so that we don't waste time suggesting something that's already on the release schedule?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 06 August 2015, 16:05:14
Last time weren't we just given a list of choices? I don't recall a thread where we decided what to vote on. We already have a base of knowledge in the re-sculpt and Not-Done-Yet threads that provides a starting point.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 06 August 2015, 16:24:08
As far as I'm concerned you can start voting on the 6 subjects for the next round.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 06 August 2015, 18:29:21
Wilco. Will do this in the IWM News and Announcements Thread.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 06 August 2015, 18:53:12
I have also some small suggestions I feel may be of interest to the community. I'd like to make a poll, but I don't want this to descend into a war on the subject.

1. Parts. It would of course be up to the community, IWM and B-3, but do we wish to devote some effort to new sculpted parts for current minis to create variants or "fix" otherwise serviceable sculpts?

2. Re-sculpts are always a contemptuous issue; I would propose that no more than half the projects be re-sculpts.

3. Finally, I would like to see the floor opened to other types of minis. So far we have only proceeded with Mech and Vehicle projects. I propose we open the floor to others; such as BA and Aerofighters.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Men Shen on 06 August 2015, 21:10:53
I would suggest a batter Leviathan sculpt. I would easily throw 200 bucks towards that.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Jal Phoenix on 06 August 2015, 21:28:07
I would suggest a batter Leviathan sculpt. I would easily throw 200 bucks towards that.

Only if it also comes with Ghost Bear Clawing ritual cake recipes. 
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Baron RedSkull on 06 August 2015, 21:33:37
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Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: mike19k on 06 August 2015, 22:37:26
I have also some small suggestions I feel may be of interest to the community. I'd like to make a poll, but I don't want this to descend into a war on the subject.

1. Parts. It would of course be up to the community, IWM and B-3, but do we wish to devote some effort to new sculpted parts for current minis to create variants or "fix" otherwise serviceable sculpts?

2. Re-sculpts are always a contemptuous issue; I would propose that no more than half the projects be re-sculpts.

3. Finally, I would like to see the floor opened to other types of minis. So far we have only proceeded with Mech and Vehicle projects. I propose we open the floor to others; such as BA and Aerofighters.

I would much rather see parts to "fix" the other sculpts over re-sculpts. I hope that we will be able to get miniatures for all the old ones that do not have anything yet.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 06 August 2015, 22:54:33
I have also some small suggestions I feel may be of interest to the community. I'd like to make a poll, but I don't want this to descend into a war on the subject.

1. Parts. It would of course be up to the community, IWM and B-3, but do we wish to devote some effort to new sculpted parts for current minis to create variants or "fix" otherwise serviceable sculpts?

2. Re-sculpts are always a contemptuous issue; I would propose that no more than half the projects be re-sculpts.

3. Finally, I would like to see the floor opened to other types of minis. So far we have only proceeded with Mech and Vehicle projects. I propose we open the floor to others; such as BA and Aerofighters.

When we have officially kicked off the Round 2 of Fan Finance later this year there will be another one or two unit types. Plus there will be a limit on re sculpts for the final 6 so that we can have more new items.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 06 August 2015, 22:57:57
Just a general note, when Round one is completed. We will be entering the cool down period so that we can release all of the backlog of web only items before Round 2 is open. When we are close to starting Round 2, we will officially create the Suggestion Thread in this forum. That will happen later this fall per th discussion with Mike before GenCon.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 07 August 2015, 04:46:22
Just a general note, when Round one is completed. We will be entering the cool down period so that we can release all of the backlog of web only items before Round 2 is open. When we are close to starting Round 2, we will officially create the Suggestion Thread in this forum. That will happen later this fall per th discussion with Mike before GenCon.

Sorry Speck, old boy, looks like I stepped in it then.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Men Shen on 07 August 2015, 10:57:07
I think  a Leviathan cake would be great but as for batter do you think it would go chocolate, yellow or marble. I'm betting marble.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 07 August 2015, 13:38:23
Cool down Period "until later this Fall"?!    ??? :o ???


Anyone want commission some sculpting until "late next Fall"?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TigerShark on 07 August 2015, 17:15:28
Cool down Period "until later this Fall"?!    ??? :o ???


Anyone want commission some sculpting until "late next Fall"?

I wants one NOW! >:)

Heh.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Baron RedSkull on 07 August 2015, 17:18:15
Cool down Period "until later this Fall"?!    ??? :o ???


Anyone want commission some sculpting until "late next Fall"?

Sounds like "The Man" is trying to keep you down.   :D
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Maingunnery on 07 August 2015, 17:22:03
I wants one NOW! >:)

Heh.
I thought you wanted more then one.  ;)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 07 August 2015, 19:01:46
Cool down Period "until later this Fall"?!    ??? :o ???


Anyone want commission some sculpting until "late next Fall"?

Just going by what Mike wants to happen so all of the web only items can get released.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Maingunnery on 07 August 2015, 19:44:30
Just going by what Mike wants to happen so all of the web only items can get released.
If you don't mind me asking, what needs to happen for minis to be released?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 08 August 2015, 10:18:33
Just going by what Mike wants to happen so all of the web only items can get released.
It woulda been nice to be in on the conversation instead of finding out here.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 08 August 2015, 11:47:15
I'm sure it was just an honest oversight B-3, don't let it get you down.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 08 August 2015, 12:32:26
I'm good. O0
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: jimdigris on 24 August 2015, 07:56:21
Speck,
  Do you know when the Stalker II, new APCs, and primative Rifleman and Griffin will be in the online store?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 29 August 2015, 11:57:27
Speck,
  Do you know when the Stalker II, new APCs, and primative Rifleman and Griffin will be in the online store?

Starting this week I will be adding new items.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 30 November 2015, 22:21:50
New Suggestion Thread for 1st Quarter 2016 has been opened, Here it is (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=50109.0). We have added Battle Armor and Mech Scale Aerospace Fighters to the original two options of Mechs and Vehicles for this quarter of Fan Funding. We are going to try things a bit differently for 2016 by only doing three at a time for each quarter. Also starting the suggestion and funding thread early so that IWM can work to get them released in the quarter that they are being funded for.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TS_Hawk on 01 December 2015, 02:53:20
Speck you said that the Highlander has been released yet when I go to the website to search for it I only see the sculpts that have been on there for a long while
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 01 December 2015, 02:55:51
Speck you said that the Highlander has been released yet when I go to the website to search for it I only see the sculpts that have been on there for a long while

i think you can only get it through stores at the moment. it's on my FLGS's order list.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TS_Hawk on 01 December 2015, 02:57:53
I am at the IWM Online Store and not seeing it, it should be there as well if its been released?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 01 December 2015, 03:00:59
there's always a lag of a few weeks between when it is released to distributors and when it appears on the webstore
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TS_Hawk on 01 December 2015, 03:10:34
grumbles.. decides to wait for the variants as well then :P
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 01 December 2015, 08:02:15
TS_Hawk - psst . . . your friend Aries should be able to hook you up with a Highlander re-sculpt  }:)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TS_Hawk on 01 December 2015, 16:46:26
having issues trying to get there with my pc. Can only log on via my phone
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 01 December 2015, 23:25:15
Sorry, I cannot help you with that one.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TS_Hawk on 03 December 2015, 14:41:36
jeesh some help you are sir :P
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: xupgrayddx on 31 December 2015, 22:05:01
Out of curiosity what would Assault Dropships in AT2 scale cost to fund? (approx); specifically the Aesir/Vanir and Isegrim.  Would they be along the 500 "vehicle" line or would it be less/more?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 02 January 2016, 11:20:09
What size would the Aesir/Vanir and Isegrim Assault Dropships in AT2 scale be?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: xupgrayddx on 02 January 2016, 12:57:15
Offhand, I would say the Aesir/Vanir (s) are slightly larger than an Overlord C:
http://ironwindmetals.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=3820 . Looking at the art its kind of like a bigger Overlord C with the nose cut off.  Its mass is listed as 18,000 tons...so big...The Excalibur (IS) at 16,000 tons is the closest reference i can find, size wise.

The Isegrim I would say is probably more along the lines of the Leopard but bulked out a bit; I don't get the impression that it is nearly as big as the Aesir/Vanir. It has a mass of 8,500 tons, so smaller than an Arondight (12,000).

Does that help at all?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 02 January 2016, 18:28:33
I'm looking for actual dimensions, 3"/75mm, 9"/225mm, etc.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Maingunnery on 02 January 2016, 19:08:18

I can make some estimates. But there is no fixed scale for AT2, and a linear scale is impractical (see Castrum).

Aesir/Vanir (slightly larger than Overlord C)
Length: 35mm

Isegrim (bulked out Broadsword)
Length: 25mm
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 02 January 2016, 19:20:36
OK, then yes those would be $500 vehicles.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 18 July 2016, 21:51:16
Well, I didn't see a way of starting a new thread so I'll just post in this one.

HEAR YE! HEAR YE!  I need to announce to you all that I'm stepping down as the Sculptor for the Fan Financing 2.0 and the Bakeneko will be my last Mech.  As you may have gathered, I have taken a full time position at a local jewelry store as a custom jewelry designer and will no longer able to sculpt Battletech Mechs and expect to have something resembling a life.  I am naming David Summers as my successor, I'm sure you all know the name and the excellent quality of his sculpting work.  I have discussed this with and gotten approval from Mike Noe at IWM so please give Dave a bit o' time to get settled in and get going.  I know he will do right by you as I have tried to.  Thanks for all of your support, enthusiasm and kind words about my work, it's been fun working with/for you all! 

Cheers!

B-3   
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Firesprocket on 18 July 2016, 22:02:59
Thanks B-3 for your contributions and I wish you continued success with your most recent line of work.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: worktroll on 19 July 2016, 00:44:54
Mr H, you will always hold a very, very special place in my heart for the two Leviathan "maxis" you did for the GenCon launch.

That apart, though, your work on BT minis has been very much appreciated. Good luck in the salaried lane!

W O0
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Feenix74 on 19 July 2016, 06:26:27
Many thanks for your wonderful work on the Fan Financing project Mr Behrle Hubbuch III.

It has been an honour and a privilege to assist you bring to life some extraordinary miniatures.

Good luck, may life bring you love, happiness and prosperity.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 19 July 2016, 07:05:56
B-3, you have done some great work for us. I'm sure Dave will as well.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Spenetrator on 19 July 2016, 13:29:30
Good luck in the future B3. I'm sure you'll boss it.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: TigerShark on 19 July 2016, 16:44:56
Thank you for your contributions! And best of luck in your job. Real life > BT, after all!
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: God and Davion on 19 July 2016, 18:25:25
Good luck!
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: DarkISI on 20 July 2016, 03:28:46
Good luck.
I will miss your skills. Yes, Dave is good. But I have to admit, I love the way your minis are set up for construction. They fit together like Legos.
The Ares minis could have been a real pain in the ass, but you made them the easiest minis I have ever assembled and still some of the most versatile without having to resort to cutting them.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: shadhawk on 20 July 2016, 21:11:16
Good luck sir with you new work  O0
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 20 July 2016, 21:35:35
Thanks for the compliments and good wishes everyone!
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: sadlerbw on 21 July 2016, 19:53:38
Best of luck in the wild world of jewelry! If you don't mind saying, what store are you working at? I end up in Dayton for work occasionally and my wife does enjoy sparkly things!
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 21 July 2016, 23:16:34
Best of luck in the wild world of jewelry! If you don't mind saying, what store are you working at? I end up in Dayton for work occasionally and my wife does enjoy sparkly things!
i

I'm working t James Free Jewelers.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: IAMCLANWOLF on 26 July 2016, 11:19:58
I will miss doing orthos. Again, best of luck to you with your new position, B.
I hope it does well for you. Take care, sir. Onward, and upward!! 
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Baron RedSkull on 26 July 2016, 14:58:10
I will miss doing orthos. Again, best of luck to you with your new position, B.
I hope it does well for you. Take care, sir. Onward, and upward!!

Is someone else doing the orthos?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: DarkISI on 26 July 2016, 15:03:08
Any chance Dave is going to jump in here to explain how he would like to go on from his side? :)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Cache on 26 July 2016, 17:18:44
Is someone else doing the orthos?
Orthos were requested by B-3 because of his sculpting style, to help with accuracy.  2D images don't always translate into 3D well. Unless Dave has changed his style, he doesn't normally use orthos.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Spenetrator on 27 July 2016, 17:18:50
A bit of a daft question for those of you more used to the whole redeeming vouchers process. My cart shows the voucher balance, but doesn't reduce the amount to pay?

Can anyone give me a hand?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 27 July 2016, 21:48:17
A bit of a daft question for those of you more used to the whole redeeming vouchers process. My cart shows the voucher balance, but doesn't reduce the amount to pay?

Can anyone give me a hand?

When you are at check out on the payment page, you select which payment method you want to use (paypal or Credit card) and then also select the Gift Voucher option. If you spend less then gift voucher it will reduce your balance and if you spend more, the different is paid for by which payment method you select.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 27 July 2016, 21:49:22
Any chance Dave is going to jump in here to explain how he would like to go on from his side? :)

I doubt that since he does not have a forum account. After Gen Con will post update for the Fan Finance program with how we will proceed.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Firesprocket on 27 July 2016, 21:53:31
A bit of a daft question for those of you more used to the whole redeeming vouchers process. My cart shows the voucher balance, but doesn't reduce the amount to pay?

Can anyone give me a hand?

There is an option listed that should allow you to deduct the amount from the voucher or credit.  It will show up on a lower line than Pay Pal/Credit card in the payment option fields.  I believe it states Gift Vouchers.  Make certain you have also used the redeem feature to enter your code too.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Spenetrator on 28 July 2016, 01:59:22
Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Maingunnery on 22 September 2016, 14:13:15
I doubt that since he does not have a forum account. After Gen Con will post update for the Fan Finance program with how we will proceed.
Can we start the Suggestion Thread for 2017?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Baron RedSkull on 22 September 2016, 19:55:52
As much as I'd like to see the next round get started, the Bakeneko hasn't been completed yet. It's still up to Speck though.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 23 September 2016, 16:21:16
Can we start the Suggestion Thread for 2017?
+1
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: B-3 on 25 September 2016, 18:37:41
Barring unforeseen circumstances beyond my control, I gleefully anticipate the completion of the Baconecho on Tuesday morning about 2am.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: IAMCLANWOLF on 26 September 2016, 14:01:21
...about 2am."

... :D
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: sadlerbw on 26 September 2016, 15:40:38
That deserves both a 'Woo' and a 'Hoo'! Of course, all the money I pledged to get the stupid cat built has already been spent on other minis so it looks like IWM will be getting even MORE of my money...Sneaky...Very sneaky, IWM!
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 01 October 2016, 00:02:22
Can we start the Suggestion Thread for 2017?

It's on my to do list while I have some downtime this week.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 01 October 2016, 08:30:34
It's on my to do list while I have some downtime this week.

Awesome!
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Maingunnery on 24 October 2016, 18:33:48

Pretty please  :'(
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sellsword on 30 November 2016, 19:59:29
It appears that the fan financing project has stalled. I know battlearmor wasn't on the table the first time around but I'm getting ready to place close to a $200 order with IWM or one of their distributors. I would rather put that money into some Xiphos BA or other sculpt and pick up some new minis for myself. A win for me and the community. Any chance that I can fund some Xiphos?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 30 November 2016, 23:57:57
It seems the next round (Can we stop calling them "Quarters?" Each takes about a year) will begin after some official release or announcement thereof.

We are waiting to clear the Que (sp?) in other words.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 18 December 2016, 16:32:20
I am working on something that I am hoping to post about this week for the Fan Finance program. When I have more details I will post them and will also announce when the next suggestion thread will be open.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 18 December 2016, 17:03:34
I have make some adjustments to the Fan Finance Guidelines, mainly in that the money will be paid directly to IWM PayPal account and then IWM will by the sculptor since we will be using several sculptors going forward. Both Hand and CAD sculptors.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: mike19k on 18 December 2016, 20:22:35
I have make some adjustments to the Fan Finance Guidelines, mainly in that the money will be paid directly to IWM PayPal account and then IWM will by the sculptor since we will be using several sculptors going forward. Both Hand and CAD sculptors.

So what about us who can not/will not use paypal?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 19 December 2016, 09:30:38
So what about us who can not/will not use paypal?

I wish I did have a answer to that, but I do not at this time.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Baron RedSkull on 15 January 2017, 22:47:35
So will there be a Fan Financing 3.0?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Cache on 16 January 2017, 11:27:49
So what about us who can not/will not use paypal?
Find another (PayPal using) financier you trust and work it out with them?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 28 January 2017, 13:07:57
i'd love to see this keep going in any format.

Frankly, if people hate PP, then it shouldn't be too much more a wrinkle to e-transfer to the person organizing a given sculpt and have them pass it one through whatever means.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Dragon41673 on 14 February 2017, 23:05:56
Speck...am I able to use any pledge money I would offer towards my business purchases? If so...I'd fund whole minis myself.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Scotty on 14 February 2017, 23:20:49
Any money contributed during fan financing is distributed as credit for the IWM store.  Or, at least, that's how it worked when I chipped in on the Red Reaper a while back.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 15 February 2017, 09:34:51
Speck...am I able to use any pledge money I would offer towards my business purchases? If so...I'd fund whole minis myself.

That is a grey area that I would need to find out about. Will work on that and let you know.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Dragon41673 on 16 February 2017, 20:46:58
That is a grey area that I would need to find out about. Will work on that and let you know.

Not problem. Thanks!
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: abou on 07 June 2017, 17:23:21
Any chance we could possibly look at BattleTroops/AToW minis?

I've been using a lot of the old AD&D/Chaos Wars minis for my Pathfinder games and I feel it adds a lot to the immersion. The BattleTroops line (I think) is the same scale. If we could include more variety, I think it could help AToW.

Naturally, I totally recognize the financial implications to this. AToW is not extensively played by the fans and a funded line may not have the sales to justify their creation and production. I would hope they would be less costly sculpts to produce, but I honestly don't know enough about the process.

Just an idea to throw out there.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: crusader523 on 17 June 2017, 23:29:06
Any chance we could get something in museum scale and what would it cost to get it fan funded
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Crow on 31 July 2017, 11:12:01
What do I have to do to propose fan financing the Basilisk Quad?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 31 July 2017, 13:52:28
Any chance we could get something in museum scale and what would it cost to get it fan funded

That odds are slim.

What do I have to do to propose fan financing the Basilisk Quad?

Need to get through the current list before adding anything new.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 31 July 2017, 14:56:05
The Bellerophon, Von Rohrs, and DA Catapult (not to be confused with the Catapult II) were voted as the next three in the most recent round. Sometimes an individual will fund a sculpt as well. I don't know of anything like that is currently in the queue (or even possible).
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Stinger on 13 August 2017, 09:02:13
The Bellerophon, Von Rohrs, and DA Catapult (not to be confused with the Catapult II) were voted as the next three in the most recent round. Sometimes an individual will fund a sculpt as well. I don't know of anything like that is currently in the queue (or even possible).

Centurion Omni alt D was funded individually as was the (older) Rifleman III.

Anyone interested should contact speck directly.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Armond on 26 January 2018, 08:01:42
New to this, was the Hobgoblin Protomech ever requested or selected?  Curious to see when Round 1 for 2018 shows up!
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 26 January 2018, 16:20:26
New to this, was the Hobgoblin Protomech ever requested or selected?  Curious to see when Round 1 for 2018 shows up!

It's possible that it was nominated in the 2015 or 2016 preliminary suggestion threads, but it didn't make the final poll.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 26 January 2018, 16:24:03
Now that the CPLT-C2 is out the door, is the Von Rohrs next?

I got a little something something I've been saving to grease the wheels of progress on that front.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Weirdo on 26 January 2018, 16:26:01
Will there be a new poll for 2018?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Maingunnery on 26 January 2018, 16:34:15
On a side note lets drop the round/quarter terms, experience shows that we are only doing one poll a year.  :(

Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Firesprocket on 27 January 2018, 01:07:59
It's possible that it was nominated in the 2015 or 2016 preliminary suggestion threads, but it didn't make the final poll.
Doing a forum search, the only mention of the Hobgoblin in this sub-forum is from today in this thread.  I believe while the topic was broached at one point when the FF resurrection first came up that protos weren't something that was being considered.  Given how little people tend to support or like protos this might be something, should it ever happen, would be a private commission to have it produced.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Greatclub on 05 February 2018, 02:07:32
any chance of a notos? I'd be in.

Also for omnimech upgrade sprues.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 14 February 2018, 19:26:26
Von Rohrs
Von Rohrs
Von Rohrs
Von Rohrs

Please
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Domi1981 on 15 February 2018, 05:01:57
Speck...am I able to use any pledge money I would offer towards my business purchases? If so...I'd fund whole minis myself.

You mean, the discount for the IWM shop?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: klarg1 on 16 February 2018, 11:44:38

Will there be a new poll before we work through the last few winners from the last one?

So below is the that we will go with for this round.

Primitive Wolverine (Dak)
Balac VTOL (Dak)
Hellspawn Resculpt (Stinger)
Bellerophon (Dak)
Catapult CPLT-C2 (Dark Age Catapult) (Stinger)
Von Rohrs (Dak)

I'll admit to being strongly biased, since I'd like a Bellerophon to paint, but mostly, I'm just curious. (Sartris might also be hoping for a new sculpt, but he's too cagey for me to be sure  ;) )
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Luciora on 16 February 2018, 13:13:50
No official word for another poll, but next one up is the Von Rohrs or the Bellepheron, considering everything else is pretty much done now.

Will there be a new poll before we work through the last few winners from the last one?

I'll admit to being strongly biased, since I'd like a Bellerophon to paint, but mostly, I'm just curious. (Sartris might also be hoping for a new sculpt, but he's too cagey for me to be sure  ;) )
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 17 February 2018, 18:31:17
(Sartris might also be hoping for a new sculpt, but he's too cagey for me to be sure  ;) )

I am intensely and illogically invested in finishing the battlemech sculpts from 3075 completed (the von rohrs is the last one)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: bluebomber80 on 18 February 2018, 15:19:59
I am intensely and illogically invested in finishing the battlemech sculpts from 3075 completed (the von rohrs is the last one)

It could be far worse, and you could have this complex with 3055... (Griffin IIC...)

I for one would really like a 3026/3039 Goblin.  Stop looking at me like that.  MY OCD demands it.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 18 February 2018, 17:19:03
the goblin was on the latest poll but didn't garner a ton of support - so at least it's on the radar.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: bluebomber80 on 18 February 2018, 18:38:00
There's so few vehicles left from way back then I'd just love to have them knocked out.  Goblin, Guardian, Ferret, Planetlifter, Engineering Vehicle... I think that's it?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 15 April 2018, 13:49:30
Von Rohrs
Von Rohrs
Von Rohrs
Von Rohrs

Please

Here is the Funding thread (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=61119.0)
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 15 April 2018, 13:51:39
Once we have finished the last two designs from last year we will have a new poll of some kind. depending on how long the Von Rohrs takes to get funded, I want to get the Bellerophon Funding thread up right after that.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Dragon41673 on 29 April 2018, 17:43:18
Ya know...it's awesome to see that you guys funded the Von Rohrs, Bellerophon, and Black Wolf so fast. That just shows how dedicated this group is.

Speck...did you ever discuss with Mike if I can participate in this (even if it's at a higher level of money due to the resller discount) and apply those funds to purchases I make for my store?

Thanks
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 21 May 2018, 23:29:47
Once we have finished the last two designs from last year we will have a new poll of some kind. depending on how long the Von Rohrs takes to get funded, I want to get the Bellerophon Funding thread up right after that.

How does submitting options for the poll work?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 22 May 2018, 21:24:26
How does submitting options for the poll work?

I will open up a suggestion thread like I did last year.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 22 May 2018, 23:17:18
Okay.  Haven't previously paid much attention to fan financing.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: abou on 12 June 2018, 14:01:27
I know it is a bit early, but I want to put this out there and see if it was possible.

I would be very interested in sculpts for the vehicles from Mechwarrior 1st ed. I don't think they would be much to sculpt or produce, but they don't have current canon stats. I would want them to be the standard 'mech-scale. Would the lack of modern stats/record sheets be an impediment?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Dak on 15 June 2018, 01:45:59
Believe it or not, Abou, the whole point of me learning to 3D sculpt was to produce those very same vehicles! I got a little sidetracked with the whole Solaris VII 'Mechs, MilitiaMechs, Primitives, Anzu...

One MW1 vehicle is actually completed (the coolest one imo). I didn't get much farther than that. I don't think the lack of stats are a deciding factor against them so we'll see what happens.

Dak
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 15 June 2018, 10:10:21
There are some really solid fan stats about, which have been made with a variety of rule sets.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Maingunnery on 15 June 2018, 11:58:21

Do the security robots fall under those vehicles?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2018, 12:01:13
if it's these units, yes

http://masterunitlist.info/Source/Details/258
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: abou on 16 June 2018, 01:21:20
Believe it or not, Abou, the whole point of me learning to 3D sculpt was to produce those very same vehicles! I got a little sidetracked with the whole Solaris VII 'Mechs, MilitiaMechs, Primitives, Anzu...

One MW1 vehicle is actually completed (the coolest one imo). I didn't get much farther than that. I don't think the lack of stats are a deciding factor against them so we'll see what happens.

Dak
That is awesome to hear, Dak! If this is a possibility, then let's go!
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: JPArbiter on 24 July 2018, 14:44:25
Are QuadVees on the table in the futre? I am not interested in the whole line, but the Notos and Boreas, as omnis, are desirable
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: MoparMessiah on 11 August 2018, 16:57:04
That is a grey area that I would need to find out about. Will work on that and let you know.

I just read this whole thread and I am still confused.

Why can't I just fund minis myself? 

I have a group that is willing to place an order and in exchange we would like some things sculpted.  Nothing bizarre.

Lets say I order $1300 of stuff from IWM and I ask that the Engineering Vehicle and the Griffin IIC get sculpted. 

Why can't this happen?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: jimdigris on 11 August 2018, 17:06:40
You can.  Speak to Speck.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: klarg1 on 11 August 2018, 17:18:00
I just read this whole thread and I am still confused.

Why can't I just fund minis myself? 

I have a group that is willing to place an order and in exchange we would like some things sculpted.  Nothing bizarre.

Lets say I order $1300 of stuff from IWM and I ask that the Engineering Vehicle and the Griffin IIC get sculpted. 

Why can't this happen?

Hypothetically, IWM might decide they don't have space in the pipeline for those sculpts.

On the other hand, it's been done successfully before, so you should at least ask.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: MoparMessiah on 11 August 2018, 18:39:02
Hypothetically, IWM might decide they don't have space in the pipeline for those sculpts.

On the other hand, it's been done successfully before, so you should at least ask.

I'm asking  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 11 August 2018, 19:33:03
I'm asking  :thumbsup:

A number of online exclusive items over the years have suddenly appeared that we’re independently financed. It’s a great thing to do if you were going to drop $800 with iwm anyway.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: MoparMessiah on 11 August 2018, 23:38:51
A number of online exclusive items over the years have suddenly appeared that we’re independently financed. It’s a great thing to do if you were going to drop $800 with iwm anyway.

Exactly!  I figure we are going to drop the coin anyway so why not see if we move the ball down the field by having them add a missing sculpt.

And I am not taking variants, I'm taking things that are just plain missing. 
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 12 August 2018, 00:06:18
Exactly!  I figure we are going to drop the coin anyway so why not see if we move the ball down the field by having them add a missing sculpt.

And I am not taking variants, I'm taking things that are just plain missing.

YES. PLEASE.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 12 August 2018, 00:27:59
I'm still hoping for a Gunslinger resculpt that I can throw money at.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Stinger on 12 August 2018, 23:21:51
Uh, Speck, if the Griffin IIC does happen, uh, dibs.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 13 August 2018, 09:01:18
I'm still hoping for a Gunslinger resculpt that I can throw money at.

Going to be selective with them in the next suggestion thread if any have interest.

Uh, Speck, if the Griffin IIC does happen, uh, dibs.

Well only okay art to use is the reseen version which has one mini done already for it, so variants are open. If you are asking about the original IIC art the answer is no for a mini.

Are QuadVees on the table in the futre? I am not interested in the whole line, but the Notos and Boreas, as omnis, are desirable
 

I am going to add to next suggestion thread as well.

I'm asking  :thumbsup:

Reach out to me in PM directly to discuss this.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: sadlerbw on 13 August 2018, 13:39:58
Is there a general idea of when we should expect to see a new suggestion thread? I'm not always super-dilligent about keeping up with the IWM sub-forum, and I wouldn't want to miss it.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 13 August 2018, 13:40:52
Is there a general idea of when we should expect to see a new suggestion thread? I'm not always super-dilligent about keeping up with the IWM sub-forum, and I wouldn't want to miss it.

Next month
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: sadlerbw on 16 August 2018, 14:11:32
Does anyone have a link to the thread/post with the list of units without miniatures? I know one was made, but I’m having trouble digging it up with the search function.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 16 August 2018, 14:28:29
I'm not the best at using search, but I couldn't find it. Maybe a casualty of the last hacker raid? I should be sticky IMO.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 16 August 2018, 19:03:37
Does anyone have a link to the thread/post with the list of units without miniatures? I know one was made, but I’m having trouble digging it up with the search function.

I have a list around somewhere. I can post it tomorrow
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 17 August 2018, 18:07:54
IWM Mechs / Vees no minis club. I don't have a list for BA or aerospace. Anything listed as announced excluded from the missing list. The vees list is also missing the XTRO designs (though a lot of them wind up as production variants in PT/3145/3150)

Primitive
Code: [Select]
BattleAxe
Centurion
Commando
Crossbow
Dervish
Eisenfaust
Emperor
Firebee
Gladiator
HawkWolf
Helepolis
Icarus
Mackie
Pathfinder
Xanthos

**the following are unreleased, but the only difference in art between the 3075 art and the XTRO series was how the art was shaded.

Kyudo
Phoenix
Rook
Ymir

Classics
Code: [Select]
Archer
BattleMaster
Crusader
Goliath
Griffin
Locust
Longbow
Marauder
Marauder II
Ostroc
Ostsol
Rifleman
Scorpion
Stinger
Thunderbolt
Warhammer
Wolverine

3085
Code: [Select]
Brahma
Kuma
Parash
Ursus II

3085 Phoenix Mk II
Code: [Select]
Archer 9M
BattleMaster 10S
Goliath 6H
Griffin 4R
Locust 5W2
Longbow 12R
Marauder II 6D
Ostroc 5W
Ostscout 11J
Ostsol 9R
Phoenix Hawk 5L
Rifleman 7X
Scorpion 10M
Shadow Hawk 12C
Stinger 3P
Valkyrie QT2
Warhammer 11T
Wasp 8T
Wolverine 9W2

Griffin IIC 6
Locust IIC 7
Marauder IIC 7
Shadow Hawk IIC 7

Prototypes
Code: [Select]
Apollo 4M
Arbiter
Deep Lord
Hatamoto-Kaeru
Legionnaire 2F
Orion 3-M
Pandarus 1A
Patron
Quickdraw 8P
Sarissa
Spindrift
Thunder C4
Ti Ts'ang DDC
Trebuchet K7R
Ursus 3
Wolf Trap 2B

3145/50
Code: [Select]
Celerity
Cylliaros
Mongrel
Neanderthal
Scourge
Storm Raider
Ursa
Violator

Boreas
Harpagos
Phoenix Hawk L
Raider
Scarecrow
Stalking Spider II
Viking IIC
Yinguochong

3055 Solaris VII
Code: [Select]
Aquagladius
Daedalus
Porcupine
Volkh

XTRO
Code: [Select]
Annihilator 2AX
Anubis 3MC
Atlas 00
Awesome 11M
Awesome 11R
Banzai
Beowulf IIC-PR
Beowulf X-7A
Blade XR
Chameleon 7VQ
Champion LAM
Charger 1X1
Commando Freyr
Cougar XR
Crosscut XX
Daimyo Al-Shahab
Dervish Lightbringer
Devastator X10
Dig Lord
Enforcer 7X
Exterminator 4DX
Exterminator 6CS
Fireball XF
Firestarter 81X
Flea 14
Goshawk II RISC
Grim Reaper Einar
Ha Otoko-HR
Hatamoto-Ku 27W2
Hellspawn Halperin
Hermes II 7S
Highlander 641-X-2
Hoplite 4X
Hornet 181
Hunchback 7S
Huron Warrior RX4
Jackal 1579
Jenner X
Juggernaught R9TX1
Kiso Command
Lament 2D
Liberator
Lich
Matar
Mauler 4X
Merlin SX
Notos
Orca
Osprey 36
Ostscout IIC
Parash 3
Penthesilea 3H
Pompier
Prefect 1C
Rook-X
Ryoken III
Schwerer Gustav
Scorpion LAM
Screamer LAM
Slagmaiden
Spatha X
Stealth 5X
Super Wasp
Temax Cat Ninjabolt
Tessen X-4
Thug 11ECX
UrbanMech R93
Valiant 3E
Valiant JX
Vindicator 3LD
Warlord 2XC
Whitworth 5S
Wight 4NC
Wyvern 5UX
Zeus 6Y

2750 vees
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Cyrano
Nightshade

3025/26/39 Vees
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Engineering Vehicle
Ferret
Goblin
Karnov

3058 Vees
Code: [Select]
Hunter
LRM Carrier
Manticore
SRM Carrier
Warrior

3060 Vees
Code: [Select]
BattleMech Recovery Vehicle
Heavy BattleMech Recovery Vehicle
Flatbed Truck

3075 Vees
Code: [Select]
Crow
MIT 23 MASH
Tamerlane
Saxon APC
Thumper
JI-50

Buffel
Cobra VTOL
Daimyo HQ
Darter
Dromedary
Korvin
Mauna Kea
Paramour
Prometheus Bridgelayer
Sabaku Kaze
Stork

3085
Code: [Select]
Aeron
Balac
Fensalir
Giggins
Kinnol
Manta
Maxim Mk II
Moray
Padilla
Po II
Ranger VV1
Teppo
Trajan
Trireme VTOL
Tufana
Yasha

Prototypes Vees
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Bandit Mk II
Cavalry Infiltrator
Challenger Mk XV
Enyo (ER Pulse)
Fulcrum Hybrid
Garuda
Heavly NLRM Carrier
Hephaestus Jump
Hiryo (Bloodhound)
Hunter Amphibious
Kalki
Lexan
Myrmidon (AI)
Nishikigoi (Koi)
Ontos HEAT
Pegasus (X-Pulse)
Phalanx
Po (HV)
Scorpion Minesweeper
Sea Skimmer (ELRM)
Skulker Mk II
Sokar
Thumper (Angel)
Vedette V7
Vidar
Warrior S-9

3145/50 Vees
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Aesir
Bulwark
Crane
Gossamer VTOL
Hanse MBT
Hasek
Hawk Moth II
JES III
Kamakiri VTOL
Luduan
Manticore II
MHI APC
MHI Defense AA Tank
Paladin
Pixiu
R10 ICV
Shandra
Skadi

Anat
Arrow IV Assault Vehicle
Bardinche
Bishop VTOL
Destrier
DI Multipurpose VTOL
Garrot
Gulltoppr
Gurzil
Hadur
Hexareme HQ
JI2A1 APC
Kelswa
Kite
Kruger
Lamprey
Mamono IFV
Marten VTOL
Nacon
Narukami
Partisan AA
Predator
Red Kite VTOL
Schidokrote
Sekhmet
Sheriff
Shillelagh
Shun VTOL
Skanda
SM2
Sniper Artillery
Sortek
Strix VTOL
Swallow WiGE
Thang-Ta
Winterhawk
Zahn
Zibler

Sourcebooks (incomplete)
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Estevez
Tribune
Praetorian HQ
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 17 August 2018, 19:04:28
You posted the Prototypes vehicles twice instead of the 3145/3150 vees.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 17 August 2018, 22:34:13
You posted the Prototypes vehicles twice instead of the 3145/3150 vees.

So I did!

Basically the answer is “pretty much all of them lack minis”
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Azakael on 18 August 2018, 14:02:56
I need a Buster, a Daedalus, and a Harvester Ant industrial mech for my Brotherhood of Fianna force.
I notice that the VA got left out of the missing minis list...
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 18 August 2018, 15:48:33
I need a Buster, a Daedalus, and a Harvester Ant industrial mech for my Brotherhood of Fianna force.
I notice that the VA got left out of the missing minis list...

yeah, that was in the list of to-dos that never got done. again, the answer is "pretty much all of them"
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: klarg1 on 21 August 2018, 09:26:08
I would very much like to see the 3026 Ferret get a sculpt, but it seems like a likely low priority.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: abou on 21 August 2018, 13:19:27
Can we still get a Banshee with the parts for the S? For some reason, I thought that was discontinued because the left arm was based on the Warhammer. Maybe a replacement arm can be sculpted using the new classic Warhammer arm.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 21 August 2018, 15:35:53
Or a new sculpt based on the art in TRO: Succession Wars (the only piece of new art in the book).
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 21 August 2018, 15:57:23
Here is my best stab at a list of missing Aeros (Mechscale)

2750/3050U

Trident
Swift
Spad
Rogue
Tomahawk
Hellcat II
Ahab

3026

Guardian Fighter
Planetlifter

3039

Angel
Boomerang
Defender
Meteor

3067

Corax
Lancer
Oni
Huscarl

Chaeronea
Issus
Tyre
Ammon
Hydaspes

3075

hellcat
centurion
deathstalker

3085

Poignard
Sagittarii
Morgenstern
Mengqin
Wusun
Ostrogoth

Prototypes

Umbra? (Looks exactly like a Vandal to me)
Wildkatze
Lucifer III
Suzaku
Bullet suicide drone
Drake
Seabuster

3145

Schrack
Cutlass
Simurgh
Koroshiya

3150

Saroyan Jump Bomber
Picaroon
Sternensturm
Yun
Aquila
Rondel
Shikra

other XTROs

Starfire
Star Dagger
Malaika
Persepolis
Vendette medium fighter (uses art from Torrent heavy bomber)
Banshee

other

Bluehawk/Protector (two models as "misc heavy CF"?)
Boeing Jump Bomber
Katya
Raubvogel
Aeshna
Scarab
Tabanid
Blackwasp
Dragonfire
Dragonfly
Firebird
Voidseeker
Voidseeker Interceptor
Voidseeker Striker
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 21 August 2018, 15:58:21
Or a new sculpt based on the art in TRO: Succession Wars (the only piece of new art in the book).

or just a new parts sprue.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: abou on 21 August 2018, 21:29:46
You could do a new sculpt based off the art in TRO: SW, but I don't think it is a particularly good example of the 'mech. A new parts sprue as Beachhead mentioned with the hexagonal SRM-6 launcher, arm lasers, and left arm PPC would work.

EDIT: funnily enough, the original stats don't have lasers in the arm.

I suppose a version of the 'mech that can do the 3E, 3S, and 5S variants would be interesting. But that would be a lot of parts.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 21 August 2018, 21:46:29
We've already got multiple 3E sculpts.  Any new Banshee sculpts should be based on the 3S, 5S, or one of the more resent models that don't have art, like the 8S or 9S.

I'd love a 9S, even if it'd almost certainly be an Online Exclusive.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Weirdo on 21 August 2018, 21:52:33
If the primary guns aren't actually fists, it's not a real Banshee!
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: abou on 21 August 2018, 21:54:46
I imagine with CAD it wouldn't be too hard to do all of them almost like an omnimech. Separate arms would allow easy access to the side torsos, which would then allow basically a plug-n-play of weapons combinations.

1 PPC, 2 PPC, LB-X and more!

But I digress. I'm honestly just interested in the sprue. When the thread opens for suggestions, I am more interested in the MW1st support vehicles than a whole new Banshee.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 21 August 2018, 22:45:50
I imagine with CAD it wouldn't be too hard to do all of them almost like an omnimech. Separate arms would allow easy access to the side torsos, which would then allow basically a plug-n-play of weapons combinations.

1 PPC, 2 PPC, LB-X and more!

But I digress. I'm honestly just interested in the sprue. When the thread opens for suggestions, I am more interested in the MW1st support vehicles than a whole new Banshee.

Imagine how I feel?

I just moved and the movers did a number on my minis; every. Single. 3S. Was a casualty. Left me scooping up parts to dump into a box and hoping it is all there later.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: abou on 21 August 2018, 23:10:29
Ouch. Whenever I have moved, I always took my minis with me personally. There are just some things I wouldn't trust to another person.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 21 August 2018, 23:52:53
I put mine in Plano rifle cases secured by zip ties. 1800 miles in a moving truck and only a needed to do a few repairs
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: beachhead1985 on 22 August 2018, 17:59:47
I put mine in Plano rifle cases secured by zip ties. 1800 miles in a moving truck and only a needed to do a few repairs

Thats actually not dissimilar to what I used.

Then they stored and transported them on their ends.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Sartris on 22 August 2018, 18:51:44
yeah that's not ideal
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Wotan on 24 August 2018, 01:58:39
I would love to see attention for the Operation Klondike artwork. Mechs like the Annihilator and Imp deserve better minis.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 24 August 2018, 12:03:48
Good idea.  The Imp badly needs a mini that's poseable.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Cache on 24 August 2018, 13:26:23
I would love to see attention for the Operation Klondike artwork. Mechs like the Annihilator and Imp deserve better minis.
The Klondike Imp's dome is a little out of control, but it's still good art.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Dragon41673 on 25 August 2018, 21:36:33
I'd rather see an OP:Klondike Firefly
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: Wotan on 26 August 2018, 04:57:13
I love them all. All of them are far superior to their TRO versions. And especially Imp and Annihilator need some adjustments in size to fit with current sculpts.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: cawest on 26 August 2018, 15:54:07
is there updated list of items that are needed?
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: qc mech3 on 26 August 2018, 20:06:30
ust look the page before.  ^-^
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: AU Tiger CT on 05 September 2018, 11:04:12
I'll keep an eye out for the official thread, but I'm here to throw my name in the hat for an updated Annihilator.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: sadlerbw on 05 September 2018, 16:48:53
I admit, I've been checking this sub-forum more often than usual in anticipation of the new fan-funding thread opening! I've actually got a list made up so I know what I want to ask for depending on how many suggestions each person will be allowed.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: sadlerbw on 08 September 2018, 17:42:20
I’m headed to Vegas next week on vacation, any chance the fan funding poll will be up soon? Got to know how much money I can afford to loose!
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: speck on 16 September 2018, 13:05:16
New suggestion thread has been posted.
Title: Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
Post by: MoparMessiah on 24 September 2018, 16:48:43
Going to be selective with them in the next suggestion thread if any have interest.

Well only okay art to use is the reseen version which has one mini done already for it, so variants are open. If you are asking about the original IIC art the answer is no for a mini.
 

I am going to add to next suggestion thread as well.

Reach out to me in PM directly to discuss this.

PM sent with a commitment of $1200