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Title: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 12 February 2018, 19:52:15
Kindly continue your discussion of what may or may not be coming out soon, or less than soon here.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 12 February 2018, 20:22:06
I see Upcoming Releases Thread XI has gone the way of FASA 1628?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 12 February 2018, 20:26:36
And a Baker's dozen is technically 13. ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 12 February 2018, 20:45:03
I see Upcoming Releases Thread XI has gone the way of FASA 1628?

Upcoming Releases Thread XI was actually packed, in advance, on board the Exodus Fleet.
It'll come back around in a few hundred years.

And it will be very, very cross with everyone still here.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bosefius on 12 February 2018, 20:51:04
I see Upcoming Releases Thread XI has gone the way of FASA 1628?

I swear I saw Releases Thread XI in a store beside 1628. Also, I may have been drinking at that time.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 12 February 2018, 20:59:26
I'll have some of whatever you were drinking at the time.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bosefius on 12 February 2018, 21:09:15
I'll have some of whatever you were drinking at the time.

LOL, knowing me back then, something cheap.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Valkerie on 12 February 2018, 21:13:57
On a more serious note, is there anything in the works for Alpha Strike in the next year or so?  Or are we getting regular product with AS rules included?  An example of what I mean was the last world wide event.  It had scenarios for both CBT and AS.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: JadeHellbringer on 12 February 2018, 21:16:14
I swear I saw Releases Thread XI in a store beside 1628. Also, I may have been drinking at that time.

"It was THERE, I tell you! Next to the phantom Comstar sourcebook, the Mk.I Omnimech record sheet book, and my quaaludes!"
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 12 February 2018, 21:23:59
On a more serious note, is there anything in the works for Alpha Strike in the next year or so?  Or are we getting regular product with AS rules included?  An example of what I mean was the last world wide event.  It had scenarios for both CBT and AS.

At this point we need a total reset of all coming products outside the new boxes and ilclan. Beyond that is anything a sure thing?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bosefius on 12 February 2018, 22:02:48
On a more serious note, is there anything in the works for Alpha Strike in the next year or so?  Or are we getting regular product with AS rules included?  An example of what I mean was the last world wide event.  It had scenarios for both CBT and AS.

I thought they said they want to do further World Wide Events with rules for all three systems. Other than that I'm not sure anything has been made public.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 12 February 2018, 22:48:12
Actually . . . weren't we supposed to get a PDF release or notes or whatever for the Wolf vs Rasalhague WWE in fall?  Did I miss any announced results?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 12 February 2018, 23:28:29
And a Baker's dozen is technically 13. ;)

Thank you.

Shoulda called this Cheaper by the Dozen
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tymers Realm on 12 February 2018, 23:43:11
Actually . . . weren't we supposed to get a PDF release or notes or whatever for the Wolf vs Rasalhague WWE in fall?  Did I miss any announced results?

:::Points to top of the fourm's section:::
Ummm...  Maybe here (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=59334.0)?
All are interesting reads.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Feenix74 on 13 February 2018, 00:27:58
And a Baker's dozen is technically 13. ;)

Its just due to linguistic drift that in the 31st century there is no XI and a Baker's Dozen is now XII  :D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 13 February 2018, 00:32:45
I thought Baker's Dozen was a reference to that Republic black ops team in TRO3150 that did orbital drops in their battle armor for headhunter strikes against Capellan HQs.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 13 February 2018, 04:11:49
Its just due to linguistic drift that in the 31st century there is no XI and a Baker's Dozen is now XII  :D

We're slowly dragging them into the metric system.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Karasu on 13 February 2018, 06:53:54
We're slowly dragging them into the metric system.

So what you're saying is that in a couple of threads time, a baker's dozen will be 10?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Drewbacca on 13 February 2018, 08:43:55
I swear I saw Releases Thread XI in a store beside 1628. Also, I may have been drinking at that time.
Of course I was very, very drunk...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Drewbacca on 13 February 2018, 08:50:14
Just finished reding the world wide campaign thread. Is something like this planned for this year in an official sense. Say, something that will have an effect on the game history?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 13 February 2018, 08:54:27
I don't get Baker's dozen reference.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 13 February 2018, 09:48:01
I don't get Baker's dozen reference.

It's misspelled (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Faye_Messner).
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: The Eagle on 13 February 2018, 09:53:12
It's misspelled (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Faye_Messner).

I still don't get it.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 13 February 2018, 10:17:36
I don't get Baker's dozen reference.

Traditionally, a Baker's dozen is meant to represent 13 of something, not 12

https://www.britannica.com/story/why-is-a-bakers-dozen-13
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: snewsom2997 on 13 February 2018, 11:41:12
I don't get Baker's dozen reference.

12 for the customer, 1 for the cook.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 13 February 2018, 11:53:37
Devlin Stone's real name is Baker? Confirmed?

But yeah, how are the new boxes coming? Still working on the contents, or are we on to trying to get production started? Or are those not things that 100% happen one after the other? Who/What are we waiting on at the moment?

Thanks.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 13 February 2018, 12:24:25
Couple of things . . .

Wasn't the novel sold at GenCon supposed to be released by now?
What happened to the YA fiction that was in the works?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 13 February 2018, 13:52:00
What happened to the YA fiction that was in the works?

I believe that fell behind schedule when Brent used up all the glitter.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: The Eagle on 13 February 2018, 14:02:10
Traditionally, a Baker's dozen is meant to represent 13 of something, not 12

https://www.britannica.com/story/why-is-a-bakers-dozen-13

I knew that, I was wondering why the preceding post had a link to Tammy Faye Bakker's Wikipedia page...

In any case, back to the Tech. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 13 February 2018, 14:54:16
Devlin Stone's real name is Baker? Confirmed?

And he has twelve clones
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 13 February 2018, 15:27:13
So he's Blake 7?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 13 February 2018, 16:25:20
Modtagging the thread for modly purposes.

(https://i.imgflip.com/24i5p0.jpg)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: RotS fan on 13 February 2018, 22:29:37
Do we even know what's next in the pipeline? It would be great if we had a small update on the next products
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 13 February 2018, 23:21:11
I believe that fell behind schedule when Brent used up all the glitter.
I take it the second Twilight of the Clans series was rejected.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: The Eagle on 13 February 2018, 23:22:02
I take it the second Twilight of the Clans series was rejected.

[captainamerica]

I understood that reference.

[/captainamerica]
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ChrystalNiNja88 on 13 February 2018, 23:25:56
Do we even know what's next in the pipeline? It would be great if we had a small update on the next products

Indeed. What's this 'ilClan' I keep hearing about?  [blank]
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: JadedFalcon on 14 February 2018, 03:17:26
Indeed. What's this 'ilClan' I keep hearing about?  [blank]

It's a reissue of the 3025-era FASA Comstar book but retold as a buddy story with Devlin Stone and Arthur Steiner-Davion (or his nephew). And it apparently used up a lot of glitter or something? It's scheduled along with a number of exciting PDF releases such as the Gladiator Gazette and the highly anticipated Milestones series.

That one Clan homeworld TRO would be nice to see, but it's probably backburnered so far that it's in cryo.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 14 February 2018, 04:05:03
It's a reissue of the 3025-era FASA Comstar book but retold as a buddy story with Devlin Stone and Arthur Steiner-Davion (or his nephew). And it apparently used up a lot of glitter or something?

A LOT of Glitter

(http://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/1882211/original?width=500&version=1882211)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 14 February 2018, 06:04:34
wow... looks like something my daughter would do.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Davor on 14 February 2018, 16:10:57
Life has kept me away for a long time again. Last time I was here there was mention of a new boxset coming out with great new plastic minis. Did I miss this? Has it come to pass?

Thinking of starting over again, and I would like to see if my Friendly Local Gaming Store can get some Battletech products and if so, how would he be able to do so?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 14 February 2018, 16:17:22
Life has kept me away for a long time again. Last time I was here there was mention of a new boxset coming out with great new plastic minis. Did I miss this? Has it come to pass?

Thinking of starting over again, and I would like to see if my Friendly Local Gaming Store can get some Battletech products and if so, how would he be able to do so?

Welcome back!

Coming later this year (late 2nd Quarter is the current plan) are not one but two box sets. The first is a true Introductory Box Set meant for brand new players. It contains two new plastic Mechs, a map, new fiction, and all the rules you’ll need. The other box is currently branded as “A Game of Armored Combat” and contains eight new plastic Mechs, maps, additional rules, more new fiction (different from what’s in the Intro Box) and other materials.

Both of these products should be available for order by your FLGS via Alliance. (Assuming you're US-based?)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 14 February 2018, 17:01:44
I have a question for a PDF . . . did the fiction in the rules and front of recent sourcebooks ever get a compilation?  I think my copy of TW had fiction before each chapter and I think Campaign Ops did, plus the stories in ER3145, FM3145 and other recent products.  I know I would pay a few bucks to get it- especially if older stuff was included that I may not have the SB to like FMCapCon or older scenario books.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 14 February 2018, 17:02:29
Not to my knowledge, no.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Davor on 15 February 2018, 01:24:06
Welcome back!

Coming later this year (late 2nd Quarter is the current plan) are not one but two box sets. The first is a true Introductory Box Set meant for brand new players. It contains two new plastic Mechs, a map, new fiction, and all the rules you’ll need. The other box is currently branded as “A Game of Armored Combat” and contains eight new plastic Mechs, maps, additional rules, more new fiction (different from what’s in the Intro Box) and other materials.

Both of these products should be available for order by your FLGS via Alliance. (Assuming you're US-based?)

Thank you very much. I am in Canada so not sure if that makes a difference or not.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 15 February 2018, 14:08:14
Thank you very much. I am in Canada so not sure if that makes a difference or not.

Hm...I'm not sure, but there are people here who would probably know. I think Alliance covers North America as a whole, but I'm not positive at all. Certainly, previous BT products have been available in Canada.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 15 February 2018, 14:37:13
Well, I'm from Canada (Vancouver area), and we have no issues getting the product in. I'm not sure who supplies our FLGS here, but they do indeed get the stuff.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 15 February 2018, 16:32:25
I don't remember my local shop having any alliance boxes when they order BT products just GTS Distribution.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: anastrace on 15 February 2018, 17:49:30
Personally, I'm looking forward to ilClan for a different reason. New gear means more new IWM minis! My LGS has a few for me to pickup already, and then it's off to the study to assemble, and slowly relearn to paint!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 16 February 2018, 08:08:14
Two boxed sets....pretty neat.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 16 February 2018, 10:22:00
Devlin Stone's real name is Baker? Confirmed?

His real name is Baker and he used to cook up a lot of plans. Sadly some of them were half-baked.

I'm still surprised that no one has mentioned TRO:Irregular Tech (Or whatever it was called). I think it's past time we had some official "Technicals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_(vehicle))" to use in the game. They'd be hugely helpful on Third Succession War battlefields, and even into the Jihad era on Periphery worlds.

A LOT of Glitter

(http://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/1882211/original?width=500&version=1882211)

"And in local news Defiance Industries stock price took a hit when their prototype 'Personal Chaff Pod/Screen Launcher' for battle armor was accidentally ingested at the launch party. Fortunately Hauptmann-General Tiffani 'Twilight' Bambers wasn't permanently injured, but defense analysts think it will be a long time before the LCAF's Quartermaster Corps will agree to purchase the device."
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 16 February 2018, 10:59:09
I think it's past time we had some official "Technicals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_(vehicle))" to use in the game.

We've got a bunch already. Every armed IndustrialMech qualifies, Operation Klondike gave us several vehicles, TRO 3060 has armed versions of the Flatbed Truck, and if you want to run the classic Toyota Hilux with a support weapon in the back, that's pretty much the definition of mechanized wheeled infantry.

I certainly agree that we need more technicals, but saying we don't have any yet is pretty inaccurate. :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 16 February 2018, 11:49:30
We've got a bunch already. Every armed IndustrialMech qualifies, Operation Klondike gave us several vehicles, TRO 3060 has armed versions of the Flatbed Truck, and if you want to run the classic Toyota Hilux with a support weapon in the back, that's pretty much the definition of mechanized wheeled infantry.

I certainly agree that we need more technicals, but saying we don't have any yet is pretty inaccurate. :)

Good point. I never considered the IndustrialMechs as technicals, but that's a great description. And I totally forgot about the Klondike record sheets.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Hammer on 19 February 2018, 12:02:04
Interesting article on Sarna with Brent.

http://www.sarna.net/news/community-outreach-interview-with-brent-evans-lead-battletech-developer-at-catalyst-games/
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: LightGuard on 19 February 2018, 13:24:47
Interesting article on Sarna with Brent.

http://www.sarna.net/news/community-outreach-interview-with-brent-evans-lead-battletech-developer-at-catalyst-games/

[drool]

Well, I guess I know where my Transformers money is going this summer...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 19 February 2018, 14:17:49
Sorry, but I'll believe it when I see it. We've been hearing much the same for years.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 19 February 2018, 14:23:36
Interesting article on Sarna with Brent.

http://www.sarna.net/news/community-outreach-interview-with-brent-evans-lead-battletech-developer-at-catalyst-games/
Thank gaud you spotted that. I won't have even noticed it!  I wish they had posted this here. This is significant news.

So we may end up waiting till June for something?  I can't wait Shattered Fortress to come out.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 19 February 2018, 14:55:01
New fiction is definitely something to get excited about. (Now if only I could somehow finish up my BattleCorps collection. :/)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: The Eagle on 19 February 2018, 15:03:43
So IlClan got too big for its britches, eh?  I'm strangely comfortable with that.  Come on Shattered Fortress!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: CungrVanck on 19 February 2018, 16:01:51
So we may end up waiting till June for something?  I can't wait Shattered Fortress to come out.

Yeah, I have the same question.  Does this mean no new products until Shattered Fortress arrives?  Admittedly, my pocket book may appreciate the delay.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: BrokenMnemonic on 19 February 2018, 17:05:34
I like how enthusiastic Brent is for what he's doing, and the insight into the new fiction and products coming up is great, but most of all I'm very touched by his praise for Sarna.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 19 February 2018, 19:30:10
Well, I guess I know where my Transformers money is going this summer...

Listen, I love Battletech, too.
And I want to know what happens, sure.

But that Power of the Primes Abominus, tho...

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 19 February 2018, 19:51:06
So they're breaking IlClan into two books. Sounds wise to me. That seems like a lot of ground to cover.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 19 February 2018, 20:23:44
I wonder if the second book is the aftermath of events of Terra.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 19 February 2018, 20:34:58
Yeah, I have the same question.  Does this mean no new products until Shattered Fortress arrives?  Admittedly, my pocket book may appreciate the delay.

"Early Summer" isn't that far off.  Especially in the sense that we've been waiting for 4 or 5 years now for a comprehensive plot update.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SteveRestless on 19 February 2018, 21:26:26
Sorry, but I'll believe it when I see it. We've been hearing much the same for years.

at this point, I probably won't even believe it when I see it.

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 19 February 2018, 21:45:11
2 book IlClan seems pretty awesome to me.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 19 February 2018, 22:40:51
I’ve been hurt before (ok, mildly annoyed at worst), but I’d be a little surprised if we did NOT see some sort of book for sale by GenCon. I know the box sets are a big deal, but historically CGL has produced lots and lots of book/PDF content, especially for BattleTech. They have a pipeline for print products, and I doubt the updated pack-in manuals for the boxed sets are enough work to consume it for a whole year, especially given the pace they managed for the last couple years for generating books and PDFs.

I want to believe...although I still want to believe in CM:Davion as well, so maybe I’m not the best at making rational judgements about future products!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: LightGuard on 19 February 2018, 23:53:04
Well, I guess I know where my Transformers money is going this summer...
Listen, I love Battletech, too.
And I want to know what happens, sure.

But that Power of the Primes Abominus, tho...

But, but, boxed sets! My old fourth edition barely survived the floods in Northeast Iowa this summer (lost my original GDL and TalesBW books on top of CityTech 2nd and BattleSpace, not to mention all my first, second, and third edition Shadowrun stuff...) and I neeeeeed some kinda stompy robots! I completely missed out on the fifth and sixth releases and still only have the CityTech 2 minis...

(BTW, I really do need that Blot almost more than I need Shattered Fortress... *Goes and rereads Welcome to the Nebula*)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 20 February 2018, 00:25:31
I suggest looking for the Lance Packs then . . . you can get 4 very nice plastic mini, half of which were likely in the box sets.

I am looking forward to my plastic Battlemaster and Wolverines.  Still planning to bash my primitive for a WVR-7M mini.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 20 February 2018, 06:33:54
No mention of Touring, Spotlight, or Milestones though... that makes me sad  :'(
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 20 February 2018, 07:34:47
No mention of Touring, Spotlight, or Milestones though... that makes me sad  :'(

There are plans.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 20 February 2018, 08:20:41
There are plans.
Plans in Plans?  ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: anastrace on 20 February 2018, 10:01:12
Plans in Plans?  ;)

It's plans all the way down!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 20 February 2018, 11:28:47
Plan for a plan
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tyler Jorgensson on 20 February 2018, 12:12:55
"How much of a plan do you have? Like a percentage?"
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 20 February 2018, 12:19:38
"How much of a plan do you have? Like a percentage?"

15-20%
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 20 February 2018, 12:26:06
"How much of a plan do you have? Like a percentage?"

75 - 80pct. Ish. Gotta make some numbers work and draw up a full proposal, but I'm optimistic.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cache on 20 February 2018, 13:52:23
So we may end up waiting till June for something?  I can't wait Shattered Fortress to come out.
June is stated as the target. October as a worst-case scenario.

"How much of a plan do you have? Like a percentage?"
11%
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: marauder648 on 21 February 2018, 00:12:13
Breaking it into two books eh...

(https://i.imgur.com/lhjhbB9.gif)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 21 February 2018, 07:05:31
Yeah. Sounds kind of like an excuse to delay release to me.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 21 February 2018, 07:09:19
You know what? I am unconvinced. I've seen too many promises to trust someone just because they're VERY ENTHUSED and BRAND AWARE. Brent, you want to get the fans back on-board? Release some ****** product. Because until I have something in my hands, I don't believe you. Period.

Edit: Five years ago, Herb said the same thing. Didn't happen. Then, after they fired Herb, Randall said the same thing. Didn't happen. Now Brent is saying it, and you ****** believe him? Product on shelves, then I'll believe you.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Maniac Actual on 21 February 2018, 07:33:56
You know what? I am unconvinced. I've seen too many promises to trust someone just because they're VERY ENTHUSED and BRAND AWARE. Brent, you want to get the fans back on-board? Release some ****** product. Because until I have something in my hands, I don't believe you. Period.

Edit: Five years ago, Herb said the same thing. Didn't happen. Then, after they fired Herb, Randall said the same thing. Didn't happen. Now Brent is saying it, and you ****** believe him? Product on shelves, then I'll believe you.
This is a sign of the apocalypse.  I am in agreement with Bosch. 

Put out product or sell the franchise to someone who will.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SteveRestless on 21 February 2018, 10:22:54
Thirded
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Foxx Ital on 21 February 2018, 10:52:43
Im invoking my Ghost Bear patience on ilclan, but the lack of products geared to clan players is a little disheartening.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 21 February 2018, 10:56:43
That's the crazy thing-The ilClan doesn't actually feature a single clan or clan warrior. They just sit there while the Inner Sphere fights it out to be the ilClan.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Foxx Ital on 21 February 2018, 11:33:27
That's the crazy thing-The ilClan doesn't actually feature a single clan or clan warrior. They just sit there while the Inner Sphere fights it out to be the ilClan.

You sure its not the epic rap battle that took place on terra in 3144?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 21 February 2018, 11:45:54
It's the future from the POV of the 1980s...

So it has to be a Break Dance battle.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 21 February 2018, 11:47:38
They released that already. It's the latest album by IllClan, called Borth to Dance.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 21 February 2018, 11:59:14
Its a follow-up of their debut album, License to Il.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 21 February 2018, 12:04:13
It's the future from the POV of the 1980s...

So it has to be a Break Dance battle.

For some reason you put a Clan version of the "your mamma" battle on Star Wars Robot Chicken in my brain. Thanks brain.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 21 February 2018, 12:19:26
You know what? I am unconvinced. I've seen too many promises to trust someone just because they're VERY ENTHUSED and BRAND AWARE. Brent, you want to get the fans back on-board? Release some ****** product. Because until I have something in my hands, I don't believe you. Period.

Edit: Five years ago, Herb said the same thing. Didn't happen. Then, after they fired Herb, Randall said the same thing. Didn't happen. Now Brent is saying it, and you ****** believe him? Product on shelves, then I'll believe you.

You are having a rough week aren't you? S'ok, it happens. Hope things ease up on ya.

As for product on shelves, well they almost certainly didn't all quit their jobs and disappear to twirl their evil mustaches, so they must be doing SOMETHING with all that time. The box sets are one fairly huge thing, and while they may not be all that special to us here on the boards other than as a source of nice new minis, they are likely a big time sink. Getting those done and getting the core rulebooks available again appear to be priorities #1 and #2 for Brent and Ray. ilClan is, at best, #3, and I honestly can't argue with that plan.

I understand your frustration, I really do, but so far Brent is basically telegraphing, "I want ilClan part one out for GenCon", as the first time he has really talked possible releases for it. Maybe consider letting him have till then before calling shenanigans. That's what I've decided to do personally before I stick ilClan back into the land of never-ending product development...right next to Loren's next novel! As for splitting ilClan in two being a stealth way to slip the deadline, I'm holding off judgement on that one. The idea of giving more time to play along with the story for the Demo Team and with Con events, and to get some supporting fiction out appeals to me. If that happens, then I'm OK with it. If it doesn't, then I'll probably be more annoyed with the split.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Foxx Ital on 21 February 2018, 12:34:26
Its a follow-up of their debut album, License to Il.

I hear it placed second to the clan mongoose album "the dead can dance"
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 21 February 2018, 12:37:21
Re: Product not coming out

My thought on that is we had the Combat Manuals.  Apparently they didn't sell well enough to keep the line going.  If more people bought those, we mighta had Davion and/or Steiner out by now.

We also had the new/third incarnation of TRO 3025.  May not be new for many of us, but if they're focusing on bringing the brand to new players it makes sense to get more of the foundational stuff out there and accessible for the new players we're all hoping that will eventually be buying the new box sets.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Takiro on 21 February 2018, 12:56:58
Any news on  TRO Golden Century?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 21 February 2018, 13:00:32
My thought on that is we had the Combat Manuals.  Apparently they didn't sell well enough to keep the line going.

I think Ray asked us to stop saying they didn’t sell well as it is oversimplified to the point of being wrong. Since I’m the one who originally did the oversimplifying, I feel compelled to point this out.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 21 February 2018, 13:19:35
Any news on  TRO Golden Century?

It’s probably hanging out with Record Sheets: Prototypes in witness protection

Have we ever gotten anything besides the blurb that it exists on the coming soon page?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SteveRestless on 21 February 2018, 13:23:20
I understand your frustration, I really do, but so far Brent is basically telegraphing, "I want ilClan part one out for GenCon", as the first time he has really talked possible releases for it. Maybe consider letting him have till then before calling shenanigans. That's what I've decided to do personally before I stick ilClan back into the land of never-ending product development...right next to Loren's next novel! As for splitting ilClan in two being a stealth way to slip the deadline, I'm holding off judgement on that one. The idea of giving more time to play along with the story for the Demo Team and with Con events, and to get some supporting fiction out appeals to me. If that happens, then I'm OK with it. If it doesn't, then I'll probably be more annoyed with the split.

If this was the first delay the product had seen, absolutely. But to take it from the threshold of release after all the grief we've been through already, is completely unjustified in my opinion. I am unwilling to give the benefit of the doubt just because someone wanted to make a circus of this.

A finished book released last year is better than two books dragged out. If you can't get one out the door why should I have faith in two?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Nerroth on 21 February 2018, 14:32:20
When I first saw the words "Shattered Fortress" and "Transformers" in the same conversation, I thought for a moment that someone was working on a Shattered Glass version of Fortress Maximus...

In principle, I'm not averse to there being two books, if that best serves the events being portrayed - the two Historical: Liberation of Terra volumes act as a worthy precedent in this regard. But of course, it all depends on how well each volume stands on its own merits, and how well they work combined.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 21 February 2018, 15:15:09
If this was the first delay the product had seen, absolutely. But to take it from the threshold of release after all the grief we've been through already, is completely unjustified in my opinion. I am unwilling to give the benefit of the doubt just because someone wanted to make a circus of this.

A finished book released last year is better than two books dragged out. If you can't get one out the door why should I have faith in two?

Just from what I've read around here, and what Brent has said: it sounds like he wants to make a big event of the release and not just drop it out there. That this is an epoch defining book and he wants it to make a splash, with tie in products and fiction. And if they can pull it off, that actually sounds pretty cool. Maybe that can be the start of BattleTech getting more awareness in the gamespace again. Can they pull it off? I don't know, but it certainly sounds ambitious enough that I am willing to wait and see. Have waited this long, so why not wait a bit longer...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 21 February 2018, 15:30:20
What, no Captain Caveman dancing???
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 21 February 2018, 15:33:26
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Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Alexander Knight on 21 February 2018, 15:41:18
Unga Munga
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: BrokenMnemonic on 21 February 2018, 15:57:57
Now I need the rules for really primitive combat vehicles powered by clubs.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: abou on 21 February 2018, 16:10:36
I've voiced it before and I'll say it again: I have reservations about the line. I am still here because of this undying love for the game; not because I feel it is supported. The products that have been released have been solid, but here we are 8 months out and nothing new and not much of an idea of what is coming out.

New boxset? Great, but what about for the longtime player. Wasn't that an issue with the previous boxset that it was being bought by current players just wanting the 'mechs. New RPG adventure? I'll believe that when I see it because A Time of War has been out for an awfully long time. The new maps that we saw look good, but we haven't gotten much in the way of previews. We've lost line developers, and we've had several "relaunches" since the 25th anniversary. Look at the coming releases page:

Shadows of Faith, by Loren L. Coleman (Novel) -- MIA
Combat Manual: Steiner -- seemingly cancelled
Case White, by Victor Milan (Novel) -- oi... (to be fair, as someone who has dealt with a lot of cancer in his family, not much I can say though)
Combat Manual: Davion -- seemingly cancelled
Experimental Technical Readout: Succession Wars II (E-Publication) -- MIA
Record Sheets: Prototypes Unabridged (E-Publication) -- MIA
Kell Hounds Ascendant: Three Short Novels by Michael A. Stackpole (Novel) -- MIA
Technical Readout: Golden Century (E-Publication) -- MIA
Technical Readout: IrregularTech (E-Publication) -- MIA
ilClan -- reworked into two books
Milestones -- MIA
OpFor -- MIA
Spotlight On -- two releases, then nothing
Gladiator Gazette -- MIA

I want to believe, guys, I do. But I still don't have my ****** dice from BattleCorps and it has been over two years. I hope Brent knocks it out of the park as line developer. I have no doubt that he has the ability, but I think the line has greater systemic issues that are being overlooked.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 21 February 2018, 16:24:03
I think that is a pretty good summary . . .

With that said, I am still buying minis and playing TT.  In fact, since we got together 3 or 4 years ago to play Lawyers, Guns and Money (I totally did not look at my PDF collection to get it right) the group of players in my city has grown and someone became a Agent.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 21 February 2018, 16:28:46
Just because I was curious: here is a break down of products by year. It's just a quick breakdown, with the info grabbed from Sarna, so I won't make any claims to absolute accuracy (for instance Sarna didn't list the House dice sets from last year), not writing a term paper here, just some quick-and-dirty math. Also I counted reprints and revised editions as separate products (but limited editions as the same as the regular editions). And since I'm only interested in "Classic" BT, I didn't include anything from WizKids.

Interestingly, all three averaged around 8 physical products a year...
(On physical products FASA produced the most, but if you include PDFs, CGL has out paced both previous companies by a mile.)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Takiro on 21 February 2018, 17:10:43
I guess I am the grumpy old man of BattleTech cause I really don't care if the plot moves 'forward' as there are many fine eras to play in. Me I look forward to historicals and specifics on the universe prior to the Jihad but hey that is me. When FASA went under or Endgame was published never thought I'd ever see another official written product again. I've been pleasantly surprised for the most part and I am sure things will pick up again soon folks.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Maingunnery on 21 February 2018, 17:20:53

That we want MOAR is a good sign in itself.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 21 February 2018, 17:26:13
I guess I am the grumpy old man of BattleTech cause I really don't care if the plot moves 'forward' as there are many fine eras to play in. Me I look forward to historicals and specifics on the universe prior to the Jihad but hey that is me. When FASA went under or Endgame was published never thought I'd ever see another official written product again. I've been pleasantly surprised for the most part and I am sure things will pick up again soon folks.

I suppose that's pretty fair.

For Battletech to continue and thrive in the market, there need to be new products to drive sales.

For an old fogy like me to keep playing, I really just need to keep breathing. New toys are gravy.

...but I reeeeeally like new toys. ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: GRUD on 21 February 2018, 17:59:14
I'm just sitting here, laughing at all the "Fan/Nerd Rage", over what CGL somehow "Owes" us.   ;D


When they release BT stuff, I buy it.  Plain and simple.  I'll never use it, because I hardly ever game anymore, but I still support BT, and thus I still support CGL.  They don't "owe" me a DAMN thing.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 21 February 2018, 18:00:37
You are having a rough week aren't you? S'ok, it happens. Hope things ease up on ya.

Yeah, it's not been an easy week, and things keep getting worse. I did get some good news yesterday, so we'll see if that pans out.

Quote
As for product on shelves, well they almost certainly didn't all quit their jobs and disappear to twirl their evil mustaches, so they must be doing SOMETHING with all that time. The box sets are one fairly huge thing, and while they may not be all that special to us here on the boards other than as a source of nice new minis, they are likely a big time sink. Getting those done and getting the core rulebooks available again appear to be priorities #1 and #2 for Brent and Ray. ilClan is, at best, #3, and I honestly can't argue with that plan.

The box sets are a big deal, and I'm genuinely happy that they are coming out. But I am tired of hearing about CGL's plans. Give me something to spend money on!

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I understand your frustration, I really do, but so far Brent is basically telegraphing, "I want ilClan part one out for GenCon", as the first time he has really talked possible releases for it. Maybe consider letting him have till then before calling shenanigans. That's what I've decided to do personally before I stick ilClan back into the land of never-ending product development...right next to Loren's next novel! As for splitting ilClan in two being a stealth way to slip the deadline, I'm holding off judgement on that one. The idea of giving more time to play along with the story for the Demo Team and with Con events, and to get some supporting fiction out appeals to me. If that happens, then I'm OK with it. If it doesn't, then I'll probably be more annoyed with the split.

The thing is, the book was finished before he started mucking with it. And, knowing the realities of publishing - especially printing in China - I find it very difficult to believe that he can have the book printed and out before GenCon. In PDF, sure, but PDFs don't draw customers or interest retailers at GenCon. Edit: Since CGL's books are printed in the US, this is not as much of a concern to me now. Thanks for the correction!

I'm also seeing some information that makes me question if the CGL guys really understand what's going on in the industry right now. I highly recommend that folks go take a look at Steve Jackson Games' Report to the Stakeholders. ( http://www.sjgames.com/general/stakeholders/report18.html ) SJ has been around a while and published a fair number of franchise games, and while there have been disasters here and there, he's kept his company afloat. One line stands out to me: "The flood of games continues to overwhelm distributors, retailers, and shelves, leading to an accelerated release schedule for many publishers as games get less time as a "new release" and get dumped online as fast as they leave the "hot and new" category." So what does that say about the decision to split IlClan into two books?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: roosterboy on 21 February 2018, 18:32:07
The thing is, the book was finished before he started mucking with it. And, knowing the realities of publishing - especially printing in China - I find it very difficult to believe that he can have the book printed and out before GenCon.

Books are printed in the US, not China.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 21 February 2018, 18:33:37
Yeah, it's not been an easy week, and things keep getting worse. I did get some good news yesterday, so we'll see if that pans out.

The box sets are a big deal, and I'm genuinely happy that they are coming out. But I am tired of hearing about CGL's plans. Give me something to spend money on!

The thing is, the book was finished before he started mucking with it. And, knowing the realities of publishing - especially printing in China - I find it very difficult to believe that he can have the book printed and out before GenCon. In PDF, sure, but PDFs don't draw customers or interest retailers at GenCon.

I'm also seeing some information that makes me question if the CGL guys really understand what's going on in the industry right now. I highly recommend that folks go take a look at Steve Jackson Games' Report to the Stakeholders. ( http://www.sjgames.com/general/stakeholders/report18.html (http://www.sjgames.com/general/stakeholders/report18.html) ) SJ has been around a while and published a fair number of franchise games, and while there have been disasters here and there, he's kept his company afloat. One line stands out to me: "The flood of games continues to overwhelm distributors, retailers, and shelves, leading to an accelerated release schedule for many publishers as games get less time as a "new release" and get dumped online as fast as they leave the "hot and new" category." So what does that say about the decision to split IlClan into two books?

First off, sorry to hear you've been having a sucky week so far. Hope things do get better for you!


And secondly...Steve Jackson Games has a completely different corner of the market? Sure, they are both games companies...but they have different products and types of customers for those games. I mean, WalMart and a bespoke tailor both sell clothes...but that's about all they have in common. SJG sells casual card/board/dice games and CGL produces book supplements to wargames/RPGs. (Yes, they are trying to break back into the board game area with the Duke, Vikings and Dragonfire, but even those don't quite compare to what SJG put outs.) Quite frankly, comparing SJG and CGL is comparing apples and oranges. (Would you compare Wizards of the Coast's D&D to SJG?)

I don't know if what CGL is trying to do with ilClan is a good thing or not. We will just have to wait and see. I'd rather see a great product than a mediocre one (not to say that the previous work on ilClan was mediocre). Does CGL put out enough product to compare to SJG? No, but I'd be willing to bet the work that goes into writing new stuff for BT & SR (thinking of fact checking previous canon and such) surpasses what goes into a SJG game.

I have to agree with GRUD: CGL doesn't owe us anything at all. They only people they owe anything to is Topps. None of us own BattleTech. They do. They just let us play it and make money doing so.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: anastrace on 21 February 2018, 18:35:27
I suppose that's pretty fair.

For Battletech to continue and thrive in the market, there need to be new products to drive sales.

For an old fogy like me to keep playing, I really just need to keep breathing. New toys are gravy.

...but I reeeeeally like new toys. ;)

New toys are the gravy on the poutine of life. :)

Personally, I'm always interested when the old FASA products have their stories moved forward. Be it Dark Age BT or things like the Boston Lockdown and the big Corporate shakeup. (Villiers out of the big 10?! Never thought I'd see that) I'm super excited to think that I might see the clans finally take Terra, and be united under one banner. It would be awesome to see the clans unified and in control of Terra, with the House Lords and Periphery uniting to drive them out. REVIVAL 2.0 but in reverse!

Of course new toys will inevitably need new minis, and I'll just have to make the sacrifice of buying them. Glorious adulthood!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bosefius on 21 February 2018, 19:03:57
The sniping back and forth ends now. We've allowed people a fairly free hand in these threads but going after other posters will bring us back in. This is the only warning.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 21 February 2018, 19:24:20
Books are printed in the US, not China.

Thank you for the info, that does speed things up a lot.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 21 February 2018, 19:56:42
New toys are the gravy on the poutine of life. :)

Have the actual boxes for the new boxsets been printed yet?
Because I would like to suggest a new quote for the back.

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sellsword on 21 February 2018, 20:01:53
 CGL does owe me.  As a consumer of their product, I am investing in their company. In order to keep money in their coffers they need to produce something I want to buy.  They aren’t doing that.  And it isn’t just me. Alpha strike manuals weren’t successful. Plastic box sets didn’t work out. Not enough interest in the hex packs to keep them going to name a few of the “ failures” in the product line.  Please understand that I’m not saying that these products were subpar in any way shape or form but they aren’t what the consumer wants.  And the one book (the Ilclan) that could have been a win for CGL is now 5 years over due.  When originally announced I would have grabbed the book up without a second thought. Now I don’t have to have it. I will wait until I read reviews and decide if it is worth my money to invest in.


Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Azakael on 21 February 2018, 20:59:58
Alpha strike manuals weren’t successful.

This is, and always has been false.
My guess as to why we haven't seen any after CM: Kurita, is that they likely require more up-front money to produce than some of the other books CGL is/ had produced - just from the sheer amount of art in them. And that money has probably been tied up in more necessary art-and-cost-heavy projects: Intro Box, GoAC box, Map Set...
I'd also wager a guess that the current pause to certain "classic" designs probably has something to do with it as well. (Seriously, no CM: Davion without the Valkyrie in the "mini TRO" section?)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cache on 21 February 2018, 21:06:26
CGL does owe me.  As a consumer of their product, I am investing in their company.
If they had stock that was publicly traded, you could invest in their company. The same could be said for crowd-funded products, which CGL does not do. Purchasing a product funded solely by the company is not investing in them, it is purchasing an item that you want... a sale. I don't claim to invest in toilet-paper manufacturers because I purchase toilet paper. I'm not invested in Samsung or US Cellular by purchasing a phone and service from them.  You are invested in your hobby, not the company that makes the products.

I'm not going to say I do or do not have faith in CGL. I have seen good things from Brent and Ray in the past and I am more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt by waiting patiently now.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Fear Factory on 21 February 2018, 21:16:56
I'd also wager a guess that the current pause to certain "classic" designs probably has something to do with it as well. (Seriously, no CM: Davion without the Valkyrie in the "mini TRO" section?)

I really hope that this is the case.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sellsword on 21 February 2018, 21:30:15
This is, and always has been false.
My guess as to why we haven't seen any after CM: Kurita, is that they likely require more up-front money to produce than some of the other books CGL is/ had produced - just from the sheer amount of art in them. And that money has probably been tied up in more necessary art-and-cost-heavy projects: Intro Box, GoAC box, Map Set...
I'd also wager a guess that the current pause to certain "classic" designs probably has something to do with it as well. (Seriously, no CM: Davion without the Valkyrie in the "mini TRO" section?)

Whatever the reasons CGL is not producing any more manuals. They did not, will not or can not complete the series and if they do start it back up again I believe the powers that be said that they were not be in the same format. That is not a successful product line. If they did generate profit for CGL it can only be looked at as short term and not as a long term series or income booster as was planned.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sellsword on 21 February 2018, 21:53:26
This is true. Investing and purchasing are two different things. To put it a little better. I use to be invested in battletech, cared about the direction it was going and looked forward to product releases but CGL is not producing any thing I want to purchase nor do I trust this company to do anything that they say they are going to do. In my opinion CGL has a history of being antagonistic toward the consumer, an attitude of we don’t owe the consumer anything and that the consumer should be happy with whatever is being produced whenever CGL decides to produce it.

This seems to be changing with the current line developers but they are going to have to work hard to win my money and loyalty back.  I’m going to have to start seeing some products being released on a consistent basis and not just talk about all the great ideas that they have.  I wish them the best of luck.

Again  This is just my opinion


If they had stock that was publicly traded, you could invest in their company. The same could be said for crowd-funded products, which CGL does not do. Purchasing a product funded solely by the company is not investing in them, it is purchasing an item that you want... a sale. I don't claim to invest in toilet-paper manufacturers because I purchase toilet paper. I'm not invested in Samsung or US Cellular by purchasing a phone and service from them.  You are invested in your hobby, not the company that makes the products.

I'm not going to say I do or do not have faith in CGL. I have seen good things from Brent and Ray in the past and I am more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt by waiting patiently now.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kentares on 21 February 2018, 22:11:14

Case White, by Victor Milan (Novel) -- oi... (to be fair, as someone who has dealt with a lot of cancer in his family, not much I can say though)

According to wikipedia... (so... anyone can check if its true, please?) he died last week.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Milan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Milan)

Edit = Its true unfortunately  :-[
https://www.tor.com/2018/02/14/victor-milan-in-memoriam/ (https://www.tor.com/2018/02/14/victor-milan-in-memoriam/)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 21 February 2018, 22:13:47
According to wikipedia... (so... anyone can check if its true, please?) he died last week.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Milan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Milan)

http://bg.battletech.com/news/passing-of-victor-milan/
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kentares on 21 February 2018, 22:15:07
http://bg.battletech.com/news/passing-of-victor-milan/

Ops. My BT homepage is the forums. Never go there. Sorry.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 21 February 2018, 22:26:10
http://bg.battletech.com/news/passing-of-victor-milan/
OMG!  What terrible loss!  He was one my favorite writers.  He always wrote stuff lively and fun with Battletech, while keeping setting.  I guess because no none goes to the main page we missed it.  :'(
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 21 February 2018, 22:34:36
It's stickied at the top of General Discussion...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 21 February 2018, 22:41:37
Yeah, now I am never going to know what happens to Karyl Bogomirsky- if he survives the 3rd book, its on the reading list!

Since it was brought up, can we get TPTB to say if the manuscript for Case White was in?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: roosterboy on 21 February 2018, 22:43:52
Since it was brought up, can we get TPTB to say if the manuscript for Case White was in?

The stickied thread contains some info on that.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 21 February 2018, 22:54:39
Ok, I had not looked on CBT since I already knew he had passed.  Guess it makes sense for it to be there . . .
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 21 February 2018, 23:40:47
And secondly...Steve Jackson Games has a completely different corner of the market? Sure, they are both games companies...but they have different products and types of customers for those games. I mean, WalMart and a bespoke tailor both sell clothes...but that's about all they have in common. SJG sells casual card/board/dice games and CGL produces book supplements to wargames/RPGs. *snip*

Do a little homework please. It's called GURPS and it has been around for almost as long as BT and at some point had a fan conversion to play BT via the GURPS system. Unless something changed the only corner of the market they don't have is wargaming. ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 22 February 2018, 00:36:57
Do a little homework please. It's called GURPS and it has been around for almost as long as BT and at some point had a fan conversion to play BT via the GURPS system. Unless something changed the only corner of the market they don't have is wargaming. ;)

Ogre, one of my favorite games, is very much an old-school wargame, with hexes and tiny numbers on the counters and even a Combat Results Table. Also, the line I quoted is from a general overview of the industry, not the specific niche SJ Games occupies. We discussed it a bit more on their forums, and the general consensus is that the gaming industry is stuck on novelty right now. People are buying lots of different games, but not buying supplements for those games. Breadth, not depth.

The reason I mention is this is because it makes me question breaking IlClan into two books. Note that Liberation of Terra 1 sold quite well to distributors, resulting in a still-current glut on the market. Liberation of Terra 2 did not, and copies of that are now the province of the eBay scalpers. Releasing a book in two parts may seem like an easy way to double CGL's profit, but I suspect that it will actually hurt sales.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 22 February 2018, 01:50:28
New toys are the gravy on the poutine of life. :)

Now I’m hungry too.  :'(
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Daemion on 22 February 2018, 01:52:07
Now I need the rules for really primitive combat vehicles powered by clubs.

No. Pedal power! Yabba Dabba Dooo!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 22 February 2018, 07:57:01
I know we have what's in Coming Attractions. Its been a while since it's been updated with something new.

I'm kinda surprised that XTRO: Succession Wars II never made it out. It has NOTHING to do with IllClan. It won't hurt at least release that keep us occupied for a shot bit.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Dubble_g on 22 February 2018, 08:57:27
Like others here, I really don't have much time to play the tabletop game any more, but still enjoy spending time in the imaginary world of BTech, so this was the most interesting part of the recent interview with Brent Evans for me:

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Everyone knows that I am committed to having fiction drive the narrative for the BattleTech storyline ...  please know Catalyst is absolutely creating new novels for both print and ePub formats. We are also working on a series of new novellas, the launch of a new audiobooks line, and the Development team is tying the fiction plots into PDF supplemental products so that the conflicts on pages can be fought on tables with minis. Bringing in several authors to help map out our storyline plots surrounding ilClan is delivering a number of collateral benefits and I think the fans will love what we’ve put together.

Anyone know what this is a reference to? I've heard CGL wants to complete the dear departed Victor Milan's Case White novel, plus there's Stackpole's rumored Kell Hounds prequels, plus the Jennifer Brozek YA novels they announced back in September 2017. That it?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 22 February 2018, 09:23:42
No. Pedal power! Yabba Dabba Dooo!

Oh great. Now I'm picturing steam powered combat vehicles where the "steam" is actually dinosaur farts.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 22 February 2018, 09:48:27
I've heard CGL wants to complete the dear departed Victor Milan's Case White novel

Since it's been brought up a few times, here's the direct quote from BT Fiction Director John Helfers, via the obit stickied at the top of this forum (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=60426.msg1385942#msg1385942):

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“Sadly, Victor passed away before he could finish his take on ‘Case White,’ which I’m sure would have been incredible. We have a partial manuscript in hand, however, and after a re-evaluation of the situation, I plan to take steps to have it completed by another author so we can bring Victor’s last BattleTech story to the fans. I just wish I could have helped him shepherd the rest of the novel to completion. And unfortunately, we will also have no more BattleTech stories from one of the true masters of the BT universe. R.I.P. Victor."
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 22 February 2018, 10:46:39
Ogre, one of my favorite games, is very much an old-school wargame, with hexes and tiny numbers on the counters and even a Combat Results Table.

And now I learn something new :P I know back in the 90s when I was heavily into BT and GURPS I had all of the sourcebooks, box sets, etc. for each system and had a blast speding one weekend running GURPS campaigns then company on company action for BT with the occasional foray into 2nd ed AD&D or D&D.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Mendrugo on 22 February 2018, 13:32:58
Oh great. Now I'm picturing steam powered combat vehicles where the "steam" is actually dinosaur farts.

BattleTech already has almost that - steam powered combat vehicles with lacquered wooden armor and pneumatic cannons that launch boulders, on the iron-poor world of Kaetetoa.  Substitute Tetatae for dinosaurs, and you're there.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 22 February 2018, 17:17:10
Oh great. Now I'm picturing steam powered combat vehicles where the "steam" is actually dinosaur farts.
Far Country had that, i don't know if there rules for it.  I think as support vehicles. I've not looked in a while.

I just hope we get some kind of product soon before June.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SteveRestless on 23 February 2018, 13:41:20
I would argue that maybe CGL doesn't owe anyone anything, that they can be just as noxious as Harmony Gold and do nothing but squat on the rights, denying them to anyone else and forever choking off any further battletech progression...

But, the fans and consumers owe cgl even less, If that is the case. Our relationship is entirely transactional. If you want customers good will, money, and efforts promoting the brand, then there needs to be something that we get on our side too. Historically, that has been "a progressing plot and products related to it"

If this arrangement is no longer desired, if there's no longer any point in waiting impatiently all the powers that be have to do is make it clear that they are no longer interested in exchanging products for money, and I can go spend my money on bolt action and robotech tactics instead.

Complete, new, products too, not copy-paste jobs, repackaged leftovers like TRO3150, or pamphlets about planets with nothing of value left on them.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Alex Keller on 23 February 2018, 14:40:43
I'd love to get some clarification on that list of upcoming products.  Even if they are all cancelled or postponed indefinitely.

As an outsider to CGL but a long time fan, it's been difficult to maintain interest in Battletech. I mean, we've all seen really talented people either walk away or be forced out over the past few years and there's no real momentum to keep me involved in the IP.  Battletech seems to have been limping along for the past 4-5 years.  I also think it's harder for CGL to compete because there are some really good competitors out there with more resources than CGL.  I appreciate what Brent is doing to keep people interested and truly hope that CGL can deliver with these new box sets and fiction.  It would be great to see a new generation join our base.

Also, a Baker's Dozen is 13.... I see that's already been pointed out.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 23 February 2018, 16:38:55
There were some big names that left the cause of CBT. It's hard to rebuild but will be done.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Diamondshark on 25 February 2018, 11:00:16
Honestly, I just hope that the upcoming products live up to their hype--it's going to be very hard for the fanbase to recover if it they don't.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 25 February 2018, 11:27:23
Nothing ever lives up to the hype.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sharpnel on 25 February 2018, 11:38:04
Don't believe the hype, it's a sequel.  :D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SteelRaven on 25 February 2018, 14:22:22
Honestly, I just hope that the upcoming products live up to their hype--it's going to be very hard for the fanbase to recover if it they don't.

Honestly, only thing that matters is that it will bring more people to the game and growing the fan base. BT can't survive selling stuff to the same group of 30-50 yo guys who already have a sizable BT collecting and other obligations.

I have ran into a alarming number of old hats online who seemingly rather see BT die with them than embrace the change needed to gain new player. While I commend them for supporting the game for all these years, they are now hurting the game
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 25 February 2018, 14:33:47
Nothing ever lives up to the hype.
Fact.
Created hype doesn't help at all either, and at worst it makes things far worse.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sellsword on 25 February 2018, 15:30:18
Honestly, only thing that matters is that it will bring more people to the game and growing the fan base. BT can't survive selling stuff to the same group of 30-50 yo guys who already have a sizable BT collecting and other obligations.

I have ran into a alarming number of old hats online who seemingly rather see BT die with them than embrace the change needed to gain new player. While I commend them for supporting the game for all these years, they are now hurting the game

I’ll go so far as to say CGL is owned by and is catering to those old hats and is unable to embrace change that would be needed to drag this game into the 21st century. Of course what that illusive “change” is could take up a whole other thread and more.  The question for me is can CGL appease the nostalgia crowd that seems to be keeping the game barely above water while bringing in new players?  It’s a hard trick to pull off
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 25 February 2018, 15:39:55
I would have to say that the creation of 'Alpha Strike' was a clear sign that the PTBs are willing to embrace change. Constant shouts of "DOOOOMMMMMM" from the fanbase might, however, sour them to it.

Maybe we should hold off of cries of 'foul' until after some of the new major products are released by the new LD. Give the new guy a chance before returning to the regularly scheduled cries of DOOOOMMMMM.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 25 February 2018, 15:41:37
The future is wide open, CGL had said they were going publish whatever era they need.
I do think there still limited writing staff.  As long they like what their writing, know what their doing.
I'll be happy with new products if it were setpast or the future. 

I prefer both, but i'd like push this train along down the tracks to the future. 
If a player wish to play in certain era, that's cool too.  Just don't sabotage entire franchise for sake of trying make everyone do it.

Let's see new products!  I hope they release something before Gencon.  Summer still feels mighty long time from now!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Maingunnery on 25 February 2018, 15:44:07
There is something I would like to see CGL make and sell in stores..... Battletech Pocket Edition.
As it something that actually fits in you pocket.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Fear Factory on 25 February 2018, 15:48:07
I would have to say that the creation of 'Alpha Strike' was a clear sign that the PTBs are willing to embrace change. Constant shouts of "DOOOOMMMMMM" from the fanbase might, however, sour them to it.

Maybe we should hold off of cries of 'foul' until after some of the new major products are released by the new LD. Give the new guy a chance before returning to the regularly scheduled cries of DOOOOMMMMM.

I'm a long time BattleTech fan that did not cry foul.  Alpha Strike had all the right tools to pull new players in.  It felt like a modern system despite being a revamp of BattleForce 2.  They should have pushed Alpha Strike hard despite the gripe from the old base.  Yeah, the rules haven't changed much, but they're old and clunky.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 25 February 2018, 15:56:10
There is something I would like to see CGL make and sell in stores..... Battletech Pocket Edition.
As it something that actually fits in you pocket.

I would love to see a return to the microgame format. I know they can't be sold for $3-$5 anymore, but I think a basic, $10 game that touts portability would be a strong addition to the line.

Fact.
Created hype doesn't help at all either, and at worst it makes things far worse.

Okay, y'all need to stop agreeing with me. It feels weird. :D

Honestly, only thing that matters is that it will bring more people to the game and growing the fan base. BT can't survive selling stuff to the same group of 30-50 yo guys who already have a sizable BT collecting and other obligations.

I have ran into a alarming number of old hats online who seemingly rather see BT die with them than embrace the change needed to gain new player. While I commend them for supporting the game for all these years, they are now hurting the game

This is a true thing. The reaction of folks to new ideas is stunning, as if someone is going to break into their houses and burn all their collection.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Fear Factory on 25 February 2018, 15:59:56
This is a true thing. The reaction of folks to new ideas is stunning, as if someone is going to break into their houses and burn all their collection.

I just saw more content.  Minis, rules, box sets, etc.  Something that, you know, we lack today.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 25 February 2018, 16:05:00
There is something I would like to see CGL make and sell in stores..... Battletech Pocket Edition.
As it something that actually fits in you pocket.
You talking about Paper back media books? That's smallest i've seen. I purposely get those instead of these extra large size paperback books they've been publishing lately.  I can't fit them into my bag when i go to work and read on break.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sellsword on 25 February 2018, 16:13:50
I would have to say that the creation of 'Alpha Strike' was a clear sign that the PTBs are willing to embrace change. Constant shouts of "DOOOOMMMMMM" from the fanbase might, however, sour them to it.

Maybe we should hold off of cries of 'foul' until after some of the new major products are released by the new LD. Give the new guy a chance before returning to the regularly scwheduled cries of DOOOOMMMMM.

The first acts of the line developers have been to cancel supplemental material for alpha strike (the faction manuals) create basically a new 3025 tro and rulebook, design the classic mechs to look as close as they can to the orginals and bring back the old novels.  None of those actions seem to be progressive acts designed to bring in new players.  Everyone of those changes smacks of nostalgia to me.

In fairness they are bringing out new box set with revised miniatures that look fantastic (which I will buy) and new young adult novels are in the works.  Is this enough to make a difference in the fan base?  I hope so but I’m not counting on it.

Personally I think the battletech line needs a major shakeup in ruleset and licensee ownership. These are very risky things to do and neither may produce positive results or growth. However After 30+ years in this game I’d rather see some risks and changes happen to the line than see it regulated the the periphery of the gaming market. 

Admittedly it is easy for me as an outsider to say things like this since my livelihood doesn’t count on the sales, success or failure of the line.  I can’t say that CGL has any easy choices to make and I wish the new line developers luck. I’ll continue to buy product that CGL puts out as long as it interests me. Unfortunately less and less that is being produced is peaking my interest. What I won’t do is buy more battletech items just to keep the line alive.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Maingunnery on 25 February 2018, 16:34:59
You talking about Paper back media books? That's smallest i've seen. I purposely get those instead of these extra large size paperback books they've been publishing lately.  I can't fit them into my bag when i go to work and read on break.
Nope, think of 'Orge pocket edition' but with modern art.
Convenient for the stores and the players.
Cheap enough for players to use up and buy again.
Easy enough for CGL to keep in stores.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 25 February 2018, 17:05:48
I would love to see a return to the microgame format. I know they can't be sold for $3-$5 anymore, but I think a basic, $10 game that touts portability would be a strong addition to the line.
Microgame? How'd that work?
Okay, y'all need to stop agreeing with me. It feels weird. :D
I've few very bad cases of getting hyped and end result being... disastrous. Had to agree on the hype part.
Amusingly those very cases are part of the reason i started paying more attention to BattleTech despite having been a fan at some level for a long time. Dropped bunch of video games so i filled that partially with BT.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 February 2018, 17:46:23
The first acts of the line developers have been to cancel supplemental material for alpha strike (the faction manuals) create basically a new 3025 tro and rulebook, design the classic mechs to look as close as they can to the orginals and bring back the old novels.  None of those actions seem to be progressive acts designed to bring in new players.  Everyone of those changes smacks of nostalgia to me.

You are confusing two of those things . . .

First, the TRO Succession Wars PROBABLY had plans to include all the Classic art as teaser for the box sets- but IMO from what cannot be said is that the whole HG thing derailed the intended product.  And I think a lot of our lack of product at present has to do with the HG lawsuit derailing the 3 or 5 year plan since BMM, TRO Succession Wars and new Box Sets would have been a soft relaunch.

Second, the release of the novels as epubs is not 'nostalgia' -its cash flow, for whatever trickle makes its way to CGL.  It would also help feed what would have been a interesting product schedule of a most novels, Classic box set, TRO SW, BMM and IWM metal Classic releases.  The release of the novels also did a nice thing for brand awareness- I put Battletech in Kindle and I get the page filled with novels with new art covers instead of old MW novels and the folks selling narratives of their tabletop/RP campaigns in violation of copyright/trademark.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sellsword on 25 February 2018, 19:24:15
You are confusing two of those things . . .

First, the TRO Succession Wars PROBABLY had plans to include all the Classic art as teaser for the box sets- but IMO from what cannot be said is that the whole HG thing derailed the intended product.  And I think a lot of our lack of product at present has to do with the HG lawsuit derailing the 3 or 5 year plan since BMM, TRO Succession Wars and new Box Sets would have been a soft relaunch.

Second, the release of the novels as epubs is not 'nostalgia' -its cash flow, for whatever trickle makes its way to CGL.  It would also help feed what would have been a interesting product schedule of a most novels, Classic box set, TRO SW, BMM and IWM metal Classic releases.  The release of the novels also did a nice thing for brand awareness- I put Battletech in Kindle and I get the page filled with novels with new art covers instead of old MW novels and the folks selling narratives of their tabletop/RP campaigns in violation of copyright/trademark.

I can’t argue either of your points. In fact I think you are correct in your assessment of CGLs plan. My problem is basing the marketing plan on classic battlemech designs. A new player doesn’t care about the classics.  They don’t care about the lawsuits or the amount of time, money or effort spent in recreating the images. They just want to see something cool. CGL could have based a 5 year plan on all news mechs.  The unseen were only present in what maybe 10 years of real world time.  Most of the time the game hasn’t even had the images of those mechs.  Why take the chance for designs that existed less than 1/3 of Battletech’s history?  It is more than time for people to move on.  This obsession with the classics/unseen is hurting the development/advancement of the game.

As far as the novels are concerned if bringing back the old novels generates money and new players then that is great! But again, I don’t imagine that decision was based about getting new players into the game.  If I’m wrong then I’m wrong.  I think the young adult line is the attempt to bring in new blood. I don’t know enough about kindle but if someone had never bought any battletech books before, would the novels show up in their “feed”?

It just feels to me like CGL has spent and is spending a lot of money rehashing the past instead of looking toward the future.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 February 2018, 20:12:24
Maybe, what I meant was when they searched.  Releasing the novels as e-pubs would have taken very little effort on the part of CGL IMO since its not new fiction.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 25 February 2018, 22:26:25
Considering how BT hasn't had any new novels in awhile... Start with getting the old stuff out so readers know BT isn't dead. Also lets newer authors who have been influenced by say Stackpole, to find a new market to write for. New books take time to write and edit so something should fill the void until then. Plus, how many of us still have the old novels? I don't, I have no idea where they went along with my Man Kzin Wars books. Have a feeling one of my ex-wives did something with em...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 February 2018, 23:12:20
I have most of the 3050 and on novels but that was ebay and used bookstores filling in gaps since I started buying them during the FCCW.  But I use my kindle now nearly exclusively simply b/c I can load a book box sized set of novels and have it with me on the go.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: JadedFalcon on 26 February 2018, 01:07:11
Before releasing digital versions of the old FASA-era novels, the market for those books was solely resellers. Meaning that the contemporary franchise gained no profits from the old novels until CGL/IMR acquired the rights to the publish them digitally. Just like how CGL gains zero profit right now from any Battlecorps stories that aren't in the anthologies. And since a reboot is too hard to sell or enact, the franchise is still going to be propped-up on the old (and somewhat dated) novels. And so they remain integral to the franchise. New William Keith novels set in the 3rd Succession War may actually help alleviate some of the reliance on the old novels if they can create a new jumping off point to the universe.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 26 February 2018, 01:23:44
Good point, especially if as hinted at we get scenario information that allows you to replay some of those 3SW moments using the two box sets.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SCC on 26 February 2018, 02:33:47
About a micro-game, I think, to a certain extent, that BMM and TRO:SW have that covered. Additionally I feel that TRO:SW was aimed at slimming the 'Mech lineup going forward.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 26 February 2018, 04:10:09
About a micro-game, I think, to a certain extent, that BMM and TRO:SW have that covered. Additionally I feel that TRO:SW was aimed at slimming the 'Mech lineup going forward.

Two big books do not a micro-format game make. A microgame should be small and inexpensive. The classic model, as pioneered by MetaGaming Concepts in the late 70s, is a 4"x7" bag or box containing a 16 or 24-page rulebook, a 8"x14" map, and a sheet of about 110 small counters. The original price was around $3-4, but modern versions would have to adjust for inflation and be closer to $10. The very first MicroGame (MetaGaming liked camel caps, too) was Ogre, but there were many more from a bunch of companies. In fact, even games that today are viewed as incredible rules bloats like Star Fleet Battles and Car Wars started as micro-format games.

I bet I could come up with an Alpha Strike-based rules set that, including a basic selection of 'Mechs and scenarios, would clock in at 24 half-sized pages. I might even be able to finagle the maps enough to include the equivalent of two standard BattleTech maps, which would be enough space for company-sized battles. 110 counters is more than enough to include a variety of units, with multiples included.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 26 February 2018, 08:21:17
BT can't survive selling stuff to the same group of 30-50 yo guys who already have a sizable BT collecting and other obligations.

Accurate.

I have ran into a alarming number of old hats online who seemingly rather see BT die with them than embrace the change needed to gain new player. While I commend them for supporting the game for all these years, they are now hurting the game

Highly accurate. And don't underestimate the effect that the loudest voices can have on the decision-making process.

Of course what that illusive “change” is could take up a whole other thread and more.

And has, many times.

The question for me is can CGL appease the nostalgia crowd that seems to be keeping the game barely above water while bringing in new players?

One of those things brings in money to allow continued business, and the other doesn't. People-pleasing and revenue-generation aren't mutually exclusive, but they can't be prioritized in that order.

I do think there still limited writing staff.

This is not the bottleneck. (And isn't really true.)

The first acts of the line developers have been to cancel supplemental material for alpha strike (the faction manuals) create basically a new 3025 tro and rulebook, design the classic mechs to look as close as they can to the orginals and bring back the old novels.

You're conflating a whole bunch of things.

BattleMech Manual and TRO Succession Wars were in the works before Brent and Ray were appointed. BMM in particular was (as I understand it) the hard work of a freelance contributor that management got behind, not an effort that derived from management of that time.

Likewise, the Classics redesign has been an effort that goes back years, before the Brent-Ray era of leadership. Though both played a role in that process, they didn't initiate it when they took over. Same for the Legends series of e-pubs, that's been going for a little while now.

I've few very bad cases of getting hyped and end result being... disastrous

I think I understand: you're saying that you feel hype for a particular BT product over-promised and under-delivered? It's definitely a bad move to market something as being more than it is. But the "under-delivered" part is always going to be subjective.

And I think a lot of our lack of product at present has to do with the HG lawsuit derailing the 3 or 5 year plan since BMM, TRO Succession Wars and new Box Sets would have been a soft relaunch.

I've seen this idea starting to get into the water supply around here, and to the best of my knowledge, it's simply not true.

Products are still in the pipeline, with every intention of releasing them later this year. I've worked on several of them, and on very quick turn-around deadlines--not a situation at ALL of "go ahead and do the work, but we'll see whether we can put them out." More like, "can you get this done by the end of the weekend so we can keep things moving."

I understand why people think this. Post hoc ergo propter hoc; there's a lawsuit, we haven't seen anything new in a little while, therefore... But my personal experience has been that there's a lot going on--it just needs to be communicated. I'm hoping to work on that, too.

It is more than time for people to move on.  This obsession with the classics/unseen is hurting the development/advancement of the game.

Only my own opinion, but I'm absolutely with you here. It's a fixation for sure.

Additionally I feel that TRO:SW was aimed at slimming the 'Mech lineup going forward.

It was aimed at being a companion of some kind to the BattleMech Manual. I'm not sure how any product, especially one set in the SW era, could ever "slim the lineup" given how many TROs and XTROs are out there.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Dubble_g on 26 February 2018, 08:44:35
Can't speak for any other 30-50 y.o. fans of the game, but I'm A-OK with any kind of rules revamp, slimming, reorganization or rewriting the developers feel is necessary. A soft reboot to the 3025 era make sense to me (i.e. not to rewrite the timeline, but publish introductory material in this time period), for I find the current setting (circa 3145) perhaps a touch overly complex and confusing, even for a long-time fan like me, and challenging to explain to a beginner.

As I tried to ask earlier, I'm interested to hear more about the plans for fiction. I'd be even more interested if there was I way I could contribute, now that BattleCorps is gone, and I'm left, in the charitable words of another poster, with my copyright-infringing fan fiction.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: CungrVanck on 26 February 2018, 09:23:52
I am chomping at the bit, like most here, for new products and will admit to being a bit whiney about it.   ;D

That said, if we get the close to the Dark Age era and the beginning of a new IlClan era, I will be happy.  New books are coming, new novels are coming, new minis are coming, new box sets are coming and more.  Just gotta be patient a little while longer...even though it sucks ;)  Maybe throw us a Touring the Stars?  LOL

If these new products don't appear, then I will be all DDOOOOMMMM!!!  Until then running my New Wessex campaign involving 240 BattleMechs.  Took our an entire Steiner Assault Lance last week.  Glory to the Dragon!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 26 February 2018, 09:36:30
I think I understand: you're saying that you feel hype for a particular BT product over-promised and under-delivered? It's definitely a bad move to market something as being more than it is. But the "under-delivered" part is always going to be subjective.
I wasn't actually talking about BattleTech (rather a bunch of video games) BUT the danger for over-promise and under-deliver is always there, regardless of franchise, genre or media. Often it seems the over-promise is done by marketing though (in video game industry), rather than developers themselves but that is perhaps driven by heavy competition.

There actually has been no major story-line releases while i've been "active" BT fan (about 4 years) (i don't count Succession Wars historicals account of them merely filling in details as i see them, and in any case both were very satisfactory). Nor any over-promising, though it seems some things were announced too early given that they've been delayed in favor of others. Early reveals can be problematic, maybe; i've noticed that video game industry has been moving toward shorter announcement and release cycle. But perhaps that doesn't really apply to tabletop games? Still, it is somewhat frustrating to know there's definitively interesting stuff in the works but no idea when one should be expecting them, or if one should be expecting them at all.

The closest thing to fail has been the Combat Manual line, but it wasn't actually over-hyped or anything, it did exactly what it was clearly implied to do and what i expected from it. Only, it seems my collection will be stuck to two parts...

My current worry is really fatigue. Need a closure to current story, and it seems to be slipping further away and away. The effect sorta opposite of hype: losing interest. Though i doubt that will make me skip things, i'll just get grumpy while waiting.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 26 February 2018, 10:59:33
Two big books do not a micro-format game make. A microgame should be small and inexpensive. The classic model, as pioneered by MetaGaming Concepts in the late 70s, is a 4"x7" bag or box containing a 16 or 24-page rulebook, a 8"x14" map, and a sheet of about 110 small counters. The original price was around $3-4, but modern versions would have to adjust for inflation and be closer to $10. The very first MicroGame (MetaGaming liked camel caps, too) was Ogre, but there were many more from a bunch of companies. In fact, even games that today are viewed as incredible rules bloats like Star Fleet Battles and Car Wars started as micro-format games.

I bet I could come up with an Alpha Strike-based rules set that, including a basic selection of 'Mechs and scenarios, would clock in at 24 half-sized pages. I might even be able to finagle the maps enough to include the equivalent of two standard BattleTech maps, which would be enough space for company-sized battles. 110 counters is more than enough to include a variety of units, with multiples included.

That would be an interesting challenge. Build a "BattleTech Boxed Set" that can fit into an Altoids tin (https://www.adafruit.com/product/97). Minis are not required, but dice and mapsheets are.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Daemion on 26 February 2018, 12:19:21
That would be an interesting challenge. Build a "BattleTech Boxed Set" that can fit into an Altoids tin (https://www.adafruit.com/product/97). Minis are not required, but dice and mapsheets are.

You, the player would have to supply the dice, and pencil, if I recall the micro-game format correctly.



Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 26 February 2018, 12:28:18
A friend of mine scored on a intact 3rd Edition Box set for 20 box at a Con.  With plastech miniatures and everything it came with it. Must been lost in closet somewhere.  It seems so simple, now a set 24 plastic minis causes insane amount in comparison to day.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 26 February 2018, 12:35:34
Two big books do not a micro-format game make. A microgame should be small and inexpensive. The classic model, as pioneered by MetaGaming Concepts in the late 70s, is a 4"x7" bag or box containing a 16 or 24-page rulebook, a 8"x14" map, and a sheet of about 110 small counters. The original price was around $3-4, but modern versions would have to adjust for inflation and be closer to $10. The very first MicroGame (MetaGaming liked camel caps, too) was Ogre, but there were many more from a bunch of companies. In fact, even games that today are viewed as incredible rules bloats like Star Fleet Battles and Car Wars started as micro-format games.

I bet I could come up with an Alpha Strike-based rules set that, including a basic selection of 'Mechs and scenarios, would clock in at 24 half-sized pages. I might even be able to finagle the maps enough to include the equivalent of two standard BattleTech maps, which would be enough space for company-sized battles. 110 counters is more than enough to include a variety of units, with multiples included.

And that's pretty much what the $20 "Beginner's Box" is supposed to be...(Rules, a map, two minis...)

Honestly in today's market, that's a close as anyone's going to get to that concept.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: nckestrel on 26 February 2018, 12:47:32
That would be an interesting challenge. Build a "BattleTech Boxed Set" that can fit into an Altoids tin (https://www.adafruit.com/product/97). Minis are not required, but dice and mapsheets are.

Any of the quickstarts?  They have maps/counters/rules/record sheets and/or unit cards.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 26 February 2018, 12:54:14
And that's pretty much what the $20 "Beginner's Box" is supposed to be...(Rules, a map, two minis...)

Honestly in today's market, that's a close as anyone's going to get to that concept.
I wish they'd included cardstock  punch outs to the additional 2 plastic minis.  That wont satisfy someone who wants more.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 26 February 2018, 13:40:36
I wish they'd included cardstock  punch outs to the additional 2 plastic minis.  That wont satisfy someone who wants more.

Punch-out playing pieces are included in both boxes.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Maingunnery on 26 February 2018, 13:58:45
And that's pretty much what the $20 "Beginner's Box" is supposed to be...(Rules, a map, two minis...)

Honestly in today's market, that's a close as anyone's going to get to that concept.
I think you are underestimating the store space factor.
It is a factor of; how much the store can display, how easily it can be an impulse buy and how convenient it is for casual players. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Geont on 26 February 2018, 14:54:20
Punch-out playing pieces are included in both boxes.

That is some interesting new information. I like it. :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 26 February 2018, 15:13:58
Punch-out playing pieces are included in both boxes.

You mean we don't have to use other players for this anymore?? ;D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 26 February 2018, 17:13:25
Punch-out playing pieces are included in both boxes.

High quality Infantry, Battle Armor, and Vehicle cardstock tokens.
I need them.
I need them a lot.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 26 February 2018, 17:25:00
High quality Infantry, Battle Armor, and Vehicle cardstock tokens.
I need them.
I need them a lot.
I'll take even, uh, medium quality ones.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 26 February 2018, 17:32:42
The punchout pieces are 'Mechs only.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 26 February 2018, 17:34:02
The punchout pieces are 'Mechs only.

Still pretty dang cool. Linen finish? ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 26 February 2018, 17:35:01
The punchout pieces are 'Mechs only.

That's a good move.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 26 February 2018, 17:38:20
Still pretty dang cool. Linen finish? ;)

Eggshell. Looks better on walls.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 26 February 2018, 17:39:06
it's not unlike the BattleDroids box with two minis and cardboard standups - though this time I suspect the standups will decidedly lack the original Macross art
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 26 February 2018, 17:39:43
Still pretty dang cool. Linen finish? ;)
Similar to Dragonfire.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 26 February 2018, 17:46:06
Eggshell. Looks better on walls.

oil or latex?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 26 February 2018, 18:01:30
Punch-out playing pieces are included in both boxes.

I wholeheartedly and unreservedly agree with this decision.

The minis in this game are certainly fantastic, but having an official option for mech tokens for those that can't put big dollars into minis is a fantastic nod to making the game accessible. Hopefully new players appreciate it as well.

SIDE NOTE ON THE UNSEEN: In my opinion, the game does need the unseen, but mostly for balance reasons. In the 3025 era, which is one of the simpler and more easily balanced eras, taking out the unseen removes some really important units and leaves some rather annoying gaps when you try to actually play there. In my opinion anyway. The Heavy bracket especially gets gutted without the unseen. So, while the game doesn't really need the unseen to look any specific way, I feel like it DOES need units with their stats available in 3025. Make 'em look like whatever you have to, but you really need things like Warhammers and Crusaders if you want to play in the late succession wars, which are still a fun place to play. Does it need to happen ASAP? Probably not, but no matter which way the lawsuit goes, I hope we get those mechs visible and with new minis, whatever they look like, again.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 26 February 2018, 18:13:19
The minis in this game are certainly fantastic, but having an official option for mech tokens for those that can't put big dollars into minis is a fantastic nod to making the game accessible.

That's the idea--to get as much play out of each box as possible while keeping costs low.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 26 February 2018, 18:26:40
Make an expansion set that also has vehicles and infantry and i'll get a couple of them even.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tymers Realm on 26 February 2018, 19:04:16
Make an expansion set that also has vehicles and infantry and i'll get a couple of them even.

I'd actually agree to something like this too.
Something like the Citytech Box Set from back in the day. That could be something interesting...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: RoundTop on 26 February 2018, 19:14:25
Make an expansion set that also has vehicles and infantry and i'll get a couple of them even.

Well, Brent has been pretty vocal in wanting to have products that allow you to play major events, which often involve vehicles... so it is possible that they might be thinking along the lines of the dragonfire campaign sets.... aka: you get the rules for the scenario, and counters for the important units (outside what is in the box sets).   

Disclaimer: I have no idea if this is what they are planning or not, and am not aware of anything other than Brent's comments about wanting to allow players to play the story.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 26 February 2018, 19:26:26
Disclaimer: I have no idea if this is what they are planning or not, and am not aware of anything other than Brent's comments about wanting to allow players to play the story.

No vehicle or infantry punch-out pieces of any kind are planned at this time.

Remember when these pieces weren’t on the menu at all, six hours ago? One step at a time, folks.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tymers Realm on 26 February 2018, 19:33:30
No vehicle or infantry punch-out pieces of any kind are planned at this time.

Remember when these pieces weren’t on the menu at all, six hours ago? One step at a time, folks.

I don't think anyone's expecting a OMG turn-around to see something like that. But even as a stand alone kind of thing, it would be cool to see happen.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 26 February 2018, 19:44:10
No vehicle or infantry punch-out pieces of any kind are planned at this time.

Remember when these pieces weren’t on the menu at all, six hours ago? One step at a time, folks.

In fairness, vehicle tokens have been a request for years. The return of stand ups for the first time since the FanPro box set have people imagining the possibilities.

Also remember well when it comes to BT fans that if you give a mouse a cookie, he’ll ask for a glass of $500 scotch
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 26 February 2018, 19:51:49
Not sure why folks who want them have not already made them using the .jifs from MegaMek . . . some folks who have made those did excellent work.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 26 February 2018, 20:11:18
Because people don't have printers anymore, and those who do aren't interested in crappy paper pieces or going through the hassle of gluing them to cardstock. Look, if people want to spend the money to skip the hassle, why is there a problem?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Maingunnery on 26 February 2018, 20:13:36
Because people don't have printers anymore, and those who do aren't interested in crappy paper pieces or going through the hassle of gluing them to cardstock. Look, if people want to spend the money to skip the hassle, why is there a problem?
Indeed, lets enable them.  :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 26 February 2018, 20:18:31
Because people don't have printers anymore, and those who do aren't interested in crappy paper pieces or going through the hassle of gluing them to cardstock. Look, if people want to spend the money to skip the hassle, why is there a problem?

I am not saying there is a problem, but just pointing to a source with good art.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 26 February 2018, 20:19:47
Because people don't have printers anymore, and those who do aren't interested in crappy paper pieces or going through the hassle of gluing them to cardstock. Look, if people want to spend the money to skip the hassle, why is there a problem?
Indeed. I basically gave up on printers after a second one in a row broke just after the warranty ended. And given prices of ink, buying pre-made stuff is basically cheaper...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 26 February 2018, 21:00:08
Make an expansion set that also has vehicles and infantry and i'll get a couple of them even.

Honestly, I want to see this sort of thing for the whole line. Rulebooks and all. Start with the mechs, then produce addons for the other unit types that can be bought as desired. I feel like the attempt to cover everything the way they did in total warfare was a mistake.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 26 February 2018, 21:15:44
The punchout pieces are 'Mechs only.

I meant as an expansion, not with the intro boxes.
The intro products need to focus just on mech combat. 

Not sure why folks who want them have not already made them using the .jifs from MegaMek . . . some folks who have made those did excellent work.

I have done that, actually. With pretty good success.  I would love an official option, though, that lets me support CGL and save printer ink.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 26 February 2018, 21:24:43
Remember when these pieces weren’t on the menu at all, six hours ago? One step at a time, folks.

This is the internet. We move at the speed of ‘I WANT!’
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Daemion on 26 February 2018, 21:46:04
Honestly, I want to see this sort of thing for the whole line. Rulebooks and all. Start with the mechs, then produce addons for the other unit types that can be bought as desired. I feel like the attempt to cover everything the way they did in total warfare was a mistake.

Oooh. Future TROs with Punch-out pages in the back. Or a Q&D TRo Supplemental sealed page sold separately of the book with said counters.

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 26 February 2018, 22:14:37
Oooh. Future TROs with Punch-out pages in the back. Or a Q&D TRo Supplemental sealed page sold separately of the book with said counters.

We have turned into a bunch of 5 year olds :o ;D :P
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 26 February 2018, 22:30:41
Punch out Pony! Punch out Pony!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 27 February 2018, 00:23:13
Oooh. Future TROs with Punch-out pages in the back. Or a Q&D TRo Supplemental sealed page sold separately of the book with said counters.

Books like BattlePack 4th Succession War and AeroTech 2 did this so there is president
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Atlas3060 on 27 February 2018, 02:16:15
We have turned into a bunch of 5 year olds :o ;D :P
Turned into ?!

Most days I am.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 27 February 2018, 02:28:41
We have turned into a bunch of 5 year olds :o ;D :P

So, we've aged emotionally is what you're saying here?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Geont on 27 February 2018, 05:45:46
Well, I was thinking how interesting move is inclusion of the punch-out mechs when I realised something. Is inclusion of these punch-out mechs somehow related to german Starterbox (50€) from last year? That box included 8 (Citytech?) plastic mechs with sheets of punch-out mechs.

Based on discussion on FB, I would like to know if prices of these new boxes are decided or it's still something that isn't clear at the moment? There was big uproar due to lower count of plastic mechs in GoAC box and same or higher price than last two introboxes. So I would want at least to know if 60$ is targeted price for GoAC box and 20$ for beginners box or it has changed.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 27 February 2018, 08:12:24
Punch out Pony! Punch out Pony!

Isn't this the Ghost Bear battle chant for facing the Horses?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 27 February 2018, 08:55:09
Oooh. Future TROs with Punch-out pages in the back. Or a Q&D TRo Supplemental sealed page sold separately of the book with said counters.

Sounds like a great method to encourage shrinkage. No, keep counters in a box. Don't make it too easy for jerks to steal parts.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 27 February 2018, 09:19:13
The positive reaction to counters/tokens over the last two pages makes me very optimistic.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 27 February 2018, 09:33:27
Sounds like a great method to encourage shrinkage. No, keep counters in a box. Don't make it too easy for jerks to steal parts.

The solution here is to put punch-out tokens in boxes, but a sheet of nonperforated tokens in the back of the book that need to be properly cut out. Tearing out a page(especially decent cardstock) is more work than just popping out some counters, especially if you're trying to do it on the sly in the middle of a store.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Fear Factory on 27 February 2018, 09:43:28
The positive reaction to counters/tokens over the last two pages makes me very optimistic.

BattleTech Reinforcements: 3039 

It writes itself.

At least try and up the quality a bit more to make it stand out.  Have different types of bases you can use in the box for the different kinds of units.  Maybe have 'Mechs with stands, vehicles as tokens, aerotech/vtols on stands that elevate the token, all bases as hexagons too.  This is entirely possible considering the quality of board games these days.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: OpacusVenatori on 27 February 2018, 09:55:45
Maybe have 'Mechs with stands, vehicles as tokens, aerotech/vtols on stands that elevate the token, all bases as hexagons too.

Infantry doesn't need hexagon bases, they will be fine as round tokens.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 27 February 2018, 10:13:54
Cue Worktroll asking for half-hexes in three...two...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 27 February 2018, 10:22:34
It writes itself.

I'd be more interested in whether it pays for itself.

So I would want at least to know if 60$ is targeted price for GoAC box and 20$ for beginners box or it has changed.

That's the plan, $19.99 for the BattleTech Beginner Box, and $59.99 for the BattleTech: A Game of Armored Combat box.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 27 February 2018, 10:29:16
No vehicle or infantry punch-out pieces of any kind are planned at this time.

Remember when these pieces weren’t on the menu at all, six hours ago? One step at a time, folks.

Back to the old Citytech counters it is!  ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 27 February 2018, 11:07:31
Yeah, one step at a time, and please remember that in BattleTech, it’s about the BattleMechs, vees and infantry are several steps removed.

The positive reaction to counters/tokens over the last two pages makes me very optimistic.
Its nice, but there’s never been any correlation between reaction on the forums and sales. It’s not a valid metric.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 27 February 2018, 11:17:03
Geont, there is no relation between this box and the one Ulisses Spiele put out.

One brief thing about the box pricing and the uproar, taking into account the source (me) is informed but inarticulate: the old box was meant to be a loss-leader, that we’d take a hit on it and it would guide players into other products. Did fine with the loss part, not so much in the leader role. And then take into account that it used 30 year old sculpts and map art. These boxes have all new miniatures and art and are priced appropriately.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 27 February 2018, 11:50:39
Yeah, one step at a time, and please remember that in BattleTech, it’s about the BattleMechs, vees and infantry are several steps removed.
I keep wondering about that. Some random musings to follow:

No, no, i don't deny that 'Mechs are what BattleTech is built upon and what it has been about so far.
But... I look at the MWDA and how it was built upon combined arms. Alpha Strike makes no real difference between 'Mechs and other types of units. TROs have vehicles too, and even infantry (if you count Battle Armor as infantry). And i look at other tabletop games and their habit of having various sorts of units (admittedly they're not really build upon one type of war machine). And how more modern RTS games have some sort of focus on combined arms, as opposed to old-fashioned tank spam.
And there's the name BattleTech. Mecha are usually called just "mechs", regardless of their real name. As it is, BattleTech could kinda cover everything used for warfare in 31st century.
Should it be about 'Mechs mostly?

Admittedly there are problems in trying to cram everything into affordable package. BattleMech Manual wouldn't be that if it were trying to fit in other rules as well. And a box set would rise in price and complexity if it were to contain extra unit types, as cool as it would be, cardboard punch-outs or not.

And for every me, there are likely way more people who probably don't care.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 27 February 2018, 12:05:11
Geont, there is no relation between this box and the one Ulisses Spiele put out.

One brief thing about the box pricing and the uproar, taking into account the source (me) is informed but inarticulate: the old box was meant to be a loss-leader, that we’d take a hit on it and it would guide players into other products. Did fine with the loss part, not so much in the leader role. And then take into account that it used 30 year old sculpts and map art. These boxes have all new miniatures and art and are priced appropriately.

Thumbs up icon is missing otherwise I'd add one.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: The Eagle on 27 February 2018, 12:10:17
BattleTech Reinforcements: 3039 

It writes itself.

At least try and up the quality a bit more to make it stand out.  Have different types of bases you can use in the box for the different kinds of units.  Maybe have 'Mechs with stands, vehicles as tokens, aerotech/vtols on stands that elevate the token, all bases as hexagons too.  This is entirely possible considering the quality of board games these days.

If they went this route, I'd like to see aircraft at least go the way the counter from the original Crimson Skies box worked: multiple pieces that slotted togather to make a vaguely 3D model instead of just a printed picture on a flat piece of stock.  I suppose you could do the same with tanks, but I feel like that might be more trouble than it's worth.  Mech counters are probably best just stuck on standees like you said.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 27 February 2018, 12:10:55
It’s a valid thought process, Empyrus.

Try to look at it this way. Flavor. If you’re running an ice cream shop, you can’t just do vanilla, your need chocolate and strawberry. Honestly, you’d be best with a dozen assortments, right?

What seems to be the case, at least talking on the business side, is that “vanilla, chocolate, and strawberry” isn’t “Mechs, vehicles and infantry,” but instead “Mechs, other Mechs, and more Mechs.” Vehicles and infantry are the flavors you experiment with once you have your solid dozen flavors.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 27 February 2018, 12:26:48
Double Triple-Dipped Dinosaur Cherry!!!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 27 February 2018, 12:33:49
When I was a young lad drooling over source books, it was the mechs that drew me to this game. Not the combat vehicles, or the aerospace fighters, or the battler armor, or the warships. Mechs are what got me into BattleTech. Now, mine own spawn like to play Alpha Strike with me on occasion, and it's the same with them. They want the stompy robots. I actually bought them each several of the DA packs that come with a mech, a vehicle and some infantry. The infantry are long-gone, and most of the VTOL's and tanks are MIA somewhere under beds or in random piles of toys, but the mechs...well, the kids each keep their mechs all together in boxes and will play with them like normal toys as well as bugging me to play Alpha Strike. I didn't tell them to keep the Mechs separate or to put them all in a box. I didn't tell them Mechs are better than vehicles or infantry. They decided they liked them better on their own. To them, the mechs were something special, and they took better care of them and played with them more than any of the other stuff that came in those DA loot boxes. Sure, it is a very small data set, but something about the mechs in this game registered as special and more interesting to my kids than any of the other units. According to my house at least, mechs are the coolest part of BattleTech. I'm not asking that other units be dropped from the game, but you won't hear any complaints from me about the two starter boxes being nothing but mechs. It's a decision I support.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Geont on 27 February 2018, 13:53:47
I'd be more interested in whether it pays for itself.

That's the plan, $19.99 for the BattleTech Beginner Box, and $59.99 for the BattleTech: A Game of Armored Combat box.


Glad to hear it.

Geont, there is no relation between this box and the one Ulisses Spiele put out.

One brief thing about the box pricing and the uproar, taking into account the source (me) is informed but inarticulate: the old box was meant to be a loss-leader, that we’d take a hit on it and it would guide players into other products. Did fine with the loss part, not so much in the leader role. And then take into account that it used 30 year old sculpts and map art. These boxes have all new miniatures and art and are priced appropriately.

I did think so. I still think these new boxes are good bargain. With punch-out mechs it got even better. :D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 27 February 2018, 14:18:12
I did think so. I still think these new boxes are good bargain. With punch-out mechs it got even better. :D

I wish I could take off the beemer so I sound like less of a shill when I say: I'm as excited about these box sets as I've been about anything BT related in a long time.

Especially the Beginner Box Set--it's finally a product I can feel confident about cracking open and teaching the game out of, and leaving them with a lot of value for a low cost. Everything in the box was redesigned from the ground up, and looks great.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 27 February 2018, 15:58:57
Seeing how most games now are almost ready to play right out of the box, it would be nice of Battletech to have a lower priced option then the big boxed set for $60.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 27 February 2018, 16:54:23
Seeing how most games now are almost ready to play right out of the box, it would be nice of Battletech to have a lower priced option then the big boxed set for $60.

I thought the $60 box was meant to be playable for 'mech to 'mech combat right out of the box. Is that not true?

For a playable game, with high quality miniatures, $60 seems to be at least roughly in line with board game prices. I'll be excited if the boxes are actually profitable for CGL. It might make funding a reprint much less of a multi-year nightmare, if the demand is there.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 27 February 2018, 17:00:15
I thought the $60 box was meant to be playable for 'mech to 'mech combat right out of the box. Is that not true?

Of course, the big box offers that in spades too.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 27 February 2018, 17:00:32
For 8 minis at 60 is seems a bit high, but if you include the punch-outs its not as bad.. but I prefer the old box. Just sell a box minis only for 40 and I would buy several and be happy.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 27 February 2018, 17:01:20
Seeing how most games now are almost ready to play right out of the box, it would be nice of Battletech to have a lower priced option then the big boxed set for $60.

Isn't that the point of the $20 Beginner's Box?  ???
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 27 February 2018, 17:42:11
I still think these new boxes are good bargain. With punch-out mechs it got even better. :D

For 8 minis at 60 is seems a bit high, but if you include the punch-outs its not as bad.. but I prefer the old box. Just sell a box minis only for 40 and I would buy several and be happy.


I'm really confused here...where are people getting the idea that the NEW CGL Box sets will include punch-outs?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 27 February 2018, 17:45:23
Here (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=60405.msg1388744#msg1388744) and here (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=60405.msg1388836#msg1388836).
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 27 February 2018, 17:56:58
Here (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=60405.msg1388744#msg1388744) and here (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=60405.msg1388836#msg1388836).

First one says Yes:

Punch-out playing pieces are included in both boxes.

Second Says NO:

No vehicle or infantry punch-out pieces of any kind are planned at this time.

I'm not saying I'm not happy/unhappy with the news, just trying to understand how something that was being joked about made it into a YES IT"S ACTUALLY there, when this is the first we are hearing of it, and was never mentioned in any of the official channels.

I just don't want to see people excited about something that then isn;t there and lash out at CGL for misinformation they never officially stated.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 27 February 2018, 18:05:47
First one says Yes:

Second Says NO:

I'm not saying I'm not happy/unhappy with the news, just trying to understand how something that was being joked about made it into a YES IT"S ACTUALLY there, when this is the first we are hearing of it, and was never mentioned in any of the official channels.

I just don't want to see people excited about something that then isn;t there and lash out at CGL for misinformation they never officially stated.

I interpreted it as offering Battlemech punchouts for expanded game play, rather than vehicles or infantry.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 27 February 2018, 18:08:48
So Adrian, I hear you about the discussion of a loss leader . . . honestly I will have to hold up the last box/AS pack minis next to the new ones to see if I can really tell a difference BUT . . .

You have a lot of people here who are already buyers who bought one, two or three of the last boxes just to get the large numbers of core minis in the box.  Now you are releasing box sets with a whole different set of minis of a better quality, particularly using art that we have not had access to as minis except in a single case (Shadow Hawk), as a starting place for new players.  AFAIK we will not have new lance packs with these minis and we also do not know when IWM will release them in metal.

So how are you expecting the box sets to get into the hands of new blood rather than snapped up by old/current players- just for the minis?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 27 February 2018, 18:09:57
The back of the mock ups from last year's GenCon said "Terrain tokens".

https://i.imgur.com/Nm3dO8Y.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/Nm3dO8Y.jpg)
https://i.imgur.com/doPw3NB.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/doPw3NB.jpg)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 27 February 2018, 18:20:16
The back of the mock ups from last year's GenCon said "Terrain tokens".

https://i.imgur.com/Nm3dO8Y.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/Nm3dO8Y.jpg)
https://i.imgur.com/doPw3NB.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/doPw3NB.jpg)

as well as the expected And More to cover bases.

But until we hear from Brent or to a lesser extent Adrian (a Green or White Beemer (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=58071.msg1369490#msg1369490)), I am all for being excited at the prospect of cut-out mechs, but I don;t want to see folks get their hopes up and then lash out when it appears we were wrong.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 27 February 2018, 18:24:59
I’m putting together official communications about the new box sets and am in regular contact with management.

The new box sets include punchcard Mechs.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 27 February 2018, 18:29:02
I’m putting together official communications about the new box sets and am in regular contact with management.

The new box sets include punchcard Mechs and terrain.

Well, there you Have it.

Happy to hear, I know from the 'secret areas' your role as "Disseminater of all Things Official" that in this info I can trust!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 27 February 2018, 18:45:29
So Adrian, I hear you about the discussion of a loss leader . . . honestly I will have to hold up the last box/AS pack minis next to the new ones to see if I can really tell a difference BUT . . .

You have a lot of people here who are already buyers who bought one, two or three of the last boxes just to get the large numbers of core minis in the box.  Now you are releasing box sets with a whole different set of minis of a better quality, particularly using art that we have not had access to as minis except in a single case (Shadow Hawk), as a starting place for new players.  AFAIK we will not have new lance packs with these minis and we also do not know when IWM will release them in metal.

So how are you expecting the box sets to get into the hands of new blood rather than snapped up by old/current players- just for the minis?

1) the price is no longer about “DIRT CHEAP MINIS,” and cost/returns should make it easier to reprint regularly.
2) it’s designed to mildly stun anyone who’s been playing for more than 2 years. Not enough to knock you out, just enough to determine if you really, really want it.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 27 February 2018, 19:01:29
...just enough to determine if you really, really want...

No need to stun me. I'll tell you if I want, if I really, really want.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 27 February 2018, 19:05:31
No need to stun me. I'll tell you if I want, if I really, really want.

Weirdo...I swear, if I have that song stuck in my head for the rest of the night...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 27 February 2018, 19:08:29
Weirdo...I swear, if I have that song stuck in my head for the rest of the night...

We will cover you you in tuna and feed you to Herbs cats!!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 27 February 2018, 19:17:49
1) the price is no longer about “DIRT CHEAP MINIS,” and cost/returns should make it easier to reprint regularly.
2) it’s designed to mildly stun anyone who’s been playing for more than 2 years. Not enough to knock you out, just enough to determine if you really, really want it.

Well...I really, really Want.

As a demo Agent, I wanted with the past box set to have two painted up just for demo purposes, but sadly...missed the boat.

This time around, I will be purchasing two boxes just to have the eight minis from each painted to a scheme ( nothing fancy, just a Forest Camo Scheme vs a Urban Camo Scheme).

And of course the 3 or 4 I will be ordering specifically for my greedy Smaug the dragon like hoarde of minis.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 27 February 2018, 19:19:15
We will cover you you in tuna and feed you to Herbs cats!!

 :'( Oscar passed away a couple days ago.

So how are you expecting the box sets to get into the hands of new blood rather than snapped up by old/current players- just for the minis?

This is just not a problem. I'm not sure where this started, but it is seriously not a thing.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 27 February 2018, 19:23:04
:'( Oscar passed away a couple days ago.

 :'( Poor kitty... May he have eternal tuna, salmon, and poultry. And Weirdo. I can't get that stupid song out of my head now....
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 27 February 2018, 19:37:01
No need to stun me. I'll tell you if I want, if I really, really want.

So tell me if you want, if you really really want!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 27 February 2018, 20:44:42
This is just not a problem. I'm not sure where this started, but it is seriously not a thing.

Really?  Look around on these boards about the discussion of the plastic minis, primarily before or when the AS Lance Packs were announced.  I know I saw people talking about buying two, three or four boxes just to bulk out their minis.

But these new box sets will be the exclusive source for how long to get the Classic minis?  And to have one of each, a old-timer will have to buy one of each box which means its not a box of either sort getting a new player started.  Not having it be a loss leader I think does cut the effect of that problem, but that is why I was asking about lance packs with just the minis- because to be honest that is probably all I would want from the box.  Which with the numbers makes the $60 box still better priced than metal but not as much as the lance packs.

I would definitely be willing to shell out $60 for 3 Lance packs with the new 9 mechs & 3 repeats and leave the box for new players.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 27 February 2018, 20:51:37
No need to stun me. I'll tell you if I want, if I really, really want.

So tell me if you want, if you really really want!

Note to self: new rule banning late-90's earworms.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 27 February 2018, 20:58:02
I would definitely be willing to shell out $60 for 3 Lance packs with the new 9 mechs & 3 repeats and leave the box for new players.
I don’t expect we’ll see $20 Lance Packs again.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Scotty on 27 February 2018, 21:05:02
For 8 minis at 60 is seems a bit high, but if you include the punch-outs its not as bad.. but I prefer the old box. Just sell a box minis only for 40 and I would buy several and be happy.

No, eight minis for $60 is high for what BattleTech has offered in the past, which was pointed out by Adrian on the previous page was also a loss-leader.

$7.50 per mini isn't bad, when the only other place to get BattleTech miniatures is IronWind Metals, and the box comes with more than just the minis.

BattleTech players have been spoiled for cost for decades on the box set minis front.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 27 February 2018, 22:23:13
I just don't want CGL pushed into the overpriced Games Workshop category. I could buy into several other games that offer a box of 8-24 plastic detailed minis for $35 or less or a full game with 40+ for $100.

As for lance packs... if you already have the molds paid for why not use them for lance packs as well?? If seems STUPID not to reuse the box set molds for other purposes. Sell the minis individually or as part of a new lance pack. Many of the old hands will snatch up the new boxes meant to attract new players so it would be better to offer them an alternative to buying up 3-5 box sets for the new designs.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: nckestrel on 27 February 2018, 22:47:49
I just don't want CGL pushed into the overpriced Games Workshop category. I could buy into several other games that offer a box of 8-24 plastic detailed minis for $35 or less or a full game with 40+ for $100.

As for lance packs... if you already have the molds paid for why not use them for lance packs as well?? If seems STUPID not to reuse the box set molds for other purposes. Sell the minis individually or as part of a new lance pack. Many of the old hands will snatch up the new boxes meant to attract new players so it would be better to offer them an alternative to buying up 3-5 box sets for the new designs.

Because fans assume they like something, so it sells well.  It's a bubble. The truth is most of the world doesn't care, and you (and I and every other BattleTech fan) are a tiny number.  BattleTech needs one product that sells well, and cannot afford to divide those same sales into multiple different products.  One product selling well makes distributors happy, and game store owners happy, and makes the game profitable.  Two products each selling less does not.  Suddenly BattleTech is back to not being on shelves and being viewed as dead.
If the box sets and other moves CGL makes grow the fan base, more products are possible. But you can't assume that yet.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 27 February 2018, 23:18:47
But that is the thing, if the box sets are snatched up in multiples again by current customers then its not growing the fan base.  And by issuing the boxes with the only way to get the Classics until IWM releases them at a later date that will not be announced at the same, its what will happen.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 27 February 2018, 23:25:27
But that is the thing, if the box sets are snatched up in multiples again by current customers then its not growing the fan base.  And by issuing the boxes with the only way to get the Classics until IWM releases them at a later date that will not be announced at the same, its what will happen.

I believe this has already been addressed by Brent re: designing the product for faster reprintability, keeping it "in print". Honestly, from the statements I've seen so far, I wouldn't get my anxiety level up over that phenomenon; there appears to be a lot of lessons learned running through the development decisions. Let the new line strategy play out and observe.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Valkerie on 28 February 2018, 01:04:50
What seems to be the case, at least talking on the business side, is that “vanilla, chocolate, and strawberry” isn’t “Mechs, vehicles and infantry,” but instead “Mechs, other Mechs, and more Mechs.” Vehicles and infantry are the flavors you experiment with once you have your solid dozen flavors.

So to this point, my step-son brings one of his friends over briefly yesterday.  While here, he spots my mini collection.  I've never seen a teenage boy get so excited.  I've got some tanks on the shelves and they were not even noticed.  It was all about the Mechs.  And he wants to learn how to play Alpha Strike with us now because of them.

And back in the day it was the same for me and my brother as well.  Vehicles came later.  So I think you are on the right track there Adrian.  8)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 28 February 2018, 01:09:09
Honestly, I love me some combined arms, but I own hundreds of mech miniatures but only a few vehicles (and the bulk of my vehicles are actually from other, cheaper sources because I don't have the same compulsion to spend on them as mechs).

So yeah, I can see that.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 28 February 2018, 02:02:37
Honestly, I love me some combined arms, but I own hundreds of mech miniatures but only a few vehicles (and the bulk of my vehicles are actually from other, cheaper sources because I don't have the same compulsion to spend on them as mechs).

So yeah, I can see that.

speaking of minis, the increased emphasis on mechs is reflected by IWM - All vehicles for 3067 saw production, but every TRO since has huge holes in sculpts. For TRO 3145 and 3150, by my count 75 of 91 mech sculpts have been released or announced while on 16 of 68 vehicles have (and tend to be online exclusives rather than retail distribution when they are produced).
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SCC on 28 February 2018, 05:35:37
You know, thought about established players buying multiple copies of the old box sets to have multiple of each mini really says something about how much they want new designs.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Geont on 28 February 2018, 06:04:59
You know, thought about established players buying multiple copies of the old box sets to have multiple of each mini really says something about how much they want new designs.

From what was said I think this problem was more relevant in case of introboxes. New boxes have less miniatures but cost same so CGL gets enough cash to do reprint faster. New boxes aren't that good for price of individual minis as were introboxes.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 28 February 2018, 06:13:31
It's a bit of an almost Catch-22 situation.

Need new box sets for new players.

Existing players told by some: "DON"T BUY THE BOX SETS! THEY ARE FOR NEW PLAYERS ONLY!!!!"

if box sets don't sell, no money to keep in production for new players

Myself...I'l buy probably 4 or each of the box sets, but I will do so, only as special orders...or God Willing...At GEN-CON

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 28 February 2018, 10:47:02
I know I will buy what I can. Im not going to Gencon and finding a FLGS + Battletech is getting harder and harder these days.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 28 February 2018, 10:49:47
It's a bit of an almost Catch-22 situation.

Need new box sets for new players.

Existing players told by some: "DON"T BUY THE BOX SETS! THEY ARE FOR NEW PLAYERS ONLY!!!!"

if box sets don't sell, no money to keep in production for new players

Myself...I'l buy probably 4 or each of the box sets, but I will do so, only as special orders...or God Willing...At GEN-CON

We've been told that the new boxes will be sold at a profitable price point. At the end of the day, CGL is a business that has to make money to keep the doors open. Every profitable sale is a good thing.

If the new pricing allows CGL to keep the boxes in print longer, the newbies will sort themselves out just fine.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 28 February 2018, 11:17:25
We've been told that the new boxes will be sold at a profitable price point. At the end of the day, CGL is a business that has to make money to keep the doors open. Every profitable sale is a good thing.

If the new pricing allows CGL to keep the boxes in print longer, the newbies will sort themselves out just fine.

Exactly.

Remember that experienced BT players buying boxes for their own use isn't the worst thing--unless those minis never leave that person's basement. If they're taking their newly-painted minis to their local game store and setting up a game which might attract some new players, that's great, too.

Yes, it's on management to make sure that there's product on the shelves for those now-interested players to buy. But that situation is far better for growing the game than a bunch of unsold product gathering dust on the shelf in the hopes that the right person wanders by in the right mood to try something new.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: RoundTop on 28 February 2018, 12:03:38
To head off some of the "why are there fewer mechs" discussions. Here are some factors.

#1) The cost of cardboard/paper has gone up in the last 5 years, over 300%. This makes the box and inserts more expensive.
#2) Mini quality. The new ones are MASSIVELY more detailed than the previous box. They are also a bit larger, and the plastic (from discussions with TPTB) will be much harder than the previous box.
#3) Inflation. Everything gets more expensive, but the cost doesn't go up, so a reduction has to be made somewhere.
#4) The last boxes were a loss leader (no profit), even when they were produced, before the cost of materials went up substantially. This can't stand any longer.

I can say I have personally seen the new maps (drool-worthy) and the mechs (3D-printed final prototypes) and they are awesome. I'll gladly put down $80 for it all (20 for the beginner box and 60 for the core).
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 28 February 2018, 12:17:00
I definitely think not selling as a loss leader is a good idea.  My LGS can't keep the starter box on the shelf when it's available, but very few people come into the shop looking for games.  There are a lot of people who see BattleTech as a board game rather than a larger tabletop experience.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 28 February 2018, 12:20:27
Quote
"DON"T BUY THE BOX SETS! THEY ARE FOR NEW PLAYERS ONLY!!!!"
BULLSHIT. Enough of that. Buy as many as you want. Buy them all. That’s not how this works. Do we need to post the old ladies and the ‘Facebook wall’ meme?

Anyone who wants to buy hordes of box sets but feels guilty about it, BUY THEM, sign up with the CDT, run games and demos at your local stores, and ASK FOR more. There. No guilty conscience.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 28 February 2018, 12:20:36
To head off some of the "why are there fewer mechs" discussions. Here are some factors.

Great points.

It's easy to boil this down into a numbers game, "we used to get X 'Mechs, now we're only getting Y." But that only makes sense if you view the intro boxes as nothing more than Army Boxes for BT--you're been playing for 20 years, so everything else in the box is irrelevant fluff. "But we're the only ones buying them/supporting the game, so the boxes should only give us what we want and lots of it!" It's a symptom of what got the game to where it is now.

To reiterate what Ray said upthread, literally everything in the box is all-new, and geared toward hooking the new players we very much need.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 28 February 2018, 12:23:29
BULLSHIT. Enough of that. Buy as many as you want. Buy them all. That’s not how this works. Do we need to post the old ladies and the ‘Facebook wall’ meme?

Anyone who wants to buy hordes of box sets but feels guilty about it, BUY THEM, sign up with the CDT, run games and demos at your local stores, and ASK FOR more. There. No guilty conscience.

THANKYOU! (sheesh, it should be obvious)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Pat Payne on 28 February 2018, 13:03:02
THANKYOU! (sheesh, it should be obvious)

It should be, but where would we be without human nature?  ;D (Don't answer that. PLEASE don't answer that. I'm depressed enough...  O:-))

Seriously, the idea of fewer minis but a potentially expanded production run sounds like a win-win. Yeah, we'll no longer get 26 plastic minis, but the ones we DO get look awesome (especially the Awesome) and so I'm willing to accept that the days of "get nearly a battalion in plastic for $60" are at an end. Particularly if it draws new players into the game.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 28 February 2018, 14:46:14
I don’t expect we’ll see $20 Lance Packs again.

Yeah, I've been picking them up to $10-$15 at cons for a while now! They are a super deal if you don't mind ending up with more Crockett's than canon says were ever produced.  :)

serious talk: I'll buy at least one of both new boxes for the minis alone. Will I buy MORE than one box just for the minis?...maybe, but probably not. Well have to see how badly I want plastic Battlemasters.

Also, I've heard that anecdote about cardboard products getting significantly more expensive from other gaming sources as well. However, I never found much info on what exactly got so pricey. Is it the actual cardboard, or is it really just printed, die-cut products made from cardboard that went crazy on the pricing?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 28 February 2018, 14:56:13
The discussion of punchcard minis was not a new one. It helps if a company is very very savvy with how they produce and manage their art resources. To that i’ll add:
 >:(
:-X
You’re welcome.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Pat Payne on 28 February 2018, 14:57:46
However, I never found much info on what exactly got so pricey. Is it the actual cardboard, or is it really just printed, die-cut products made from cardboard that went crazy on the pricing?

It's the actual cardboard. I work at a company that sells shipping supplies, and prices are going up for things even as simple as plain brown corrugated shipping boxes due to a rise in price on the cardboard market.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 28 February 2018, 15:06:46
To head off some of the "why are there fewer mechs" discussions. Here are some factors.

#1) The cost of cardboard/paper has gone up in the last 5 years, over 300%. This makes the box and inserts more expensive.


It's the actual cardboard. I work at a company that sells shipping supplies, and prices are going up for things even as simple as plain brown corrugated shipping boxes due to a rise in price on the cardboard market.

This seems really strange to me since my local town has put out a news blitz about cardboard being nearly 100% recycleable. Not saying you're wrong, you clearly aren't. Just weird that more cardboard is being recycled but it's more expensive. I'd think the reverse would be true. More cardboard being recycled would mean that it would be cheaper.

Oh well. Nobody said the world made sense.

On a different note, I'm glad the new minis are coming in the boxed sets, but it's not a huge deal for me. I've used lots of LEGO proxies in the past and I don't think I'll stop doing it in the future. But I can't wait for the new maps.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 28 February 2018, 15:13:57
Maybe they won't use cardboard and go with the plastic ones the old WizKidz pirate game used.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 28 February 2018, 15:21:30
We did not have that option or it was out of price range.
There was a more economical thin, stiff, foam, which would have allowed for even more to be included, but without being able to get the material in hand, some of us felt that it just wouldn’t do.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Geont on 28 February 2018, 15:34:18
We did not have that option or it was out of price range.
There was a more economical thin, stiff, foam, which would have allowed for even more to be included, but without being able to get the material in hand, some of us felt that it just wouldn’t do.

I think that I know what foam material you mean. I have few 3D puzzles (japanese castle and two chinese/korean medieval ships). They were from some type of foam material.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 28 February 2018, 15:37:12

#4) The last boxes were a loss leader (no profit), even when they were produced, before the cost of materials went up substantially. This can't stand any longer.


This, by itself, explains a lot about why the past two boxed sets were out of print so much.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 28 February 2018, 15:53:53
Maybe they won't use cardboard and go with the plastic ones the old WizKidz pirate game used.

I miss that game. Loads of fun, but I was priced out of it by a guy at our store at the time who could afford to go all-in on every collectible game he laid eyes on, get the good stuff from the outset, and lord his victories over everyone else.

This seems really strange to me since my local town has put out a news blitz about cardboard being nearly 100% recycleable. Not saying you're wrong, you clearly aren't. Just weird that more cardboard is being recycled but it's more expensive. I'd think the reverse would be true. More cardboard being recycled would mean that it would be cheaper.

I imagine the reverse is true. People are recycling cardboard more because new cardboard is so much more expensive. It may take some time for recycling programs to have enough of an effect on supply to swing prices.

We did not have that option or it was out of price range.
There was a more economical thin, stiff, foam, which would have allowed for even more to be included, but without being able to get the material in hand, some of us felt that it just wouldn’t do.

Has there been any thought as to the feasibility of selling counters as pdfs if these prove successful? It would allow players to make their own, possibly expanding the available selection.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 28 February 2018, 15:54:21
BULLSHIT. Enough of that. Buy as many as you want. Buy them all. That’s not how this works. Do we need to post the old ladies and the ‘Facebook wall’ meme?

Anyone who wants to buy hordes of box sets but feels guilty about it, BUY THEM, sign up with the CDT, run games and demos at your local stores, and ASK FOR more. There. No guilty conscience.

By your command.  :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: monbvol on 28 February 2018, 15:57:18
This seems really strange to me since my local town has put out a news blitz about cardboard being nearly 100% recycleable. Not saying you're wrong, you clearly aren't. Just weird that more cardboard is being recycled but it's more expensive. I'd think the reverse would be true. More cardboard being recycled would mean that it would be cheaper.

Oh well. Nobody said the world made sense.

On a different note, I'm glad the new minis are coming in the boxed sets, but it's not a huge deal for me. I've used lots of LEGO proxies in the past and I don't think I'll stop doing it in the future. But I can't wait for the new maps.

As someone with a lot of family involvement with producing paper products(including cardboard boxes) I can tell you that recycling cardboard doesn't actually save that much in terms of money.  Some yes but not as much as soda cans.  It does save quite a bit environmentally.

But back on topic I find it is great news that the new box sets are being priced such that they will not suffer the same problem as the old one as I did actually consider the main problem of the old one was it was too much product for the price.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 28 February 2018, 16:02:14
I miss that game. Loads of fun, but I was priced out of it by a guy at our store at the time who could afford to go all-in on every collectible game he laid eyes on, get the good stuff from the outset, and lord his victories over everyone else.

That was one of the coolest constructibles I’ve ever seen. I’d buy quite a lot of units if they were of that quality. Maybe a nice alternative spinoff game someday.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 28 February 2018, 16:18:40
I'm just going to go ahead and blame the high cardboard prices on Nintendo's Labo...  ::)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 28 February 2018, 16:29:11
I miss that game as well. Must be something in the air, because I was thinking about it the last few days, and then yesterday my friends at Firelock Games (makes or Blood & Plunder) we’re showing off a fleet scale game they’re developing, and they were using PotSM ships as placeholders. Now you guys bring it up out of the blue.

(Or you saw the same posts I did *shrug*)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 28 February 2018, 16:31:50
That was one of the coolest constructibles I’ve ever seen. I’d buy quite a lot of units if they were of that quality. Maybe a nice alternative spinoff game someday.

You bastard Weirdo. Now I'm looking online at Pirates pack prices. I may be able to salve this by buying one of those metal model thingies. Maybe.

I miss that game as well. Must be something in the air, because I was thinking about it the last few days, and then yesterday my friends at Firelock Games (makes or Blood & Plunder) we’re showing off a fleet scale game they’re developing, and they were using PotSM ships as placeholders. Now you guys bring it up out of the blue.

(Or you saw the same posts I did *shrug*)

I know right? It's just so... satisfying to crack out the plasticard and and make a hull and tall-sails in just a few steps.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 28 February 2018, 16:36:46
You bastard Weirdo. Now I'm looking online at Pirates pack prices. I may be able to salve this by buying one of those metal model thingies. Maybe.
i went through that phase already a few days ago. :D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 28 February 2018, 16:51:00
I miss that game as well. Must be something in the air, because I was thinking about it the last few days, and then yesterday my friends at Firelock Games (makes or Blood & Plunder) we’re showing off a fleet scale game they’re developing, and they were using PotSM ships as placeholders. Now you guys bring it up out of the blue.

(Or you saw the same posts I did *shrug*)

Don't look at me. The only AoS gaming aside from the Wizkids game I've ever done is WSIM or Captains Bold.

i went through that phase already a few days ago. :D


You guys are lucky. I haven't touched anything of that game in over a decade...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 28 February 2018, 16:55:00
I'll just leave this here for you all:

http://wholesalegaming.biz/pirates/ (http://wholesalegaming.biz/pirates/)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 28 February 2018, 16:57:30
I'll just leave this here for you all:

http://wholesalegaming.biz/pirates/ (http://wholesalegaming.biz/pirates/)

Read that as "wholesome gaming"...was going to say, that seems widely out of place around here... :D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 28 February 2018, 17:21:58
I can say I have personally seen the new maps (drool-worthy) and the mechs (3D-printed final prototypes) and they are awesome. I'll gladly put down $80 for it all (20 for the beginner box and 60 for the core).

And I will willingly do that to a factor of at least 4 times to have enough stuff to run demos from LANCE LEVEL to ALPHA STRIKE LEVEL and allow both teams the same minis
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 28 February 2018, 17:27:01
As awesome as the minis look...it's the possibility of seeing new mapsheets out again that's got me super excited...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 28 February 2018, 17:37:22
This seems really strange to me since my local town has put out a news blitz about cardboard being nearly 100% recycleable. Not saying you're wrong, you clearly aren't. Just weird that more cardboard is being recycled but it's more expensive. I'd think the reverse would be true. More cardboard being recycled would mean that it would be cheaper.

Oh well. Nobody said the world made sense.

It is, but see, here's the thing people need to be aware of in the recycling biz.

When one make cardboard versus paper, the fibers are often coarser, and less refined.

When Paper is recycled it is made, I don't want to say worse, but the quality is in some ways diminished through the process:

Quote
Process (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_recycling)

The process of waste paper recycling most often involves mixing used/old paper with water and chemicals to break it down. It is then chopped up and heated, which breaks it down further into strands of cellulose, a type of organic plant material; this resulting mixture is called pulp, or slurry. It is strained through screens, which remove any glue or plastic (especially from plastic-coated paper) that may still be in the mixture then cleaned, de-inked, bleached, and mixed with water. Then it can be made into new recycled paper.

So, the cardboard has been reduced, and can be made into new cardboard, but still that process is not cheap nor easy:

Quote
Recycling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardboard#Recycling)

Most types of "cardboard" are recyclable. Boards that are laminates, wax coated, or treated for wet-strength are often more difficult to recycle. Clean cardboard (i.e., cardboard that has not been subject to chemical coatings) "is usually worth recovering, although often the difference between the value it realizes and the cost of recovery is marginal". Cardboard can be recycled for industrial or domestic use. For example, cardboard may be composted or shredded for animal bedding.

So, when Cardboard is recycled it goes from Heavy Duty to less heavy duty, to ultimately either recycled note paper or tissue/toilet paper.

Take a look some time at the actual fibres of the various papers in your house.

Cardboard: Thick, Long Fibres
Writing Paper: Thin, short fibres
Tissue Paper/Toilet Paper: Thin, very fine, very short fibres.

Now remember what was said above; In Recycling the recovered paper product is chopped up and mixed with chemicals. So each step through the process is reducing what has come before.

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Scotty on 28 February 2018, 18:18:55
i went through that phase already a few days ago. :D

Warships of the Inner Sphere when
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 28 February 2018, 19:54:38
I'll just leave this here for you all:

http://wholesalegaming.biz/pirates/ (http://wholesalegaming.biz/pirates/)

You monster!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 28 February 2018, 23:10:07
I like what I'm hearing, so please understand that when I say that I'll believe it when the product hits shelves, I am in no way wishing failure on anyone. It is a challenge, but one I hope CGL meets.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: GRUD on 28 February 2018, 23:37:20
I keep seeing a LOT of posts by people complaining (NOT the word I wanted to use) about some of us buying the new box sets JUST for our Collections.  Like, How DARE we spend OUR OWN MONEY for what WE want to buy, I guess?  Rather than post the reply that I'd Like to make, which would most certainly get me a Warning, I'll simply say that I'll continue to support CGL and their BT franchise, no matter the product.  I don't care for the Clans, but if they'd ever released the Clan Box Set, I WOULD have bought one.


If anyone has a "Problem" with my attitude, bear in mind that I have a "Problem" with anyone trying to tell me how to spend MY money.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: abou on 01 March 2018, 00:06:33
I keep seeing a LOT of posts by people complaining (NOT the word I wanted to use) about some of us buying the new box sets JUST for our Collections.  Like, How DARE we spend OUR OWN MONEY for what WE want to buy, I guess?  Rather than post the reply that I'd Like to make, which would most certainly get me a Warning, I'll simply say that I'll continue to support CGL and their BT franchise, no matter the product.  I don't care for the Clans, but if they'd ever released the Clan Box Set, I WOULD have bought one.


If anyone has a "Problem" with my attitude, bear in mind that I have a "Problem" with anyone trying to tell me how to spend MY money.
Grud, the problem with the previous box set was that it was a loss for the company in the same way the Playstation was for Sony. The company could only afford to release so many box sets in the hopes that it would generate enough interest in the line and sell accessory products and supplements to recoup costs. Hence the fear that dedicated players purchasing all the stock shuts out new players. To be honest, had I known this was the case, I wouldn't have purchased the new box set either. The discussion earlier in this thread was bringing up how it would be wise for the current fans to hold off to allow new players to get into the game. Otherwise we hurt ourselves in the long run.

However, now that we know this new box set is not a loss leader for the company and that it makes a profit on every box sold, that previous concern is moot. Buy all the boxes you want because now CGL would have the money to keep it in print.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 01 March 2018, 00:10:50
As a reminder, this:

BULLSHIT. Enough of that. Buy as many as you want. Buy them all. That’s not how this works. Do we need to post the old ladies and the ‘Facebook wall’ meme?

Anyone who wants to buy hordes of box sets but feels guilty about it, BUY THEM, sign up with the CDT, run games and demos at your local stores, and ASK FOR more. There. No guilty conscience.

So stop with the whole "collectors shouldn't have bought the box sets" nonsense. It is utterly untrue.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Phobos101 on 01 March 2018, 02:47:53
It's good to hear that CGL will be able to make some bank and reprint the new sets. Nothing is more frustrating as a customer who wants to see a game grow, than to be told that buying a product will hurt said game.

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 01 March 2018, 09:14:21
I miss that game. Loads of fun, but I was priced out of it by a guy at our store at the time who could afford to go all-in on every collectible game he laid eyes on, get the good stuff from the outset, and lord his victories over everyone else.

I have this old GI Joe commercial (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KjrzgBilVE&t=4) flashing through my head, with "Cobra Raven" replaced by "Power Gamer". (Apologies if you get that stuck in your head, but it's better than a Spice Girls song being stuck there. I think.)

I imagine the reverse is true. People are recycling cardboard more because new cardboard is so much more expensive. It may take some time for recycling programs to have enough of an effect on supply to swing prices.

Good point about the time. And bonus points for using "effect" properly and not using "impact." (A personal peeve of mine.)

Has there been any thought as to the feasibility of selling counters as pdfs if these prove successful? It would allow players to make their own, possibly expanding the available selection.

You know that would be awesome. Get some thicker cardstock from the local office supply store and print all I needed? I could finally deploy all the infantry used by an RCT... man. How many mapsheets is that going to take?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 01 March 2018, 09:31:43
Having Battletech in that old Pirates setup maybe better way to do Alpha Strike and put into easier game for new player to pickup. Card, punch out mech, try not to accidentally swallow mini-mini-dice (like pirates) and play on terrain done.

I'll be happy XTRO Succession Wars II or TRO Golden Century or Irregular Tech out one these days before Summer.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Karasu on 01 March 2018, 09:54:24
I miss that game. Loads of fun, but I was priced out of it by a guy at our store at the time who could afford to go all-in on every collectible game he laid eyes on, get the good stuff from the outset, and lord his victories over everyone else.

Personally, I preferred the Rocketmen game with a similar system that they did.  I've been using some of the ships for battles in Savage Worlds Slipstream recently.

And to get back on topic, I want the new maps!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Foxx Ital on 01 March 2018, 11:15:17
I personally would love a box set that came with a star of elementals. I get everyone hails to the king, but im a bigger fan of the battle armor..as if theres no way you guys can tell that ^_^.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 01 March 2018, 11:22:04
I personally would love a box set that came with a star of elementals. I get everyone hails to the king, but im a bigger fan of the battle armor..as if theres no way you guys can tell that ^_^.

You heard it here first, folks. Fans demand the return of BATTLETROOPS!

[Disclaimer: Actual demand not guaranteed. Offer void where prohibited by law.]
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 01 March 2018, 12:09:30
Having Battletech in that old Pirates setup maybe better way to do Alpha Strike and put into easier game for new player to pickup. Card, punch out mech, try not to accidentally swallow mini-mini-dice (like pirates) and play on terrain done.
Nah. AS is a miniatures game. Traditional BT is a board game. Would be better the other way around, but it’s a moot point.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tyler Jorgensson on 01 March 2018, 13:35:51
Agree with Foxx: Elemental boxes would be awesome. That being said I'll compromise with Clan Star miniature boxes or Clan starter boxes. I'm really depressed over here as a Ghost Bear and all I can show my trothkin is my Inner Sphere Battalion while I assemble the Clan force one expensive to my paycheck mech at a time. Damn Spheroids!!!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Azakael on 01 March 2018, 15:18:51
You heard it here first, folks. Fans demand the return of BATTLETROOPS!

[Disclaimer: Actual demand not guaranteed. Offer void where prohibited by law.]

Not gonna' lie... I'd love to have a trooper scale game where the difference in Battle Armor *feels* different, rather than just slight variations on mobility, armor, and damage/ range...

Also, where they move more than 1 - 4 or so hexes (Or 2"-8")
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Foxx Ital on 01 March 2018, 20:38:06
Not gonna' lie... I'd love to have a trooper scale game where the difference in Battle Armor *feels* different, rather than just slight variations on mobility, armor, and damage/ range...

Also, where they move more than 1 - 4 or so hexes (Or 2"-8")

 You got me drooling.

Agree with Foxx: Elemental boxes would be awesome. That being said I'll compromise with Clan Star miniature boxes or Clan starter boxes. I'm really depressed over here as a Ghost Bear and all I can show my trothkin is my Inner Sphere Battalion while I assemble the Clan force one expensive to my paycheck mech at a time. Damn Spheroids!!!

 Yes something like this would have me throwing money, heck id be okay if it was clan mechs with cardboard cutouts for the battle armor. Tho some minis would be icing..one can dream right? ^_^
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tegyrius on 04 March 2018, 22:39:15
Not gonna' lie... I'd love to have a trooper scale game where the difference in Battle Armor *feels* different, rather than just slight variations on mobility, armor, and damage/ range...

Now I want to start scouring eBay and secondhand game sites for this:

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3271/battlesuit
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SteelRaven on 04 March 2018, 22:52:14
Funny no one brought up AToW #P
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 05 March 2018, 01:10:54
I've always been wanting to use AToW's squad combat rules as a standalone infantry combat game. Anybody else do this, and was it any fun?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Scotty on 05 March 2018, 01:37:50
I've always been wanting to use AToW's squad combat rules as a standalone infantry combat game. Anybody else do this, and was it any fun?

It's a lot of information to keep track of.  Moreso even than in a regular BattleTech game, once you consider that most battlefields especially at the infantry level are neither sparse nor flat.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: BrokenMnemonic on 05 March 2018, 15:06:39
Random question, but has it been mentioned who the UK/European distributor will be for the two new box sets? I dropped my FLGS an email about pre-ordering and they hadn't spotted them coming up for order yet, but it'd be nice to be able to tell them which distributor to watch for.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Fat Guy on 05 March 2018, 15:59:55
I'd hazard a guess of around Origins or Gen Con for initial release.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 09 March 2018, 10:20:42
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=60649.msg1383477

Okay, so they got the first new novel out.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 09 March 2018, 10:46:54
Wonder if they'll release that via Drivethru or Catalyst store as ebook?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 09 March 2018, 11:04:50
Repackage of the anthology?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 09 March 2018, 11:05:16
Its already out on Kindle.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 09 March 2018, 11:07:33
Okay, maybe I am confused . . . I thought it was supposed to be all new fiction, but I see reviews on Amazon for this book going back to 2014?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Nultaar on 09 March 2018, 11:14:56
Okay, maybe I am confused . . . I thought it was supposed to be all new fiction, but I see reviews on Amazon for this book going back to 2014?

Sarna has it publiched originally as a pdf between 2012 and 2013

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/The_Nellus_Academy_Incident
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: nckestrel on 09 March 2018, 11:16:58
Okay, maybe I am confused . . . I thought it was supposed to be all new fiction, but I see reviews on Amazon for this book going back to 2014?
This book had a Kindle edition for a while (2014).  Before that it was released as a serial on Battlecorps (2012-2013). It was just released in print.
It's not the new fiction that has been talked about.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 09 March 2018, 11:55:36
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=60649.msg1383477

Okay, so they got the first new novel out.

Huzzah!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 March 2018, 12:01:51
It's not the new fiction that has been talked about.
Jennifer is currently working on a new trilogy (new characters, new story, set in the opening stages of ilClan), then there’s Blaine’s novel (spanning Twilight of the aflame through Dark Age) in the final stages for publication, as well as new novellas/novels by Blaine and Jason Schmetzer in development. 

Should have a press release for everything in development as soon as…soon as I review and give the green light.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 09 March 2018, 12:32:53
The important thing, to me, is that the novel is available in physical form. That's a solid step forward, even if the material is a few years old.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 09 March 2018, 12:38:56
Not sure print matters any more for fiction . . . afaik, most new releases put out the hardback and epub at the same time.  They still delay the paperback as they used to in the old industry model.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SteelRaven on 09 March 2018, 12:54:51
good number of people I know read e-pubs or get the audio book.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 March 2018, 12:56:55
I don’t have time for anything but audiobooks anymore.
I’ve listened to more books in the past 8 months than I have read in nearly the last decade. Another few months and I’ll surpass it.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: nckestrel on 09 March 2018, 13:00:29
Not sure print matters any more for fiction . . . afaik, most new releases put out the hardback and epub at the same time.  They still delay the paperback as they used to in the old industry model.

There's a difference between print isn't everything, and print doesn't matter. 
https://www.statista.com/topics/1474/e-books/
"By 2018, e-book sales are forecast to account for about a quarter of global book sales."

https://www.statista.com/statistics/426799/e-book-unit-sales-usa/
For the last five years, ebook sales have been flat or even decreased. (The link above only goes to 2016, but I've seen numerous articles about 2017 and ebook sales slipping.)  At less than a quarter of all books.
Not having print is leaving you out of the majority of the book market.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 March 2018, 13:01:40
Yup.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 09 March 2018, 13:17:23
There's a difference between print isn't everything, and print doesn't matter. 
https://www.statista.com/topics/1474/e-books/
"By 2018, e-book sales are forecast to account for about a quarter of global book sales."

https://www.statista.com/statistics/426799/e-book-unit-sales-usa/
For the last five years, ebook sales have been flat or even decreased. (The link above only goes to 2016, but I've seen numerous articles about 2017 and ebook sales slipping.)  At less than a quarter of all books.
Not having print is leaving you out of the majority of the book market.

Is that just major publishers or does it also include the self-publishing that happens?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 09 March 2018, 14:38:11
I don’t have time for anything but audiobooks anymore.
I’ve listened to more books in the past 8 months than I have read in nearly the last decade. Another few months and I’ll surpass it.

Can we get Jason Hardy to do the audiobooks of the IlClan? I'm sure he'd make it dramatic.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 09 March 2018, 14:40:44
I don’t have time for anything but audiobooks anymore.
I’ve listened to more books in the past 8 months than I have read in nearly the last decade. Another few months and I’ll surpass it.


Exactly this.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: nckestrel on 09 March 2018, 15:22:44
Is that just major publishers or does it also include the self-publishing that happens?

I do not wish to run that errand for you. If you really want to know, I posted the links so you can check yourself.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 09 March 2018, 16:23:51
I apologize, it sounded like you were familiar with the work.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 09 March 2018, 16:50:15
Blaine’s novel (spanning Twilight of the aflame through Dark Age) in the final stages for publication, as well as new novellas/novels by Blaine and Jason Schmetzer in development. 

Should have a press release for everything in development as soon as…soon as I review and give the green light.
Not sound like a pain, but you mean Twilight of the Clans right?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Frabby on 09 March 2018, 17:45:19
The important thing, to me, is that the novel is available in physical form. That's a solid step forward, even if the material is a few years old.
+1 from me.
I ordered a DTF copy from Amazon the moment I saw the announcement, even though I got the story via BattleCorps back in 2012. I may not care for miniatures, but I seem to have a collector's attitude towards physical books. Epub just doesn't cut it.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: nckestrel on 09 March 2018, 17:59:59
I apologize, it sounded like you were familiar with the work.

Nope. I really did not know the relevant ratio, it was surprisingly more difficult to find that I expected.  Lots of "ebook sales up X%" and "print sales down Y%", but it took me a while to find the actual comparison.  I hate how the momentum trend is always reported instead of the actual.  Makes the new always sound more of a big deal that it actually is, just so they can make it sound more impressive.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 10 March 2018, 01:28:17
Jennifer is currently working on a new trilogy (new characters, new story, set in the opening stages of ilClan)...

You’re going to make me read young adult novels aren’t you. You do realize I’m powerless against ilClan, don’t you? Damn you! Well, I mean thanks for the fiction set in that era. I’m glad to see new stories coming out to help push the universe forward (I hope.)...but still, damn you.

I’m sure Jennifer will do solid work, it’s just that I am no longer a young adult. I’ve had to read some YA stuff with my kids. It’s pretty clear that my tolerance for angsty, insecure teenagers is...a bit low. Hell, I have a hard time going back and reading about Kai and Victor in their early stories without wanting to slap some sense into the both of them!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 10 March 2018, 01:45:24
Nope. I really did not know the relevant ratio, it was surprisingly more difficult to find that I expected.  Lots of "ebook sales up X%" and "print sales down Y%", but it took me a while to find the actual comparison.  I hate how the momentum trend is always reported instead of the actual.  Makes the new always sound more of a big deal that it actually is, just so they can make it sound more impressive.

I also wonder how much of a impact things like Amazon's sort of library program is where you do not buy the books but can instead read them.  It would fit in with other trends away from owning to renting.  I have no idea how the Amazon program works, I just know that while I preferred to buy Kindle books b/c I wanted to own a copy of the stories I could look at any time my wife is the opposite in that she wants to read what she is interested in at the time and would not likely re-read books.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: nckestrel on 10 March 2018, 02:05:50
I also wonder how much of a impact things like Amazon's sort of library program is where you do not buy the books but can instead read them.  It would fit in with other trends away from owning to renting.  I have no idea how the Amazon program works, I just know that while I preferred to buy Kindle books b/c I wanted to own a copy of the stories I could look at any time my wife is the opposite in that she wants to read what she is interested in at the time and would not likely re-read books.

My guess, completely insignficant.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 10 March 2018, 02:23:23
My guess, completely insignficant.

Yup. If it wasn't insignificant, the publishers wouldn't allow it.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sigil on 10 March 2018, 04:25:02
You’re going to make me read young adult novels aren’t you. You do realize I’m powerless against ilClan, don’t you? Damn you! Well, I mean thanks for the fiction set in that era. I’m glad to see new stories coming out to help push the universe forward (I hope.)...but still, damn you.

I’m sure Jennifer will do solid work, it’s just that I am no longer a young adult. I’ve had to read some YA stuff with my kids. It’s pretty clear that my tolerance for angsty, insecure teenagers is...a bit low. Hell, I have a hard time going back and reading about Kai and Victor in their early stories without wanting to slap some sense into the both of them!

I thought it an "interesting" choice to make it YA fiction.  Either CGL is intentionally targeting younger players or they have no idea what the average age of a BattleTech player is...

Still, in all fairness, I would consider the existing body of fictional work to be mostly YA fiction, so its not much of a departure from their past/current standards. 

That said, personally, I'm ready for BattleTech novels to mature a bit by addressing more serious themes in a darker, grittier, more realistic setting.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Frabby on 10 March 2018, 05:21:50
About that book being Young Adult literature...
I've already said elsewhere that it starts out in clean Star Trek style; Nellus Academy is basically Starfleet Academy complete with Marik-purple spandex suits and Wesley Crusher is the next guy around the corner... before the book turns into Band of Brothers from one chapter to the next. Not exactly your YA fare anymore all of a sudden. My opinion at least. YMMV.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Dubble_g on 10 March 2018, 06:14:32
That said, personally, I'm ready for BattleTech novels to mature a bit by addressing more serious themes in a darker, grittier, more realistic setting.

+1
That's my bag, baby (https://one-way-mirror.blogspot.jp/p/blog-page.html).  ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 10 March 2018, 08:41:26
I would listen to a Battletech Audio Book if there was one.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 10 March 2018, 08:59:13
I would listen to a Battletech Audio Book if there was one.

I think Audible has a few of the older ones, but my memory might be playing tricks on me this early in the morning.

You’re going to make me read young adult novels aren’t you. You do realize I’m powerless against ilClan, don’t you? Damn you! Well, I mean thanks for the fiction set in that era. I’m glad to see new stories coming out to help push the universe forward (I hope.)...but still, damn you.

I’m sure Jennifer will do solid work, it’s just that I am no longer a young adult. I’ve had to read some YA stuff with my kids. It’s pretty clear that my tolerance for angsty, insecure teenagers is...a bit low. Hell, I have a hard time going back and reading about Kai and Victor in their early stories without wanting to slap some sense into the both of them!

I can go either way on this.  On the one hand, my default setting on YA books is zero interest. On the other hand, though, the Hunger Games books (apart from the end) were pretty darned good.  I definitely get what you're saying, but I will remain... cautiously optimistic. 

I thought it an "interesting" choice to make it YA fiction.  Either CGL is intentionally targeting younger players or they have no idea what the average age of a BattleTech player is...

I think CGL is well aware of their player age.  We definitely need younger blood, though. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 10 March 2018, 11:37:35
I would listen to a Battletech Audio Book if there was one.

There are a few on Audible. I have "Wolves on the Border" from there. It's very heavily abridged though. :(
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Orin J. on 10 March 2018, 11:50:53
+1
That's my bag, baby (https://one-way-mirror.blogspot.jp/p/blog-page.html).  ;)

Guys, guys! We can have both! And more new blood means more [strike]meat for the grinder[/strike] new players to show the nuances of gameplay!  O:-)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sharkapult on 10 March 2018, 11:51:46
Probably 90% or so of the existing Battletech novels would be considered "Young Adult" novels today considering their content. The label doesn't necessarily mean the protagonist is a young teen, just that the narrative is not filled with overly graphic content. I may be wrong, (I haven't read the anything specific about these books) but it shouldn't be an immediate refusal on anyone's part.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SteelRaven on 10 March 2018, 12:34:34
It's funny how allot of veterans on this forum forgot that most of the older BT novels where written for a younger audience. (The BT cartoon wasn't aim at my current age group ether.) 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 10 March 2018, 12:40:23
Gotta bring in fresh blood to keep the franchise exciting and, ya know, viable.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cache on 10 March 2018, 12:44:29
I thought it an "interesting" choice to make it YA fiction.  Either CGL is intentionally targeting younger players or they have no idea what the average age of a BattleTech player is...

Still, in all fairness, I would consider the existing body of fictional work to be mostly YA fiction, so its not much of a departure from their past/current standards. 

That said, personally, I'm ready for BattleTech novels to mature a bit by addressing more serious themes in a darker, grittier, more realistic setting.
Trying to attract new fans with fiction aimed at a wide range of ages is the idea. Catering to a "core" group of fans from their childhood to death doesn't give the line much longevity, I'd expect. There's a huge audience of young (video) gamers out there. The entire new line won't be YA, as far as I've seen. Besides the YA author, Adrian Gideon just mentioned a novel by Pardoe, and additional novels/novellas by Schmetzer and Pardoe. They don't write what I'd classify as YA fiction.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 10 March 2018, 13:40:02
It's funny how allot of veterans on this forum forgot that most of the older BT novels where written for a younger audience. (The BT cartoon wasn't aim at my current age group ether.)

And that the entire Mecha fiction genre (much less BattleTech itself) owes its current existence to a YA novel written by Heinlein.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 10 March 2018, 15:06:16
Don’t get me wrong, making new novels YA-friendly is absolutely a smart move, and i can’t argue the business sense of doing so. It is exactly wat they should be doing, I just don’t know how much coming-of-age I can take without my brain rebelling and trying to escape through my nostrils.

Look, it’s not like I want Fifty Shades of Canopus or anything. I just tend to enjoy books more along the George R.R. Martin spectrum than the J.K. Rowling zone these days. Every once in a while, a hero needs to die in a way that isn’t fair because political scheming ate them alive. Otherwise, it just isn’t BattleTech!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 10 March 2018, 15:41:32
...Look, it’s not like I want Fifty Shades of Canopus or anything...

I bet it would sell.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 10 March 2018, 16:40:23
I bet it would sell.

The catgirl and mermaid fetishists would rejoice.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 10 March 2018, 17:50:42
The catgirl and mermaid fetishists would rejoice.

and sales figures would confirm it is a much bigger fanclub than initially estimated. AToW scenarios by Danielle Steel will be soon to follow.

A good number of us were brought into the universe through media not the boardgame. I can't imagine new fiction would be any worse than the current state of affairs for attracting new players

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Maingunnery on 10 March 2018, 17:59:31
The catgirl and mermaid fetishists would rejoice.
And then become the basis for a Hollywood blockbuster......
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 10 March 2018, 22:51:31
And then become the basis for a Hollywood blockbuster......

At long last, the much anticipated Battletech movie...

... set on Canopus, and not even mentioning Battlemechs.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Feenix74 on 10 March 2018, 23:46:45
And then become the basis for a Hollywood blockbuster......

I think that it might have already been done . . .

(https://d32qys9a6wm9no.cloudfront.net/images/movies/poster/48/885dabdc79a1e472ae30e8f7cb949b81_500x735.jpg?t=1519286679)

 ^-^
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Maingunnery on 11 March 2018, 06:36:55
I think that it might have already been done . . .
[snip]
 ^-^
That just makes it more likely as studios wish to cash in to that genre.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 11 March 2018, 07:13:37
And this has what to do with BattleTech's new and upcoming releases?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 11 March 2018, 14:44:25
offtopic......never in the Battletech Boards!!!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: monbvol on 11 March 2018, 17:31:37
And to be fair it has been a while since any product has actually come out, even a PDF exclusive.  Add in that we're in this gray zone where it actually has been a while sine new product was announced but not long enough for something else to be announced and it makes it hard to talk about things without re-hashing/repeating the same stuff over and over.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 11 March 2018, 20:54:40
If there are no new releases to talk about, have you considered finding new threads and topics to discuss? There's a whole forum out there, you know... :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 11 March 2018, 21:19:53
But its so much fun to whine about the lack of new product in this one!!!  :'( :P
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Frabby on 12 March 2018, 13:19:36
Got myself The Nellus Academy Incident in DTF, and it's got a preview of Brozek's upcoming novel in the back.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 12 March 2018, 14:18:52
Ooooo . . . any details from the preview you want to share?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Frabby on 12 March 2018, 16:25:47
Three parts, 3155 setting. FedSuns cadets/students facing off against a Kurita Warlord's forces when their world is invaded.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 12 March 2018, 17:21:02
Three parts, 3155 setting. FedSuns cadets/students facing off against a Kurita Warlord's forces when their world is invaded.

Insert .jpg of Randy getting slimed by the Spooky Ghost here.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 13 March 2018, 06:22:48
Three parts, 3155 setting. FedSuns cadets/students facing off against a Kurita Warlord's forces when their world is invaded.

FedSuns as the protagonists. The more things change the more they stay the same  [blank]
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 13 March 2018, 07:09:47
Well, it tells us the FS/DC border is still lively 5 years after 3150's TRO blurbs.  What world?  Lol, give a clue of where the border might be . . .
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 13 March 2018, 07:43:33
Well, it tells us the FS/DC border is still lively 5 years after 3150's TRO blurbs.  What world?  Lol, give a clue of where the border might be . . .

New Syrtis. ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: snewsom2997 on 13 March 2018, 09:25:04
I would listen to a Battletech Audio Book if there was one.

There are a few, Blood of Kerensky Trilogy, and the 4th SW book about Teddy K, they are abridged however, and they are old, sound quality not all that good.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kitsune413 on 13 March 2018, 14:53:42
Well, it tells us the FS/DC border is still lively 5 years after 3150's TRO blurbs.  What world?  Lol, give a clue of where the border might be . . .

It's set on the last Fedsuns world....

Edit: (This is misinformation by the way guys! Don't believe me.)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 18 March 2018, 17:04:48
Just going to leave this here for a bit.
(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/2/AADdZSjWeAbD0uPhLMqOvxoAAUoMXdlwUqt4cnz9ACL9xA/12/127101572/jpeg/1024x768/3/1521424800/0/2/IMG_3690.JPG/ENv_8WEY_uQBIAIoAg/AXo7W0TcMj098ZUL9gUKq0i7_jMnjNXVNy7NbCBKXX4?size=1024x768&size_mode=3)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 18 March 2018, 17:08:16
Ooooooo, shiny :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cache on 18 March 2018, 17:13:08
Just going to leave this here for a bit.
Pains me to see a Thunderbolt being abused like that, but it's a beautiful cover. Commander's Edition, eh?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: JadedFalcon on 18 March 2018, 17:25:20
Pains me to see a Thunderbolt being abused like that, but it's a beautiful cover. Commander's Edition, eh?
It's a Davion Thunderbolt, so it's okay.

But is it going to be just an errata update and rules compendium, or move to address some of the issues with the gameplay? Will there be a rules section related to specific factions (besides what's been published in CampOps)?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 18 March 2018, 17:26:26
i'm going to guess it's AS + ASC with the newest eratta?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kitsune413 on 18 March 2018, 17:37:24
Just going to leave this here for a bit.
(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/2/AADdZSjWeAbD0uPhLMqOvxoAAUoMXdlwUqt4cnz9ACL9xA/12/127101572/jpeg/1024x768/3/1521424800/0/2/IMG_3690.JPG/ENv_8WEY_uQBIAIoAg/AXo7W0TcMj098ZUL9gUKq0i7_jMnjNXVNy7NbCBKXX4?size=1024x768&size_mode=3)

That's a gorgeous cover.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Takiro on 18 March 2018, 17:48:14
Just going to leave this here for a bit.
(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/2/AADdZSjWeAbD0uPhLMqOvxoAAUoMXdlwUqt4cnz9ACL9xA/12/127101572/jpeg/1024x768/3/1521424800/0/2/IMG_3690.JPG/ENv_8WEY_uQBIAIoAg/AXo7W0TcMj098ZUL9gUKq0i7_jMnjNXVNy7NbCBKXX4?size=1024x768&size_mode=3)

Looks cool a bit.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Deadborder on 18 March 2018, 17:52:32
That's a gorgeous cover.

Seconded! Thank you for posting this!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 18 March 2018, 18:31:52
Just going to leave this here for a bit.
(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/2/AADdZSjWeAbD0uPhLMqOvxoAAUoMXdlwUqt4cnz9ACL9xA/12/127101572/jpeg/1024x768/3/1521424800/0/2/IMG_3690.JPG/ENv_8WEY_uQBIAIoAg/AXo7W0TcMj098ZUL9gUKq0i7_jMnjNXVNy7NbCBKXX4?size=1024x768&size_mode=3)


I'll take two.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 18 March 2018, 19:13:07
That is a great cover. So 2 new book out coming soon.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Charlie 6 on 18 March 2018, 19:13:40
Just going to leave this here for a bit.
(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/2/AADdZSjWeAbD0uPhLMqOvxoAAUoMXdlwUqt4cnz9ACL9xA/12/127101572/jpeg/1024x768/3/1521424800/0/2/IMG_3690.JPG/ENv_8WEY_uQBIAIoAg/AXo7W0TcMj098ZUL9gUKq0i7_jMnjNXVNy7NbCBKXX4?size=1024x768&size_mode=3)
Don't know why I feel this way but that cover about as Battletech as one can Battletech.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 18 March 2018, 19:15:45
Don't know why I feel this way but that cover about as Battletech as one can Battletech.

if it were a Kurita mech shooting a Davion mech I'd agree completely.  However, unless my eyes deceive I do believe those are RoTS markings on the Wolverine backstabbing the T-Bolt.  Which of course makes for an interesting statement as cover art.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 18 March 2018, 19:39:50
Just going to leave this here for a bit.
(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/2/AADdZSjWeAbD0uPhLMqOvxoAAUoMXdlwUqt4cnz9ACL9xA/12/127101572/jpeg/1024x768/3/1521424800/0/2/IMG_3690.JPG/ENv_8WEY_uQBIAIoAg/AXo7W0TcMj098ZUL9gUKq0i7_jMnjNXVNy7NbCBKXX4?size=1024x768&size_mode=3)

Should I interpret the subtitle to mean that the "Doomsday" edition is just around the corner? 

...asking for a friend.  ::)

[And yes, the cover looks fantastic]
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 18 March 2018, 19:49:24
if it were a Kurita mech shooting a Davion mech I'd agree completely.  However, unless my eyes deceive I do believe those are RoTS markings on the Wolverine backstabbing the T-Bolt.  Which of course makes for an interesting statement as cover art.

DRAMATIC CHORD (https://youtu.be/qG9_qnPZDvo)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Scotty on 18 March 2018, 19:50:32
if it were a Kurita mech shooting a Davion mech I'd agree completely.  However, unless my eyes deceive I do believe those are RoTS markings on the Wolverine backstabbing the T-Bolt.  Which of course makes for an interesting statement as cover art.

I think your eyes may deceive.  While the red matches a Triarii scheme, the unit insignia looks to me like the Alshain Avengers:

(http://www.camospecs.com/images/units/Kurita14thAlshainAvengers.gif)

Or potentially even a DMM unit.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 March 2018, 19:51:43
Well . . . while the loadout on the TBolt matches the -5S, the missile rack is in the wrong place but that is a long running joke.

The other side is if that is a Wolverine and if the blast is a PPC . . . then its in the wrong arm.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 18 March 2018, 19:54:59
I think your eyes may deceive.  While the red matches a Triarii scheme, the unit insignia looks to me like the Alshain Avengers:

(http://www.camospecs.com/images/units/Kurita14thAlshainAvengers.gif)

Or potentially even a DMM unit.

See it looks more to me like:

(http://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/e/e1/Republic_of_the_Sphere.jpg?timestamp=20130605190644)

admittedly lacking the motto and with the banner more and the aura less prominent.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Pat Payne on 18 March 2018, 20:03:39
Just going to leave this here for a bit.
(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/2/AADdZSjWeAbD0uPhLMqOvxoAAUoMXdlwUqt4cnz9ACL9xA/12/127101572/jpeg/1024x768/3/1521424800/0/2/IMG_3690.JPG/ENv_8WEY_uQBIAIoAg/AXo7W0TcMj098ZUL9gUKq0i7_jMnjNXVNy7NbCBKXX4?size=1024x768&size_mode=3)

New Alpha Strike? Beautiful new THUD illustration? Something being released? Good sir, you have my full and undivided attention :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Scotty on 18 March 2018, 20:18:06
See it looks more to me like:

(http://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/e/e1/Republic_of_the_Sphere.jpg?timestamp=20130605190644)

admittedly lacking the motto and with the banner more and the aura less prominent.

The circle shape on the logo is very offset high for it to be the ROTS logo.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 18 March 2018, 20:30:39
Could that be my beloved 7th C.L. getting the snot beat out of them (again)?

Why yes, I do believe it could.  ;D

I will loves and hugs my beloved losers fowever and fowever.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Mech42ace on 18 March 2018, 20:43:01
I think your eyes may deceive.  While the red matches a Triarii scheme, the unit insignia looks to me like the Alshain Avengers:

(http://www.camospecs.com/images/units/Kurita14thAlshainAvengers.gif)

Or potentially even a DMM unit.
Just my two cents, but if we're talking the insignia on the left shoulder, it resembles the Second Sword of Light to me as the grey curves around the right side of the circle.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 18 March 2018, 20:45:04
So what is it?
BMM-style compilation rulebook for Alpha Strike?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 18 March 2018, 20:46:39
Just my two cents, but if we're talking the insignia on the left shoulder, it resembles the Second Sword of Light to me as the grey curves around the right side of the circle.

I think we have a winner

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 18 March 2018, 20:49:07
Well CL vs SoL would be as BattleTechy as BattleTech ever gets.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 18 March 2018, 20:51:57
We've just made a major update and refresh to the Coming Soon page (https://bg.battletech.com/books/upcoming-releases/)! For your convenience, the full update is reposted below.

The following BattleTech books and game aids are on the upcoming schedule. If it is an e-book only release, it is noted in brackets. As covers become available, they're added to this page.

You'll notice that several previously announced products are not on this list. Any product not listed below is not currently in the production pipeline and its release is not on the immediate horizon. This is the current production list.

When details concerning street dates and reviews are available, those will be posted to the front page of bg.battletech.com (https://bg.battletech.com/). In no particular release order:

Boxed Sets
Release Date: 3rd Quarter 2018

These two new box sets are your first steps into the world's greatest armored combat game and include everything you need to get started. Existing players will enjoy all-new content including map sheets, fiction, and of course, `Mechs!

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Beginner Box ($19.99)
A ready-to-play starter set, perfect for someone who's just finished their first BattleTech demo and is ready for more action.

Contents:

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A Game of Armored Combat ($59.99)
The classic BattleTech boxed set, reimagined from the ground up and full of exciting new material and miniatures!

Contents:

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Shattered Fortress
Release Date: 2018

Kicking off the climactic ilClan storyline, Shattered Fortress sets the stage for the titanic clashes to come. As the nations and Clans of the Inner Sphere struggle for survival, the Republic of the Sphere and awakened Exarch Devlin Stone face enemies at their doorstep. Will the Dark Age give way to a new dawn — or an endless nightmare? The epic story begins here!


PDF-only Products
Release Date: 3rd Quarter 2018

A new wave of releases for the Touring the Stars, Spotlight On, and Turning Points series is on the horizon, with the previously announced Opposing Forces and Milestones lines still in development.

In addition, the Brush Wars series will find new life as the over-arching connection between all of the PDF-only lines. Each Brush Wars product will offer an expanded historical narrative on a little-seen conflict across all eras of BattleTech, from the Star League to ilClan and beyond. New entries of the established PDF lines will further flesh out each conflict, and each full "season" of products will eventually be available as a print-on-demand sourcebook. Stay tuned for more details about this exciting development!


Print on Demand
Release Date: Late 2018

A new series of exclusive Print-on-Demand (POD) sourcebooks will kick off with Capital Punishment, a collection of all Jihad Turning Points involving the Great Houses' capital worlds.


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Alpha Strike: Commander's Edition
Release Date: Summer 2018

This new edition of the Alpha Strike rules fully revises and updates the original Alpha Strike rulebook, including improvements and optional rules from the Alpha Strike Companion.


Core Book Reprints
Release Date: 3rd Quarter 2018 for Total Warfare; additional reprinted volumes to follow.

Reprints of every BattleTech core rulebook are on the way, beginning with Total Warfare this summer and including TechManual, Tactical Operations, Strategic Operations, and A Time of War.


Map Packs
Release Date: 2018 for first Map Pack; additional Map Packs to follow

Six all-new maps, designed to be easier to use and clearer to understand than ever before.


Fiction

New BattleTech fiction is in the works throughout 2018 for both print and e-book formats, including:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 18 March 2018, 21:01:43
Awesome Awesome!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 18 March 2018, 21:01:53
What are the pilot cards?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sellsword on 18 March 2018, 21:02:20
That beginner box set looks amazing. Excellent value at $20.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 18 March 2018, 21:05:40
What are the pilot cards?

More or less what they sound like--optional cards which allow players to add some character (literally) and SPAs to the Mechs contained in each box. They're intended to be usable both with the level of rules in each box, and with the full Total Warfare rules.

Each card offers a named character, a short bio, different Gunnery and Piloting Skills, and an SPA or two for each MechWarrior.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Feenix74 on 18 March 2018, 21:06:18
Thanks for the update Adrian, the covers look awesome thunderbolt-y.

Looking forward to getting my hands on the products when they are released.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 18 March 2018, 21:06:44
Do the pilots have set skill values in addition to SPAs or are those still determined conventionally?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 18 March 2018, 21:07:33
Do the pilots have set skill values in addition to SPAs or are those still determined conventionally?

Just updated my original post, the GS/PS for each are printed on the card.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 18 March 2018, 21:11:43
Well CL vs SoL would be as BattleTechy as BattleTech ever gets.

And I want it to be *my* 7th getting beat all to hell. I love being the underdog.

Also Cubby: the black beemer does suit you when you're doing your official speaking voice.  :))
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 18 March 2018, 21:12:52
Thanks for the answers.
Sounds interesting, hope you got more pilots coming in later in some form. I'm terrible at coming up with pilot callsigns/names. Pre-made pilots sound nice addition.

All in all, the coming releases look good. Just hoping you'll manage to stay on schedule, especially when it comes to Shattered Fortress.

Oh, and i hope the TROs weren't completely canned, even if they ain't coming anytime soon. They had rather interesting themes.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pensiveswetness on 18 March 2018, 21:13:03
*claps in delight* I wonder if my wife will allow me to spend some $$$?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 18 March 2018, 21:31:30
Sounds interesting, hope you got more pilots coming in later in some form. I'm terrible at coming up with pilot callsigns/names. Pre-made pilots sound nice addition.

Me too! If these are well-received, there's always possibilities for new cards in the future.

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All in all, the coming releases look good. Just hoping you'll manage to stay on schedule, especially when it comes to Shattered Fortress.

When I built this revised list, my strong professional opinion to management was to not include any date that was not solid enough to stand by. And, in cases where we weren't totally certain of a date, to shoot long. There are a lot of moving pieces, especially with the box sets, but my intention is to stay on top of the dates to provide updates and, where possible, explanations.

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Oh, and i hope the TROs weren't completely canned, even if they ain't coming anytime soon. They had rather interesting themes.

Not canned AFAIK, but their status just wasn't solid enough to include here, on the principle stated above.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 18 March 2018, 21:32:19
Also Cubby: the black beemer does suit you when you're doing your official speaking voice.  :))

Haven't you heard? It's the Dark Age.

There's been a communications...blackout.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Daemion on 18 March 2018, 21:33:08
The print-on-demand thing sounds nice. While PDF is good, I like to lie down with a book in the evening. Certain chairs in my house just don't do my back kindly for extended periods.

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 18 March 2018, 21:37:16
Me too! If these are well-received, there's always possibilities for new cards in the future.

I vote for these too. This is a very digestible product I could use in games.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Mendrugo on 18 March 2018, 21:37:37
Great to hear that the Front Lines anthology will be coming out.  Will it be in print, electronic, or both?  Also, what about the Legacy anthology?

Will the GDL prequel in the beginner box be different from the GDL prequel in the main box?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Phaedros on 18 March 2018, 21:38:11
Cubby, looks like there's a description error with the Beginner's Box. It is missing the 2 AS cards (which is important as the Griffin is unique to that box).
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 18 March 2018, 21:38:39
Thanks for the update Adrian, the covers look awesome thunderbolt-y.
You’re very welcome, but Cubby did all the hard work. He beat Brent and I until we have him enough information to put together a press release.

What are the pilot cards?
Maybe we’ll give a sneak peek this week or next.

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 18 March 2018, 21:39:32
Cubby, looks like there's a description error with the Beginner's Box. It is missing the 2 AS cards (which is important as the Griffin is unique to that box).
Those were pulled. AS cards only in the Game of Armored Combat Box.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Valkerie on 18 March 2018, 21:42:39
That's a whole lot of awesome news!   :thumbsup:  Are there plans to possibly have pilot cards available through the MUL, similar to the Alpha Strike cards?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Phaedros on 18 March 2018, 21:44:16
Those were pulled. AS cards only in the Game of Armored Combat Box.

Could they throw the Griffin card in to AGoAC then? :D

Edit: I'd like to note that not having the Griffin card is a point of contention in buying the Beginner's Box. XP
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 18 March 2018, 21:46:28
That's a whole lot of awesome news!   :thumbsup:  Are there plans to possibly have pilot cards available through the MUL, similar to the Alpha Strike cards?

No plans at the moment--we'd like to sell them via the new boxes first.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 18 March 2018, 21:51:28
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Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 18 March 2018, 21:53:08
Great to hear that the Front Lines anthology will be coming out.  Will it be in print, electronic, or both?  Also, what about the Legacy anthology?

Front Lines should be both, last I heard. I can try to get some clarity. (FWIW, we're getting a lot of good questions across all channels with this news, so it may take me awhile to run down answers.)

Legacy wasn't clear enough to include, but last I heard, the intent was to try to get it out this year, too. I'll ask on that as well.

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Will the GDL prequel in the beginner box be different from the GDL prequel in the main box?

Two different stories, but linked as part of a larger narrative.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Neo-Tanuki on 18 March 2018, 21:57:04
The Awesome (and all the new boxed set miniatures) look absolutely gorgeous.

I was already planning to get at least one box set (either basic or deluxe), but now I'm serious tempted to get two of the eight-mech box sets. They just look that good! AND I WANT TO PAINT ALL OF THEM.  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Plus, a $20 boxed set available at my FLGS would give me motivation to run some demos and maybe try to recruit a new local Btech gaming group!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Foxx Ital on 18 March 2018, 22:02:00
Noticed theres no tro golden century, did it get axed?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 18 March 2018, 22:04:26
No.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 18 March 2018, 22:05:58
Here it is:
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You'll notice that several previously announced products are not on this list. Any product not listed below is not currently in the production pipeline and its release is not on the immediate horizon. This is the current production list.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 18 March 2018, 22:07:28
Ah. That does sound worse than intended. No, it hasn’t gotten the axe, but no news at this time.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Phaedros on 18 March 2018, 22:08:37
I'll reiterate to be stubborn.

Are there plans to include the Griffin AS card in AGoAC? Without that card, it kinda excludes the Griffin from immediate playability in AS. Mind you that there is the MUL, but I did say immediate.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 18 March 2018, 22:11:43
Ah. That does sound worse than intended. No, it hasn’t gotten the axe, but no news at this time.

I suppose, but it was also intended to be a list of things that are actively being worked on, not things that we'd like to put out one day.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 18 March 2018, 22:21:45
Exactly.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 March 2018, 22:28:27
Why are there no Capellan tears about Hanse smashing what looks like Cappie mechs on New Avalon- we know they were not Cappie but it looks like it!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 18 March 2018, 22:34:05
…not sure I follow. Assuming it’s a sincere question, those were ROM agents, ‘Mechs painted as Death Commandos. Far as anyone ever knew, they were Death Commandos.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Foxx Ital on 18 March 2018, 22:34:52
Ah. That does sound worse than intended. No, it hasn’t gotten the axe, but no news at this time.

Thanks :) just saved yourself a salty trial of grievance ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 18 March 2018, 22:36:09
You’d have to traverse the Sea of Salt to reach me on my Salt Throne first.  ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 March 2018, 22:36:59
…not sure I follow. Assuming it’s a sincere question, those were ROM agents, ‘Mechs painted as Death Commandos. Far as anyone ever knew, they were Death Commandos.

I know, but yeah, IC its Death Commandos to the majority.  I was just poking at Capellan fans that the new big box has Davion stomping on Liao.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Foxx Ital on 18 March 2018, 22:40:39
You’d have to traverse the Sea of Salt to reach me on my Salt Throne first.  ;)

 For clan related product id salt drop from my saltship in my saltarmor ;)
 But seriously im glad its still has a chance and am thankful for a honest answer other than "go salt yourself"
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Phaedros on 18 March 2018, 22:42:22
*Sigh* So, my question has either fallen on deaf ears or you are waiting for an answer from the higher ups.

I'll go start a poll for it on the Alpha Strike Facebook while I wait.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 March 2018, 22:56:31
Does the Griffin card from the MUL not work?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 18 March 2018, 22:58:57
For clan related product id salt drop from my saltship in my saltarmor ;)
 But seriously im glad its still has a chance and am thankful for a honest answer other than "go salt yourself"

And with be with A Salt Mech?

PUNS...I've got them too!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Phaedros on 18 March 2018, 23:04:48
Does the Griffin card from the MUL not work?

You got a printer for me to print it with? I certainly don't.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 18 March 2018, 23:08:55
The Griffin has an AS card in the Game of Armored Combat box. You're welcome.  :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 18 March 2018, 23:17:15
edit strike that i misread
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Phaedros on 18 March 2018, 23:22:01
The Griffin has an AS card in the Game of Armored Combat box. You're welcome.  :)

You are my best friend, Adrian! :D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Hythos on 19 March 2018, 02:42:25
Are these Pilot Cards compatible with AToW as well? Or could that still be a future product (similar to the AToW quick-start character cards).
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Talen5000 on 19 March 2018, 03:30:04
You'll notice that several previously announced products are not on this list. Any product not listed below is not currently in the production pipeline and its release is not on the immediate horizon. This is the current production list.

No TRO : Golden Century then? Pity

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Boxed Sets
Release Date: 3rd Quarter 2018

These two new box sets are your first steps into the world's greatest armored combat game and include everything you need to get started. Existing players will enjoy all-new content including map sheets, fiction, and of course, `Mechs!

Excellent News.

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Shattered Fortress
Release Date: 2018

On the one hand, good to see the timeline moving forwards again.
On the other...I kinda liked the pause and the way you were filling in the blanks.


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Print on Demand
Release Date: Late 2018

Interesting.

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Alpha Strike: Commander's Edition
Release Date: Summer 2018

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Core Book Reprints
Release Date: 3rd Quarter 2018 for Total Warfare; additional reprinted volumes to follow.

Shut up and talk my money.

Seriously - it's about time these CORE books were reprinted. Does this include books such as ATOW Companion?

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Map Packs
Release Date: 2018 for first Map Pack; additional Map Packs to follow

D*mn you!!!!! D*mn you all to H*LL!!!!!!

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Fiction
New BattleTech fiction is in the works throughout 2018 for both print and e-book formats, including:

Interesting. Will you be getting the BattleCorps fiction, scenarios, etc up on the site here as well?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kitsune413 on 19 March 2018, 04:32:40
The new art style for the new miniatures is what Battletech has needed for a very long time. Wow.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 19 March 2018, 04:51:49
So I guess the TRO:Golden Century is not going to happen now?? Or is that part of some of the things being released.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: worktroll on 19 March 2018, 05:26:38
So I guess the TRO:Golden Century is not going to happen now?? Or is that part of some of the things being released.

Ah. That does sound worse than intended. No, it hasn’t gotten the axe, but no news at this time.

Okay, it's on the previous page, but that question got a specific answer.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 19 March 2018, 05:34:38
So I guess the TRO:Golden Century is not going to happen now?? Or is that part of some of the things being released.

Not canned AFAIK, but their status just wasn't solid enough to include here, on the principle stated above.

This is answered at the top of the previous page, for those who won't read the whole thread.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 19 March 2018, 05:56:24
Are these Pilot Cards compatible with AToW as well? Or could that still be a future product (similar to the AToW quick-start character cards).

Not tied in to AToW, just TW. That’d be too much to throw on something that’s included in the Intro Boxes.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 19 March 2018, 06:05:07
No TRO : Golden Century then? Pity

Not on the immediate horizon. But as stated elsewhere upthread, it has not been outright canceled.

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I kinda liked the pause and the way you were filling in the blanks.

My own opinion: caulking in gaps in the timeline is nice for existing players but does not result in products that will bring in the new customers that are badly needed.

However! Part of the shift to the Brush Wars PDF model was to create a system for continuing to “caulk” while not drawing on primary production resources.

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Does this include books such as ATOW Companion?

Not clear at this point. My sense is that it’ll depend how well the initial reprints do.

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Will you be getting the BattleCorps fiction, scenarios, etc up on the site here as well?

That’s up to the fiction side of the house. I’m not clear on what their plans for the BattleCorps archive are at this time.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Dubble_g on 19 March 2018, 07:37:26
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The long-awaited general release of BattleCorps Anthology Vol. 6: Front Lines

Very keen to see these, especially if available in e-pub format?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: CungrVanck on 19 March 2018, 08:01:19
However! Part of the shift to the Brush Wars PDF model was to create a system for continuing to “caulk” while not drawing on primary production resources.

There were previous discussions about doing another Brush Wars book to cover Operation Guerrero, the Confederation-St. Ives War, etc.    Will this new Brush Wars PDF product line be covering these conflicts?  I hope so!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 19 March 2018, 09:16:04
There were previous discussions about doing another Brush Wars book to cover Operation Guerrero, the Confederation-St. Ives War, etc.    Will this new Brush Wars PDF product line be covering these conflicts?  I hope so!

Yes, the initial entries in this new Brush Wars PDF series and direction for the mini-PDFs would be built out of the work done by myself and others for what would have been Brush Wars II.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 19 March 2018, 09:34:09
Thank you for answering that question.

I guess I should read everything first.

This board has been very active lately.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 19 March 2018, 10:08:46
Very keen to see these, especially if available in e-pub format?

Upthread they said it would be epub and hardcopy.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 19 March 2018, 10:33:13
I vote for these too. This is a very digestible product I could use in games.

Sorry, these are printed on card stock, not salami.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 19 March 2018, 10:39:47
Sorry, these are printed on card stock, not salami.

<upends table>
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 19 March 2018, 10:40:02
Sorry, these are printed on card stock, not salami.

Now we've got something to complain about.  Why no edible BT products?!?  How come there are no plans to produce mech sheets printed in icing on gingerbread cookies?   You'd get to nibble bits of the cookie off to match the damage your mech has received...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 19 March 2018, 10:47:14
Yes, the initial entries in this new Brush Wars PDF series and direction for the mini-PDFs would be built out of the work done by myself and others for what would have been Brush Wars II.

I don't know what it would take to make it happen, but is there any chance that some combination of those products might end up on the print-on-demand list at some point in the future?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 19 March 2018, 10:50:43
I don't know what it would take to make it happen, but is there any chance that some combination of those products might end up on the print-on-demand list at some point in the future?

Ding ding.

That's the ultimate goal, that each Brush Wars PDF and the other mini-PDFs that tie into that specific conflict would end up combined into one POD sourcebook after each "season."

But we're getting ahead of ourselves. I want to let everyone digest yesterday's news before diving too far into the Brush Wars details.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 19 March 2018, 10:52:49
Now we've got something to complain about.  Why no edible BT products?!?  How come there are no plans to produce mech sheets printed in icing on gingerbread cookies?   You'd get to nibble bits of the cookie off to match the damage your mech has received...

Record sheets printed on Fruit Roll-Ups. Pop off each bubble as you take damage, then eat the whole limb/torso when it's blown off.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 19 March 2018, 10:53:50
Have a mouth fulla Awesome, ya galloot!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 19 March 2018, 10:57:29
Ding ding.

That's the ultimate goal, that each Brush Wars PDF and the other mini-PDFs that tie into that specific conflict would end up combined into one POD sourcebook after each "season."

But we're getting ahead of ourselves. I want to let everyone digest yesterday's news before diving too far into the Brush Wars details.

Hooray!

Cubby, for the second time in as many days, you are my favorite person of the day!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Garrand on 19 March 2018, 11:49:23
Now we've got something to complain about.  Why no edible BT products?!?  How come there are no plans to produce mech sheets printed in icing on gingerbread cookies?   You'd get to nibble bits of the cookie off to match the damage your mech has received...

This isn't the product that we want; this is the product that we NEED...

Damon.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: CungrVanck on 19 March 2018, 12:10:01
Yes, the initial entries in this new Brush Wars PDF series and direction for the mini-PDFs would be built out of the work done by myself and others for what would have been Brush Wars II.

YES!!!!  You sir just made my day! 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sellsword on 19 March 2018, 12:34:48

My own opinion: caulking in gaps in the timeline is nice for existing players but does not result in products that will bring in the new customers that are badly needed.

However! Part of the shift to the Brush Wars PDF model was to create a system for continuing to “caulk” while not drawing on primary production resources.


I agree with this 1000%
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: 00Dawg on 19 March 2018, 12:35:29
Could that be my beloved 7th C.L. getting the snot beat out of them (again)?

Why yes, I do believe it could.  ;D

I will loves and hugs my beloved losers fowever and fowever.
Except that it's the 5th.     ::)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Xtrahmxwohld on 19 March 2018, 12:40:50
The Armored Combat box set has a picture of a painted Griffin, but there is no Griffin in the box; This might confuse some people...I'd hope not, but it might.

(https://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2018_Box_Lance.jpeg?x64300)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 19 March 2018, 12:43:07
The Armored Combat box set has a picture of a painted Griffin, but there is no Griffin in the box; This might confuse some people...I'd hope not, but it might.


They always put that "actual contents of the box may vary from what's depicted" in fine print somewhere.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SteelRaven on 19 March 2018, 12:45:32
The Armored Combat box set has a picture of a painted Griffin, but there is no Griffin in the box; This might confuse some people...I'd hope not, but it might.

(https://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2018_Box_Lance.jpeg?x64300)
a subtle hint to collect them all ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 19 March 2018, 12:52:45
Except that it's the 5th.     ::)

That's what I get for peering at the unit logo and not the trim.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 19 March 2018, 12:56:29
Record sheets printed on Fruit Roll-Ups. Pop off each bubble as you take damage, then eat the whole limb/torso when it's blown off.

That would create problems, if you take damage and have to correct because you ate the  wrong location.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 19 March 2018, 12:58:26
That would create problems, if you take damage and have to correct because you ate the  wrong location.

once you eat the damage off, it's official.  No take backs.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 19 March 2018, 13:04:17
The Armored Combat box set has a picture of a painted Griffin, but there is no Griffin in the box; This might confuse some people...I'd hope not, but it might.

Are you confused? No? Then don't worry about it.

That's not to say that nobody will be confused. I can guarantee that shortly after the box sets hit shelves, we're going to get some really stupid posts here. But that's just the nature of the beast: someone is always confused. Let me share an anecdote: back when I worked at a comic book/game store, I had a very concerned older lady come up to me and comment that the Warhammer 40,000 boxed set seemed awfully violent for eight-year olds. I agreed with her, and asked her why she was asking. She pointed to the back of the box: "(Smiley Face) 8+." She'd confused the product safety warning with a suggested age. I politely steered her towards some Teen Titans merch.

Record sheets printed on Fruit Roll-Ups. Pop off each bubble as you take damage, then eat the whole limb/torso when it's blown off.

Oh, now you lot are trying to exclude diabetics like me from playing BattleTech. Joke's on you: I'm too good to ever take damage!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 19 March 2018, 13:34:01
The Armored Combat box set has a picture of a painted Griffin, but there is no Griffin in the box; This might confuse some people...I'd hope not, but it might.
first off, it doesn’t that I recall. That’s just on the web site article so we can have nice pictures instead of just text.
Secondly, the box has record sheets, AS & pilot cards and standees for the Griffin, so it is represented in there.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 19 March 2018, 13:48:40
first off, it doesn’t that I recall. That’s just on the web site article so we can have nice pictures instead of just text.
Secondly, the box has record sheets, AS & pilot cards and standees for the Griffin, so it is represented in there.

Oh. *douses torch* Sorry, lads. Next time.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 19 March 2018, 14:28:05
first off, it doesn’t that I recall. That’s just on the web site article so we can have nice pictures instead of just text.
Secondly, the box has record sheets, AS & pilot cards and standees for the Griffin, so it is represented in there.

Hold on, does that mean you are also providing AS cards for all the cardboard represented mechs as well?  Just asking, I have yet to play AS since my TT group is solid but your statement made me wonder.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 19 March 2018, 14:40:47
Since the spice (information) is now flowing, couple questions:

1) Recordsheets 3150 NTNU: In the same 'someday' bucket as TRO: Golden Century, or a different bucket?

2) Alpha Strike Commanders Edition: There was a rather extensive pile of discussion and math done on re-engineering the point conversion system for Alpha Strike last year to remove some of it's less-than-balanced wrinkles. It started with costing fast units more appropriately, but ultimately touched on a variety of different areas of imbalanced point values. Are they any plans to include any of the 'new' point calculation algorithms in this new version of the AS rules?

On a personal note, I am ecstatic to finally see a book with that Battlemaster art on the front! I'm still wistful about it not being on the front of CM: Davion, but I've been waiting to get a large-format version of that picture for years now! Looking forward to the new box sets and the maps, and a big thumbs-up on the Brush Wars idea as well.

Thanks for the info CGL folks!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: nckestrel on 19 March 2018, 15:26:50
Hold on, does that mean you are also providing AS cards for all the cardboard represented mechs as well?  Just asking, I have yet to play AS since my TT group is solid but your statement made me wonder.

I believe Ray has stated somewhere that the cardboard represented 'mechs are duplicates of the minis (plus the main box set has Griffin cardboard). So they're more Wolverines, Battlemasters, Catapults, etc, not different units.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SpudBot on 19 March 2018, 15:28:36
once you eat the damage off, it's official.  No take backs.

For some reason, this discussion reminds me of that line in Restaurant at the End of the Universe - 'do people want fire that can be fitted nasally?'

Kudos on the upcoming minis, which look even better than the high quality ones in the 25th anniv. set!   I was a little surprised to see a return to standee cardboard 'mechs, but then again that's how I originally learned to play.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Xtrahmxwohld on 19 March 2018, 15:35:11
first off, it doesn’t that I recall. That’s just on the web site article so we can have nice pictures instead of just text.
Secondly, the box has record sheets, AS & pilot cards and standees for the Griffin, so it is represented in there.
Whoops, I missed a word,  "Announcement" , should have been in there.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 19 March 2018, 16:29:10
1) Recordsheets 3150 NTNU: In the same 'someday' bucket as TRO: Golden Century, or a different bucket?

Same bucket. If it's not on the Coming Releases page, it's not being actively worked on.

Quote
2) Alpha Strike Commanders Edition: There was a rather extensive pile of discussion and math done on re-engineering the point conversion system for Alpha Strike last year to remove some of it's less-than-balanced wrinkles. It started with costing fast units more appropriately, but ultimately touched on a variety of different areas of imbalanced point values. Are they any plans to include any of the 'new' point calculation algorithms in this new version of the AS rules?

Going to have to kick this one up to Adrian Gideon. But my guess would be that if those involved in that discussion and math have not been contact by management to use their work in this new volume, it's probably not going to be incorporated without asking.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: The Eagle on 19 March 2018, 16:50:22
I know I'm late to this particular party, but I saw something about Brush Wars getting serialized.  ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN!  So long as I get GUERRERO and the Absorption War, I'll be the happiest camper ever.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 19 March 2018, 16:54:52
Um...guys, "unpainted" doesn't have a hyphen in it.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Dak on 19 March 2018, 17:16:02
Um...guys, "unpainted" doesn't have a hyphen in it.

Added for emphasis--making sure a casual reader sees it. :)

Dak
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 19 March 2018, 17:18:06
Added for emphasis--making sure a casual reader sees it. :)

Dak

UNpainted
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 19 March 2018, 17:20:20
I do not want my mechs being that UN robin's eggshell blue!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 19 March 2018, 17:22:52
I do not want my mechs being that UN robin's eggshell blue!

Ironically that reading would require the aforementioned hyphen  :))
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Dmon on 19 March 2018, 17:58:41
Best thing about this whole announcement?

*Golden Rule
*Eyestorm
*Forever Faithful.
*Rogue Academy
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: thecybersmily on 19 March 2018, 19:23:55
Are there also plans for new Alpha Strike Lance Packs with some of the new box set mini as well as possible Alpha Strike Star Packs (hint, hint)?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 19 March 2018, 19:52:23
Are there also plans for new Alpha Strike Lance Packs with some of the new box set mini as well as possible Alpha Strike Star Packs (hint, hint)?

For the moment they're only available in the boxes. As for any future plastic releases - We're not able to say at this time, but metrics and data from these boxes will be part of that decision.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 19 March 2018, 20:05:20
For the moment they're only available in the boxes. As for any future plastic releases - We're not able to say at this time, but metrics and data from these boxes will be part of that decision.

I would buy so many if you did... Now if only I represented a majority of buyers...

I do not want my mechs being that UN robin's eggshell blue!

Hmm... Now I kinda want to paint mechs robin's egg blue.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Valkerie on 19 March 2018, 21:28:24
For the moment they're only available in the boxes. As for any future plastic releases - We're not able to say at this time, but metrics and data from these boxes will be part of that decision.

Along those lines, will the IWM releases of the new seen continue again once the box sets are out and established?  Love my new Shadow Hawks  :drool: .
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 19 March 2018, 21:43:43
I do not want my mechs being that UN robin's eggshell blue!

A great tragedy, and lost opportunity of the BTU is that this was never the color of the Republic of the Sphere.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: William J. Pennington on 20 March 2018, 00:11:15
I would buy so many if you did... Now if only I represented a majority of buyers...


I'm with you. I don't need starting materials, but I like those models. I also would prefer to leave intro boxes in stock for new players. Having existing players eat up the stock of the set to get the miniatures they desire results in intro sets going out of stock, which is annoying for Catalyst.

I'd cheerfully pay the price these higher quality figures call for, sold as a separate box.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: RoundTop on 20 March 2018, 00:19:03
I'm with you. I don't need starting materials, but I like those models. I also would prefer to leave intro boxes in stock for new players. Having existing players eat up the stock of the set to get the miniatures they desire results in intro sets going out of stock, which is annoying for Catalyst.

I'd cheerfully pay the price these higher quality figures call for, sold as a separate box.

No.

Catalyst has said that they will keep these in stock and get more done on a routine basis, so fans who want more should not hold off. More sales = more product. This isn't like last time.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 20 March 2018, 00:28:23
Honestly, I'm going to buy both to excess, should the opportunity present itself.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Deadborder on 20 March 2018, 00:45:42
Not going to lie, I am strongly considering buying at least two of each
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 20 March 2018, 00:48:44
Definitely one of each. I have every box from battledroids on so it is my sworn duty to keep the collection complete
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: William J. Pennington on 20 March 2018, 00:52:36
No.

Catalyst has said that they will keep these in stock and get more done on a routine basis, so fans who want more should not hold off. More sales = more product. This isn't like last time.

Well, okey-dokey then. Loading all my botttlecaps to be launched by siege weapon in Catalyst's direction.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 20 March 2018, 00:53:23
At present I may need four of the game of armored combat box (not all at once, of course). I want at least four new battlemasters.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 20 March 2018, 01:00:52
Here.  Want to play with people?  Buy a bunch of box sets of your own.  Eight 'Mechs in detailed minis at $7.50 apiece with some free maps is what you just bought.  "But what do I do with all these instructions and record sheets?"

GIVEAWAYS.

You've probably got a copy of your own from the book, plus you probably have Total Warfare at the least.  You don't need the rulesets, you don't need the record sheets, but you can give them to friends and let them try out the game on their own or show them how to use the rules as they play with your minis.  Don't leave the box on the shelf for some kid to look at and wonder if it's good, buy the box and give the kid your spare instructions and then tell him GIT YUR DICE, SON.  Want to create interest?  Freebies.

Meanwhile you're running around paying half price for stacks of awesome minis, buried in free maps, and hanging out on streetcorners pushing Battletech instructions like the newest drug.  Don't knock it - cops play games too.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: monbvol on 20 March 2018, 02:00:24
That Catalyst is confident that these new offerings will be more self sustaining is the most welcome news for Battletech I have heard in a long time.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 20 March 2018, 03:38:30
No.

Catalyst has said that they will keep these in stock and get more done on a routine basis, so fans who want more should not hold off. More sales = more product. This isn't like last time.

This. A thousand times this. If you want to buy a dozen copies to raid them for their minis, do it. ANS Kamas suggested giving away the extra rulebooks and maps. Guess what: these new boxed sets also come with 'Mech standees, Alpha Strike cards (in the full set), and dice. You can give out completely-playable games! I suggest giving them to folks who would be unlikely to buy the full boxed set themselves. Catalyst doesn't lose a sale - in fact, they already made it through you - and if you can get more people playing, even if they can't or won't buy more, you can be damn sure their friends will.

And hey, if CGL does drop the ball and lets stuff go out of print that they should've kept in print, at least you've got yourself a nice hoard of minis. :D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 20 March 2018, 05:04:06
That Catalyst is confident that these new offerings will be more self sustaining is the most welcome news for Battletech I have heard in a long time.

That makes me very happy. They need some confidence going into the new year after the year they had.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SCC on 20 March 2018, 05:09:08
This. A thousand times this. If you want to buy a dozen copies to raid them for their minis, do it. ANS Kamas suggested giving away the extra rulebooks and maps. Guess what: these new boxed sets also come with 'Mech standees, Alpha Strike cards (in the full set), and dice. You can give out completely-playable games! I suggest giving them to folks who would be unlikely to buy the full boxed set themselves. Catalyst doesn't lose a sale - in fact, they already made it through you - and if you can get more people playing, even if they can't or won't buy more, you can be damn sure their friends will.

And hey, if CGL does drop the ball and lets stuff go out of print that they should've kept in print, at least you've got yourself a nice hoard of minis. :D
Well apart from all the tree's you'd be killing to make the boxes your consqenice should be clear. (Am I the only one who, as a kid, thought that Captain Planet must have leveled whole forests with it's need for paper?)

Only other issue it that it might tell TPTB that we don't want anymore new designs.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 20 March 2018, 05:14:02
Only other issue it that it might tell TPTB that we don't want anymore new designs.

Huh? How does THAT follow?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 20 March 2018, 08:01:35
Only other issue it that it might tell TPTB that we don't want anymore new designs.

The main message that buying lots of the new boxes will send to management is: "here is money to make more things."
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 20 March 2018, 08:21:01
I think he’s referring to the all-pervasive bloat. It’s a friggen issue, but most of BT’s issues are Catch-22s.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 20 March 2018, 08:31:32
I'm with you. I don't need starting materials, but I like those models. I also would prefer to leave intro boxes in stock for new players. Having existing players eat up the stock of the set to get the miniatures they desire results in intro sets going out of stock, which is annoying for Catalyst.

I need to underline this: buy as many boxes as you want.

What's far more annoying for Catalyst and your LGS is having lots of unsold product sitting on store shelves. All that does is delay the return on CGL's investment, and tell the store owner that it's not worth stocking any more BattleTech because it doesn't move. Sales volume and velocity are key for both reprints of these boxes and additional product.

I've seen this idea before, "I want to leave intro boxes for new players." Most likely, you're only leaving them for the mark-down clearance bin. Especially if you're not also demoing the game, playing it in store with your regular group, and talking to the store owner about it.

Instead of waiting for the product to sell itself, why not give it a hand? Demo the game, or arrange a beginner's grinder, with the winner getting a Beginner Box of their own. Part of the reason to have a $20 box is to make it more possible for existing players to use them as tools to help spread the word. I can't personally afford to give out lots of $60 boxes. But $20 boxes are much more possible as tournament prizes, passing along to a friend as a gift, etc.

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Foxx Ital on 20 March 2018, 13:31:50
Im gonna pick up a few boxs to demo a bit, coworker used to play so i owe him one for getting me into another game...turn abouts fair trial, quiaff?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Konrath on 20 March 2018, 14:49:35
As a newer player i'm really excited for this. The problem up here in Canada is that we'll get a shipment, and if it sells out fast, we cant really request or order more from the Stores. From what i understand they cant request more of certain products or have individuals tell stores to buy more for them. They just send them what they send them. Not sure who runs the supply chain in Canada, but it sounds very inefficient. They sent a bunch of metal mini's that are obscure, and no one will buy, but they dont have regulars like Timberwolf or atlas in stock. And the random obscure ones just sit on the shelf collecting dust.

I bought an Axman the second i found out it came in over a year ago, and there hasn't been a new one come in to replace it.

Just broad examples, but its very challenging getting stuff you want without paying for high shipping costs. I would love to just order what i need from my local stores.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: RoundTop on 20 March 2018, 15:15:07
As a newer player i'm really excited for this. The problem up here in Canada is that we'll get a shipment, and if it sells out fast, we cant really request or order more from the Stores. From what i understand they cant request more of certain products or have individuals tell stores to buy more for them. They just send them what they send them. Not sure who runs the supply chain in Canada, but it sounds very inefficient. They sent a bunch of metal mini's that are obscure, and no one will buy, but they dont have regulars like Timberwolf or atlas in stock. And the random obscure ones just sit on the shelf collecting dust.

I bought an Axman the second i found out it came in over a year ago, and there hasn't been a new one come in to replace it.

Just broad examples, but its very challenging getting stuff you want without paying for high shipping costs. I would love to just order what i need from my local stores.

As a Canadian too...

There are two problems with this statement.

#1) Distributors will accept orders for specific product, but you have to request it right. Often stores don't know what will sell or know the product line, and will guess.
#2) Catalyst is not Iron Wind Metals (the metal minis).
#3) Often distributors will batch lots together to make it easier for stores, and these heavily favor newly released items. It is possible to order more.
#4) Iron Wind Metals has some awesome customer service, and will gladly ship to Canada (it is even free if you order over $200 US).  Many game stores will also contact directly with IWM if needed.

If you are out west, Starlit Citadel, Imperial Hobbies, and One Stop Shop Cards & Games in Vancouver all stock things pretty well.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 20 March 2018, 15:30:57
Here.  Want to play with people?  Buy a bunch of box sets of your own.  Eight 'Mechs in detailed minis at $7.50 apiece with some free maps is what you just bought.  "But what do I do with all these instructions and record sheets?"

GIVEAWAYS.

You've probably got a copy of your own from the book, plus you probably have Total Warfare at the least.  You don't need the rulesets, you don't need the record sheets, but you can give them to friends and let them try out the game on their own or show them how to use the rules as they play with your minis.  Don't leave the box on the shelf for some kid to look at and wonder if it's good, buy the box and give the kid your spare instructions and then tell him GIT YUR DICE, SON.  Want to create interest?  Freebies.

Meanwhile you're running around paying half price for stacks of awesome minis, buried in free maps, and hanging out on streetcorners pushing Battletech instructions like the newest drug.  Don't knock it - cops play games too.

Actually, this is a really good idea.

I was already going to get a copy of the box(es), but giving away the extra materials is a great idea. I might have to arrange something through my monthly public game at the FLGS.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 20 March 2018, 19:22:30
Here.  Want to play with people?  Buy a bunch of box sets of your own.  Eight 'Mechs in detailed minis at $7.50 apiece with some free maps is what you just bought.  "But what do I do with all these instructions and record sheets?"

GIVEAWAYS.

You've probably got a copy of your own from the book, plus you probably have Total Warfare at the least.  You don't need the rulesets, you don't need the record sheets, but you can give them to friends and let them try out the game on their own or show them how to use the rules as they play with your minis.  Don't leave the box on the shelf for some kid to look at and wonder if it's good, buy the box and give the kid your spare instructions and then tell him GIT YUR DICE, SON.  Want to create interest?  Freebies.

Meanwhile you're running around paying half price for stacks of awesome minis, buried in free maps, and hanging out on streetcorners pushing Battletech instructions like the newest drug.  Don't knock it - cops play games too.

To chime in, this is a very good idea.

Both boxes come with cardboard standee mechs, right? Well there you go. Set up a game at your FLGS, run the fight to completion, winner gets a set of rules and the standees from one of your boxes. Maybe throw in a map, if your feeling generous.  Just like that, someome else out there has everything they need to run a game of their own. 

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tyler Jorgensson on 20 March 2018, 21:00:53
Well forget that! If I buy seven boxes Im keeping all the rules!!! MUWAHAHAHA!!!

That way when I play I can provide rules to everyone who plays :)

No but seriously : great ideas actually, some I never would have thought of. Am I upset my box won't have two companies of mech minis? Of course. Am I upset that I'll never see a Clan Intro Box? Definetly!

But so fracking excited all the same. I just need you guys to release them on odd numbered weeks so I can cash my paycheck into your hands and not have to wait a week. New fiction, new boxes, advancing timeline.... *starts drooling*
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Konrath on 20 March 2018, 22:24:43
As a Canadian too...

There are two problems with this statement.

#1) Distributors will accept orders for specific product, but you have to request it right. Often stores don't know what will sell or know the product line, and will guess.
#2) Catalyst is not Iron Wind Metals (the metal minis).
#3) Often distributors will batch lots together to make it easier for stores, and these heavily favor newly released items. It is possible to order more.
#4) Iron Wind Metals has some awesome customer service, and will gladly ship to Canada (it is even free if you order over $200 US).  Many game stores will also contact directly with IWM if needed.

If you are out west, Starlit Citadel, Imperial Hobbies, and One Stop Shop Cards & Games in Vancouver all stock things pretty well.

I'm in Toronto, and any store that actually sells BT, cannot order specific items for me that are not in stock. They get bulk shipments in from IWM and Catalyst, but there is no way for me to ask them to order item. They also have no idea when new items will come in. Apparently they have zero visibility. I've spoken to 3 different stores and the answers are the same. We cant get this ordered for you , and we have no idea when the next shipment will be.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Feenix74 on 20 March 2018, 22:54:27
Just had a poke through the BT Coming Soon page, the Awesome from the Box Set looks so awesome!

(https://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2018_Box_Awesome.jpeg?x64300)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tyler Jorgensson on 21 March 2018, 02:30:37
If this keeps up I might have a company of Awesomes at some point.... this is both awesome and disturbing because my friends will not want to play against such a behemoth company.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 21 March 2018, 07:28:33
That is a awesome looking Awesome!!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 21 March 2018, 07:57:00
They re-did the art for Awesome or it's just different take on it?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 21 March 2018, 08:34:52
They re-did the art for Awesome or it's just different take on it?

Looks like the 3050 take to me, just a better sculpt.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tymers Realm on 21 March 2018, 08:44:27
It looks like they took the weapon part off of the Classic Warhammer mini they prototyped and stitched it onto this Classic version of the Awesome.

It does look rather cool though...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Heavyguard on 21 March 2018, 08:49:41
I'm in Toronto, and any store that actually sells BT, cannot order specific items for me that are not in stock. They get bulk shipments in from IWM and Catalyst, but there is no way for me to ask them to order item. They also have no idea when new items will come in. Apparently they have zero visibility. I've spoken to 3 different stores and the answers are the same. We cant get this ordered for you , and we have no idea when the next shipment will be.

Few locations in ON that I know of;
- Imperial Hobbies in London direct orders (or did a few years ago) from IWM.
- Black Knight Games in Hamilton did have regular games there. (again a few years ago atleast)

Saggittaire on the forums here is a Demo agent in the area and might have some better info for you as well.

Heavyguard
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Dmon on 21 March 2018, 14:32:33
Can anybody see what the names on the MechWarrior cards are?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wildonion on 22 March 2018, 11:39:12
Except that it's the 5th.     ::)

This cover art has me so conflicted. On the one hand: Updated Alpha Strike rules! On the other, I painted my 'Mechs as the 5th and now that beautiful new Thunderbolt is getting shot to pieces on the cover. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 22 March 2018, 11:58:53
Can anybody see what the names on the MechWarrior cards are?

(http://puu.sh/zNaWf/6063bd64e8.png)

I see: Hafa Kaur, Simon Beckner, and Durant Carlyle (presumably)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 22 March 2018, 12:18:05
So we get . . . a Wolverine pilot, a Battlemaster? and of course the Shadow Hawk

Looks like they also give 4 specific bits of info- ?, Affiliation, ?, Battlemech . . . but the battlemech looks like a name?  since that does not look like enough space for 'Wolverine'?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 22 March 2018, 12:57:32
The middle one looks like a thunderbolt
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 22 March 2018, 13:09:00
Guess what I was taking as the head could be the LRM rack . . . in fact, you are probably right.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: RoundTop on 22 March 2018, 13:33:16
Griffin, Thunderbolt, Shadow Hawk (front to back)

So yes, that is "Battlemech: Griffin"

Note: The griffin is in the intro set, not the GoAC, but it has cards in the GoAC.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 22 March 2018, 13:35:16
Looks like the 3050 take to me, just a better sculpt.

it's got some MWO in it as well

(http://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/0/0b/MWO_Awesome.png/534px-6vlueo3cijao6zw4z7pb673abwxpm61.png?timestamp=20180125144753)
(https://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2018_Box_Awesome.jpeg?x64300)
(http://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/d/d1/3050_Awesome.jpg/462px-t4tdzyi24r7ca3rlre2gyke5oygsdhu.png?timestamp=20110717174739)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: RoundTop on 22 March 2018, 13:43:48
From Day of Heroes scenario. (courtesy of Sarna.net)  This is the closest art to the new one.

(http://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/f/fa/Day_of_Heroes_%2811%29.jpg)


I find the MWO one a little too low-slung on the cockpit, which is more Thug-like to me.

(http://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/7/78/3050U_Thug.jpg)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 22 March 2018, 13:49:02
yeah it's clearly not all of one. the new sculpt definitely takes the hip panels and feet (uneven toe split) from MWO as well as the right arm. the upper torso is much more 3050 with the enclosed torso PPCs
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: nckestrel on 22 March 2018, 14:33:52
Yeah, but the hip panels look more like a reseen Warhammer than the MWO Awesome.
There are style elements, a more “modern look”, but not taking specific items from the MWO.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 22 March 2018, 14:34:05
Want a closer look at the Mechwarrior cards? Previews coming tonight!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 22 March 2018, 14:57:30
Please tell me there are trap cards.  Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 22 March 2018, 15:02:46
Probably not, but...

...trap card...

...I think I just found the perfect name to scrawl on the side of my next Demolisher. >:D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 22 March 2018, 15:22:14
Note: The griffin is in the intro set, not the GoAC, but it has cards in the GoAC.
actually that’s Alpha Strike cards, these are MechWarrior cards.

The Beginner Box has no Alpha Strike cards. The GoAC box has Alpha Strike cards, and includes the Griffin.

Both boxes have MechWarrior cards; the BB has cards for the Wolverine, Griffin and some of the ‘Mechs from the GoAC. The GoAC has cards for all the ‘Mechs that it comes with, as well as the Griffin.

The cards are double sided. A different MechWarrior on each side. There are two different sets between boxes, you won't get any duplicate cards. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 22 March 2018, 15:56:16
So we get . . . a Wolverine pilot, a Battlemaster? and of course the Shadow Hawk

Looks like they also give 4 specific bits of info- ?, Affiliation, ?, Battlemech . . . but the battlemech looks like a name?  since that does not look like enough space for 'Wolverine'?

The first one looks like

Rank: MechWarrior
Affiliation ?? / ??
Unit?: ??
Battlemech: Griffin

to me.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 22 March 2018, 16:20:03
Lol, we are all squinting at the blow up picture to make things out.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 22 March 2018, 16:31:27
Lol, we are all squinting at the blow up picture to make things out.

yeah i've been zooming in and trying to make out the distorted text

I noticed the rulebook is 56 pages. That's slimmed down from the CGL box variants ran around 80 pages.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: JadeHellbringer on 22 March 2018, 16:42:12
Lol, we are all squinting at the blow up picture to make things out.

Nothing new there for fans. I remember chuckling at the people at Gencon years ago painstakingly trying to reassemble the torn-up pages of what turned out to be The Blake Documents after they'd been torn from the book and hurled at the heretic responsible for the book (Herb). All night people were trying to match up shreds of pages to learn a few hours before the book released just what secrets and lies were contained within. Quite entertaining. (Really the whole thing was funny as hell- poor Herb looked totally flummoxed. If he was in on the act and knew it was coming, he acted it out VERY well.)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 22 March 2018, 16:49:50
Lol, we are all squinting at the blow up picture to make things out.

Hey, it beats working.  ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 22 March 2018, 17:21:52
Lol, we are all squinting at the blow up picture to make things out.

Which is kinda more entertaining than just releasing the previews, but you’ll have the answers later this evening (U.S. EST).
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cache on 22 March 2018, 20:02:14
I see: Hafa Kaur, Simon Beckner, and Durant Carlyle (presumably)
Kaur is new to me. Beckner is pretty obscure. Carlyle is pretty well known because of Grayson, but not much on him. I'm guessing these are pilots from the new fiction included. (Did I miss that being stated earlier?)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 22 March 2018, 20:22:42
Only Durant is part of the accompanying fiction.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 22 March 2018, 20:28:03
As promised, here's your first look at a few of the Mechwarrior pilot cards which will be included in the upcoming boxed sets! You'll receive four in the Beginner Box and eight different ones in the A Game of Armored Combat box, and each is double-sided, giving you a total of 24 unique MechWarriors to spice up your games.

(https://preview.ibb.co/n546fH/Mech_Warrior_Card_samples_4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b1UHnx) (https://preview.ibb.co/mRiz0H/Mech_Warrior_Card_samples_3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kt7RfH) (https://preview.ibb.co/m6eHnx/Mech_Warrior_Card_samples_2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jQMmfH) (https://preview.ibb.co/k5TA7x/Mech_Warrior_Card_samples_1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ddwK0H)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 22 March 2018, 20:31:51
Karlevski's back! :rockon:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 22 March 2018, 20:33:53
As promised, here's your first look at a few of the Mechwarrior pilot cards which will be included in the upcoming boxed sets! You'll receive four in the Beginner Box and eight different ones in the A Game of Armored Combat box, and each is double-sided, giving you a total of 24 unique MechWarriors to spice up your games.

(https://preview.ibb.co/n546fH/Mech_Warrior_Card_samples_4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b1UHnx) (https://preview.ibb.co/mRiz0H/Mech_Warrior_Card_samples_3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kt7RfH) (https://preview.ibb.co/m6eHnx/Mech_Warrior_Card_samples_2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jQMmfH) (https://preview.ibb.co/k5TA7x/Mech_Warrior_Card_samples_1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ddwK0H)

Cool, so I'm guessing the RED (Upper left) is the Gunnery, while the Yellow (Upper Right) is Piloting. I'm also guessing the Pilot Special Abilities are not ALPHA STRIKE?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 22 March 2018, 20:36:29
Cool, so I'm guessing the RED (Upper left) is the Gunnery, while the Yellow (Upper Right) is Piloting. I'm also guessing the Pilot Special Abilities are not ALPHA STRIKE?

Yup, Gunnery is upper left, piloting is upper right.

Remember that SPAs were ported over to CBT in Campaign Operations. These abilities are taken directly from those, though slightly reworded in a few cases either for space, or to be a friendlier read for new players.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 22 March 2018, 20:36:53
Definitely TW scale, though AS has most or all of those, so all you'd need to do is look them up.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 22 March 2018, 20:37:29
Yup, Gunnery is upper left, piloting is upper right.

Remember that SPAs were ported over to CBT in Campaign Operations. These abilities are taken directly from those, those slightly reworded in a few cases either for space, or to be a friendlier read for new players.

Gotcha. Except for Zhen Zheng, all the PSA are easily converted to AS anyways as written.

And of course Poor Captain Kalu becomes a worse shot  :( in AS rules (2 Gun + 4 Pilot = 6 divided by 2 = SKILL 3)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 22 March 2018, 20:49:41
Gotcha. Except for Zhen Zheng, all the PSA are easily converted to AS anyways as written.

And of course Poor Captain Kalu becomes a worse shot  :( in AS rules (2 Gun + 4 Pilot = 6 divided by 2 = SKILL 3)

The SPAs first appeared in the Alpha Strike Companion, p. 49, before being converted to TW in CO.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cache on 22 March 2018, 20:51:22
Beautiful. I love the notable pilots, and having more of them in this format makes me happy.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 22 March 2018, 20:53:31
Beautiful.

I meant to add in the original post: Ray really killed it on these. SO much info to cram in there, and the level of detail is really awesome. Those watermarked faction logos!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 22 March 2018, 20:56:30
The SPAs first appeared in the Alpha Strike Companion, p. 49, before being converted to TW in CO.

LIES! They first Appeared in A TIME OF WAR pages 219 - 225  :P
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 22 March 2018, 20:59:07
LIES! They first Appeared in A TIME OF WAR pages 219 - 225  :P
Correct.

SPAs are for both TW and AS, the TW text is listed on the cards, but they have the same SPAs/values in AS.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 22 March 2018, 21:01:40
Karlevski's back! :rockon:

And he'll be the first nuSeen in my Rolling Thunder company, since I sold off the Unseen 'Mechs from it a while back.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 22 March 2018, 21:02:08
Correct.

SPAs are for both TW and AS, the TW text is listed on the cards, but they have the same SPAs/values in AS.

Cool thanx Adrain...silliness on my part aside, they look FANTASTIC, and really help to sell the Pilots of the Mechs.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 22 March 2018, 21:05:54
LIES! They first Appeared in A TIME OF WAR pages 219 - 225  :P

Eh, I didn’t edit that one.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 22 March 2018, 21:09:16
Those pilot cards just released on the fb page look pretty neat
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 22 March 2018, 21:18:01
What is the ability cost for? AS PV system?

Speaking of cost, do SPAs have any official balancing method for BV-balanced games? Like, do they have values or modifiers or anything?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 22 March 2018, 21:20:28
It’s a separate point system independent of BV or PV.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 22 March 2018, 21:30:36
And he'll be the first nuSeen in my Rolling Thunder company, since I sold off the Unseen 'Mechs from it a while back.

I've got Unseens for all of them(you know what I mean), and one of these centuries, I'll finish painting all of them...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 22 March 2018, 21:41:27
I've got Unseens for all of them(you know what I mean), and one of these centuries, I'll finish painting all of them...

Luckily, they're just brown. I've got a very fast technique for that.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 22 March 2018, 21:45:13
It’s a separate point system independent of BV or PV.

A new one or am i forgetting/missing something?

I remember campaign operations has SPAs for standard BT but i can't recall if it had costs associated with them.
Presumably this cost is not like that of Design Quirks though? (as that is mostly a recommendation and not exactly balanced even if i stretch the meaning of the word.)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 22 March 2018, 21:47:11
Presumably this cost is not like that of Design Quirks though?

Nope--the SPA costs are only weighed against other SPAs.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 22 March 2018, 22:21:22
Luckily, they're just brown. I've got a very fast technique for that.

1st Regulan are not brown, sorry to say...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 22 March 2018, 23:51:40
1st Regulan are not brown, sorry to say...

http://camospecs.com/Unit/Details/107/1st-regulan-hussars

"For ceremonial purposes the Hussars paint their machines an orange-brown with off yellow highlights."

So, brown. :-P
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Deadborder on 23 March 2018, 00:03:31
The very fact that one of them is a Rolling Thunder character makes me insanely disproportionately happy.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 23 March 2018, 00:11:26
Those cards look great, and really do pack in a lot of information.

Those four pilots, in particular, seem kinda good. Are they typical examples of the 24, or top shelf material?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 23 March 2018, 00:21:03
I grabbed a random sampling, but those appear to be mid- to upper-end.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kitsune413 on 23 March 2018, 01:18:42
I'm super pumped about these cards.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 23 March 2018, 07:50:22
The numbers on  top of the cards are the Gunnery/Piloting skills?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 23 March 2018, 08:29:41
Eh, I didn’t edit that one.

That doesn't mean it didn't happen!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 23 March 2018, 08:41:08
The numbers on  top of the cards are the Gunnery/Piloting skills?


Yup!

Yup, Gunnery is upper left, piloting is upper right.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 23 March 2018, 08:49:37
That doesn't mean it didn't happen!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JJKs3I69qfaQleE/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 23 March 2018, 09:21:02

Yup!
Thanks and Cubby too.  I came late into the conversation.  :P

I'm little disappointed that most of the previous materials in Coming Attractions were removed.  I'm glad their not cancelled but i can't say i like Golden Century and TRO Irregular Tech being yanked.  I was looking forward to those. *sigh*

Edit:  I just noticed the PDF only stuff includes, Brush Wars books are becoming their own series PDF series vs when they were part of Historical books?  I guess we'll find out when they come out. I wonder if they will be more a scenario / Chaos Campaign+Warchest product vs detailed Historical Series was. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Takiro on 23 March 2018, 16:08:38
Cards look good!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: BairdEC on 23 March 2018, 19:03:19
Will the reprints  of the books keep the same covers?  I'd like my incomplete set of spine art to have matching volumes.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 23 March 2018, 19:44:31
No, they will have retro covers and a retro art spine.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 23 March 2018, 19:58:26
No, they will have retro covers and a retro art spine.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DM1nR1nXcAA0OvD.jpg)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 23 March 2018, 21:39:54
I enjoy the old art for the novels more than the Legends one.  Thanks for bring them back.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cache on 23 March 2018, 21:48:16
No, they will have retro covers and a retro art spine.
You have my attention.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Fat Guy on 23 March 2018, 22:50:19
Any chance we'll ever see A Bonfire of Worlds in print?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 23 March 2018, 22:55:49
Any chance we'll ever see A Bonfire of Worlds in print?
here here
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kojak on 23 March 2018, 22:56:35
Likewise, will we ever get the 3150 NTNU record sheets? I know I'm still holding out hope for them.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 23 March 2018, 23:18:36
Likewise, will we ever get the 3150 NTNU record sheets? I know I'm still holding out hope for them.
You know, given that we're finally getting the end of the Dark Age, or, well, start of it, i think 3150 NTNU would be kinda fitting and important companion to that. Even though it is just a bunch of variants to existing 'Mechs.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ChrystalNiNja88 on 23 March 2018, 23:51:47
Likewise, will we ever get the 3150 NTNU record sheets? I know I'm still holding out hope for them.
Seconded. I need options for my Uraeus and Khepers.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 24 March 2018, 00:21:51
Likewise, will we ever get the 3150 NTNU record sheets? I know I'm still holding out hope for them.

I'm still waiting on Record Sheets: Prototypes Unabridged... :D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 24 March 2018, 01:12:39
I'm still waiting on Record Sheets: Prototypes Unabridged... :D

Come to think of it, Vehicle annex industrialmechs was the last stand-alone record sheet product we got and that was 2014. 3145u and NTNU are already almost five years old... and Prototypes was on the coming soon list then.

My only logical conclusion is that they sell mad poorly.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 24 March 2018, 10:23:57
Come to think of it, Vehicle annex industrialmechs was the last stand-alone record sheet product we got and that was 2014. 3145u and NTNU are already almost five years old... and Prototypes was on the coming soon list then.

My only logical conclusion is that they sell mad poorly.

My understanding is just that they're very labor intensive to produce.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: BrokenMnemonic on 24 March 2018, 10:30:16
I think it's also been mentioned that there's a lack of software that can account for all of the current rules and technologies in play, contributing to how time-consuming generating the records is.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 24 March 2018, 11:42:25
This has been the case since 3039u. All of the 3145 and xtro series were done in the same way. They haven’t even bothered to post a majority of the RS products after the migration to the new site. The ones that have appeared are for the most part directly related to TRO Succession Wars so it’s far from accidental. Though SSW and MML aren’t openly advertised, they aren’t discouraged either and I can understand why most people would opt for free in one place vs a couple hundred bucks across several files.

Amusingly, someone could have done one sheet a week as a side project and we still would have had RS: Prototypes years ago.

Maybe they’ve been sitting on a format change that we’ll see in the new box sets. Or maybe it’s just not worth the effort.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: wantec on 24 March 2018, 14:45:46
My understanding is just that they're very labor intensive to produce.
Correct. As last I heard, there's no software that can print current recordsheets for all unit types. That means they have to be pdfs edited by hand, which is very labor intensive and not worth the effort.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Fragger on 24 March 2018, 14:47:43
Most people here can probably make the sheets on their own. What we really need the sheets for are the stats!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 24 March 2018, 15:08:55
Correct. As last I heard, there's no software that can print current recordsheets for all unit types. That means they have to be pdfs edited by hand, which is very labor intensive and not worth the effort.

Release a TRO-esque statblock on facebook or twitter ever week?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 24 March 2018, 15:35:41
Most people here can probably make the sheets on their own. What we really need the sheets for are the stats!
Yeah, well, just publishing the stats for all the variants that lack those would be nice, even if there are no record sheets for them.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 24 March 2018, 17:27:59
Yeah, well, just publishing the stats for all the variants that lack those would be nice, even if there are no record sheets for them.

I wonder if loading them into the MUL like they do the Alpha Strike cards would work? Be a cool way to add in all those random units that don't exactly fit into any other product.

If they ever bring back BattleCorps, could be something else to add value to a subscription. Have a paid subscription, you also get access to all of the TW-style record sheets on the MUL...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 24 March 2018, 17:29:34
I wonder if loading them into the MUL like they do the Alpha Strike cards would work? Be a cool way to add in all those random units that don't exactly fit into any other product.

If they ever bring back BattleCorps, could be something else to add value to a subscription. Have a paid subscription, you also get access to all of the TW-style record sheets on the MUL...

In order to make an AS Card, unfortunately, one needs a record sheet/stats first to work from.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cache on 24 March 2018, 18:23:58
Correct. As last I heard, there's no software that can print current recordsheets for all unit types. That means they have to be pdfs edited by hand, which is very labor intensive and not worth the effort.
Which is a problem because new toys/TROs seem to be quite popular.  :-\
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: nckestrel on 24 March 2018, 18:45:57
In order to make an AS Card, unfortunately, one needs a record sheet/stats first to work from.

I believe he means having the TW Record sheet hosted on the MUL.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 24 March 2018, 19:26:51
I believe he means having the TW Record sheet hosted on the MUL.

Ahhh....But then, there goes a revenue stream (albiet a very small revenue stream) for CGL
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Maingunnery on 24 March 2018, 19:52:31
Correct. As last I heard, there's no software that can print current recordsheets for all unit types. That means they have to be pdfs edited by hand, which is very labor intensive and not worth the effort.
What is exactly meant with 'edited by hand'? Do the TPTB have special adobe files or are they paint shopping like crazy?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 24 March 2018, 20:11:27
Adobe illustrator.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 24 March 2018, 20:30:12
Ahhh....But then, there goes a revenue stream (albiet a very small revenue stream) for CGL

Which is why I said it would have been a cool thing to add value to the BattleCorps subscription...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ChrystalNiNja88 on 24 March 2018, 20:57:37
Isn't Megamek up to the task? Or does the open source nature of it provide legal difficulties?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 24 March 2018, 21:06:42
Isn't Megamek up to the task? Or does the open source nature of it provide legal difficulties?
IIRC, someone once mentioned that 'Mech record sheets are actually done with it. But don't quote me on this.

In any case, Megamek Lab can't do all types of units. Only 'Mechs, Combat Vehicles, Aerospace Fighters and Battle Armor. Anything else is impossible.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 24 March 2018, 21:20:56
IIRC, someone once mentioned that 'Mech record sheets are actually done with it. But don't quote me on this.

In any case, Megamek Lab can't do all types of units. Only 'Mechs, Combat Vehicles, Aerospace Fighters and Battle Armor. Anything else is impossible.

So about 80-90% (in some cases 100%) of a given RS book
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 24 March 2018, 21:23:57
That is correct.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SCC on 25 March 2018, 02:43:51
I know there's a major hold up on water borne units because there isn't a template yet, is that being looked at?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 25 March 2018, 04:52:13
Looks like I really really need to download MegaMek
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 25 March 2018, 11:20:46
You can do DropShips now with MegaLab last time i checked. Which means records sheets. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 25 March 2018, 11:32:03
You can do DropShips now with MegaLab last time i checked. Which means records sheets. 

#freethestatblocks2018
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ThatPirateGuy on 26 March 2018, 10:41:44
We've just made a major update and refresh to the Coming Soon page (https://bg.battletech.com/books/upcoming-releases/)! For your convenience, the full update is reposted below.

The following BattleTech books and game aids are on the upcoming schedule. If it is an e-book only release, it is noted in brackets. As covers become available, they're added to this page.

You'll notice that several previously announced products are not on this list. Any product not listed below is not currently in the production pipeline and its release is not on the immediate horizon. This is the current production list.

When details concerning street dates and reviews are available, those will be posted to the front page of bg.battletech.com (https://bg.battletech.com/). In no particular release order:

Boxed Sets
Release Date: 3rd Quarter 2018

These two new box sets are your first steps into the world's greatest armored combat game and include everything you need to get started. Existing players will enjoy all-new content including map sheets, fiction, and of course, `Mechs!

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Beginner Box ($19.99)
A ready-to-play starter set, perfect for someone who's just finished their first BattleTech demo and is ready for more action.

Contents:
  • 2 high-quality, fully assembled (unpainted) miniatures:
          
    • Griffin
    • Wolverine
       
  • 24-page Quick Start Rulebook
  • 8 Quick Start Record Sheets
  • 48 page fiction novella by William H. Keith, Jr., a prequel to the Gray Death Legion saga featuring Carlyle's Commandos and Durant Carlyle; only available in the Beginner Box.
  • 4-page Instant Guide to the Inner Sphere
  • 4 Pilot Cards
  • 1 all-new 18" x 22" full-color paper map (hexed, double-sided)
  • Punchboard of additional BattleMechs
  • 2 dice

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A Game of Armored Combat ($59.99)
The classic BattleTech boxed set, reimagined from the ground up and full of exciting new material and miniatures!

Contents:
  • 8 high-quality, fully assembled (unpainted) miniatures:
          
    • Awesome
    • BattleMaster
    • Catapult
    • Commando
    • Locust
    • Shadow Hawk
    • Thunderbolt
    • Wolverine
       
  • 48-page Rulebook
  • 16-page Record Sheet Booklet
  • 48 page fiction novella by William H. Keith, Jr., a prequel to the Gray Death Legion saga featuring Carlyle's Commandos and Durant Carlyle; only available in the A Game of Armored Combat box.
  • 16-page Universe Primer
  • 8 Pilot Cards
  • 8 Alpha Strike Cards
  • 2 heavy-stock reference sheets
  • Two all-new 18” x 22” full-color paper maps (hexed, double-sided)
  • Punchboard of additional BattleMechs and terrain
  • 2 dice

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Shattered Fortress
Release Date: 2018

Kicking off the climactic ilClan storyline, Shattered Fortress sets the stage for the titanic clashes to come. As the nations and Clans of the Inner Sphere struggle for survival, the Republic of the Sphere and awakened Exarch Devlin Stone face enemies at their doorstep. Will the Dark Age give way to a new dawn &mdash; or an endless nightmare? The epic story begins here!


PDF-only Products
Release Date: 3rd Quarter 2018

A new wave of releases for the Touring the Stars, Spotlight On, and Turning Points series is on the horizon, with the previously announced Opposing Forces and Milestones lines still in development.

In addition, the Brush Wars series will find new life as the over-arching connection between all of the PDF-only lines. Each Brush Wars product will offer an expanded historical narrative on a little-seen conflict across all eras of BattleTech, from the Star League to ilClan and beyond. New entries of the established PDF lines will further flesh out each conflict, and each full "season" of products will eventually be available as a print-on-demand sourcebook. Stay tuned for more details about this exciting development!


Print on Demand
Release Date: Late 2018

A new series of exclusive Print-on-Demand (POD) sourcebooks will kick off with Capital Punishment, a collection of all Jihad Turning Points involving the Great Houses' capital worlds.


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Alpha Strike: Commander's Edition
Release Date: Summer 2018

This new edition of the Alpha Strike rules fully revises and updates the original Alpha Strike rulebook, including improvements and optional rules from the Alpha Strike Companion.


Core Book Reprints
Release Date: 3rd Quarter 2018 for Total Warfare; additional reprinted volumes to follow.

Reprints of every BattleTech core rulebook are on the way, beginning with Total Warfare this summer and including TechManual, Tactical Operations, Strategic Operations, and A Time of War.


Map Packs
Release Date: 2018 for first Map Pack; additional Map Packs to follow

Six all-new maps, designed to be easier to use and clearer to understand than ever before.


Fiction

New BattleTech fiction is in the works throughout 2018 for both print and e-book formats, including:
  • Blaine Lee Pardoe returns to the BattleTech universe with Forever Faithful, an epic story spanning the Twilight of the Clans through the Dark Age and beyond!
  • Jason Schmetzer’s novel Embers of War will receive a wide release.
  • The long-awaited general release of BattleCorps Anthology Vol. 6: Front Lines
  • Jennifer Brozek, award-winning author of The Nellus Academy Incident, returns with Rogue Academy, a character-driven, action-filled young adult trilogy exploring the tumultuous aftermath of the Age of Destruction.
  • New print-on-demand entries in the BattleTech Legends series will be available, with an eye on making the entire archive library of BattleTech fiction once again available.

So the minis shown look “grainy” are they 3D printed or is that texture what we should expect in the final product?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 26 March 2018, 10:47:28
So the minis shown look “grainy” are they 3D printed or is that texture what we should expect in the final product?

Those are 3D printed prototypes, not masters or production samples. The final product will absolutely be much smoother and more finished.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 27 March 2018, 16:23:55
Those are 3D printed prototypes, not masters or production samples. The final product will absolutely be much smoother and more finished.

Would it be accurate to say that the final product will be injection-molded plastic, mastered off the original digital files, rather than off of the physical prototypes?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 27 March 2018, 16:44:47
Yup.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Geont on 28 March 2018, 02:26:32
Will POD be available for Europe with affordable postage? Usual $20+ postage is pretty high and it would destroy whole idea to me and my friends.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Nultaar on 28 March 2018, 03:45:14
Would it be accurate to say that the final product will be injection-molded plastic, mastered off the original digital files, rather than off of the physical prototypes?

I would assume this is the case, several companies now use CAD to sculpt their new miniatures. As the Mech's are plastic I would suspect the metal moulds are machined using the original CAD as the old method for making moulds thank I know off was to produce 3 ups and cut the moulds using those.

If the Mech’s were resin or metal, then it’s possible the moulds would be made from printed masters. Forge World has had a few resin models show the steps, I haven’t seen examples. While Corvus Belli use metal and I think they produce printed masters, but they don’t have the steps showing, they might use a milling machine rather than a printer to produce them.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kojak on 28 March 2018, 04:04:21
I know others have already said it, but yes, if there are truly is no plan to release those sheets, it would be greatly appreciated if CGL would at least put out the raw stats so players can recreate them if they so desire.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 28 March 2018, 04:49:49
Will the release of the PC game affect new product....or will the PC game add stuff in from stuff coming out??
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 28 March 2018, 08:44:38
Will the release of the PC game affect new product....or will the PC game add stuff in from stuff coming out??

I don't understand the second part of your question. But I think I get the gist, and the answer is no, the PC game will not affect Coming Releases one way or the other.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 28 March 2018, 08:46:04
Will POD be available for Europe with affordable postage? Usual $20+ postage is pretty high and it would destroy whole idea to me and my friends.

The only POD product currently scheduled is "Capital Punishment," the compilation of some of the Jihad-era Turning Points. I can't speak as to shipping rates.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 28 March 2018, 11:00:03
Will POD be available for Europe with affordable postage? Usual $20+ postage is pretty high and it would destroy whole idea to me and my friends.
POD (as currently planned) will be via One Book Shelf (DrivethruRPG, RPGNow, etc.), who maintain a printer in the US and the UK, and use whichever works best for the customer ordering.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 28 March 2018, 11:05:15
Sounds good, should keep costs reasonable.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 28 March 2018, 12:47:50
I don't understand the second part of your question. But I think I get the gist, and the answer is no, the PC game will not affect Coming Releases one way or the other.

Thanks for the answer. Sorry my question was a little confusing.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Geont on 28 March 2018, 13:35:31
POD (as currently planned) will be via One Book Shelf (DrivethruRPG, RPGNow, etc.), who maintain a printer in the US and the UK, and use whichever works best for the customer ordering.

Good news then. Thanks for info
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Feenix74 on 28 March 2018, 23:13:19
I don't understand the second part of your question. But I think I get the gist, and the answer is no, the PC game will not affect Coming Releases one way or the other.

I assume (and hope) there may be some CGL team Battletech Game multi-player sessions that go on into the wee-hours of the morning after 24 April. Therefore, there might be some minor impacts on your ability to do proofing and editing with weary eyes and brain  ^-^ However, we will forgive you guys a small amount of fun :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: beachhead1985 on 30 March 2018, 09:29:46
No further XTRO's for 2018 then?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 30 March 2018, 10:08:21
No further XTRO's for 2018 then?

Not until they are released, no.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 30 March 2018, 10:19:24
I think Succession Wars v2 was the only one on the list. We’ve only gotten one in each of the last two years so I wouldn’t be surprised if tptb were more or less done
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 30 March 2018, 11:37:18
I think Succession Wars v2 was the only one on the list. We’ve only gotten one in each of the last two years so I wouldn’t be surprised if tptb were more or less done

If it's not on the Coming Releases list, it's not being worked on at the moment.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 30 March 2018, 13:28:39
If it's not on the Coming Releases list, it's not being worked on at the moment.

*the former coming releases before the most recent revision
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 30 March 2018, 15:43:16
I was hoping for a new TRO maybe soon.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 30 March 2018, 16:25:59
I was hoping for a new TRO maybe soon.

If it's not on the Coming Releases list, it's not being worked on at the moment.

Your question has been answered in full.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 31 March 2018, 08:00:26
Your question has been answered in full.

I know...thats why Im sad. But happy for other things on that list.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Gaiiten on 31 March 2018, 10:50:52
Not until they are released, no.

And so we got *Kosh*ed again ...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 31 March 2018, 12:31:51
And so we got *Kosh*ed again ...

Yes
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Meridian on 31 March 2018, 13:42:25
This has probably been asked, but has there been any word about if or when the miniatures in the Beginner and Armored Combat sets will be available to purchase seperately?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 31 March 2018, 14:09:56
This has probably even asked, but has there been any word about if or when the miniatures in the Beginner and Armored Combat sets will be available to purchase seperately?
No word, but i'd expect "no", at least for now.

I would guess IWM will probably make metallic versions later on.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 31 March 2018, 14:11:23
This has probably even asked, but has there been any word about if or when the miniatures in the Beginner and Armored Combat sets will be available to purchase seperately?

has this been done since the third edition box?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 31 March 2018, 14:14:57
Lance Packs contained most of the previous intro box's contents.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 31 March 2018, 14:25:03
Lance Packs contained most of the previous intro box's contents.

to a great deal of grumbling over repeats iirc
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Meridian on 31 March 2018, 14:50:17
Thanks. I want the Armored Combat box, but want that Griffin in the Beginner without having to get the whole thing. I'll just wait a bit and see.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tyler Jorgensson on 31 March 2018, 18:42:11
to a great deal of grumbling over repeats iirc

I mean how many Quickdraws must a man get, just so he can have a couple spare Panthers, Grasshoppers, and Dragons (and I'm not even that big a fan of the Dragon!). And the Vindicator... ugh

Granted I love the idea of the Lance Packs... it's just the repeats. Some are just... I hate to say it: aweful.

That being said: I'd want at least one of each mech from the new set: but not necessarily multiples of some.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 31 March 2018, 18:43:56
Quickdraws

i never said the grumbling wasn't justifiable  ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: BrokenMnemonic on 31 March 2018, 19:03:00
I mean how many Quickdraws must a man get, just so he can have a couple spare Panthers, Grasshoppers, and Dragons (and I'm not even that big a fan of the Dragon!). And the Vindicator... ugh

Granted I love the idea of the Lance Packs... it's just the repeats. Some are just... I hate to say it: aweful.

That being said: I'd want at least one of each mech from the new set: but not necessarily multiples of some.
I've bought one of each of the lance packs, and duplicates of three; I took the view that with 3 of the previous box sets (one with the most recent sculpts, and two of the one slightly before that) I could take the minis I wanted out of the lance packs, and give the duplicates I wasn't fussed about to a friend who picked up a basic box set to learn the game with. As he likes the Combine most, he's been happy to take the surplus Panthers, Dragons et al off my hands, and it's given me an excuse to pick up a couple of additional lance packs to give him for his birthday to give him four of the sculpts only available in the lance packs. I'm happy playing with the old Reinforcements-packs cardboard standees, but it's nicer to have more plastic minis :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cache on 31 March 2018, 22:45:41
I mean how many Quickdraws must a man get
I dunno, how many red-shirts does a guy need? This never gets old...

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/cso-images/schemes/28_dak_quickdraw_1.jpg) (http://www.camospecs.com/Miniature/Details/4974/quickdraw-qkd-4g)

Also, that is the reason IWM sells individual miniatures.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 31 March 2018, 22:50:00
This has probably been asked, but has there been any word about if or when the miniatures in the Beginner and Armored Combat sets will be available to purchase seperately?

For now, they're just being sold in the box sets.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 31 March 2018, 22:54:30
I mean how many Quickdraws must a man get, just so he can have a couple spare Panthers, Grasshoppers, and Dragons (and I'm not even that big a fan of the Dragon!). And the Vindicator... ugh

I actually quite like the Quickdraw. It's common enough it fits in everywhere. The Cyclops on the other hand...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: faithless on 31 March 2018, 23:36:15
I do not mind duplicates. They make great trading material. When I ended up with a bunch of plastics that I had too many copies of I donated them to a friend who was running a gaming club at his school. Seemed like a win win.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: worktroll on 01 April 2018, 02:28:50
I actually quite like the Quickdraw. It's common enough it fits in everywhere. The Cyclops on the other hand...

Oddly enough, I prefer the Cyclops over the Quickdraw. In later years, there are some darned good configs, plus C3 master configs available on the IS General & Merc lists. But yes, they're mook 'Mechs.

(Oddly enough, remember the FASA-era 'thing' of putting Riflemen in Recon lances? The Quickdraw was supposed to be a Rifleman replacement of some kind; oddly enough, it is a better fit for a recon lance.)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Greatclub on 01 April 2018, 19:59:11
Some are worse than others, but in my opinion, all the alpha strike lance packs contain something that is either a dud or shouldn't be in the lance indicated.

Notably, the support pack. Firestarters are specialist designs with no long range potential, but I guess it could fit in as a bodyguard. The Charger? Unless it's a Challanger, the thing has no business anywhere near a 'support' lance.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 01 April 2018, 20:04:34
Some are worse than others, but in my opinion, all the alpha strike lance packs contain something that is either a dud or shouldn't be in the lance indicated.

Notably, the support pack. Firestarters are specialist designs with no long range potential, but I guess it could fit in as a bodyguard. The Charger? Unless it's a Challanger, the thing has no business anywhere near a 'support' lance.
I think the Support pack was something of an odds and ends pack.

You got a mugger, a pyromaniac, a jack of all trades, and a stone wall.

Strictly speaking all can work as "support" 'Mechs though. The Charger is just fast enough it works as a part of a scout lance, if nothing else it can beat anything it meets to scrap metal, think of it as a "anti-'Mech support". The Firestarter is a anti-infantry and anti-forest specialist, it is the kind of support you may need on certain environments. The Vindicator is not a special in itself, but you can fill out just about any lance with one. The Awesome is one of the best direct fire support 'Mechs there are.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 01 April 2018, 20:17:08
Sartris’ Law of Battletech Worthiness: If the performance of a unit or units is predominantly praised after someone else disparities it or them, the relative value is questionable
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 01 April 2018, 20:25:01
Some are worse than others, but in my opinion, all the alpha strike lance packs contain something that is either a dud or shouldn't be in the lance indicated.

Notably, the support pack. Firestarters are specialist designs with no long range potential, but I guess it could fit in as a bodyguard. The Charger? Unless it's a Challanger, the thing has no business anywhere near a 'support' lance.

I think the Support pack was something of an odds and ends pack.

You got a mugger, a pyromaniac, a jack of all trades, and a stone wall.

Strictly speaking all can work as "support" 'Mechs though. The Charger is just fast enough it works as a part of a scout lance, if nothing else it can beat anything it meets to scrap metal, think of it as a "anti-'Mech support". The Firestarter is a anti-infantry and anti-forest specialist, it is the kind of support you may need on certain environments. The Vindicator is not a special in itself, but you can fill out just about any lance with one. The Awesome is one of the best direct fire support 'Mechs there are.

I wrote an Alpha Strike article (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=57815.msg1330425#msg1330425) about the Charger.  Cliff's notes: I find that the 1A1 is actually a gem under Alpha Strike rules.  And with the points re-eval allegedly finally coming live soon with the Commander's Edition... a Charger 1A1 costing the same as the vanilla Locust 1V is a pretty fair tossup for 18PV.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 01 April 2018, 20:27:26
The Charger is worthless, yes. But it can be sold with some clever marketing. Such as "you got a brawling troublemaker in your company? Assign a Charger for him or her, so that they can spend their energy on the battlefield against an enemy rather than anyone you don't want to piss off". And "Send them with a scout lance, they can hold the line while the smaller ones escape". Aand... "You're not actually losing much if your troublemaker gets themselves killed with the Charger".
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SteelRaven on 01 April 2018, 20:47:45
I was actually thinking of bashing my Charger CGR-1A5 with a axe
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: worktroll on 01 April 2018, 20:56:53
Don't forget that the game isn't WYSIWIG, and that even Chargers have great configs. Okay, the 1A5 (also SA5) has a metal mini via IWM, but the superlative 3K (and it's brother C) are very handy. Heck, try a 1A9.

Likewise, Firestarter FS-9S and 9S1 provide fast durable electronics, while the 9K and 9M are scout-killers. Und so weiter.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 01 April 2018, 22:37:25
I hereby volunteer to accept all unwanted chargers. I can always find a use for them, from the tactical to the silly.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: S.gage on 01 April 2018, 23:48:28
Noticed theres no tro golden century, did it get axed?

Ah. That does sound worse than intended. No, it hasn’t gotten the axe, but no news at this time.

-Sigh-

(...I guess can stop holding out hope for a surprise 39th birthday present...)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: CungrVanck on 02 April 2018, 07:13:09
I hereby volunteer to accept all unwanted chargers. I can always find a use for them, from the tactical to the silly.

I second this!  I will gladly take any unwanted Chargers if anyone wants to dispose of them.  Great units in an urban or cluttered terrain area!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 02 April 2018, 09:10:59
I hereby volunteer to accept all unwanted chargers. I can always find a use for them, from the tactical to the silly.

How about as an escort for LRM carriers? Or test beds for TSM?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: beachhead1985 on 03 April 2018, 21:05:10
Oddly enough, I prefer the Cyclops over the Quickdraw. In later years, there are some darned good configs, plus C3 master configs available on the IS General & Merc lists. But yes, they're mook 'Mechs.

(Oddly enough, remember the FASA-era 'thing' of putting Riflemen in Recon lances? The Quickdraw was supposed to be a Rifleman replacement of some kind; oddly enough, it is a better fit for a recon lance.)

Do I? YES! and boy was it consistant in some places!

Ironically, now that we have more mobile Riflemen, it's gone away.

Far from the weirdest addition to a Recon Lance, but geeze, yeah...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mrbooth on 03 April 2018, 21:28:07
Oddly enough, I prefer the Cyclops over the Quickdraw. In later years, there are some darned good configs, plus C3 master configs available on the IS General & Merc lists. But yes, they're mook 'Mechs.

(Oddly enough, remember the FASA-era 'thing' of putting Riflemen in Recon lances? The Quickdraw was supposed to be a Rifleman replacement of some kind; oddly enough, it is a better fit for a recon lance.)

You forget they where Lyran recon lances, to be fair they where the lightest and fastest mechs in the company  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: CungrVanck on 06 April 2018, 07:44:36
I know the new box sets, novels and such are coming.....but think we can get a PDF product soon?  Touring the Stars, SpotLight On, Turning Points......I need a fix!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 06 April 2018, 09:24:20
I know the new box sets, novels and such are coming.....but think we can get a PDF product soon?  Touring the Stars, SpotLight On, Turning Points......I need a fix!

There's a few that have gotten a first round of editing and have gone through layout. Going to see if we can get some momentum toward releasing those soon.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 06 April 2018, 10:57:28
Ooooh, I hope it's one of mine!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 06 April 2018, 11:28:02
Ooooh, I hope it's one of mine!

There's a good number of them at various stages of the process. First order of business is organizing what's in the pipeline, and hopefully re-establishing a regular release pattern. We'll get there.

I meant to say to everyone else--keep an eye on this forum (General Discussion), on the News and Announcements (https://bg.battletech.com/category/news/news-and-announcements/) section on the BT main page on the official BT social media accounts, and you won't miss anything.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kibutsu on 06 April 2018, 11:43:42
(https://i.imgur.com/cUEvpJw.jpg)
Anything can be improved with the addition of a sword.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: RoundTop on 06 April 2018, 11:51:29
(https://i.imgur.com/cUEvpJw.jpg)
Anything can be improved with the addition of a sword.

And in the case of that charger KMZ, a heavy PPC, 2 light PPCs, an MML9, jump jets, and slowing it for to 4/6/4.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 06 April 2018, 12:41:34
Bah! 4/6 isn’t a charger...maybe a Meanderer or a Leisurely Stroller, but not a charger!

Anyway, I second the motion to push out one of the little PDF products. I’d settle for some shattered fortress teasers like maybe a redacted table of contents, but a mini PDF would also be nice. Just a little fluff to keep us engaged!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 06 April 2018, 12:50:12
I’d settle for some shattered fortress teasers like maybe a redacted table of contents

Heh, just a bunch of page numbers?  :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 06 April 2018, 13:33:24
Heh, just a bunch of page numbers?  :)

Today’s spoiler: 8, 13, 22, 41 (my dad works for CGL this is legit)


Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Alexander Knight on 06 April 2018, 13:44:58
Ooooh, I hope it's one of mine!

15-20% chance
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Fat Guy on 06 April 2018, 15:17:13
And in the case of that charger KMZ, a heavy PPC, 2 light PPCs, an MML9, jump jets, and slowing it for to 4/6/4.

If we're going to talk sword wielding Combine Chargers, the CGR-3Kr is a much better choice.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: trboturtle on 06 April 2018, 17:27:01
There's a few that have gotten a first round of editing and have gone through layout. Going to see if we can get some momentum toward releasing those soon.

*Hands Cubby a sledgehammer*

In case you need to break up some resistance......

Craig
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Gaiiten on 07 April 2018, 11:15:19
*Hands Cubby a sledgehammer*

In case you need to break up some resistance......

Craig
Cookies and cake may help either ...  ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: kylania on 07 April 2018, 21:49:46
Really looking forward to the new box releases!  Thanks!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 08 April 2018, 04:54:24
The box releases look really neat. I love seeing new Battletech product.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: wantec on 08 April 2018, 16:41:13
Ooooh, I hope it's one of mine!
At least you got a couple to increase your chances, I've only got the one
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 11 April 2018, 15:06:24
Key question: when will pre orders be open for the new sets? I needs my fix.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 11 April 2018, 15:28:53
no official word on a release date. Third quarter seems likely if all goes according to plan. I'd be shocked at anything before July/August.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 11 April 2018, 20:33:54
I would say after Gencon
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Scotty on 11 April 2018, 20:43:24
As per the usual disclaimer, no on in this thread actually knows the answer to this, and nothing said in this thread not written by Cubby or Adrian Gideon (or I guess Brent, if he comes in here) should be seriously considered as accurate.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 11 April 2018, 20:54:45
As per the usual disclaimer, no on in this thread actually knows the answer to this, and nothing said in this thread not written by Cubby or Adrian Gideon (or I guess Brent, if he comes in here) should be seriously considered as accurate.

Yeah, I was just repeating last known info

(http://puu.sh/A1gsU/b9bd89c478.png)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: GRUD on 12 April 2018, 01:20:02
Key question: when will pre orders be open for the new sets? I needs my fix.

I've pre-ordered 1 of each from Aries Games & Miniatures.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 13 April 2018, 20:04:37
So noted, I’ll be keeping an eye on Aries :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: The_Livewire on 15 April 2018, 10:25:05
One thing I hope to see with the newbies sets (both) is PDF add ons.

When Paizo released the Beginner's Box, they also released a PDF download of the Barbarian, which wasn't in the boxed set.

I'd love to see Catalyst do something similar. A simple PDF with the mech sheets (for printing) variants (Wolverine-M, Shadow Hawk-K, etc) and maybe some updated designs, either 3050+ or "just" the Royal versions.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 15 April 2018, 11:42:14
I always look often at the Aries game pages for updates.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 16 April 2018, 15:31:51
Key question: when will pre orders be open for the new sets? I needs my fix.

CGL's official store will not be offering pre-orders for the new boxed sets at this time.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 16 April 2018, 20:44:38
There are other sites that can preorder the stuff. Just not going to order until Catalyst says so.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: GRUD on 16 April 2018, 23:19:24
CGL's official store will not be offering pre-orders for the new boxed sets at this time.
I jumped on the Pre-Order they had for the last box set.  If you bought 2, you also got an extra set of the plastic minis.   :thumbsup:   I've still got 1 box in the shrink-wrap.   8)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 17 April 2018, 11:18:12
Gold and the box set go for about the same on eBay these days if you’re hard up for cash  :))
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Von Ether on 22 April 2018, 23:36:21
Believe it or note, I am curious about the "Punchboard of additional BattleMechs" How many battlemechs and what are they there for? Variety? Fulling out a balance lance on lance fight (for the $20 box)? How does the punch outs compare to the Armored box?

I'm still using my figs, but I think the cardboard is a sweet middle ground to giving a new player immediate options, but not give away the farm.

It was almost seemed backwards between Battletech and Alpha Strike. The game that focused on Lance combat was selling 26 figs in one $60 box and the game focused Company level plus level fights was offering $20 lance backs.

From the ways things were at my FLGS, I am sure that sent mixed signals to CGL because when Alpha Strike was hot, the CBT box flew off the shelves since it was the better deal.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 22 April 2018, 23:53:36
newest shots of the box sets show that the punch card is another set of standups for the included mechs plus the griffin. It appears the beginner box will be the same set

https://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/BT-AGoAC-Box-Back-Web_preview.jpeg?x64300

https://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/BT-BB-Box-Back-Web_preview.jpeg?x64300

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Dak on 23 April 2018, 00:56:24
It appears the beginner box will be the same set

The two boxes have different punchboards. The 'Mech chassis will be drawn from the same basic sets (lining up with the record sheets provided) but terrain on each punchboard is completely different (related to the maps provided in each box).

Dak
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 23 April 2018, 01:06:43
so what you're saying is i have more excuses to buy both  :))
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 23 April 2018, 01:07:41
so what you're saying is i have more excuses to buy both  :))

Dooooo it. ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 23 April 2018, 09:29:30
so what you're saying is i have more excuses valid reasons to buy both  :))

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Drewbacca on 23 April 2018, 09:36:13
Those look great.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 23 April 2018, 10:46:58
The two boxes have different punchboards. The 'Mech chassis will be drawn from the same basic sets (lining up with the record sheets provided) but terrain on each punchboard is completely different (related to the maps provided in each box).

Thanks, Dak--good info.

what are they there for? Variety? Fulling out a balance lance on lance fight (for the $20 box)?

A little of both. A focus for each box was to give them as much playability and re-playability as possible, while staying within the production budget and intended-MSRP constraints. Punchouts were a good way to achieve that, especially with the Beginner Box.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 23 April 2018, 10:57:50
I have to say that, even in light of my groaning shelf of Battletech lead and pewter, I am super happy about the inclusion of punch-out counters in the new boxes. It will make them much more portable and user-friendly as self-contained games. (...and have you seen our 8,935 game expantions...?)

It also appeals to my 2nd edition box set nostalgia. My little fold-over cardboard standees are getting pretty worn out at this stage - and they haven't seen battle in something like 20 years!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 23 April 2018, 11:18:04
I have to say that, even in light of my groaning shelf of Battletech lead and pewter, I am super happy about the inclusion of punch-out counters in the new boxes. It will make them much more portable and user-friendly as self-contained games. (...and have you seen our 8,935 game expantions...?)

It also appeals to my 2nd edition box set nostalgia. My little fold-over cardboard standees are getting pretty worn out at this stage - and they haven't seen battle in something like 20 years!

I also predict that this will trigger another round of fan art creating tokens and game counters to make "complete sets" of whatever you want to play with.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 23 April 2018, 12:35:51
Speaking of punch-outs, i found my 2nd edition cardboard tokens while packing stuff for moving. And their plastic stands and the faction token. Definitively my most important find.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 23 April 2018, 12:45:06
Speaking of punch-outs, i found my 2nd edition cardboard tokens while packing stuff for moving. And their plastic stands and the faction token. Definitively my most important find.

Oh yeah, I have a couple of those.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/805/39843293380_5f36e1853c_z.jpg)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 23 April 2018, 13:06:15
Any hint of any PDF releases soon? :D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 23 April 2018, 13:08:53
Well, the 2018 calendar where authors and contributors recreate classic novel covers is almost ready. Once Worktroll finished up his ode to D.R.T. it should be good to go.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 23 April 2018, 13:12:17
Well, the 2018 calendar where authors and contributors recreate classic novel covers is almost ready. Once Worktroll finished up his ode to D.R.T. it should be good to go.

Wait. Worktroll is doing that month? Then why the hell was I asked to pose!? I mean, I haven't contributed to BattleTech in years, and I thought this was my ticket back in!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 23 April 2018, 13:19:31
As I understand, they're having to splice the two of you together for the image, and then the hard part happens - getting the cat into the motion capture suit.

It's a very experimental calendar.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 23 April 2018, 13:28:00
I thought Paul and I pulled off Warrior: Riposte rather well.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 23 April 2018, 13:28:17
Wait. Worktroll is doing that month? Then why the hell was I asked to pose!? I mean, I haven't contributed to BattleTech in years, and I thought this was my ticket back in!

The New Releases thread takes an unexpectedly seedy turn. "Do you want to be a star, or not???"

Any hint of any PDF releases soon? :D

Remember a week or three back when I said I'd kick the tires? There's been a little movement since then--mostly getting back up to speed behind-the-scenes, updating the production charts and figuring out the status of everything. There are several products that have gone through layout and just need a final editing pass.

I'm not quite able to assign a release date to them yet, but when they're close, you'll start seeing spoilers and teasers here.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 23 April 2018, 15:37:12
The New Releases thread takes an unexpectedly seedy turn. "Do you want to be a star, or not???"

Remember a week or three back when I said I'd kick the tires? There's been a little movement since then--mostly getting back up to speed behind-the-scenes, updating the production charts and figuring out the status of everything. There are several products that have gone through layout and just need a final editing pass.

I'm not quite able to assign a release date to them yet, but when they're close, you'll start seeing spoilers and teasers here.

I cant wait.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SCC on 24 April 2018, 02:53:49
Speaking of punch-outs, i found my 2nd edition cardboard tokens while packing stuff for moving. And their plastic stands and the faction token. Definitively my most important find.
Going back through the old box set articles on Sarna I noticed these faction tokens included in several products, what are they for? And why aren't we getting new ones?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 24 April 2018, 03:01:27
faction chits came in the 2nd ed box and Reinforcements 1 & 2. 4th edition had a sticker sheet.

you would stick the faction logo into the plastic stand with the mech standup to remind people whose side various units were on
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SCC on 24 April 2018, 03:05:01
I don't think that quite works, Sarna says that Reinforcements 2 had 20 tokens for the FedCom, but only 4 for everyone else.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 24 April 2018, 03:07:45
yes, i did the sarna page based off of my unpunched boxes. the numbers are not in error - and demonstrates the assumption that you're playing lance-level games. why there are 20 fedcom chits is anyone's guess

Reinforcements comes with weird distributions - 12-20 for each house and 4 for mercs and minor powers like Helmar Valasek and Lindon's Company. The 21st Centauri Lancers have 8 for some reason... they must have just decided to fill out the sheet with them.

Curiously Reinforcements 2 doesn't have any House Marik and four of everything else (including clans that use 5 unit stars) except a baffling 20 fedcom chits.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 24 April 2018, 03:13:55
As I understand, they're having to splice the two of you together for the image, and then the hard part happens - getting the cat into the motion capture suit.

It's a very experimental calendar.
So it's the Boschtroll month wearing the D.R.T. I suppose?

Put me down for three!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SCC on 24 April 2018, 03:15:09
It should be noted that Reinforcements 2 Has chits for both Davion and Steiner, this on top of the FedCom ones.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 24 April 2018, 03:21:03
I lost my 4th ed stickers a long time ago but I do remember they were better distributed - 12 factions of 12 each iirc
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cache on 24 April 2018, 12:03:23
yes, i did the sarna page based off of my unpunched boxes. the numbers are not in error - and demonstrates the assumption that you're playing lance-level games. why there are 20 fedcom chits is anyone's guess
It is reinforcing the boxed set that came with the 3025 IS faction tokens. You wouldn't need more of the old great houses. FedCom was new. No guess about low Clan numbers.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 25 April 2018, 21:03:47
I suddenly want to paint my mech in Aurigen Reach good guy/bad guy schemes :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Deadborder on 26 April 2018, 18:57:50
I suddenly want to paint my mech in Aurigen Reach good guy/bad guy schemes :)

Same here. I'd love a list of their colour schemes for... reasons.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 29 April 2018, 20:52:23
Will Catalyst be releasing preview product to places like camospecs or how it’s played?  I’m a big fan of YouTube unboxings, and doing that will help get the word out and drum up interest.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 29 April 2018, 21:01:51
Maybe someone at gencon? I don’t recall full blown previews in the past
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: CungrVanck on 30 April 2018, 15:26:56
Simple idea that came into my brain the other day....BattleTech Coloring Books!  Just take existing art and put it in coloring books to hook the kids!  Simple and fun!

Okay, now that that's out of the way....any new PDFs?  I cannot play the new computer game just yet and I need a fix ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 30 April 2018, 16:55:01
Will Catalyst be releasing preview product to places like camospecs or how it’s played?

There has been a review-copy process in the past, but I'm still trying to get a handle on it. It's also not necessarily something I'd be "in charge of."

Quote
I’m a big fan of YouTube unboxings, and doing that will help get the word out and drum up interest.

I had brought this idea up informally among some contributors, and had intended to make a formal pitch to management when the time is right. Meaning when the boxes are closer to release and actually physically exist. However, it's tricky, because...

Maybe someone at gencon? I don’t recall full blown previews in the past

...it's not something that's been done before, and there isn't a hard and fast date of when the boxes will be on these shores. All things being equal, GenCon would be the most likely venue for an unboxing video. But as it stands, I personally can't be at the con to make it happen, so I'll need to ask dragoon someone into doing it for me. That's not optimal, but I will try.

Simple idea that came into my brain the other day....BattleTech Coloring Books!  Just take existing art and put it in coloring books to hook the kids!

Many folks' kids already use their parents' TROs for this purpose. With and without their parents' permission....

Okay, now that that's out of the way....any new PDFs?  I cannot play the new computer game just yet and I need a fix ;)

I'm working on one tonight and hoping to help push it across the finish line. As I've said before, you'll see spoilers here and on social media when it's close to release.

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Drewbacca on 30 April 2018, 16:56:08
Simple idea that came into my brain the other day....BattleTech Coloring Books!  Just take existing art and put it in coloring books to hook the kids!  Simple and fun!

Okay, now that that's out of the way....any new PDFs?  I cannot play the new computer game just yet and I need a fix ;)

I did those for my son as well as TRO flashcards.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 30 April 2018, 19:01:10
Question about print on demand stuff. Apparently it will start with some kind of Turning Points compilation, but i wonder if it will get extended to older sourcebooks and stuff?
Know some folks who'd like to get physical books for Era Report 3145 and Wars of Reaving but one can't really find them anymore in stores anywhere, not with reasonable price.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 30 April 2018, 19:04:20
You know, the forums have gotten REAL quiet since the HBS game dropped . . . lol
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: nckestrel on 30 April 2018, 19:11:10
Not in certain threads :).
Excuse me, I have a new Trebuchet to refit..
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 30 April 2018, 19:22:07
You know, the forums have gotten REAL quiet since the HBS game dropped . . . lol

Yeah, now please excuse me while I bury another two mech Warriors (Dekker your time finally came :() and look to prepare for the next mission
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mrbooth on 30 April 2018, 19:56:00
Yeah sorry I'm just got my butt handed to me I have some time to kill now while two of my mechs are repaired and glitch is out of action for like 40 days.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 30 April 2018, 20:45:35
40 days?!?! Wow
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 30 April 2018, 20:54:29
There has been a review-copy process in the past, but I'm still trying to get a handle on it. It's also not necessarily something I'd be "in charge of."

I had brought this idea up informally among some contributors, and had intended to make a formal pitch to management when the time is right. Meaning when the boxes are closer to release and actually physically exist. However, it's tricky, because...

...it's not something that's been done before, and there isn't a hard and fast date of when the boxes will be on these shores. All things being equal, GenCon would be the most likely venue for an unboxing video. But as it stands, I personally can't be at the con to make it happen, so I'll need to ask dragoon someone into doing it for me. That's not optimal, but I will try.

Many folks' kids already use their parents' TROs for this purpose. With and without their parents' permission....

I'm working on one tonight and hoping to help push it across the finish line. As I've said before, you'll see spoilers here and on social media when it's close to release.

Gentleman and a scholar!  I’m looking forward to mine(got both on order from Aries games!)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 30 April 2018, 23:02:15
My PC took 4 hits in the Argos mission, out 109 days . . .
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 30 April 2018, 23:22:51
40 days?!?! Wow

My lead pilot was down for a full 3 months (94 days) after getting violently blown out of a Dragon.  ;)

I eagerly await the box set releases. In the mean time, there's 'mechs to shoot.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 01 May 2018, 07:25:54
Between BattleTech, MW5 Mercs, and the two new box sets this is going to be a time depleted year!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 01 May 2018, 12:32:33
Question about print on demand stuff. Apparently it will start with some kind of Turning Points compilation, but i wonder if it will get extended to older sourcebooks and stuff?
Know some folks who'd like to get physical books for Era Report 3145 and Wars of Reaving but one can't really find them anymore in stores anywhere, not with reasonable price.

As detailed on the Coming Releases page (https://bg.battletech.com/books/upcoming-releases/), the first product for print on demand will be "Capital Punishment," a collection of all of the earlier Jihad Turning Points PDF products. It's slated for later this year.

It's also essentially a pathfinder product. How it fares both on the production side to get it set up, and in sales, will determine whether it's possible to expand to additional print-on-demand books, both new compilations and reprints.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: MarauderD on 01 May 2018, 12:38:55
My lead pilot was down for a full 3 months (94 days) after getting violently blown out of a Dragon.  ;)

I eagerly await the box set releases. In the mean time, there's 'mechs to shoot.

Just upgraded Behemoth's mech from her JagerMech up to a King Crab with dual +++AC/20s (Damage/Stability Kaliyama Shredder)

Next mission? Two head hits, out for 30 days. Just my luck. She is also my most skilled Gunner/Guts pilot, so perfect for that Crab.

Whoops, I actually meant to mention that I'm excited for the Beginner's Box set. My brother in law loves board games, so I'm going to give it to him for Xmas and that way rope a family member into the (game) family!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: JadeHellbringer on 01 May 2018, 13:26:54
THE ADMIN SPEAKETH

Folks, a reminder that this thread is for new releases for the Battletech tabletop line, NOT for the HBS computer game. Please take those discussions to the computer games area of the forums. Thank you.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 01 May 2018, 14:22:10

As detailed on the Coming Releases page (https://bg.battletech.com/books/upcoming-releases/), the first product for print on demand will be "Capital Punishment," a collection of all of the earlier Jihad Turning Points PDF products. It's slated for later this year.

It's also essentially a pathfinder product. How it fares both on the production side to get it set up, and in sales, will determine whether it's possible to expand to additional print-on-demand books, both new compilations and reprints.

Not to be that guy, but what if you already own all the JTP products that are contained in Capital Punishment? Is there any reason for me to buy Capital Punishment?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 01 May 2018, 14:24:50
The main draw is probably folks who specifically want it on paper. I've heard nothing about any extras.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 01 May 2018, 14:43:33
The main draw is probably folks who specifically want it on paper. I've heard nothing about any extras.

Correct, as far as I know.

As I said a few responses ago, this is intended as a first, pathfinding product. If you're not interested in this one, no problem--there may be others that you are.

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 01 May 2018, 15:01:32
Do we get double our usual royalties with this new format?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Fat Guy on 01 May 2018, 15:08:09
If you were going to collect and print something I already have in pdf, the XTROs would be something I'd buy.   :thumbsup:

You could probably get them all in one volume if you leave out the record sheets.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: YingJanshi on 01 May 2018, 15:16:01
Have "Record Sheets: 3150 Unabridged" & "Record Sheets: Prototypes Unabridged" been shelved?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 01 May 2018, 15:18:17
Have "Record Sheets: 3150 Unabridged" & "Record Sheets: Prototypes Unabridged" been shelved?

Not on my shelf, they haven't.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 01 May 2018, 15:40:43
They’re not on the list anymore so I wouldn’t count on them for any value of Soon™️.

They haven’t even put all the record sheet volumes they do have on the newer store, which may hint at how profitable they are
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 01 May 2018, 15:42:40
Do we get double our usual royalties with this new format?

I think I missed the section in our contracts on back-end points against gross.

If you were going to collect and print something I already have in pdf, the XTROs would be something I'd buy.   :thumbsup:

You know, speaking only for myself, that's what I want most, too. I can't speak to why these particular products were chosen as the pathfinder, other than I know that more goes into getting files to be POD ready than "they're PDFs." I also wonder whether the short-edge binding may cause an issue or added expense. But now I'm just speculating.

Have "Record Sheets: 3150 Unabridged" & "Record Sheets: Prototypes Unabridged" been shelved?

Standard Response no. 2: If it's not on the Coming Releases list, then it's not actively being worked on, but that doesn't mean it's been permanently cancelled.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 01 May 2018, 15:48:05
ugh, I really want to play with that Wolf Orion C sometime soon.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 04 May 2018, 11:02:58
I’m looking forward to seeing the size of the new mechs compared to the old origins box minis
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 04 May 2018, 11:21:59
I’m looking forward to seeing the size of the new mechs compared to the old origins box minis
I hope they fit in well, apparently some newer metallic minis have grown in size over time.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 04 May 2018, 11:25:05
I’m looking forward to seeing the size of the new mechs compared to the old origins box minis

The prototypes teased at GenCon were a bit chunkier than the more legacy designs of the previous boxed set. I haven't seen a side-by-side comparison, but you can kind of get an idea by comparing them to the hex grid they're standing on in last year's display case.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9769219/large_minis_1.jpg (https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9769219/large_minis_1.jpg)
(Not my photo)

At a guess, the Battlemaster would look a bit big on a table full of the previous generation of assaults, but the mediums and lights will fit in pretty well.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 04 May 2018, 13:02:02
The bases are larger, i wonder if that contributes to feel of size, the previous box set and lance packs used way smaller base.


EDIT My issue with the new minis is that they look way too good lol
Now we need new art for the other 3025-era 'Mechs, along with new minis.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Moonsword on 04 May 2018, 13:07:49
Folks, we prefer you don't post images above around 600px directly in the boards - it doesn't work properly with the styling and burns bandwidth for users on slower or data-limited connections.  Use a link.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 04 May 2018, 13:28:43
I hope they’ll do a more in depth teaser of what’s in the box type thing on social media; I like the CAD image they posted on the coming soon page; I would really like the powers that be to make them higher res and each mini individually viewable, so we can soak in the goodness :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 04 May 2018, 16:17:25
The bases are larger, i wonder if that contributes to feel of size, the previous box set and lance packs used way smaller base.


EDIT My issue with the new minis is that they look way too good lol
Now we need new art for the other 3025-era 'Mechs, along with new minis.

You're right about the bases, but I actually meant to compare them to the printed hex grid, which (I think) uses the standardized size for Battletech map sheets/boards.

Folks, we prefer you don't post images above around 600px directly in the boards - it doesn't work properly with the styling and burns bandwidth for users on slower or data-limited connections.  Use a link.

Fixed, sorry.  :-[
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Moonsword on 04 May 2018, 16:26:31
Thanks for fixing that.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 04 May 2018, 18:35:03
I hope they fit in well, apparently some newer metallic minis have grown in size over time.

They're mostly to scale among themselves, at least. Anything beyond that is a lost cause and has been since the 80s, thanks to wandering mini scale.

The bases are larger, i wonder if that contributes to feel of size, the previous box set and lance packs used way smaller base.

The idea being that the narrower base on the previous box set minis would allow players to see part of the underlying hex, including the terrain label and hex number (though, only if facing a certain hex side). The bigger bases on these new minis were likely necessary for the redesigns, and to allow for some flexibility in posing.

I hope they’ll do a more in depth teaser of what’s in the box type thing on social media; I like the CAD image they posted on the coming soon page; I would really like the powers that be to make them higher res and each mini individually viewable, so we can soak in the goodness :)

Your post earlier this week reminded me to bring up the idea of an unboxing video to management, and there may be some movement there. But you likely won't see anything until closer to release, so don't expect it, like, next week or anything.



Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 04 May 2018, 18:44:22
The idea being that the narrower base on the previous box set minis would allow players to see part of the underlying hex, including the terrain label and hex number (though, only if facing a certain hex side). The bigger bases on these new minis were likely necessary for the redesigns, and to allow for some flexibility in posing.
Thought so.
I gotta say i wish some existing minis had larger bases all the same. The previous intro box has good quality minis for most part (IMO), but some 'Mech poses just leave them slightly unbalanced and i've gotten a couple with slightly warped bases (the worst is a Cicada that is both leaning too far back and has warped base, some glue to the bottom helped but didn't quite fix it).
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Mendrugo on 04 May 2018, 19:07:38
To a certain extent, warped plastic can be fixed by immersing the mini in boiling water until it softens, pushing the plastic back into the right shape (it will often snap into shape by itself once heated) and then dunking it in ice water so the new shape will set.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 04 May 2018, 19:12:56
Your post earlier this week reminded me to bring up the idea of an unboxing video to management, and there may be some movement there. But you likely won't see anything until closer to release, so don't expect it, like, next week or anything.

If it is being done from Origins or GenCon, it would be neat to have the video done from the Catalyst video after the set up is done but before the Con opens to the public.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cache on 04 May 2018, 20:03:19
The idea being that the narrower base on the previous box set minis would allow players to see part of the underlying hex, including the terrain label and hex number (though, only if facing a certain hex side).
And here I thought it was because they were direct copies of the metal Beginner Set minis, which had the bases shortened in order to allow them to be attached to the minis when molded. ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 04 May 2018, 20:55:25
Thanks Chubby!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: BrokenMnemonic on 05 May 2018, 03:39:07
Thought so.
I gotta say i wish some existing minis had larger bases all the same. The previous intro box has good quality minis for most part (IMO), but some 'Mech poses just leave them slightly unbalanced and i've gotten a couple with slightly warped bases (the worst is a Cicada that is both leaning too far back and has warped base, some glue to the bottom helped but didn't quite fix it).
I've found that glueing the base to a coin helps solve that problem - here in the uk, 2p pieces are good for that, but a metal washer would work as well.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 05 May 2018, 15:11:25
If it is being done from Origins or GenCon, it would be neat to have the video done from the Catalyst video after the set up is done but before the Con opens to the public.

It all depends on timing of the boxed sets' production, and my personal availability, because I doubt anyone else with CGL has the time or capability to do a video from a con. Also, not for nothing, but a con floor is not conducive to good audio or video--as I learned the hard way in my WWE announcement video last year. This time around I would use wireless lav mics and a better camera, but it's still not great.

Also, if I do make Gen Con, I have lots of other ideas for content, too.

Thanks Chubby!

Ouch, haha.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 05 May 2018, 15:22:05
D’oh! Fat fingers to blame!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 05 May 2018, 15:53:11
I hope we don't need wait till gencon/origins to just have anything new for Battletech.  Its cool boxes are coming, but that's not what i'd like. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 05 May 2018, 16:00:40
I hope we don't need wait till gencon/origins to just have anything new for Battletech.  Its cool boxes are coming, but that's not what i'd like.

Two-three more months is too long? ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 05 May 2018, 18:20:45
Is there gong to be a what’s up with Catalyst panel again this year? Maybe my search-fu sucks, but I didn’t find it on the GenCon event list. Trying to push a schedule together, and I’d like to leave a hole for the panel if there will be one.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: bobthecoward on 05 May 2018, 21:24:41
A sourcebook preview would be super nice. I was quite an active poster and did a fair share of number crunching posts. I would like something to get the battletech imagination flowing.

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Gaiiten on 07 May 2018, 11:29:56
Two-three more months is too long? ;)

If they are going to publish an A-class title after this time, it is not too long.
However, they must finally deliver. So far it has been mostly vaporware.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: RoundTop on 07 May 2018, 12:05:01
Is there gong to be a what’s up with Catalyst panel again this year? Maybe my search-fu sucks, but I didn’t find it on the GenCon event list. Trying to push a schedule together, and I’d like to leave a hole for the panel if there will be one.

Likely yes.

It is not scheduled yet.

The usual time is Thursday evening.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 07 May 2018, 13:55:56
Likely yes.

It is not scheduled yet.

The usual time is Thursday evening.

Going to miss it again. Cant wait till someone post the transcripts.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: RoundTop on 07 May 2018, 13:58:41
Going to miss it again. Cant wait till someone post the transcripts.

I'll summarize it for you.  ;D

Dragonfire.
Dragonfire.
We cannot comment on ongoing legal actions.
Shiny new box sets.
Dragonfire.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sharpnel on 07 May 2018, 14:02:22
I'll summarize it for you.  ;D

Dragonfire.
Dragonfire.
We cannot comment on ongoing legal actions.
Shiny new box sets.
Dragonfire.
YOu forgot to mention the HBS and PGI games and Shdowrun. Otherwise this very likely on the money.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 07 May 2018, 14:26:06
I will likely be available Thursday night to grab a video again...thanks to getting locked out of the event I had planned to do at that time. Once it is announced and I can be sure that I will be there, I'll post in the relevant Gencon thread or start one.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 08 May 2018, 09:09:46
I will likely be available Thursday night to grab a video again...thanks to getting locked out of the event I had planned to do at that time. Once it is announced and I can be sure that I will be there, I'll post in the relevant Gencon thread or start one.

We're also looking into options to live-stream the panel via Facebook Live or some similar, easy-to-setup tool.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 08 May 2018, 09:17:43
If you do go that route, please record it for Youtuber as well please, for those of us that aren't on the book. :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 08 May 2018, 09:59:27
If you do go that route, please record it for Youtuber as well please, for those of us that aren't on the book. :)

That's what I'm trying to pin down. FB is the easiest to set up and execute--just point a tablet and push a button--but limits access. YouTube links are more accessible and more easily shared, but require creating another "official" platform for BT content, which I'm trying to limit.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 08 May 2018, 10:05:10
What about Twitch or Mixer or other streaming services (if any exists)? Is it that "create yet another platform" thing with them as well?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: faithless on 08 May 2018, 10:30:00
Cubby, could it be done with the CSO guys? They could be involved with the unboxing. Like a first look by them at the production minis.  They have a twitch, fb and youtube accounts.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 08 May 2018, 10:40:00
What about Twitch or Mixer or other streaming services (if any exists)? Is it that "create yet another platform" thing with them as well?

Yes, also IIRC Twitch requires a login. There are some other solutions like Mixer, but I want to make sure the stream is accessible as widely as possible.

Cubby, could it be done with the CSO guys? They could be involved with the unboxing. Like a first look by them at the production minis.  They have a twitch, fb and youtube accounts.

I have other plans in the works for unboxing videos, which may or may not be tied to Gen Con specifically. It all depends on production timing.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: The_Livewire on 08 May 2018, 10:43:35
If it were to be unboxed at Origisn and you need a place to do it, I offer my humble kitchen table...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 08 May 2018, 10:51:39
Yes, also IIRC Twitch requires a login. There are some other solutions like Mixer, but I want to make sure the stream is accessible as widely as possible.
Wait, are you talking about log in to stream or log in to watch? Twitch can be watched without logging in.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 08 May 2018, 11:14:06
Wait, are you talking about log in to stream or log in to watch? Twitch can be watched without logging in.

My fault, I was typing while doing something else. Yes, I meant a login to stream. If we're going to have to create a new platform one way or another, I want to do some evaluations of each to determine which might be most useful to CGL in the future, and which we're most likely to be able to ever create more content for.

Basically, I don't want to create a Twitch account for one single video, and then figure out later that YouTube provides the most ongoing opportunity to reach our audience, and that's what we ought to have created instead.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 08 May 2018, 13:51:32
My fault, I was typing while doing something else. Yes, I meant a login to stream. If we're going to have to create a new platform one way or another, I want to do some evaluations of each to determine which might be most useful to CGL in the future, and which we're most likely to be able to ever create more content for.

Basically, I don't want to create a Twitch account for one single video, and then figure out later that YouTube provides the most ongoing opportunity to reach our audience, and that's what we ought to have created instead.

Can’t speak for twitch, but I’ve used Facebook live and YouTube live, both are stupid easy to use.

I would say if wanted to use YouTube, which is accessible by people without having to sign in/etc, you could start a channel, focusing on the starter products, which would give way to ‘how to play’ videos.  Heck, you could even catagorize things by intro, standard, dark age ect
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Borthquake on 08 May 2018, 15:05:50
Is there a reason that the Wolverine is duplicated in both the Beginner and the Full box sets?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Mendrugo on 08 May 2018, 15:32:47
The Not Named Clan presided over unit selection.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 08 May 2018, 15:35:46
The Not Named Clan presided over unit selection.

Quite true, Harmony Gold did have something to do with selection- lol.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 08 May 2018, 16:11:49
Is there a reason that the Wolverine is duplicated in both the Beginner and the Full box sets?

I kinda like it.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: The_Livewire on 08 May 2018, 16:29:44
You can never have too many Wolverines. Ask Marvel
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 08 May 2018, 16:32:40
I have 5 . . . this will make 7 when the boxes come out.

I still need to put together my other Prim to be a -7M . . . so WVR-6R unseen, -3R (or 6R stand in), -8K, II/-7H, an unassembled -7M . . . two plastics . . . one will be a -9M, and not sure about the other.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 08 May 2018, 16:43:27
I don't think I have any WVRs left! I must rectify this error ASAP.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Daemion on 09 May 2018, 02:37:54
With new box sets!

The plastics from the box sets will make great conversions.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Geont on 09 May 2018, 04:05:25
I saw in local distributor's catalogue new product for BT, Map Set. Will have this new Map Set all six maps that were mentioned in Coming Releases?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 09 May 2018, 05:49:06
distributors list announced (or sometimes even rumored) products all the time. until we get real details from cgl, it's just a retailer's placeholder for something that may or may not eventually exist. My FLGS still has a preorder for the Alpha Strike Box and Combat Manual: Davion.

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: GRUD on 09 May 2018, 22:38:27
I have 5 . . . this will make 7 when the boxes come out.

I still need to put together my other Prim to be a -7M . . . so WVR-6R unseen, -3R (or 6R stand in), -8K, II/-7H, an unassembled -7M . . . two plastics . . . one will be a -9M, and not sure about the other.
What, no BD Wolverine?   ???
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 10 May 2018, 14:40:38
I thought the Combat Manuals all came to a end?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 10 May 2018, 14:48:23
they did, but my FLGS lists CM: Davion as a preorder. It's the peril of trusting a distributor's product listing... sometimes they're right. other times, not so much
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 10 May 2018, 14:54:24
The store i use still lists the Clan box set. And i suspect that never got even as far as the CM Davion in development... Probably should send them a note that it isn't appearing...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 10 May 2018, 15:05:27
'To Whom it May Concern-

Dear Sir/Ma'am I just want to let you know the product you show being available in 2008 has not been released by the publisher and thus 10 years later I am asking for the return of my deposit promptly as you have not kept your catalog up to date.  Thank you.'
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: JadeHellbringer on 10 May 2018, 15:14:39
"P.S. - Please inform your video game department that Half-Life 3 still has not released, but that I still want my money back even though Duke Nukem Forever actually DID come out."
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 10 May 2018, 15:16:53
FLGS lists are weird, man. here's my local shop

(http://puu.sh/AjLcZ/c78516e5ae.png)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 10 May 2018, 15:24:21
Well, damn. LGS used to have Map Set Compilation 2 available, should've bought a second copy while i had a chance.
On the other hand, looks like they've also sold out all BattleMech Manuals, that's good i guess?
Also sold out all TRO SWs, pretty sure they had one still a couple of days back when i visited? Again, maybe i should've picked it up while i was there (i've got it as PDF though).
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 10 May 2018, 19:54:48
Do they have bad information or they just trying suck money in put outstuff they THING their going put out?

Battletech: Shadow of Faith book has been hiatus for 12 years now.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 10 May 2018, 19:56:36
Probably bad info. Distributor has some stuff, game stores put that up, but never update unless it becomes relevant, like if it is asked about.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 10 May 2018, 22:06:46
It's getting closer to Gencon so more updates on what comes out soon.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 10 May 2018, 23:12:10
Probably bad info. Distributor has some stuff, game stores put that up, but never update unless it becomes relevant, like if it is asked about.

My guess is that they dumped the previous iteration of the Coming Releases page into product listings. Shadows of Faith re-appeared on that page for awhile, but was removed in my last update to it in March. It's one of the reasons I'm trying to stay on top of keeping that page up-to-date, and not including anything on it that isn't actively being worked on--they can't erroneously pre-sell what we don't list. And in fairness to the distributors and stores, they can't know which products we post are more or less likely to actually happen.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 11 May 2018, 07:14:24
I have to say, having thinking something coming out is better what some stores have told me in the past. "Battletech dead".

I had to argue with the guy for half hour that isn't.

New product coming out is important, as long it comes. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 11 May 2018, 10:04:45
My guess is that they dumped the previous iteration of the Coming Releases page into product listings. Shadows of Faith re-appeared on that page for awhile, but was removed in my last update to it in March. It's one of the reasons I'm trying to stay on top of keeping that page up-to-date, and not including anything on it that isn't actively being worked on--they can't erroneously pre-sell what we don't list. And in fairness to the distributors and stores, they can't know which products we post are more or less likely to actually happen.

And we thank you for it!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 11 May 2018, 18:04:21
Battletech is dead to most FLGS . It's been a long time since I've seen Battletech on the shelf.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Dies Irae on 11 May 2018, 18:36:14
Battletech is dead to most FLGS . It's been a long time since I've seen Battletech on the shelf.

It's hard to support BattleTech without a proper jumping on point for new players.
The BattleTech Manual and TRO Succession Wars were a step in the right direction, but for a game advertised as a board game, the general absence of ways to get a map sheet board in physical format make it a hard push. Only being able to get Hex Pack Mountains and Canyons through trade channels makes life really difficult as a retailer since the board is a huge component to gameplay.

I know most players poo-poo the intro-level Record Sheet format as well, but Record Sheets 3039 was a good product for us, since we could up-sell it to those just starting out at the time as a rules expansion that allowed the inclusion of conventional forces in their games.

I'm speaking with my retailer hat on. PDFs products are great for me as a fan, but as a retailer, I need something tangible to be able to sell to support the game and it has to be a 'Complete' range (all the components in print must allow me to present the illusion that with the products currently available it is playable as a game on it's own).

The two introductory level box sets are a huge step in the right direction.
As a retailer who wants to carry the range, I NEED those to stay in print.

I do what I can for the veteran players as I can, but new players are always the lifeblood. It's financial suicide for me as a store to throw aggressive table time behind a game that has to be hunted off the dark corners of auction sites and online PDF stores.

Nothing I'm saying should be new information, but I felt the need to say it none-the-less.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SteelRaven on 12 May 2018, 16:16:12
I personally thought the FanPro BattlePack and Starterbooks was a great idea for new players but poor sales and gripping from the existing fanbase makes me part of the minority. We also loved the Hex Packs but those to had relativity low sales numbers that couldn't justify keeping them in production. PDFs has been both the most financially successful for CGL and affordable for new players so it's kinda had to argue with that logic though it doesn't make BT very marketable to brick and mortar game shops. So we are currently stuck in a vicious cycle of not enough fans to support physical products-> need more physical products to get more fans.  Hopefully the new boxes along with the fanbase of the HBS game will give the whole franchise a jump start it needs

Also: would love to see more Solaris VII stuff! Solaris VII gave MWO the very needed jolt of energy the game needed (why PGI didn't think of it during the Beta is still beyond me) so I'm sure there is a market for a update on the game world for all players, new and old alike.     
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: beachhead1985 on 12 May 2018, 17:21:52
It's hard to support BattleTech without a proper jumping on point for new players.
The BattleTech Manual and TRO Succession Wars were a step in the right direction, but for a game advertised as a board game, the general absence of ways to get a map sheet board in physical format make it a hard push. Only being able to get Hex Pack Mountains and Canyons through trade channels makes life really difficult as a retailer since the board is a huge component to gameplay.

I know most players poo-poo the intro-level Record Sheet format as well, but Record Sheets 3039 was a good product for us, since we could up-sell it to those just starting out at the time as a rules expansion that allowed the inclusion of conventional forces in their games.

I'm speaking with my retailer hat on. PDFs products are great for me as a fan, but as a retailer, I need something tangible to be able to sell to support the game and it has to be a 'Complete' range (all the components in print must allow me to present the illusion that with the products currently available it is playable as a game on it's own).

The two introductory level box sets are a huge step in the right direction.
As a retailer who wants to carry the range, I NEED those to stay in print.

I do what I can for the veteran players as I can, but new players are always the lifeblood. It's financial suicide for me as a store to throw aggressive table time behind a game that has to be hunted off the dark corners of auction sites and online PDF stores.

Nothing I'm saying should be new information, but I felt the need to say it none-the-less.

never mind the lance packs are OOP too and likely never to return  :-[
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 12 May 2018, 18:58:29
The Alpha Strike Lance Packs are widely available from a number of outlets at, often, more than 50% off MSRP. "Out of print" merely means that one print run was produced with no more planned. These are even still available direct from CGL, all but the Assault Lance. There are more than enough of the Lance Packs to go around, and there is absolutely nobody nor nothing saying they're "likely never to return."
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SCC on 12 May 2018, 19:07:11
Yep, I reckon that they'll get a new run after the new boxsets are out.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 12 May 2018, 20:40:13
Yep, I reckon that they'll get a new run after the new boxsets are out.

Or we'll have a new mix of minis.

Though honestly, it almost seems like the existing lance packs were overproduced as it is, given their still wide availability. They may choose to scale back a bit the next time because they don't want unsold inventory warming shelves.

(note, I have neither inside knowledge nor experience in the field. My statements are purely suppositions, not meant to be brought up months later in out of context fragments as some sort of statement of fact)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 12 May 2018, 20:47:20
I figure that if there are ever going to be new lance packs, they will have new miniatures, using either the new box set sculpts, or they will include other 'Mechs with new sculpts. Also figure they won't be as cheap as the previous lance packs.


Some folks i talked to regard older BT mini sculpts just unacceptable nowadays when it comes to quality, and that basically included all lance packs and previous introductory sets, even if they do contain a lot of minis for the price.
Now, they're acceptable to me (since minis aren't what draw me to BT anyway) but i can see how new players might need something better, and i don't doubt that this is a common thing, considering what kind of things other miniature games offer.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 12 May 2018, 21:30:44
And the new players would be right. A fair amount of the old sculpts suffer from the same quality issues as (as much as I love the mood he set) Earl Geier's approach to proportion (as in proportion is something that happens to other people). No one can do a smoking wreck like Geier but I doubt his old work would be accepted today. Quality has improved and it should be likewise for the premier miniatures.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 13 May 2018, 09:30:33
We also loved the Hex Packs but those to had relativity low sales numbers that couldn't justify keeping them in production.

A concept that often gets lost in these discussions is sales velocity. It's not as simple as "they didn't sell." It's often that "they didn't sell fast enough." That ties up the capital used to produce that product for YEARS, when the turnaround needs to be months at most. And that goes double for a product like the HexPacks, which were resource-intensive to produce.

That's why we've been putting out the message that we want these new boxed sets to sell quickly and strongly.

I figure that if there are ever going to be new lance packs, they will have new miniatures, using either the new box set sculpts, or they will include other 'Mechs with new sculpts. Also figure they won't be as cheap as the previous lance packs.

Far too early to say what any hypothetical product would or wouldn't include, let alone the price point.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 13 May 2018, 10:32:21
A concept that often gets lost in these discussions is sales velocity. It's not as simple as "they didn't sell." It's often that "they didn't sell fast enough." That ties up the capital used to produce that product for YEARS, when the turnaround needs to be months at most. And that goes double for a product like the HexPacks, which were resource-intensive to produce.

That's why we've been putting out the message that we want these new boxed sets to sell quickly and strongly.

*nods* And that's the actual lesson from the Lance Packs. They were produced while Herb was still Line Editor, and they're still in stock with CGL. That's a poor sales velocity, despite their value and quality.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 13 May 2018, 10:32:41
Just speculating, based new miniatured for the new box sets, demand for higher quality minis, new box set being more expensive.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 16 May 2018, 13:44:04
A bit of news to share: Adam Potts over at TechRaptor just published a recap of the upcoming tabletop releases and a Q&A with Brent and a few others.

Check it out here: https://techraptor.net/content/battletech-tabletop-interview (https://techraptor.net/content/battletech-tabletop-interview)

Enjoy!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 16 May 2018, 14:29:06
Nice that they included visuals in the article.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Foxx Ital on 16 May 2018, 15:26:06
Box art looks amazing, kudos to the artist. I wanna pick up a set for that Catapult alone. It looks like a puppy who just wants head rubbies.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 16 May 2018, 15:52:45
The box art looks great. Cant wait for the stuff to come out.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 16 May 2018, 16:16:22
Glad we got another interview that shed some light on what's going on.

So Blaine's novel maybe coming soon i hope.  Maybe next years Gencon...hopefully sooner than that darn it!  :drool:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 16 May 2018, 16:44:26
I just want it released PDF at the same time as GenCon.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Rainbow 6 on 16 May 2018, 17:36:25
Good update, really want both those boxes.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Crimson Dawn on 16 May 2018, 19:31:13
I am loving those miniatures.  I have a previous box set from a few years ago and that is really cool but these sets have some really cool mechs that I just want.  The wolverine, thunderbolt, shadowhawk, and these particular versions of the awesome (a mech I usually do not like the look of but like the general idea of) and catapultI will have to put these on the list to get.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 16 May 2018, 19:41:42
I can’t stop acquiring catapults, it seems
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 16 May 2018, 19:49:58
I can’t stop acquiring catapults, it seems

Lol, and I even made one of the last ones with missile doors open!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Crimson Dawn on 16 May 2018, 20:55:02
I can’t stop acquiring catapults, it seems

Why would you want to lol.

Though seriously considering a previous thread one of those should be a K2 just for fun.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 17 May 2018, 13:58:47
<Mod>Hi guys.

Please start a new topic to discuss theoretical value of shifting timelines for new product. I'm going to consider this off topic at this point, thanks.</Mod>

New topic here for that: https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=61546.0
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 18 May 2018, 20:55:20
It's Friday night! How about some previews?

We've told you that the two new box sets, the BattleTech Beginner Box and BattleTech: A Game of Armored Combat, will include punch-out Mechs and terrain.

Here's what they'll look like!

(https://preview.ibb.co/mrxiT8/BTAGo_AC_Punchboard_Bk_Display.png) (https://ibb.co/gDA3T8)(https://preview.ibb.co/dDO1Fo/BTAGo_AC_Punchboard_Frt_Display.png) (https://ibb.co/mgvsMT)(https://preview.ibb.co/iuFsMT/BTBB_Punchboard_Bk_Display.png) (https://ibb.co/c71XMT)(https://preview.ibb.co/e3XHo8/BTBB_Punchboard_Frt_Display.png) (https://ibb.co/gjrovo)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 18 May 2018, 21:06:18
I am very happy that the duplicate 'Mechs will have different color schemes.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 18 May 2018, 21:22:19
 ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 18 May 2018, 21:57:11
I am comically excited to see those terrain tiles. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 18 May 2018, 22:01:39
Man I'd love to see some high-res art of those rear views.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kojak on 18 May 2018, 22:07:41
Man I'd love to see some high-res art of those rear views.

Dude. Phrasing.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 18 May 2018, 22:08:19
Are those 3d renders or pics of painted minis originally?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 18 May 2018, 22:11:22
;)

Y'all still aren't off the hook until I've got these in my grubby mitts.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 18 May 2018, 22:20:07
Seeing the front/back punch sheet of standees gives me serious nostalgia for the halcyon when I first cracked open the 2nd edition boxed set.

It's a good feeling.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SteelRaven on 19 May 2018, 00:13:38
 :drool:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Maingunnery on 19 May 2018, 05:17:01
:drool:
Indeed, this is very impressive. Now I need to buy both boxes.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 19 May 2018, 09:34:26
Give me MOAR! I WANT MOAR!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 19 May 2018, 11:30:19
Give me MOAR! I WANT MOAR!

You got it. Check back early next week, we'll have a special, small reward to tide you over until the boxes drop.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Yu Kigono on 19 May 2018, 11:49:07
Those punch-out mechs and terrain look fabulous. Very excited for the new boxes.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 19 May 2018, 15:32:03
You got it. Check back early next week, we'll have a special, small reward to tide you over until the boxes drop.

Oh Cubby, you spoil us so :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 19 May 2018, 20:16:14
Any more news on a what’s up with Catalyst event at GenCon? I saw a second big pile of events went up this week, but didn’t see this one yet.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 21 May 2018, 09:20:19
will include punch-out Mechs and terrain.


Could we have a kick-out version for those of us with poor piloting skills?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: nckestrel on 21 May 2018, 09:21:19
Could we have a kick-out version for those of us with poor piloting skills?

Kicks are more dangerous to the kicker.  Stick with punching. Bonus: You get two attempts.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 21 May 2018, 09:28:05
Kicks are more dangerous to the kicker.  Stick with punching. Bonus: You get two attempts.

... I feel like you're assuming we all only have one leg  :D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 21 May 2018, 10:59:28
Could we have a kick-out version for those of us with poor piloting skills?

Yes, but if you damage a counter in the process, you fall to the ground and have a chance of knocking yourself unconscious.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 21 May 2018, 11:14:15
It’s ‘early next week’, we can has previews? ;)

By the way, the graphics design on the terrain is on point.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 24 May 2018, 21:04:13
Production on the new box sets is underway, and they're crammed full of so much new stuff that it didn't all fit. To tide you over until their release, here are a bunch of the new Mechwarrior Cards and accompanying "standee" 'Mechs for you to try out at your next game!

Download your free preview content here: https://tinyurl.com/BoxSetPreview (https://tinyurl.com/BoxSetPreview).

(To be clear: three of these 10 cards--Yuuya Saito, Danny Hubbard, and Kaspar Masaharu--as well as the standees available here will not be included in either box set. The other seven Mechwarrior Cards will be in the BattleTech: A Game of Armored Combat boxed set. And remember, both boxes will include high-quality plastic miniatures as well as punch-out cardboard 'Mechs.)

(https://preview.ibb.co/mGyUfo/BT_Standees_4_17a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dAspfo)(https://preview.ibb.co/jeLLmT/Mech_Warrior_Card_Samples_1_9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b45Wt8)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 24 May 2018, 21:13:41
Looking good. :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 24 May 2018, 21:25:42
And before a bunch of people point it out: yes, there's a typo on the Yuuya Saito card. Because they were not included in the final box set, they didn't get quite the editing pass (uh, from me, actually) that the others did.

We'll look at correcting and re-uploading the card in the near future.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Feenix74 on 24 May 2018, 21:26:53
Looking goodAwesome. :)

Fixed for you  :thumbsup: ^-^

Great job CGL, it is looking like an "awesome" year for Battletech.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 24 May 2018, 21:45:37
Thanks for working so hard on this stuff Cubby and crew!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 24 May 2018, 21:46:59
Fixed for you  :thumbsup: ^-^

Great job CGL, it is looking like an "awesome" year for Battletech.

I'm still being grumpy until I've got the boxed sets in my hands. ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Feenix74 on 24 May 2018, 21:53:35
Print out the standee pdf from Cubby's link and make some standees, it will make you less grumpy  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 24 May 2018, 22:33:07
I was wondering if that was possible . . . might also be good set ups for getting attention at FLGS & local cons- Print a stand up or two in larger sizes to be eye catching . . . Kind of thinking a Battlemaster or Shadow Hawk will be best for that . . .
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 24 May 2018, 22:47:32
Hmm, 3 Dracs in that 10 and no Cappies?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 24 May 2018, 23:08:41
Am I the only one that's grateful that Danny Hubbard didn't make the cut?

An effective 0 gunner in an assault mech seems like something you should earn rather than something you pull right out of the box.  :D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: BairdEC on 24 May 2018, 23:40:58
Are sprinting and extreme weapon ranges going to be part of the base rules now?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 24 May 2018, 23:54:45
Are sprinting and extreme weapon ranges going to be part of the base rules now?
I would guess no but i do wonder if the new box set rulebook is gonna include optional rules or not, like BMM does?

Funny enough but Sprinting optional rule is present in the BMM but Extreme Range is not.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 24 May 2018, 23:55:04
the text appears to be rewritten from the PSA descriptions in Campaign Operations and the advanced rules stuff is likely included for completeness. the rulebook for the box set is a pretty slim (48 pages iirc?) so there probably isn't going to be much beyond the basest of base rules

also, when I loaded the PDF of the pilot cards, it loaded all the different layers separately and caught a glimpse of the near-completely covered background

(http://puu.sh/Asvz5/1817f7cb6f.png)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Deadborder on 25 May 2018, 05:59:16
Those are beautiful. Thank you for sharing
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 25 May 2018, 09:37:57
Mm... oh yeah.  Daddy likes.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 25 May 2018, 10:30:13
the text appears to be rewritten from the PSA descriptions in Campaign Operations and the advanced rules stuff is likely included for completeness. the rulebook for the box set is a pretty slim (48 pages iirc?) so there probably isn't going to be much beyond the basest of base rules

Correct.

So, full disclosure, I was one of the two writers who did the MechWarrior Cards. (The other was Geoff "Doc" Swift, a regular BT contributor as well.) And the directive was that the cards should be usable at all levels of the game, to the maximum extent possible. Which makes sense--the last thing you want is someone who just picked up the Beginner Box to not be able to understand and play with absolutely everything in the box.

But that created some challenges in our selection of the SPAs, especially on the cards in the Beginner Box. Something like "Natural Grace" (CO, p. 78) is a great, flavorful ability. But it touches on a lot of rules that aren't in the very first product a new player would pick up. (To say nothing of the amount of text that ability comes with, that needs to be crammed onto a card.)

It took some finagling, and not everything is 100 percent compliant to the rules in one box or the other, but I think we got close.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 May 2018, 10:39:55
I am still wondering at having a effective 0 gunner in a Awesome . . . which for 3025 is one of the more effective assaults.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: RoundTop on 25 May 2018, 10:53:10
I am still wondering at having a effective 0 gunner in a Awesome . . . which for 3025 is one of the more effective assaults.

Yeah lights better keep out of LOS of that thing. if it parks, then 0+range+light movement is still likely to be only on 6s and 7s.  But... the BV2 of an awesome plus that pilot would be horrendous!  1600BV2 base, plus 60% or so for the P/G skils, so about 2100BV2, then the special pilot abilities on top.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 25 May 2018, 10:57:52
I am still wondering at having a effective 0 gunner in a Awesome . . . which for 3025 is one of the more effective assaults.

As long as the cost of the unit is very high, I don't see a problem with it.

It isn't like you would want the pilot of your heavyweight, long-range sniper to have be a lousy shot. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 May 2018, 11:03:02
Well, the pilot is already a elite gunner though piloting is 'veteran' -its within the TW pilot rolls for randomly determining.  Its just with that ability on the card he is now as good or better shot than a lot of named elite characters in BT . . . and that is the only type weapon on that mech.  I guess I just want a veteran vs veteran fight without a nobody uber showing up.  Besides, is such a SPA even paid for in BV?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 25 May 2018, 12:12:09
Well, the pilot is already a elite gunner though piloting is 'veteran' -its within the TW pilot rolls for randomly determining.  Its just with that ability on the card he is now as good or better shot than a lot of named elite characters in BT . . . and that is the only type weapon on that mech.  I guess I just want a veteran vs veteran fight without a nobody uber showing up.  Besides, is such a SPA even paid for in BV?

It stands to reason that the ace pilots in the fiction/novels/sourcebooks/etc are not the only ones we know about.

It also stands to reason that, if that Awesome is a family heirloom like the card suggests, he would have a lot of experience using it, to the point where he is intimately familiar with all of its quirks and shortcomings and oddities and operations.  Besides, if I am reading the card correctly, there is nothing that says he MUST be in an Awesome.  It just says that he gets a bonus when firing a PPC.  So, if his Awesome gets shot out from under him, and the only replacement ride he can find is a Jagermech, he is screwed. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 25 May 2018, 12:31:30
Well, the pilot is already a elite gunner though piloting is 'veteran' -its within the TW pilot rolls for randomly determining.  Its just with that ability on the card he is now as good or better shot than a lot of named elite characters in BT . . . and that is the only type weapon on that mech.  I guess I just want a veteran vs veteran fight without a nobody uber showing up.  Besides, is such a SPA even paid for in BV?

Just go snuggle with him. He can't use that Small Laser like Aiden Pryde.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Charistoph on 25 May 2018, 13:04:56
As long as the cost of the unit is very high, I don't see a problem with it.

It isn't like you would want the pilot of your heavyweight, long-range sniper to have be a lousy shot.

And doesn't the Box come with a Battlemaster?  The pilot for that could be well balanced against it.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 25 May 2018, 13:18:04
I am still wondering at having a effective 0 gunner in a Awesome . . . which for 3025 is one of the more effective assaults.

I agree, but the first set of cards teased also seemed very strong. If everything is on a similar level, then it may work out OK.

I just hope some of the light 'mech pilots bring something to avoid getting mowed down too quickly.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Louie N on 25 May 2018, 13:36:22
I am looking forward to the new box set for the new style of Miniatures. 

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 26 May 2018, 10:56:13
And doesn't the Box come with a Battlemaster?  The pilot for that could be well balanced against it.

By the time the Battlemaster gets close, it (should) be pretty chewed up, but once it’s in that sweet spot the awesome is going to have to start boxing or backing up.

Either way, hot mech-on-mech action :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 26 May 2018, 12:49:24
Current;y I do not believe that SPAs have a BV cost associated with them. Do remember though that the SPAs are also an optional rule so you don't have to use it.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 26 May 2018, 13:56:24
Highly unfortunate both quirks and SPAs lack proper balancing methods.
Interesting stuff, but some of them have massive impact on things, both positively and negatively.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 26 May 2018, 13:58:55
The SPAs will probably balance as a separate budget from BV, since the spoiler card we see gives a cost to the SPAs that pilot possesses.

I get x amount of BV, and you get that same x.

I get y amount of SPAs, and you get that same y.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Hythos on 26 May 2018, 14:07:56
Highly unfortunate both quirks and SPAs lack proper balancing methods.
Interesting stuff, but some of them have massive impact on things, both positively and negatively.
AToW balances things if between two freshly made pilots of equal XP...
Just as record sheets & AS cards don't show the formulas to build the unit, these pilot cards aren't showing the character's full MW stats. Yes, RS's can be extrapolated, but because characters improve through play, balance is not a thing between skilled/advanced/played/XP'd pilots.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: nckestrel on 26 May 2018, 14:10:12
AToW balances things if between two freshly made pilots of equal XP...
Just as record sheets & AS cards don't show the formulas to build the unit, these pilot cards aren't showing the character's full MW stats. Yes, RS's can be extrapolated, but because characters improve through play, balance is not a thing between pilots.

They're not using ATOW.  ATOW has prerequisites (other SPAs, skill levels, etc) that aren't used for these.  There's no ATOW "behind the scenes" on these, so it's not balancing them.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 26 May 2018, 17:15:07
I don't do ATOW, and i don't think RPG systems work as the kind of balancing system i'm thinking here in any case.

The problem with separate SPA budget is that it doesn't take units into account. For example, the "PPC specialist" boosts value of an Awesome way more than it boosts a BattleMaster, and is worthless in PPC-less 'Mech. Yet you pay the same cost all the same. (Yes, i notice the pilots with that SPA aren't in the box sets, but the same principle applies to other abilities as well.)

I figure the pilot cards and SPAs for them are pretty good addition to a box set. But i am very concerned whether i can use them practically.

Same thing with quirks. Like the concept, especially now that BMM included quirks for most 'Mechs that were missing them. But the quirks cannot be balanced really, not since there is BV-modifiers for them or something like that. Some are really good, others are crippling.

I'm not keen on "gut-feeling" balancing for non-RPG games.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 26 May 2018, 17:44:07
A guy i used game with modded Shadow Run 5 system, it works fine.

I wish CGL would consider using that system. No disrespect to herb but it was funner experience for me.  I like rolling more than pair of 2 siders.  It does need be adjusted for Battletech but it does work good.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 26 May 2018, 18:16:04
As for piloting abilities, I would assume a player would tailor the piloting abilities to the mechs they're assigning them to. So a Battlemaster would probably have weapon specialist medium laser instead, or more likely some physical combat abilities.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 26 May 2018, 18:23:02
Even if abilities are tailored, their value depends a lot on the unit overall.


Are the pilot cards as they are intended to be used with the 'Mech in the card?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 26 May 2018, 20:40:40
Has anyone actually played heavily with pilot abilities or are we just worrying endlessly about shit in theory that may or may not be a problem?

In my campaigns I allow players to buy abilities as the campaign goes on and balancing against them by point values vs point values works ok. Sometimes you get boned, yeah. Like the time a guy with Weapon Specialist: UAC/20 went and got his blitzkrieg cored and it took months to find a new ride.  You occasionally have a situational disadvantage where abilities aren’t optimal, sure, but it’s not nearly as bad as paying for a C3 network and end up facing a wall of ECM or running LRM boats on a shoebox-sized map
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 26 May 2018, 22:11:30
Raising gunnery skill raises BV quite a bit (lowering, you know what i mean :P). Effectively raising gunnery skill via SPAs should have similar effect. For an Awesome, Danny Hubbard's ability is effectively raising his gunnery by 2. OK, that is actually pretty simple to account in BV. But even having limited number of weapons with better gunnery has effect on things, just like TarComp or AES or integral to-hit bonuses do.

Effectiveness of things varies, of course. Speed Demon is a trade-off in itself, so it probably doesn't need to modify BV. Then again, you have Forest Ranger, that in right map can have quite significant effect but might not. Jumping Jack is always massively beneficial when jumping, and jump capability increases BV, so shouldn't even better jumping capability do that so as well?

I play BV exclusively BV balanced games, so yeah, stuff like this matters to me. And yes, i'd be interested in using Pilot Cards SPAs (and quirks) because they add much to pilots who are otherwise just stats on paper.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 26 May 2018, 22:17:43
If spas are situational how do you cost them

Try playing cost vs cost it’s not as awful as you imagine.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 26 May 2018, 22:26:58
I am hoping game developers would come up with a system for that. Considering BT has rules for some really, really... inane things, i'd say proper balancing rules for quirks and SPAs would fit right in, hell they'd probably be more used than many, many optional rules.
Even if some things are situational, they can be extremely powerful when the right situation comes by.
And there are costs for situational things in BT already. Such as MASC/Jump jet combo that makes unit cost more than it is really worth because both cannot be used at once (effectively you pay for situational versatility).

Ideally there should be some kind of dynamic costing system.

EDIT It isn't that cost vs cost can't work. It is that i prefer more accuracy than that. Tonnage vs tonnage works for introtech games, but i very much prefer BV for greater accuracy even for just introtech.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: monbvol on 26 May 2018, 22:43:23
As a counter point you don't adjust the BV of a 1G Battlemaster if it is forced to fight on open terrain nor does a FS9-H Firestarter if there is a bunch of infantry on the board.

SPAs do have their own point cost, like design quirks.  So if one side gets 10 points of SPAs so should the other side.  It seems to work well enough for all the other arbitrary numbers that Battletech uses that are just as situational, if not more so.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 26 May 2018, 22:46:25
BV is far from perfect, it’s just the imperfect system you’ve adjusted for.

Spa points for points is fine in my experience outside of a few horrendously abusive combos like range master long + oblique attacks

If you’ve got some real experience playing with them heavily, we can talk about that but I im done dancing in circles imagining how something might work
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Daemion on 26 May 2018, 22:52:40
Just go snuggle with him. He can't use that Small Laser like Aiden Pryde.

Yeah, but a base 4 four kicking, with that -2 mod... He's still a better close combatant than your standard pilot, let alone any green pilot.



That said, when are we going to see a little more from the pending Field Manual: Noble, Mercs and Militias - Oh, My(!)? In a lot of the older field manuals, all we get are the front line 'Stars' of the setting, but a lot of game-play seems to be regulated to small-time merc bands, local Nobles with their retinues, and maybe militia formations. While I like to see the standard military break-down for the house elites, I'd love to at least see blurbs and standards for nobility on any given planet, how militia determine what's available to them, and how many small merc bands are on retainer that don't leave a given system at any given time?

Hop sing(!!!), grasshopper!

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Daemion on 26 May 2018, 22:54:48
Current;y I do not believe that SPAs have a BV cost associated with them. Do remember though that the SPAs are also an optional rule so you don't have to use it.

I did run specialist weapons through the Heavy Metal BV calculator in the custom weapons page, and there was a slight mark-up. There is some kind of formula. With something like that, it's not hard to make the change, and even have a note on the custom sheet that it's pilot is a specialist in the weapon.

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 26 May 2018, 22:55:32
We already have rules for determining the militia strength of any given world, in the Objectives series.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 26 May 2018, 23:20:25
There is also the old Hot Spots books that give numbers on creating random garrison or raid opfors iirc. Or maybe it was Brush Wars.... I know it is in an older set of books.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Daemion on 26 May 2018, 23:22:35
So, it's in the Objectives series, and is a new player directed there from the core box materials? I haven't the BMM, yet, so someone with would have to enlighten me.
 8)  ^-^

But, I'm asking for a touch more than just Militia here in this book, Mercs here in this book, nobles here in the RPG book, though it's a good starting point.

I've read through the FM:Mercs, and a lot of the others, and there are little blurbs in their about the breakdown of forces, and 'average compositions' if they get a mention. (FM: Lyran Alliance and Free Worlds League were pretty good about this.)  I've even read the setting primer out of the prior Boxed set, and even though a lot is said about units in general, there's a lot missing that I would have loved as a beginner:

- How do you get started as a merc unit? A lot of wonderful accounting systems to get you started, but not a lot of context for generating the story. And, if someone comes up with something, how do you know it's kosher BattleTech?

- What kind of unit allowance do you get as a particular rank of noble? You don't have to be a Merc, or a house regular, to have Mechs that see actions. As a noble, you get the benefit of having a Mech. Or, is it as a Mechwarrior, you get the benefits of holding a title and land, and protecting it from predators? When do you get to muster with other Knights if all you have is one? How big a retinue do you have access to if you're anything higher? (I am taking this particular thought to a new thread.)

- Do you really see a lot of action as a Minuteman?  A lot of what we read is history of the line units, but the House FMs pointed out that militia were generally the first line of defense, stalling until the heavy hitters could arrive in a true invasion. Raids are not invasions, so I doubt that you'd be calling in the Davion Assault Guards in a timely fashion on Timbuktu if there isn't a lance or company there on a Flag-bearing tour.

I don't need hard and fast numbers, but a rough idea would be lovely. I know that 'If it works in your games' is a big rule for these forums, and the game in general. (You might want to lead the rules with that in the box set.)  But, if the general player trend is to run a merc unit before committing to a house, how much interstellar action is there? Or, is each planet truly an island?

I"d finally like to see this introductory aspect to Mechwarrioring and Mech Commandering giving a real stab by the Powers-that-be.

Doesn't have to be an honest FM, though. But, something in a new introductory look at the universe and getting started in the story would be awesome.









As for SPAs costs, maybe one should consider paying for each instance where the cost applies? So, pilot in an awesome with the PPC specialist pays for each weapon it applies to, which is normally 3? What if he starts the game with pre-existing damage and one PPC is out? Same pilot in a BMaster pays only once? Same pilot in a different mech with no PPCs pays nothing for the ability.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 26 May 2018, 23:30:06
Not every player will run campaigns. I often see games played as one and done. Build a force with X BV/PV and play the game to its resolution. I have never seen anyone play aToW and don't often see anyone playing a story campaign. Thats not to say it doesn't happen.

The issue with point costs and SPAs or even unit quirks etc. isn't really something to discuss in this thread though in the detail that has taken place. Best to give it its own thread me thinks. Lest we annoy the mods :P
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Daemion on 26 May 2018, 23:40:21
I guess I came into the game more of an RPGer than I realized. I looked at BattleTech as a nice fusion of GI Joes and Transformers, where the human GI Joe pilot could have Transformer levels of impact on a battle. The whole thing about pilot experience across games just leads to at least a guantlet approach for pilots, and eventually a string of games that make a larger story and battle.

But, yeah, I get what you say. A lot of people have probably glossed that over, especially in the newer rules, which don't pay as much attention to that. In the 2nd and 3rd (and probably 4th) it was one of the first things you read about, experience and how to accrue it and spend it to improve skill values.

Still, where is a lot of the combat, really? Is it the smaller nameless guys that do a lot of the real fighting? Or is it really boring until a Lyran Guards unit decides to conduct a cross-border raid into the Free Worlds League?  I would personally still like a keener insight into the scale of the conflicts, the number of raids, and so on.  Is there a turn-over rate? Is it among the front line units, or elsewhere?

A lot of 4x4 BattleTech games, played to the last side with Mechs standing, are pretty damn decisive, and can end pilot careers, if not lives.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 27 May 2018, 02:46:53
The issue with point costs and SPAs or even unit quirks etc. isn't really something to discuss in this thread though in the detail that has taken place. Best to give it its own thread me thinks. Lest we annoy the mods :P

Its something we were seeing as part of a new release . . . they take enough liberty moving stuff for BS reasons, do not invite more.

My problem is we have products that are supposed to be intro intro . . . but hey, we introduced SPAs on these nifty cards coincidentally that match the mechs in the box so when a player deals out the cards to divide the forces they look at it, pilot is 2/4 "And my PPCs get a -2!"
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 27 May 2018, 11:40:02
I do like the Mechwarrior cards giving the pilots little more to them when it's appropriate. As long things don't get too crazy.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 28 May 2018, 09:20:17
I do like the Mechwarrior cards giving the pilots little more to them when it's appropriate. As long things don't get too crazy.

This is where I'm at, too.  We've spent 30 years being told how Mechwarriors are the elite of the elite and the Inner Sphere equivalent of nobles who inherit their equipment as it os passed down the family tree and how they attend pretigious training academies and so-on and so-on.  All that has usually translated to, though, is a hastily made up name and a pair of numbers that, on a good day, gives the supposed elite of the elite a slight better-than-average chance of hitting a slow moving target. 

Pilots NEED to be more interesting.  They need skills that make sense in the context of personal, customized equipment and years of training.  Their piloting and gunnery skills need to reflect the fact that they are actually competent professionals and not a bunch of random conscripts who were assigned to a mech by random chance.  Honestly, I feel like MOST mech pilots should have an effective gunnery skill closer to 0.

From a real-world perspective, abilities like this mean that players will be able to hit things more frequently, which means they will be able to kill things more quickly, which translates to games that don't drag on for hours.  I think this is a very good compromise between the "keep the game the same" crowd and the "this game needs to go faster" crowd.

Besides, as I am often reminded when I ask whether or not the game really needs twelve different flavors of medium lasers, the SPAs are optional, so just use what works for your table. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 28 May 2018, 09:39:40
From a real-world perspective, abilities like this mean that players will be able to hit things more frequently, which means they will be able to kill things more quickly, which translates to games that don't drag on for hours.  I think this is a very good compromise between the "keep the game the same" crowd and the "this game needs to go faster" crowd.
Especially in the pre-Clan eras, before the advent of XL engines and DHS turned 'Mechs into much nastier gun platforms than before.  Armor didn't change, but firepower sure did, and that made it much easier to killinate in the later games.  Earlier, not so much...so this will definitely help!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 28 May 2018, 09:52:57
XL engines was a very easy costly way of making a lot of firepower into a mech, some mechs you get can get 10 or more tons of firepower.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 28 May 2018, 13:06:35
Besides, as I am often reminded when I ask whether or not the game really needs twelve different flavors of medium lasers, the SPAs are optional, so just use what works for your table.

Except that this intro product with all the advanced equipment that can also speed up a game and make it easier to hit were left out.  It's KISS
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: abou on 28 May 2018, 13:13:00
XL engines was a very easy costly way of making a lot of firepower into a mech, some mechs you get can get 10 or more tons of firepower.
Now that I am older and farther away from the min/max mentality of my youth, I actually really enjoy how suboptimal a lot of the 3050 "upgrades" were designed. Showcasing how poorly understood new technologies work and where to use them is not only historically accurate, but human nature.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 28 May 2018, 20:20:42
I like the SPAs on the cards; basically, you can tell new comers: hey, just use the cards for the gunnery and piloting.  Oh, those special pilot abilities?  Try the red pill; see how far the rabbit hole goes.

It’s the whole AIDA acronym from glengarry glen Ross.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 01 June 2018, 10:28:32
We can has more previews?? Paaaleeeeease ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Eisenwolf on 01 June 2018, 12:59:59
I would rather have some new products, TtS, TP, Spotlight on, XTRO.... anything. It has been a long time since we got something new. Something completely new. Not just a compilation of some units I already know about from older TROs which were only copy-ed over like TRO: SW was.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 12 June 2018, 12:11:52
Just checking in again: any news on the scheduling of a What’s up with Catalyst event at GenCon? I’m still trying to leave Thursday night open as that SEEMS to be the most likely time slot, but I’d prefer to know for sure! Thanks.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 12 June 2018, 12:58:48
I would rather have some new products, TtS, TP, Spotlight on, XTRO.... anything. It has been a long time since we got something new. Something completely new. Not just a compilation of some units I already know about from older TROs which were only copy-ed over like TRO: SW was.
Totally agree with you. Its been such a dry period.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: MagnaMorbius on 12 June 2018, 14:53:50
Will we be seeing products coming to UK sellers (like the lovely Amazon), as the international postage is usually cripplingly expensive. Also, how will the Print on Demand service work when it has to cross an ocean?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 12 June 2018, 17:14:54
I wish to heck i could find Battletech Legacy anthology. It came out last year, but no one seems to have it, including Amazon!  Is that coming out in print this year in more wide release?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 12 June 2018, 17:55:21
Was that the one that was available at GenCon?  I asked about it earlier and got referred back to the previous novels.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 12 June 2018, 20:17:20
Was that the one that was available at GenCon?  I asked about it earlier and got referred back to the previous novels.
Yeah it was. It's so strange. Betrayal of Ideals (Pardoe's Wolverine novel) and Embers of War (by Jason Schmetzer) saw printed wide enough publication to be purchase with regular vender as well as the older anthologies. Yet Legacy isn't. 

Oh well i hope we see something soon. Sorry to complain.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Reldn on 12 June 2018, 21:04:35
I wish heck i could find Battletech Legacy anthology. It came out last year, but no one seems to have including Amazon!  Is that coming out in print this year in more wide release?

I've been wondering about this as well. Been looking forward to reading this Anthology, but, no sign of it. Fingers crossed we start seeing more stuff here soon.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 13 June 2018, 11:23:27
Okay, b/c when I asked about a book released at GenCon that was supposed to be out already TPTB were asking about Embers & Betrayal . . . and I could not remember the title.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Mendrugo on 13 June 2018, 11:35:42
I asked about it a few months back, and they said they were on the verge of saying "yes," but it turned out there were a few things that still needed doing before they could commit to a release date.  (They may be holding it back until Print on Demand solidifies...dunno.)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 13 June 2018, 11:40:30
Its rather annoying b/c it could already have been out in e-reader format when they were selling it at GenCon.  I mean I understand why traditional publishers started pulling back on releases and keeping the prices as high as their paperbacks for e-reader versions- they are trying to fight technology and keep their whipmakers at work.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 13 June 2018, 11:46:07
I asked about it a few months back, and they said they were on the verge of saying "yes," but it turned out there were a few things that still needed doing before they could commit to a release date.  (They may be holding it back until Print on Demand solidifies...dunno.)

I think that was the answer when I asked about it the last time. I'll check again.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 13 June 2018, 12:29:09
Question on the starter book: will it be cover things like heat, etc?  That’s an odd question I know, but the quick start guide available on the get started page does not.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Xotl on 13 June 2018, 12:34:34
The new quick start one will not (beginner box set).  The new intro rules one will.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 13 June 2018, 15:15:13
Ace, thanks!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 13 June 2018, 15:41:41
Will there be anything new at Origins??
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: RoundTop on 13 June 2018, 15:56:53
Will there be anything new at Origins??

At this point, unlikely. Since they are already setup for origins (as of today), with opening tomorrow, if there was new product, there would be announcements all over about it.  There might be the standard dice, t-shirts, etc. I expect you will see some posts tomorrow by people.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 13 June 2018, 16:12:41
At this point, unlikely. Since they are already setup for origins (as of today), with opening tomorrow, if there was new product, there would be announcements all over about it.  There might be the standard dice, t-shirts, etc. I expect you will see some posts tomorrow by people.

Sad...but just going to have to wait for Gencon.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 13 June 2018, 21:24:44
Isn't GenCon ususally where new product is done.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sharpnel on 14 June 2018, 04:24:36
Will there be anything new at Origins??
At this point, the only new stuff is for the Dragonfire game. As far as other CGL products go, there doesn't appear anything new for BT, Shadowrun or any of their other games.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 14 June 2018, 11:57:10
Hi everyone!

We've moved discussion of the new 5th printing of Total Warfare over to here (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=61886.0). You'll find that post stickied at the top of the General Discussion page.

In this case, I didn't have advance notice that the book would be at Origins, so that's why we had to do this little shuffle. In the future, I should have a better fix on street dates for new products, and we'll handle discussion the same way, with a new, stickied post for each product. That way we can consolidate discussion around each new product, without someone having to go back 14 pages to read reaction to an older product.

This new releases thread will remain as a catch-all for discussion about things that are upcoming but haven't dropped yet.

Tl;dr - This thread for pre-release talk about products; look for dedicated, stickied threads about products post-release.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: abou on 14 June 2018, 12:18:08
If I may say, Cubby, it sounds as though the  bureaucracy of the company is changing and you are gearing up for a more regular release schedule. At least that is what my impression is.

No need for details, but I am under the impression there are a few products in the works.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 14 June 2018, 20:18:00
There are a lot of products... just all of them are on hold and have been for awhile. Though it would be nice if there were NEW new products such as new Turning Points or other source books rather than the on hold stuff we already know about (TtS, Milestones, SpotLights, ilclan, etc)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 14 June 2018, 21:09:42
If I may say, Cubby, it sounds as though the  bureaucracy of the company is changing and you are gearing up for a more regular release schedule. At least that is what my impression is.

No need for details, but I am under the impression there are a few products in the works.

There's always stuff in the pipeline, and hopefully that pipeline will be moving again soon.

Mostly, I'm just trying to standardize the way that new release are promoted, and how communications around them take place.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 14 June 2018, 22:09:39
World Wide Event announcement just dropped recently- some FWL love in 3087.

4 Brand new maps that will be available after the WWE?  Its nice that they are intended to be linked together as you can tell from the water hexes.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 15 June 2018, 09:05:27
Question: I thought I had seen something about the starters being pushed back to September; any truth to that?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Geont on 15 June 2018, 09:10:34
Question: I thought I had seen something about the starters being pushed back to September; any truth to that?
I didn't see any news regarding this. Even in September it is still Q3 release which is good. Not that I expected sooner release.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 15 June 2018, 09:23:30
I didn't see any news regarding this. Even in September it is still Q3 release which is good. Not that I expected sooner release.

Ah, I didn’t realize September was still Q3.  But I want it NOOOOWWW :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: beachhead1985 on 15 June 2018, 10:16:53
World Wide Event announcement just dropped recently- some FWL love in 3087.

4 Brand new maps that will be available after the WWE?  Its nice that they are intended to be linked together as you can tell from the water hexes.

I'd love some new maps!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Weirdo on 15 June 2018, 10:32:44
Have we been told that those maps will be available to the public in some form after the WWE?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 15 June 2018, 10:40:24
I THINK so . . . but to be honest, I was studying the maps instead of trying to pick out the speech from background noise.  By what I saw they should fit in well with other paper maps from the past and one looks like a variation of one of the old maps.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: GreyWolfActual on 15 June 2018, 11:03:17
The maps were created for the WWE by Catalyst. Since I did not create them they are not mine to distribute. I will try to find out what Catayst’s policy towards them after the event. Until the event ends, though, they are available only to the Demo Team.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 15 June 2018, 22:19:16
Quick question. I’ve been off playing all day at Origins and I’m not sure what stuff f Pls have gotten pictures of. I saw one for the new TW cover, but have there been any of the new t-shirts or dice that I think are new. Also, I saw a small mousepad with a timber wolf on it that I don’t remember. I have pics of the mouse pad and I can get one of the T-shirts and some of the dice if there haven’t been any. I don’t think the hells horses, taurian, or nova cat aluminum dice have been released before, but I could be wrong. Not sure if any other dice were new, but there were a bunch!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: RoundTop on 15 June 2018, 22:37:47
Quick question. I’ve been off playing all day at Origins and I’m not sure what stuff f Pls have gotten pictures of. I saw one for the new TW cover, but have there been any of the new t-shirts or dice that I think are new. Also, I saw a small mousepad with a timber wolf on it that I don’t remember. I have pics of the mouse pad and I can get one of the T-shirts and some of the dice if there haven’t been any. I don’t think the hells horses, taurian, or nova cat aluminum dice have been released before, but I could be wrong. Not sure if any other dice were new, but there were a bunch!

I don't believe we have seen those ones in aluminum before. Nobody has posted photos of shirts or dice yet, or mouse pads.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Dak on 15 June 2018, 23:13:45
There are two new t-shirts, one has the Beginner Box Griffin artwork in full color, and there is another 'Athletic Department' shirt for the Capella War College (with a Thunderbolt on the back!) Sorry, no pictures.

Dak
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 16 June 2018, 00:16:50
Ok, let’s see what I can do. Apologies in advance, as I have had a non-trivial number of old fashioned’s tonight. Also, the black shirt has nothing on the back.

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And a couple from IWM since I have no idea of they have pics up on their site or not!
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Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 16 June 2018, 00:23:01
Sorry, I didn’t buy the taurian dice. They are sort of metallic bronze with the taurian concordat logo in a dark silver. I found them pretty hard to read so I passed on them. There are also some pretty cool shadowrun aluminum dice that come in their own milled aluminum stick-container with a magnetic top, available in multiple colors. They are not BT, but I bought some as souvenirs for my kids. I can show those in purple if anyone wants to see them. The main difference is that they have sharp corners rather than rounded, compared to the BT aluminum dice, and th cool carrying case.

Also, Cubby, are you at Origins? If so, I’d like to say hi. My name is Bret and I’ll likely be at the alpha strike main events or the grinder tables most of Saturday. If you are here, come by and say Hi! I’ve got the ridiculous mutton chops and soul patch.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 16 June 2018, 08:46:44
Like the new shirt. Hope I can get one that isn't at a convention .
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tyler Jorgensson on 16 June 2018, 10:16:28
I need to throw money at people for dice sets (that aren't the five main Houses)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: jimdigris on 16 June 2018, 11:30:59
New dice sets are normally released at Gencon, so don't expect anything new yet.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 16 June 2018, 20:53:36
Ok, so this isn’t exactly new release news...but it kinda is. I played the Alpha Strike feature event today at Origns (which, by the way, was a total blast) and it was recreating a soon-to-be-canon event: The Robinson’s Rangers defending New Avalon from the Wolf’s Dragoon’s! I believe it was Gamma regiment of the dragoon’s we were fighting. As the Rangers, we got our butts kicked repeatedly by the Dragoon’s, and our remnants had to retreat off planet. Apparently, that is likely (but not for sure) going to match what actually happens. So, the outcome could be tweaked, but still...New Avalon is in trouble!

Also, I can confirm that in the Alpha Strike campaign at GenCon, Malvina Hazen will be taking the field...and you can shoot at her. No word yet on whether you can still shoot at her, even if you are also a Falcon. I mean, Ristars have been known to demand trials at inadvisable times, and she DOES seem like she would be an awful boss!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 17 June 2018, 14:27:41
Spoke to Randall on Friday about Combat Manuals. They didn't sell well enough, and they're dead.

Saw prototypes of new Boxed Sets and they are awesome. The cardboard standees have the 'Mechs, and leftover room was used for some hexpack-style terrain modifier tokens. Really slick, but I can't remember if they're in the Beginner Box or just the GoAC box.

The Beginner Box isn't going to be a two part box like we've been used to where you lift the lid off. They're going to be side opening sleeve type like the Shadowrun boxes.

According to Brent, the reason we haven't seen any new product is that they're focusing the entire stable of BT authors/developers on moving the storyline forward via fiction. This means that they've got to focus on that and even the smaller products would be a distraction from that effort. There should be new fiction, in Barnes and Noble at least, sometime next year.

That's everything I remember (It was two days ago and I'm tired).
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 17 June 2018, 14:51:56
Spoke to Randall on Friday about Combat Manuals. They didn't sell well enough, and they're dead.

That's very sad, as those are imo the best products CGL has ever published.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 17 June 2018, 14:56:43
Got a few more pics from Origins before I left:

The proofs of the new box sets were there. I know we have seen pictures of the art, but these were real...and I could actually touch them! Didn't get pics of all the contents (booth was still kind of busy), but Brent was kind enough to grab a pic of me with them so I could pretend I had bought them and freak out a couple of my friends:

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I also got pics of the new maps for both the World Wide Event this year, and the ones for the new box sets. The actual maps will be front-and-back, but they were shown here with both sides printed on one big sheet of paper.

World wide event:
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New box set maps:
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Also, I tried to set up an album with all my Origins pics, but I'm not sure if it is shared right. You can try this link and see if it shows you everything with links to the enormous full-size pictures:

https://1drv.ms/a/s!ApDHaN8p702Hgj-9hcYWjEWPj_c2
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Azakael on 17 June 2018, 14:59:44
Nice maps. Little disappointed that the new box set isn't going to have the classic Battletech map. But I think I'd rather have all new maps.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 17 June 2018, 15:12:58
Nice maps. Little disappointed that the new box set isn't going to have the classic Battletech map. But I think I'd rather have all new maps.

Having like, 15* of those maps already, I'm OK with something new

*15 is an exaggeration, but only a minor one.  I've got the basic BT map at least 8 times.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 17 June 2018, 15:24:05
Nice
Maybe down the road they'll do it in a map pack.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 17 June 2018, 15:46:42
Having like, 15* of those maps already, I'm OK with something new

*15 is an exaggeration, but only a minor one.  I've got the basic BT map at least 8 times.

I suspect I have 20 or 25 of them.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 17 June 2018, 16:24:36
Also, Cubby, are you at Origins? If so, I’d like to say hi. My name is Bret and I’ll likely be at the alpha strike main events or the grinder tables most of Saturday. If you are here, come by and say Hi! I’ve got the ridiculous mutton chops and soul patch.

Ah, sorry I couldn't make it out. Kiddo no. 2 arrived early Tuesday morning, so Origins was a no-go for me obviously. I hope to be there next year, definitely try to connect with me! Always good to meet a forum regular.

The cardboard standees have the 'Mechs, and leftover room was used for some hexpack-style terrain modifier tokens. Really slick, but I can't remember if they're in the Beginner Box or just the GoAC box.

Punch-out Mechs are in both. Terrain, I'm not personally sure about. I'll check.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Dak on 17 June 2018, 16:59:18
Punch out ‘Mechs and terrain come in both boxes. The terrain is limited in the Beginner Box since the rules only use woods, but several hexes are blanks intended to cover up existing terrain on the maps themselves (to mix things up). The AGoAC box has a bunch of different stuff (levels, woods, water).

Dak
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 17 June 2018, 18:12:58
Will those WWE maps be available for sale anywhere? In physical format, naturally.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mikecj on 17 June 2018, 18:37:18
Beautiful work on those maps!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 17 June 2018, 20:20:44
Will those WWE maps be available for sale anywhere? In physical format, naturally.

No. At least that is not the plan. I spoke with Brent about the maps this morning before I drove home. He said Mary had pushed to get some special maps just for the world wide event, and these were the result. They are not producing them in the numbers they would for a general release, just enough to supply the demo team.

However, Brent did mention that he wants to get the image files for the new maps available as free downloads so people can print them on their own if they want. I didn’t think to ask if that meant just the ones in the new box sets or also the world wide event, or something else. Personally, I think that sounds like a cool idea, and I’m guessing we will have more details at GenCon.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 17 June 2018, 20:37:57
Incredibly cool map and not available for sale. ****** it!

Printing it by myself is not an option. Just not practical, nor would it look good.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 17 June 2018, 20:50:24
So very awesome. Can't wait for the box sets.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 17 June 2018, 21:05:45
Incredibly cool map and not available for sale. ****** it!

Printing it by myself is not an option. Just not practical, nor would it look good.

Office Depot/UPS Store plotter? Rates are usually not too over-the-top.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 17 June 2018, 21:10:53
Office Depot/UPS Store plotter? Rates are usually not too over-the-top.
I don't think we have printing services here. If there are, i have no idea about the rates but i suspect high, Finland isn't a cheap country.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SteelRaven on 17 June 2018, 21:15:13
Print shop prices very from shop to shop. If cost trumps quality, you can always set your home printer to poster mode or recreate the map using Hex Pack or other counters.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 17 June 2018, 21:23:34
I got only black and white printer (color is not worth it for home printing ever in my experience). If black and white maps were OK to me, i'd just draw them myself. Got one of those playmats with hex grid.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: The_Livewire on 17 June 2018, 21:48:16
Just getting home and going to bed soonish.  Will have some of my own thoughts on my last Origins elsewhere, but let me say:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 17 June 2018, 23:25:10
I got only black and white printer (color is not worth it for home printing ever in my experience). If black and white maps were OK to me, i'd just draw them myself. Got one of those playmats with hex grid.

Catalyst is working on creating new sets of map sheets that WILL be actual purchasable products. Its just the world wide event maps that aren’t planned to be purchasable. There are other maps, beyond what is planned to be in the boxed sets, they they are working on as well. They just weren’t previewing that stuff at Origins. So, you will be able to buy maps, just not necessarily those four. That make you feel any better?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: GreyWolfActual on 17 June 2018, 23:31:47
Its just the world wide event maps that aren’t planned to be purchasable.
Although I had input in what I was looking for with the maps, the maps were not created by me. So while I have ideas about what I would like to do with the maps after the conclusion of the WWE I can't say what will happen. Those maps are CGL's not the CDT's.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Empyrus on 18 June 2018, 00:07:41
Catalyst is working on creating new sets of map sheets that WILL be actual purchasable products. Its just the world wide event maps that aren’t planned to be purchasable. There are other maps, beyond what is planned to be in the boxed sets, they they are working on as well. They just weren’t previewing that stuff at Origins. So, you will be able to buy maps, just not necessarily those four. That make you feel any better?
Not really. Yeah, we knew there are gonna be new maps, or at least that has been said but until i see them... well, i'm not gonna get interested or hyped about things that may be eventually.

Those four maps form such a nice looking battlefield as they are. Nice variable terrain, looks like something that might be an actual place. Generic maps lack such... connectedness, theme.
The new box set maps are looking good but man, the event maps look even better, that's the worst thing here.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SteelRaven on 18 June 2018, 01:12:17
I get the maps being a event exclusive; give you a little something special for hosting the event and makes the event it self a little more special.

If I actually had my stuff together, I would see this as a great time to sign up to be a Demo Agent (only have 4 unpainted lance packs and a couple of proxies, wouldn't be the best rep of the game as is)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 June 2018, 01:18:42
Thought the map packs were a poorly selling item?  Does this indicate a change in release philosophy?  I mean . . . I really want some of the variants hinted at in 3145 and I know there are record sheets missing from releases before that product.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 18 June 2018, 03:59:10
  • Met Brent Evans, chatted for a bit, feel that the line is in enthusiastic hands.

I don't care about enthusiasm, only results. Right now, I'm here to support folks like Cubby, Adrian Gideon, Kat, and the other people I see actually working. Until Brent produces some results, I am getting really tired of his hype.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: FredrikR on 18 June 2018, 07:48:19
Maps look great, very clear elevation levels.    :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 18 June 2018, 07:57:49
According to Brent, the reason we haven't seen any new product is that they're focusing the entire stable of BT authors/developers on moving the storyline forward via fiction. This means that they've got to focus on that and even the smaller products would be a distraction from that effort. There should be new fiction, in Barnes and Noble at least, sometime next year.
I missed that comment earlier...thanks for relaying this to us, mbear. 

I'm making Upcoming Product speculation.  Please don't pouncing me for thinking this out.
 
From what has been said so far, I do hope CGL clears up when what is being launched. 
What it sounds like...essentially most likely nothing really moving product wise until the storyline moves.

So if the Shatter Fortress manages to come out this year. We won't see anything until it does come out?
I'm not assuming that if we don't see novels, we wont see anything.  Because another year of waiting going break people.

Small products may all on hold, including TROs, XTROs, etc.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Frabby on 18 June 2018, 09:11:24
However, Brent did mention that he wants to get the image files for the new maps available as free downloads so people can print them on their own if they want. I didn’t think to ask if that meant just the ones in the new box sets or also the world wide event, or something else. Personally, I think that sounds like a cool idea, and I’m guessing we will have more details at GenCon.
I find myself weirdly intrigued by those maps, too. Personally, I am not much into fancy environments and like wilderness environment best (kudos to the graphic artist), and they look like good playing fields (kudos to the map designer). And if CGL will offer them for free download - way to go CGL!
:thumbsup:
Thought the map packs were a poorly selling item?  Does this indicate a change in release philosophy?  I mean . . . I really want some of the variants hinted at in 3145 and I know there are record sheets missing from releases before that product.
Huh? From what I understood, the first two map packs sold very well, and the third had quality issues on the printing side of things. The line then ended because CGL wouldn't be able to get the same product quality out for the same price.
Maybe I got that wrong. No insider knowledge here whatsoever.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Geont on 18 June 2018, 10:31:21
I wouldn't mind to pay for these WWE maps after end of the event. We don't have currently big enough community to successfully run these events but in future I would like to use these maps as they are something very nice and uncommon. PDF version like current MapPacks would be nice.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 June 2018, 10:32:18
Pretty sure that was the comments about the map packs.  I do not quote remember, I know I bought the set that had a base but I have not really used it.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tyler Jorgensson on 18 June 2018, 11:22:07
Ah, sorry I couldn't make it out. Kiddo no. 2 arrived early Tuesday morning, so Origins was a no-go for me obviously. I hope to be there next year, definitely try to connect with me! Always good to meet a forum regular.

Punch-out Mechs are in both. Terrain, I'm not personally sure about. I'll check.

Nobody going to mention a congrats ?!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kos on 18 June 2018, 12:40:19
Wha! I love the map packs! I have all three (and two hard-backed ones from the box set), and have got a lot of use out of them.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: The_Livewire on 18 June 2018, 12:42:59
Ah, sorry I couldn't make it out. Kiddo no. 2 arrived early Tuesday morning, so Origins was a no-go for me obviously. I hope to be there next year, definitely try to connect with me! Always good to meet a forum regular.


I missed this on the first read through... congratulations!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 18 June 2018, 19:23:30
I glossed over that as well! Congrats Cubby! Can’t think of a better reason to skip a convention.

Couple other random replies:

Brent mentioned in passing that the previous map packs made money. No word if they sold a ton, but what they sold made money. However, they were made by three different printers and quality control wasn’t what they wanted.

The proofs for the two new boxed sets were not empty. They had punch out mechs, punch out terrain, and new rule books inside, I just didn’t have time to photo everything. They are way further along than the mock-up boxes we saw at GenCon last year.

Priority #2 for GenCon appears to be shattered fortress. Beyond that, not sure what will make the cut. The revised Alpha Strike rulebook is possible, but not guaranteed. Same with new map packs and new fiction.

From what I saw, the box sets should be at GenCon. Now, they may be a smaller shipment that gets air-mailed over before the main container gets over here by boat, but I believe they will be ready in August.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: worktroll on 18 June 2018, 20:14:42
Now, they may be a smaller shipment that gets air-mailed over before the main container gets over here by boat, but I believe they will be ready in August.

That's almost a traditional thing! (Remembers Leviathans)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 18 June 2018, 21:10:42
Priority #2 for GenCon appears to be shattered fortress. Beyond that, not sure what will make the cut. The revised Alpha Strike rulebook is possible, but not guaranteed. Same with new map packs and new fiction.

TW reprint
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Scotty on 18 June 2018, 23:19:01
TW reprint

Was available at Origins, and presumably doesn't bear mentioning as a new release for GenCon. :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: PreacherPatriot1776 on 18 June 2018, 23:20:38
Ah, sorry I couldn't make it out. Kiddo no. 2 arrived early Tuesday morning, so Origins was a no-go for me obviously. I hope to be there next year, definitely try to connect with me! Always good to meet a forum regular.

Punch-out Mechs are in both. Terrain, I'm not personally sure about. I'll check.

Congrats on your number 2 kiddo! Just to warn you that they grow up fast and soon they will be 22 and married.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 18 June 2018, 23:50:59
Was available at Origins, and presumably doesn't bear mentioning as a new release for GenCon. :)

you'd think at this point in my life i could read at an elementary school level

but you'd be wrong
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kitsune413 on 19 June 2018, 07:07:18
Did you ask about what that meant for Ilclan? I'd like to see it at Gencon rather than waiting another year for it...

Not that I'll be at Gencon....
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 19 June 2018, 07:23:21
you'd think at this point in my life i could read at an elementary school level

but you'd be wrong

My kindergarten class was divided into rabbits and turtles, so I empathize. ;)

Cubby, congratulations on the new...cub? (This is starting to feel recursive. "It's cubs all the way down.")
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 19 June 2018, 07:59:55
Cubby, congratulations on the new...cub? (This is starting to feel recursive. "It's cubs all the way down.")

Cub, Cubby, Cubbbyy. Easy enough, even for a "turtle." :D

(And belated congratulations from me as well.)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: wantec on 19 June 2018, 09:15:49
That's almost a traditional thing! (Remembers Leviathans)
May they take to the air again some day
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: JadeHellbringer on 19 June 2018, 09:19:45
May they take to the air again some day

Seconded. Neat game concept, fun system... what a waste.  :-\
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 19 June 2018, 10:14:58
Did you ask about what that meant for Ilclan? I'd like to see it at Gencon rather than waiting another year for it...

Not that I'll be at Gencon....

Priority #2 for GenCon appears to be shattered fortress.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 19 June 2018, 12:54:59
Huh? From what I understood, the first two map packs sold very well, and the third had quality issues on the printing side of things. The line then ended because CGL wouldn't be able to get the same product quality out for the same price.
Maybe I got that wrong. No insider knowledge here whatsoever.

The HexPack products predate my current level of involvement, but my understanding is that they were a victim of that concept of sales velocity. They may have "sold well," but were expensive to produce and sold too slowly to recoup that cost effectively.

Brent mentioned in passing that the previous map packs made money. No word if they sold a ton, but what they sold made money.

The two concepts aren't mutually exclusive, which is where the confusion usually happens. Things can gross more money than they cost to produce, but move slowly enough to hamper further production, for a net effect of performing poorly. Printing QC, I can't say.

That's almost a traditional thing! (Remembers Leviathans)

As is the annual rush to get things ready for the con. IMHO, makes it very hard to properly tease and hype and market things. The rush means they just sort of <blorp> into existence.

Cub, Cubby, Cubbbyy. Easy enough, even for a "turtle." :D

(And belated congratulations from me as well.)

Hm...not bad. Feels a little Joruus C'Boath, but I can work with it. (In reality, "Cubby" was my nickname at the first newspaper I worked for, as in, "junior cub reporter.")

Thanks, everyone, for the congrats! It's been a wild week since Lia Catherine Cahall arrived on Tues 6/12, 7 lb 13 oz, 21 inches, healthy along with her mom.

To stay on topic, I'm glad to say that I got about a chapter and a half of "Shattered Fortress" edited in her delivery room, and a little more since, so I'm on pace. I tried to recruit her as my Research Assistant, but she fell asleep. Typical slacker baby.

(https://preview.ibb.co/jsXWUd/IMG_0013.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dTT5pd)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: JadeHellbringer on 19 June 2018, 12:58:31
*looks on Google for 'child labor laws'*

Congrats!  :P
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sharpnel on 19 June 2018, 12:59:23
A baby gitl. How cute she is. So, she is now a Cubbe.tte
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 19 June 2018, 13:06:19
*looks on Google for 'child labor laws'*

"Look, I. Don't. Care if you're two days old. You know who cares? Tara Campbell, because she's waiting for you to confirm that the Highlanders were a battalion according to FM3145. Make it happen!"
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Gaiiten on 19 June 2018, 13:09:32
What a cute angel .....
Congratulation!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Mindwiper on 19 June 2018, 13:32:50
The best move to bring the Battletech Miniature game back into the minds of people and embrace new players is to wait out until the hype of the computer game has passed by.
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Until then: 80's style garbage sale Rulebook covers will work 'cause there is this "Ready Player One" hype.
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Oh wait....
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Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 19 June 2018, 13:37:42
Guess that confirms no ilClan books for GenCon.  Oh well, box sets.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: SteelRaven on 19 June 2018, 13:43:25
Until then: 80's style garbage sale

... harsh
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 19 June 2018, 13:43:30
Guess that confirms no ilClan books for GenCon.  Oh well, box sets.

No, it doesn't.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Wrangler on 19 June 2018, 16:13:26
Congratulate on your new child, Cubby.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: jimdigris on 19 June 2018, 16:16:39
Cubby, she's a cutie! ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kitsune413 on 19 June 2018, 19:01:38
That's an adorable kid Cubby. Congratulations!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 19 June 2018, 19:29:28
Congrat on the kid!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Charlie 6 on 19 June 2018, 19:50:00
Seconded. Neat game concept, fun system... what a waste.  :-\
Yup, that game would be great for the table or computer.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 20 June 2018, 12:19:34
Cubby, she's a cutie! ;)

I think I hear a new unit name: Cubby's Cute Cubbettes!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: jimdigris on 20 June 2018, 16:44:47
I think I hear a new unit name: Cubby's Cute Cubbettes!
I second the motion. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Drewbacca on 20 June 2018, 16:59:45
I second the motion. :thumbsup:
I think I hear a new unit name: Cubby's Cute Cubbettes!
I agree! Congrats, Cubby and welcome to the world little Cubby.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 21 June 2018, 07:14:14
To stay on topic, I'm glad to say that I got about a chapter and a half of "Shattered Fortress" edited in her delivery room, and a little more since, so I'm on pace. I tried to recruit her as my Research Assistant, but she fell asleep. Typical slacker baby.

Maybe she was just hit by "new player syndrome" when she saw the number of rulebooks. ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 21 June 2018, 10:35:08
So with the legal stuff settled, does that mean the marauder, warhammer, wasp and Phoenix hawk are going to get added back?

Inquiring minds and such :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 21 June 2018, 10:37:53
So with the legal stuff settled, does that mean the marauder, warhammer, wasp and Phoenix hawk are going to get added back?

Inquiring minds and such :)

While it looks very good, I think it is still a tad early do declare the legal stuff over.  Judge hasn't signed off, etc.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 21 June 2018, 11:53:49
Bring on the TRO Succession Wars: Update PDF!

Gimme a PDF with all the new Warhammer, Marauder, etc art!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: PyreLight on 21 June 2018, 11:59:52
Ok, let’s see what I can do. Apologies in advance, as I have had a non-trivial number of old fashioned’s tonight. Also, the black shirt has nothing on the back.

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And a couple from IWM since I have no idea of they have pics up on their site or not!
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Please tell me that I can buy these shirts online and have it shipped to Europe for whatever price is necessary

Also, the alpha strike image: Is that a mousepad?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sellsword on 21 June 2018, 12:04:02
Bring on the TRO Succession Wars: Update PDF!

Gimme a PDF with all the new Warhammer, Marauder, etc art!

Actually I would like a retrospective TRO going from the Primitives to the nuseen to the Reseen Phoenix, Reseen 3085 versions and then onto versions of them to the time jump.  All new art for everything of course.  And I'd like an out of universe introduction giving an explanation of the significance of these units.

Seems perfect if you want to get old and new customers buying the same product
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Dunia on 21 June 2018, 12:12:52
Will ATOW companion be reprinted? ^-^
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: MarauderD on 21 June 2018, 12:26:06
Bring on the TRO Succession Wars: Update PDF!

Gimme a PDF with all the new Warhammer, Marauder, etc art!

1000 times this. I'll offer my services for free to CGL to help format and lay out Shim's art for the new pages.

Speaking of which, when Zilly signs this bad boy, which can't come soon enough, can we haz new art for Crusader, Ostsol, and Ostroc plz?

Hurrah, Hurrah, Hurrah!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 21 June 2018, 12:40:40
Hopefully the rifleman goes back on the Alpha Strike commander’s edition :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sharpnel on 21 June 2018, 13:48:50
Prsonally, I never want to see the Unseen in any future BT product, be it done by CGL, PGI or HBS. Those images need to and must be consigned to the past. Lessons learned and all that. We have the New Classics, th Primitives (where applicable) and the Project Phoenix renditons. Do we really need to see the Unsen ever agains out of our own respective memories?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 21 June 2018, 14:03:30
Please tell me that I can buy these shirts online and have it shipped to Europe for whatever price is necessary

Also, the alpha strike image: Is that a mousepad?

1) Sorry, shirts are typically sold only at the conventions. If that has changed, I haven't heard about it. However, that doesn't mean you couldn't convince a kind-hearted fan going to GenCon to pick one or two up for you and ship them over.

2) Yes, that was a mousepad.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: MarauderD on 21 June 2018, 14:11:15
Prsonally, I never want to see the Unseen in any future BT product, be it done by CGL, PGI or HBS. Those images need to and must be consigned to the past. Lessons learned and all that. We have the New Classics, th Primitives (where applicable) and the Project Phoenix renditons. Do we really need to see the Unsen ever agains out of our own respective memories?

Agreed, I want Shimmering Swords new art everywhere they can put it: TRO Succession Wars, MasterUnitList, in PGI's next MWO mech if possible, and over on HBS' Battletech game if possible. I don't want the old art. Let it die.

Long live Battletech!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Pat Payne on 21 June 2018, 14:41:45
Agreed, I want Shimmering Swords new art everywhere they can put it: TRO Succession Wars, MasterUnitList, in PGI's next MWO mech if possible, and over on HBS' Battletech game if possible. I don't want the old art. Let it die.

Long live Battletech!

Yes. This so very much. The old unseen art was good for as far as it went, but as far as Battletech is concerned, Anthony Scroggins' art is by far superior for the context of the game. As soon as the first few were released, the "retcon" swich in my brain was hit, and these are what the iconic 'mechs now ALWAYS looked like to me :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 21 June 2018, 16:35:18
Prsonally, I never want to see the Unseen in any future BT product, be it done by CGL, PGI or HBS. Those images need to and must be consigned to the past. Lessons learned and all that. We have the New Classics, th Primitives (where applicable) and the Project Phoenix renditons. Do we really need to see the Unsen ever agains out of our own respective memories?

Who mentioned bringing back the Unseen? Everyone is talking about the new art. :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: PyreLight on 21 June 2018, 16:45:13
1) Sorry, shirts are typically sold only at the conventions. If that has changed, I haven't heard about it. However, that doesn't mean you couldn't convince a kind-hearted fan going to GenCon to pick one or two up for you and ship them over.

2) Yes, that was a mousepad.

All right thanks for clearing that up for me.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: wolfspider on 21 June 2018, 16:48:56
I know that Lance packs are a taboo subject but who could get behind the following lance packs?
Recon Lance: Phoenix Hawk, Valkyrie, Stinger Wasp
Pursuit Lance: Ostsol, Ostroc, Ostscout Scorpion
Fire Lance: Longbow, Archer, Crusader, Rifleman
Assault Lance: Marauder II, Goliath, Marauder, Warhammer, 
This with the new box sets I think would sale and you would have all the mechs in plastic! Then Iron Wind Metals could offer variants on the base designs.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 21 June 2018, 16:56:39
I know that Lance packs are a taboo subject but who could get behind the following lance packs?

They're not a taboo subject at all. Discuss away!

Quote
Recon Lance: Phoenix Hawk, Valkyrie, Stinger Wasp
Pursuit Lance: Ostsol, Ostroc, Ostscout Scorpion
Fire Lance: Longbow, Archer, Crusader, Rifleman
Assault Lance: Marauder II, Goliath, Marauder, Warhammer, 
This with the new box sets I think would sale and you would have all the mechs in plastic! Then Iron Wind Metals could offer variants on the base designs.

I like that line-up.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: GreyWolfActual on 21 June 2018, 16:56:48
This with the new box sets I think would sale and you would have all the mechs in plastic!
It won't happen. There is a 0% chance that Catalyst will produce more lance packs.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: wolfspider on 21 June 2018, 17:05:38
It won't happen. There is a 0% chance that Catalyst will produce more lance packs.
Why I understand where you are coming from, never say never  ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 21 June 2018, 17:50:08
It won't happen. There is a 0% chance that Catalyst will produce more lance packs.

O?  The other color Beemers have not been that definitive . . .


But I think the Succession Wars Expansion Pack to the GoAC box is a better route.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 21 June 2018, 17:52:08
O?  The other color Beemers have not been that definitive . . .

As of right now, GreyWolfActual is correct. But never say never.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 21 June 2018, 17:52:36
It won't happen. There is a 0% chance that Catalyst will produce more lance packs.

I’m concerned people will read this, but hear “CGL will never do plastic Mechs again ever.”

It’s unlikely these Lance Packs will be reprinted exactly as they are.

There are certainly hopes of producing more plastic minis in the future, which depends in part on how well the new box sets do.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 21 June 2018, 17:57:05
There are certainly hopes of producing more plastic minis in the future, which depends in part on how well the new box sets do.

BUY, YOU FOOLS
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: abou on 21 June 2018, 18:01:19

There are certainly hopes of producing more plastic minis in the future, which depends in part on how well the new box sets do.
I am hoping for a new "PlasTech" set for the remaining Classics. I vastly prefer metal; however, you take what you can get.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 21 June 2018, 18:02:26
This is correct.

I’m concerned people will read this, but hear “CGL will never do plastic Mechs again ever.”

It’s unlikely these Lance Packs will be reprinted exactly as they are.

There are certainly hopes of producing more plastic minis in the future, which depends in part on how well the new box sets do.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Pat Payne on 21 June 2018, 18:06:02
BUY, YOU FOOLS

Once they have product, I've got lucre... I fear there will be a blossoming of my military budget  >:D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 21 June 2018, 18:07:07
I am hoping for a new "PlasTech" set for the remaining Classics. I vastly prefer metal; however, you take what you can get.

I just can't justify buying more metal miniatures for a long while, but I'll take whatever plastics come my way.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 21 June 2018, 18:19:21
With the end of the lawsuit in sight I would not be surprised to see either lance packs or a reinforcement set using the Macross derived unseen. Those have always been the most iconic mechs in the franchise and would probably sell better than the new box sets.

Frankly though I would rather see CGL willing to sell individual plastic mechs as well as larger lance packs or company sized boxes. If they have the molds they aren't limited as to what they do with them, or at least they shouldn't be. If they are.. well, that is just their own fault for picking the wrong company to work with.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 21 June 2018, 18:19:54
I know that Lance packs are a taboo subject but who could get behind the following lance packs?
Recon Lance: Phoenix Hawk, Valkyrie, Stinger Wasp
Pursuit Lance: Ostsol, Ostroc, Ostscout Scorpion
Fire Lance: Longbow, Archer, Crusader, Rifleman
Assault Lance: Marauder II, Goliath, Marauder, Warhammer, 
This with the new box sets I think would sale and you would have all the mechs in plastic! Then Iron Wind Metals could offer variants on the base designs.

Needs more Battlemaster.   :P
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Pat Payne on 21 June 2018, 18:23:17
With the end of the lawsuit in sight I would not be surprised to see either lance packs or a reinforcement set using the Macross derived unseen. Those have always been the most iconic mechs in the franchise and would probably sell better than the new box sets.

Frankly though I would rather see CGL willing to sell individual plastic mechs as well as larger lance packs or company sized boxes. If they have the molds they aren't limited as to what they do with them, or at least they shouldn't be. If they are.. well, that is just their own fault for picking the wrong company to work with.

If they can do it while still doing right by IWM, why can't they do something like what Wizkids is doing with their Pathfinder and D&D minis (essentially selling two unpainted-but-primed plastic minis in a blister for $5) or what Reaper does with their Bones (but with a better, paint-tolerant plastic than Bones, please!), as long as it makes financial sense?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 21 June 2018, 18:27:40
Have you all seen Steve Jackson Games's new Ogre miniatures? That's the quality (and price point) I want to see. If any of the Catalyst High Poombas want, I can even forward the information on the folks doing the manufacturing for SJ Games.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 21 June 2018, 18:32:16
If they can do it while still doing right by IWM, why can't they do something like what Wizkids is doing with their Pathfinder and D&D minis (essentially selling two unpainted-but-primed plastic minis in a blister for $5) or what Reaper does with their Bones (but with a better, paint-tolerant plastic than Bones, please!), as long as it makes financial sense?

Wizkids can afford to build up a huge stock of a wide variety of miniatures on the assumption that they'll sell fast enough to make a profit. Catalyst doesn't have the same customer base.

(also, mech miniatures are significantly bigger, so you wouldn't get two in a blister for five dollars).

As for bones but with better plastic? Who can say the better plastics are still affordable at the same price?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 21 June 2018, 18:46:42
Who can say the better plastics are still affordable at the same price?

*raises hand* I literally just mentioned Steve Jackson's new plastic miniatures. They're a hard PVC that holds super-fine detail. Eyeballing the sprues makes me think that, with a bit of clever mold design, we could get a company of 'Mechs for around $40.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 21 June 2018, 19:11:45
When it comes to injection molding there are two things to consider. Price of the mold and price of the actual part. The price of the mold can be very expensive while cost per part is VERY low. It should be very easy for CGL to reuse the mold(s) they have to create lance packs with out increasing the cost of said lance packs or needing to invest in new molds.

If I were handling this for CGL I would have wanted to either create several cheap molds that could be mixed and match to a certain product. The overall final price would be higher but would allow for greater flexibility in future product decisions.

While this line of discussion is nice, it is straying from the main topic of the thread so I will leave it at this :P
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Fear Factory on 21 June 2018, 19:15:44
I want some OSTs.  I need them.  For too long, I have been trying to get an Ostroc without paying too much.  NOW IS THE TIME.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tyler Jorgensson on 21 June 2018, 19:31:57
Need some Plastic Clan Mechs.... just saying
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Ruger on 21 June 2018, 19:52:48
I know that Lance packs are a taboo subject but who could get behind the following lance packs?
Recon Lance: Phoenix Hawk, Valkyrie, Stinger Wasp
Pursuit Lance: Ostsol, Ostroc, Ostscout Scorpion

Personally, I would change the positions of the Valkyrie and the Ostscout...

Quote
Fire Lance: Longbow, Archer, Crusader, Rifleman
Assault Lance: Marauder II, Goliath, Marauder, Warhammer, 
This with the new box sets I think would sale and you would have all the mechs in plastic! Then Iron Wind Metals could offer variants on the base designs.

While I love me some Marauder II, I think that Assault lance would be better with a BattleMaster instead...

Ruger
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 21 June 2018, 19:56:58
While I love me some Marauder II, I think that Assault lance would be better with a BattleMaster instead...

No, drop the Goliath for the BLR.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 21 June 2018, 20:36:41
Have you all seen Steve Jackson Games's new Ogre miniatures? That's the quality (and price point) I want to see. If any of the Catalyst High Poombas want, I can even forward the information on the folks doing the manufacturing for SJ Games.
Do.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: The Eagle on 21 June 2018, 20:44:12
BUY, YOU FOOLS

I LOL'd, and that's a rare thing.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: abou on 21 June 2018, 20:53:11
I just can't justify buying more metal miniatures for a long while, but I'll take whatever plastics come my way.
Understandable, especially if you have been in the hobby as long as I suspect you have. I just find metal a better material to work with. Heck, I still buy vinyl records over CDs when I can. But I also understand that I am in the minority. I buy a miniature to paint it as much as to use it on the table.

I never bought the lance packs simply because I didn't need them. I have multiples of many of those 'mechs already. But in this case if we get the other Classics in an expansion set, sign me up. And I imagine that is a logical step CGL had roughly planned if the lawsuit went their way.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 21 June 2018, 20:59:21
No, drop the Goliath for the BLR.

Drop the Marauder for the Battlemaster, make a Shadowhawk, Wolverine, Griffin, Marauder Battle Lance Pack
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 21 June 2018, 21:01:35
The good thing about plastic, is if you sell them unassembled with variant parts; you could make a shadow hawk 2K and 2h I’m the same blister, for example.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 21 June 2018, 21:01:44
Do.

Done.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: wolfspider on 21 June 2018, 23:03:32
Well the reason I went w the selections that I did was because that would give us back the rest of classics but if lance packs are not in the cards how about reinforcements box set with the remaining classics. Maybe the fabled alpha strike box set  ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Scotty on 21 June 2018, 23:44:46
The Game of Armored Combat (8 'mech) box set includes Alpha Strike materials, if what I heard at Origins was correct. ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 22 June 2018, 06:45:54
Looks like a nice boxed set.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Fat Guy on 22 June 2018, 10:50:20
The Game of Armored Combat (8 'mech) box set includes Alpha Strike materials, if what I heard at Origins was correct. ;)

Basically the standard double sided Alpha Strike cards of the 8 'Mechs.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kos on 22 June 2018, 11:56:43
I think if the new box set does well, it's be cool to do another expansion box for 4th Succession War: Some new classic mechs, mapsheets, markers and a scenario/background booklet. Provided they've figured out how to make the new box sets economically viable, then expansions should be doable. Also, as an expansion to the box set, sales of one could drive the other. Just a cool idea in my opinion.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: MarauderD on 22 June 2018, 12:09:45
I keep hearing about the box sets, and would love to buy the starter set for my brother-in-law.

Without getting people angry *puts on tin foil hat* we don't have the street dates for these box sets yet, correct?

Cheers,

Mad
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 22 June 2018, 12:15:49
Correct
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 22 June 2018, 12:16:05
The unofficial hope is GenCon to, if following past examples, hit your FLGS a month or three later- Christmas presents?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: MarauderD on 22 June 2018, 12:37:39
The unofficial hope is GenCon to, if following past examples, hit your FLGS a month or three later- Christmas presents?

Funny enough, that was my plan for his Xmas present. That way we can have drinks and fun before we put all the kids toys together for the big full family reveal on Xmas morning.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 22 June 2018, 13:39:38
Done.
i didn’t receive anything.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: worktroll on 22 June 2018, 15:29:31
The good thing about plastic, is if you sell them unassembled with variant parts; you could make a shadow hawk 2K and 2h I’m the same blister, for example.

In most circumstances, it's more cost-efficient to make the plastics single-piece. But it's terrifyingly easy to modify plastics well. Much easier than doing significant mods on metals.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: JadeHellbringer on 22 June 2018, 16:12:01
In most circumstances, it's more cost-efficient to make the plastics single-piece. But it's terrifyingly easy to modify plastics well. Much easier than doing significant mods on metals.

And if ever one could be considered the voice of experience on modding Battletech miniatures, it's the elder statesman of Beemers here.  :bow:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 22 June 2018, 16:34:01
i didn’t receive anything.

Gah. And it isn't showing in my sent items. How bizarre. I'll resend.

Edit: Re-sent.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 22 June 2018, 19:54:18
From what I remember. The Plastic ones were being made in China and the production was substandard and shipping was a problem.
If they could get around that Plastic Minis would be nice.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Scotty on 22 June 2018, 20:15:46
Plastic minis are cool.  Multi-part plastic minis are really cool, because being able to make multiple different looking models without having to put paint on them or dismember them to tell them apart is great.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 22 June 2018, 22:10:18
From what I remember. The Plastic ones were being made in China and the production was substandard and shipping was a problem.
If they could get around that Plastic Minis would be nice.

Huh?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Maingunnery on 23 June 2018, 03:53:10
Plastic minis are cool.  Multi-part plastic minis are really cool, because being able to make multiple different looking models without having to put paint on them or dismember them to tell them apart is great.
Lately I have been running into time issues with assembling miniatures, getting good looking one-piece minis would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: marauder648 on 23 June 2018, 04:10:57
They should now release a redone 3025 book with the Nuseen in it. All of them. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 23 June 2018, 21:22:06
Lately I have been running into time issues with assembling miniatures, getting good looking one-piece minis would be greatly appreciated.

There are advantages to both; single pose/piece figures are good for old grognards like you and me, but appealing to newer gamers with swanky multi piece minis is important too.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 23 June 2018, 21:40:16
There are advantages to both; single pose/piece figures are good for old grognards like you and me, but appealing to newer gamers with swanky multi piece minis is important too.

 ???

I've seen a lot of new gamers/modelers/painters who want to get a piece on the table without the need for assembly. Good sculpts and casting quality makes a big difference, but I'd be surprised if multi-part was a draw for a big audience.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Scotty on 23 June 2018, 21:46:36
Being able to tell apart minis without having to hack them apart or paint them also helps.  As much as I'd love to justify buying more Lance Packs, it's significantly more labor intensive to cut them apart to actually look interesting than it is to just buy metal/multi-part in the first place.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: sadlerbw on 23 June 2018, 22:41:21
And then there are my kids, who think the best minis are the clicky-tech ones that are pre-painted, posable, and bigger. They like my metal minis but there is no way I am giving any to the kiddos yet. The number of times I’ve had to glue my sons clicky-tech Neanderthal back together is approaching double digits, and my daughter actually managed to break one of the one-piece minis from a lance pack! She snapped a flea’s body clean off both its legs.

I guess the point I’m trying to make is that there is probably demand for both simple and durable minis, as well as detailed, multi-part jobs. Just depends on the audience. It probably isn’t a bad thing to have some of each, if the market will support it.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 23 June 2018, 23:46:02
It's not just kids who prefer big, good-looking, prepainted miniatures. I love assembling and painting my little robots and tanks, but my ability to do so is rapidly diminishing.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tymers Realm on 24 June 2018, 00:10:30
They should now release a redone 3025 book with the Nuseen in it. All of them. 

You do realize that was a intended goal of TRO:SW, right?
But because of the HG trolling, the MAcross-inspired Classics got pulled from that. Hence my hopes for a TRO: SW Revised that can include all of the Unseen/Reseen in the Classic style.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Luciora on 24 June 2018, 00:27:31
My money will be there!

You do realize that was a intended goal of TRO:SW, right?
But because of the HG trolling, the MAcross-inspired Classics got pulled from that. Hence my hopes for a TRO: SW Revised that can include all of the Unseen/Reseen in the Classic style.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Frabby on 24 June 2018, 05:20:10
If I remember correctly, the "intended goal" for XTRO:SW was to amuse Herb (for his birthday iirc), as an in-joke among the writers. Only Herb liked it enough to solicit a proper XTRO from the joke.

But 3025 has now seen a surge in attention, both to cater to the HBS computer game crowd and as a venue for new players through the new boxes. So maybe there's more new 3025 era product on the horizon?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 24 June 2018, 07:47:06
If I remember correctly, the "intended goal" for XTRO:SW was to amuse Herb (for his birthday iirc), as an in-joke among the writers. Only Herb liked it enough to solicit a proper XTRO from the joke.

But 3025 has now seen a surge in attention, both to cater to the HBS computer game crowd and as a venue for new players through the new boxes. So maybe there's more new 3025 era product on the horizon?

They're talking about Technical Readout: Succession Wars, not any of the Experimental TROs.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: PyreLight on 24 June 2018, 08:05:44
1) Sorry, shirts are typically sold only at the conventions. If that has changed, I haven't heard about it. However, that doesn't mean you couldn't convince a kind-hearted fan going to GenCon to pick one or two up for you and ship them over.

Damnit! Why won't Catalyst please sell these t-shirts online and take my money?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sharpnel on 24 June 2018, 08:20:18
I'm sick of the Cons-exlusive product BS. At least IWM's swtuff eventually makes it to their online store.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cache on 24 June 2018, 10:36:03
Lately I have been running into time issues with assembling miniatures, getting good looking one-piece minis would be greatly appreciated.
One-piece run into the problem of being VERY limited in pose and detail. Technology has definitely progressed so that detail is much better than the 3rd edition plastics, but the issues are still there. Different plastic will hold detail better but I haven't seen anyone get around negative spaces. ANYTHING with deep (front to back) torsos like half the original Clan omnis (Mad Cat, Masakari, Daishi, etc.) will not come out well at all. Could be the reason we didn't see Clan star packs. That is a whole lot of the most popular 'Mechs. It's likely that, aside from the Reseen Tbolt, those are the ones most complained about multi-piece minis.

They did experiment with the Mad Cat and Thor plastics, and they were very well done. They were not one-piece, though. If you bought a pair, one came preassembled and one did not. That means they have to pay someone to preassemble. People like the plastics because they are cheaper than metal. Preassembly is going to negate this.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: abou on 24 June 2018, 10:52:26
Ral Partha/IWM has had a lot of good one-piece minis through the years whether BattleTech or their fantasy line. But on top of what everyone else has said, just think about cleaning up mold lines. Geeze, that gets nearly impossible with some minis.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 24 June 2018, 11:05:07
There has been a move back toward easier assemblies. The Dasher II and gunslinger mongoose from this quarter are 5 and 4 pieces respectively. Super complicated builds like the Atlas III and nightmare inducing elements like the Tiburon’s feet are smaller in number now
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 24 June 2018, 13:26:03
One-piece run into the problem of being VERY limited in pose and detail. Technology has definitely progressed so that detail is much better than the 3rd edition plastics, but the issues are still there. Different plastic will hold detail better but I haven't seen anyone get around negative spaces. ANYTHING with deep (front to back) torsos like half the original Clan omnis (Mad Cat, Masakari, Daishi, etc.) will not come out well at all. Could be the reason we didn't see Clan star packs. That is a whole lot of the most popular 'Mechs. It's likely that, aside from the Reseen Tbolt, those are the ones most complained about multi-piece minis.

They did experiment with the Mad Cat and Thor plastics, and they were very well done. They were not one-piece, though. If you bought a pair, one came preassembled and one did not. That means they have to pay someone to preassemble. People like the plastics because they are cheaper than metal. Preassembly is going to negate this.

Catapult is in both the last set of plastics and the current ones.  Stalker is a bigger wad of 'deep' plastic.  Raven, a bit narrower than the Catapult, Dragon has a beak on it . . .

As far as saying the last release of plastics had limited poses?  Obviously did not read worktroll's posts about projects.  He inspired me, and my skills suck, to try it out . . . and its pretty easy following his steps.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 24 June 2018, 13:28:24
Here's the deal: experienced modelers have the skills to modify static poses. Inexperienced players will not bother putting together complicated models. The less assembly, the better.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 24 June 2018, 13:37:01
Here's the deal: experienced modelers have the skills to modify static poses. Inexperienced players will not bother putting together complicated models. The less assembly, the better.

I think that is a good take.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cache on 24 June 2018, 14:00:48
Catapult is in both the last set of plastics and the current ones.  Stalker is a bigger wad of 'deep' plastic.  Raven, a bit narrower than the Catapult, Dragon has a beak on it . . .
Those are very different from the Clan omnis I mentioned, specifically the arms. Let me know how you see the Masakari and Daishi being cast/molded in the exact same way.

I sculpted the Catapult's legs specifically so that it could be molded like in one piece. The original legs could not have been done that way. That's the pose you get with those style legs. Now imagine every mini you own with chicken legs in that exact same pose. If they have arms, they'll be pointing slightly down and probably open a bit. Gets a little boring with the hundreds of miniatures available. The plastic packs evolved further than the original Beginner's Sets that I created, but they still didn't cover the 3050 Clan omnis. There's a reason for that, and I doubt that it was lack of demand.

Here's the deal: experienced modelers have the skills to modify static poses. Inexperienced players will not bother putting together complicated models. The less assembly, the better.
That is exactly why I created the metal Beginner Sets back in the day, plus one more reason: They would be a little cheaper than buying better-detailed individual minis, because, let's face it, the average BT'er wants cheap product. And that's a problem. The plastic lance packs didn't sell fast enough to be worth it because of the higher-than-metal overhead. How many of the plastic sets sat on shelves until they were on sale? I would guess the half-price fire sales that went on the last couple of years probably account for a not unsubstantial percentage of total sales. Those were the best, cheapest, and most generic product produced and they still weren't good enough.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 24 June 2018, 14:04:26
The Lance Packs were overproduced. They sold very well, but CGL simply ordered too many. It's a learning experience.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 24 June 2018, 14:04:44
Here's the deal: experienced modelers have the skills to modify static poses. Inexperienced players will not bother putting together complicated models. The less assembly, the better.

I agree as well.

Here's an example. Both are the Plastic Battlemasters from the previous box set. The Green in the 'classic' static pose. The Yellow with a little modding. For newer postsers, the model was 2 arms (static) 2 legs (static) and I believe torso and hips.

The plastic is the 'good kind' in my opinion( the kind that 'melts' with model glue like most model kits), so modding was very easy to achieve. If we had model kits like that, that would be quite welcome.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cache on 24 June 2018, 14:09:13
If we had model kits like that, that would be quite welcome.
With the number of individual 'Mech chassis out there, not counting variants, how do you imagine that could happen? That isn't even counting vehicles and aircraft.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 24 June 2018, 14:09:35
Here's the deal: experienced modelers have the skills to modify static poses. Inexperienced players will not bother putting together complicated models. The less assembly, the better.

+1 from me, too.

I think NeonKnight's example hits the nail on the head.  The plastic minis from the previous box set are extremely easy to mod - if necessary - but they are also just fine as-is.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cache on 24 June 2018, 14:10:50
The Lance Packs were overproduced. They sold very well, but CGL simply ordered too many. It's a learning experience.
Why were they overproduced? High quantity to get the individual cost down I would wager.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 24 June 2018, 14:25:06
With the number of individual 'Mech chassis out there, not counting variants, how do you imagine that could happen? That isn't even counting vehicles and aircraft.

Well...not asking for everything to be done, but imagine if you will instead of a Lance Pack of:

Raven, Jenner, Hunchback, Victor, with only 4 static models. there was instead a sprue with those same 4 models, but the legs were separate, the arms were separate and the torsos were separate.

Or the new Box set, instead of the 8 models as being a single cast piece, there were a multi cast piece.

Certainly not asking to redo the hundreds of pre-existing models, simply saying IF CGL were to do future plastics, small multi piece (like the Thor/Loki, Madcat and BattleMaster before) would be nice.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 24 June 2018, 15:13:18
Why were they overproduced? High quantity to get the individual cost down I would wager.

Nah, just over-estimated demand. It happens. The good news is that they're out there, often for quite cheap, so when the market improves - i.e., once the new boxed sets hits - new players can snap them up.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Scotty on 24 June 2018, 17:26:44
+1 from me, too.

I think NeonKnight's example hits the nail on the head.  The plastic minis from the previous box set are extremely easy to mod - if necessary - but they are also just fine as-is.

I find his example ironic and amusing, because that Battlemaster is five pieces and exactly the kind of small variability without having to cut parts that I was talking about.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 24 June 2018, 20:03:06
I find his example ironic and amusing, because that Battlemaster is five pieces and exactly the kind of small variability without having to cut parts that I was talking about.

lol, was it?  Its been so long since I assembled it that I can’t remember.  Now that you mention it, though, I remember the arms being on a sprue, but what else?

Well, HOWEVER many pieces that was, that’s perfect for me.  As long as it in plastic.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Scotty on 24 June 2018, 20:06:35
That particular figure is entirely contained on a... 2" x 5" sprue, I think?  Two arms, two legs, and the torso.  There was also a separate base with slots for the feet to go in.

The Mad Cat that came in the same box was the same way, with the same number of parts.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 24 June 2018, 22:33:26
Yeah, not sure why that Battlemaster was being used when worktroll has lots and lots of Lance Pack mods to demonstrate.

We had our big con here in my state, over 30 people at two grinder tables for hours yesterday.  Lots of discussion of the box sets expected to come out by the end of the year if they want everything or we told them you can pick up the lance packs from X store or Y store in the area, running about $ZZ to get some of the minis they were using.  I know I plucked a plastic off the table to let someone compare it to the metal they were using for weight and then they looked at the details.

Who knows if they will buy in, but we had folks asking where we played & when.  When they came back to finish off today instead of playing one of the other games, I took that as a good sign.  The lead demo agent spoke with the store that has a presence at the con, next year we want to be able to tell them if they want to get started, go down stairs to the store and pick up Product A or B.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 25 June 2018, 01:38:39
Yeah, not sure why that Battlemaster was being used when worktroll has lots and lots of Lance Pack mods to demonstrate.

We had our big con here in my state, over 30 people at two grinder tables for hours yesterday.  Lots of discussion of the box sets expected to come out by the end of the year if they want everything or we told them you can pick up the lance packs from X store or Y store in the area, running about $ZZ to get some of the minis they were using.  I know I plucked a plastic off the table to let someone compare it to the metal they were using for weight and then they looked at the details.

Who knows if they will buy in, but we had folks asking where we played & when.  When they came back to finish off today instead of playing one of the other games, I took that as a good sign.  The lead demo agent spoke with the store that has a presence at the con, next year we want to be able to tell them if they want to get started, go down stairs to the store and pick up Product A or B.

I used the battlemaster specifically because it was a multi part model. By having a small number of pieces it may not be scary for a new gamer to experiment with. Maybe change the arms a little. Move the legs. Way less scary than cutting up a complete model.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: JadedFalcon on 25 June 2018, 01:45:43
The multi-part plastic battlemaster doesn't really need glue, either. This makes it easy to pop off the sprue, plug together, and then start headcapping other mechs.

If anything, it should be simpler. Legs and base as one part, upper torso as a separate part, then arms. This provides a reasonable amount of posing while being simple and (if designed correctly) doesn't require glue.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Scotty on 25 June 2018, 01:58:46
(Both) legs molded into a base is the fastest way to make new dislike a mini.  It makes a single static pose the default and makes it require surgery to make anything approaching dynamic motion possible.

Some minis like the Shadow Hawk manage to reasonably have options while also having a molded base, but they're still few and far between.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: JadedFalcon on 25 June 2018, 02:11:39
Better than that leg flung back in the air running pose. I agree that the metal sculpt of the Classic Shadow Hawk is a good example of allowing for both ease of construction and variation in posing. The few and far between part has to do with management and the approval process.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Greatclub on 25 June 2018, 02:16:14
The Lance Packs were overproduced. They sold very well, but CGL simply ordered too many. It's a learning experience.

I'm not sure they were overproduced. If they'd produced fewer, each box would have had to bear a higher percentage of the fixed costs (tooling), therefore driving the cost per box up.

I remember being told that, during the 80's, an injection mold could cost high-six or into seven figures. DNC and CAD/CAM has brought that down sharply, but it's still high, and figuring that each lance pack took one mold, my lowest estimate is a hundred thousand spent on just tooling, before the variable costs of the production runs (Which would go down per-item the more you made.)

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 25 June 2018, 06:05:07
(Both) legs molded into a base is the fastest way to make new dislike a mini.  It makes a single static pose the default and makes it require surgery to make anything approaching dynamic motion possible.

That's your opinion, but I assure you, new players would be fine with it. If *you* want multi-pose models, please let TPTB know, but don't pretend that it's a viewpoint shared by people you don't even know.

I'm not sure they were overproduced.

They were overproduced. This is a fact, not a random opinion.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 25 June 2018, 08:43:42
(Both) legs molded into a base is the fastest way to make new dislike a mini.  It makes a single static pose the default and makes it require surgery to make anything approaching dynamic motion possible.

I would rather have both legs molded as a single piece and the base separate than both of the legs molded to the base.  I would prefer either to having the legs as two separate pieces, though. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 25 June 2018, 08:53:50
The Game of Armored Combat (8 'mech) box set includes Alpha Strike materials, if what I heard at Origins was correct. ;)

Sort of. It contains Alpha Strike cards, but not rules, IIRC.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 25 June 2018, 09:14:17
Damnit! Why won't Catalyst please sell these t-shirts online and take my money?

The answer to any question like this is "Money." As in it either:
1. Costs too much to do
2. Won't deliver enough money to be profitable

In this case we've talked about it before you had joined the forums, and it's #2.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 25 June 2018, 10:10:52
(Both) legs molded into a base is the fastest way to make new dislike a mini.  It makes a single static pose the default and makes it require surgery to make anything approaching dynamic motion possible.

Some minis like the Shadow Hawk manage to reasonably have options while also having a molded base, but they're still few and far between.

I'm with you on fixed leg positions, but I consider myself a fairly advanced hobbyist, and modder.

*Personally*, I am a huge fan of highly poseable multi-part minis, but I am sympathetic to newbies who might not even want to deal with 'mech assembly before they can start rolling dice, and marking off armor bubbles.

If it helps promote the game, I am content to spend a few quality hours with my jeweler's saw, rather than chase away a prospective new player with a complex build.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 June 2018, 11:26:21
The point on the plastics like the AS Lance Pack is that you can easily adjust their position- I have done and have very little skill.  So yeah, the point is the greatest basic appeal and b/c of the medium it allows people to experiment without it costing like it does with metal and is easier to work on.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 25 June 2018, 11:38:37
I'm with you on fixed leg positions, but I consider myself a fairly advanced hobbyist, and modder.

*Personally*, I am a huge fan of highly poseable multi-part minis, but I am sympathetic to newbies who might not even want to deal with 'mech assembly before they can start rolling dice, and marking off armor bubbles.

If it helps promote the game, I am content to spend a few quality hours with my jeweler's saw, rather than chase away a prospective new player with a complex build.

I think it’s fine to have a mix with mostly forgiving builds, but still a small number of more complex items (e.g. the 5/9D & 9W2 Marauder and Arion). I actually like putting together more complicated minis but I wouldn’t want them to comprise the majority of the line
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: jimdigris on 25 June 2018, 20:32:49
I only have one copy of the reseen T-bolt and have no plans to get another because the legs are in a fixed position and posed badly. I rarely buy more than one copy of any mech where both legs are fixed to the base because I do not want them to look alike. As for the notion that experienced modelers don't mind sawing legs off, this experienced modeler hates it. It doesn't help that so much damage is done to the details of the mini in the process.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 25 June 2018, 20:36:42
The reseen tbolt has the legendarily nightmarish multi-segment legs. Are you thinking of the primitive or IIC?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 June 2018, 20:38:44
The primitive has single piece legs if I remember from what I built that, so its not that one . . . and the discussion was about the plastics being 1 piece, so . . .
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: JadedFalcon on 25 June 2018, 20:49:14
I only have one copy of the reseen T-bolt and have no plans to get another because the legs are in a fixed position and posed badly. I rarely buy more than one copy of any mech where both legs are fixed to the base because I do not want them to look alike. As for the notion that experienced modelers don't mind sawing legs off, this experienced modeler hates it. It doesn't help that so much damage is done to the details of the mini in the process.

Same reason I'm not buying a reseen T-Bolt anytime soon. Issues like posing is a matter of management and approval process, and should be handled before it goes to production. It's a failing of the producer, not the concept.

Miniature producers like IWM can cater to the experienced modeler demographic. Introductory board game products that emphasize ease of entry into the franchise need to be more considerate about barriers to entry. Like taking half an hour and glue (sold seperately) to get your game ready to play.

The new upcoming sculpts look promising. How long it will take for those designs to show up as multi-part figures in the IWM catalog may be a good question for CGL at Gen Con.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 25 June 2018, 23:26:28
I remember being told that, during the 80's, an injection mold could cost high-six or into seven figures.
It also depends on the size and complexity of the mold. A large multi-part mold even for today could run that high, but I don't think the far more common smaller molds would cost that much even in the 80s. If they did we wouldn't have seen far far fewer choices in the number of toys offered.

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...but it's still high, and figuring that each lance pack took one mold, my lowest estimate is a hundred thousand spent on just tooling, before the variable costs of the production runs (Which would go down per-item the more you made.)

If CGL was smart each lance pack would not have its own mold. Rather each mech would have a mold plate that could be added to a larger mold. It changes the cost dynamic and might make the overall cost about 10% higher but the cost per part is now also lower as is the fact that you can mix and match any 4 or more plates. Makes individual sales easier as well a greater variety in lance packs (or greater randomness within a set lance pack).

Thinking about it... adding new plates would be far cheaper than adding whole new molds as well and could turn lance packs into something akin to trading card packs. Which ultra rare mech will you pick up in that next purchase of the Urban Lance. Sweet! It came with Big Boobs McGee in her pimped out Urbanmech!
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Scotty on 25 June 2018, 23:34:47
No one commenting in this thread knows how Catalyst produced the Lance packs, so I highly doubt any of us are in a position to criticize said production of said Lance packs.  Results?  Yeah, sure.  Methods?  Not really, no.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 25 June 2018, 23:40:36
I’m not allowed to play anything any more that has blind randomization. My wife so much as gets a whiff of MtG cards, my face will be on a poster at every FLGS within 50 miles proclaiming “DO NOT SERVE THIS MAN”
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 25 June 2018, 23:43:52
 ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

 xp

Sounds like you could be in for a rough time if CGL ever takes my suggestion seriously :P
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 26 June 2018, 07:55:21
It also depends on the size and complexity of the mold.

No kidding. I have several of the Robotech RPG Tactics mini boxes, and those models are a copper plated pain in the ass to build.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 26 June 2018, 08:10:04
Not the complexity I was talking about ???

For a complex mold we could be talking about an odd shape that would require several different moving pieces as part of the mold. Sprue items are normally a simple two part mold. The solid one piece BT minis might be a multi-part mold depending on the complexity of the design.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: jimdigris on 26 June 2018, 08:50:00
The reseen tbolt has the legendarily nightmarish multi-segment legs. Are you thinking of the primitive or IIC?
Now that I think about it, the problem with the t-bolt was in the legs. The reseen Rifleman is the other big problem off the top of my head.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Drewbacca on 26 June 2018, 09:59:10
I know I am in the minority here but I would prefer keeping Battletech minis as simple as possible. I have put together enough multipart plastic minis and paid for them more than the trouble was worth. BT us my go to for relatively low cost fun and I want to keep it that way.

Don't get me wrong, I love good looking minis and IWM does great work, but I prefer to keep IWM and CGL seperate and to see things stay simple enough for IWM to be able to crank out more mins rather than lower quantity, pricier minis.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 26 June 2018, 11:06:31
Your not in the minority . . . this, like most things, has a bell curve.  The largest segment will be "Don't Care/Keep it Simple" . . . and on either end you get the "OMG, one piece only for my SANITY!"  and "I love working with tweezers & microscopes to get a pose."  I will admit, after the TRO PP era mechs like the Solitaire, Scylla (which stayed in a ziplock for 15 years until I paid faithless to assemble it) and Marauder 9S I was in that camp.  But the latest run has made me look closer at the pictures rather than just the pieces count- I am a 'army' builder/painter . . . for me the mechs from the last box set and accompanying Lance Packs were great.  They looked pretty good IMO as they were, and if I felt brave enough I could use the Xacto to repose them.  I experimented on the multiples of mechs I was not a huge fan of (hello Cyclops, one is literally my guinea pig for painting techniques) and then moved to others.  My metal Orion and the Lance Pack Orion have the same pose . . . to get a different look, I used the plastic one because it was easier and less expensive if I screwed up.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Mendrugo on 26 June 2018, 11:16:05
No "Noisiel Games" Breakdancing Atlas mini, No Peace!  :D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 26 June 2018, 12:50:24
No kidding. I have several of the Robotech RPG Tactics mini boxes, and those models are a copper plated pain in the ass to build.

Those minis are/were utterly absurd. 
I don't think I ever finished assembling the four out of the one box that I purchased. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 26 June 2018, 15:48:23
I had planned to buy half a dozen boxes to build a few generic heavy companies but then I saw the sprues...
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Major Headcase on 26 June 2018, 21:25:30
Those minis are/were utterly absurd. 
I don't think I ever finished assembling the four out of the one box that I purchased.

I'm on the opposite end here. I have built and painted about 2 dozen of the unseen (Destroids) from RPG Tactics for Btech, I love them! It's just a cost/reward issue, not a lot of players like me who feel the payout is worth the extra effort. Which I totally understand! My companies also include about 20 plastic lance packs too!! 🤣
But going forward? I would definitely like to see more modular plastic mini "kits". They wouldn't need to be as elaborate as the Robotech kits, but that direction would please me! 😍
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: pheonixstorm on 26 June 2018, 21:33:52
As someone who used to build plastic model kits the RT kits don't bother me at all. I've dealt with far worse building warship kits.

Now if CGL decided actual model kits for mech, warships, dropships, etc I would love to build some. I wonder how the Atlas would look as a 1/72 scale model kit... ;D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Padraig Tseng on 26 June 2018, 21:52:34
The answer to any question like this is "Money." As in it either:
1. Costs too much to do
2. Won't deliver enough money to be profitable

In this case we've talked about it before you had joined the forums, and it's #2.

They should look into an on demand service such as the folks at Pro Wrestling Tees.....they do online stores for pro wrestlers and apparently the wrestlers make a decent profit off the shirts....
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 26 June 2018, 22:09:29
They should look into an on demand service such as the folks at Pro Wrestling Tees.....they do online stores for pro wrestlers and apparently the wrestlers make a decent profit off the shirts....

There could be license issues that are not public. But, hopefully, the print-on-demand experiment will show that such things are possible.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 26 June 2018, 22:57:04
I can’t say I’m super excited about the initial selection for PoD but I’ll buy it with the hope of more options in the future
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Padraig Tseng on 26 June 2018, 23:32:46
There could be license issues that are not public. But, hopefully, the print-on-demand experiment will show that such things are possible.

If they limit the selection to stuff they are 500% sure they have the rights to (or Topps does) then it would probably be good.  The notion tho that money is the issue was more what I was responding to :P
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 27 June 2018, 00:02:22
If they limit the selection to stuff they are 500% sure they have the rights to (or Topps does) then it would probably be good.  The notion tho that money is the issue was more what I was responding to :P

I wasn't talking about copyrights at all. I mean that IMR's license with Topps could limit their ability to produce ancillary products.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 27 June 2018, 07:39:09
I can’t say I’m super excited about the initial selection for PoD but I’ll buy it with the hope of more options in the future

Honestly I'm torn. I want to support PoD and CGL, but turning points just don't excite me the way a collection of say XTROs would. *shrug*
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 27 June 2018, 08:26:36
I wasn't talking about copyrights at all. I mean that IMR's license with Topps could limit their ability to produce ancillary products.

The notion tho that money is the issue was more what I was responding to :P

Money is always an issue. Let us all remember the HBS experiment with trying to crowd-fund BT merch.

"I'd definitely buy one of those!" Okay, that's one sale made, and possibly several thousand more to go.

Honestly I'm torn. I want to support PoD and CGL, but turning points just don't excite me the way a collection of say XTROs would. *shrug*

My understanding is that PoD for XTROs would be difficult because of their landscape format. You'll probably hear more about PoD in the coming months--con season is here and all available production resources are directed elsewhere at the moment.

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 27 June 2018, 08:28:34
My understanding is that PoD for XTROs would be difficult because of their landscape format. You'll probably hear more about PoD in the coming months--con season is here and all available production resources are directed elsewhere at the moment.
Fair enough. Maybe a printed copy of the Era Reports will be available in the future. That would be cool too.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 27 June 2018, 08:44:00
I'm on the opposite end here. I have built and painted about 2 dozen of the unseen (Destroids) from RPG Tactics for Btech, I love them! It's just a cost/reward issue, not a lot of players like me who feel the payout is worth the extra effort. Which I totally understand! My companies also include about 20 plastic lance packs too!! 🤣
But going forward? I would definitely like to see more modular plastic mini "kits". They wouldn't need to be as elaborate as the Robotech kits, but that direction would please me! 😍

Hey, I think it's great that there are people out there who enjoy those complex kits.  I'm definitely not criticizing those who do. 

I think, all else being equal, Games Workshop really hit the sweet-spot with the basic Space Marine mini in terms of number of pieces.  For obvious reasons, that wouldn't translate 1:1 to Battletech (we wouldn't need the shoulder pauldrons or the bolter), but upper body, lower body plus legs, left arm, right arm, sometimes the head.  That seems perfect to me.  Again, though, maybe the real difference maker is not the number of pieces, but the material.  I love the folks at IWM, they do really excellent work and I am grateful to them for helping keep this game alive, but it is a heck of a lot easier to put together a plastic mini than it is a pewter one. 
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 27 June 2018, 09:40:12
Hey, I think it's great that there are people out there who enjoy those complex kits.  I'm definitely not criticizing those who do. 

I think, all else being equal, Games Workshop really hit the sweet-spot with the basic Space Marine mini in terms of number of pieces.  For obvious reasons, that wouldn't translate 1:1 to Battletech (we wouldn't need the shoulder pauldrons or the bolter), but upper body, lower body plus legs, left arm, right arm, sometimes the head.  That seems perfect to me.  Again, though, maybe the real difference maker is not the number of pieces, but the material.  I love the folks at IWM, they do really excellent work and I am grateful to them for helping keep this game alive, but it is a heck of a lot easier to put together a plastic mini than it is a pewter one.

I don't disagree, but Games Workshop's advantages in available capital, artistic control, and economies of scale, in comparison to Ironwind Metals, are simply enormous.

The two companies are only barely operating in the same market.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 27 June 2018, 09:58:42
...which has nothing to do with actual sculpts of the pieces, as ActionButler was talking about.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Moonsword on 27 June 2018, 10:02:45
Alright you two, break it up and move on.  Any discussion of IWM vs. GW in terms of anything - scale, quality, volume, circumference, radius, or seismograph readings, whatever, - needs to go into the Miniatures section, not this thread.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 27 June 2018, 10:36:16
Money is always an issue. Let us all remember the HBS experiment with trying to crowd-fund BT merch.

"I'd definitely buy one of those!" Okay, that's one sale made, and possibly several thousand more to go.

My understanding is that PoD for XTROs would be difficult because of their landscape format. You'll probably hear more about PoD in the coming months--con season is here and all available production resources are directed elsewhere at the moment.

IMO its just disappointing that something that was released in print form last year AT the Con has not been made available in ereader format.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ColBosch on 27 June 2018, 11:08:05
Fair enough. Maybe a printed copy of the Era Reports will be available in the future. That would be cool too.

Do you mean the Era Digests? Because yeah, I'd love to see a certain mini-book in print. ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: mbear on 27 June 2018, 12:19:47
Do you mean the Era Digests? Because yeah, I'd love to see a certain mini-book in print. ;)

Yes, I did. *sigh* too much going on.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 27 June 2018, 12:57:14
Both. ER3145 is approaching college organic chem textbook prices
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 27 June 2018, 13:25:12
Both. ER3145 is approaching college organic chem textbook prices

Wait until you get to Analytical and Physical. Plenty of O-Chem books out there to bring the market down....
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 27 June 2018, 13:43:00
Wait until you get to Analytical and Physical. Plenty of O-Chem books out there to bring the market down....

Yes, Wars of Reaving is the PChem analogue

Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Gaiiten on 28 June 2018, 12:57:47
Yes, Wars of Reaving is the PChem analogue
But exam should be easier:
"Tell me of all Clan units which were destroyed: unit name, date, location, who did it, please."
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Maingunnery on 28 June 2018, 14:03:15
But exam should be easier:
"Tell me of all Clan units which were destroyed: unit name, date, location, who did it, please."
You monster.  ;)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Hythos on 29 June 2018, 11:50:32
The point on the plastics like the AS Lance Pack is that you can easily adjust their position- I have done and have very little skill.  So yeah, the point is the greatest basic appeal and b/c of the medium it allows people to experiment without it costing like it does with metal and is easier to work on.
The latest Lance packs were the first plastic mini's I've worked with, whereas prior-to, I favored lead because of how simple it was to shape... however, despite having ~2000 new(er) pewter mini's to work on, before 2014, the only one pewter mini I can think of having worked with was my first Grand Titan from '94-95?

With all of my new(er) stuff in pewter is awesomesauce.... it's soft enough to be easily shaped, and hard enough to resist unintentional scratches & dents.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: abou on 29 June 2018, 13:48:49
So Catalyst had their announcement about the Classics. Slightly vague in that it doesn't explicitly state one way or the other that we are going to be seeing the Classics, but the inclusion of the Campaign Operations cover featuring the Marauder front and center seems to shout that the IP is going to proceed as though March 2017 didn't happen.
Title: Re: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Pat Payne on 29 June 2018, 13:54:20
So Catalyst had their announcement about the Classics. Slightly vague in that it doesn't explicitly state one way or the other that we are going to be seeing the Classics, but the inclusion of the Campaign Operations cover featuring the Marauder front and center seems to shout that the IP is going to proceed as though March 2017 didn't happen.

That seems to be the case.  :) Hopefull, this'll put a lot of minds at ease, mine included.

Now then, where's my plastic Marauder and Whammy?  :whip:
Title: Re: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 29 June 2018, 13:59:06
I wonder if the miniatures are made, just waiting for them to be sold...
Title: Re: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: abou on 29 June 2018, 14:01:22
I wonder if the miniatures are made, just waiting for them to be sold...
For a few, the 3D models are already made. The artist is on DeviantArt and showed at least the BattleMaster, Rifleman, Marauder, and Wolverine. Unfortunately, DeviantArt is down right now so I can't find it.
Title: Re: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: JPArbiter on 29 June 2018, 14:05:20
I doubt there was any Production grade minis made and wherehoused, as that would have been money wasted had legal proceedings gone pear shaped.

As previously stated there were some contested designs prototyped, so it should not take to much of a lift to begin production. Just a question of if they are going to go plastics first or just get them to IWM To get them in the public
Title: Re: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Bedwyr on 29 June 2018, 14:08:18
I will lay good money down in a bet that there are no such minis. Don't get your wild fancies up y'all. Production doesn't work like you think it works.


And this is from a mod who never removed his beloved 7th CL Marauder art.
Title: Re: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 29 June 2018, 14:08:59
So Catalyst had their announcement about the Classics. Slightly vague in that it doesn't explicitly state one way or the other that we are going to be seeing the Classics, but the inclusion of the Campaign Operations cover featuring the Marauder front and center seems to shout that the IP is going to proceed as though March 2017 didn't happen.

They did, although I was hoping for a bit more than "We're happy it's resolved, and our (largely unannounced) plans continue apace."

I remain cautiously optimistic, as I wait and see.
Title: Re: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: abou on 29 June 2018, 14:25:23
Here we go.

Some of the new cover art has been done by SpOoKy777: https://www.deviantart.com/spooky777/gallery/

New 3D miniature models done by Sentinel373: https://www.deviantart.com/sentinel373/gallery/
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 29 June 2018, 16:50:28
Alrighty... ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of all ages, please procede with your discussion.  Be aware, however, if an ongoing discussion of the lawsuit breaks out, it may or may not be moved to the Off-topic section of the forum since a closed lawsuit is not a new or an upcoming release. 
Title: Re: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 29 June 2018, 17:19:19
I wonder if the miniatures are made, just waiting for them to be sold...
No. That’s hilarious. No.
Title: Re: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 29 June 2018, 17:23:34
I wonder if the miniatures are made, just waiting for them to be sold...

No. That’s hilarious. No.

 :'( :-\ :'(


Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: worktroll on 29 June 2018, 17:33:54
Why would CGL commit money to product they didn't know if they could use? Why would they spend money they didn't know if they could recoup?

Production takes time. Shipping takes time. Packaging takes time.

We will see them. But in their own time. Babies take 9 months to arrive from commencement. Product has its own gestation period.

W.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: DarkISI on 29 June 2018, 17:37:08
Babies take 9 months to arrive from commencement. Product has its own gestation period.

I really don't want any miniatures Ray or Brent pressed out of one of their holes  :yikes:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: worktroll on 29 June 2018, 17:47:23
You've never seen a high-end 3D printer in operation? Told CGL they shouldn't have gone with Axlotl Inc.  >:D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: abou on 29 June 2018, 17:54:29
You've never seen a high-end 3D printer in operation? Told CGL they shouldn't have gone with Axlotl Inc.  >:D
if anything could be considered a ghola, it would be these guys.

Could be worse though. Elephants take 22 months to gestate. How many metaphors can we think of?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Pat Payne on 29 June 2018, 18:03:43
if anything could be considered a ghola, it would be these guys.

Could be worse though. Elephants take 22 months to gestate. How many metaphors can we think of?

Maybe this? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C6EwLTAvHc)Note -- I do not endorse the beverage, just the sentiment.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: skiltao on 29 June 2018, 18:33:56
Production doesn't work like you think it works.
Why would CGL commit money to product they didn't know if they could use? Why would they spend money they didn't know if they could recoup?

Production takes time. Shipping takes time. Packaging takes time.

We will see them. But in their own time. Babies take 9 months to arrive from commencement. Product has its own gestation period.

That just makes it a question of which stage of gestation they were at when the lawsuit hit. Not everybody remembers what the state of things was back then.
Title: Re: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 29 June 2018, 20:15:56
No. That’s hilarious. No.

Might I venture a suggestion to the designer:  since the mechs that used to be off limits no longer are, would you consider and expansion box to the main ‘game of armored combat’ box; ie, a different set of maps, along with the MAD, the warhammer, etc?

You could (if feasible), add some duplicates of the existing units in the main box, or do a new variant; for example, the K2 catapult, as that requires (basically) a change in the arms?

Food for thought :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Colt Ward on 29 June 2018, 20:45:56
*proud first public promoter of the aforementioned Succession Wars Expansion Pack . . . *
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Cubby on 29 June 2018, 21:12:57
Hi--lone black Beemer here with a blanket statement:

As AG said, there is no product sitting in a warehouse, ready to rock. That would have been an insane hedge of a legal case whose outcome was far from certain.

There are conversations ongoing, as there always are, about possible future products. Understanding and incorporating this development into those plans will take time.

It's been a week since this happened.
It's literally the middle of con season.
There's what could fairly be called a crash effort happening to get other product ready to go.

The excitement and optimism around this development is great and totally understandable. Please be patient and understand if there aren't new miniatures up for sale this very instant.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 29 June 2018, 21:55:35
Fully realize my suggestion is a ‘maybe, someday’ type thing; models don’t appear overnight :)
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: klarg1 on 29 June 2018, 23:05:17
For my own part, I'm mostly waiting to see what (if anything) appears at Gencon. I'm hoping for box sets, and a street date to go with them. Of course, I would never say no to more goodies.

Since I won't be there in-person this year, I'm counting on you fine folks to tell me when/if it happens.  8)
Title: Re: Request for the mod team: Specificity required, and soon.
Post by: sadlerbw on 02 July 2018, 15:44:22
Question: Would you consider either re-relasing the TRO: Succession Wars PDF version, or creating a downloadable addendum to it with entries for the Classics that could not be included thanks to this silliness?

In my opinion, they really did belong in that product.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 02 July 2018, 19:02:23
We’re looking at options.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: MarauderD on 02 July 2018, 19:04:49
We’re looking at options.

Super pumped to hear it. And for the record, I'd totally buy an updated DTF TRO: Succession Wars to help get my brother in law into the game.

Just sayin'.

Cheers,

Mad
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 02 July 2018, 20:15:49
We’re looking at options.

Well, adding the nuSeens in to a hypothetical updated/revised Succession Wars TRO would basically allow you to print your own money.  Doesn't seem like much of a downside  to the scenario :D
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Scotty on 02 July 2018, 20:18:35
I would be much more interested in a "TRO: Helm Memory Core" or something like that, because I have a pathological aversion to buying the same book twice with some extra pages in the back.  The new version of Total Warfare gets a pass because it's full of things like rules updates, but for a fluff book no matter how much I want it, that's a hard pass.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: NeonKnight on 02 July 2018, 20:32:50
I would be much more interested in a "TRO: Helm Memory Core" or something like that, because I have a pathological aversion to buying the same book twice with some extra pages in the back.  The new version of Total Warfare gets a pass because it's full of things like rules updates, but for a fluff book no matter how much I want it, that's a hard pass.

And yet, new product or updates must be made for the New players.

Even tho I agree with you in part.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Scotty on 02 July 2018, 20:36:51
And yet, new product or updates must be made for the New players.

Even tho I agree with you in part.

"You should get TRO: Succession Wars if you want to get into the fiction, but you have to check and make sure you get the one with all the cool designs actually included, not the first printing."

No thank you.  I've been wrestling that bear with the Alpha Strike books for too long to think that's a good idea.  A new book that covers 3039 and the prototypes between 3025 and the Invasion would be a great place to put them.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Tai Dai Cultist on 02 July 2018, 20:44:53
"You should get TRO: Succession Wars if you want to get into the fiction, but you have to check and make sure you get the one with all the cool designs actually included, not the first printing."

No thank you.  I've been wrestling that bear with the Alpha Strike books for too long to think that's a good idea.  A new book that covers 3039 and the prototypes between 3025 and the Invasion would be a great place to put them.

I agree, but not for your reasons.

I'd love seeing the nuSeens restricted to Alpha Strike books just to force players who wouldn't otherwise buy Alpha Strike books to support that brand.  I don't mind being a jerk in that way.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Pat Payne on 02 July 2018, 20:47:34
I agree, but not for your reasons.

I'd love seeing the nuSeens restricted to Alpha Strike books just to force players who wouldn't otherwise buy Alpha Strike books to support that brand.  I don't mind being a jerk in that way.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Joewrightgm on 02 July 2018, 20:48:56
Thought:  what if you update the TRO: Succession Wars, and make it available for download to those who have already bought the book, either in the CGL store or DrivethruRPG?

That way you get a nice olive branch to the existing player who own those books digitally, and make it a good jumping off point for new players?
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Sartris on 02 July 2018, 20:51:08
Creating a false sense of support for the system leading to more resources going into projects that won’t sell as well without nostalgia blackmail and hurt CGL in the end

I don’t mind being a jerk saying ****** that noise
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: cawest on 02 July 2018, 22:12:08
I would love to see the TRO clan golden age.  new art, new story, new goodness
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: JadedFalcon on 02 July 2018, 22:15:29
The solution: XTRO Succession Wars Volume 2: Every new Classic mech gets a Blazer variant.

Or wrap them all into TRO Golden Century and have the Classics modded with Clan tech weapon swaps, like the old Twycross garrison variants.

I would love to see the TRO clan golden age.  new art, new story, new goodness

Me too. And that Goliath Scorpion unit profile e-pub.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: Maingunnery on 03 July 2018, 06:29:43
Or wrap them all into TRO Golden Century and have the Classics modded with Clan tech weapon swaps, like the old Twycross garrison variants.
It would be a good opportunity to retcon those C variants so that they aren't underweight anymore.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ActionButler on 03 July 2018, 06:56:54
Creating a false sense of support for the system leading to more resources going into projects that won’t sell as well without nostalgia blackmail and hurt CGL in the end

Ultimately, isn’t that exactly what the Unseen are?

Listen, I want to see the Marauder back in print just as much as anyone else here, and I was over the moon when the when the news of the case broke last week, but lets be honest with ourselves, we could have walked away from the Unseen at any time.  TRO 3025 has more than enought units that the game objectively does not need any of the Unseen. 

Yet here we are, twentysomething years into pining for them to be reprinted because of nostalgia.  I’m not saying that we should use them to push Alpha Strike, that’s silly because Alpha Strike is a wonderful system by itself, but let’s not pretend that there aren’t a ton of people here, myself included, waiting to buy TRO: Just The Unseen And Probably An Awesome.

I would love to see the TRO clan golden age.  new art, new story, new goodness

I would definitely buy that.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: I am Belch II on 03 July 2018, 07:51:24
Didn't TRO:Golden Century get pushed back for other things first.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 03 July 2018, 08:21:53
Listen, I want to see the Marauder back in print just as much as anyone else here, and I was over the moon when the when the news of the case broke last week, but lets be honest with ourselves, we could have walked away from the Unseen at any time.  TRO 3025 has more than enought units that the game objectively does not need any of the Unseen. 
Interesting experiment I tried once.  Use Xotl's RAT tables, and reroll any number that gets you an Unseen or Unseen variant.  Force dynamics become quite interesting.  I should throw the bones again and see how it turns out this time, I lost that unit a computer or two ago.
Title: Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
Post by: PyreLight on 03 July 2018, 09:21:03
The answer to any question like this is "Money." As in it either:
1. Costs too much to do
2. Won't deliver enough money to be profitable

In this case we've talked about it before you had joined the forums, and it's #2.

Money is always an issue. Let us all r