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Title: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Welshman on 12 May 2011, 01:19:13
This thread is for all issues and problems with all volumes in the Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives series.

Product Links:
http://bg.battletech.com/?wpsc-product=experimental-tech-readout-primitives-volume-1
http://bg.battletech.com/?wpsc-product=experimental-technical-readout-primitives-ii
http://bg.battletech.com/?wpsc-product=experimental-tech-readout-primitives-3
http://bg.battletech.com/test/epubs/battletech-experimental-technical-readout-primitives-iv

Please remember to follow the errata report template (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,2412.msg171290.html#msg171290) when reporting issues.  In addition, be sure to specify which volume you are reporting the error for.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Xotl on 29 May 2011, 20:53:19
XTR Primitives Volume 1:

Official Errata
Mackie: Add "Particle Projection Cannon" to the list of "Non-production equipment".
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Neufeld on 04 June 2011, 15:07:03
XTRO: Primitives, Vol 1:

Page 3: COM-1A Commando:

The following claim is made: "...the Commando
represented a marked departure from previous Commonwealth
designs such as the Ymir and Crossbow."
However, according to both TRO:3075 and ED:Age of War, the Crossbow debuted in 2468, five years after the Commando.

Suggested Fix:
Change Crossbow to Mackie, if the Lyrans made their own copies, otherwise rewrite the sentence.




Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: cray on 16 November 2011, 10:08:31

1) The Aquilla's structural mass is inadequate to mount so 80 tons of primitive armor, unless "primitive WarShip structures" are markedly heavier than standard structures. At SI 10, it has a structural mass of (100,000 tons x SI 10 / 1000) = 1,000 tons (per pg148 StratOps). The maximum armor mass (per pg152 StratOps) is 1 ton of armor per 50 tons of structure, limiting the Aquilla to 20 tons of primitive armor, not the listed 80 tons.

My suggested fix is to reduce the armor to 20 tons. I'm not sure what the protection per ton of primitive armor is, but you'd only have 16 points from standard armor (plus 1 per facing from the SI of 10). Including the bonus, it looks like you could manage approximately 3 nose, 3 rear, 2 each side, depending on the exact value of primitive armor for 100,000-ton spacecraft.

2) Also, the Aquilla is light - assuming standard equipment. I get a total of about 93,500 tons. Suggested fix: add approx. 3,250 tons to each of the cargo bays once the vessel is re-totaled.

Alternately, could the Aquilla's TRO be marked like primitive ground units with which items are primitive, like "Armor: (Primitive)"?
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Wrangler on 14 February 2012, 23:07:04
Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives, Vol 2
P.14
Ares Landing Craft

*Problem*
Listing for vehicle's Mass/Tonnage is missing.
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Welshman on 15 February 2012, 00:20:32
Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives, Vol 2
P.14
Ares Landing Craft

*Problem*
Listing for vehicle's Mass/Tonnage is missing.

200 tons
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Wrangler on 19 February 2012, 12:45:11
Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives, Vol 2

*Problem*
Record Sheets for the following Aerospace Vehicles' Weapon Heat is listed at "0".
Mosquito Light Fighter
MK I Ares Landing Craft
MK II Ares Close Assault Landing Craft
MK III Ares Assault Craft
 
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Siberian-troll on 25 February 2012, 23:44:55
Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives, Vol 2, page 14

Pic, used for Ares I, depicts the later,  VII landing craft version,
but newest Ares Mark IX Attack Craft, which have an art not even close to VIILC, been fluffed as "The ship is based on the ancient Ares Mark I small craft, produced in the 25th Century"

Solution: change pic from streamlined VIILC (aerotech one) to boxy IXAC (from Technical Readout: 3085, p. 121)
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Xotl on 28 March 2012, 02:58:00
Vol 1, Sand Devil Hover Tank, p. 12

Increase Power Amplifier weight to .5 tons, per errata concerning power amplifiers now rounding up to the nearest half-ton
Remove Cargo (.2 tons)
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: jymset on 14 April 2012, 18:37:34
Dev-level errata

Merkava
Remove front-mounted MG
Increase MG ammo to 200 shots
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Neufeld on 11 August 2012, 10:52:55
Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives, Vol 1, pdf, page 5:

The Shadow Hawk SHD-1R has an introduction year of 2457, and mounts jump-jets, even if:
A) The Wasp-1 in XTRO:Primitives, Vol 2, page 3 is fluffed as the first mech with jump-jets, and has an introduction year of 2464.
B) The Era Digest: Age of War, page 11 gives an introduction year of 2467 for the Shadow Hawk.

Suggested solution:

Change introduction year of the Shadow Hawk to 2467.
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: DarkISI on 06 November 2012, 16:42:56
Primitives Vol. III

Page 27
Record Sheet, Alacorn Mk. I

Change Engine Type from "XL Fusion Engine" to "Fusion"
Remove "Chassis Modification: Limited Amphibious"


Page 28
Record Sheet, Alacorn Mk. II

Change Engine Type from "XL Fusion Engine" to "Fusion"
Remove "Chassis Modification: Limited Amphibious"
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: The Hawk on 07 November 2012, 23:23:09
XTRO Primitives Vol. 3

Page 3
WAM-B Firebee

Additional tab after "Gyro:" (so that tonnage column is aligned)
Increase SRM-2 ammo from 50 to 100 (for 2 tons)
Reduce tonnage of LA SRM-2 from 2 tons to 1 ton
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: S.gage on 08 November 2012, 01:08:01
Hello,
I am not certain if this is errata.
I was surprised by the artwork for the TDR-1C Thunderbolt on page 7 of "Primitives, vol. 3" (but please do not misunderstand, this is not a statement of disappointment).  Fluff-wise, the left-torso cockpit was described in TRO: Project Phoenix as a new feature to protect the cockpit from Gauss Rifle explosions (p. 42 in "capabilities"), and away from the fluff, I thought only the SDF Macross designs were forbidden now.  Is the left torso placement erroneous, intentionalp, or is the classic Thunderbolt unseen again?
Steve
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Frabby on 15 August 2014, 17:22:06
XTRO:Primitives Vol. II
Page 15, Black Eagle DropShip:

This is a 4500 ton DropShip that was supposedly introduced (prototype) in 2453.

Problem: Until 2458, JumpShips could only carry DropShuttles of up to 4,000 tons in internal bays. The classic hardpoint/docking collar combination with K-F booms was only developed in 2458, according to the fluff for the Liberty JumpShip (XTRO:Primitives Vol. III), or even 2470 according to MercSuppII.
The Black Eagle as statted could not have been in regular production before the production of JumpShips that could carry it, namely the Liberty which was expressly named as the first JumpShip class (and began production in 2461).

Suggestion:
1) Since there was an earlier conception for the Black Eagle as a conventional forces carrier, that older concept must have massed no more than 4,000 tons.
2) Change introduction date for the for the Black Eagle as statted to 2461. (This would make it the first designated 'Mech carrier DropShip designed for JumpShip operations; the older Manatee must have been a refit series of existing DropShuttles with K-F docking collars.)
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Xotl on 07 November 2014, 20:02:39
Reminder that Volume IV errata goes in this thread, and to be sure to mark what volume you're referencing.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: drakensis on 08 November 2014, 04:16:56
XTRO:Primitives VVolume IV page 4: SWD-1 Swordsman

Problem: cites the Terran March prince as Mikhail Rostov, grandfather of Dimitri Rostov who ruled the March during the Davion Civil War. However Rostov's father was elevated to rule the March in 2515, replacing the Leightan family who were wiped out in a Terran Hegemony raid on Robinson (see House Davion pg 41, The Regency.)

Solution: change "Terran March Prince and Jerricho’s principal stockholder, Mikhail Rostov" to "House Leightan, who ruled the Terran March and were Jerricho’s principal stockholders"; change "disloyalty shown by Dmitri Rostov—grandson of Prince Mikhail Rostov—during the war" to "attempted coup by Dmitri Rostov—whose family had replaced the extinct Leightans—during the war".
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: lrose on 08 November 2014, 18:42:19
P. 4 Swordsman
Introduction Date: 2463

a fact that ensured a handful of the Federated Suns’ third home-grown BattleMech design (behind the Battleaxe and the Wolverine) would remain in service until the Amaris Civil War.

Per TR3039 p. 290 the Wolverine was introduced by the SLDF in 2575
per TR3075 p. 226 the Hammerhands was introduced by the FS in 2475  "Achernar debuted the Federated Sun's second exclusive design the Hammerhands in 2475."
 
While it is possible that FS introduced a mech called the Wolverine, there is to date no evidence of it.  There are several solutions:
1) Change the sentence in Primatives IV to be: a fact that ensured a handful of the Federated Suns’ third home-grown BattleMech design (behind the Battleaxe and the Hammerhands) would remain in service until the Amaris Civil War.. 
The introduction date would also need to be changed to after 2475.
2) change Primatives IV to:
a fact that ensured a handful of the Federated Suns’ second home-grown BattleMech design (behind the Battleaxe) would remain in service until the Amaris Civil War.
and change TR3075 to:
"Achernar debuted the Federated Sun's third exclusive design the Hammerhands in 2475."
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Welshman on 08 November 2014, 19:57:27
Wolverine should be Hammerhands.
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: BrokenMnemonic on 03 July 2015, 03:47:35
XTRO Primitives Volume IV, page 4: SWD-1 Swordsman
Problem: the entry makes a number of references to the AFFS (Armed Forces of the Federated Suns, although it never spells out the abbreviation), begin with describing the design as being commissioned for the AFFS' rapidly growing BattleMech corps. The AFFS didn't come into being until Alexander Davion's reforms of the Federated Suns following the end of the Davion Civil War in 2540, eighty years after the commissioning of the Swordsman in the 2450s.

Solution: replace "AFFS" with "FPF" for Federated Peacekeeping Forces, which as per House Davion (The Federated Suns) p. 25 and Handbook: House Davion p. 20 was the state military of the Federated Suns prior to the formation of the AFFS. Given that the FPF history is only really detailed in two books, it would probably be worth spelling out the abbreviation the first time it's used in the article, as I doubt everyone is familiar with it.

XTRO:Primitives VVolume IV page 4: SWD-1 Swordsman

Problem: cites the Terran March prince as Mikhail Rostov, grandfather of Dimitri Rostov who ruled the March during the Davion Civil War. However Rostov's father was elevated to rule the March in 2515, replacing the Leightan family who were wiped out in a Terran Hegemony raid on Robinson (see House Davion pg 41, The Regency.)

Solution: change "Terran March Prince and Jerricho’s principal stockholder, Mikhail Rostov" to "House Leightan, who ruled the Terran March and were Jerricho’s principal stockholders"; change "disloyalty shown by Dmitri Rostov—grandson of Prince Mikhail Rostov—during the war" to "attempted coup by Dmitri Rostov—whose family had replaced the extinct Leightans—during the war".

Just to correct this errata - the last Prince of the Terran March before Nikolai Rostov was Charles Leighton, not Leightan, as per Handbook: House Davion, p. 37, "Timeline: Revolution and Civil War" and Handbook: House Davion, p. 31, "Council of Regents".
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Welshman on 03 July 2015, 11:27:20
Good catch there, thanks.
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: jymset on 18 July 2015, 05:09:12
dev-level errata:

XTRO Primitives III, p. 10: replace "...where the tank (including the KVN-3 model, which debuted in 2430) remained in production for some two and a half centuries." with "...where the tank (including the KVN-3 model, which debuted in 2530) remained in production for some two and a half centuries."

XTRO Primitives IV, p. 4: replace "a fact that ensured a handful of the Federated Suns’ third home-grown BattleMech design (behind the Battleaxe and the Wolverine) would remain in service until the Amaris Civil War." with "a fact that ensured a handful of the Federated Suns’ second home-grown BattleMech design would remain in service until the Amaris Civil War."
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Maelwys on 19 January 2016, 17:23:25
XTRO Primitives IV, p. 5: RFL-1N Rifleman

The design has the quirk "Obsolete (2504)" The problem is that the RFL-1 wasn't introduced until 2504, and the fluff states that the design served "Through the end of the Reunification War"

Suggest changing it to 2604.
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Giovanni Blasini on 06 April 2016, 16:33:34
Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives, Volume I

Page 16, Aquilla class JumpShip entry.

Problems:  Ship mounts two AC/5 autocannons, despite introduction date of ship being 2148, fully 100+ years before prototype AC/5s.  Construction does not appear to adhere to current Primitive JumpShip construction rules, as found in Interstellar Operations

Recommendation: Revise stat block to correspond to Interstellar Operation's Aquilla stat block and construction example found under Primitive JumpShip Construction, pages 128-131.  This will remove the AC/5s from the stat block, reduce the number of gunners from 12 to 2, reduce the number of officers from 13 to 12, and add a DropShuttle bay with 1 door, modifying the cargo bays according to the construction example.
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Scotty on 09 September 2016, 20:25:41
XTRO Primitives Vol. V, pg.3

Error: The Trooper's quirk list includes "Obsolete (2405)".

Since the Trooper went into production no earlier than 2469, I think this should read either "2504" or "2505" though I rightly do not know which.
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 09 September 2016, 20:38:40
XTRO Primitives V, page 7 and 21. The fluff text for the primitive orion mentions that the ON1-C carried an SRM-4 in addition to its other weapons. The record sheet for the ON1-C lacks this missile launcher.

Fix: Either remove the reference in the fluff or add the SRM 4 to the record sheet.


Page 13. The colt medium fighter is listed as having five external stores hardpoints in both the TRO entry and the record sheet. Forty ton fixed wing support vehicles can only carry 4 external stores hardpoints.

Fix: Remove one external stores hardpoint.

Page 32. The record sheet for the Leviathan Jumpship describes it as a primitive technology vessel. This does not appear  to be the case, as a primitive jumpship of that size would have less armor and more crew.

Fix: Remove the primitive label from the record sheet.
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: S.gage on 09 September 2016, 22:44:14
From XTRO Primitives Vol V, p. 6, "ARC-1A Archer, Overview", mid-4th paragraph:

"Praised for its reliability and ease of maintenance, the ARC-1A remained the Hegemony standard for more than a decade and a half before technological progress enabled Earthwerks to produce the more efficient ARC-2R model, which debuted in 2475."

MUL, TRO 3039, p. 296, and TRO 3025 (original, FASA), p. 92 says 2474.

p. 8, "BWP-X1 Ymir, Overview", mid-2nd paragraph:

"While its armament drew on the Mackie’s arsenal as a template, pairing a class-5 autocannon with a large laser in opposite arms, the greater amount of overall tonnage available for weapons enabled the Ymir’s designers mounted a veritable hodge-podge of weapons to cover a wide range of battlefield conditions."

Grammar, suggested change: "to mount"
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: Wrangler on 09 September 2016, 23:34:38
XTRO Primitives Volume V, pages 30: Colt Medium Fighter
Problem: Image on Record Sheet is not same as the one used featured article of the Colt Medium Fighter (P.13)
Solution: Replace Record Sheet picture to match Colt Medium Fighter
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: S.gage on 10 September 2016, 12:39:51
XTRO Primitives Vol V, p.5, "WVR-1R Wolverine", "Overview", midway through last paragraph:

"Although Norse BattleMech Works would introduce a more potent variant in 2490 (the WVR-3R shown at right, traded in three tons of armor and a ton of autocannon rounds for the addition of a shoulder-mounted six-pack SRM launche), this iconic machine would not be fully upgraded to modern standards until Kallon Industries bought the rights to the chassis from NBW, and introduced the WVR-6R model in 2575."

There is a misspelling. Suggested edit:

...(the WVR-3R shown at right, traded in three tons of armor and a ton of autocannon rounds for the addition of a shoulder-mounted six-pack SRM launcher)...
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: TigerShark on 10 September 2016, 22:37:14
XTRO Primitives Volume V, pages 30: Colt Medium Fighter

External hardpoints don't match construction rules. Tonnage/10 = number of hard points available.

- Current: 5
- Suggested: 4
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: TigerShark on 12 September 2016, 09:47:12
XTR: Primitives V, Record Sheet (ON1-C)

The record sheet is missing the SRM-4 described in the ON1-H narration on page 7:

"Although the seventy-five ton BattleMech met the High Command’s speed and armor requirements, its firepower—consisting of a single medium autocannon, an SRM quadrack, and pair of medium lasers—were far too lackluster for a front-line war machine."
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: BrokenMnemonic on 25 November 2017, 08:08:47
XTRO Primitives, Vol 5, latest pdf version, Page 5, "WVR-1R Wolverine"

Problem: the entry makes a number of references to the AFFS (Armed Forces of the Federated Suns, although it never spells out the abbreviation), beginning with describing the Norse BattleMech Works grabbing the contract ahead of companies in the Capellan March, in part due to implicit support from First Prince Ellen Davion. The AFFS didn't come into being until Alexander Davion's reforms of the Federated Suns following the end of the Davion Civil War in 2540, seventy years after the commissioning of the Wolverine in the 2460s/70s.

Solution: replace "AFFS" with "FPF" for Federated Peacekeeping Forces, which as per House Davion (The Federated Suns) p. 25 and Handbook: House Davion p. 20 was the state military of the Federated Suns prior to the formation of the AFFS. Given that the FPF history is only really detailed in two books, it would probably be worth spelling out the abbreviation the first time it's used in the article, as I doubt everyone is familiar with it.
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: S.gage on 10 June 2019, 22:10:03
XTRO:Primitives, Vol V, p. 13, "Colt Medium Fighter" and attached record sheets

Problem: The Colt Medium Fighter is described as having variant with SRMs, based on this, 3rd paragraph, 2nd sentence-
"(A short-range variant, which swapped the LRMs for quad-SRM launchers also fed by a single one-ton magazine, was introduced by EAC in 2375.)"
No record sheet for this variant was provided.

Solution: add a record sheet for the Colt (SRM) to any future revised printing.
S.gage
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: S.gage on 20 June 2019, 18:43:47
XTR:Primitives, Vol. III, p. 11, "Alacorn":

Gauss Rifles didn’t go into production until 2590.  TM p219. We lost production, not prototype, dates (unless the unit was only ever a prototype). So the Alacorn VI has to be 2590.  Have to check on the III and IV. Those will likely change.

Problem: Since the Gauss Rifle was introduced in 2590, a few of the dates in the Alacorn description have to be adjusted. These still have to conform to Alacorn entries in both TR:3058 (p. 74) and TR:3058U (p. 202).

TR:3058- "The Alacorn dates back to the Star League—The New Earth Trading Company delivered the first Alarcorns to the SLDF in 2587."
TR:3058U- "New Earth Trading Company delivered the first Alacorns to the original SLDF in 2587."

MUL and XTR:Primitives, Vol III identifies these first SLDF deliveries as Alacorn Mks III and IV. However, the dates in XTR:Primitives do not correspond to weapons development or to the MUL.

Solution: Alter the following lines-
"The HAF passed on the Alacorn, but the company revisited the design a decade later,..."
to
"The HAF passed on the Alacorn, but the company revisited the design two decades later,..."

"...but NETC soon rolled out what is now known as the standard Alacorn Mk. VI—mounting three of the still-experimental, but massively powerful Gauss rifles—in 2587."
to
"...but NETC soon rolled out what is now known as the standard Alacorn Mk. VI—mounting three of the still-experimental, but massively powerful Gauss rifles—in 2590."
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: B1Bflyer on 28 August 2019, 10:04:42
XTRO:Primitives, Vol. IV, p. 23, "Rifleman RFL-2N":

THE ERROR: Tonnage comes in at 54 tons (4 tons heavy) with given equipment, weapons, and armor (to include leaving 3pts of armor wasted at 11.5 tons). SSW was used and the depicted RS configuration BV added up to 1093 just as published but is not a legal design

THE CORRECTION: Either:
1.) Raise the tonnage to 60 tons, keeping the current configuration and speed profile and remove one single heat sink.
2.) Keep the 50 ton weight and reduce the engine to 150 making the mech 3/5/0 and still removing one single heat sink.
NOTE: In either case, the 11.5 tons of standard armor (if kept) has 3 points of armor wasted that should be distributed. 
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: mordel on 28 August 2019, 23:01:10
I think you may have forgotten to switch for the fact that the 2N is an intro design, whereas the 1N preceding it is Primitive. The armor factor is 120, with standard armor that comes out to 7.5 tons.

XTRO:Primitives, Vol. IV, p. 23, "Rifleman RFL-2N":

THE ERROR: Tonnage comes in at 54 tons (4 tons heavy) with given equipment, weapons, and armor (to include leaving 3pts of armor wasted at 11.5 tons). SSW was used and the depicted RS configuration BV added up to 1093 just as published but is not a legal design

THE CORRECTION: Either:
1.) Raise the tonnage to 60 tons, keeping the current configuration and speed profile and remove one single heat sink.
2.) Keep the 50 ton weight and reduce the engine to 150 making the mech 3/5/0 and still removing one single heat sink.
NOTE: In either case, the 11.5 tons of standard armor (if kept) has 3 points of armor wasted that should be distributed.
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: B1Bflyer on 29 August 2019, 00:01:13
I think you may have forgotten to switch for the fact that the 2N is an intro design, whereas the 1N preceding it is Primitive. The armor factor is 120, with standard armor that comes out to 7.5 tons.

Well it looks like SSW set the armor to "industrial" without my knowledge as I built the sheet from a RFL-3N so hooray for that... That also corrected the problem and I can stop wondering how it got messed up.

Need me to delete or edit my first post?
Title: Re: Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives (all volumes)
Post by: mordel on 29 August 2019, 07:59:15
Well it looks like SSW set the armor to "industrial" without my knowledge as I built the sheet from a RFL-3N so hooray for that... That also corrected the problem and I can stop wondering how it got messed up.

Need me to delete or edit my first post?

Nah... I've posted errata that was wrong before. :)