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Title: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 16 December 2018, 22:03:25
Combat Manual Liao (https://colemaninsightsrtp-my.sharepoint.com/:b:/g/personal/jfranklin_colemaninsights_com/EZUl-yQvwo5IlwvJeR9jFJMBS0ajswQfLFgNWBV2koMI1g?e=9T6bIS)
Combat Manual Steiner (https://colemaninsightsrtp-my.sharepoint.com/:b:/g/personal/jfranklin_colemaninsights_com/EUZ5WYautFBHrdFwhCCLtiQB64RWa763A8G2NP0qHIAcVg?e=cfCjXf)
Combat Manual Marik (https://colemaninsightsrtp-my.sharepoint.com/:b:/g/personal/jfranklin_colemaninsights_com/EZHU3TSVzIxPjARD548feU8Biwoxc1HcQX7_l2Btmg9VRw?e=xh4IyL)
Combat Manual Invading Clans (https://colemaninsightsrtp-my.sharepoint.com/:b:/g/personal/jfranklin_colemaninsights_com/ESFNolTjoN9Ag63-POdvp8MBs539s93Lf5uJRZlA1vt7vA?e=NonvHA)
Combat Manual Calderon (https://colemaninsightsrtp-my.sharepoint.com/:b:/g/personal/jfranklin_colemaninsights_com/ESiij8_wfmdFnOfDihvD0ZIBnnW-5WPb-Aay3csGHLRS-A?e=Z3IaYx)
Combat Manual ComStar (https://colemaninsightsrtp-my.sharepoint.com/:b:/g/personal/jfranklin_colemaninsights_com/EeHb7TifKC5PhIvlviLoXO0B5YGzhI7cuXlI1amqLuLhvg?e=XPYGzp)


Record Sheets Combat Manual Mercenaries (https://colemaninsightsrtp-my.sharepoint.com/:b:/g/personal/jfranklin_colemaninsights_com/EY_9dh8Fm4dJrAj_TA7RxpEBb-2_3RDszJqvEtRgiqGbpQ?e=0nGuHl)
Record Sheets Combat Manual Kurita (https://colemaninsightsrtp-my.sharepoint.com/:b:/g/personal/jfranklin_colemaninsights_com/Eb344scSSatIoCmeSSxYTroBYzLN9qvBlh-SFHaGBVTWqg?e=3AOUQb)

Did this one as a fan work.
Why Lite? Because the Combat Manual series involved the work of a lot of people, and I'm only one of them.  So there's lots missing, from writing, creativity, design, layout, art (illustrations and mini painting), editing, even review.  There's no new Classic artwork.  (I know that's the only reason some of you cared!  :) ).
Title: Re: Combat Manual Liao, Lite, Beta
Post by: Daryk on 16 December 2018, 22:54:44
So... you only need AS stats?  Or are you looking for AToW?  I can do the latter...
Title: Re: Combat Manual Liao, Lite, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 16 December 2018, 22:58:09
So... you only need AS stats?  Or are you looking for AToW?  I can do the latter...

Nothing to do with AToW, sorry. 
Title: Re: Combat Manual Liao, Lite, Beta
Post by: Daryk on 16 December 2018, 22:59:01
Rog, bummer.  If you ever do need AToW work, just let me know.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Liao, Lite, Beta
Post by: NeonKnight on 16 December 2018, 23:33:25
Ooooooooo....something to do/read while at the ski hill with family this week.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Liao, Lite, Beta
Post by: Red Pins on 17 December 2018, 17:05:55
Tagged.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Liao, Lite, Beta
Post by: Hayden. on 18 December 2018, 20:17:13
Excited to dive into this later tonight! Really thrilled to see the Tikonov Free Republic get the nod!  And of course St. Ives  ;)
Title: Re: Combat Manual Liao, Lite, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 18 December 2018, 20:38:45
The Republican Guard probably should be in Steiner, but we that one is expected to be large enough to shuffle anything we could elsewhere :).
Title: Re: Combat Manual Liao, Lite, Beta
Post by: worktroll on 18 December 2018, 21:34:59
Working rhrough this, and liking it a lot. The two new formations are well thought out. I'm building minis for  Dark zage era aug battalion, and there are perfect aug lances for either - eg the Urban Lance of four Urbies and two Hetzers is now even nastier! Well done.

Any thoughts for FM:Blake Lite? ;D

W.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Liao, Lite, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 19 December 2018, 08:49:50
I haven’t even started Comstar.  Marik, Steiner, invading Clans would likely be next. In some order. And then Comstar. There as even a vague idea that invading clans and Comstar would come together with a Tukkayyid campaign. But at this point that’s probably way too much for me to even contemplate.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Liao, Lite, Beta
Post by: Hayden. on 19 December 2018, 13:14:05
The Republican Guard probably should be in Steiner, but we that one is expected to be large enough to shuffle anything we could elsewhere :).

You mean Combat Manual Ridzik, don't you?

In all seriousness, I really like the idea of the Tikonov Free Republic being in the Liao book, given the era and context. The FRA never really felt "integrated" into House Steiner*, an afterthought to be tidied away, rather than really built on; I was always a little disappointed that Ridzik couldn't make more of a go of things (hard to do from the grave, I know), after his shining moment during the invasion of the FWL.  Like so many things in BattleTech, a potentially great and certainly fun thread cut short.

*Don't get me wrong, I was very happy they got a nod in the Steiner Field Manual at all, and I felt the story surrounding them was suitable for in the context of that book.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Liao, Lite, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 19 December 2018, 13:59:05
It did help me link up some of the SCAs between who the Republican Giards used to be.
Looks like Steiner will be next.  I have a lot done of them, so maybe in the next week or two.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Liao, Lite, Beta
Post by: I am Belch II on 19 December 2018, 17:54:08
Nice job.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Liao, Lite, Beta
Post by: Red Pins on 20 December 2018, 00:35:55
...Don't have time to really look at it, but it looks interesting.  I've made a note in my fanprojects thread, as well.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Liao, Lite, Beta
Post by: Vulp on 20 December 2018, 08:29:48
Thanks very much for releasing this, great unexpected Christmas gift for this Battletech fan! The Combat Manual series has been one of my favorite lines and I was very much looking forward to collecting it.

It is interesting to see another great house, particularly the little differences in Force Composition on Page 2, such as the use of command companies at regiment level (matching the org in the other fan-man favorite Combat Support Field Manual).

The new special abilities are very interesting - Devastating Charge in particular looks fun to use.

Excited to see the series live on, and looking forward to Combat Manual Steiner!
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 21 December 2018, 14:30:33
And Steiner is done. link in original post.
Same story, I could really use more unique characters :).
Steiner includes the entire Federated Commonwealth Corps.
And... i just realized I forgot to add a definition of what the switch to RCT means. 
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: JPArbiter on 21 December 2018, 18:31:14
you really need to do Adam Steiner, and a side formation about the First Somerset.  Also no mention of Thomas Hogarth???
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 23 December 2018, 16:50:49
Marik is added to the list (in the first post).
This one was fun.  Steiner is a great faction, but their individual regiments are hard to differentiate. Marik has a lot more color (especially Purple).
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: NeonKnight on 23 December 2018, 17:46:32
Marik is added to the list (in the first post).
This one was fun.  Steiner is a great faction, but their individual regiments are hard to differentiate. Marik has a lot more color (especially Purple).

Please, please PLEASE do a Comstar/Word of Blake!
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 23 December 2018, 17:59:01
Invading Clans will be next.  Without them, Comstar pre-3055 has nobody to fight. :)
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Daryk on 23 December 2018, 18:01:11
Not out in the open, at any rate...
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Red Pins on 23 December 2018, 20:24:42
 :o

My gosh, nckestral, do you live in your parents basement!?!

This is incredible!  I can't manage 5000 words a MONTH!  Thank you so much!
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 24 December 2018, 00:09:30
I need a basement :).

A lot of the work was already done. It was in a lot of different documents and some had to be changed.  But it was mostly straightening up more than writing. And then fixing gaps that were missing.

Invading Clans is going to take me a bit longer because it’s a bigger chunk and not as much is done. I’ve also got first drafts of a lot of changes for them that I need to reread and see if anything stands out as broken.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Vulp on 24 December 2018, 09:40:31
Thanks again for putting these up - I took a quick look at Steiner and Marik last night.  Really great stuff!  I'd love to contribute some custom characters, but the next few days are going to be busy.  When you are creating special characters, are they all based on canonical references, or are some just invented as appropriate for the unit?

I was in a hurry and didn't take page numbers in my notes, but here are some note in the spirit of beta:

Steiner Combat Manual

The following units are missing at least one SPA (usually a green with None, Vet with two, etc.):

This one is fine, but if I recall it was green with three or so SPAs, could be a typo:

Some additional notes from the quick read through:

Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Pat Payne on 24 December 2018, 14:05:43
Marik is added to the list (in the first post).
This one was fun.  Steiner is a great faction, but their individual regiments are hard to differentiate. Marik has a lot more color (especially Purple).

Thanks for the early Christmas present!  :)
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 24 December 2018, 14:12:50
Thanks Vulp!  I will take a look when the visiting everybody is done :).
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Pat Payne on 27 December 2018, 04:23:44
Nckestrel -- thanks again for taking this on and getting us these manuals!  :thumbsup:

Here's a few Marik pilots taken from the old House Marik book to help fill out some of the combat commands. One thing I did do, since it wasn't explicitly called out -- for the 'mechs that had a M-variant available, I assigned that to the character, such as Marina Zuritas' Marauder -3M, to give a little more explicit factional flavor to the pilots.

Hope this helps!

Colonel Marina " Slice 'n' Dice" Zuritas 34(55)
Marauder MAD-3M 1, BM, 3, 8" 1, 3/3/1, 1, 6/6
Street Fighter, Run and Gun
Available to: Silver Hawk Irregulars -- Gryphons

MW Grady Sheen 31
Phoenix Hawk PHX-HK2M, 4, BM, 2, 10"j, 2, 2/2/1, 0, 4/4
FUEL4, IF1, LAM(30"g/5a)
Lucky(1)
Available to: 9th Marik Militia

Lt (JG) Cassandra "Sassy Cassie" Blake 28(34)
Chippewa CHP-W5, 3, AF, 3, 5a, 4/4/2/0, 3, 4/5
BOMB3, FUEL20, REAR1/-/-/-, SPC, VSTOL
Ride the Wash
Available to: 1st Marik Militia

Maj. Vic "The Ripper" Davis
Cyclops CP-10-Z, 2, BM, 4, 8", 1, 3/3/1, 2, 5/7
AC1/1/-, IF1
Tactical Genius, Oblique Attacker
Available to: 1st Regulan Hussars

Captain Dick "Diver" Dickson
Ostroc OSR-2M, 3, BM, 3, 10"j, 2, 2/2/0, 0, 5/5, ENE
Melee Master, Jumping Jack
Available to: 6th Marik Militia
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Elmoth on 27 December 2018, 05:29:06
Captain Dick "Diver" Dickson
Really??? XD
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 28 December 2018, 18:37:44
The following units are missing at least one SPA (usually a green with None, Vet with two, etc.):

Remember all Steiner commands have Wall of Steel available.  So the First Lyran Guards have three available: Wall of Steel, Overrun Combat, Banking Initiative.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Dark Jackal on 28 December 2018, 21:09:43
These are pretty cool, thank you. I did like the print quality and physical feel to the books.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 28 December 2018, 21:45:34
So I've been running across a problem with Special Command Abilities..and the Clans might be pushing me over the edge.
1) Veteran/Elites are over perhaps overcompensated. Veteran and Elite skill upgrades costs (PV) are balanced without special command abilities.  But having higher average skill ratings give you more SCAs (and therefore more bonuses). Ie. it's a free extra bonus to Veteran and Elites.
2) Sometimes the whole is better than the sum of the parts. ie. you throw a bunch of elite mechwarriors together in a new regiment, and they're not immediately great as a team.  And some regiments are particularly known for being either worst than the sum or better than the sum.  But there's no way to model that without adding special rules to each case.
3) I'm lazy.
4) it's easy to game, or be crushed, by cheap units.  I have four regular 'mechs, throw four elite infantry in there and I'm veteran so i can have three SCAs instead of two (for regular).   Or I have four veteran mechs, throw five regular infantry in there and my force is now regular.
5) I think there's too many SCAs being given (the combat manuals basically gave an extra on top of the numbers given in ASC). It's tough keeping track of all the SCAs in a game with so many.
6) calculating the average skill rating of a force (especially in standard battletech with two skills per unit) is no fun.

The clans seem to be hitting the second point hard.  So many veteran/elite clusters, and generally not as many/impressive command abilities. So going through Jade Falcon currently is really hammering home my already existing concerns.

Suggestion: SCAs beyond the first cost 5% of the PV of the entire force.  The listed experience rating for a command is used to determine the maximum number of SCAs that can be chosen.  The experience rating of your particular force isn't used.

Maximum number of SCAs a force can select, based on it's combat command's experience rating:
Green/Regular: 1 SCA
Veteran: 2 SCAs
Elite: 3 SCAs

Green forces have to take their listed SCA, even if its detrimental (environmental specialization/woods when you're finding on an airless moon). Green forces with no SCA listed have no bonus, but no possible negative either.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Daryk on 28 December 2018, 21:49:38
Not that I play Alpha Strike, but really... how "special" are SCAs if every unit has them?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 28 December 2018, 21:51:29
Not that I play Alpha Strike, but really... how "special" are SCAs if every unit has them?

Same special as having their own insignia.  Every unit has one, but they're different ones.  So they're special.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: worktroll on 28 December 2018, 23:22:18
Just want to say "Thanks! Really!" again - these are great work. Maybe some day ...

W.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 29 December 2018, 18:47:47
Ok, so I had planned on doing all Invading Clans at once, and changed my mind.  There are so many differences from the houses, and the Clans are taking me longer that I expected.  So I'm putting up the Combat Manual Clans with just the Jade Falcon touman included so far.
That way I can get feedback on the changes while I'm sorting out the other clans toumans.
It does include the Availability Lists and faction specific SCAs for the other invading clans.  It just doesn't list the Combat Commands (yet) for the other Clans.
There are no unique characters at all yet, I hadn't gotten to that for the Clans so I don't have any at all.

Combat Manual: Invading Clans, Jade Falcons alpha edition (https://colemaninsights.sharefile.com/d/s29eb4c2f96f492a8)
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: JPArbiter on 31 December 2018, 01:46:50
Are we gonna include the Davion book in here, or is there still an outside hope of getting it published?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 31 December 2018, 01:59:55
Are we gonna include the Davion book in here, or is there still an outside hope of getting it published?

I can’t include it as part of my series. Geoff wrote most of it, and it would be impossible for me to make my own version that wasn’t either copying or being trash compared to what Geoff had done. And/or ruining whatever chance we have of getting our work actually published.
Maybe at some point we all give up and decide to release it unofficially, but it’s not my right to do so unilaterally.
I have no idea what likelihood any of that has of happening (published or giving up).
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 31 December 2018, 15:16:57
Clan Wolf added to the Invading Clans Combat Manual Lite.  Same link, just redownload it.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: JPArbiter on 31 December 2018, 19:09:50
I can’t include it as part of my series. Geoff wrote most of it, and it would be impossible for me to make my own version that wasn’t either copying or being trash compared to what Geoff had done. And/or ruining whatever chance we have of getting our work actually published.
Maybe at some point we all give up and decide to release it unofficially, but it’s not my right to do so unilaterally.
I have no idea what likelihood any of that has of happening (published or giving up).

Absolutly cool. I was just curious.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 31 December 2018, 22:05:28
Here's a few Marik pilots taken from the old House Marik book to help fill out some of the combat commands.

Thanks!
CM: Marik has been updated, just download again from the same link.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 31 December 2018, 22:08:07
Some additional notes from the quick read through:
  • The explanation of what an RCT is in the Marik PDF, rather than the Steiner book (it references the LCAF, so probably just accidentally ended up in the wrong doc)
  • In "Determine Number and Assign Special Command Abilities" both Steiner and Marik books state that commands always have Hopeless Battle available.  These should probably be Wall of Steel and Independence.

Thanks!
These should all be fixed now.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 03 January 2019, 12:23:41
And Ghost Bear added to the Combat Manual: Invading Clans.
And since they feature some combat vehicle clusters, I went ahead and added the availability lists for all non-'mech units (aerospace, armor, battle armor/infantry, artillery).
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 04 January 2019, 11:52:49
Took a break from the Clans to do House Calderon, the Taurian Concordant.

Combat Manual Lite: Calderon (https://colemaninsights.sharefile.com/d/s80e3f3643f246f8b)
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: JPArbiter on 04 January 2019, 13:38:51
And Ghost Bear added to the Combat Manual: Invading Clans.
And since they feature some combat vehicle clusters, I went ahead and added the availability lists for all non-'mech units (aerospace, armor, battle armor/infantry, artillery).

Am I doing something wrong? It is still showing the jade falcon only document.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 04 January 2019, 14:01:03
Grr. No, looks like Sharefile links not just to the file, but the specific version of the file. I will have to update all the links when I’m back to my computer.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 04 January 2019, 15:12:19
All of the links in the original post have been updated. All the files were updated today.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: NeonKnight on 04 January 2019, 15:20:37
Bad news....
Calderon links to Marik :(

Also, any chance to include a REV # on the title page to ensure we have the most 'correct'?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 04 January 2019, 16:30:44
calderon fixed.

And no revision numbers till its out of beta.  too many revisions.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: DarkJaguar on 06 January 2019, 19:46:12
NcKestrel,

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like Clan Wolf -REALLY- needs to have the Strategic Command Star (4 Omnimechs, 2 ASF) called out.  Even if it's just a duplicate of the Command Lance from ASC with the requirements reworked to fit with having aerospace assets in the formation.

Other than that, the concern you made about clan forces generally having 2+ SCA's being a force multiplier is agreed upon, though your solution seems a bit erm...math-y?  Perhaps the simpler solution would be to stay away from SCA's that further grant to-hit bonuses (ESPECIALLY Walking Death.  That one is broken as hell IMHO).

One final note.  There is no mention of protomechs at all in this CMM.  Is that because it's era focused on Early Clan Invasion, or is there another reason?  Alpha Strike mentions that Protomechs will always be referred to separately, so I didn't want to assume you had just rolled them in with 'mechs.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 06 January 2019, 19:58:01
Combat Manuals only cover to 3054.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: DarkJaguar on 06 January 2019, 21:07:16
Combat Manuals only cover to 3054.

So that's why protomechs aren't mentioned.  Any comment on Strategic Command Stars?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 06 January 2019, 21:30:20
So that's why protomechs aren't mentioned.  Any comment on Strategic Command Stars?

Need time to look them over.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: mbear on 07 January 2019, 09:57:21
Sweet! Liking these a lot.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Pat Payne on 07 January 2019, 22:10:04
Hi NcKestrel:

I just had a "d'oh" moment about the Marik pilots I'd posted for you... I should have paid closer attention to "Slice 'n' Dice" Zurita's first name. Apparently it's "Martha", not "Marina" as I'd put there. I plead reading the House Marik book off of a Kindle and somehow having Counsellor Troi on my mind...
 
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 08 January 2019, 00:09:23
Hi NcKestrel:

I just had a "d'oh" moment about the Marik pilots I'd posted for you... I should have paid closer attention to "Slice 'n' Dice" Zurita's first name. Apparently it's "Martha", not "Marina" as I'd put there. I plead reading the House Marik book off of a Kindle and somehow having Counsellor Troi on my mind...

Ha! I'm sure I have worse mistakes in there...  I will fix soon :)
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 08 January 2019, 00:18:56
Updated Combat Manual: Invading Clans.  Added Clans Smoke Jaguar and Steel Viper.
The Smoke Jaguar Touman was a mess. I'm sure some avid CSJ fans will blame me for ruining it, though I did end up keeping most everything mentioned.
Yes, I know the Clans each bid 3 galaxies to invade.  And I have 5.  But I don't like the Luthien otherwise unknown galaxies being beta and delta because the cluster names don't match at all.  If I'm going to throw out that much, I might as well throw it (Luthien sourcebook) out. 
I was pretty close to doing that and just saying it was Alpha, Beta and Delta on Luthien, when I hit the Operational Turning Point Revival Trials.  It has CSJ's initial invasion bid as 11 galaxies.  Without the otherwise unmentioned Luthien galaxies, CSJ was short on galaxies. If I need more galaxies, I'd rather use already mentioned, however briefly, galaxies than make up my own. There's also a tiny Epsilon Galaxy in Objective Raids that needed fleshing out.  Thus Gamma and Epsilon became the other Luthien galaxies.  Smoke Jaguar brought in two almost completely fresh galaxies for Luthien, while rotating in some reinforcements for Alpha.  After the debacle on Luthien, Gamma and Epsilon were kicked to the curb (Gamma rather seriously, Epsilon limped along).  Leaving Alpha (with further reinforcements and with Beta and Delta) to be smashed again on Tukkayyid.

I also added a note about Clan Wolf's mixed Command Stars.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: firekite on 08 January 2019, 00:37:02
Davion in the near future ?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 08 January 2019, 07:25:22
I can’t include it as part of my series. Geoff wrote most of it, and it would be impossible for me to make my own version that wasn’t either copying or being trash compared to what Geoff had done. And/or ruining whatever chance we have of getting our work actually published.
Maybe at some point we all give up and decide to release it unofficially, but it’s not my right to do so unilaterally.
I have no idea what likelihood any of that has of happening (published or giving up).
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: DarkJaguar on 08 January 2019, 14:32:15
NcKestrel,

what do you think of this for the formation type for Strategic Command Star.  (It's basically a reworded Command Lance, so I don't have any IP rights to it.)

Quote
STRATEGIC COMMAND STAR
As the name suggests, the Strategic Command Star is a formation built around the force’s commander (or their key subcommanders). As such, this star is typically filled with the most seasoned warriors in the force.
Requirements: At least one unit in the Command Lance must be designated as either the force commander or a key lieutenant. For the purposes of building a force, these rules recommend that one unit in the overall combat force be identified as the force’s field commander, with no more than 1 sub-commanding lieutenant assigned for every 5 non conventional infantry units in the entire force. The Command Lance would then be established as the lance in which the senior force commander is assigned, but additional Command Lances can be built around the sub-commanders as well.  The force commander must be the highest skill pilot in the force, while key lieutenants may be lower in skill only compared to the force commander.
This formation must be comprised of either 4 points of 'mechs or elementals and 1 point of aerospace.  If the star is comprised of 'mechs, there must be at least two size 3 'mechs.  No 'mechs may be size 1.  In this formation, every unit must be at least skill 3. The unit designated as the commander’s unit may be any of the star’s members, except for the aerospace units.
Ideal Role: None.
Bonus Ability: Prior to the beginning of play, 2 of the non-commander points in this formation receive one of the following Special Pilot Abilities for free (each unit may receive a different SPA): Antagonizer, Blood Stalker, Combat Intuition, Eagle Eyes, Golden Goose, Ground Hugger, Marksman or Shaky Stick (see Alpha Strike Companion p. 51, 52, 52, 52, 53, 53, 54 and 56, respectively).
In addition to this, the commander’s unit receives the Tactical Genius SPA (see Alpha Strike Companion p. 57). If the Special Pilot Abilities rules are in full effect and the commander already has the Tactical Genius SPA, this ability adds a +1 modifier to the force’s Initiative roll results instead (including any rerolls made as a result of the Tactical Genius SPA).
The Strategic Command Star is treated as a 'Command Lance' for the purposes of a 'Support Lance' formation.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 09 January 2019, 13:59:11
Side track, did Record Sheets for the custom units in Combat Manuals Mercenaries and Kurita.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: firekite on 10 January 2019, 01:14:57
Sorry nckestrel, some how I missed that while reading the latest in this thread.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 10 January 2019, 06:45:30
Sorry nckestrel, some how I missed that while reading the latest in this thread.

No problem. It’s a bit complicated, so I just copied the response rather than trying to remember it :).
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 10 January 2019, 09:28:20
Clan Nova Cat added to Invading Clans.
minor update to Marik (fixing Marina/Martha, adding credits).
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 10 January 2019, 20:11:57
And Diamond Sharks!  Invading Clans all wrapped up.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: jshdncn on 12 January 2019, 11:39:40
Is there an official record sheet for the Panther CM from CM: Kurita?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 12 January 2019, 12:44:51
Not official, but it’s in the first post record sheets  Kurita. Drop jump jets to move 5/8.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: The Wayfarer on 12 January 2019, 14:39:32
Sir,

Marvelous work.  Question on the record sheets.  In CM Mercenaries (p. 53) Ismail's Alpha Strike stats read:

Archer ARC-2R-modified (Late Succession Wars).....CASE, SRM3/3/-
Archer ARC-4M-modified (Early Clan Invasion).....CASE, SRM4/4/-

Bold type added by me.  Late Succession War includes timelines up until 3049 which I suppose can include CASE.  Ismail's Archer 2-R record sheet is without CASE.....Is this just an error or are you trying to make clean calculations?  Mind you, I leave the math to those more dedicated like yourself.  Also, what program did you use to create the record sheets?

Mike
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Hussar2 on 12 January 2019, 16:41:46
First of all I must say I am amazed by this incredible work. I do humbly propose some errata:
Combat manual Liao:
Page 13 The 3rd Confederation Reserve Cavalry was disbanded 3029 and rebuilt 3052. The 5th CRC has never been disbanded. There is a minor spelling error in all unit names on this page (cavalry -calvary).
Page 15 Sian reserves should be changed to Sarna reserves. Kincade were moved from Tikonov Reserves to the Periphery Guard before 3050.
Page 25 the Cataphract 1X and 2X are missing from the late succession war list.
Page 25 the Clint 1-2R and 2-3T are missing from the late succession war list. The 2-3U is missing from the clan era list.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Hussar2 on 12 January 2019, 17:08:29
Some more errata:
Combat manual Marik:
Page 14 change Rise of Connaught to Rose of Connaught
Page 17 2nd Brigade listed twice
Page 17 Change 5th Brigade Nickname to "The Andalusia Division"
Page 21 Change 3rd Sirian Lancers nickname to "The Sothic Avengers"
We need a list of associated mercenaries
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 12 January 2019, 19:46:47
Thanks Hussar2

Clint CLNT-2-3T is on General List.  1R I have as extinct by the fourth SW.
The rest of Liao errata I put as you've suggested.

On to Marik! (And all Marik errata accepted as is..Thanks again!)
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 12 January 2019, 20:04:22
Sir,

Marvelous work.  Question on the record sheets.  In CM Mercenaries (p. 53) Ismail's Alpha Strike stats read:

Archer ARC-2R-modified (Late Succession Wars).....CASE, SRM3/3/-
Archer ARC-4M-modified (Early Clan Invasion).....CASE, SRM4/4/-

Bold type added by me.  Late Succession War includes timelines up until 3049 which I suppose can include CASE.  Ismail's Archer 2-R record sheet is without CASE.....Is this just an error or are you trying to make clean calculations?  Mind you, I leave the math to those more dedicated like yourself.  Also, what program did you use to create the record sheets?

Mike

The Ismail ARC-4M record sheet does have CASE.  The 2R is not supposed to have CASE, that's an error in CM Mercs.  He doesn't have any SL tech on it. Though I still have to replace that sheet, that's what I get for not looking at a 10 year old file before printing it.  (Shouldn't have double heat sinks, but is missing 6 more single heat sinks).

I used SSW.  Most of these were created years ago, so i went ahead and used that to finish the ones I was missing so i could print them as one document.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: jshdncn on 12 January 2019, 23:33:15
The Panther CM is on page 91 under Chu-I Akihito Fernandez. It drops the SRM launcher for what appears to be a prototype C3 Master and possibly a machine gun( not sure what else the CASE could be for).
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 13 January 2019, 00:23:26
Ah, I assumed we were talking about the ALAG Panther.
The Panther CM “drop srm+ammo, a heat sink and c3s to add c3m”.  That’s what I got in notes.  I assume the c3s means it’s based on the PNT-C.  I’ll see about making an RS for it.  The CASE in AS should probably be ENE. I don’t think we made a full RS for it, just that note, and just copied the CASE but forgot with dropping the SRM it would be ENE (though it still has CASE as it was a field refit they couldn’t remove the CASE).
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: worktroll on 13 January 2019, 00:28:29
C3M Panther! Wooohoooooo!

And again, thanks for all this, Nckestrel.

Do you see Hellion Flurry units working like Phalanx units?

Side issue - Capellan Augumented lances. Do you see them as a sub-case of Novas? Somewhat atemporal, I realise.

(And tongue still hanging out for Blake ;) )
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 13 January 2019, 00:42:57
I don't know enough about Hellion Flurry units, though my first scary though is something like the Swarm formation from CM: Kurita.

We had a boring answer for Augmented Lances that, yeah, was just a Nova, which itself is really boring.  Since it wasn't applicable to pre-3055, I booted having to think of something better.

I started on comstar, but other projects are getting in the way.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: worktroll on 13 January 2019, 00:55:02
As a side note, I raised a question with Herb, whether unarmed or lightly armed APCs counted as "units" in formations like Level IIs. His answer wasn't a declaration of canon, but he pretty much felt they could be ignored.

So for example, you could have a Level II of BA supported by Heavy APCs for organic transport, and still count that as a Level II.

Now I took things a step further in my headcanon, and made up a definition of " lightcarrier" - something with IT, and no more than 1 AS damage at short range, and no more than 0* at medium and long. Provided the light carrier had capacity to carry a designated unit, the pair count as 1 for formation building, and can use either unit's values to qualify.

So for example, the VSP-equipped Shedu is a Juggernaut. 6 Shedu Level Is can make an Assault Level II. Add 6 hover APCs, and they're still potentially an Assault formation, unless you want to use the APC's Scout designation to call it a recon formation. Obviously that has to be declared before the start of the game.

Obviously, if you're using a Palmoni or Magi UCSV ... that's a unit. Call that a "heavy carrier". A heavy carrier still counts, but can sub values for a carried unit. So  Palmoni carrying Purifier Terras can 'carry' them into an Assault Lance.

Otherwise it's botheringly difficult to get any advantages from properly combining BA and infantry into Level IIs - and a WoB without mixed Level IIs is hardly worth gnawing through the leather straps, is it?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Hussar2 on 13 January 2019, 07:28:53
Combat manual Marik:
I don't know if they merit inclusion but in 3031 there was a 4th Free World Guards unit that was promptly destroyed by the Black Widow battalion
Some missing units from Late Succession war (and probably to early clan invasion as well):
Add Zhukov Heavy Tank to both Liao and Marik
Add Brutus Assault Tank (standard, LRM, PPC, PPC 2) to Liao
Add Po Heavy Tank to Liao
Add Hermes 1A and 1B to Marik
Add Hermes II (2M mercury and 4K) to Marik
Add Trebuchet 5S to Marik
Add Catapult A1 to Liao
Add guillotine 4P to Marik
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 13 January 2019, 07:46:06
Where can I find the general list?

CM Kurita or Mercenaries.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Daryk on 13 January 2019, 08:22:00
Worktroll, that thinking fits with my head canon too.  For my game, I had said the Com Guard "fudged" their counting of a II/II formation (4 'mechs, 2 hover tanks, 2 infantry platoons, 2 combat VTOLs, plus a Heavy APC and Karnov).  They didn't count the jeeps and trucks, though...
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Major Headcase on 13 January 2019, 09:34:08
Oooo! Thanks for these!! The untimely death of the Combat Manuel series made me die a little inside.... :'(
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: jshdncn on 13 January 2019, 11:26:03
Ah, I assumed we were talking about the ALAG Panther.
The Panther CM “drop srm+ammo, a heat sink and c3s to add c3m”.  That’s what I got in notes.  I assume the c3s means it’s based on the PNT-C.  I’ll see about making an RS for it.  The CASE in AS should probably be ENE. I don’t think we made a full RS for it, just that note, and just copied the CASE but forgot with dropping the SRM it would be ENE (though it still has CASE as it was a field refit they couldn’t remove the CASE).

In that case there should probably be errata in CM: Kurita to reflect that, as well as the fact that C3M also grants TAG.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 13 January 2019, 13:03:09
In that case there should probably be errata in CM: Kurita to reflect that, as well as the fact that C3M also grants TAG.

Yes, go for it.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Hussar2 on 13 January 2019, 14:14:57
Combat manual Marik:
I don't know if they merit inclusion but in 3031 there was a 4th Free World Guards unit that was promptly destroyed by the Black Widow battalion
Some missing units from Late Succession war (and probably to early clan invasion as well):
Add Zhukov Heavy Tank to both Liao and Marik
Add Brutus Assault Tank (standard, LRM, PPC, PPC 2) to Liao
Add Po Heavy Tank to Liao
Add Hermes 1A and 1B to Marik
Add Hermes II (2M mercury and 4K) to Marik
Add Trebuchet 5S to Marik
Add Catapult A1 to Liao
Add guillotine 4P to Marik
I think I have finally finished going over the Liao and Marik late succession war availability
Add Locust 1L to Liao
Add Cheetah 11- R and 12- S to Marik
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Hussar2 on 13 January 2019, 18:52:34
Managed to look at Clan Jade Falcon.
Combat Manual Invading Clans:
page 25  Delta Galaxy After Tukkayyid lose all clusters except 2nd Jagers and 5th Battle.
Page 26 7th Talon was part of Iota galaxy during the invasion.
Page 27 looks to me that the names of the Eyrie and Solahma clusters were switched (crybabies is a much more fitting name for an eyrie cluster). I think the original Jade Falcon sourcebook is in error here.
Page 28 under 5th Talon add moved to Rho after Tukkayyid
Page 29 change Omnicron to Omicron Galaxy
Page 29-30 Phi Galaxy also gained 9th Talon before 3054. We have no information about 51th Garrison before 3057 but in 3054 was not part of Phi.
Page 30 Change Omnicron to Omicron under the 17th regulars and 4th PGC.
Page 31 Change Omnicron to Omicron under 14th Regulars (BTW is there any information about this unit except Objective Raids book?)
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 14 January 2019, 11:29:34
[Notes on CM:Marik and CM: Liao]

Thanks Hussar2!  The only one I didn't add was the Hermes HER-4K. That's a Kurita model and the MUL only lists DC.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 14 January 2019, 11:54:47
Managed to look at Clan Jade Falcon.
Combat Manual Invading Clans:
page 25  Delta Galaxy After Tukkayyid lose all clusters except 2nd Jagers and 5th Battle.
I added a note that 1st Falcon Striker (and the Eyrie and solahma clusters) returned to homeworlds to rebuild and didn't return to IS until after 3054.

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Page 26 7th Talon was part of Iota galaxy during the invasion.
I don't know where this is coming from?
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Page 27 looks to me that the names of the Eyrie and Solahma clusters were switched (crybabies is a much more fitting name for an eyrie cluster). I think the original Jade Falcon sourcebook is in error here.
I was going to say no, but yeah, the Crows sound better as a Solahma as well.  I'll go with it.

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Page 28 under 5th Talon add moved to Rho after Tukkayyid
Done.
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Page 29 change Omnicron to Omicron Galaxy
Yep.
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Page 29-30 Phi Galaxy also gained 9th Talon before 3054.
9th talon, in gamma galaxy, have a note saying that.

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We have no information about 51th Garrison before 3057 but in 3054 was not part of Phi.
I felt it had to exist before then, so have it in the homeworlds. I added a note saying it's in the homeworlds.

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Page 30 Change Omnicron to Omicron under the 17th regulars and 4th PGC.
Page 31 Change Omnicron to Omicron under 14th Regulars (BTW is there any information about this unit except Objective Raids book?)
Too tired at this point to answer questions...I have to go take a test.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Hussar2 on 14 January 2019, 12:10:42
I have never realised what a continuity nightmare the Clan invasion Falcon touman is until now.

I don't know where this is coming from?
Jade Falcon sourcebook page 41 Colmar entry
Too tired at this point to answer questions...I have to go take a test.
Have a nice nap I will try to go over more clans
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 14 January 2019, 12:12:27
I have never realised what a continuity nightmare the Clan invasion Falcon touman is until now.

It's not just Jade Falcon.  Smoke Jaguar is worse, and several others are just as bad.  I had no idea until doing this.

So seriously, thanks for looking it over.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 14 January 2019, 12:17:55
Jade Falcon sourcebook page 41 Colmar entry

by August 3050 they are already bringing up 2nd line as front-line attackers?  wow. is that a record?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Daryk on 14 January 2019, 12:26:32
I have never realised what a continuity nightmare the Clan invasion Falcon touman is until now.
*snip*

Glad to know it's not just us grognards who think the whole invasion thing was rushed by FASA.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Hussar2 on 14 January 2019, 12:33:08
Thanks Hussar2!  The only one I didn't add was the Hermes HER-4K. That's a Kurita model and the MUL only lists DC.

My bad. I mixed it up with the 2K which is a Marik model that we don't have a record sheet for.
By the way. the early clan invasion list goes to 3054?  If so we need to add a lot of 3055 designs to it For example the Snake for Liao.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Daryk on 14 January 2019, 12:38:13
The confusion is completely understandable... Sarna even cites it specifically (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hermes_II) in the Hermes II entry (under the HER-4K variant).
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 14 January 2019, 13:03:10
My bad. I mixed it up with the 2K which is a Marik model that we don't have a record sheet for.
By the way. the early clan invasion list goes to 3054?  If so we need to add a lot of 3055 designs to it For example the Snake for Liao.

It covers what happens to commands through 3054. Availability is limited to what came out 3052 or earlier.  Putting a bunch if units that came out in 3053 doesn’t really describe the early clan invasion. 
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 14 January 2019, 14:08:20
Invading clans, Marik and Liao links have been updated.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Hussar2 on 14 January 2019, 16:20:08
Lets try Clan Wolf:
page 54 4th Wolf Guards change nickname to"The Cyclops Cluster"
Page 55  According to Objective Raids 37th Stiker is not part of Delta (or listed at all). Rotated to homeworlds?
Page 55 24th Wolf Rangers Either Raised after 3052 or rotated from homeworlds after 3052
Page 55 4th Striker Didn't move to Alpha Galaxy. According to Objective Raids still part of Delta. There is 4th Wolf Guards Striker that is part of Alpha in Objective Raids. Since both are listed on the same page it seems to be a different cluster but  there is no other mention of the 4th Guards Striker (As far as I know) so I am not certain.
page 56 According to Objective Raids 7th Battle and 16th Battle are not part of Gamma (or listed at all). Rotated to homeworlds?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Hussar2 on 16 January 2019, 17:13:37
A look at Clan Nova Cat:
page 32 common enemies change Nova Cat to something else
page 32 "Special Rules: All Clan Smoke Jaguar" change to Nova cat
page 32 Nova Cat Keshik is not part of Alpha Galaxy but an independent unit
page 32  Add Galaxy comand supernova (The vision keshik)
Page 33 under 4th Nova Cat Regulars change Omnicron to Omicron
I can't seem to Find Sigma Galaxy (perhaps Beta in some sources) (Lachesis Keshik, 179th Striker, 44th Nova Cat Cavaliers That were moved to Delta After Tukayyid, The Nova Cat Lancers And Later 100th Striker and 189th Striker
Page 35 do we have any information on the 3rd Nova Cat regulars?
Is there a list of clusters for Kappa Rho and Upsilon Galaxies?
Page 36 change Omnicron Galaxy to Omicron
Page 38 change 2nd Garrison to 3rd Garrison
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 16 January 2019, 17:51:37
Beta/Sigma's in my notes, and I remember Lachesis Keshik...and you're right it's not in the there. Maybe if I squint at it just right????  (Or maybe I just need to type it in, I hate when I'm "sure" I did it, but it's clearly not done...)

I made up (all?)of Kappa Galaxy.  And most of Upsilon and Rho. One of the three had no mentions of who was in it before it was destroyed, and the other two only had one cluster mentioned for each.  So that left a lot to make up.

Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Hussar2 on 16 January 2019, 18:05:12
Beta/Sigma's in my notes, and I remember Lachesis Keshik...and you're right it's not in the there. Maybe if I squint at it just right????  (Or maybe I just need to type it in, I hate when I'm "sure" I did it, but it's clearly not done...)

I made up (all?)of Kappa Galaxy.  And most of Upsilon and Rho. One of the three had no mentions of who was in it before it was destroyed, and the other two only had one cluster mentioned for each.  So that left a lot to make up.



Are the other suggestions About Wolf and Nova Cat seem right to you?
I must say that only now I realise what a stupefyingly difficult job you have undertaken here. It's just a shame this won't be printed. I am not an Alpha Strike player and yet the Combat Manuals are such great products... 
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 16 January 2019, 18:13:57
Yeah, I think it's updated with the Wolf and Nova Cat changes you've suggested.  Unless I've said something here.

speaking of which, the original post now has the updated Invading Clans link.  (with Wolf and Nova Cat changes).
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Sartris on 16 January 2019, 23:38:30
did i miss something or did Paul Masters not get a mention in the FWL list? He was a Lieutenant in the 1st Marik Militia starting in 3030 and his custom pixie has an intro date of 3051. no idea what he drove before that.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 17 January 2019, 00:18:25
did i miss something or did Paul Masters not get a mention in the FWL list? He was a Lieutenant in the 1st Marik Militia starting in 3030 and his custom pixie has an intro date of 3051. no idea what he drove before that.

Want to suggest some SPAs for him?  Is there anything on his skills?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Karasu on 17 January 2019, 09:51:53
Can I ask whether the Shock Cavalry or Urban Combat formations are supposed to be Liao only?  Or one of them?  The other Manuals have one exclusive and one new general formation.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 17 January 2019, 10:11:11
Nope.   I mean, you can and did ask, but no neither of those are Liao only. They were going to have augmented lances as Liao only but 1) not appropriate
To pre-3055 and 2) they didn’t really do anything.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Sartris on 17 January 2019, 13:53:32
Want to suggest some SPAs for him?  Is there anything on his skills?

He was listed as elite (1p/2g) in the Twilight of the Clans scenario pack, which was set in 3059. one would have to extrapolate backwards for early clan invasion - veteran seems appropriate for AS.

As Thomas Marik's aide since the 3030s, something like tactical genius plus human TRO would seem appropriate.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Hussar2 on 17 January 2019, 16:02:45
 Not much to add about the Diamond Shark section:
Page 12 change 21st Cruiser to 21st Combined Assault
Page 15 61th Air Assault Change Sly Fox to Sky Fox
Page 15 35th cruiser. Out of curiosity why did you decide they were formed after Tukayyid?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 18 January 2019, 17:41:10
first draft of Combat Manual Comstar getting linked in the original post.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 18 January 2019, 17:59:13
Not much to add about the Diamond Shark section:
Page 12 change 21st Cruiser to 21st Combined Assault
Hmm, I think we are both wrong.  The combined part didn't come until after Tukayyid, when the 19th Heavy was folded in with them. I think I then made up 21st Cruiser as being their original name.  But I see OP Revival Trials has them as 21st Assault Cluster. So I will named them that, and add a named about the Combined part after Tukayyid.
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Page 15 61th Air Assault Change Sly Fox to Sky Fox
oops.
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Page 15 35th cruiser. Out of curiosity why did you decide they were formed after Tukayyid?
It wasn't mentioned earlier, it's still Green in FM:WC (though it could be because it was one of the ones trashed on Nyserta).  And despite statements that freeborn warriors would be more accepted after Tukayyid, the destroyed Omega cluster wasn't rebuilt and so I wanted a new one to show they were at least getting back up to normal levels.
Hmm. though it looks like I need to knock out two in 3053 for Nyserta.  Blah.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 18 January 2019, 19:14:37
pondering a new formation for ComStar (though available to all).

Mechanized [Base Formation]
Requirements: The Formation must be composed of at least three non-infantry units and at least one infantry unit. The non-infantry units must qualify for another formation, the base formation. If the non-infantry units no longer qualify for base formation bonuses, the entire Mechanized formation loses all bonus abilities.
Bonus Ability: The Mechanized formation gets the bonus ability or abilities of the base formation, but must select one SPA it does not receive.  If it would get three Speed Demon SPAs, the Mechanized version would only get two.  Two points of Lucky counts as a single SPA for this requirement. Instead, the Mechanized formation can combine fire from an infantry unit and a non-infantry unit once per turn.  Make the attack as if from the non-infantry unit, but give the attack a -1 to-hit modifier if it is also in range of the infantry unit (the infantry has a non-0 damage at the range).
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: mbear on 21 January 2019, 12:52:57
pondering a new formation for ComStar (though available to all).

Mechanized [Base Formation]
Requirements: The Formation must be composed of at least three non-infantry units and at least one infantry unit. The non-infantry units must qualify for another formation, the base formation. If the non-infantry units no longer qualify for base formation bonuses, the entire Mechanized formation loses all bonus abilities.
Bonus Ability: The Mechanized formation gets the bonus ability or abilities of the base formation, but must select one SPA it does not receive.  If it would get three Speed Demon SPAs, the Mechanized version would only get two.  Two points of Lucky counts as a single SPA for this requirement. Instead, the Mechanized formation can combine fire from an infantry unit and a non-infantry unit once per turn.  Make the attack as if from the non-infantry unit, but give the attack a -1 to-hit modifier if it is also in range of the infantry unit (the infantry has a non-0 damage at the range).

So essentially the Mechanized unit get +Infantry damage at range, and if target is within Infantry unit range it gets a -1 to hit; This costs the Mechanized unit what exactly? A single SPA or a single level of SPA?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 21 January 2019, 12:57:27
So essentially the Mechanized unit get +Infantry damage at range, and if target is within Infantry unit range it gets a -1 to hit; This costs the Mechanized unit what exactly? A single SPA or a single level of SPA?

The -1 is instead of the infantry damage.

Not sure what you mean by the last question.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: mbear on 22 January 2019, 08:55:49
The -1 is instead of the infantry damage.

Not sure what you mean by the last question.

I don't either. Yesterday sucked.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: worktroll on 22 January 2019, 15:33:30
So we have a Mechanised unit consisting of a Carnivore at medium range, and a Fa Shih squad at short.

The to-hit for a "combined attack" would be based on the Carnivore at medium range, plus all other mods, then -1 for the infantry unit.

The damage should the attack hit is still the Carnivore's medium range damage.

Correct?

Next question - the Carnivore is still at medium range, but the Fa Shih is now at long range (where it can't attack the target). Can they still perform a combined attack?

W.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 22 January 2019, 16:08:53
Yes and no. The idea is the infantry is distracting and/or providing tracer fire.

I’m not sure I like the idea, but trying to come up with something for mixed infantry and non-infantry. 
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: DarkJaguar on 22 January 2019, 19:04:55
Quote from: Combat Manual: Invading Clans Beta p.10
Nova
Requirements: Exclusive to the Clans. The Nova must be composed of five omnimechs and five battle armor units.
Bonus Ability: The battle armor units of the Nova may mount one of the Nova’s OmniMech’s at no Move cost to the OmniMech. The battle armor units of the Nova may, if they begin the turn mounted on one of the Nova’s OmniMechs, move after dismounting.

The italicised should probably be changed to...

The battle armor units of the Nova may mount one of the Nova’s OmniMech’s at no Move cost to the battle armor.

as it already doesn't cost the omnimech any move for infantry to load (It costs the infantry unit 2" to load).
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: worktroll on 22 January 2019, 19:51:39
And no apostrophe on "OmniMech's" - "Omnimechs" is plural, so that's fine ;) "Nova's" is correct - they're the Omnimechs of the Nova.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Waritec on 24 January 2019, 02:55:36
Combat Manual Liao (https://colemaninsights.sharefile.com/d/sc688e3530394e0db)


Hello guys!

Combat Manual Liao,
Page 16: Warrior House Matsukai, Special Command Abilities: Infiltrators.

No description for this SCA.

There is no such SCA in any combat manuals or "Campaign Operations".
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: DarkJaguar on 24 January 2019, 04:08:09
Quote from: Combat Manual: Invading Clans BETA lite p.9
Pounce: Units in this force that use Stand-Still movement may fire at the end of the Movement Phase. Target Movement Modifiers for these attacks are halved (round down).

If the intention isn't that the damage effects resolve during the movement phase, "may fire at the end of the Movement Phase." should probably be removed as it serves no purpose.  If the intention is that it resolves at the end of movement, then that should be made explicit.

Quote from: Combat Manual: Invading Clans BETA lite p.9
Stiff Spine: An opponent cannot use Overrun Combat or Forcing the Initiative against this force.

This could include Combat Intuition as well without being grossly overpowered IMHO.

Quote from: Combat Manual: Invading Clans BETA lite p.9
Logistics: Exclusive to Clan Wolf. With superior logistics, a Wolf force can add to one unit per formation, one of the following special abilities: SRM1/1, LRM1/1/1, IF1, FLK1/1/1, TOR1/1/1, HT1/-/- or ENE. If the unit already has this special, they can be added together as long as the total at each range is less than or equal to the base damage S/M/L at that range (compare IF to L). If ENE is added, the unit loses any SRM, LRM, IF, FLK, TOR, ART, BOMB or other ammo based special ability it possesses.

The bolded part could be rephrased as "LRM 1/1/1 (and IF1)" as the IF special uses the Long range damage of the LRM special to calculate anyway.

Alternatively, this ability may actually be more useful if it and Prepared were rolled together, and the weapon abilities were replaced with equipment abilities (AMS, PRB, ECM, etc). 

It would look something like this...

Logistics: Exclusive to Clan Wolf. With superior logistics, a Wolf force can add to one unit per formation, one of the following special abilities: PRB and RCN, ECM, AMS, CNARC, or TAG.  This Force can also reduce Warchest and Support Point costs by 10% (see Alpha Strike campaign as well as Turning Points products and other Chaos Campaign based products).

Finally..
Quote from: Combat Manual: Invading Clans BETA lite p.9
Garish Camouflage: This force receives a +3 Initiative modifier, reducing 1 each turn a unit in this force is attacked (once per turn) till it's a +0 Initiative modifier.

To make this more useful and balanced, I believe that the bolded part should read "a unit in this force is hit by an attack".

That's all I've got for now.  As always, excellent work!
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 24 January 2019, 11:17:33
Pounce: um, yeah, excellent point.  I did add apply damage effects immediately, but then removed the halved TMM. Both was too much, not applying immediately was confusing.

Stiff Spine: good idea, that was a bit weak and that's a good addition.

Logistics/Prepared: I did merge, but left the weapon abilities and did not add the AMS, PRB, RCN.  The original idea was ammo, so I did not want to remove the effects on ammo abilities. 

Garish: sure. and that does help with the original intent of ignoring "meaningless" initial turns.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 24 January 2019, 11:18:23
Hello guys!

Combat Manual Liao,
Page 16: Warrior House Matsukai, Special Command Abilities: Infiltrators.

No description for this SCA.

There is no such SCA in any combat manuals or "Campaign Operations".

You are correct, but I will have to leave it mysterious, for mysterious reasons. Sorry. 
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 24 January 2019, 11:19:52
The italicised should probably be changed to...

The battle armor units of the Nova may mount one of the Nova’s OmniMech’s at no Move cost to the battle armor.

as it already doesn't cost the omnimech any move for infantry to load (It costs the infantry unit 2" to load).

Good catch, that was written before the errata.  Though I will have to revist after AS:CE, it might change somethings up there.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 24 January 2019, 11:24:44
And a friendly reminder, I'm really looking for some help with creating unique characters.  They do not have to be existing canon characters (I expect most not to be).  Since I'm not doing fluff, there's not a whole lot to them, but a name, faction, skill, 'mech or other unit, SPAs and who they are for (affiliation).
'Mech/unit can be an already canon unit, or give me a short description of what it is (move medium lasers to front, drop LRMs for SRMs, etc). As long as it's enough I can build it, I can convert it.
Affiliation can be entire faction, or a brigade, or a specific regiment.

(Review/comments on the rest is great too! Just wanted to point out the "fun" part...)
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Sartris on 24 January 2019, 15:22:27
oh dang, i didn't realize they could be made up pilots
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 24 January 2019, 15:27:34
Yep!

And I prefer captain or lower rank.  Anything higher is almost certainly going to be demoted or not used. :)
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Sartris on 24 January 2019, 16:48:47
before I go completely ham, i'll run an example by

Late Succession Wars:
Sgt. Wayne Mitsopoulos
Regular
Bombardier BMB-10D
SPAs: Sand Blaster
13th Marik Militia

Early Clan Invasion
Lt(sg). Wayne Mitsopoulos
Veteran
Crusader CRD-5M
SPAs: Sandblaster, Cluster Hitter
13th Marik Militia
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 24 January 2019, 17:08:15
Thanks. I will probably just pick one skill and one set of SPAs per unique character.  They can have separate units (intro/upgraded), but I don’t want a separate character per era. (As in two stat blocks for one character). 
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Sartris on 24 January 2019, 17:41:49
That makes sense

Lt(sg). Wayne Mitsopoulos
Veteran
Bombardier BMB-10D
Crusader CRD-5M
SPAs: Sandblaster, Cluster Hitter
13th Marik Militia
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Xochi on 25 January 2019, 11:42:18
Name: Warrior Ezekiel Furey
Skill: Elite
'Mech: Ebon Jaguar Custom https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1a7Sp_V8DrtXvB3af9S8O_8u_BeN5lwsJP0L-VicB-lM/edit (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1a7Sp_V8DrtXvB3af9S8O_8u_BeN5lwsJP0L-VicB-lM/edit)
SPAs:  Natural Grace, Stand-Aside
Affiliation: Clan Smoke Jaguar
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Sartris on 25 January 2019, 16:37:42
one more and then i'll confine the rest to a PM

First Leutnant Bradley Macleod
Veteran
Locust LCT-1S
Hussar HSR-200-D
SPAs: Forward Observer, Terrain Master [Mountaineer]
4th Skye Rangers
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: JPArbiter on 06 February 2019, 19:32:04
Screw it.  For the Steiner one

1st Lt James P Bixby
Regular
ZEU-9s
Maneuvering Ace, Human TRO
5th FedCom Corps
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 06 February 2019, 21:59:51
I've entered all the ones previous to this post.  I haven't updated the PDFs/links yet since they're still tiny changes, but they will be in the next update.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Pat Payne on 07 February 2019, 16:18:08
I'd like to add three more to the 9th Marik Militia, all original characters (you're more than welcome to reassign them or make them Unaffiliated MechWarriors, especially if you think the 9th's roster is getting too top-heavy :) Also, I went ahead and demoted the first two pilots myself, originally the first two were each a grade or two higher in my headfanon for the unit -- Force Commander and Captain respectively)

Capt. Sandra "Corn Flake" Kellogg
Elite (2)
Dervish 6M
Tactical Genius, Oblique Attacker
9th Marik Militia

LT (SG) Marcus "Peg-Leg" Tully
Veteran (3)
Shadow Hawk 2H
Fist Fire, Jumping Jack
9th Marik Militia

LT (JG) Odysseus "Spark" Onassis
Veteran (3)
Catapult C1
Cluster Hitter, Human TRO
9th Marik Militia

(Unnecessary and non-canon fluff -- Kellogg was a batallion commander in the 9th at Vanra where they were ripped apart by Wolf's Dragoons. After the disaster, she retired from FWLM service, but was later contacted by Tully [who'd lost a leg on Vanra when his Shad blew up] to help form a new mercenary company.)
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 07 February 2019, 16:30:11
Yeah, only one per regiment.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Hairbear541 on 10 February 2019, 13:53:03
can't seem to get the link for the calderon manual to work .
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 10 February 2019, 14:48:10
Yeah, looks like several expired or something.  I've checked and updated them, they should work now.
And I'll have to see if there's a default expiration or something I'm missing.  Or move them to Dropbox.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Hairbear541 on 10 February 2019, 14:56:08
thanks for reupping  those wonky links .
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Wildfire on 16 February 2019, 17:53:32
Just a heads up the link for Combat Manual Liao comes up Invalid link.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 17 February 2019, 10:46:35
Ok, yeah, went ahead and switched all the links to Dropbox.  Hopefully they will stay now.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 28 May 2019, 15:55:08
Mods, I’m sticking this topic. Thanks.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Bedwyr on 28 May 2019, 15:56:57
Mods, I’m sticking this topic. Thanks.

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Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Bren on 19 June 2019, 23:42:05
Going over the Jade Falcon stuff ...

What's your procedure for classifying the Talon, Beak and Eye formations? They're heavy-assault, medium-heavy and light-medium stars, respectively -- but looking through the two existing Combat Manuals it doesn't look like they're allowed to be split like that.

The great majority of Falcon Elemental Trinaries have a Nova in the first star. So the way you have it tosses out a star or binary of 'Mechs in almost every Cluster. What would be the cleanest way of fixing/accounting for that?

edit
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 19 June 2019, 23:50:20
I pick one. There’s no formula or single answer. I try not to put too many light or assault commands as those are the most restrictive.  But that’s a kit it.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: mbear on 24 June 2019, 09:15:19
So essentially the Mechanized unit get +Infantry damage at range, and if target is within Infantry unit range it gets a -1 to hit; This costs the Mechanized unit what exactly? A single SPA or a single level of SPA?
The -1 is instead of the infantry damage.

Not sure what you mean by the last question.

Now I remember what I meant by the last question. Can you purchase this SPA multiple times and stack the bonuses on one particular platoon/unit?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Frantic Pryde on 20 July 2019, 10:43:36
This is awesome! Thank you for for doing this :)
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: SovietOnion on 10 September 2019, 21:13:16
Please forgive my ignorance...

In your combat manual: Steiner book many of the regiments have special command abilities of focus/X or Y. I for the life of me cannot find what that does or means. I've ctrl + F'd both of the original rule books, and judging as these were made before commander's edition (Which I don't have) I have to assume it isn't from there.

What dose a command ability of 'focus' do?
Picture for context: https://gyazo.com/be38b090e4b9f19c77cdc5310178b51a
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 10 September 2019, 21:34:12
CM Kurita p85.

Both Combat Manuals added a bunch of new Special Command Abilities that I used elsewhere.

It’s also on p105 of the Commander’s Edition.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Dahmin_Toran on 21 September 2019, 07:47:19
What is the status of the Davion book? Geoff still working on it?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 21 September 2019, 13:22:59
It’s up to CGL to decide to green light it.
Geoff has long been done with writing it.  He writes like crazy.  But it needs art, editing, layout, and somebody to agree to pay for all that.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: cielaq on 23 January 2020, 04:23:49
The Dropbox links in original post seem to be dead.
Any chance of reposting the manuals?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 23 January 2020, 23:11:23
Updated the links.
Thanks.  DropBox wanted to up my annual cost, so I dropped it instead. 
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Bedwyr on 23 January 2020, 23:31:53
Updated the links.
Thanks.  DropBox wanted to up my annual cost, so I dropped it instead.

If you use Office regularly, I'd suggest 365 as a high value replacement. 6tb* and Office updates/web collaboration for about $100 a year. $70 for 1tb.

*You have to make up multiple email addresses to gain access to the space as its a "family plan".
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Hairbear541 on 21 February 2020, 18:22:21
was just wondering if there will be any more combat manual lite in the future ? really liked those you already put out .
thanks for the hard work
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 21 February 2020, 19:26:32
Busy with other projects right now.  Finals this upcoming week and then one last class to graduate in May.  Working full time.
Chaos Campaign: Tukayyid is my major BattleTech project right now.

I wouldn’t say never, I’m particularly looking forward to being done with classes.  But I don’t have any plans currently to get back to them any time soon.

What you want for a next one?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Daryk on 21 February 2020, 19:52:15
Best of luck with finals!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Empyrus on 22 February 2020, 19:18:23
Loki and Vulture J in Invader Clans?
Arrow IV configs?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: fishfoode on 27 February 2020, 21:55:19
So I have spent the last few weeks making a set of Excel spreadsheets of the availability lists including all of the Combat Manuals, with up-to-date stats pulled from MUL. Am I allowed to post that here? It's just compiling information that is free on the MUL or in the Combat Manual Lites but I don't want to infringe on anything.

In the process I found a few mistakes (?) in the manuals. Smoke Jaguar does not have the Ebon Jaguar on its availability list, but it is in one of the standard points; Calderon mechs appear to all be duplicates from the General list, making their inclusion redundant; I could not find the "Motorized Artillery Platoon (Sniper)" from the IS General list on the MUL.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 27 February 2020, 22:22:31
Ebon Jaguar should definitely be on the SJ list. Thanks.
The artillery infantry was introduced in the CMs I believe.

The MUL website and data are owned by CGL.  I can’t give you permission to use their work.  Asking the wrong person.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Hairbear541 on 03 March 2020, 19:46:07
looking foward to the rest of the periphery CML's , whenever you get time to knock them out , they rock .
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Gooner on 05 March 2020, 08:53:14
Thanks for sharing these!
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Cyric036 on 01 April 2020, 17:24:35
Thanks for this! Just a wonderful resource. One small item I found was the Smoke Jaguar Special Command ability is listed as Fang, I think it is meant to be Unleashed?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: FenderSaxbey on 01 April 2020, 22:26:42
After getting back into the game recently primarily because of Alpha Strike, I was heartbroken to hear that there weren't plans to continue the Combat Manual series. Just stumbling across this now, and I can't thank you enough!
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 02 April 2020, 09:11:03
Thanks for the kind words. Nice to know these are useful to somebody :).

Thanks for this! Just a wonderful resource. One small item I found was the Smoke Jaguar Special Command ability is listed as Fang, I think it is meant to be Unleashed?
Definitely Unleashed. 

Loki and Vulture J in Invader Clans?
Arrow IV configs?

Yeah. I honestly don't know if I got any further with them then that general concept.  I don't think I actually did the construction or anything.  Just noted that I felt they were needed?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: pixelgeek on 06 April 2020, 11:22:02
Is the Davion book still in the works or was it halted because of the planned CGL book?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: nckestrel on 06 April 2020, 11:23:38
Is the Davion book still in the works or was it halted because of the planned CGL book?

The only Davion book in the works was the CGL one.  I've never worked on any other Davion book.
It would be practically impossible for me to not steal another person's work and make my own Davion book.
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: pixelgeek on 06 April 2020, 12:14:14
The only Davion book in the works was the CGL one.  I've never worked on any other Davion book.
It would be practically impossible for me to not steal another person's work and make my own Davion book.

Is the CGL book still in the works? I thought the entire series was cancelled?
Title: Re: Combat Manual Lite series, Beta
Post by: Sartris on 06 April 2020, 12:55:01
was

it was being worked on when the plug was pulled