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Title: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: MarauderD on 08 January 2019, 16:21:09
As a MWO Founder, I have salty mixed feelings.  Game itself looks promising. 

Thoughts?

https://mw5mercs.com/
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cyc on 08 January 2019, 16:58:35
Blake's Blood, Australian dollar crashing, ultimate is $175Aus ;/

But on contents, they really are angling to secure Founders and MWO players aren't they? Pretty light on if you are just a MW5 buyer with no MWO history.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Deadborder on 08 January 2019, 17:08:40
Also, Marauder II. Just to make things noice and confusing
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: MarauderD on 08 January 2019, 17:30:50
It isn't a Marauder party until people get confused about the Marauder II. IIC.  II C. C.

C wut I did thar?
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Jayof9s on 08 January 2019, 18:27:07
For whatever reason all the MWO addons make me less tempted to preorder. I guess I'm just that salty about how MWO monetized; you'd think I would be over it after all these years.

I'll probably do the basic package since $50 isn't bad for a full game and frankly it would have to be REALLY bad for me to not buy it or delay buying it after release. Normally I'd spend a bit more to support the series but none of the addons for higher-levels look appealing and PGI sapped any goodwill they had with me years ago. And since I don't play MWO, the highest tier would get me two in-game skins and some digital content I will look through once and forget about (knowing myself).

Edit: I'll probably still wait several months before I preorder, if I do.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Luciora on 08 January 2019, 20:10:44
I'm a lapsed founder, so i'm considering the $80 level, but pretty sure even without the MWO addons, the prices wouldn't change much for pre-order, considering tiers of other games.  Yeah a non-MWO price would be nice,  but it's still tied to the game.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cyc on 08 January 2019, 20:25:52
If a visual is easier

(https://i.imgur.com/kDWRbau.png)
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 08 January 2019, 21:00:15
Privateer maybe for me
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Caedis Animus on 08 January 2019, 21:07:13
If a visual is easier
I really want to see what makes those two skins so worthwhile. Interstellar Expeditions especially.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Euphonium on 08 January 2019, 21:20:21
For whatever reason all the MWO addons make me less tempted to preorder.

I'm with you on that. I don't play MWO, so I'd want a $40 option that doesn't include any MWO stuff since it has no value to me.

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Edit: I'll probably still wait several months before I preorder, if I do.

Same here. Unlike HBS, PGI have done nothing to earn my trust, and without that trust, I'm with House Biscuit - "We Do Not Pre-order."

edit: Also, has anyone seen anything to say if the game will be available on GoG? IIRC it's single-player only so I'd sooner have it DRM-free with a standalone installer than be stuck with Steam, or have to get some sort of PGI client
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Jayof9s on 08 January 2019, 21:44:51
edit: Also, has anyone seen anything to say if the game will be available on GoG? IIRC it's single-player only so I'd sooner have it DRM-free with a standalone installer than be stuck with Steam, or have to get some sort of PGI client

The preorder definitely gives you a steam key. Doesn't mean they won't release on GoG as well but you may have to buy through GoG if they do.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Euphonium on 08 January 2019, 21:51:02
The preorder definitely gives you a steam key. Doesn't mean they won't release on GoG as well but you may have to buy through GoG if they do.

Thank you. I think I'll skip pre-ordering for now then
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 08 January 2019, 22:15:47
Meh...I'm a sucker...I'll dive in for the cost.

It's about standard fare for costs, and I still do MWO anyways....so....
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cyc on 09 January 2019, 02:11:21
I really want to see what makes those two skins so worthwhile. Interstellar Expeditions especially.

Especially given we're talking a game that is literally asking to be modded...
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Caedis Animus on 09 January 2019, 02:24:48
Especially given we're talking a game that is literally asking to be modded...
The only thing I've seen showing us what color IE might use is... Underwhelming. And that's an odd green with red details. But that was the cover of IE3.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: pheonixstorm on 09 January 2019, 08:01:43
Anyone who still plays MWO would do well to get into this for the Marauder II if nothing else. I like the value as I still play MWO every so often but don't know about blowing $120 on the high end. Really really want to get in on the beta though. Love the vids they have put out on the game so far and if they did a demo of MP at MechCon it *should* be fairly stable.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: (SMD)MadCow on 09 January 2019, 09:36:24
As a Legendary level MWO founder, I'll wait till I can get it for $20 or less.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Nightlord01 on 09 January 2019, 10:13:38
As a Legendary level MWO founder, I'll wait till I can get it for $20 or less.

I'm not quite at this level, but I'm pretty close.

My plan for MW5 is to buy four copies so my family can all play together in coop, I stopped playing MWO years ago, and every time I try to go back I just can't be bothered. So the MWO stuff means nothing to me, but I like the concept of MW5 enough that I will buy it for retail price.

Never going through an early access program again though, I'm not going to wear out my enthusiasm for a game in beta. I'll wait until it's what it should be before I actually play. Even if I buy one pre-order (it's kind of a tradition), I won't play until release.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: IAMCLANWOLF on 15 January 2019, 16:39:01
I'm not quite at this level, but I'm pretty close.

My plan for MW5 is to buy four copies so my family can all play together in coop, I stopped playing MWO years ago, and every time I try to go back I just can't be bothered. So the MWO stuff means nothing to me, but I like the concept of MW5 enough that I will buy it for retail price.

Never going through an early access program again though, I'm not going to wear out my enthusiasm for a game in beta. I'll wait until it's what it should be before I actually play. Even if I buy one pre-order (it's kind of a tradition), I won't play until release.

Much wisdom spoken here. I found myself agreeing with everything you just said.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: slh on 15 January 2019, 17:46:27
I'm looking forward to the game; I hope it's great, and I'm looking forward to playing it when it comes out.  I don't play MWO, so the pre-order MWO parts aren't of any value for me.  And while HBS impressed me and inspired trust, I can't say the same for PGI.  So while I spent (more than the Merc level) on HBS' kickstarter, I'm not motivated to go in on this pre-order.  I'm still looking forward to the game (myomers crossed for a good release).

Edit: Watching this video just now, I get that "Community" Edition is really "MWO Community" Edition, thus all the MWO bonuses.  So I understand now why it's not appealing to me -- I'm not the intended audience for this pre-order.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26l_9VJUq9s  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26l_9VJUq9s)
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cyc on 18 January 2019, 16:31:41
PGI now offering the ability to upgrade if you wish - https://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/271352-mw5-mercenaries-pre-order-upgrades-now-available/ - ie click on your MW5 profile and select the Upgrade desired.

Also non-MW5 attached Marauder II preorder up as well.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cyc on 19 January 2019, 02:45:45
And Centurion with the exclusive patterns:
(https://puu.sh/CyNO9/f7a8344aca.jpg)
(https://puu.sh/CyNN8/24958c3b24.JPG)
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: (SMD)MadCow on 19 January 2019, 03:06:10
Oh hey, they didn't re-use the PC Gamer skin again  :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: mechnut450 on 12 March 2019, 20:45:15
I got the  basic version  as I just got back to working, I be shot 3 times if wife finds out lol....   I just hope that it,  they make a option for a non steam download too cause i love to put it on a system later that not tied to net access.. ( like a media  pc that I would use to play movies or load with a emulators and play old school  games on the tv lol..
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: IAMCLANWOLF on 13 March 2019, 15:28:24
If I had the cash, I would have already ordered the basic option. Hopefully soon. Co-op has tons of potential, and I can no longer curb my enthusiasm. 
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cyc on 21 March 2019, 18:29:31
MW5 Community Pre-Order ends April 30th and PGI is back for sweetners - if you've already pre-ordered you already get.

(https://static.mwomercs.com/img/news/media/a204bc402cbd2d1f5cacfe0ba9217210.jpg)

https://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/272517-mw5-community-pre-order-bonus-mwo-mech-loadouts/
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 21 March 2019, 20:08:26
Aw yeah!

Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 21 March 2019, 20:55:11
When do these get introduced? After April?
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 21 March 2019, 21:19:00
When do these get introduced? After April?

Says MAY 21st in the pic I posted
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: pheonixstorm on 21 March 2019, 21:50:06
Good spread but wish they had at least 1 light or medium in that mix.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 21 March 2019, 22:55:37
Right now, there like tons of Assault Mechs in use right now.  Its like a Steiner Scout company sometimes.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cyc on 21 March 2019, 22:58:12
Good spread but wish they had at least 1 light or medium in that mix.

Can you repeat, I can't hear you over the CLANBUSTER KING CRAB
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Caedis Animus on 22 March 2019, 20:03:08
How odd that a Dark Age Catapult was used.

Also, I'm supremely irritated that the King Crab SPLITS THE FREAKING MISSILE HARDPOINTS. Here I was hoping for an IS equivalent of the Scorch, and NOPE, we get a Scorch with balancing issues.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Empyrus on 23 March 2019, 03:30:49
How odd that a Dark Age Catapult was used.
CPLT-C2 does originate from MWDA but given its relatively low-tech nature (by the Dark Age) and model number, its introduction is set in 3062. So it is usable for MWO.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 23 March 2019, 09:51:22
How odd that a Dark Age Catapult was used.

How So?

As per the MUL the Catapult CPLT-C2 is a 3062 mech


http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5452/catapult-cplt-c2
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Caedis Animus on 23 March 2019, 12:57:53
How So?

As per the MUL the Catapult CPLT-C2 is a 3062 mech


http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5452/catapult-cplt-c2
And as per Sarna, it's a Dark Age unit.

I rarely look at the MUL, and sometimes that's a problem, like now.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 23 March 2019, 13:56:09
And as per Sarna, it's a Dark Age unit.

I rarely look at the MUL, and sometimes that's a problem, like now.

Ah, well, Sarna is not official and should never be taken as such ;)

But....looking at Sarna, it States:

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CPLT-C2
    This Civil War era variant is built using a Hollis Mk. III Endo Steel chassis and powered by a Magna 260 extralight engine, using the saved weight to make the C2 a dedicated long range 'Mech.

And looking at the Hyper Link for Civil War:

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The Federated Commonwealth Civil War (otherwise known as the FedCom Civil War, or simply FCCW for short) was one of the most devastating wars to take place in the Inner Sphere. It lasted from 3062 until 3067...

Ar you sure you are not confusing with the K2K variant?

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CPLT-K2K
    A Dark Age upgrade to the K2 Catapult, the K2K model upgrades the engine to an extralight model.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cache on 23 March 2019, 15:50:48
Ar you sure you are not confusing with the K2K variant?
Well... there is this mini that kind of points to a new look: http://ironwindmetals.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=9878

Though I don't know of a BT publication that shows that artwork, the mini did make it through official channels.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Empyrus on 23 March 2019, 16:57:31
Sarna lists the mech as Dark Age unit because it originates from MWDA but that's all. But it ain't canon, whereas MUL is fully canonical.
For whatever reason, the MWDA CPTL got new looks (that happened with MWDA), and it took quite long to get that in metal. But art is just art, the mech's intro date is most certainly defined as it is due to its stats. Indeed many MWDA variants have been given rather early introduction dates.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Deadborder on 23 March 2019, 17:34:07
And the amusing part is that three of four of them are chassis I'd wanted to try (The fourth is one I own, so...)
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cache on 23 March 2019, 18:41:20
Sarna lists the mech as Dark Age unit because it originates from MWDA but that's all.
After digging a bit, the first BattleTech record sheet published back in 2003 was in RS:MWDA1, listed as tech level 2/3132. That is most likely why it was listed as Dark Age.  Also, looks like someone updated Sarna yesterday with the TRO3050U info.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Caedis Animus on 23 March 2019, 20:05:29
Ah, well, Sarna is not official and should never be taken as such ;)

But....looking at Sarna, it States:

Ar you sure you are not confusing with the K2K variant?
100% sure I wasn't confused, considering that the update that changed it to the proper era was written on March 21st 2019 and the last time I had looked at the Catapult page was on roughly March 20th 2019.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Catapult&diff=519590&oldid=519377 (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Catapult&diff=519590&oldid=519377) - Link to the edit history of March 21st.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 23 March 2019, 20:46:33
Ah...well, as I stated, I don't use Sarna that much.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Empyrus on 24 March 2019, 01:57:16
After digging a bit, the first BattleTech record sheet published back in 2003 was in RS:MWDA1, listed as tech level 2/3132. That is most likely why it was listed as Dark Age.  Also, looks like someone updated Sarna yesterday with the TRO3050U info.
I suspect the writers of that record sheet product didn't think too closely about the dates, instead used dates when the 'Mechs first appeared in MWDA. The CPLT-C2 is in the first MWDA novel, set in 3132, though considering the setting at that point, it seems implausible a small militia (its user in the novel) would have a brand new 'Mech.
The date as added in MUL is much, much more sensible.


And all this MWDA talk makes me sad that it is unlikely we'll ever get a Mechwarrior game set during that time. So many cool 'Mechs and a lot of tech...
Though i suppose that if MWO goes long enough, they will start adding later 'Mechs too. But then again the fact they're making MW5 and it being set in 3025-3049 (and the inevitable Clan Invasion DLC/expansion/sequel if it does well enough commercially) makes me think they'll focus on 'Mechs available on that era as much as possible to maximize amount of shared assets.

Also gotta say i'm supremely disappointed in MW5 pre-order bonuses. Early access or betas are not my thing (prefer to play something more polished), and all the other bonuses relate to MWO, which i stopped playing. My last attempt was last spring, the new city map's performance put me off the game along with its continued issues and unfulfilled promises (i'm a founder).
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Euphonium on 24 March 2019, 06:12:21
Also gotta say i'm supremely disappointed in MW5 pre-order bonuses. Early access or betas are not my thing (prefer to play something more polished), and all the other bonuses relate to MWO,

Gotta say, I'm not a fan of pre-ordering, but I would have considered it if the "Community Pre-Order" was aimed at the BattleTech community as well as the MWO community. It gives me the impression that PGI aren't interested in selling to people outside of existing MWO players.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Empyrus on 24 March 2019, 07:09:00
Gotta say, I'm not a fan of pre-ordering, but I would have considered it if the "Community Pre-Order" was aimed at the BattleTech community as well as the MWO community. It gives me the impression that PGI aren't interested in selling to people outside of existing MWO players.
More like they're just trying to get people to play MWO. Mechwarrior used to be relatively big but they were largely single player games. So, they make MW5 but by offering MWO stuff, they're hoping people who've so far skipped MWO would try it if they got bunch of stuff to start with.

Reckon pre-order bonuses relating to HBS' Battletech or tabletop Battletech might have been tricky to arrange. Probably not impossible but quite possibly not worth it. (HBS BT kickstarter did have tabletop BT stuff but that might have been easier to arrange since they were there as backer rewards, and those include variety of stuff anyhow.)
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 24 March 2019, 07:30:31
Also another revenue stream opens up.  If sells well, they will keep things going so they can make more games and possibly get MWO out of it's current stuck situation where not making anything significantly different.  At least to me.

They could finally open up to other things like like multi-vehicle warefare, add maps they couldn't have due to cost.

Also maybe finally change the code, unless their stuck forever using Microsoft's engine. I heard they were stuck using it if they wanted to make MWO.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: mechnut450 on 24 March 2019, 07:49:36
well I ordered the mw5 early ( before the new mechs added for mwo) I was a low level founder, I have not gotten to play much of anything in the last 3 months between pc going down ( took time to figure what was wrong since i was working so much and never got to spend time tinkering on it.) and now working (in new position and that training and with spring on me I have been getting equipment ready for grass cutting) i got 2 other games I not even gotten to try to play that I got free with my video card, I only had time to download the games I not even had time to read or start them. I am only upset the perineum time is active as i not even loaded MWo and I think it already expired the time bonus lol
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Empyrus on 24 March 2019, 09:34:20
Also maybe finally change the code, unless their stuck forever using Microsoft's engine. I heard they were stuck using it if they wanted to make MWO.
MWO uses CryEngine 3 and has from the beginning.
MW5 uses Unreal 4.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: DarkSpade on 24 March 2019, 09:39:53
these preorder bonuses feel like they're more interested in getting me into MWO than MW5.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: slh on 24 March 2019, 11:01:46
these preorder bonuses feel like they're more interested in getting me into MWO than MW5.

When the pre-order announcement first showed up, I was annoyed that it only offered MWO-related bonuses, and that didn't seem very "Community" to me (I'm not an MWO player).  A little bit later I read some post or watched some video where I recall Russ saying explicitly "MWO Community".  I think part of the problem is that they worded/advertised it poorly, saying only "Community", and left the "Battletech Community" and "Mechwarrior Community" feeling left out.

My impression then is that the pre-order program was created intentionally to bring in money from their *existing customers* ("MWO Community"), not to bring in new customers ("Battletech Community", "Mechwarrior Community").

And I imagine that, maybe later, there might, maybe, be pre-orders designed to bring in new customers (eg with bonuses related to the actual game).

But it does still leave me also with the impression that PGI isn't thinking very much about potential new customers.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: MoleMan on 24 March 2019, 18:29:31
Perineum time is a great typo
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cache on 24 March 2019, 19:16:51
these preorder bonuses feel like they're more interested in getting me into MWO than MW5.
MWO bonuses are something they can control, easily. Any cross-over bonuses with BattleTech (ours or HBS') would not be in their control, and thus, much more difficult to manage. Perhaps they'll add some crossover bonuses, but for not it looks like they're going the easy-to-manage route.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: DarkSpade on 24 March 2019, 19:45:09
MWO bonuses are something they can control, easily. Any cross-over bonuses with BattleTech (ours or HBS') would not be in their control, and thus, much more difficult to manage. Perhaps they'll add some crossover bonuses, but for not it looks like they're going the easy-to-manage route.

Or maybe some decent bonuses for the game they're trying to get me to preorder?
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Nightlord01 on 30 March 2019, 06:34:44
Or maybe some decent bonuses for the game they're trying to get me to preorder?

Much harder to do this, what exactly can they do? Maybe a new paint scheme, maybe a new mech, don't know.

I get the feeling this this bonus is more to get MWO players to buy MW5 Mercs than anything else.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 30 March 2019, 07:36:08
I get the feeling this this bonus is more to get MWO players to buy MW5 Mercs than anything else.
Essentially.

They have huge audience, they need cash to advertise and pay for MW5 itself.  Quickest way is to get known friendly audience, MWO community.  If you add stuff to that, they'll even more want to play.  New new players, who hadn't done MWO, would get incentive to play MWO because some swag they get for joining.

Depending on how MW5 is, how long content is, how many hours of game play there is. Giving more for the self-sustaining MWO, helps retain newer players from MW5 who want more.   It takes time make stuff, for games.  I noticed there less hours play on some of them unless they resort to trickery.   Having MWO is good idea once MW5 runs out missions to do.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Euphonium on 30 March 2019, 19:08:09
Having MWO is good idea once MW5 runs out missions to do.

Having tried MWO I'd rather play MW5 twice or go back to something different, but I get what they're hoping for.

Unless they come up with a really convincing offer for non-MWO players I'm not going to gamble on a pre-order from a company I consider unproven.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Jayof9s on 30 March 2019, 20:13:19
Unless they come up with a really convincing offer for non-MWO players I'm not going to gamble on a pre-order from a company I consider unproven.

I mean, I'll probably get the base-level preorder. It's a MechWarrior game. Yeah, they may screw it up just like they screwed up every monetization choice they made with MWO but I'll still give it a try.

The MWO addons do nothing for me but frankly I'd prefer they just keep the basic pre-order, rather than have them add a bunch of pre-order only bullshit DLC in the game just to sell the higher-level packs.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: IAMCLANWOLF on 09 April 2019, 10:29:04
Broke down and pre-ordered yesterday. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 09 April 2019, 13:16:59
I was reading news on Ars Technica , their a behind scenes for MW5: Mercs. (http://video.arstechnica.com/watch/war-stories-mechwarrior-5-mercenaries)

It was interesting to watch, has anyone seen it?
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Sartris on 09 April 2019, 13:31:24
i've been a late adopter of MW games since MW3. probably won't pick this one up until after it gets discounted unless the response is overwhelmingly positive
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: packhntr on 09 April 2019, 15:41:31
I'm on the fence....love MW4....and 3.  Liked MWO when it came out.  HOWEVER, the way they've nerfed everything over the last 8 months, I really don't care for the game much anymore.  It's been completely catered to the people who only like to rush in and brawl.  Strategy is completely gone.  It's just become another first person shooter.  I am afraid that MW5 will go the same route.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Luciora on 09 April 2019, 16:52:52
Considering it's a PVE only game, I don't think there will be balance nerfs.

I'm on the fence....love MW4....and 3.  Liked MWO when it came out.  HOWEVER, the way they've nerfed everything over the last 8 months, I really don't care for the game much anymore.  It's been completely catered to the people who only like to rush in and brawl.  Strategy is completely gone.  It's just become another first person shooter.  I am afraid that MW5 will go the same route.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Caedis Animus on 09 April 2019, 19:30:00
I'm on the fence....love MW4....and 3.  Liked MWO when it came out.  HOWEVER, the way they've nerfed everything over the last 8 months, I really don't care for the game much anymore.  It's been completely catered to the people who only like to rush in and brawl.  Strategy is completely gone.  It's just become another first person shooter.  I am afraid that MW5 will go the same route.
Funny, the LRM and lock-on nerf was enough to get me back into the game. Because I was sick of dealing with teammates who sat still and LRMed from 1K meters back and claimed to be 'strategically' useful despite being more a hindrance than a help.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: packhntr on 24 April 2019, 09:54:50
Funny, the LRM and lock-on nerf was enough to get me back into the game. Because I was sick of dealing with teammates who sat still and LRMed from 1K meters back and claimed to be 'strategically' useful despite being more a hindrance than a help.

I would do this on occasion.....map dependent. Generally, I would get 450-650meters out and rain then move, rain then move. I avoided all close in combat as I wasn't designed for it in the mech I ran. My biggest gripe is the lock on nerf ant the variable firing arcs now. I have plastered friendlies with a full volley of missiles too many times due to the firing arc changing. Fortunately, it was close enough that it did no damage.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: packhntr on 06 May 2019, 09:53:11
Well, I broke down and did the pre-order.  Hopefully they don't screw it up like they have MWO.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Burning Chrome on 22 May 2019, 18:08:07
I would be interested in a pre-order if PGI was going to add new related era mechs like the Ostroc or Ostsol...and you get the mech for both MWO and MW5...
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 26 May 2019, 07:28:16
Maybe their resources are tied into one thing at time. They don't seem to come out with alot mechs.

I get feeling their not in hurry to fill in old classic mechs like Ostroc & Ostsol.  I think their more likely introduce stuff like the Hauptman.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Luciora on 26 May 2019, 09:53:42
Maybe for MWO, they can't yet for MW5. It's set far too soon.  I'll be a little disappointed if the starting roster is only what's been released in MWO, with no MW5 exclusives.  Kind of like the Hatchetman for HBS.

Maybe their resources are tied into one thing at time. They don't seem to come out with alot mechs.

I get feeling their not in hurry to fill in old classic mechs like Ostroc & Ostsol.  I think their more likely introduce stuff like the Hauptman.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 26 May 2019, 19:34:03
Maybe for MWO, they can't yet for MW5. It's set far too soon.  I'll be a little disappointed if the starting roster is only what's been released in MWO, with no MW5 exclusives.  Kind of like the Hatchetman for HBS.
Sorry i got confused which game w were jabbering about. I was using my phone.  xp 
I wish they sort out the physical attack thing with MW5. 

Have they finalized what is going be in the game or there going be more added?
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Caedis Animus on 26 May 2019, 20:31:51
Sorry i got confused which game w were jabbering about. I was using my phone.  xp 
I wish they sort out the physical attack thing with MW5. 

Have they finalized what is going be in the game or there going be more added?
This is PGI we're talking about. We won't hear much more until it is less than a week out.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Hammer on 25 July 2019, 12:38:53
Breaking news.

https://mw5mercs.com/news/2019/07/9-development-update

Epic Game Store exclusive.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Dies Irae on 25 July 2019, 12:43:32
Walp. I guess this just means I'm not playing MW5.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Luciora on 25 July 2019, 12:47:03
Wow, that's just not good news.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: PsylockeSmythe on 25 July 2019, 12:52:38
Not good; and off my purchase when it comes out list.

Psy
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: MarauderD on 25 July 2019, 12:54:55
Breaking news.

https://mw5mercs.com/news/2019/07/9-development-update

Epic Game Store exclusive.

Gents,

I don't play too many other video games, but I notice that people REALLY dislike Epic Games store.  Can someone share with me why this is a big deal?  I never wanted to download Steam, but I use it to launch HBS' BattleTech.  Is this not just another launcher?

Sorry for being so uninformed!  Let me know why this bothers you all.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 25 July 2019, 13:03:25
I'll be honest here...my whole response is...'meh'

So it's Epic Games. Not seeing a reason to tear me hair out. after all. I have STEAM, and ORGINS, and other stores.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Sartris on 25 July 2019, 13:04:23
for me it's sort of like streaming services

i've got netflix, hulu, and amazon prime video. even if cost weren't an issue, i don't want to have to go in a dozen directions to find the content i want

with games i've already got gog, steam, and my nintendo hardware. same deal. launch exclusives will show up eventually on other services, especially AAA titles that i refuse to pay full price for in the first place so getting it in that window doesn't matter to me. permanent exclusives? well, i've already got plenty of games i haven't even played yet.

so for me it's nothing specific about epic, it's just they came to the party late and i don't want what they're trying to sell me.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: ssfsx17 on 25 July 2019, 13:05:27
Gents,

I don't play too many other video games, but I notice that people REALLY dislike Epic Games store.  Can someone share with me why this is a big deal?  I never wanted to download Steam, but I use it to launch HBS' BattleTech.  Is this not just another launcher?

Sorry for being so uninformed!  Let me know why this bothers you all.

1. The feature gap is extremely large. Just a quick example: the EGS launcher does not have a shopping cart feature.
2. Several games have been announced for Steam, then suddenly jump to EGS because they were paid hundreds of thousands of dollars or more. Fans of those games see this as betrayal. They backed games on Kickstarter with the expectation of Steam. Quick example: Tetris Effect requires SteamVR, yet is an EGS exclusive.
3. People take issue with various statements made by the head of Epic.

As for me - I was originally waffling about whether to figure out how to get Mechwarrior 2 working, or just wait for MW5. I now have my answer. The answer is to go back to MW2.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: slh on 25 July 2019, 13:05:39
Gents,

I don't play too many other video games, but I notice that people REALLY dislike Epic Games store.  Can someone share with me why this is a big deal?  I never wanted to download Steam, but I use it to launch HBS' BattleTech.  Is this not just another launcher?

Sorry for being so uninformed!  Let me know why this bothers you all.

I haven't been keeping up with it personally myself; here's what I read about it:

https://www.polygon.com/2019/4/5/18295833/epic-games-store-controversy-explained (https://www.polygon.com/2019/4/5/18295833/epic-games-store-controversy-explained)

https://kotaku.com/why-people-are-so-mad-about-the-epic-games-store-1833848770 (https://kotaku.com/why-people-are-so-mad-about-the-epic-games-store-1833848770)
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Thorvidar on 25 July 2019, 13:07:46
The Reason people dont like it is is simple. Many of us are tired of having multiple Launchers. Thats one reason. I prefer steam as it is a more fleshed out Store front and is consumer friendly at least compared to many of the other launchers out there. Another reason is that Steam is not very invasive of your computer, Spyware some would say. Epic is known to have a Launcher that is not fleshed out, does not even have a Cart to put more then one item in. Also it has some really nasty Chinese Spyware that runs in the background, pulling out information from all over your system. It looks into your steam account, netflix account, etc... so many people are understandably not too happy to have such things running on their computer.

Also that Epic is not consumer friendly. They have been buying out Exclusive games for their launcher. At least 5 other hyped games that I know of off the top of my head. I will not support such practices, nor will a support a company like PGI who lied and said I would have a Steam copy of the game. I pulled my Refund and Now ask that CGL remove them from the list of Strech goals for the Clan invasion. I will not support or promote such a company with my money.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Empyrus on 25 July 2019, 13:12:48
Pgi can ****** off. No MW5 for me.
Egs is not the issue, exclusivity is, lemme choose my platform.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: MarauderD on 25 July 2019, 13:13:09
I haven't been keeping up with it personally myself; here's what I read about it:

https://www.polygon.com/2019/4/5/18295833/epic-games-store-controversy-explained (https://www.polygon.com/2019/4/5/18295833/epic-games-store-controversy-explained)

https://kotaku.com/why-people-are-so-mad-about-the-epic-games-store-1833848770 (https://kotaku.com/why-people-are-so-mad-about-the-epic-games-store-1833848770)

Thanks for the links!  I'm not bothered.  Still looking forward to MW5.  Maybe me and NeonKnight will co-op a campaign and tell you all if it is worthwhile!
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: MarauderD on 25 July 2019, 13:17:08
I pulled my Refund and Now ask that CGL remove them from the list of Strech goals for the Clan invasion. I will not support or promote such a company with my money.

I totally respect your opinion. 

That being said, there is approximately 0.0% chance CGL will remove MW5, an extremely lucrative tie-in to the franchise from their stretch goals.  That just won't happen.  The more successful HBS' BattleTech and PGI's  MW5 are, the more success CGL hopes to spin into tabletop BattleTech.  There is just too much cross pollination.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 25 July 2019, 13:31:11
But (and I could be wrong here) you don;t pay for EPIC GAMES, you pay for the actual game, so does it matter how you access it?
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Maingunnery on 25 July 2019, 13:34:42
I will just wait until it is on steam or on disk, I am in no hurry.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Talen5000 on 25 July 2019, 13:36:19
But (and I could be wrong here) you don;t pay for EPIC GAMES, you pay for the actual game, so does it matter how you access it?

Given the allegations of spyware levied against the launcher, some would say "yes"

I realise that Epic says we have nothing to fear, just as I realise such attempts at brushing them away have, in the past all too often turned out to be false.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: IAMCLANWOLF on 25 July 2019, 13:48:48
...so does it matter how you access it?

Absolutely.

I was told steam access when I forked-over my cash.
All my friends are on steam. Where over 90% of the games we play are all docked.
I was looking forward to MW:5 precisely to play with friends.
"Oh hey, Tim is online. Maybe we can get in a drop or two?"

I want to be furious, but... I expected as much from PGI.
Same ole.
I was crushed when METRO Exodus left steam, and gave up on ever playing.
Seriously considering dropping my MW preorder now.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 25 July 2019, 13:51:50
Absolutely.

I was told steam access when I forked-over my cash.
All my friends are on steam. Where over 90% of the games we play are all docked.
I was looking forward to MW:5 precisely to play with friends.
"Oh hey, Tim is online. Maybe we can get in a drop or two?"

I want to be furious, but... I expected as much from PGI.
Same ole.
I was crushed when METRO Exodus left steam, and gave up on ever playing.
Seriously considering dropping my MW preorder now.

well, that's fair....sadly. my Steam Friends list for people I play with has shriveled into the single digits...Zero counts as a single digit right?
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: IAMCLANWOLF on 25 July 2019, 13:53:52
Sorry man... I would have been happy to add you!!
And, in fact imagined dropping with friends here, too.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: SapphireWolf on 25 July 2019, 14:11:50
*rage intensifies*
Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?! :flame:
This is just unbelievable that MW5 is an Epic Store exclusive.  >:(
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Dmon on 25 July 2019, 14:36:53
But (and I could be wrong here) you don;t pay for EPIC GAMES, you pay for the actual game, so does it matter how you access it?

At this stage I have been using steam for about 10 years and pretty much my entire game library for that period is in steam and I have never had a single problem. Why would I want to move to a different service at all never mind one that from what I have read on the net offers much less functionality and funnels my data to China?
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: mechnut450 on 25 July 2019, 15:07:12
sucks for sure as i have only 1 other epic game|(not played it due to work and such)..  i just turn my epic launcher off and only on when i need to use it...
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: YingJanshi on 25 July 2019, 17:25:03
Breaking news.

https://mw5mercs.com/news/2019/07/9-development-update

Epic Game Store exclusive.

Welp. There goes any idea of me playing MW5.

(I'm firmly in the camp of Epic's launcher never touching my system.)
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: PyreLight on 25 July 2019, 17:46:49
It'll be out on other launchers a year later, so don't fret.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Jayof9s on 25 July 2019, 18:04:08
Another big letdown is that MW5 had promised support for modding, via the Steam workshop (for sharing and easily managing any you have downloaded) while Epic does not have anything comparable. Which likely means that whole promise will drop away. At best, it just means organizing and finding mods will be more annoying. At worst it means they're dropping easy support for mods entirely.

Either way, I've waited over 17 years for a new MW game, I can wait another year.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: DarkSpade on 25 July 2019, 18:30:06
This doesn't surprise me.  We knew PGI has been in need of cash so i doubt epic had to work really hard to convince them and the fact that they'll keep a large percentage makes it a no brainer for them.   

With how often this has happened recently, I'm surprised Valve hasn't raised developer shares yet.  Maybe they're expecting the bad will toward epic will be enough?  Clearly not the case so far.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Empyrus on 25 July 2019, 18:38:06
Valve raises dev shares in certain cases, though it is mostly limited to bigger sellers AFAIK (after all, bigger sellers have more leverage).
But the argument that Epic's better due to dev shares is BS. Devs who sell on Steam can generate keys and sell them on their own page for 100% profit, a feature absent from EGS at the moment. GoG takes 30% cut and apparently has issues staying up, though they did invest heavily in R&D regarding the platform. If Epic didn't have Fortnite money, they couldn't stay up with that mere 12% cut.. or at least wouldn't be offering as many features as Steam, not to mention not having money to invest in VR and stuff like Steam Wallet cards that actually cost Valve more than they're nominal value is, they're effectively subsidizing access to Steam for regions that don't use debit or credit cards really paid for by that cut.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 25 July 2019, 18:52:43
It'll be out on other launchers a year later, so don't fret.
Well there screwed. So am i. Paid with a gift card so im utterly screwed.
I cant be refunded. Unless they can transfer it when game comes out next year..
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Jayof9s on 25 July 2019, 18:55:52
Well there screwed. So am i. Paid with a gift card so im utterly screwed.
I cant be refunded. Unless they can transfer it when game comes out next year..

I saw someone else posted (not here) a response from PGI that their "original method could not be refunded" but offered to refund it to a paypal account if they had one. Possibly for a similar situation. Doesn't hurt to request it.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 25 July 2019, 19:00:44
On top that. The game delayed till December because Epic's screwing everyone. (https://www.polygon.com/2019/7/25/8930718/mechwarrior-5-mercenaries-delayed-december-epic-games-store-exclusive)
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Jayof9s on 25 July 2019, 19:10:47
I don't think it's delayed because of epic, I think it's just delayed (from the old 9 month delay to 12 months) because PGI is about as good at making games as they are at attracting and retaining customers.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Terminax on 25 July 2019, 19:28:09
When they come to Steam, I'll get into it them. Shame.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 25 July 2019, 19:34:27
I don't blame PGI. Who would've known when they started working on MW5 YEARS ago that Epic's investors would pull this crap.

Not i truly think this will bode well the company.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: PyreLight on 25 July 2019, 20:11:46
Another big letdown is that MW5 had promised support for modding, via the Steam workshop (for sharing and easily managing any you have downloaded) while Epic does not have anything comparable. Which likely means that whole promise will drop away. At best, it just means organizing and finding mods will be more annoying. At worst it means they're dropping easy support for mods entirely.

Either way, I've waited over 17 years for a new MW game, I can wait another year.

Mod support will just happen over Nexusmods instead, which imo is easier to manage. You can use their Mod Manager or whatever it is called to easily handle multiple mods.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Reldn on 25 July 2019, 20:17:18
Well, damn. I was really looking forward to MW5 until this. Epic store exclusive is a no-go for me. Hopefully it'll release on Steam and/or GOG later on. THEN I'll buy it.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Euphonium on 25 July 2019, 20:27:45
Epic store exclusive = I don't need this game anymore.

I oppose any store exclusivity - I'd feel the same if it was Steam exclusive.

I really don't need yet *another* launcher on my PC to go with GoG Galaxy,Steam, Origin, Uplay, and Battle.net, never mind any issues of "will this game work without the 3rd party launcher?" At least GoG lets me download standalone installers.

Ah, well, I'll take a look at this again in 18 months time if I still care. I'm just glad I didn't pre-order


Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Jayof9s on 25 July 2019, 20:38:12
Ah, well, I'll take a look at this again in 18 months time if I still care. I'm just glad I didn't pre-order

My desire to support anything Battletech-related had overpowered my distrust of PGI. Thankfully they were quick with the refund.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: slh on 25 July 2019, 20:43:57
Another big letdown is that MW5 had promised support for modding, via the Steam workshop (for sharing and easily managing any you have downloaded) while Epic does not have anything comparable. Which likely means that whole promise will drop away. At best, it just means organizing and finding mods will be more annoying. At worst it means they're dropping easy support for mods entirely.

They did add an faq entry about that:

https://mw5mercs.com/faq#question-2-4

5 Will the Epic Games store support modding like Steamworks?

We are fully committed to supporting mod making for MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries. Upon the game release, mod makers will be able to download the editor and everything they need to create full mods. Then early in 2020, we will integrate the end user experience for mod makers to share their creations with the community.
Epic Games store plans to release modding support, including product-specific storefronts for mods, in early 2020. For more information on current feature status, please visit the Epic Games store Roadmap: https://trello.com/b/GXLc34hk/epic-games-store-roadmap (https://trello.com/b/GXLc34hk/epic-games-store-roadmap).

Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: BATTLEMASTER on 25 July 2019, 21:25:08
On the bright side, all the bugs from initial release and features like physical attacks will be implemented by the time exclusivity expires...  Right? :-\
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Empyrus on 25 July 2019, 21:27:06
lol
Considering that MWO didn't really ever change, and it took years for some features to appear, no chance MW5 will be in tiptop shape within just a year.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: PyreLight on 25 July 2019, 22:19:55
Well, damn. I was really looking forward to MW5 until this. Epic store exclusive is a no-go for me. Hopefully it'll release on Steam and/or GOG later on. THEN I'll buy it.

From their FAQ:

"Q: For how long will MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries be an Epic Games store exclusive?

 A: MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries will be exclusive to the Epic Games store for a year."

https://mw5mercs.com/faq#question-2-1
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: omega2010 on 25 July 2019, 22:52:45
I wonder why the exclusivity period is a whole year?  Borderlands 3 will only be six months!
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cyc on 26 July 2019, 01:28:55
I wonder why the exclusivity period is a whole year?  Borderlands 3 will only be six months!

Likely more money for longer period.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Caedis Animus on 26 July 2019, 03:57:02
On the bright side, all the bugs from initial release and features like physical attacks will be implemented by the time exclusivity expires...  Right? :-\
You need money to implement features. With people straight-up telling PGI that they hope they go the way of Kyoto Animation and that the teams should kill themselves, I don't imagine PGI would be seeing much.

I get that it sucks, but I'm pretty thoroughly disgusted with the MWO community right now over exactly how vitriolic the response is. It's a move I saw coming when Borderlands 3 had its drama.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: HobbesHurlbut on 26 July 2019, 07:37:17
But (and I could be wrong here) you don;t pay for EPIC GAMES, you pay for the actual game, so does it matter how you access it?
Until they clarify that the preorder isn't locked to Epic Games copy only, you would be basically paying for a copy accessible only on Epic Games.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: PyreLight on 26 July 2019, 08:14:11
Saw this online and  thought it recapped things short and sweet:

1. The deal means more money and more time for MW5. This means a better game. IT also had to be delayed in order to avoid Borderlands 3 and Gears of War 5 that is dropping right on top of MW5's original Sep 10 release date.

2. We get German, French, Russian localization, more marketing push, and hire more employees to polish the game

3. The recoup point to be successful for MW5 is 750.000 units instead of Steam's 1 million

4. If you don't like the EGS, you can get a complete refund and keep all of your preorder MWO content

5. The game will come out on Steam and GOG next year and will benefit from more patches and more mods from the dedicated modding community

6. This deal lessens the financial risks, gives more marketing, a better overall and polished game, higher chance of success and more Mechwarrior games, and finally you can get  your money back and wait, and it'll still be on Steam and GOG later
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 26 July 2019, 11:26:28
Have they said anything about doing such a thing?
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: DarkSpade on 26 July 2019, 11:31:03
How do weapon groupings work in MWO?  I'm hoping MW5 has something really close to MW4:mercs. I especially liked how it let me automatically cycle my weapons for the primary grouping instead of firing them all every time I pulled the trigger.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: HobbesHurlbut on 26 July 2019, 11:34:27
Saw this online and  thought it recapped things short and sweet:

1. The deal means more money and more time for MW5. This means a better game. IT also had to be delayed in order to avoid Borderlands 3 and Gears of War 5 that is dropping right on top of MW5's original Sep 10 release date.

2. We get German, French, Russian localization, more marketing push, and hire more employees to polish the game

3. The recoup point to be successful for MW5 is 750.000 units instead of Steam's 1 million

4. If you don't like the EGS, you can get a complete refund and keep all of your preorder MWO content

5. The game will come out on Steam and GOG next year and will benefit from more patches and more mods from the dedicated modding community

6. This deal lessens the financial risks, gives more marketing, a better overall and polished game, higher chance of success and more Mechwarrior games, and finally you can get  your money back and wait, and it'll still be on Steam and GOG later
The problem is that Epic Games has an extremely bad reputation for customers.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Luciora on 26 July 2019, 11:34:54
You can assign primary, secondary, tertiary groupings.  That's all I remember, having stopped playing MWO a long time ago. 

How do weapon groupings work in MWO?  I'm hoping MW5 has something really close to MW4:mercs. I especially liked how it let me automatically cycle my weapons for the primary grouping instead of firing them all every time I pulled the trigger.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Sartris on 26 July 2019, 11:38:23
firing groups have been a feature since MW2, no?
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: PyreLight on 26 July 2019, 11:45:37
The problem is that Epic Games has an extremely bad reputation for customers.

How is that going to affect the game itself or the points I made? It'll come out on Steam or GOG next year anyway.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: HobbesHurlbut on 26 July 2019, 11:45:49
https://youtu.be/2oe9BW_Z5TE?t=246
Quote
So from the 10th of April we go from "At this time there are no plans to go Epic exclusive, all keys are still steam keys, and GoG is now an option as they've done GoG Galaxy integration and have been talking to GoG for a very long time" To somewhere within the next 3 weeks after he said that in that AMA(up to the 30th of April as Russ said they signed the deal "end of April" during last nights AMA), into a signed deal with Epic. None of us were informed of the decision until yesterday. Russ claimed they couldn't give steam keys because of steam's policy, then why not give us GoG keys instead?
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 26 July 2019, 12:33:28
How is that going to affect the game itself or the points I made? It'll come out on Steam or GOG next year anyway.
More the cash / funding hit their going take due to getting exclusive with Epic.  Strong possibility of less paying customers getting the game. It could hurt PGI.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: HobbesHurlbut on 26 July 2019, 12:51:32
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAXwS_9UIAobY3z?format=jpg&name=large
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Luciora on 26 July 2019, 12:57:48
They did say they are giving refunds to those who request it as well.  I feel it's an extremely bad faith gesture to break it off to begin with.  There is a deadline for the refund request however.  I'm going to be among those to wait the year and see what'll happen with the game in the meantime.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAXwS_9UIAobY3z?format=jpg&name=large
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 26 July 2019, 13:00:55
So from the 10th of April we go from "At this time there are no plans to go Epic exclusive, all keys are still steam keys, and GoG is now an option as they've done GoG Galaxy integration and have been talking to GoG for a very long time" To somewhere within the next 3 weeks after he said that in that AMA(up to the 30th of April as Russ said they signed the deal "end of April" during last nights AMA), into a signed deal with Epic. None of us were informed of the decision until yesterday. Russ claimed they couldn't give steam keys because of steam's policy, then why not give us GoG keys instead?

Don;t see any of this being different from...say a Wedding, where 2 people pledge in front of family and friends to "love-honor-and cherish til death do you part" to getting divorced a few months-years later.

Answer - because sometimes Crap happens - Things Change. April - No plans for Epic, Then, obviously things changed. Now we are Epic Exclusive. Maybe STEAM wanted Too much, Maybe Epic offered a lot more. who knows. Just like the Couple getting divorced, it's happening, and ultimately it is none of our (the consumer's) business or need to know.

You are buying a product. You are not a Shareholder in PGI. You have no Skin-in-the-Game.

Did the sell to you on a promise to be on STEAM? YES

Are they Going to be on STEAM now? NO

Did they break the contract you entered into with them? YES

Are they making you whole by letting you out? YES

In fact in a lot of people's cases, they are being left in a BETTER position as they have mech Packs, MC and other consumer goods they are allowing you to keep.

The point is, The Business landscape changed, and it changed in a way the benfited the Company (PGI), so they took advantage, and they are allowing people where able to back out.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Empyrus on 26 July 2019, 13:20:16
How do weapon groupings work in MWO?  I'm hoping MW5 has something really close to MW4:mercs. I especially liked how it let me automatically cycle my weapons for the primary grouping instead of firing them all every time I pulled the trigger.
Extremely well. For all my issues with MWO, they nailed the basic gameplay superbly.

I think max was six groups, you can add and remove weapons on the fly with arrow keys and... shift? Whatever, configurable keys. That on the fly weapon group configurability was great if you had forgotten to setup groups beforehand, or you figured out a better grouping.
And you can set group to fire all weapons at once, or all weapons sequentially, again this can be changed during gameplay. The game saved all changes always, so no need to redo settings every match.

I typically ran with 3 to 5 weapon groups, depending on the 'Mech and armament, bound to Mouse 1, Mouse 2, Mouse 4 (under thumb), E, and Shift+E.
Mouse 1/Group 1 was usually basic weapons, like medium lasers. M2/G2 was heavy hitters. M4/G3 usually had rapid-fire weapons or a sequential version of group 1. E/G4 i usually reserved for missiles, while Shitf+E/G5 was usually alternate missile pattern (eg half launchers only).
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: DarkSpade on 26 July 2019, 14:47:23
Does it have cycling though? 

For example, in MW4 if my mech had 3 large lasers, I'd have them all in group one.  When ever I fired group 1 it would only fire one.  If I held down the button it would fire all three, but instead of all at once they'd fire one after another.   Not sure why it only ever worked with group one, but I loved how it worked.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: PyreLight on 26 July 2019, 14:55:55
More the cash / funding hit their going take due to getting exclusive with Epic.  Strong possibility of less paying customers getting the game. It could hurt PGI.

they just got a truckload of money from epic and the game will eventually make it to Steam and GOG.

I think people are over-estimating how important this is for the general consumer.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: pheonixstorm on 26 July 2019, 15:21:52
The problem is if enough people cancel their preorder or worse don't buy the game until a steam release PGI could be in a far worse position and lose more money from this stupidity on their part than they received from EPIC.

If anyone wants better info on EGL go watch some of the videos by SidAlpha. Especially anything that mentions what features they are focusing on. Big hint, don't expect anything consumer friendly.

Hopefully by the time it does get to steam it will be discounted and no longer full price.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: YingJanshi on 26 July 2019, 15:27:32
I can't blame PGI, you got to do what you got to do. (Though as phoenixstorm said, I'll be curious to see if the cash injection they got from Epic will offset the number of customers they've lost, at least during the initial year.)

As for the Epic launcher itself...I just don't see the point in throwing around cash to grab exclusivity deals rather than using that money to improve the many valid complaints people have over it (most important to me is their atrocious security).
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: IAMCLANWOLF on 26 July 2019, 16:21:03
You have no Skin-in-the-Game."

Sure I do. I get to vote with my hard-fought cash... ;)
Inconsequential as that may be.
PGI can change the rules all they like.
Your divorce analogy works well enough, I suppose...
I am happy to divorce myself from this companies proven track record.
Painful, to the core, no doubt. I truly love me some mechwarrior.
I don't have to put up with this idiocy anymore, however.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 26 July 2019, 16:35:24
Sure I do. I get to vote with my hard-fought cash... ;)
Inconsequential as that may be.
PGI can change the rules all they like.
Your divorce analogy works well enough, I suppose...
I am happy to divorce myself from this companies proven track record.
Painful, to the core, no doubt. I truly love me some mechwarrior.
I don't have to put up with this idiocy anymore, however.

By Skin in the game, I mean you are not a true party to why the Company did or did not do X.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_in_the_game_(phrase)

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To have "skin in the game" is to have incurred risk (monetary or otherwise) by being involved in achieving a goal. In the phrase, "skin" is a synecdoche for the person involved, and "game" is the metaphor for actions on the field of play under discussion.

In this case, you have incurred no risk at all, and have role in acheiving the goal of a successful game.

No different from any other consumer. Coke changes (without telling the general public) from using Cane Sugar to Corn Syrup. They don;t owe you and explanation.

Or let's put it a different spin, you Pre-Ordered a Bedroom suite for your house. Paid your up-front costs, etc. Your told it'll take 2 months to get in. No worries, you can wait (doing a renovation, whatever). 2 months before you are expecting the Bedroom suite you are informed by Said company that even though it would never use Blue Spruce in the construction, you are informed due to a shortage of White Pine that Blue spruce will now be used in the construction. HECK NO! You Scream, My father was hurt when a Blue Spruce fell on him years ago! The company explains OK, You Can cancel your order, and in a year when the White Pine is available we can make it then.

In neither case, the Coke or the Furniture, does the company owe you an explanation. Simply an announcement that for whatever reason they have gone to X instead of Y. You are entitled to be mad of the switch (and you will note I have never said otherwise), all I have ever said is PGI owes nobody (except their shareholders) an explanation as to why they did X over Y. All the owe you is the option to make an informed consumer decision.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Empyrus on 26 July 2019, 16:50:08
Does it have cycling though? 

For example, in MW4 if my mech had 3 large lasers, I'd have them all in group one.  When ever I fired group 1 it would only fire one.  If I held down the button it would fire all three, but instead of all at once they'd fire one after another.   Not sure why it only ever worked with group one, but I loved how it worked.
The sequential one does that. Default key for switching between cycling and group fire in selected group is backspace i think. There is no setting to fire only one weapon in a group though.

IIRC, MW4 had a key for switching between "fire all weapons in a group", "fire one weapon in a group" "cycle through all weapons", though not 100% sure about the last one, i use grouped weapons only in MW4.
It really doesn't help that the game had some weirdness going with the controls. I think there were keys for "fire selected group", "fire selected weapon", and fire "group #" (and that one mode key modified how one of these functioned). But to further mess with this, some options didn't always work or couldn't be bound to mouse or keyboard, not sure if it was due to the mouse or a driver issue or something else.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Talen5000 on 26 July 2019, 16:59:48
Saw this online and  thought it recapped things short and sweet:

It is easy to see why the devs are doing this.

But...that doesn't alter that they are effectively changing terms of a deal, costing them in terms of trust and Epic has a less than savoury reputation

I'll buy it when it comes to GoG. I can wait a year.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 26 July 2019, 17:04:15
And you are right, they DID change the terms of the Deal, but at the same time, they are also allowing folks to back out of said deal.

They've announced where necessary the deal has changed, and have given a reasonable time to cancel orders. I also have no issue with people being mad about the changes, but PGI does not owe anyone an explanation for why they've changed what the originally offered.

Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Talen5000 on 26 July 2019, 17:10:01
And you are right, they DID change the terms of the Deal, but at the same time, they are also allowing folks to back out of said deal.

And I'm not blaming them for it.

But the core reality is that I don't trust Epic and I don't want their launcher so I am not going to buy ANY Epic exclusive games.

I may be irrational, but I'm not going to apologise.

I'll buy MW5 on GoG in a year.

Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: PyreLight on 26 July 2019, 18:48:57
The problem is if enough people cancel their preorder or worse don't buy the game until a steam release PGI could be in a far worse position and lose more money from this stupidity on their part than they received from EPIC.

If anyone wants better info on EGL go watch some of the videos by SidAlpha. Especially anything that mentions what features they are focusing on. Big hint, don't expect anything consumer friendly.

Hopefully by the time it does get to steam it will be discounted and no longer full price.

so far only 1200 out of 20000 have requested a refund. And that doesn't even compare to the amount of potential customers they get with EGS visibility.

It'll come out on steam anyway a year from now. People forget, especially if it's a good game.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: pheonixstorm on 26 July 2019, 20:17:22
People may forget, but many more won't go near the dumpster fire that is EGS. Plus, many other people will forget MW5 entirely do to this. No because they don't want the game, but simply because a year is a long time not wait around for something already released when the next new shiny is constantly being released every week.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrayth on 27 July 2019, 05:23:27
Welp.  I was looking forward to picking MW5 up when it came out.  Guess that's not happening.  Exclusivity and EG can bite me.

Funny thing is, I don't know if this game will even be on my radar anymore when it hits GoG (and Steam) a year from release.  "What, MW5 is now available on GoG?  Meh.  I'm having too much fun playing games X and Y to bother with it."
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: HobbesHurlbut on 27 July 2019, 08:04:01
so far only 1200 out of 20000 have requested a refund. And that doesn't even compare to the amount of potential customers they get with EGS visibility.

It'll come out on steam anyway a year from now. People forget, especially if it's a good game.
a year and FIVE months. The exclusivity is MW5 stay on Epic one year *after* it launch.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: HobbesHurlbut on 27 July 2019, 08:06:01
They did say they are giving refunds to those who request it as well.  I feel it's an extremely bad faith gesture to break it off to begin with.  There is a deadline for the refund request however.  I'm going to be among those to wait the year and see what'll happen with the game in the meantime.
They said they think they might get steam keys but their current stance is if you want steam or something else, get a refund on your preorder.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Caedis Animus on 27 July 2019, 08:08:14
I feel like this is a rehashing of the lesson of 'Never preorder ANYTHING' that people are just oh-so-stubbornly refusing to learn.

Seriously, this is a lesson that was preached around No Man's Sky. C'mon.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Orin J. on 27 July 2019, 16:41:07
But (and I could be wrong here) you don;t pay for EPIC GAMES, you pay for the actual game, so does it matter how you access it?

i haven't gone over EGS's lisance entirely but, with most online gaming hubs/DRM systems you aren't paying for the game, you're pay for the limited right to use "their" game via their sytem. so it matters in that you have to ask yourself if you trust this comany to consider your interests as the player of the game when they have contract renewal discussions or legal concerns.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 27 July 2019, 16:57:19
i haven't gone over EGS's lisance entirely but, with most online gaming hubs/DRM systems you aren't paying for the game, you're pay for the limited right to use "their" game via their sytem. so it matters in that you have to ask yourself if you trust this comany to consider your interests as the player of the game when they have contract renewal discussions or legal concerns.

And if STEAM decides to not a game in the future, how is that any different?

Just playing Devil's Advocate here, as STEAM is not the Silver-clad, Gold Gilded Champion of Online Gaming people are making them out to be.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: DarkSpade on 27 July 2019, 17:16:10
And if STEAM decides to not a game in the future, how is that any different?

Just playing Devil's Advocate here, as STEAM is not the Silver-clad, Gold Gilded Champion of Online Gaming people are making them out to be.

True, but they're also well established at this point.  We know what to expect from them at this point.  Epic on the other hand is still an unknown in this and has already left a sour taste.

Really though, anyone who doesn't care is going to continue to not care while anyone bothered by it will either hold a life long resentment, or check it out later when they've improved/proven themselves.  Same thing Steam with through really, but Epic doesn't have the advantage of being the only option like steam did for it's first several years.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: YingJanshi on 27 July 2019, 17:31:07
And if STEAM decides to not a game in the future, how is that any different?

Just playing Devil's Advocate here, as STEAM is not the Silver-clad, Gold Gilded Champion of Online Gaming people are making them out to be.

They are not, certainly have their own problems. And competition would a good thing. While they may not get to be a very big competitor, I think GoG is a very valid one.

The problem with EGS is that they have several very substational issues to make people wary of using their store (a lack of features compared to Steam, non-existent customer support, and rather alarmingly shoddy security) and instead of spending money on fixing these issues, they would rather spend money on exclusivity deals. That's a direction I would rather not see the market go.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Reldn on 27 July 2019, 18:22:57
From their FAQ:

"Q: For how long will MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries be an Epic Games store exclusive?

 A: MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries will be exclusive to the Epic Games store for a year."

https://mw5mercs.com/faq#question-2-1

Thanks for that bit of info. Looks like I'll be checking it out once it's year of exclusivity with Epic is up and it hits the other platforms.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Euphonium on 27 July 2019, 19:57:03
And if STEAM decides to not a game in the future, how is that any different?

Just playing Devil's Advocate here, as STEAM is not the Silver-clad, Gold Gilded Champion of Online Gaming people are making them out to be.


Agreed. Many of the reasons I dislike the EGS also apply to Steam.
The store I like is GoG because having the games DRM-free means that I actually own them and can reinstall & play them on a standalone PC no matter what what happens in the future.* When I get the opportunity I'm willing to re-buy games I own on Steam through GoG as long as it's not too expensive.

*hardware compatibility allowing
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: HobbesHurlbut on 27 July 2019, 20:37:02
Thursday Update AMA (7/25)
https://youtu.be/u9bQds9QPqU

Friday AMA Follow Up (7/26)
https://youtu.be/tuLhG9CLgok
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: PyreLight on 28 July 2019, 05:09:13
I have been seeing a lot of hate and harassment and death threats against PGI and especially Russ Bullock the last two days, despite the fact that 1) they can just add the exe to your Steam client, 2) people still get to have their Steam a year later, 3) they can just get refunds and keep their MWO content. PGI chose the best way to make a better game and give it a marketing push and delay it, but the Mechwarrior community chose to be horrible, terribly immature, and toxic. It's distressful to see  :'(
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 28 July 2019, 08:29:33
its not to be unsurprising it happened.  Were months away from what have been the launch of the browser, with hype building.  IN meantime, there alot bad mojo building with Epic Games, to the point it's turning toxic.   Then you tell people who invented money and hope of great game they have to use a exclusive (openingly) disliked game provider to get it after promising to be released different way?   Its not surprising at all. 

It sucks for everyone.  I don't know the thorny details, but Russ choose this path feeling it only way keep his company alive and be able put a product out he feels will save his company and their jobs.  Yet, i THINK he may have tainted the product in process.  Bitter pill of year later, it stale, players may have moved on to other things.  It's not going be next hot product. 

I wonder if he any other choice. Inclusion of the Unreal engine is the main problem, like MWO's current engine.  It's linked to the hip of the folks to made it.   Mandating it must be used with some association with it's maker.   

What i think is sad, is that gaming industry has gotten too point where they outsource their important stuff to other people.  Like the game friggin engine, thing makes your work and shiny to outside outfit.   Now their unable to do what they want with product, PGI got the rug utterly pulled under their feet as the game is about to launch.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: HobbesHurlbut on 28 July 2019, 08:49:00
despite the fact that 1) they can just add the exe to your Steam client,
So patches and updates can be downloaded via steam client?
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: PyreLight on 28 July 2019, 10:04:39
its not to be unsurprising it happened.  Were months away from what have been the launch of the browser, with hype building.  IN meantime, there alot bad mojo building with Epic Games, to the point it's turning toxic.   Then you tell people who invented money and hope of great game they have to use a exclusive (openingly) disliked game provider to get it after promising to be released different way?   Its not surprising at all. 

It sucks for everyone.  I don't know the thorny details, but Russ choose this path feeling it only way keep his company alive and be able put a product out he feels will save his company and their jobs.  Yet, i THINK he may have tainted the product in process.  Bitter pill of year later, it stale, players may have moved on to other things.  It's not going be next hot product. 

I wonder if he any other choice. Inclusion of the Unreal engine is the main problem, like MWO's current engine.  It's linked to the hip of the folks to made it.   Mandating it must be used with some association with it's maker.   

What i think is sad, is that gaming industry has gotten too point where they outsource their important stuff to other people.  Like the game friggin engine, thing makes your work and shiny to outside outfit.   Now their unable to do what they want with product, PGI got the rug utterly pulled under their feet as the game is about to launch.

I think it's absolutely surprising to see death threats and harassment over a video game, but maybe that's just me being old and out of touch with today's gamers.

It is sad to me that gamers have become (are?) so toxic and hostile if things don't go exactly the way they want that they go on a harassment campaign. It doesn't help that Youtubers want to get clicks so they produce these insane AM Radio Rage Rants and distort a situation for thousands of viewers that they then go to Twitter and Reddit and Facebook and insult and harass the people working on the actual game. It is unbearable and I think other people on the sidelines should not just ignore it or let it be.

So patches and updates can be downloaded via steam client?

A patch gets released for MW5? Launch Epic Game Store, let it patch the game, close Epic Game Store, go back to Steam. Or wait a year until it releases on Steam if it's that difficult.

But I guess that's too much for some people, so instead they go online and bully the game devs.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: HobbesHurlbut on 28 July 2019, 12:49:28

But I guess that's too much for some people
After I did posted the TWO AMA here that were recorded for Thursday and Friday last week, without commentary I might add thanks the people who recorded them and uploaded them to youtube, you can understand why people don't trust PGI anymore. Russ is...let us say rather clumsy at speaking to people/being an ackward public speaker.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: PyreLight on 28 July 2019, 15:35:56
After I did posted the TWO AMA here that were recorded for Thursday and Friday last week, without commentary I might add thanks the people who recorded them and uploaded them to youtube, you can understand why people don't trust PGI anymore. Russ is...let us say rather clumsy at speaking to people/being an ackward public speaker.

heh, you're right, but the level of hate I've seen online doesn't seem proportionate to his lack of clarity. Besides, the games industry is known to be a silo with all their non-disclosure agreements and it's rare to ever hear anything until the final announcement of something, so I understand why he couldn't and didn't say anything.

Given the way people react to PGI and treat them online on social media the last two days, I don't blame them for not wanting to communicate with (parts of) their fanbase.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Caedis Animus on 28 July 2019, 18:12:19
heh, you're right, but the level of hate I've seen online doesn't seem proportionate to his lack of clarity. Besides, the games industry is known to be a silo with all their non-disclosure agreements and it's rare to ever hear anything until the final announcement of something, so I understand why he couldn't and didn't say anything.

Given the way people react to PGI and treat them online on social media the last two days, I don't blame them for not wanting to communicate with (parts of) their fanbase.
Yeah, I got pretty soured with MW as a community after I saw someone wanting everyone at PGI to shoot themselves and for the office to go up like Kyoto Studios.

Absolutely disgusting.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: HobbesHurlbut on 28 July 2019, 19:06:45
Yeah, I got pretty soured with MW as a community after I saw someone wanting everyone at PGI to shoot themselves and for the office to go up like Kyoto Studios.

Absolutely disgusting.
One person commented he would had punched Russ in the face had he went to the con Russ was at... whose family attended the con with as well.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: wundergoat on 29 July 2019, 00:09:38
They are not, certainly have their own problems. And competition would a good thing. While they may not get to be a very big competitor, I think GoG is a very valid one.

The problem with EGS is that they have several very substational issues to make people wary of using their store (a lack of features compared to Steam, non-existent customer support, and rather alarmingly shoddy security) and instead of spending money on fixing these issues, they would rather spend money on exclusivity deals. That's a direction I would rather not see the market go.

The thing is, I don't think EGS can compete with Steam if they didn't go the exclusivity route.  Steam has massive first-mover advantage where people are heavily invested in their platform and they've already got all the important functionality.  Speaking personally, even if EGS's platform fixed everything that annoyed me about the Steam experience, I still would not use them.  The cost of switching platforms isn't worth the gains.  Competing on prices isn't realistic for a variety of reasons, at least on this point.  That leaves exclusivity as the means to build the platform's user base.

EGS is determined to compete with Steam and to do that they're straight buying user base.  Their policies and pricing are much better for developers, but those don't mean anything if no one is using the platform.  However, by using their Fortnite windfall to secure exclusivity deals for anticipated titles, they are buying user base.  Platform services are secondary.  Those can be built out later once user base is secured.  It isn't exactly consumer friendly, but I can't fault the logic of this strategy.

In PGI's case, I think it was probably a no-brainer.  A break-even of 750,000 vs 1M units isn't even close - they'd have to sell a third more units plus they would be making a lot less per unit after that point.  That plus the additional funding and marketing/exposure from EGS obviously made PGI conclude that the alienation and loss of some customers was worth the additional $ per customer and potential for additional customers.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: pheonixstorm on 29 July 2019, 00:46:20
As turned off as many of the fan base are, I don't see them getting 1m units from EGS alone. The launcher is too consumer unfriendly. Not having a shopping cart is a serious flaw. Same with all the crap floating around about lack of account security and rumors of malware. True or not it will hurt sales for all those who made the switch.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Nightlord01 on 29 July 2019, 03:32:03
The thing is, I don't think EGS can compete with Steam if they didn't go the exclusivity route.  Steam has massive first-mover advantage where people are heavily invested in their platform and they've already got all the important functionality.  Speaking personally, even if EGS's platform fixed everything that annoyed me about the Steam experience, I still would not use them.  The cost of switching platforms isn't worth the gains.  Competing on prices isn't realistic for a variety of reasons, at least on this point.  That leaves exclusivity as the means to build the platform's user base.

I'll let Samsung know that their Galaxy program is doomed to fail, since Apple has first mover status, and they shouldn't bother releasing a Galaxy S2, shall I? On a more serious note, for every first mover advantage there is an equal disadvantage, it's not as big a show stopper as you'd think since just about every nation involved has laws in place to prevent that. Everything from motor vehicles to mobile phones to PC games shows that a determined company who's willing to spend the time and effort to break into the market will be successful.

Epic could indeed compete, very effectively, by investing that money they spent gaining exclusive access to games on actually making their system have all the functionality of Steam, or even following their own roadmap of functionality improvement. Clearly they have money to burn, why not use it improving their product? I fear that this isn't actually a tactic to gain market share though, I fear that this is a tactic to encourage the market to become driven by exclusivity agreements, rather than consumer decisions.

EG seem to be trying to get the market openly accepting of exclusivity deals and lack of choice, my big question is: If they are successful, and grab a market share to rival Steam, do you think they will stop? The answer is quite obviously: No. Why would the cease using an effective tactic?

This is exactly the tactic used by TV stations and content streamers here in Australia, with the charge being lead by Foxtel, and everyone else jumping on the bandwagon. This has lead to more expensive entertainment and ever growing numbers of content providers each wanting a slice of the pie. It annoys me with TV, and it annoys me with EG, luckily neither provide entertainment I can't do without, so do without I shall.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: PyreLight on 29 July 2019, 04:57:35
One person commented he would had punched Russ in the face had he went to the con Russ was at... whose family attended the con with as well.

Imagine being such a huge baby that you would use violence because of some videogame.

I wish the MWO community leaders and streamers would speak up.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Caedis Animus on 29 July 2019, 05:17:46
Imagine being such a huge baby that you would use violence because of some videogame.

I wish the MWO community leaders and streamers would speak up.
Considering how much most of them played up rage on youtube, I'm not entirely sure they'd be against a violent course of action. But I don't watch them, so I could very well be wrong.

Well, I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 29 July 2019, 06:57:19
if things keep going the way they are, anything MechWarrior (computer related) is going be toast (dead) to the player base.  Revenue to pay for the servers comes from in-game purchases, arguably from sale of MW5 itself.

I still play MWO casually, since it's a free game. I enjoy the comrade of the game. People who like playing with mechs, who like Battletech in general though perhaps not playing the paper/pencil original. 

I would not like see this fragile bridge between two branches of the Battletech die because bad / worse decisions made by those who keep game going.  For good or for ill.  HBS Battletech which hasn't shown signs of the issues cultural wise, isn't as connected as well as MWO is to it's players.

If PGI goes pop within next year (given what's going on right now, it possible.  Less revenue to pump into the final cleanup of the game and keeping the core business MWO alive) i don't think another company will come by piece to gether the game as well PGI did.  It will likely be reboot, possibly completely different artist direction that may not treat the original source material with same good care PGI has despite it's bad decisions it's leadership has made.

Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: PyreLight on 29 July 2019, 07:27:31
if things keep going the way they are, anything MechWarrior (computer related) is going be toast (dead) to the player base.  Revenue to pay for the servers comes from in-game purchases, arguably from sale of MW5 itself.

I still play MWO casually, since it's a free game. I enjoy the comrade of the game. People who like playing with mechs, who like Battletech in general though perhaps not playing the paper/pencil original. 

I would not like see this fragile bridge between two branches of the Battletech die because bad / worse decisions made by those who keep game going.  For good or for ill.  HBS Battletech which hasn't shown signs of the issues cultural wise, isn't as connected as well as MWO is to it's players.

If PGI goes pop within next year (given what's going on right now, it possible.  Less revenue to pump into the final cleanup of the game and keeping the core business MWO alive) i don't think another company will come by piece to gether the game as well PGI did.  It will likely be reboot, possibly completely different artist direction that may not treat the original source material with same good care PGI has despite it's bad decisions it's leadership has made.

I think you overestimate the amount of bitter people in the current fanbase relative to the larger general audience. They may be loud, entitled, toxic, and whiny, but they are not going to be important for the success of MW5.

The bitter ones aren't going to be the one determining whether or not PGI survives, it'll be the broader gaming audience and if they'll like Mechwarrior 5. So it all rests on whether or not the game will be good, have good reviews, a good marketing campaign, and store visibility.

If the game fails financially, it will be the end of Mechwarrior forever. It failing will only confirm or reinforce the belief that it's not an IP worth investing in and therefore publishers and developers won't touch it. You're right about that.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 29 July 2019, 08:19:20
Epic Game Store is principle reason why i think it's endangered more than before.  There alot of issues with it in first place, then tie in MW5 into that exclusively?   People may be incline (including me) to buy the game later on, but it heavily depends people getting over the issues of EGS, not necessary PGI.   PGI decision (was it really a decision? Unreal engine was owned by Epic, thus from what i know dictating terms to users/developers) drop Steam months before its scheduled launch in September adds to the bitter pill.   I believe gamers will talk, they will make it known perhaps PGI should not be trusted, same way EGS isn't terribly trusted.

Epic new, i don't know much about them than, other than store lacking in alot of things and reassurances that their cloud based game is replacable / repairable if something goes wrong.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Notsonoble on 29 July 2019, 16:43:30
I ran across this today, and while I haven't seen threats of violence. I have seen lots of people turning in refunds, and generally being nasty.

And I don't blame them, if it was just the epic game store exclusivity I would, but its the way the thing was handled. Lying to your customer base is not a good move, and Russ's ama proves that he did, and intended to continue to do so until he was caught. Not to mention the issue with those who are sending emails for follow up questions now being processed as refund requests instead of having said questions answered.

I was kinda looking forward to MW5, but now I'm not going to touch it with a 10ft pole. Why because I no longer expect it to survive the year between its delayed release and when it might be available on a platform I use. Its far to expensive of an investment to risk a support failure that quickly. HBS-BT is still buggy and cranky, and it's had a year + of support and patching. This has also made me reconsider the expansions (I was looking at them for xmas this year) because pouring more money into it when PGLs failure could bring HBS down shortly thereafter doesn't really leave me feeling warm and fuzzy.

I doubt I'm the only one who is backing away simply because they no longer trust that the game will be stable long enough to enjoy either. This will turn a lot of on the fence purchases away too.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: DarkSpade on 29 July 2019, 17:54:30
I don't blame Epic for shelling out the cash for all these exclusives.  They do need to do something to get their foot in the door, but they really should have planned further out on this instead of going after big titles that already announced they'd be on Steam.   In the end though, most of the blame does go on the devs/publishers who said they'd be releasing on Steam and then backed out later.

In either case, Epic really does need to start holding on to some of that cash and invest in their store.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: PyreLight on 29 July 2019, 19:01:54
I don't blame Epic for shelling out the cash for all these exclusives.  They do need to do something to get their foot in the door, but they really should have planned further out on this instead of going after big titles that already announced they'd be on Steam.   In the end though, most of the blame does go on the devs/publishers who said they'd be releasing on Steam and then backed out later.

In either case, Epic really does need to start holding on to some of that cash and invest in their store.

Things are subject to change in game development. Not everything is set in stone.

Lots of stuff that the HBS Battletech game said they would do, but didn't end up doing, and that was even a Kickstarter. Yet I don't see anyone calling HBS liars or deceivers or dirty devs the way that the Mechwarrior community has thrown a fit the last couple of days.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: YingJanshi on 29 July 2019, 21:25:59
I don't blame Epic for shelling out the cash for all these exclusives.  They do need to do something to get their foot in the door, but they really should have planned further out on this instead of going after big titles that already announced they'd be on Steam.   In the end though, most of the blame does go on the devs/publishers who said they'd be releasing on Steam and then backed out later.

In either case, Epic really does need to start holding on to some of that cash and invest in their store.

They really do. But I somehow doubt that it will happen. Buying exclusivity is simply too easy compared to fixing problems with their launcher. (And to be fair, Valve kind of fell into the same situation when they were the only kid on the block.)
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Nightlord01 on 30 July 2019, 04:27:34
They really do. But I somehow doubt that it will happen. Buying exclusivity is simply too easy compared to fixing problems with their launcher. (And to be fair, Valve kind of fell into the same situation when they were the only kid on the block.)

No, they really don't.

It's not like EG has been involved in bidding wars, they simply commenced buying up games. There were enough users annoyed at Steam and Valve that EG would have had a starting market without resorting to these tactics, provided they had worked on developing and updating their platform.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Thorvidar on 01 August 2019, 11:08:20
(A repost of something I posted at another location explaining my reason for not supporting PGI or EPIC)

I want nothing to do with a Company that lies to its customers. I refuse to support Epic and its habit of doing this. What I see is a community that supports anything Battletech any company puts out. That can be a great thing. Giving a new company a chance or a new battletech product a chance. This can turn toxic though. Its like watching an abuse victim return to the abuser. 'We have to support this game, we might not get another chance.'  'You must not like Battletech if you dont support this.' 'You must not want MW or battletech to grow if you don't support PGI.'  This is what your saying , support it, its battletech. It may be Battletech, but that doesn't mean I support what PGI is doing to it.

I have seen the rise and fall of battletech. Wizkids screwed up Battletech they fell, CGL picked it up and is doing a better job. I am willing to give this game a hardpass, even as a battletech Fan who plays the Tabletop, because I am tired of PGI not falling through with its promises. That is the key here, PGI not keeping its promise, I want to see another company give MW a try because Russ and his company obviously don't know how to keep their promises.

I just think 'we', as battletech/MechWarrior/Mechcommander fans, deserve better then what PGI has done and has shown a willingness to do
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 01 August 2019, 11:16:57
Gotta say...so much venom against the company that foot 90% plus of the legal costs to defeat a certain lawsuit and bring closure to a decades long conflict that has finally allowed certain models to be featured in an upcoming Kickstarter...but then...:

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Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Thorvidar on 01 August 2019, 11:29:33
Gotta say...so much venom against the company that foot 90% plus of the legal costs to defeat a certain lawsuit and bring closure to a decades long conflict that has finally allowed certain models to be featured in an upcoming Kickstarter...but then...:

Neon I have said on other posts that I am thankful for that. However for the consistent lying to the community (see the promised fixes to balance, to community warfare, to where I can pick up your shiny new game) the good will that your garnered is completely gone. Its not even dust in the wind to me, its just gone.

Look I was looking forward to supporting PGI with MW5. I was done with MWO, but I figured I could play MW5 with my boi's on co-op and thus Balance would not be an issue as it is in MWO. Then they lied Neon, they new for months and said nothing. There is an AMA in april of this year where russ says no plans to go exclusive on epic at that time. Then we learn they had been in talks since the Beginning of apirl and he signed it a few days before the end of the pre-order. He did not change the website to reflect that nor did he mention it. In fact he sat on it for another 3 months ( he wanted to wait till have gamescon... but someone made a mistake(?)) before being forced to respond and says yes its exclusive.

After the deal was signed and the Pre-order finished, he should have notified the community of the change and allowed them then and there to get their money back. Instead he waited till now and gives everyone till the 1st of September to get a refund. Shady... thats all I have to say.

So yes any good will they had generated with me with fighting the 'not named' company is just spent. There is nothing left in that account to draw upon.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: HobbesHurlbut on 01 August 2019, 11:44:05
Neon I have said on other posts that I am thankful for that. However for the consistent lying to the community (see the promised fixes to balance, to community warfare, to where I can pick up your shiny new game) the good will that your garnered is completely gone. Its not even dust in the wind to me, its just gone.

Look I was looking forward to supporting PGI with MW5. I was done with MWO, but I figured I could play MW5 with my boi's on co-op and thus Balance would not be an issue as it is in MWO. Then they lied Neon, they new for months and said nothing. There is an AMA in april of this year where russ says no plans to go exclusive on epic at that time. Then we learn they had been in talks since the Beginning of apirl and he signed it a few days before the end of the pre-order. He did not change the website to reflect that nor did he mention it. In fact he sat on it for another 3 months ( he wanted to wait till have gamescon... but someone made a mistake(?)) before being forced to respond and says yes its exclusive.

After the deal was signed and the Pre-order finished, he should have notified the community of the change and allowed them then and there to get their money back. Instead he waited till now and gives everyone till the 1st of September to get a refund. Shady... thats all I have to say.

So yes any good will they had generated with me with fighting the 'not named' company is just spent. There is nothing left in that account to draw upon.
To clarify, he had to announce last week because of the FAQ faisco. The announcement was planned for this month August at the con or such.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: IAMCLANWOLF on 01 August 2019, 13:38:04
Gotta say...so much venom against the company that foot 90% plus of the legal costs to defeat a certain lawsuit and bring closure to a decades long conflict that has finally allowed certain models to be featured in an upcoming Kickstarter...but then...:

This is not a legitimate argument. The legitimacy of any given decision is not assessed against the decisions made by the same organization in the past.

Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 01 August 2019, 14:21:06
To clarify, he had to announce last week because of the FAQ faisco. The announcement was planned for this month August at the con or such.
Good thing it wasn't, there could been a riot or at least mass shouting match between Russ and crowd. 
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 01 August 2019, 14:43:53
This is not a legitimate argument. The legitimacy of any given decision is not assessed against the decisions made by the same organization in the past.

But, folks are arguing based on decisions of the past:

PGI decided to announce they were going to release on STEAM

PGI, for whatever business reason, decided they cannot/will not release on STEAM and instead moved to EPIC

PGI has allowed people to back out of any preorder, as has also allowed them to keep any rewards they have already been given.

I'm just saying, I don;t see anyone of having any right to be PO'd to the extent that they are.

Let me try another tact. There is a Movie Franchise, I really, really, really liked, called TERMINATOR. Now many years ago, shortly after the release of T2, there was a Third Canon Installment in, but this 3rd canon installment was not and never will be released to the Theatres, and the only place to see it is Universal Studios California.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2-3D:_Battle_Across_Time

Now, again, as a FAN of the Terminator franchise, it was not until about 8 years ago, I was at Universal Studios CA, and was able to finally experience this 3rd part, sequel to T2, but now it has closed down, and no-one can now experience it.

Do I have a right to be upset? Maybe, I don't know.

I mean I get, folks wanted it with STEAM, PGI stated they were going to release on STEAM, but there was never a hard Promise. And things changed, and you don't have to keep a preorder. You can get your money back. But if you never even preordered....I have no idea what more can be done to placate someone. They are not out anything. Financially they are in the same situation today as they were in yesterday.

Now If PGI said nothing of the change until December, and further refused anyone the ability to back out...well, I'd be right there next to you, complaining of flagrant deciept and false business practices, but that was never the case.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: pheonixstorm on 01 August 2019, 17:31:25
That is not the same. Now if it was a full length movie that the studio planned on releasing into theaters then backed out and made it a park ride instead... Well that would be enough to piss people off. Especially if the studio had been airing commercials for it a few months in advance.

At the very least PGI could have at least mentioned that there was a possibility they would do an EGS exclusive. At least then people would know what to expect and not get so pissy over this.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: PyreLight on 02 August 2019, 03:50:51
I honestly think this has been one of the darker times of the Mechwarrior community. Extremely immature and toxic behavior with little to no effort to try to understand where PGI was coming from. Lots of misinformation and conspiracy theories spread by Youtube Grifters, and a total lack of knowledge about game development on display. This has resulted in a lot of hate towards especially Russ.

The few people I have seen being mature and talking about this in a constructive manner is NuttyRat and a bunch of others on this Stream, I highly recommend watching it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5wvj21TOEo

On a more general level, I think it would be good for people to understand the nature of game development today, best explained by this tweet:

(https://i.imgur.com/h29m7L5.png)

In PGI's case, there are mostly only good reasons to take the EGS deal and they would have been very dumb not to take it. As a poster on Sarna's article mentioned, this is what the deal means:

1. More money for development
2. Delay the game away from Gears of war 5 and Borderlands 3
3. Hire more devs to help polish it like a narrative designer, a lighting artist, etc.
4. Pay for the 3 months extra delay
5. French, Russian and German localization at launch
6. A much bigger marketing push
7. A 12% cut on EGS versus 35 % cut on steam
8. More visibility on EGS than Steam (less crowded)
9. The game still ends up on Steam and GOG in 2020

Moreover, I wouldn't say anybody "lied" or "deceived". Using words like "betrayal" and "stabbed in the back" and so on seem very much out of proportion to what was actually going on. We don't even know the details of the timeline and how much PGI was under NDA or hadn't even worked out the contract yet with Epic. The deal wasn't even finalized until June! A couple of guys on Reddit actually wrote something sensible about this:

Quote
"The disconnect comes from how the expectations were set. The community treats Russ like he's a character on a TV show where everything he tells you is am immutable fact of the universe. When the universe doesn't match up to expectations it must be because Russ lied. While Russ, when he is being candid, talks in the tentative nature of Business, about how things are today, with the understanding that things might need to change. Then you have the situations where, for whatever reason, Russ cannot be candid, and that is seen as lying by omission rather than put into context. 

One of the core roles of a really good community manager and PR person is to properly set expectations about what is a commitment and what is a concept. To underpromise, over deliver, and to avoid being specific in areas where there is potentially uncertainty. Mitch, HBS and Paradox are the example about how to do this well. Wherever a speaker overreach a bit, their statements where immediately qualified as a commitment or an idea along with clear "not to be discussed (at this time)" topics."

"Exactly this. First off, the "they were always planning on going to Epic" is horseshit; the Epic store wasn't even a thing back when MW5 was announced. But then the deal came up, and from a business operations standpoint it made a lot of sense for PGI. Said deal took several months to work out all the kinks, though it sounds like what was initially presented was good enough that the deal was a matter of when, not if. But until you have ink on paper you don't announce the deal. That's how every single business deal works; talking publicly about ongoing negotiations is detrimental at best and a violation of NDAs that would immediately sink the deal and potentially lead to a lawsuit at worst.

Yet the narrative was set by a toxic Youtuber who clearly wanted to be as negative against PGI and Russ as much as possible and mischaracterize what was going on. The problem is that lots of people fell for it and therefore that stands alone as the single dominant narrative now. It also seems like a lot of past pent-up frustration is coming out from parts of the Mechwarrior community and many appear to be reveling in it, while others aren't seeing what's going on. I couldn't imagine the same level of vitriol and harassment would be directed towards HBS, for example.

At the very least PGI could have at least mentioned that there was a possibility they would do an EGS exclusive. At least then people would know what to expect and not get so pissy over this.

They actually did say that. Russ said during an AMA (can't remember which, maybe in April, May or June) that the current plan was to go on Steam and GOG, but they were open to going Epic exclusive if the benefits were good. They've consistently said that they were open to it and that they liked what Epic was doing in terms of lowering the already insanely high 30% cut that Steam charges.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Nightlord01 on 02 August 2019, 06:10:37
This is not a legitimate argument. The legitimacy of any given decision is not assessed against the decisions made by the same organization in the past.

No, it is not a legitimate argument because there was no way that PGI, the primary defendants of the lawsuit, were going to be willing to do otherwise. Being willing to stump the majority of the costs to defend your own income is hardly laudable, no matter what other reasons you have for doing it.

I honestly think this has been one of the darker times of the Mechwarrior community.

Not even close, the amount of rage being directed at the Devs is nothing compared to the rage directed at them by people while still in beta. Unsurprisingly a passionate community has people who go over the top in it. Considering there were people threatening to firebomb PGI HQ when 3PV came in, well, this is comparatively tame. You're also over generalizing, might want to throttle back on that, this is a comparatively small amount of the mechwarrior community after all, you are likely seeing an equal or greater number on here simply objecting, as they have every right to do.

They actually did say that. Russ said during an AMA (can't remember which, maybe in April, May or June) that the current plan was to go on Steam and GOG, but they were open to going Epic exclusive if the benefits were good. They've consistently said that they were open to it and that they liked what Epic was doing in terms of lowering the already insanely high 30% cut that Steam charges.

Did they? Citation needed!

Below is the link to the Sarna article which notes the first inkling the community got, which came in during July 19.

https://www.sarna.net/news/is-mechwarrior-5-about-to-go-epic-exclusive/

In fact, here's a link to a tweet indicating that the removal was anything other than EGS exclusive, note: The tweet was from after the deal was signed, hmm.

https://twitter.com/russ_bullock/status/1151180563895615488

I can recall something earlier in the year where they refused to rule it out when EGS was buying up every popular game they could, but IIRC Russ Bullock refused to comment on it, only reiterated that MW5 was planned to release on Steam.

Face it, PGI have constantly failed in their communication with the community, whether it's over promising and under delivering, lying about features in the game, or failing to let the community know about something that was decidedly within their interest to know up until the last minute. Do they deserve threats over this? No, they don't! But they do deserve the rage, although how their fanbase remains loyal is beyond me.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: IAMCLANWOLF on 02 August 2019, 11:17:58
...although how their fanbase remains loyal is beyond me."

^^^...This. Been on-board since the beta. Good times and bad.
'They' have time and again made *very* poor development decisions that have effectively ruined the experience, over time.
Player retention numbers via steam will put any argument about this to rest. 
I, in no way support the immature rage, or disgusting threats of violence.
That said, all the posts here championing/defending this company are baffling.
I think at this point we can all simply agree to disagree, and move on.
We all love/are passionate about this IP. Support it how you best deem appropriate.   
   
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Valerius on 02 August 2019, 22:50:08
My plan was to wait a few years and buy the game during a steam sale anyways.  I never buy full priced games and I never pre order.  Honestly so far the game just doesn't interest me.  Just because it is a mechwarrior/battletech game doesn't mean I need to buy it right away.  It is just a video game. 
While the epic store thing is still scummy, maybe with the extra cash and extra time they can can add more to the game(vr support would be cool).
Well also the fact I don't have a computer that can run it(getting a new computer is not even a priority right now) , and I have lost interest in playing video games.
I will wait and see.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 03 August 2019, 07:36:38
I was trying to do the right thing and felt they were dedicated to the process of getting the game out, so be it.
I do not buy stuff on MWO so this was in my mind's eye of doing so for years of fun i've had on the server.

However, i did not like last minute changes to a unknown (to me) online distributor which i read bad things about it in the regular news.

It's unfortunate they chose go for the money they needed, but its capitalist world.  If was for to pay the bills, i understand, but i honesty don't know.

As for Russ being bad communicator. I'm not known for my (cough) good way conveying to people or writing. However, if he known he had problem, he'd get someone job was to communicate without causing World War III each time he implemented or even spoke about changes.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Stormforge on 03 August 2019, 21:51:32
Wait, WTF!?! Just got back from 2 weeks of camping and find out MW5 is now an Epic exclusive? Is the Epic launcher really that invasive to where it accesses other game launcher's files? I don't want something like that on my PC, but to wait a year for Steam? Glad I didn't pre-order and decided to wait PGI out.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Orin J. on 05 August 2019, 20:06:33
Not even close, the amount of rage being directed at the Devs is nothing compared to the rage directed at them by people while still in beta. Unsurprisingly a passionate community has people who go over the top in it. Considering there were people threatening to firebomb PGI HQ when 3PV came in, well, this is comparatively tame. You're also over generalizing, might want to throttle back on that, this is a comparatively small amount of the mechwarrior community after all, you are likely seeing an equal or greater number on here simply objecting, as they have every right to do.

exactly, putting aside the awful optics of their exclusivity move (which is more likely epic games throwing a dumptruck full of money at them when they couldn't really say no) the MWO player community has been at terminal levels of toxic for ages, probably before the release of clantech. that there's going to be some insanely livid people among the (consistantly high levels of) complainers is simply a given for PGI's fanbase at this point.

even an objectively good move for PGI gets tomatoes thrown at them at this point, this is just a bad move getting what you would expect from this group.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Talen5000 on 05 August 2019, 21:09:49
exactly, putting aside the awful optics of their exclusivity move (which is more likely epic games throwing a dumptruck full of money at them when they couldn't really say no) the MWO player community has been at terminal levels of toxic for ages, probably before the release of clantech. that there's going to be some insanely livid people among the (consistantly high levels of) complainers is simply a given for PGI's fanbase at this point.

even an objectively good move for PGI gets tomatoes thrown at them at this point, this is just a bad move getting what you would expect from this group.

Its a good...even great...move for PGI.
But, I personally do not like Epic.

I can wait a year
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Orin J. on 05 August 2019, 21:46:04
Its a good...even great...move for PGI.
But, I personally do not like Epic.

I can wait a year

taking epic's money is a highly debatable move at this point, as their behaviour in the market has been anticompetetive and anticonsumer and it's possible they'll suffer sufficent legal hurdles in the future from it they simply close down and everyone loses their money on it. there's almost certainly going to be a few class action suits from the games that previously promised a steam download when the game releases then took epic's money, among all the other stuff.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Nightlord01 on 06 August 2019, 04:20:17
exactly, putting aside the awful optics of their exclusivity move (which is more likely epic games throwing a dumptruck full of money at them when they couldn't really say no) the MWO player community has been at terminal levels of toxic for ages, probably before the release of clantech. that there's going to be some insanely livid people among the (consistantly high levels of) complainers is simply a given for PGI's fanbase at this point.

even an objectively good move for PGI gets tomatoes thrown at them at this point, this is just a bad move getting what you would expect from this group.

Huh? You think this is a lot of toxicity? Mate, get out of your foxhole! By and large the MW fan community is quite tame, with only a few outliers, they are passionate, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Claiming an entire community is toxic because the words of a few, how is your reaction to their anger any better?

Note: This has also not been proven to be a good move, it's simply a move at this time, objectively good or bad is something that only time can tell. Will it be a good move financially? Probably, the majority of people don't care one way or the other, which means they will likely get most of their original sales, although I'm quite skeptical that they will reach the claimed 1000000.

Is it a good move reputationally? It probably doesn't matter, PGI have done little more than screw the pooch with their reputation. They have consistently been deceptive and arrogant so I doubt this move is going to hurt them much as their fanbase has already shown it will accept this type of treatment.

The thing that turned my stomach was  Russ Bullocks statement that if MW5 failed then it would be the end of MW games. MW has proven it's a consistent money maker, if MW5 fails then another will pick up the license in a few years and it will be back on track just sans PGI. Honestly that could actually be a good thing, this was classic fear mongering seeking to push people into preorder.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 06 August 2019, 11:34:57
The thing that turned my stomach was  Russ Bullocks statement that if MW5 failed then it would be the end of MW games. MW has proven it's a consistent money maker, if MW5 fails then another will pick up the license in a few years and it will be back on track just sans PGI. Honestly that could actually be a good thing, this was classic fear mongering seeking to push people into preorder.
I think he was thinking about himself and PGI.  Unless Hairbrain or other companies have some kind of hidden / unspoken complications getting the computer copyrights to be able publish Battletech / MechWarrior style games. 

I submitted my cancel to preorder, i only want the steam version.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Nightlord01 on 07 August 2019, 04:01:26
I think he was thinking about himself and PGI.  Unless Hairbrain or other companies have some kind of hidden / unspoken complications getting the computer copyrights to be able publish Battletech / MechWarrior style games. 

I submitted my cancel to preorder, i only want the steam version.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutreachHPG/comments/a7hcbj/russ_bullock_if_mw5_bombs_it_could_be_the_last/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/OutreachHPG/comments/a7hcbj/russ_bullock_if_mw5_bombs_it_could_be_the_last/)

While I would agree PGI did a lot of legwork on this one, and MicroSoft was committed to never doing another BT game, the statement itself is a wishy washy statement designed to evoke a specific reaction to support their desires. He wasn't talking about PGI's MW, but MW in general.

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Post by: Wrangler on 07 August 2019, 08:41:22
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutreachHPG/comments/a7hcbj/russ_bullock_if_mw5_bombs_it_could_be_the_last/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/OutreachHPG/comments/a7hcbj/russ_bullock_if_mw5_bombs_it_could_be_the_last/)

While I would agree PGI did a lot of legwork on this one, and MicroSoft was committed to never doing another BT game, the statement itself is a wishy washy statement designed to evoke a specific reaction to support their desires. He wasn't talking about PGI's MW, but MW in general.
This is why i hate big corporations buying small ones. It kills stuff.  Including games. 
Problem to me is PGI needs new leadership or guidance.  They keep doing stuff makes themselves look worse than they really are.
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Post by: pheonixstorm on 10 August 2019, 17:35:22
Likely the contract with Epic has a minimum sales target in it. If the game doesn't sell X copies in the first year Epic will pay PGI for target - actual sales. So if they expected 500,000 sales but only get 50,000 Epic is on the hook for 450,000 units. It was like this for another game that went exclusive. Hell Epic even paid refunds for a game that the developer refused to do.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: SteveRestless on 31 August 2019, 16:09:44
I cashed in for a refund.

There's no way I'm installing Epic Game Store on any of my machines. (But Steve, people boycott these things and cave all the time! Not me, I still haven't installed Origin even once.)

The only way I would have stuck with the pre-order is if they offered a physical install copy (I'd even pay extra) that did not tie the game to a digital distribution platform at all. So it would be Epic Store exclusive as far as digital download went, but I could bypass that by installing manually and skipping all the EGS crap.

Gotta say...so much venom against the company that foot 90% plus of the legal costs to defeat a certain lawsuit and bring closure to a decades long conflict that has finally allowed certain models to be featured in an upcoming Kickstarter...but then...:

I did take this into consideration.

MWO makes a LOT of decisions that keep me from loving them. They are just shy of greatness in my opinion, but they keep making moves that sour my opinion of them. I have long spans of time where I've just refused to play the game because I can't stand it. I'll never get the MW game I really want.

When they defeated Harmony Gold, it was enough to get me to put a lot of that aside, come back, and buy a few mech packs to show my gratitude.

At the end of the day though, the Unseen are of far more importance to Succession Wars Spheroid Players than they are someone as fixated on the clans as I am. They certainly aren't important enough to me to make me overlook EGS. Especially since MW5 is more succession wars navel gazing.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 31 August 2019, 22:45:13
I got mine refunded. I hope PGI survives this. 
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: pheonixstorm on 03 September 2019, 16:00:48
If they have a minimum sales clause they will. Another outfit was offered money plus a clause that would have Epic pay for the difference between expected units and actual unit sold. Then again, if you don't take the offer Epic won't consider putting you on their storefront.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Jayof9s on 03 September 2019, 22:17:00
Then again, if you don't take the offer Epic won't consider putting you on their storefront.

Good thing they avoided that, they could have lost dozens of sales!
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Post by: mechnut450 on 05 November 2019, 10:55:33
not sure who else still waiting but I knowess they pushed the open beta test dates from Nov 10th to the @6 now. I was all ready to enjoy beta testing that week as I was only scheduled for 3 days of work now   I got to wait until later ( and i wont get to beta much since i work retail and will be busy as can be.)
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 05 November 2019, 11:19:52
Guess they want make sure it's seamless as possible since the criticism is so high.
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Post by: Jayof9s on 05 November 2019, 13:39:20
I'd be pretty worried about the state of the game if they can't push out the 'closed beta' any earlier when they've confirmed, multiple times, that it is just going to be instant-action.
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Post by: Insaniac99 on 05 November 2019, 17:00:38
I'd be pretty worried about the state of the game if they can't push out the 'closed beta' any earlier when they've confirmed, multiple times, that it is just going to be instant-action.

I was worried when they said it was in alpha on the date they were originally planning to be in beta.

I hope it lasts long enough to release to Steam or GoG where I'll buy it.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Jayof9s on 05 November 2019, 18:54:44
I was worried when they said it was in alpha on the date they were originally planning to be in beta.

I hope it lasts long enough to release to Steam or GoG where I'll buy it.

Yeah, I meant "I'd be worried if I hadn't already gotten a refund..." but left out that second half.

I'll be shocked if the game isn't a dumpster fire on release. As you said, I hope it exists long enough to make it out of the exclusivity period.
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Post by: Nightlord01 on 06 November 2019, 05:36:43
Yeah, I meant "I'd be worried if I hadn't already gotten a refund..." but left out that second half.

I'll be shocked if the game isn't a dumpster fire on release. As you said, I hope it exists long enough to make it out of the exclusivity period.

To put it as bluntly as I can, if the game is that much of a dumpster fire, then I want no part of it. I'd rather have no MW than a terrible one to tarnish my memories.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 06 November 2019, 07:37:09
I still like playing on MWO for the community whom i get play with. You may have different experiences, but to be in game with people who mutually like our Battletech universe or just playing because they enjoy the game play is gold for me despite the issues.
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Post by: Sartris on 06 November 2019, 16:48:04
To put it as bluntly as I can, if the game is that much of a dumpster fire, then I want no part of it. I'd rather have no MW than a terrible one to tarnish my memories.

and the perceived viability of the IP
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Post by: marauder648 on 21 November 2019, 11:51:03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5FWZYuyeDY&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2POm7wQrbE3y5Ndt8YyTjegieDY-uQ7BLA-fy98ySQP_hcsKh1Znmdajo

That jump sequence on the JumpShip! :3

I'm looking forwards to playing this. Personally I don't really care about the fraccas about it going to the other site and not STEAM right away. I'll just be happy being able to play it.
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Post by: Maingunnery on 21 November 2019, 13:02:36

That is looking quite good.
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Post by: NeonKnight on 21 November 2019, 13:13:52
Yeppers...I thought today was the Day of BETA, but guess it's next Week.

Today is HEAVY METAL tho, so Battletech it is.
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Post by: Cyc on 21 November 2019, 20:55:22
Hmm, same JumpShip model as HBS game - shared with HBS by PGI or shared with PGI by HBS?

ComStar compound, let's just shoot it up, I'm sure that will go well...
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Post by: BATTLEMASTER on 21 November 2019, 23:05:15
I'd love it if someone had a GIF of that jumpship materializing!
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cyc on 23 November 2019, 03:55:08
Interesting - PGI running an MWO event that purports to list the 'Mechs and variants in MW5 - https://mwomercs.com/news/2019/11/2357-mw5-mech-sale-challenges

No Roughneck or Corsair, but also no Dervish, Vulcan, Charger or Marauder II...
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Caedis Animus on 23 November 2019, 06:32:52
No Roughneck or Corsair, but also no Dervish, Vulcan, Charger or Marauder II...
That actually annoys me a ton. Like, the Dervish was something I actually wanted to use, along with a Corsair.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cyc on 23 November 2019, 07:03:42
That actually annoys me a ton. Like, the Dervish was something I actually wanted to use, along with a Corsair.

The most recent 'Mech released is Flea, so did PGI lock 'Mechs to be added in game as far back at early 2018? Rest for any future Clan Invasion era DLC expansion perhaps?

Also interesting, apparently MW5 will have Hero 'Mech variants among their roster, they are included in the list for the event and also the Shadow Hawk Hero is the first 'Mech piloted in the walkthrough video.
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Post by: kato on 23 November 2019, 07:16:04
The list is a bit... uh, mixed?

RVN-2X/-4X in there, okay, later game maybe.
MAD-5D... yeah, well, let's say post-Helm prototype, not the production model. Sliiight bit of a stretch.

Bounty Hunter II though?
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cyc on 23 November 2019, 07:31:14
The list is a bit... uh, mixed?

RVN-2X/-4X in there, okay, later game maybe.
MAD-5D... yeah, well, let's say post-Helm prototype, not the production model. Sliiight bit of a stretch.

Bounty Hunter II though?

Game runs until the Clan Invasion, I suspect/hope we aren't getting things like the Mauler too early...
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Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 24 November 2019, 00:06:02
The game looks fantastic.

Which is why I'm probably not going to get it- I don't trust my laptop to be able to handle a game like that given that it's had issues with PS3/XBox 360 games.
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Post by: Wrangler on 24 November 2019, 18:00:27
Still waiting for steam.
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Post by: NeonKnight on 26 November 2019, 16:02:24
BETA IS NOW LIVE!
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Post by: MarauderD on 27 November 2019, 11:12:57
Beta is impressively beautiful and runs like butter on my machine.  Now I wish MWO had been on the unreal engine; what a difference!

Cons:  AI reminds me of MW3.  It is that bad!
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: kato on 27 November 2019, 12:20:38
Cons:  AI reminds me of MW3.  It is that bad!
Enemy or lancemate AI ? If the latter, did you try switching the setting to another level?
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cyc on 27 November 2019, 15:44:01
Intro cinematic! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GlM-WLsXLw

Of course Beta owners could have watched it already if they dug around in the game folders, video guides for all the game features there...

Enemy or lancemate AI ? If the latter, did you try switching the setting to another level?

Both and even though you can bump up the supposed quality of your AI lance mates, the harder missions are just "throw more waves of enemies" difficulty increase not smarter enemies.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: DarkSpade on 27 November 2019, 19:39:01
Wow, please tell me the opening cinematic is in beta too.   I mean, when I first start a campaign?  Sure.  When I first load the game? No.  That was crap.

Look at mechwarrior 4 and Mechcommander.  Those were intros!  Hell, even MW4:Mercs' in game footage intro was better than this. EDIT: HBS did better and they used all 2D images!
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Sartris on 27 November 2019, 20:04:42
Beta is impressively beautiful and runs like butter on my machine.  Now I wish MWO had been on the unreal engine; what a difference!

Cons:  AI reminds me of MW3.  It is that bad!

What are your basic specs
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 27 November 2019, 20:30:37
Beta is impressively beautiful and runs like butter on my machine.  Now I wish MWO had been on the unreal engine; what a difference!

Cons:  AI reminds me of MW3.  It is that bad!
Its been decades since i played MW3.  What kind bad we talking about?  Reckless and dumb or terrifying good?
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Post by: Euphonium on 27 November 2019, 21:49:50
Wow, please tell me the opening cinematic is in beta too.   I mean, when I first start a campaign?  Sure.  When I first load the game? No.  That was crap.

Look at mechwarrior 4 and Mechcommander.  Those were intros!  Hell, even MW4:Mercs' in game footage intro was better than this. EDIT: HBS did better and they used all 2D images!

I could live with that video, it was the voiceover that made me cringe.

I think I may have to admit that I've been so eager for a new MW game for so long that my expectations may have become unrealistic because this does not look promising so far  :(
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Post by: marauder648 on 28 November 2019, 08:13:55
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mechwarrior5/comments/e2i9fb/warcrimes_clip_of_the_b33f_twitch_clips/

Beef wanted to be shot at.

He regretted it.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Caedis Animus on 28 November 2019, 15:39:15
Interesting - PGI running an MWO event that purports to list the 'Mechs and variants in MW5 - https://mwomercs.com/news/2019/11/2357-mw5-mech-sale-challenges

No Roughneck or Corsair, but also no Dervish, Vulcan, Charger or Marauder II...
Apparently the Corsair actually is in the game, according to some link someone posted from Discord;

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/649075072828702764/649497619751501824/Corsair.png (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/649075072828702764/649497619751501824/Corsair.png)
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Post by: Stormforge on 28 November 2019, 17:24:34
Been watching a bit on Twitch, and so far I like a lot of what I am seeing.

Couple of things though.

Some of the maps might be a bit on the small side. IMO. Warzone for example.

Dropships are dropping way too close to the fight. There would be a lot of crashed Leopards due to lawn dart checks. In this game they seem to be invincible. Warzone and Defense missions are good missions to see this.

Pulse Lasers sound like a machine gun. Huh? Hopefully just a placeholder for the Beta.
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Post by: Wrangler on 28 November 2019, 17:32:18
Is Corsair going to MW5?
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Post by: Stormforge on 28 November 2019, 17:45:13
Is Corsair going to MW5?

Up two posts.

Apparently the Corsair actually is in the game, according to some link someone posted from Discord;

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/649075072828702764/649497619751501824/Corsair.png (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/649075072828702764/649497619751501824/Corsair.png)
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Post by: Wrangler on 29 November 2019, 00:41:52
MW5 how it basically works (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=200&v=E5FWZYuyeDY&feature=emb_logo)
This was more interesting. Showing how the repair system works and how game works.

I certainly look forward to the steam version. I've been watching the Twitch beta runs. Sucker not ready yet.  Guy playing was blinded by Jagermech's acs and utterly killed his Nightstar. 
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Post by: mechnut450 on 29 November 2019, 22:29:18
so busy wit  work i not played but 3 missions,   my only grip is configuration of the keys  right now , game runs smooth on my older fx set up ( with a 580 gpu ) and all setting high i was shocked.
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Post by: pheonixstorm on 04 December 2019, 12:08:07
That intro was....

A bit of a let down.
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Post by: Cache on 04 December 2019, 12:15:03
That intro was....

A bit of a let down.
Massive understatement.
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Post by: Cyc on 05 December 2019, 16:19:03
Launch Trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDtVSX3I-Y4&t=0s

Bit more actiony not so cinematic
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 05 December 2019, 17:32:17
Did they ever say why the King Crab is the flagship mech for the game?
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Caedis Animus on 05 December 2019, 17:47:56
Did they ever say why the King Crab is the flagship mech for the game?
I mean, it's pretty cool. And dangerous. And I'd assume they didn't want the Atlas as the mascot again.

Now, as for why they didn't go for a Trebuchet as the mascot? I'm not sure, but I'm mad about that.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 05 December 2019, 18:12:03
It's a cool mech, but it's really not at all iconic of the time period the game is set in.
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Post by: Euphonium on 05 December 2019, 20:09:48
That was a much better trailer!

Although that could just be because the opening felt like a tribute the the MW3 opening cinematic  ;)

I'll still wait for it to come to GoG though.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 06 December 2019, 08:47:26
Maybe the budget was cut when they did this latest trailer. Maybe they outsourced folks who made vid, this time they went with someone else.  Newest one was not impressive.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Maingunnery on 07 December 2019, 16:05:51

I am looking into assembling a new Win10 PC soon, so I want to know if there are specific system requirements?
I am not looking for states but more specific hardware if possible.

Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Caedis Animus on 07 December 2019, 17:24:17
I am looking into assembling a new Win10 PC soon, so I want to know if there are specific system requirements?
I am not looking for states but more specific hardware if possible.
You're going to want above the minimum specs. A good chunk above, really.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cyc on 07 December 2019, 18:06:03
I am looking into assembling a new Win10 PC soon, so I want to know if there are specific system requirements?
I am not looking for states but more specific hardware if possible.

Updated specs from MW5 discord:
RTX will not be available on Day 1 of MW5's release, however it's super close and we'll announce the date for it soon! We want to just make sure it's as good as it can be once it becomes available!

On another note, we've updated our Minimum and Recommended System Requirements! See below:

Minimum System Requirements
CPU: Intel Core i3-7100/AMD Ryzen 3 1200
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770/AMD Radeon R9 280X
RAM: 8GB
OS: Windows 7, Windows 8.1 or Windows 10 (64-bit versions)
HDD: 55GB free space
DirectX: Version 11

Recommended System Requirements
CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K/AMD Ryzen 7 1700
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070/AMD RX Vega 56
RAM: 16GB
OS: Windows 7, Windows 8.1 or Windows 10 (64-bit versions)
HDD: 55GB free space (SSD)
DirectX: Version 11
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Post by: DarkSpade on 07 December 2019, 18:42:04
I'm in the middle there so I guess I'm good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cyc on 08 December 2019, 01:03:42
My desktop and work laptop are now below update minimum spec yet play the demo fine, though admittedly on lowed graphics levels. Will have to see how the full game performs and if I need to bring forward planned christmas gift to myself.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cyc on 08 December 2019, 06:49:17
Video Chums - Let's Play MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HtLFf-30TY
 
Basically 50 minutes of campaign (tutorial and first mission) with non-MechWarrior player. Loves third person too much. Pines of in-mission health regen.

It indicates demo is a good repesentation of what the finished product will be, aside from any minor bug fixes being promised. Demo HUD is live HUD. Tanks in first mission running through their own base shows AI quality is probably no better than in demo.

The overly static nature of unit members in Leopard is a worry :(

And Elias Toufexis is Sebastian Spears, he really is a BattleTech fan after all it seems.
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Post by: BATTLEMASTER on 08 December 2019, 09:07:08
Did they ever say why the King Crab is the flagship mech for the game?

The same reason the Mauler was on the MW2 Mercs cover I imagine. It just looks cool!

I'm thankful that we have some pretty cool looking 'mechs in the Battletech universe.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Wrangler on 08 December 2019, 09:19:44
Not fan of them adding Nightstar with gauss rifles in 3017 unless the beta allows for that.
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Post by: kato on 08 December 2019, 09:46:06
The overly static nature of unit members in Leopard is a worry :(
That should be fairly easy (quick) to fix with the engine - they already follow the character with the head (within a certain angle), just turn the rest of the body towards the character too once in interaction.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: kato on 08 December 2019, 14:00:49
Video has been taken offline as to be expected.
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Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 08 December 2019, 14:54:36
The same reason the Mauler was on the MW2 Mercs cover I imagine. It just looks cool!

I'm thankful that we have some pretty cool looking 'mechs in the Battletech universe.

The difference is that the Mauler is actually associated with the time period that Mechwarror 2 Mercenaries is set in, while the Giant Enemy Crab is not much associated with the early 31st Century and was, in fact, nearly extinct by that point.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Caedis Animus on 08 December 2019, 21:42:21
Not fan of them adding Nightstar with gauss rifles in 3017 unless the beta allows for that.
It's an arcade mode beta. Much like playing Instant Action missions in Mechwarrior 4.

Less a representation of the earlygame, and more a representation of the late, late, lategame. Not like you can drop with a full lance of Fafnirs with every mission in MW4 Mercs vanilla.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Cyc on 10 December 2019, 10:15:10
Pre-order Keys have dropped! Go! Go! Go!
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: MarauderD on 10 December 2019, 13:32:33
First couple missions are fun--no spoilers.

Overall, the graphical improvements over MWO are immense.  Better 'Mech' feel.  Light mechs feel sprightly, but not like anime mecha. 

I'm in a place with job and home commitments I think my 30 minutes I squeezed in this morning may be my last until Christmas.  Oh well!

Best,
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Post by: Bedwyr on 10 December 2019, 13:40:27
First couple missions are fun--no spoilers.

Overall, the graphical improvements over MWO are immense.  Better 'Mech' feel.  Light mechs feel sprightly, but not like anime mecha. 

I'm in a place with job and home commitments I think my 30 minutes I squeezed in this morning may be my last until Christmas.  Oh well!

Best,

Ah, good. So there's "heft" to the machines, if you will? I've been encouraged by the Ars article describing the experience after binding controls to a HOTAS setup: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/12/how-mechwarriors-return-took-me-back-to-the-early-90s-mall-in-my-mind/
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 10 December 2019, 14:15:33
Oh yes - definitely heft - and running into a building will slow you down.

The first few missions, are yes very fun, but....would have been nice to skip the first mission entirely, as having playing MWO since closed Beta Days, I am quite familiar with how to work my mech, lock on, etc.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Leondus on 10 December 2019, 14:21:57
I got a feeling before the end of this month there's going to be two or three critical updates so I'm going to wait before I buy but I've already got my machine well past recommended specs
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: mechnut450 on 10 December 2019, 16:40:28
downloading now ( been at  work all day.)  I will attempt to video a few minutes of play for teasers if anyone wants lol.. I dont have best system but it above the recommended ones right now.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Leondus on 10 December 2019, 20:35:17
downloading now ( been at  work all day.)  I will attempt to video a few minutes of play for teasers if anyone wants lol.. I dont have best system but it above the recommended ones right now.
I would love a video to see the starting next mechs or mech, I'm hoping it random
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: NeonKnight on 10 December 2019, 21:45:21
I would love a video to see the starting next mechs or mech, I'm hoping it random

Centurion that then gets Beat to heck, then run a Javelin, then recruit a pilot with a Jenner - then the campaign begins in earnest
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: DarkSpade on 10 December 2019, 21:54:44
PCGamer did their review.  Says The AI needs work and the story/acting is garbage, but everything else is wonderful.
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Leondus on 10 December 2019, 23:59:28
PCGamer did their review.  Says The AI needs work and the story/acting is garbage, but everything else is wonderful.

Cool :)
But I'm at 23GB of data and roll over to 1024GB is not until the 1st :(
Title: Re: MW5 Pre-Order is Upon Us.
Post by: Stormforge on 11 December 2019, 11:34:11
Some bad level design going on with this game.

Started a mission where my mech wasn't even finished starting up and I was being fired upon. Another mission I moved 600-700m from my spawn location, killed some enemies, and then was being pummeled in the back from some enemies that spawned in at my start point. Defense missions where if you move away from the objective there are enemies spawning right on top of you around 10m or so. Not being dropped just appearing.

They could have just randomly placed, say 10 or so, spawn locations around the map. Run a script to determine the player(s) mech's location. From that pick a location 1500-2500m from the player. Then spawn in the units with a waypoint to the closest player, closest objective to the player, or even leave them static at that location for some missions.

Not even going to touch upon the AI pathfinding. Especially friendly units in Defense missions.

Am I liking the game overall? Yes, but there are things, like the above, that are completely breaking the immersion. A bit frustrating at times too.
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Post by: NeonKnight on 11 December 2019, 11:50:31
Some bad level design going on with this game.

Started a mission where my mech wasn't even finished starting up and I was being fired upon. Another mission I moved 600-700m from my spawn location, killed some enemies, and then was being pummeled in the back from some enemies that spawned in at my start point. Defense missions where if you move away from the objective there are enemies spawning right on top of you around 10m or so. Not being dropped just appearing.

They could have just randomly placed, say 10 or so, spawn locations around the map. Run a script to determine the player(s) mech's location. From that pick a location 1500-2500m from the player. Then spawn in the units with a waypoint to the closest player, closest objective to the player, or even leave them static at that location for some missions.

Not even going to touch upon the AI pathfinding. Especially friendly units in Defense missions.

Am I liking the game overall? Yes, but there are things, like the above, that are completely breaking the immersion. A bit frustrating at times too.

The issue is, the maps are all random, being built of tiles. Think, of the map being a 4x6 grid pattern, and the map-builder has 100 different tiles to choose from. So, 4 of those tiles must be a corner tile, and then between those corners 2 side tiles on the left/right, and 4 side tiles for Top and Bottom. Then, in the middle 8 non-side tiles. So, the calculations for spawn locations and waypoints would infintesimal to account for every permutation of the tile arrangements.

I played two years ago a very rough pre-alpha at mech-Con, in my mission the map generated had the Drop Ship land on top of a mountain that I needed to scale down to get to the objective. The person after me on the same mission got a virtually flat plain to traverse to the objective.

The Tile idea is fabulous as it allows for a near infinite variety of maps (I am assuming only certain campaign centric maps will be the same for all players - i.e. the First Raid mission for the player to find 3 supply crates), but all generic missions are random. the kicker is sometimes, the map algorithm will throw a wrench into the works and give a whoopsie map. head-Canon/hand-wavium it to bad intel ;)
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Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 11 December 2019, 11:55:48
Reminds me of the non-story missions in Mechwarrior 2 Mercenaries.

Though the being fired upon immediately after the map loads reminds me of a couple really bad Mechwarrior 2 core game missions.
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Post by: Stormforge on 11 December 2019, 12:38:58
The issue is, the maps are all random, being built of tiles. Think, of the map being a 4x6 grid pattern, and the map-builder has 100 different tiles to choose from. So, 4 of those tiles must be a corner tile, and then between those corners 2 side tiles on the left/right, and 4 side tiles for Top and Bottom. Then, in the middle 8 non-side tiles. So, the calculations for spawn locations and waypoints would infintesimal to account for every permutation of the tile arrangements.

I played two years ago a very rough pre-alpha at mech-Con, in my mission the map generated had the Drop Ship land on top of a mountain that I needed to scale down to get to the objective. The person after me on the same mission got a virtually flat plain to traverse to the objective.

The Tile idea is fabulous as it allows for a near infinite variety of maps (I am assuming only certain campaign centric maps will be the same for all players - i.e. the First Raid mission for the player to find 3 supply crates), but all generic missions are random. the kicker is sometimes, the map algorithm will throw a wrench into the works and give a whoopsie map. head-Canon/hand-wavium it to bad intel ;)

Even building the maps from tiles you should be able to pre-place spawn locations then run a script to determine a good spawn location. Pathfinding with waypoints would be more difficult and may end up with units getting stuck on their way to it.
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Post by: BATTLEMASTER on 11 December 2019, 13:21:54
So I haven't played this game yet, and I probably won't for a long time.  Therefore my opinion is based on the reviews and opinions of others.

I read the PC Gamer review and I can't stand how PGI really shortchanged the fluff in the game.  Spelling errors, really?  The dialogue, voice acting, and so on really deserved better.

While the 'mech combat may be great, physical attacks are still absent.  To the PC Gamer reviews point, physical shouldn't be an issue these days and are really doable. I might as well keep playing MWO for the 'mech combat till it dies instead of buying this game just to hear and see poor story delivery along with the combat.

Another thing that gets me is some folks saying if we don't support this game, it's going to kill Mechwarrior games for sure.  I see it this way:  What's going to kill Mechwarrior is subpar development putting out a lousy product.  Blame on the playerbase is grossly misplaced.

If I win the lottery, I want to buy the Mechwarrior license and develop the game we've desired for years :D
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Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 11 December 2019, 13:46:20
Another thing that gets me is some folks saying if we don't support this game, it's going to kill Mechwarrior games for sure.  I see it this way:  What's going to kill Mechwarrior is subpar development putting out a lousy product.  Blame on the playerbase is grossly misplaced.

Don't know who's saying that, but I'll second that in life in general you should never reward someone for phoning in their job.  If they're not willing to put actual effort into the product they don't deserve support.
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Post by: mechnut450 on 11 December 2019, 13:51:45
so I got to play about 3 missions so far ( I suck at piloting lol I not use to having to use the set keys to steer lol( this due to custom configs in older games.)  but I can say a lot of graphic detail and power does get use. ( my 580 maxed out under high settings) and I feel you are going to need a higher end card ( or dual cards) to get some high frame rates
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Post by: Stormforge on 11 December 2019, 14:09:21
This is more being a stickler for lore than anything, but why do they feel the need to change vehicles. Warrior H-7 with a Medium Laser and 2 SRM-2s? What was wrong with the AC-2 and SRM-4? J. Edgars with not a single lore variant, at least they changed the variant names unlike the Warrior. I have yet to pay attention long enough to Manticore tanks to see what they carry. Too busy killing them quick. They do have a PPC and LRM at least. Same with Harrasers that die quick but are a bit slow. Slow speed is the same with the J. Edgar. The Scorpion Tank seems to be the only one I have seen that isn't changed.

Edit - Manticore has the correct loadout. So 2 unchanged so far.
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Post by: Leondus on 11 December 2019, 15:47:56
so I got to play about 3 missions so far ( I suck at piloting lol I not use to having to use the set keys to steer lol( this due to custom configs in older games.)  but I can say a lot of graphic detail and power does get use. ( my 580 maxed out under high settings) and I feel you are going to need a higher end card ( or dual cards) to get some high frame rates

Is your 580 the 8 gig? I just picked up an XFX Radeon RX 580 GTS 8 gig Black Edition on cyber Monday along with another 8gig ram stick.
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Post by: Caedis Animus on 11 December 2019, 22:28:03
Ugh.

I hate being so disappointed, but this game's first showing and impressions are impressively mediocre. NPC animations looking like they were ripped from early No Man's Sky, static and ugly faces, awful hair textures, the whole nine. PGI's mechs and gameplay work fine, but the Mechlab should've aped HBSBT instead of going for this walkabout garbage.
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Post by: mechnut450 on 12 December 2019, 09:44:40
Is your 580 the 8 gig? I just picked up an XFX Radeon RX 580 GTS 8 gig Black Edition on cyber Monday along with another 8gig ram stick.
  yes it is ( and i have the fans set to max speed)  Mine was a black Friday special from last year. ( and I consider getting either a second one or a geforce card for my next pc build.  I cant find a water block for this card due to it being a Best buy edition type deal ( I think it bs just a special sku)
Don't get me wrong  now the game preforms great I have everything turned up to max, and it not choppy at all. I just know when I ran the graphs for usage the gpu was maxed at 99% and my cpu was like only 40% ( now i do have a older model fx 8320 cpu ) and only the cpu is water cooled . I do have the cpu overclocked to about 4ghz and the gpu up to about 2100mhs memory speed( i not sure if i want ot overclock the gpu processor as it only a1400mhs chip and boosted to about 1475  from factory )
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Post by: Cache on 13 December 2019, 14:58:37
So... did they happen to add a rear-facing camera? Or rear-facing radar/sensors at the very least? Big failure of MWO is the blindspot to your rear, IMO.
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Post by: PyreLight on 13 December 2019, 19:35:15
I am loving this game once you get out of the intro missions and the bad impressions from the badly animated NPCs. The game systems are ace and the mech action is perfect. Spawn points are the major thing that needs fixing and a year from now, after the game has received patches, DLC, and mods, it will be the definitive Mechwarrior game. Just remember how Battletech (HBS) was when it came out and how it matured since then. MW5 just needs some polish and some more updates and fixes, and it's set for a heavenly trajectory with content and mods.
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Post by: BATTLEMASTER on 13 December 2019, 21:50:33
I am loving this game once you get out of the intro missions and the bad impressions from the badly animated NPCs. The game systems are ace and the mech action is perfect. Spawn points are the major thing that needs fixing and a year from now, after the game has received patches, DLC, and mods, it will be the definitive Mechwarrior game. Just remember how Battletech (HBS) was when it came out and how it matured since then. MW5 just needs some polish and some more updates and fixes, and it's set for a heavenly trajectory with content and mods.

That is my hope when it becomes available outside of Epic Games.  I think I'll hold you to that  :))
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Post by: mechnut450 on 13 December 2019, 22:19:34
fyi  everyone there a update already  out for mw5
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Post by: DarkISI on 15 December 2019, 10:05:09
Can anyone tell me, what exactly Hero Mechs do? Could have bought an Urbanmech Hero, but decided against it, because it ... Was an Urbie. Anyway, what would have been the difference to a regular Urbie?
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Post by: NeonKnight on 15 December 2019, 12:09:59
Hero mechs are unique loadouts.
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Post by: Stormforge on 15 December 2019, 15:00:34
Tend to be upgraded tech too. Double Heat Sinks, Gauss Rifles, Pulse Lasers, etc. You can just buy them and strip them of their goodies to put on other mechs. Though you may end up losing the equipment later on to damage.
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Post by: DarkISI on 15 December 2019, 15:11:30
Thank you. Will take a look at the Urbie again, but even with upgraded tech it doesn't seem worth it.
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Post by: DarkISI on 15 December 2019, 15:11:46
I assume the same goes for "rare" variants?
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Post by: Stormforge on 15 December 2019, 15:19:04
Rare variants tend to be Intro Tech but with no damage. Ready to go right out of the shipping container.
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Post by: Caedis Animus on 15 December 2019, 17:10:49
Thank you. Will take a look at the Urbie again, but even with upgraded tech it doesn't seem worth it.
Some also have unique hardpoint kits and extra tonnage to go along with that upgraded tech. Example, Atlas Boar's Head runs much faster than a regular Atlas. Or the Cicada X5 can mount light missiles. Or the Panther Katana Kat comes with the free tonnage to dual wield PPCs.

Generally, they are better due to being straight upgrades compared to the poor stocks in this game. (Literally no reason to use an AS7-K when the Atlas Kraken exists. No reason to use anything but the hero Shadowhawk, and no reason to use anything but the hero Panther.)
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Post by: mechnut450 on 15 December 2019, 22:22:31
cool to know i not seen hero mechs yet.. might still be early for me but i also nt seen much in way of mech salvage mainlt weapons lol. i just finished the  mining mission when i last played.
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Post by: DarkISI on 16 December 2019, 07:49:46
cool to know i not seen hero mechs yet.. might still be early for me but i also nt seen much in way of mech salvage mainlt weapons lol. i just finished the  mining mission when i last played.

Try traveling to a hub that is part of a "network", that's where I found the Urbie very early on.
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Post by: PyreLight on 16 December 2019, 20:17:26
New patch is out that fixes HOTAS support and spawn issues, along a wide range of other issues.

https://mw5mercs.com/news/2019/12/19-mw5-mercs-patch
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Post by: Notsonoble on 18 December 2019, 15:44:19
Having watched Tirak's play on YT. I probably won't even get this after it stops being epic exclusive. It really looks terrible.
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Post by: Nightlord01 on 19 December 2019, 07:17:39
Having watched Tirak's play on YT. I probably won't even get this after it stops being epic exclusive. It really looks terrible.

I've been watching Baradul, and while I wouldn't call it terrible, it's most certainly underwhelming. Even with additional time the UI is horrible, the HUD is worse than MWO, and the AI looks worse than MW3.

It looks like PGI are committed to improving the game however, that's one good thing.
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Post by: PyreLight on 21 December 2019, 17:57:05
Having watched Tirak's play on YT. I probably won't even get this after it stops being epic exclusive. It really looks terrible.

It's really good though.
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Post by: Apocal on 21 December 2019, 22:49:23
I feel like the game would have been better if they'd used actual individual and unit tactics to increase the difficulty rather than endless waves of trash mobs to wear you down. Sure a greenhorn LRM carrier might mosey on right up to you and start circling, but the veteran crews will hang back outside of LoS and pelt you with missiles while you're brawling with other units. At higher difficulties, they might use one high speed (i.e. not coming to a hover) Warrior as a spotter while a platoon of LRM carriers together rains down. Instead of VTOLs hovering, having them operate in packs of 4-8, each one making a high speed slashing attack from a different direction, in series, so the window to engage is limited and exposes your other sides to attack at the same time.

Mechs already fight decently well, albeit occasionally at the wrong ranges (why do Griffins get up close to my Centurion?) or the sort of bravery best described by suicide attempts.

And occasionally, the objectives should be traps -- just ambushes to sucker in the player's lance and leave it up to us to figure it out and call for an evac.

Maybe it is just me, but that would be much more satisfying to play around with than waves of mooks, with the occasional big hitter to liven things up.
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Post by: Leondus on 22 December 2019, 01:45:37
 I'm not a hardcore veteran but I do remember playing in the first MechWarrior on a 286DX Turbo rocking EGA video.
I have watched so many 'let play' on YouTube I've decided just to wait awhile myself until a few more patches come out that fix the enemy spawning and AI.

 but this is just my two cents
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Post by: Apocal on 22 December 2019, 04:20:37
I'm not a hardcore veteran but I do remember playing in the first MechWarrior on a 286DX Turbo rocking EGA video.
I have watched so many 'let play' on YouTube I've decided just to wait awhile myself until a few more patches come out that fix the enemy spawning and AI.

 but this is just my two cents

The spawning has already hit the first round of fixes, quick patch-overs to make it less blatantly obvious they are spawning behind you. The next fix is supposed to be a bigger one but requires testing before implementation. The higher-level campaign gameplay, being a merc and getting paid to slay, is pretty solid though. When the in-mission gameplay is good, it is right up there with the previous incarnations. MW5 doesn't really have a huge delete button for mechs, at least early in the game, so fights are usually fairly meaty and reasonably drawn out.

I have to say that now that I have realized the weapons are simple tiers that the stripped-down mechlab really blasts my ass. The impression I had from AMAs was that the weapons were going to have tradeoffs between manufacturers, not just be an exercise in looking for more bars. HBS Battletech, despite their simplified + improvements at least retained the idea of opportunity costs (even if some were clearly superior to others, like the Kali Yama AC/20s vs. any other maker) so there were tradeoffs to be made in mounting one or another. That's hopefully the first thing the modders tackle; not just different tiers, but different advantages, like longer-burning but cooler-running large lasers or PPCs with a higher minimum in exchange for more damage. They already half-way did it with stream LRMs and burst-fire autocannons, so might as well go whole-hog. As of right now, it is a straitjacket.

As for nostalgic comparisons, MW2 was still an amazing game even though tactically the AI mechs only closed to short-range and started circling. They had no other tactics whatsoever, which was only disguised by the fact that in early missions your mech was (probably) so fast that you could force them between circling and pursuing with a single hard turn at high-throttle and in later missions by your weapons being able to delete hostile mechs at long range. I still remember (or rather, I cheated and reminded myself with a playthrough) of fingernail scraping the fire button with Ultra Autocannons because they'd fire like 10 rounds a second at TT-accurate damage values vs. TT-accurage armor values. Instant mech death.