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Title: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion, Vol. 1
Post by: Cubby on 13 June 2019, 13:04:39
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Kickstarter campaign is LIVE! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/battletech-clan-invasion
 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/battletech-clan-invasion)

In 3050, the true heirs of the lost Star League thunder forth from the depths of the far Periphery and carve deep into the quarreling Successor States. As the Clan juggernaut rolls across the coreward realms of the Inner Sphere, the House Lords scramble to shore up their defenses and devise some way to halt the invaders.

The Clan spear is aimed at the heart of human-occupied space. Do you possess the bold tactics and heroic courage to defeat warriors trained from birth to conquer? Or will you uphold Kerensky’s dream to cast aside the squabbling lords of the Inner Sphere and reignite the flame of the Star League?


Hot on the heels of the wildly successful launch of two new boxed sets, the BattleTech tabletop game comes to Kickstarter for the first time ever to unleash totally remodeled Clan and Inner Sphere ’Mechs on your gaming table. Utilizing the same process that modernized the nine BattleMechs found in those bestselling box sets, each ’Mech has been painstakingly re-imagined, holding to the spirit of their original design while embracing a modern aesthetic. (Click on the images to enlarge.)

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The Clan Invasion box set will add five popular Clan OmniMechs to your arsenal, including the seminal Timber Wolf (Mad Cat). It will also include a bevy of support materials, the rules needed to play Clan technology, all new maps, and more.

Stretch goals will rapidly fill the ranks with more Clan and Inner Sphere ’Mechs boasting all-new looks. The Clan Command Star expansion will include the devastating Dire Wolf (Daishi) and the ever-popular Shadow Cat, while the Clan Attack Star pack will contain the Warhawk (Masakari) and Nova Cat. Meanwhile, the Inner Sphere will take desperate action to try to stave off the invasion. The Inner Sphere Command Lance pack will deploy the beloved Marauder and Archer, while the Warhammer and Phoenix Hawk will hot-drop from the Inner Sphere Battle Lance pack. And there’s more to unlock on both sides!

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Add-ons will include a plethora of exciting new BattleTech merchandise, the latest rulebooks, sourcebooks, boxed sets, and more!

While you wait for the launch of the Clan Invasion Kickstarter on July 17, grab the brand-new and completely free Chaos Campaign: Succession Wars PDF to get a taste of campaign play using the new boxed sets!

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Any able commander can win a single battle, but only true leaders with skill, guts, and vision can win a war. Do you have what it takes to change the course of the Succession Wars and add your name to the annals of history?

Building off of the BattleTech Beginner Box and BattleTech: A Game of Armored Combat, Chaos Campaign: Succession Wars provides rules for selecting a force and embarking on a planetary assault mini-campaign, as well as tools to create campaigns of your own.

The scenarios included with those boxed sets are intended as one-off battles with no impact on the next encounter. This module introduces Chaos Campaign play, which offers consequences between individual missions, a reason to chase down specific objectives while preserving your troops, and ways to improve your force as you progress.

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Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 13 June 2019, 13:35:19
(Well, I guess I know why the site's slow now... :) )

WAHOOOOOOOOO! The reports of the Marauder's demise WERE greatly exaggerated!

Looking forward to the 17th, gentlemen.

Though, what changed the stance on the Kickstarter? I thought the last stance that Catalyst had was a firm "we're not interested in that option".
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: nckestrel on 13 June 2019, 13:45:39
I believe Ray is the only one with decision making powers (or in the decision making process) that's posted about Kickstarter and his comments have always been something like "we'll use kickstarter when it's appropriate". CGL has used kickstarter several times before this, just not for BattleTech before.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: worktroll on 13 June 2019, 13:46:43
The stars are right! (Pune intended)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Xotl on 13 June 2019, 13:46:58
Though, what changed the stance on the Kickstarter? I thought the last stance that Catalyst had was a firm "we're not interested in that option".

It was more a matter of "we're not leaping into it as the magic answer to all problems: any possible kickstarter would require careful research and the right product."  Looks like they got both.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charlie Tango on 13 June 2019, 13:47:17

Though, what changed the stance on the Kickstarter? I thought the last stance that Catalyst had was a firm "we're not interested in that option".

They choose to apply that option where its use is warranted.  They've Kickstartered things before (Sprawl Ops for SR comes to mind).   

But instead of as a blunt instrument to apply to every problem,  they use it as a rapier to apply to certain things that Kickstarter is best able to solve.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 13 June 2019, 13:48:33
I believe Ray is the only one with decision making powers (or in the decision making process) that's posted about Kickstarter and his comments have always been something like "we'll use kickstarter when it's appropriate". CGL has used kickstarter several times before this, just not for BattleTech before.

Not a decision-maker, but I've posted about KS before. I think I've been pretty consistent in saying that management is aware of KS's potential, but that there are significant challenges to conducting one, and that I had no announcement to make at this time about a BT KS.

As I wrote on FB a little while ago, this was the right time and the right project. Not sure what further explanation anyone could offer.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 13 June 2019, 13:48:54
Not a decision-maker, but I've posted about KS before. I think I've been pretty consistent in saying that management is aware of KS's potential, but that there are significant challenges to conducting one, and that I had no announcement to make at this time about a BT KS.

As I wrote on FB a little while ago, this was the right time and the right project. Not sure what further explanation anyone could offer.

Yeah, I haven't used Facebook since 2016 very much, so anything said there is lost on me :)

It was more a matter of "we're not leaping into it as the magic answer to all problems: any possible kickstarter would require careful research and the right product."  Looks like they got both.

I believe Ray is the only one with decision making powers (or in the decision making process) that's posted about Kickstarter and his comments have always been something like "we'll use kickstarter when it's appropriate". CGL has used kickstarter several times before this, just not for BattleTech before.

No worries, guess I just misread the Kickstarter thread and took the wrong impression from it.  :)

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Hammer on 13 June 2019, 13:49:30
Great....just when I convinced my wife my BattleTech addiction was under control. 

I guess the July credit card bill goes missing  :D ;D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 13 June 2019, 13:50:12
“We weren’t interested until we were” or “believe me when I tell you I was lying before”

Good stuff. I’m glad Anthony's work he’s been showing off on patreon is finding a fast outlet to us

Great....just when I convinced my wife my BattleTech addiction was under control. 

Narrator: that was a lie
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Slightlylyons on 13 June 2019, 13:50:45
Can we kickstart some sort of plot advancement?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Frabby on 13 June 2019, 13:53:07
Oh this is gonna be good. Now the fanbase can put their money where their mouths are. ;)

Me, I'm not terribly interested in this particular product but I will probably support CGL on general principle (and get cool stuff for it).
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 13 June 2019, 13:53:45
“We weren’t interested until we were” or “believe me when I tell you I was lying before”

The former, not the latter. I would not knowingly lie on anyone's behalf.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: The Eagle on 13 June 2019, 13:53:51
Guys, guys.  You did it.  You convinced me to sell my 40K armies (not all of them, but enough of them!)

Thank you.  These look fantastic!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: nckestrel on 13 June 2019, 13:55:31
Guys, guys.  You did it.  You convinced me to sell my 40K armies (not all of them, but enough of them!)

Thank you.  These look fantastic!

Yeah, I gotta figure out where to come up with some money. I have no 40k armies :).
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 13 June 2019, 13:57:42
The former, not the latter. I would not knowingly lie on anyone's behalf.

A refreshing change in the PR world

Also thank you for the month heads up. It will significantly improve my pledge.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 13 June 2019, 13:59:15
Any idea on price points?

So are these the lance/star packs IN the box or are they something that rolls out separately?  Just trying to figure out my order for Marauders, Warhammers, Phoenix Hawks, Timber Wolves and Nova Cat?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 13 June 2019, 13:59:34
Oh this is gonna be good. Now the fanbase can put their money where their mouths are. ;)

Me, I'm not terribly interested in this particular product but I will probably support CGL on general principle (and get cool stuff for it).

Oh, I'm gonna support the everlivin' heck out of this. Couldn't care less for the Clans, but any chance to get that sweet Marauder and company...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ArchonDan on 13 June 2019, 14:08:40
Oh, I'm gonna support the everlivin' heck out of this. Couldn't care less for the Clans, but any chance to get that sweet Marauder and company...

Same here, I'm more interested in the Inner Sphere Mechs, but wont turn away the OmniMechs. I'll be throwing money at this as soon as it goes live!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 13 June 2019, 14:13:37
Cool.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 13 June 2019, 14:20:23
Any idea on price points?

My guess is the answer is 'when it goes live'. Otherwise they probably would have included it in the announcement already.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 13 June 2019, 14:24:48
Yeah, I was just hoping 40s, 50s, 60s or 'like GoAC' just so I can start adjusting budget and getting the wife used to the spending idea.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 13 June 2019, 14:25:59
Yeah, I was just hoping 40s, 50s, 60s or 'like GoAC' just so I can start adjusting budget and getting the wife used to the spending idea.

The timeline is usually around a month, so you won't have to make budget decisions or negotiate right this instant.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 13 June 2019, 14:26:35
MARADAMARADAMARADAMARADAMARADAMARADAMARADAMARADA MARADAMARADAMARADAMARADAMARADAMARADAMARADAMARADA

*passes out, wakes up*

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 13 June 2019, 14:27:48
The timeline is usually around a month, so you won't have to make budget decisions or negotiate right this instant.

Lol, for what I am thinking, I am going to start early . . .
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 13 June 2019, 14:29:02
Any idea on price points?

So are these the lance/star packs IN the box or are they something that rolls out separately?  Just trying to figure out my order for Marauders, Warhammers, Phoenix Hawks, Timber Wolves and Nova Cat?

Going by the announcement, the main goal of the kickstarter is the Clan box, and I think the only confirmed mech in there is the Mad Cat. If we reach that level of funding and go farther, then we can unlock stretch goals, such as the lance and star boxes pictured.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dexion on 13 June 2019, 14:30:18
I'm curious,  after the Kickstarter, is the plan for these to be available for stores to order? Because I know that's going to be a question my local game store is going to ask.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 13 June 2019, 14:33:34
That's almost certainly the idea. Kickstarters are exactly what the name implies - a way to get the initial funding, and kickstart the production process. I imagine it's up to the profits from the first production run to fund further runs.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 13 June 2019, 14:33:51
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaas!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 13 June 2019, 14:35:26

So are these the lance/star packs IN the box or are they something that rolls out separately?  Just trying to figure out my order for Marauders, Warhammers, Phoenix Hawks, Timber Wolves and Nova Cat?

The text states the Clan box set is 5 minis plus rules, maps and game aids, and the lance and star packs are stretch goals.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Maingunnery on 13 June 2019, 14:37:33

Will there also be other payment options (such as paypal)?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 13 June 2019, 14:38:35
Any idea on price points?

So are these the lance/star packs IN the box or are they something that rolls out separately?  Just trying to figure out my order for Marauders, Warhammers, Phoenix Hawks, Timber Wolves and Nova Cat?

Price points to be unveiled upon the launch. (I think.) Weighing the value of letting people plan their purchases against not overwhelming them with info ahead of when they can actually spend.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dexion on 13 June 2019, 14:38:41
Setting the Lance packs as Stretch goals is brilliant lol.  Tempt us dirty IS 3025 folks into supporting the cleaners by dangling Marauders and Archers in front of us lol.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 13 June 2019, 14:40:03
Cubby, I think there's something wrong with the Kickstarter.

I just threw my wallet at the screen and nothing happened. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 13 June 2019, 14:40:12
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So are these the lance/star packs IN the box or are they something that rolls out separately?  Just trying to figure out my order for Marauders, Warhammers, Phoenix Hawks, Timber Wolves and Nova Cat?

Lance/star packs are separate products from the Clan Invasion base box. Unlocked separately. Your backer level will allow you to select X number of packs from the Y that have been unlocked; those that have been unlocked will also be purchase-able individually as add-ons.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 13 June 2019, 14:41:33
Will there also be other payment options (such as paypal)?

I assume so? I think payment can be done in a variety of ways, based on the couple of other KS's I've personally backed.

Sorry for the string-posting, all. I'm approaching maximum density.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 13 June 2019, 14:52:33
For those not familiar with Kickstarter and its terms, here's a fictional example:

I am Catalyst, and want to produce a BattleFace box, and decide to Kickstart it. I determine that it will cost me $100,000 to get a full production run made. I set up the website on Kickstarter, and essentially tell folks that enough people pledge money that it totals $100,000, the box will get made. (Note: The money is only charged at the end of the Kickstarter. If not enough money is pledged by the time the Kickstarter ends, no money is charged at all, and the box doesn't get made.)

The Kickstarter goes live, and progresses well, with plenty of pledges.  Since it looks like the interest is there, I start setting up stretch goals. I tell folks that if we reach $150,000 in pledges, the extra money will go towards making the rulebook hardcover instead of paperback. If we reach $200,000, the plain dice will be made of endo steel. If we reach $1,000,000, each box will contain a flute carved from the leg bones of my enemies, and so forth.

Note: the above is an entirely FICTIONAL example.

Right now, the main product is looking to be the Clan Box, of which the Mad Cat is the only confirmed mini out of five. The additional lance and star boxes are stretch goals, that will only happen if the campaign exceeds its goalby a certain amount. It is entirely possible for us to get the Clan box, but no Marauder box.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kargush on 13 June 2019, 15:01:59
Wait, so to get the IS mechs I want, I have to pay for Clan mechs? Indeed, if enough people fail to pony of the money, we won't see the IS mechs (and some of them are damned iconic to boot), perhaps at all?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: JPArbiter on 13 June 2019, 15:05:07
That's almost certainly the idea. Kickstarters are exactly what the name implies - a way to get the initial funding, and kickstart the production process. I imagine it's up to the profits from the first production run to fund further runs.

the BEST kickstarters are the ones where  Product Development is complete and the need for funding centers around manufacture and distribution, especially if you got an initial manufacturing quote. (there is always adjustments to be made, so that does not mean amazon cuts a check to company X and manufacturing immediately starts)

so this is a good fit in theory.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 13 June 2019, 15:06:05
Wait, so to get the IS mechs I want, I have to pay for Clan mechs? Indeed, if enough people fail to pony of the money, we won't see the IS mechs (and some of them are damned iconic to boot), perhaps at all?

Correct. But let's be honest. Given the enthusiasm of this forum's membership alone, I'm not very worried about a lack of Marada.

Note: It is possible to support the Clan Box without actually buying one. You'll see when the actual kickstarter goes live.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kargush on 13 June 2019, 15:07:55
Correct. But let's be honest. Given the enthusiasm of this forum's membership alone, I'm not very worried about a lack of Marada.
We'll see. In any case, it seems a bit too much like holding the icons hostage to me.

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Note: It is possible to support the Clan Box without actually buying one. You'll see when the actual kickstarter goes live.
I would hope so. No experience with kickstarter. Mostly because I refuse to preorder stuff.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 13 June 2019, 15:09:02
Hey folks. I’ll start going through this thread and clarify where warranted. But the announcement is pretty much it for now.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 13 June 2019, 15:09:49
We'll see. In any case, it seems a bit too much like holding the icons hostage to me.

At this point, the alternative is no Kickstarter and no more classic mechs until CGL can generate the necessary revenue from selling other products, which is just as much of a crapshoot as the Kickstarter. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kargush on 13 June 2019, 15:10:17
I’ll start going through this thread and clarify where warranted.
Thank you.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 13 June 2019, 15:13:39
We'll see. In any case, it seems a bit too much like holding the icons hostage to me.

To get anything about the Clans, we have typically had to buy the books covering everything since they are appealing to the whole fanbase- you know like Field Manual Updates, TRO3150 with its IS/Periphery designs, etc . . .

Simply, its been the established practice to put both together to increase appeal in a product.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kargush on 13 June 2019, 15:19:00
To get anything about the Clans, we have typically had to buy the books covering everything since they are appealing to the whole fanbase- you know like Field Manual Updates, TRO3150 with its IS/Periphery designs, etc . . .
When was the last time you had to buy IS mechs to get Clan mechs? Or vice-versa?

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Simply, its been the established practice to put both together to increase appeal in a product.
There is a massive difference between fluff pieces and models. The record sheets are available in Clan-only or IS-only packs, there are the MULs for availability, and BV for your games.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 13 June 2019, 15:19:33
Though, what changed the stance on the Kickstarter? I thought the last stance that Catalyst had was a firm "we're not interested in that option".
what stance? A lot of people take it upon themselves to answer on CGLs behalf. You’d have to ask them. This is a long time coming. Not as a result of some KS thread (which I mostly steered clear of), or looking at the work Anthony has been doing and going “hey, this gives us an idea…” (Logic it out. It’s the other way around.)

Can we kickstart some sort of plot advancement?
That’s funny. Yeah, if that would make any money.

Any idea on price points?

So are these the lance/star packs IN the box or are they something that rolls out separately?  Just trying to figure out my order for Marauders, Warhammers, Phoenix Hawks, Timber Wolves and Nova Cat?
Can’t get into price points right now.
The Kickstarter is for the Clan Invasion Box (which contains a star). Everything else…stretch goal add ons.

I'm curious,  after the Kickstarter, is the plan for these to be available for stores to order? Because I know that's going to be a question my local game store is going to ask.
That’s the plan, and as of this writing there should also be tiers for brick and mortar stores to participate.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 13 June 2019, 15:22:46
When was the last time you had to buy IS mechs to get Clan mechs? Or vice-versa?

Clan players bought into the Alpha Strike Lance Packs hoping to get something like this- on the 'maybe, if it does well' line.  Since the details are not out about how its structured its a bit early to be urinating on the latest effort- especially when every other product like it before cater'd to your preferences b/c that was the 'entry point.'
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 13 June 2019, 15:23:32
what stance? A lot of people take it upon themselves to answer on CGLs behalf. You’d have to ask them. This is a long time coming. Not as a result of some KS thread (which I mostly steered clear of), or looking at the work Anthony has been doing and going “hey, this gives us an idea…” (Logic it out. It’s the other way around.)

Just to echo what Adrian is saying here, I'm Not CGL, but I heard whispers of this at MechCon last year/December 2018, so, I know it was likely discussed months prior to that (maybe even predating GenCon 2018)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kargush on 13 June 2019, 15:24:57
Clan players bought into the Alpha Strike Lance Packs hoping to get something like this- on the 'maybe, if it does well' line.  Since the details are not out about how its structured its a bit early to be urinating on the latest effort- especially when every other product like it before cater'd to your preferences b/c that was the 'entry point.'
They bought them *hoping*. They were not told "this, or (probably) nothing." Come on.

And don't presume to know my preferences. You're barking up the wrong tree as it is.

EDIT: I might have missed it in the thread, but if the KS is off at July 17, how long will it run before they call it, win or lose?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 13 June 2019, 15:26:09
Guys. Take that crap out of here please. Thanks.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 13 June 2019, 15:31:28
EDIT: I might have missed it in the thread, but if the KS is off at July 17, how long will it run before they call it, win or lose?

wasn't in the announcement but KS efforts can run anywhere between one and sixty days. Kickstarter themselves recommend 30 days or less.

https://help.kickstarter.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005128434-What-is-the-maximum-project-duration-
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kargush on 13 June 2019, 15:31:55
wasn't in the announcement but KS efforts can run anywhere between one and sixty days. Kickstarter themselves recommend 30 days or less.

https://help.kickstarter.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005128434-What-is-the-maximum-project-duration-
Cheers.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 13 June 2019, 15:33:36
Guys. Take that crap out of here please. Thanks.

In case it needs additional emphasis...

**MOD NOTICE**

If you want to complain about needing a Clan Invasion Kickstarter in order to get the stuff that you want out of Battletech, take it to another thread.  Additional posts here along those lines will be immediately flagged for moderator review.

If you just want to ask questions about the Clan Invasion Kickstarter to get a better idea of what is going on, please continue in this thread.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 13 June 2019, 15:37:46
Wait, so to get the IS mechs I want, I have to pay for Clan mechs? Indeed, if enough people fail to pony of the money, we won't see the IS mechs (and some of them are damned iconic to boot), perhaps at all?
(I started off needlessly long winded here, thought better to delete all that and cut to the chase) You can participate in this Kickstarter and work towards unlocking the IS Mechs without having to buy a single clan mini. More details once we launch. 

I might have missed it in the thread, but if the KS is off at July 17, how long will it run before they call it, win or lose?
No definitive answer (meaning, I don’t recall or have it immediately in front of me), but most likely 30 days.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Foxx Ital on 13 June 2019, 15:38:54
The months notice is well appreciated, I have all ready  lost my trial of possession for my wallet to you. Well bargained and done catalyst.
 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 13 June 2019, 15:41:13
oh my lord, this is absolutely stunning news. I cannot wait!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 13 June 2019, 15:49:49
While the immediate reaction to this news seems like an awfully great indication of success, for my own information (because I have never Kickstarted anything) what happens in the unfortunate even that it does not get fully funded?  Do backers get their money back? Or does the promised money not get collected UNTIL a project is successfully funded?

I apologize for my complete lack of understanding of the process. If there is a Kickstarter FAQ somewhere where all of this is explained in very simple, small words that even I can understand, just point the way.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 13 June 2019, 15:51:49
While the immediate reaction to this news seems like an awfully great indication of success, for my own information (because I have never Kickstarted anything) what happens in the unfortunate even that it does not get fully funded?  Do backers get their money back? Or does the promised money not get collected UNTIL a project is successfully funded?

I apologize for my complete lack of understanding of the process. If there is a Kickstarter FAQ somewhere where all of this is explained in very simple, small words that even I can understand, just point the way.

You don't pay anything unless it funds. Basically, we don't run anyone's card (so to speak) until the goal is reached.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 13 June 2019, 15:55:04
You don't pay anything unless it funds. Basically, we don't run anyone's card (so to speak) until the goal is reached.

Awesome! Thanks for the clarification, Cubby. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Fear Factory on 13 June 2019, 15:57:12
Our glorious process shall not be denied! The children of kerensky have returned to claim what is rightfully ours.

What a time to be a BattleTech fan. You guys are on point.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dulahan on 13 June 2019, 15:57:36
Any chance of Elementals?  Maybe not plastic, but, say... Cardboard 'hexes' or a card stand sort of thing like the 'extra' mechs in previous box sets have been?  I'd really love to see the former, especially, since that would more readily allow lots of them, but whatever works!

Maybe a stretch goal?   Because while it's definitely a mech on mech thing, Elementals very much made the Clans even more unique and scary!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BloodRose on 13 June 2019, 15:58:03
Welp, time to be poor. Again
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bren on 13 June 2019, 15:58:58
Hell yeah. I'll be in on this hard.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 13 June 2019, 15:59:19
Any chance of Elementals?
<snip>
Maybe a stretch goal?
yes, maybe.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dulahan on 13 June 2019, 16:01:14
yes, maybe.

*jawdrop*

WOOHOO!!!!

Now I'm getting even more seriously excited about this one.  Because that's just awesome!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: nckestrel on 13 June 2019, 16:02:22
Awesome! Thanks for the clarification, Cubby.

You can also change your pledge any time up to the time it closes.  So if a stretch goal adds something you want, you can change your pledge.  Or if you realize getting your car running again might be more important than all those 'mechs, you can lower it.  Once the Kickstarter ends, then they grab whatever was pledged at that point.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 13 June 2019, 16:02:44
Any chance of Elementals?  Maybe not plastic, but, say... Cardboard 'hexes' or a card stand sort of thing like the 'extra' mechs in previous box sets have been?  I'd really love to see the former, especially, since that would more readily allow lots of them, but whatever works!

Maybe a stretch goal?   Because while it's definitely a mech on mech thing, Elementals very much made the Clans even more unique and scary!

I was wondering if they were 'and stuff' for the original box announcement.  While I like their inclusion for the 'Clan' feel, its not as big a deal directly for me . . . I use a single Elemental to represent the point and had two IWM boxes of stands (which means x3 Elementals) along with the MWDA types.  I figure if I wanted to, I could field Zeta Galaxy.

But we will have SL weapon descriptions, Clan weapon descriptions and maybe some new fiction . . .
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 13 June 2019, 16:08:09
well looks like i'll be dipping into the savings account a little this summer.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 13 June 2019, 16:13:34
Any chance of Elementals?  Maybe not plastic, but, say... Cardboard 'hexes' or a card stand sort of thing like the 'extra' mechs in previous box sets have been?  I'd really love to see the former, especially, since that would more readily allow lots of them, but whatever works!

Maybe a stretch goal?   Because while it's definitely a mech on mech thing, Elementals very much made the Clans even more unique and scary!

The MOST IMPORTANT question. Anything that results in me having more Elementals is something that needs to succeed.

You can also change your pledge any time up to the time it closes.  So if a stretch goal adds something you want, you can change your pledge.  Or if you realize getting your car running again might be more important than all those 'mechs, you can lower it.  Once the Kickstarter ends, then they grab whatever was pledged at that point.

That's great! Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 13 June 2019, 16:17:55
Interesting and surprising.

Some questions, if they can be answered now:

While prices aren't available yet, i will have to wonder if shipping is included or not, to US or even internationally? Some US-based Kickstarters for board games and other stuff have left shipping costs to backers (eg "$50 tier" would require backing by $50+shipping costs).
No doubt it is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't situation". Backers don't like having to extra pay for shipping, CGL paying for (international) shipping would take large chunk of backing money.

I presume the plan is to produce stuff beyond Kickstarter if the thing is successful? That is, it not one-time chance to get stuff, if it successful?

Uh... i had some other question too but forgot it while typing and having issues with special characters for whatever reason.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: hawkins180 on 13 June 2019, 16:21:43
 :o *deep breath* Don't freak, don't freak, don't overreact...*reads link*


EEEEEEE....*passes out*  xp

My brain: We don't need to spend any more money on hobby stuff
Me: To Hells with you, Marauder
Brain: Wait? as in....
Me: Yup, 75tons of GLORIOUS Inner Sphere Heavy
Brain: We need to sell our 40k stuff
Me: But Sisters are coming out soon
Brain: Screw the Sisters, BATTLETECH FOREVER!

Welp, looks like Games Workshop isn't getting any of my money any time soon, shame.  ;D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: God and Davion on 13 June 2019, 16:54:24
  Being part of CSO, I had the honor of painting a classic Marauder. Painting it was like meeting an old friend that has been away some time. Very easy to paint, especially using airbrush. The classic Stinger is also a great miniature, the pose is better, the details are amazing and also is easy to paint, too. Two winners in the books.

  The classic Archer was featured in the 2018 Gen Con diorama and it was gorgeous. Actually, I had no beef with any of the new classics. It is quite clear that everything, from the art to the model, has been done with the care they deserve.

  As you may guess, I am highly interested and happy with the news. The hype is real.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: I am Belch II on 13 June 2019, 16:56:28
I think Im in on this kickstarter. I can see it making its goal quickly.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: wolfspider on 13 June 2019, 17:04:45
I just hope we get to see the remaining Ost brothers and I will be a happy camper!  >:D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: FrozenIceman on 13 June 2019, 17:05:57
1.  If possible please allow a companion direct fund method to support the Kickstarter via the CGL webpage.  This will potentially allow us to directly contribute without having to go through Kickstarter

2.  Hopefully the units in the packs selected will also include 3145 units to support the continued narrative.

3.  Maybe we can get an Elemental and IS Battle Armor box set in the Kickstarter, perhaps 4 bases worth for each in one box?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 13 June 2019, 17:16:04
The months notice is well appreciated, I have all ready  lost my trial of possession for my wallet to you. Well bargained and done catalyst.

Was it a Trial of Possession or a Trial of Absorption?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 13 June 2019, 17:17:25
1.  If possible please allow a companion direct fund method to support the Kickstarter via the CGL webpage.  This will potentially allow us to directly contribute without having to go through Kickstarter

#notspeakingforCGL

Something that should be understood is that earlier Kickstarters have used alternate means of payment, but while they can contribute to stretch goals (since that is a construct of the group raising money and not Kickstarter the firm), they absolutely cannot contribute to the initial funding amount. Kickstarter gets a cut of the effort, if successful. If the company doesn't see the dollars, they will not count those dollars toward funding success.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 13 June 2019, 17:22:18
Actually, I had no beef with any of the new classics. It is quite clear that everything, from the art to the model, has been done with the care they deserve.

  As you may guess, I am highly interested and happy with the news. The hype is real.

They are the absolute best 'mechs I've ever seen. I even prefer them to the Unseen originals.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: jimdigris on 13 June 2019, 17:24:25
All I have to say in this matter is this:
:excited:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Euphonium on 13 June 2019, 17:37:15
I'm really looking forward to this but I have to ask - will you be using the same fulfillment warehouse as is being used for Shadowrun Sprawl Ops?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 13 June 2019, 17:43:50
**MODNOTICE**

Please take the discussion of clan era vs 3145 TO&E elsewhere. I'll be splitting out those posts into a different thread shortly.

Edit: Here's the new thread: https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=65655.0
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 13 June 2019, 17:44:14
Of course, sorry!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 13 June 2019, 17:46:41
Of course, sorry!

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Foxx Ital on 13 June 2019, 17:48:29
Was it a Trial of Possession or a Trial of Absorption?

 In the words of Zoidberg, why not both? I all ready excitedly showed the girlfriend and informed her of my wallets impending demise. She was excited to see the direwolf.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Fat Guy on 13 June 2019, 17:57:45
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Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: worktroll on 13 June 2019, 18:14:00
In the words of Zoidberg, why not both? I all ready excitedly showed the girlfriend and informed her of my wallets impending demise. She was excited to see the direwolf.

So she has you by Temptations and by War then? :D

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 13 June 2019, 18:37:13
The Clan Invasion box set will add five popular Clan OmniMechs to your arsenal, including the seminal Timber Wolf (Mad Cat).  The Clan Command Star expansion will include the devastating Dire Wolf (Daishi) and the ever-popular Shadow Cat, while the Clan Attack Star pack will contain the Warhawk (Masakari) and Nova Cat.

We can see the other three Omnis in the Command Star picture, but what will the other three in the Attack Star be?  And, what about the other four in the base box set besides the Mad Cat?  Really hoping to see a Hellbringer in the pile, to go along with all the other goodness.

Also CRUSADER WHEN
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 13 June 2019, 18:46:08
3 tips for Kickstarter newbs.

#1) Pledge a $1.  Afraid you might not have the funds in your account the day the kickstarter ends?  Just put in a dollar.  Once the backer kit goes live, you'll be able to up your pledge.  Are you only interested in a stretch goal and don't know if it'll make it?  Just pledge a dollar.  You'll get the backer updates and once the goal you want is available you can always up your pledge.  If it doesn't and your forget to cancel your pledge, you're only out a dollar.

#2) Kickstarter is NOT a preorder.  There is always a risk with kickstarters  You're not preordering, you're investing in a new product.  If successful, you're investment is paid back with product.  If the price of plastic suddenly quadruples driving Randell into a mad rage causing him to delete all the only copies of the 3D files for the minis and PDFs for the new books, then you're just out of luck.  Related to this, if a iskickstarter saying they're to deliver August 2020, expect it by August 2021 and just be pleasantly surprised if it's earlier than that.

#3) Don't just bid $1!  Does nothing I brought up in #1 apply to you?  Then make sure your bid is high enough to get everything you want.  The more everyone pledges, the faster we unlock stretch goals which means better deals, more add ons, or both.   Just don't try to get cheeky by pledging a lot to get stretch goals and then lowering your pledge back to what you can actually afford.  Kickstarter recognizes this and will kick you out.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: worktroll on 13 June 2019, 18:47:38
Really hoping to see a Hellbringer in the pile, to go along with all the other goodness.

Will this help?

(https://i.imgur.com/1TI41Hq.jpg)
(From the Jade Falcon megathread)

Summoner without Hellbringer?
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Also CRUSADER WHEN

Yes. This.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 13 June 2019, 18:51:23
Summoner without Hellbringer?
It's a safe assumption, with only so many options for minis.  That's a star in the main box and a star each in the supplementals; assuming no doubles, that's fifteen different designs - but there's sixteen starting Omnis, and someone's getting left out.  The idea of leaving out the Hellbringer IS inconceivable, but not impossible...

god i need a full marauder regiment now.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Luciora on 13 June 2019, 18:52:33

Also CRUSADER WHEN

Scroggins has promised to not only make hearts, but break hearts from my understanding if a thread on Facebook is true.  🤣
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Marc C on 13 June 2019, 18:53:50
I told you so guys! It's Christmas in July! :D

My 3 friends and I will make pledges.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: jrvk777 on 13 June 2019, 19:08:03
Looking forward to support this KS in July!

Perhaps, to help with spreading the word on the campaign - we can do Social Media type "reward" SGs, like how HBS did it... :)

I'm really glad to see this franchise flourish even after 35 years! Go CGL!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 13 June 2019, 19:21:39
We can see the other three Omnis in the Command Star picture, but what will the other three in the Attack Star be?  And, what about the other four in the base box set besides the Mad Cat?  Really hoping to see a Hellbringer in the pile, to go along with all the other goodness.

Also CRUSADER WHEN

Not to be a killjoy, but the answer to a lot of these types of questions is simply going to be, “you’ll see when the campaign launches.”

I realize there’s a great hunger to know more. But I’m just not able or willing to go beyond the information in the announcement at this time.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 13 June 2019, 19:25:28
Perhaps, to help with spreading the word on the campaign - we can do Social Media type "reward" SGs, like how HBS did it... :)

It’s come up. There’s some possibilities there, but in my opinion only, I think doing it right takes a level of social media complexity and awareness we’re not well-positioned for.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 13 June 2019, 19:27:53
3 tips for Kickstarter newbs.

#2)  Related to this, if a iskickstarter saying they're to deliver August 2020, expect it by August 2021 and just be pleasantly surprised if it's earlier than that.


This, definitely. Having been around the Kickstarter rodeo a few times (mostly Castles and Crusades, Rifftrax and the Bring Back MST3K KS), going into a KS is not for the faint of patience.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 13 June 2019, 19:54:45
Thirded. Seriously folks, the product is going to be delayed from the initial time estimates, it's just a kickstarter fact of life. I'm not saying this to denigrate the skills or will of Cubby and everyone else at Catalyst, it's just realistic. Kickstarters get delayed. Battletech products get delayed. Keep that in mind when you pledge, and pass the time talking with other pledgers about how heavy your box is going to be or which Marauder you're going to paint first. :thumbsup:

So she has you by Temptations and by War then? :D



(http://25.media.tumblr.com/10cf1f566fb4a4085416d545f09bb400/tumblr_mmm0z5eAVG1qlrxk7o2_400.gif)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 13 June 2019, 20:07:48
Well, I checked in last night before bed for some chatter, usual cool spread of comments, but nothing out of the ordinary...and then when I wake up and check in this morning -> WOW!!! What a fantastic announcement!!! This really is an awesome direction to take and I will absolutely be throwing a ton of cash at this Kickstarter :)

Thanks for tackling head-on the fear/anxiety/stress that all IP owners must feel when pulling the trigger on something like this. A range of high quality plastic Mechs, particularly set in the Clan Invasion era, is a dream come true for me. I bought 2 x Beginners Box Sets and 2 x AGoAC Box Sets and I can guarantee I'll be buying a lot more of the Clan Invasion era stuff from this Kickstarter to be painted up as Ghost Bears and Wolves...and I also look forward to expanding on the IS Mechs I already have from the above mentioned box sets.

Thanks also for the free Chaos Campaign Succession Wars PDF, much appreciated :)

I'm really super-excited for this Kickstarter!

It’s come up. There’s some possibilities there, but in my opinion only, I think doing it right takes a level of social media complexity and awareness we’re not well-positioned for.

You can simply design this as a separate stretch goal to be released (It is common among Kickstarter campaigns so I assume Kickstarter has the capability to include this in the back-end during construction of the Kickstarter Campaign page???)...so instead of reaching a certain financial goal, you can have this particular stretch goal released by achieving the sharing of the Kickstarter on certain platforms...example, 500 Facebooks Shares, 500 Twitters Shares and 300 BGG Likes...or something similar...the only problem I have with these types of goals, is that I have a dislike of spam-flooding (even if it is super-cool spam like this) friends Facebook feeds (I'm not on Twitter)...but not everyone feels that way, so they are still good stretch goals to have as they create awareness of the Kickstarter.

Yeah, definitely love to see Elementals in this Kickstarter, they are very much a part of the Clan Invasion. IS Power Armour would also be cool, and although they were not a part of the Clan Invasion itself, it wasn't too far afterwards before they started appearing, so would be cool to include, if possible.

I also love that the main push of the Kickstarer is themed, and has a Star/Lance pack set-up. If at any stage during the Kickstarter it becomes possible to add Mechs as singles, that would also be a very nice way for people to get multiples of their favourite Mechs. I realise this may not be possible due to the manufacturing set-up, specifically if the injections molds are set up to cast several different types of Mechs at once or if the molds are set-up to create several of the same type of Mech at once...if the latter, then this would be a good way to allow people to get multiples of a favourite Mech/Mechs, and it would also probably drag a little more cash into the Kickstarter.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Joewrightgm on 13 June 2019, 20:19:13
So I’ve got $150 staring at Kickstarter right now, how much can I get for that??
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 13 June 2019, 20:22:05
No one knows yet
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 13 June 2019, 20:35:47
We all have to wait until July 17th.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 13 June 2019, 20:41:54
Further to my above post...you guys should also get HBS to send out a backer update/message to all their Kickstarter backers from the HBS Battletech PC Game Kickstarter, notifying those backers of your Kickstarter, no doubt you will get a fair amount of cross-over interest by doing this...

...I'm guessing the Clan Invasion TRO will drop at the same time as this Kickstarter, or perhaps even as an add-on during the Kickstarter???
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: carlisimo on 13 June 2019, 20:44:50
If at any stage during the Kickstarter it becomes possible to add Mechs as singles, that would also be a very nice way for people to get multiples of their favourite Mechs. I realise this may not be possible due to the manufacturing set-up, specifically if the injections molds are set up to cast several different types of Mechs at once or if the molds are set-up to create several of the same type of Mech at once...if the latter, then this would be a good way to allow people to get multiples of a favourite Mech/Mechs, and it would also probably drag a little more cash into the Kickstarter.

I think that would cause issues with IronWind, based on what’s been said here before about the relationship between CGL and IWM.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Reldn on 13 June 2019, 20:51:21
Oh, I am hardcore backing this. Come on July 17th! Fingers crossed that there will a beautifully redesigned Mad Dog in there somewhere.

....and that Marauder! *swoons*
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: cawest on 13 June 2019, 21:00:16
I just hope we get some IS mod with clan tech stuff. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: General308 on 13 June 2019, 21:21:05
One my wallet is not happy about this.

Two I hope you have a option for FLAGS to be able to buy in.  Seems like a good way to make sure stores that want product gets product
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: crusader523 on 13 June 2019, 21:24:30
The Dashi and Marauder are beautiful but it looks to big. How will it fit in to a hex base
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RoundTop on 13 June 2019, 21:40:40
The Dashi and Marauder are beautiful but it looks to big. How will it fit in to a hex base

Size of images may be imprecise. Relative size of mechs will be correct (like box set was).  We had this discussion earlier about the summoner.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 13 June 2019, 21:44:10
the 3D renders that anthony's been sharing on patreon are done with hex bases. they fit similarly to current scale (eg barely  ;D)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: cawest on 13 June 2019, 21:44:22
mad and archers just after a finished putting all of those Robotech minis together.  oh well open up early bird so I can give me you my money.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Mattlov on 13 June 2019, 21:58:09
That Dire Wolf is enormous.  And very pretty.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 13 June 2019, 22:07:07
Any chance of more light clan mechs? or bits for alternate configurations? alternate configurations being in there instead of primes? Elementals/Novas?

And yeah, I'm into this hard. Ice Ferret B, please

Quote
Two I hope you have a option for FLAGS to be able to buy in.  Seems like a good way to make sure stores that want product gets product
seconded. I know a FLGS who is likely to drop battletech if there isn't.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 13 June 2019, 22:14:14
Given the level of excitement over the last two boxsets, I can't imagine that Catalyst won't be releasing this for general sale if they have any say in the matter at all.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: LastChanceCav on 13 June 2019, 22:43:12
Glad to see Catalyst using Kickstarter for this. I like the way kickstarter lets hou weigh the options and price points and pledge the amount that balances what you can afford with what you want. Ill I'll definitely  be checking it out to see wjefe the scales tip.

Cheers,
LCC
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SCC on 13 June 2019, 22:58:19
Given the level of excitement over the last two boxsets, I can't imagine that Catalyst won't be releasing this for general sale if they have any say in the matter at all.
Kickstarter orders exceed planed run size is the only one I can think off
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 13 June 2019, 23:10:19
CGL should also make the Mechs from the Beginners Box Set and the AGoAC Box Set available as an add-ons in this Kickstarter...I've already got 2 x sets of each, but I'd buy another two sets as add-ons in this Kickstarter...I'm sure others would do similar and any new comers to the game by way of the Kickstarter, to get mini's, will have more minis to buy...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wrangler on 13 June 2019, 23:12:11
Looking forward to it. Hopefully i can afford it.  xp
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Finlos on 13 June 2019, 23:42:02
Yep, announcements like this are why that Fry meme exists:

Shut up and take my money!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: mmmpi on 14 June 2019, 00:20:22
What's the 5th mech in the Clan Command Star box?

I recognize the Dire Wolf, Stormcrow, Shadow Cat, and Summoner.  Just not the 5th one.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 14 June 2019, 00:24:29
I think the koshi/mist lynx. Smallish, right number of missiles. although the bigger bore beside the LRMs is throwing me off.

edit - really good mech to include. Nice low BPV, but reasonably effective for said BPV. everything else is over 2K bpv, which is an issue.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Thorvidar on 14 June 2019, 00:27:21
What's the 5th mech in the Clan Command Star box?

I recognize the Dire Wolf, Stormcrow, Shadow Cat, and Summoner.  Just not the 5th one.

Koshi or Myst lynx I believe.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Caedis Animus on 14 June 2019, 01:01:23
although the bigger bore beside the LRMs is throwing me off.
Oh, it is the Koshi. Pretty much all Btech art of the Koshi has two unidentified ports to the middle of the mech on each side.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 14 June 2019, 01:14:12
It's definitely a Koshi.  The shape of the cockpit, torso, arms, and legs all match.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 14 June 2019, 01:22:03
Koshi. Case closed.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Geont on 14 June 2019, 01:46:06
I have a question regarding shipping cost to EU. How much should we, EU backers, expect to pay for our pledges?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 14 June 2019, 02:31:26
For those not familiar with Kickstarter and its terms, here's a fictional example:

I am Catalyst, and want to produce a BattleFace box, and decide to Kickstart it. I determine that it will cost me $100,000 to get a full production run made. I set up the website on Kickstarter, and essentially tell folks that enough people pledge money that it totals $100,000, the box will get made. (Note: The money is only charged at the end of the Kickstarter. If not enough money is pledged by the time the Kickstarter ends, no money is charged at all, and the box doesn't get made.)

The Kickstarter goes live, and progresses well, with plenty of pledges.  Since it looks like the interest is there, I start setting up stretch goals. I tell folks that if we reach $150,000 in pledges, the extra money will go towards making the rulebook hardcover instead of paperback. If we reach $200,000, the plain dice will be made of endo steel. If we reach $1,000,000, each box will contain a flute carved from the leg bones of my enemies, and so forth.

Note: the above is an entirely FICTIONAL example.

Right now, the main product is looking to be the Clan Box, of which the Mad Cat is the only confirmed mini out of five. The additional lance and star boxes are stretch goals, that will only happen if the campaign exceeds its goalby a certain amount. It is entirely possible for us to get the Clan box, but no Marauder box.

3 tips for Kickstarter newbs.

#1) Pledge a $1.  Afraid you might not have the funds in your account the day the kickstarter ends?  Just put in a dollar.  Once the backer kit goes live, you'll be able to up your pledge.  Are you only interested in a stretch goal and don't know if it'll make it?  Just pledge a dollar.  You'll get the backer updates and once the goal you want is available you can always up your pledge.  If it doesn't and your forget to cancel your pledge, you're only out a dollar.

#2) Kickstarter is NOT a preorder.  There is always a risk with kickstarters  You're not preordering, you're investing in a new product.  If successful, you're investment is paid back with product.  If the price of plastic suddenly quadruples driving Randell into a mad rage causing him to delete all the only copies of the 3D files for the minis and PDFs for the new books, then you're just out of luck.  Related to this, if a iskickstarter saying they're to deliver August 2020, expect it by August 2021 and just be pleasantly surprised if it's earlier than that.

#3) Don't just bid $1!  Does nothing I brought up in #1 apply to you?  Then make sure your bid is high enough to get everything you want.  The more everyone pledges, the faster we unlock stretch goals which means better deals, more add ons, or both.   Just don't try to get cheeky by pledging a lot to get stretch goals and then lowering your pledge back to what you can actually afford.  Kickstarter recognizes this and will kick you out.

To follow up on these two, excellent posts:  How does this whole thing work for a customer?

DISCLAIMER: THIS POST IS BASED ON PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF KICKSTARTING PHYSICAL PRODUCTS, I HAVE NO INSIDE INFORMATION, THERE ARE NO CLUES ABOUT WHAT THE CLAN BOX KICKSTARTER WILL DELIVER IN THIS POST

When the Kickstarter goes live, there'll be a page on their site with the blurb, sample photos, and most importantly, a list of pledge levels.  These generally start at $1 and go all the way up to some exorbitant sum. 

The first couple of pledge levels provide either a nominal or minimal reward - being added to a list of thank yous on the website and/or in the rulebook is common, access to digital versions of the rulebook and play aids is another.  But the real meat is in the pledge levels that offer physical rewards. 

The basic physical reward level is usually the baseline product plus any upgrades to it unlocked during the campaign.  Like going from a paperback rulebook to hardback in Weirdo's example.  Or with Shadowrun Sprawl ops, one of the stretch goals was putting a foil effect on the board - every copy of the game has that, nobody had to pay extra. Well-researched Kickstarters will have shipping costs worked out in advance and they'll clearly be listed, as well as a tag to say if the product has a distribution centres outside the US, letting people know in advance if they need to risk paying import fees.  In fact, the high shipping costs meant that I only backed the Eclipse Phase 2nd Edition Kickstarter at a digital level, because it'll be cheaper for me to buy the book locally when it comes out.

Above that, the pledge levels tend to be more stuff - multiple copies of the product, the product + a bunch of add-ons that are either available to begin with or are unlocked as stretch goals, and the top couple tend to have unique benefits - get added to the product as a character, go to dinner with the creators, stuff like that.  Generally those top tier pledge levels have limited numbers.

So, when the kickstarter ends, what happens?  If it doesn't fund, nothing.  We don't get charged any cash, the creators go back to the drawing board.  If it does fund, you'll be charged whatever your pledge level was within a couple of days of the end.  That money is now gone, regardless of what happens to the project.  There will be periodic updates from the creators on how work is progressing, and estimates of release.  As Darkspade says, the estimate release date listed on the Kickstarter is advisory, and is rarely met. The production company is basically promising to make the product that was funded, plus anything they said they'd add as a stretch goal, be that upgrades to the original product or additional products.

Within a week or two of the campaign conclusion, where the kickstarter has sufficiently complex product options, a storefront will be opened, and everyone who pledges will be given access.  Here you will confirm your pledge, shipping details, and if there are options to choose from, you will confirm them here also. Generally there will also be options to purchase additional products at this point - usually this means more of what is being offered in the Kickstarter, but it can sometimes be other items the publisher offers.  This storefront is only open for a limited time, and generally each person can only use it once.  So you need to be hundo p sure that you have everything you want selected before finishing up.  You will then be charged for any change to your pledge, shipping, and anything else you purchased. That money is also now gone, regardless of what happens to the project.

And then, everything going well, we'll all get our Clan box sets, lance and star packs, and anything else that comes out of the campaign in a timely manner.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SCC on 14 June 2019, 03:15:32
As another addition reward levels might not include physical product, in the Dungeon Fantasy Roleplaying Game Kickstarter SJG ran a few years back, the top two reward tiers where for one of two game sessions with Steve Jackson himself at a major con, so CGL could do something like that. Or one of their stretch goals might be increasing the number of games they run a GenCOn and the like.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Phobos101 on 14 June 2019, 05:22:53
I'm pretty keen for this. the miniatures look great, and although I'm usually cautious with preorders or crowdfunding, I make an exception for BT. I'm curious to see more as the date gets closer, timeframes and the rest of the minis are of course of peak interest, however as a "geographically disabled" Battletech tragic, I'm hoping there's going to be some viable options for overseas shipping.

I do have one question: will the success and timing of this have any impact either way on future runs of AGOAC? I have noticed both primary and secondary market are essentially dry at the moment.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: mmmpi on 14 June 2019, 08:35:31
Thanks guys for the Mech ID.  Don't know why I didn't notice myself.  I have and IWM one sitting right next to my computer...  :facepalm:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 14 June 2019, 09:40:45
Please take plastic vs. metal elsewhere.
The minis in this Kickstarter will be plastic, and no amount of spirited debate here will change that, or influence if/when they’re produced in pewter.
Thanks.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 14 June 2019, 09:46:53
https://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/75913-reaper-bones-4-enthusiasm-and-commentary-thread/

If you want to get a feel for how a minis kickstarter can go, here's the discussion thread for the recently-finished Bones 4 Kickstarter by Reaper. It's over 1,000 pages long, but skimming bits here and there should prove educational about how these things can work. Done right, it can be great fun for everyone involved. (It helps that their forum is just a really nice community overall. My hat's off to their mod staff.)

Disclaimer: Catalyst is not Reaper, and the Clan Box is not Bones. I'm sharing this merely as an example of how things *can* go, not a promise of how things *will* go.

Disclaimerer: Before you go in there, know that some of the minis in that are nude. Reaper's usually pretty good about keeping pictures with naughty bits linked off-site, but as we all know, things happen, especially over the course of a thousand pages. You've been forewarned.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: wolfspider on 14 June 2019, 10:27:34
I am so excited for this one, I really believe the success of the "other guys kickstarter" was an attempt by the BT community to get their warhammers archers rifleman longbows etc back. I am really hoping we see that repeated here! Then maybe we can finally see that Davion Combat manual as well as the others ( or some form of it)!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RomulusDC on 14 June 2019, 10:29:53
Having never participated in a kickstarter, my take away is save up, buy my levels, and then just put it out of my mind. At some point in the future something cool will show up in the mail. Maybe.
It’s not too dissimilar from buying armour for re-enactment in my experience.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Thorvidar on 14 June 2019, 10:31:39
Disclaimerer: Before you go in there, know that some of the minis in that are nude. Reaper's usually pretty good about keeping pictures with naughty bits linked off-site, but as we all know, things happen, especially over the course of a thousand pages. You've been forewarned.
At least BT minies I can look at while at work....

Look at those LRM Racks boys! I mean NSFW.... geez CGL Get your stuff together, how dare you objectify that Timberwolf. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Silverline on 14 June 2019, 10:32:00
This Kickstarter could well be the final straw to get me to finally take the plunge into collecting Battletech, even if just for painting some up for display purposes!

Living in regional Australia has meant that I've been unable to get my hands on the new big boxed set for anything approaching a reasonable price thus far, so my question is: will the base Clan Invasion box come with the full core rulebook alongside the clan-tech rules? If not, are there any plans to include it (alongside extra maps and the like) as add-ons?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ykonoclast on 14 June 2019, 10:32:31
Wow, this is exactly what I dared not hope for. To me, a clan invasion boxset was the logical progression to the initial ones and would greatly help make this game more approachable : you begin with the introductory boxset, you can have a lot of fun with the armoured combat one and then bring on the big guns with the clan invasion. A bit like the old BECMI D&D in Ye Goode Olde Days®.
Much better than with "just read total warfare".

Astounding news, thank you catalyst for making this happen. This is so great I can't believe it.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 14 June 2019, 10:34:27
Having never participated in a kickstarter, my take away is save up, buy my levels, and then just put it out of my mind. At some point in the future something cool will show up in the mail. Maybe.
It’s not too dissimilar from buying armour for re-enactment in my experience.

You got it.
(https://i.imgur.com/LT4GuFu.gif)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 14 June 2019, 10:35:49
Having never participated in a kickstarter, my take away is save up, buy my levels, and then just put it out of my mind. At some point in the future something cool will show up in the mail. Maybe.
It’s not too dissimilar from buying armour for re-enactment in my experience.

This is exactly the perfect attitude to have. I like to have stuff shipped to my office, so that some random workday is pleasantly spiced up. :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 14 June 2019, 10:36:59
Having never participated in a kickstarter, my take away is save up, buy my levels, and then just put it out of my mind. At some point in the future something cool will show up in the mail. Maybe.
It’s not too dissimilar from buying armour for re-enactment in my experience.
Yup, this is the mindset I try to keep when participating in Kickstarters. One can’t help but be anxious however.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 14 June 2019, 10:41:15
 No kidding. How does one go about *not* thinking about Marauders?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kargush on 14 June 2019, 10:43:31
No kidding. How does one go about *not* thinking about Marauders?
By thinking about Archers and Valkyries.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 14 June 2019, 10:46:23
Yeah, those will look awesome on the tabletop, backing up all the Marau-dangit!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 14 June 2019, 11:21:40
Please take plastic vs. metal elsewhere.
The minis in this Kickstarter will be plastic, and no amount of spirited debate here will change that, or influence if/when they’re produced in pewter.
Thanks.

FYI: The discussion of metal vs plastic has been moved to its own thread, which can be found here for anyone who wishes to continue:
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=65661.0
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RoundTop on 14 June 2019, 11:27:02
Disclaimer: I am not a member of catalyst, the below is my own views and I have no insider information.

Kickstarters often have risk involved. Some are better than others about managing this. Catalyst has been good about this in the past though.

On a technical side, here is what will likely be happenning:

1) send CAD designs to manufacturing company for conversion to molds.
2) molds made (the expensive part)
3) proofs sent to cgl (physical)
4) print runs ordered with the molds. (This can be delayed due to other orders at the manufacturer, and was a reason that the initial goac print run was delayed)
5) packaging gets printed
6) assembly of packaging and mechs.
7) shipment of produced items via ship to USA (takes about 1-2months, assuming it isn't lost at sea)
8) assembly of orders, shipping out to backers

I expect catalyst has already lined up a manufacturer (same as for the box sets), and knows their pricing.

Just some behind the music details for those of you who want to know.

The good news is that the molds are the expensive part, and why Kickstarter is a good idea. Once they are made, it is much cheaper to do additional runs for retail.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: trboturtle on 14 June 2019, 11:35:06
Now all I have to do is figure out how to win the Powerball between now and July 17th......  >:D

Craig
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Foxx Ital on 14 June 2019, 11:37:11
Now all I have to do is figure out how to win the Powerball between now and July 17th......  >:D

Craig

 Just borrow a friends kid and open up a lemonade stand.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dulahan on 14 June 2019, 11:43:50
Having never participated in a kickstarter, my take away is save up, buy my levels, and then just put it out of my mind. At some point in the future something cool will show up in the mail. Maybe.
It’s not too dissimilar from buying armour for re-enactment in my experience.

Like others said, good attitude to have for it!

And sometimes it works out awesomely too, because I lost my job last year and it was pretty darned sweet to have cool new things I'd kickstarted in the time before that show up at a time when I didn't have much money to spend on hobbies!  Hopefully that isn't the case for anyone who backs this!  But if it is, it means great stuff eventually!  And if it isn't?  Well, it's still pretty awesome to have cool stuff arrive.  ;)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: I am Belch II on 14 June 2019, 11:51:29
I hope the mechs in the Box Set are part of the orig 16 of the Invasion Omnis.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Jester006 on 14 June 2019, 12:18:30
(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/joke-battles/images/f/fc/Chuck-Norris-Thumbs-Up-Meme-17.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160328020239)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 14 June 2019, 12:23:52
Pics of a bunch of the new minis

Seems someone posted Anthony's Patreon Photos - Hope you save them as I've removed them.

Sorry Shimmeringsword/Anthony
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 14 June 2019, 12:30:49
 :drool:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 14 June 2019, 12:34:00
MONEY. ALL. TAKE MINE. NOW.  :drool:

More verbosely and seriously, those are some beautiful scultps, including the Clan 'mechs, which I always thought looked mildly ridiculous in previous art. Instead, even those look like lean mean fighting machines. Seriously, do NOT let Anthony Scroggins go. He's doing for Battletech's visual design what Claremont and Byrne did for the X-Men.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Gigastrike on 14 June 2019, 12:41:17
Pretty sure there's 5 missing from the Clan image.  Warhawk is supposed to be included. 

Also, I can't identify the one in the middle row, far right.  Can someone help me out?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 14 June 2019, 12:43:34
The Grendel . .

Yeah, and we now have just 3 question marks remaining.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 14 June 2019, 12:48:04
Pretty sure there's 5 missing from the Clan image.  Warhawk is supposed to be included. 

Also, I can't identify the one in the middle row, far right.  Can someone help me out?

I've heard off facebook it's supposed to be a Grendel?

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4247/grendel-mongrel-base
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sellsword on 14 June 2019, 12:50:18
I need a full colored TRO with images to match the minis
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Gigastrike on 14 June 2019, 12:54:31
The Grendel . .

Yeah, and we now have just 3 question marks remaining.

Oh, right!  I always forget the Grendel exists.  I always think, "what's that 45 ton Clan mech?  The Shadow Cat?  Yeah, that's probably it."
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: KhanPhelanWard on 14 June 2019, 13:49:59
Can someone send me the deleted pics?  :D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 14 June 2019, 13:51:06
Can someone send me the deleted pics?  :D

Nope :P
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 14 June 2019, 14:15:34
Can someone send me the deleted pics?  :D

**mod notice**

We understand this was likely said in jest, but let's be clear: Distributing images normally kept on Shimmering Sword's Patreon means you're taking money directly away from the guy responsible for designing all these new minis. This will not be tolerated. Do not try to distribute(or obtain) images normally kept behind a paywall on this forum, even jokingly.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: faithless on 14 June 2019, 14:16:30
Can someone send me the deleted pics?  :D

Checkout Shimmering Swords Patreon, it has the answers you seek.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 14 June 2019, 15:32:06
https://bg.battletech.com/news/designers-notes-timber-wolf-mad-cat/

I think i prefer the original's less bulky looks, or MW4's looks. Still, very good.

I hope the OmniMechs end up looking like they interchangeable parts, you know, what makes them Omni.
An issue with Clan OmniMechs made after the original 16 is that they never quite looked like they shared elements with each other or the originals.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Maingunnery on 14 June 2019, 15:40:36

The changes to the upper-arm of the Mad Cat are a lot more practical then the older art/minis.
I am really happy about that.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 14 June 2019, 16:08:02
https://bg.battletech.com/news/designers-notes-timber-wolf-mad-cat/

<bursts through the door, Kramer-style>

Oh, someone already shared this. Good...good...

<bursts back out through the door>
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 14 June 2019, 16:17:00
have they announced an actual list of what will be in the set and lance packs yet?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 14 June 2019, 16:17:54
Legs might be too much, or it could be angle . . . but I think that actually looks a lot like the MW3 art, both in game video and what was printed on the booklets.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1c/MechWarrior_3_Coverart.png)

No, but we had a accidental hint that gave us all but 3 of the Clan mechs.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 14 June 2019, 16:24:12
have they announced an actual list of what will be in the set and lance packs yet?

No, that will apparently be withheld until the Kickstarter goes live next month.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 14 June 2019, 17:47:48
Yup, this is the mindset I try to keep when participating in Kickstarters. One can’t help but be anxious however.
Amongst all the good news with other miniatures kickstarters...let's just remember the words "wave 2" and the monster kerfluffle that happened with that one.  Most kickstarters turn out great, some fail because of various reasons...so temper expectations and hopes.  There's always risk in such things, and not all of it is even the developer's fault - let's also remember the word "leviathans."

That said, here's hoping this kickstarter performs like the MST3K revival did!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 14 June 2019, 18:23:27
Or the Battletech PC game?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 14 June 2019, 18:28:51
I know this will sound weird, but I do hope this doesn't get too big.   I want to see it be very successful, but not to the point that it becomes too much of a beast of Catalyst to handle.  I still remember another mech game that kept on piling on the add ons and stretch goals like money was all they needed to make it happen. 

Fortunately, based on previous posts on the subject, it looks like Catalyst is making sure all its Madcats are in a row for this and I'm certainly looking forward to it.
 :smitten:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 14 June 2019, 18:33:25
Yeah you always wonder how things go after a project gets a pile of physical stretch goals (reminds me of that curse “may you get everything you want”)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Joewrightgm on 14 June 2019, 19:41:12
I kind of swore off kickstarter for a long time, but... I’m ready to be hurt again!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: avon1985 on 14 June 2019, 19:41:33
Very Excited! The Clan mechs are cool but being able to get the Marauder, Archer, Warhammer, etc is even more exciting!!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Joewrightgm on 14 June 2019, 20:23:48
Something I’ve thought about:

I get the feeling this is going to big.  Which is a good thing.  But I’m cautious too: will CGL have all the support in place to manage something of this size, while maintaining the pipeline of existing box sets and other products?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Euphonium on 14 June 2019, 20:38:09
I'm putting money aside for this but I'm not sure if I'll commit until I see how CGL straightens out the problems with the Shadowrun Sprawl Ops fulfillment.
My concern is as much about the impact sorting will have on CGL as anything else, as I trust them to get me my stuff eventually.
(Getting a BattleShop order 5 years after I forgot about it taught me patience ;D )
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: kinwolf on 14 June 2019, 20:38:29
I am totally psyked for this, but please, please, please, have normal shipping option for international backers. 

Your online store has insane shipping costs for no good reasons.  I just checked again, and Map Pack: Grasslands, which can be shipped in an envelope, only has 2 options for shipping, USPS Priority Mail International  at 40$(!) and FedEx International Economy at 160$(!!! Sure glad it's the "economy" option!) 

As a comparison, I just shipped a 1.2kg boardgame in a box to the USA for 26$CAD(less than 20$ US).
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Phobos101 on 14 June 2019, 21:11:22
I am totally psyked for this, but please, please, please, have normal shipping option for international backers. 

Your online store has insane shipping costs for no good reasons.  I just checked again, and Map Pack: Grasslands, which can be shipped in an envelope, only has 2 options for shipping, USPS Priority Mail International  at 40$(!) and FedEx International Economy at 160$(!!! Sure glad it's the "economy" option!) 

As a comparison, I just shipped a 1.2kg boardgame in a box to the USA for 26$CAD(less than 20$ US).

Exactly this. The cost of getting physical product to Australia from the CGL store has already stopped a few people I know from buying in to Battletech.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 14 June 2019, 21:32:48
Thanks for the preview of the Timber Wolf, it looks fantastic and I'm really looking forward to seeing it materialise before me in plastic :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: General308 on 14 June 2019, 21:34:02
I'm putting money aside for this but I'm not sure if I'll commit until I see how CGL straightens out the problems with the Shadowrun Sprawl Ops fulfillment.
My concern is as much about the impact sorting will have on CGL as anything else, as I trust them to get me my stuff eventually.
(Getting a BattleShop order 5 years after I forgot about it taught me patience ;D )

That is kind of the Elephant in the room.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 14 June 2019, 21:35:57
This Kickstarter could well be the final straw to get me to finally take the plunge into collecting Battletech, even if just for painting some up for display purposes!

Living in regional Australia has meant that I've been unable to get my hands on the new big boxed set for anything approaching a reasonable price thus far, so my question is: will the base Clan Invasion box come with the full core rulebook alongside the clan-tech rules? If not, are there any plans to include it (alongside extra maps and the like) as add-ons?

Mighty Ape just had 4 box sets go up on both their main website and ebay store this past week, all are sold now, but I suspect they might have more stock and are drip feeding them into the community, keep an eye on them. Price was excellent too...$81 AUD with the free ebay code and $10 shipping to anywhere in NZ or AU...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 14 June 2019, 21:54:31
Having never participated in a kickstarter, my take away is save up, buy my levels, and then just put it out of my mind. At some point in the future something cool will show up in the mail. Maybe.
It’s not too dissimilar from buying armour for re-enactment in my experience.

They'll state a date on the Kickstarter for expected delivery, I suppose the average for boardgames would be about a year...so maybe July 2020. There's a good chance this will slip by anywhere from 2-4 months on average (sometimes they are delivered on or before time, sometimes they are delayed by more). You'll hear horror stories, everyone likes to tell those and it makes it sound much worse than it is, however I've been involved in over a dozen Kickstarters and they have all been successful and delivered, the longest delay for one of mine was about a year, but a number of them also came in on time or even earlier than expected.

Also, throughout the waiting period, you'll receive updates on the progress of the campaign, so you'll be informed.

If CGL have managed to organise, have manufactured and delivered the Beginner Box set and the AGoAC box set, then I'm absolutely sure they'll easily manage to do the same with the Clan Invasion box set and add-ons...they've got a demonstrated ability to fulfil these kinds of box sets...the only uncertain part is the time period, due to various industry factors (which will often be outside of CGL's sphere if influence). So I wouldn't feel that you *maybe* will get what you pledge for, but rather you *may* have to wait longer than the stated expected delivery date.

On Kickstarter I'm always wary of new companies, or pop-up companies that run a large Kickstarter campaign with masses of stretch goals and add-ons, but with companies like CGL, who have a demonstrated ability to successfully produce and deliver something, and have been around for quite some time consistently producing material...I'm not concerned...expect delays, definitely, but with these guys it is a very safe bet that you will get what you paid for (and likely for cheaper than you would if you waited for it to go to retail).

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 15 June 2019, 02:17:49
Lorcan Nagle's breakdown here was super - https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=65650.msg1511939#msg1511939

I've supported a few kickstarters in the past (one being the Battletech game and the other being thingy...err..Elite Dangerous) and whilst there are horror stories out there about kickstarters going horribly wrong or just going on and on, most of those seem to be active cons offering the moon and stars or stuff that flat out breaks the laws of thermodynamics in one case.

I'm sure we're not going to have that problem here, and I look forwards to supporting this one to the best of my abilities.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Silverline on 15 June 2019, 04:35:13
Mighty Ape just had 4 box sets go up on both their main website and ebay store this past week, all are sold now, but I suspect they might have more stock and are drip feeding them into the community, keep an eye on them. Price was excellent too...$81 AUD with the free ebay code and $10 shipping to anywhere in NZ or AU...

Cheers, I'll keep an eye on them! I know the beginner set is easier to get one's hands on, but lacking the full rulebook makes it a less appealing option over the AGoAC box. I suppose it is a good sign that the new plastics have proven far more popular than expected, but I do hope Catalyst gets a new print run into the wild soon!

I'm sure that jumping into the game with the Clan box might be jumping into the deep end a bit, but I started my interest in the franchise by playing Mechwarrior 2 back in the day and feel the need for that Timberwolf nearly as much as the Marauder and Warhammer! All I need now is to hear that the Mad Dog is getting a plastic sculpt, and I'll be fairly set for all my favorites.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 15 June 2019, 04:56:15
Cheers, I'll keep an eye on them! I know the beginner set is easier to get one's hands on, but lacking the full rulebook makes it a less appealing option over the AGoAC box. I suppose it is a good sign that the new plastics have proven far more popular than expected, but I do hope Catalyst gets a new print run into the wild soon!

I'm sure that jumping into the game with the Clan box might be jumping into the deep end a bit, but I started my interest in the franchise by playing Mechwarrior 2 back in the day and feel the need for that Timberwolf nearly as much as the Marauder and Warhammer! All I need now is to hear that the Mad Dog is getting a plastic sculpt, and I'll be fairly set for all my favorites.

No worries mate, also keep your eye on a store in Perth called Alpha Strike, they stock lots of BT stuff and will be getting the AGoAC box set back in-stock as soon as they can.

You probably already knew, but in case you didn't, you can get the full range of rulebooks on PDF from the CGL Store, Drive Thru RPG and Wargame Vault for quite cheap.

Agreed on the Mad Dog, it would be criminal to leave that beauty out of the plastic Mech line-up!!! :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SCC on 15 June 2019, 06:15:22
Wait, correct me if I'm wrong but there are 16 original Clan Omni's, so if there are 5 in the Command Star and 5 in the Assault Star, I'm guessing the box itself will contain, so which one gets left out?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Phobos101 on 15 June 2019, 07:52:33
Wait, correct me if I'm wrong but there are 16 original Clan Omni's, so if there are 5 in the Command Star and 5 in the Assault Star, I'm guessing the box itself will contain, so which one gets left out?

there will be more than one missing, as the Shadow Cat and Nova Cat aren't part of the original 16. So if we assume we'll see a total of 15 clan Mechs from these three products, at most 13 of the originals will be in.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 15 June 2019, 09:47:23
Sometimes companies use Kickstarter as more of a preordering platform rather than a platform to fully develop a game idea, especially so for established companies.

Could it be that with seemingly the artwork and 3D sculpts already done, and rules already written and probably formatted, that CGL are already a long way into the process of having developed this Clan Invasion Box Set, and that this upcoming Kickstarter is more of a preorder process, rather than a full development process of a game from its infancy...and if so, will we perhaps have a shorter expected delivery date than you would for games being developed from their beginnings?

Yes, I am sitting on my couch at home, late at night, using my two thumbs on a tablet screen to wildly speculate because I'm a little bored...if it wasn't so cold outside, I'd go and prime the two Plastic Wolverines I've just finished rebasing...but it is cold, so I'm speculating instead...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 15 June 2019, 09:49:46
I'm putting money aside for this but I'm not sure if I'll commit until I see how CGL straightens out the problems with the Shadowrun Sprawl Ops fulfillment.
My concern is as much about the impact sorting will have on CGL as anything else, as I trust them to get me my stuff eventually.
(Getting a BattleShop order 5 years after I forgot about it taught me patience ;D )

I'm kinda hoping Catalyst brings in an outside company to help with the kickstarter fulfillment.  We often hear about how Catalyst is a few people wearing many hats and fulfillment has a potential to add more hats than they can handle.  I'd rather the line developer is busy planing future goodies for us than slapping shipping labels on boxes.  :)


Sometimes companies use Kickstarter as more of a preordering platform rather than a platform to fully develop a game idea, especially so for established companies.

Could it be that with seemingly the artwork and 3D sculpts already done, and rules already written and probably formatted, that CGL are already a long way into the process of having developed this Clan Invasion Box Set, and that this upcoming Kickstarter is more of a preorder process, rather than a full development process of a game from its infancy...and if so, will we perhaps have a shorter expected delivery date than you would for games being developed from their beginnings?

Yes, I am sitting on my couch at home, late at night, using my two thumbs on a tablet screen to wildly speculate because I'm a little bored...if it wasn't so cold outside, I'd go and prime the two Plastic Wolverines I've just finished rebasing...but it is cold, so I'm speculating instead...

I think it's more that they've done the proper prep work for a successful kickstarter.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 15 June 2019, 10:09:16
Let's see, the actual KS is for Clan Invasion Box Set with at least Timber Wolf, and 4 others.

Stretch goals include "lance packs":
Clan Command Star: Dire Wolf, Shadow Cat, Mist Lynx, Stormcrow, Summoner
Clan Attack Star: Warhawk, Nova Cat, and 3 others

These add up to at least 6 of the original 16. At least 2 outside of the original 16 are included.

IS Command Lance: Marauder, Archer, Valkyrie, Stinger
IS Battle Lance: Warhammer, Phoenix Hawk, and 2 others

Missing Classics, after adding up the beginner box, AGOAC and the KS lance packs:
Rifleman, Wasp, Crusader.

I'd assume there will be at least third "lance pack" stretch goal for each side, possibly more.
I would expect we'll see all Classics for the Inner Sphere, along with some remodeled ones (personally wishing for Raven, Atlas, Cataphract, and JagerMech).
For the Clans, all original 16 is possible but is it probable? Personally i've huge issue with incomplete sets, and the original 16 form a set.
As for Clan 'Mechs beyond the original 16, which ones are popular? The Shadow Cat and Nova Cat are as far i can determine, probably one reason they've been chosen to the "lance packs".
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 15 June 2019, 10:13:14
"And there's more to unlock on both sides!"

This line coming straight after the explanation of the additional Star and Lance packs that are mentioned as being planned, could very well mean that there are more Star and Lance packs planned...so we may indeed see all of the original invasion Omni Mechs as well as Clan Mechs that came a little later, like we've already seen...we may also see an IS Assault Lance...and perhaps a full Star of Elementals!!!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 15 June 2019, 10:18:51
You may view them as a set, but I am inclined to think they will use Clan mechs that are recongized- which means video games and MWDA IMO.  Which easily explains the Shadow Cat and Nova Cat . . . and why the Mist Lynx (MWDA) is the one light we know of to be included.  As I said in another thread, its hard to imagine the Fire Moth being included b/c its a finesse unit and rather fragile.  The Viper and Ice Ferret already have two near that weight and bring nothing more than we are really going to get with the Mist Lynx & Grendel- sure a bit slower but the electronics and jumping are represented.  The Gargoyle has never been in a video game after MW2 and was not in MWDA, so as much as I want it I figure its out.  But I would expect the Cougar and Cauldron Born- Cougar b/c its been in nearly everything video game wise (even MechAssault) & MWDA while the Cauldron Born has been in the games.  Then again, the Executioner was in the same boat as the Ice Ferret & Gargoyle but seems to be in so who knows.

A full star of Elementals would be a bad idea IMO- MAYBE a Battle Armor Pack, but you are more likely IMO to end up with a Wolf Clan Command Star.  Four Omnis and a BA point- or maybe a Nova of 5 mechs and 5 BA points, but that would set it apart price wise from the rest.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 15 June 2019, 10:31:20
It just occurred to me, this would likely be a great vehicle with which to reveal a redone Kingfisher...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Fat Guy on 15 June 2019, 10:37:32
Except I kind of like the brick that is the Kingfisher the way it is.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 15 June 2019, 10:39:53
Brick is fine...but imagine a brick with joints...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: William J. Pennington on 15 June 2019, 10:51:30
I've been dancing on this for a while. Just been in a reading state. Toying between selling stuff, or going for occasional play.

Lately, been more and more excited, goign from contemplating playing to "how to get a group going". Now, after reading this, I'm sort  of at this state.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Euphonium on 15 June 2019, 11:16:51

I'm putting money aside for this but I'm not sure if I'll commit until I see how CGL straightens out the problems with the Shadowrun Sprawl Ops fulfillment.
My concern is as much about the impact sorting will have on CGL as anything else, as I trust them to get me my stuff eventually.

I'm kinda hoping Catalyst brings in an outside company to help with the kickstarter fulfillment.  We often hear about how Catalyst is a few people wearing many hats and fulfillment has a potential to add more hats than they can handle.  I'd rather the line developer is busy planing future goodies for us than slapping shipping labels on boxes.  :)

They got an outside company in for the Sprawl Ops Kickstarter, that's where the problems are. As of my last update, the fulfillment warehouse had messed (wrong packages, duplicate deliveries) up ~900 orders to the point that they don't have enough games left to fulfill everyone's rewards.

CGL have promised to get it sorted at no cost to backers and I trust them to do so but the delay is frustrating and it must be costing CGL a lot.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 15 June 2019, 11:30:05
Yeah, they have had warehouse problems before, unfortunately that is what happens when you are a small company and have to contract with others.  I hope the folks who got the extra Shadow Run deliveries returned them but knowing people, some will not be sent back.  Euphonium, it sounds like you followed that . . . out of curiosity, did they invite or offer extras for sale to FLGS?

Our local store just started carrying from IWM after their distributor dropped them, so I am wondering if this is something we might need to mention to them.  This would look great on the shelf next to the Beginner and GoAC box . . . Clan Invasion box is so much easier to say than Game of Armored Combat.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Maingunnery on 15 June 2019, 11:51:17
Brick is fine...but imagine a brick with joints...
And lacking a beer-belly.   ;)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Euphonium on 15 June 2019, 12:07:34
Yeah, they have had warehouse problems before, unfortunately that is what happens when you are a small company and have to contract with others.  I hope the folks who got the extra Shadow Run deliveries returned them but knowing people, some will not be sent back.  Euphonium, it sounds like you followed that . . . out of curiosity, did they invite or offer extras for sale to FLGS?

Yes, I backed the Sprawl Ops KS and am following closely since I've got over $150 sunk on it. The rumour mill says that the warehouse broke open the EU container to source the extras that got sent out, so there's a good chance I'm just going to be out of luck.

Based on the discussion on the KS page some those who got duplicates and went to Origin returned the extras to the CGL booth and many others have expressed willingness to mail them back, but there are also a fair number of copies showing up on eBay with asking prices around $200-$250  >:(

I don't recall seeing anything aimed at FLGS, sorry.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 15 June 2019, 12:34:13
What omnimechs would count as invasion era?

The 12 in TRO:3050

Fire Moth (Dasher)
Mist Lynx (Koshi)
Kit Fox (Uller)
Adder (Puma)
Viper (Dragonfly)
Ice Ferret (Fenris)
Nova (Black Hawk)
Stormcrow (Ryoken)
Mad Dog (Vulture)
Hellbringer (Loki)
Summoner (Thor)
Timber Wolf (Mad Cat)
Gargoyle (Man O' War)
Warhawk (Masakari)
Executioner (Gladiator)
Dire Wolf (Daishi)

The three from the Luthien scenario Pack (Later TRO:3058)

Arctic Cheetah (Hankyu)
Huntsman (Nobori-nin)
Ebon Jaguar (Cauldron-Born)

The three from the Black Thorns scenario pack (Later TRO:3058)

Mongrel (Grendel)
Kingfisher
Shadow Cat

And three more from the 3055 and 3058 TROs.

Naga
Battle Cobra
Crossbow



That's 21 total. Assuming the Naga is dropped (Advanced tech, off-board specialist) we need to get four boxes of stars for all of them. Then we can get to work on the second line.  [/jest]  EDIT - looks like we already get the supernova.

But assuming we only get three boxes, what further five would you drop?

Ebon Jaguar. Just never liked it.
Adder. Heat hot that's too expensive in BPV.
Executioner. whatever.
Timber Wolf. Cheesefest.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bren on 15 June 2019, 12:44:16
Fire Falcon, Black Lanner, Night Gyr and Turkina were in service by Tukayyid at the latest.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 15 June 2019, 12:46:50
Missing the WCSB, JFSB and ICSB- except for the Naga, all of which are supposed to be at Tukayyid
Phantom, Pouncer, Linebacker, Fire Falcon, Black Lanner, Night Gyr, Turkina- only one I can think off of the top of my head for ICSB is Kodiak, but that is not a Omni

And more from 3055 & 3058 . . . but if you look at the era website, you also have to include 3060.  And we are told that TRO Clan Invasion will include some from 3067 as well since their IC build date will be before the invasion.

So . . .

Cougar
Battle Cobra (Tuk)
Grendel (Tuk)
Stooping Hawk (could be Tuk)
Crossbow (Tuk)
Nova Cat (already in we are told)
Blood Asp

'67 mostly has secondline designs that might appear in CI

Lol . . . your four?  Drops a iconic design we are already told in, the Adder is only hot as a Prime and it with the Executioner have been hinted at before.  Your math is also off, we get 16 Omnis in TRO 3050.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 15 June 2019, 12:52:41
*facepalm* Just woke up, math hard before caffeine.

The timber Wolf was a joke, but I dislike it because it always has done more to me than I've been able to do with it.

And I'd certainly include the kingfisher before the supernova
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Ernst Murdoch on 15 June 2019, 13:35:07
Thanks Catalyst  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 15 June 2019, 14:56:54
I'm kinda hoping Catalyst brings in an outside company to help with the kickstarter fulfillment.  We often hear about how Catalyst is a few people wearing many hats and fulfillment has a potential to add more hats than they can handle.  I'd rather the line developer is busy planing future goodies for us than slapping shipping labels on boxes.  :)


They got an outside company in for the Sprawl Ops Kickstarter, that's where the problems are. As of my last update, the fulfillment warehouse had messed (wrong packages, duplicate deliveries) up ~900 orders to the point that they don't have enough games left to fulfill everyone's rewards.

CGL have promised to get it sorted at no cost to backers and I trust them to do so but the delay is frustrating and it must be costing CGL a lot.

Then I amend my previous statement.

I'm kinda hoping Catalyst brings in a competent outside company to help with the kickstarter fulfillment. 

I sure don't want a repeat of the failures you described.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: nckestrel on 15 June 2019, 15:01:25
CGL doesn’t own their own warehouse. There will be an outside company involved in that. Just as with all their products.  You don’t distribute something the size of BattleTech from your house.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Hellraiser on 15 June 2019, 15:16:26
First off, thanks CGL this is awesome!   :thumbsup:


I'll probably donate some money to this project purely as a fan to help out since, on the downside, I'm not sure I "need" start a 2nd star of Timberwolves.  ;)

Here's hoping the rest of the star is something I only own 0-1 of, lol.

That Command Star looks nice,  while I also have about a star each of D-Wolves & Summoners, the other 3 are much more rare in my collection with 2-5 total combined of all 3 chassis.
I 'think' I own at least 1 of the Storm Crow & Mist Lynx, but no more than 2 & I 'think' I might have 1 Shadow Cat but that's it. 
I really need to finish that inventory at some point, doh.


The Command LANCE also looks nice,  only own 2 of the Unseen Marauder & 1 Valkyrie in my collection so another won't hurt. 
Archer & Stinger are more plentiful at a lance+ each but that Archer Sculpt is worth owning just for the pure awesomeness of it!


Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2019, 15:16:56
CGL doesn’t own their own warehouse. There will be an outside company involved in that. Just as with all their products.  You don’t distribute something the size of BattleTech from your house.

In that case I can’t wait for a shipping confirmation three days after delivery ;D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 15 June 2019, 16:12:05

I 'think' I own at least 1 of the Storm Crow & Mist Lynx, but no more than 2 & I 'think' I might have 1 Shadow Cat but that's it. 


How do you have so few Ryoken? They're among the most brutal mechs in the invasion era.

That's one I'm looking forward to. I've got one kitted up in b, and a prime will be nice. hopefully they'll be able to be got as singles, as I'd want more than one, but not more daishi (2) or thor (3)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Deadborder on 15 June 2019, 18:44:15
Brick is fine...but imagine a brick with joints...

And that could actually exist in three dimensions to boot
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: JPArbiter on 15 June 2019, 19:13:28
there will be more than one missing, as the Shadow Cat and Nova Cat aren't part of the original 16. So if we assume we'll see a total of 15 clan Mechs from these three products, at most 13 of the originals will be in.

The Dasher traditionally gets shafted, as it is a one trick pony usually only loved by a single clan in canon (Ghost bears) and very few players IRL. The Fenris, Dragonfly, and Phantom also do the same job better so there is that

Scroggins patreon had a binary lineup that also included the Grendel, so that is one more that could be replacing an original 16.

As much as i would like to see it, i dohbt we will see the cougar replace the adder, mostly cause the adder redesign is also on the Patreon
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 15 June 2019, 19:21:31
I hope the Adder stays. It's one of the scariest mechs in the Invasion, a light mech that punches like a heavy while still keeping decent speed and (for a light) armor.

We're a bit spoiled these days, but during the initial Invasion, a light that outgunned(and often outran) even upgraded mediums(and some heavies) was probably almost as scary as the Timber Wolf.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 15 June 2019, 19:49:59
Yeah, I prefer to run with the B and D configs, so 10+ points out beyond what most are going to be able to hit back at . . . but if you take the A?  You can toss as much LRMs as the Archer at much better speed.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 15 June 2019, 19:58:36
I wonder if we'll be getting what's effectively the Vulture II.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 15 June 2019, 20:06:28
I wonder if we'll be getting what's effectively the Vulture II.
Buy Vulture III from IWM and use it as Vulture II... I mean, it does look more or less exactly like the MW4 Vulture, ie the Mk2. (Actually planning to do that, someday.)

Figure that if we get the Vulture redone for KS, it will be update to Mk1 looks.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Foxx Ital on 15 June 2019, 20:11:24
The Dasher traditionally gets shafted, as it is a one trick pony usually only loved by a single clan in canon (Ghost bears) and very few players IRL. The Fenris, Dragonfly, and Phantom also do the same job better so there is that

Scroggins patreon had a binary lineup that also included the Grendel, so that is one more that could be replacing an original 16.

As much as i would like to see it, i dohbt we will see the cougar replace the adder, mostly cause the adder redesign is also on the Patreon

 Mechwarrior use phantoms, bloodnamed use firemoth's  8)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: cypher226 on 15 June 2019, 20:56:13
Discussed it with the missus and we'll be going n hard on this. Helps its three days after my birthday as well 😁
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bren on 15 June 2019, 21:52:24
Let's see, the actual KS is for Clan Invasion Box Set with at least Timber Wolf, and 4 others.

Stretch goals include "lance packs":
Clan Command Star: Dire Wolf, Shadow Cat, Mist Lynx, Stormcrow, Summoner
Clan Attack Star: Warhawk, Nova Cat, and 3 others

These add up to at least 6 of the original 16. At least 2 outside of the original 16 are included.

IS Command Lance: Marauder, Archer, Valkyrie, Stinger
IS Battle Lance: Warhammer, Phoenix Hawk, and 2 others

Missing Classics, after adding up the beginner box, AGOAC and the KS lance packs:
Rifleman, Wasp, Crusader.

I'd assume there will be at least third "lance pack" stretch goal for each side, possibly more.
I would expect we'll see all Classics for the Inner Sphere, along with some remodeled ones (personally wishing for Raven, Atlas, Cataphract, and JagerMech).
For the Clans, all original 16 is possible but is it probable? Personally i've huge issue with incomplete sets, and the original 16 form a set.
As for Clan 'Mechs beyond the original 16, which ones are popular? The Shadow Cat and Nova Cat are as far i can determine, probably one reason they've been chosen to the "lance packs".

Orion is a distinct possibility too ...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0CgpojXgAEiGY0.jpg)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 15 June 2019, 22:21:20
Buy Vulture III from IWM and use it as Vulture II... I mean, it does look more or less exactly like the MW4 Vulture, ie the Mk2. (Actually planning to do that, someday.)

Figure that if we get the Vulture redone for KS, it will be update to Mk1 looks.

I was just thinking that a revised look for the Vulture might make it look more like the MW4 version.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: beachhead1985 on 15 June 2019, 22:31:26
I'll miss all the original non-unseen art as it progresses into disuse.

Sure excited to have a proper Marauder back though.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 16 June 2019, 02:58:11
Orion is a distinct possibility too ...
It's already been said once not to post Patreon stuff in here, come on guys.  That said, sweet Alexander's thunder jubblies that's a gorgeous piece of art.
Brick is fine...but imagine a brick with joints...
So an Eisensturm LAM?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 16 June 2019, 03:20:32
It's already been said once not to post Patreon stuff in here, come on guys.

That image has already been shared publicly on the 23rd Feb to Facebook on the Battletech Facebook page.

There was however another image shared yesterday on AS's Patreon account, of an IS Mech re-sculpt that looks superb...it hasn't been mentioned previously but I assume it will be making it into the Kickstarter...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 16 June 2019, 03:21:46
Then I stand corrected, however my commentary on the quality of the thing remains.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cergorach on 16 June 2019, 06:05:30
I just have to ask: Did someone at CGL finally fall on his/her head? A KS BT KS... Finally... Just hope that it's a good KS and not one of those "Buy our products here at (close to) full price, pay now and maybe get it in a a year (or five).".

Edit: Let me fix that!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 16 June 2019, 06:21:14
I just have to ask: Did someone at CGL finally fall on his/her head? A KS

This is the 4th Kickstarter CGL has run
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charlie Tango on 16 June 2019, 06:31:30
I just have to ask: Did someone at CGL finally fall on his/her head? A KS... Finally... Just hope that it's a good KS and not one of those "Buy our products here at (close to) full price, pay now and maybe get it in a a year (or five).".


They realize that Kickstarters aren't the magic bullet that a lot of people seem to think they are.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cergorach on 16 June 2019, 06:56:08
This is the 4th Kickstarter CGL has run
Yeah, what I meant was a BT KS.

Keep in mind that this product was talked about many years ago, folks 'advised' a KS for such a project also many years ago. So this finally coming out through a KS is for many of us like hell freezing over and angels tap-dancing all over it... ;-)

Next thing CGL will announce that the KS is EU friendly, will not ship from the UK, but from mainland Europe (Brexit) and they've already kept in mind the additional cost of possible Chinese tariffs impacting US import fees...

Currently most BT products in the EU are marked with "Waiting for reprint" or "Unknown when we can order this", that of course isn't new for CGL... But combine that with the KS issues in the Sprawl Ops KS, my Batsense(tm) is tingling. Also keep in mind that the last three (of the four) KS were pretty much run by Lynnvander Studios.

What has my Batsense(tm) tingling is:
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The games are literally sitting in the warehouse, however, the company we're using has made some massive logistical errors in Catalysts' other campaign Shadowrun.  Which has caused some incredible delays while it gets sorted.  The actual issue has cost Catalyst tens of thousands of dollars which needs to be accounted for before the next wave of game ship.

I do have hope, but before I'm backing I'll have to see how the KS is constructed, cost, EU friendly shipping, etc.

In the last couple of years I've been spoiled by CAV KS projects. I currently have so many plastic Mechs/vehicles, that the house is starting to tilt towards where they are stored (whether that is due to weight or that the amount of concentrated plastic Mech awesomeness is starting to create a local black hole I don't dare speculate on ;-). I do like the designs and the increased quality of the recent CGL plastic Mechs, but the prices are a tad high (here) to buy but a token force of those new plastic Mechs. I get the impression that this KS will not change that...


They realize that Kickstarters aren't the magic bullet that a lot of people seem to think they are.

Off course they are not, they are but a tool. They don't fix inadequacies in logistical planning, communication/marketing or financial planning. If those are your weakpoints you don't have any business going to KS...

Not individually, but a complete set of just 10 minis, for $40.
That's already a lot better pricing then I could ever have imagined, please add that to the KS!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cergorach on 16 June 2019, 07:03:26
Oops! Wrong button...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charlie Tango on 16 June 2019, 07:22:21

Off course they are not, they are but a tool. They don't fix inadequacies in logistical planning, communication/marketing or financial planning. If those are your weakpoints you don't have any business going to KS...

They also don't fix things like not having the availability of the resources need to create all the things that go into the Kickstarter product like art, layout, etc.   But when you have those resources available and instead what is needed to make things happen is primarily the capital, that's when Kickstarters make sense.

Plus with some of the elements that have only recently become an option again as to what products can be included as part of the Kickstarter to generate extra interest and investment into it for a (relatively) small additional load on the factors I mentioned above it makes more sense.

People can 'advise" things all they want, but unless it makes good business sense and you can mitigate the risk, it doesn't make sense to use that tool.

This isn't to say that things can't get screwed up by things that are not in the direct control of Catalyst (miniature production getting delayed due to an error at the manufacturer or the warehouse shipping out the wrong thing, frex) . and unfortunately we seem to have several levels of Unluck where it comes to things like that happening.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: I am Belch II on 16 June 2019, 07:38:11
The Dire Wolf looks really good. Seen some photos on that.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cergorach on 16 June 2019, 08:42:12
but unless it makes good business sense
Please don't say such things in reference to CGL, it's awfully dangerous when people spray hot beverages everywhere. :-p

Let me just say that too many people defend poor choices and lack of optimised business processes on things like "didn't make goof business sense" or "It wasn't the right time". That can either be contributed to not the right people on the right spots or management not making the right decisions. I see either or both at many, many small business, that generally relates to IT (that's my thing), but also translates to the rest of the business.

Let me start by saying that I've been a BT fan for over 30 years. And the Fanpro/VGL era has me spending about the least amount of money on those companies. Heck, I spend more on MechWarrior clickytech then on BT/SR products since from Fanpro/CGL. Don't get me wrong, things like the hardcover consolidated rule books are awesome, something like Alpha Strike is interesting and I bought one or more of each boxed set (if at all available). But I've spent ~€1600 on cheap second hand RP minis (not IWM, but actually blue backed RP minis) and another $5000 on CAV KS for plastic Mechs and Vehicles for BT. Only recently I saw something I really liked and is on my 'to buy' list: House Arano: The Aurigan Coalition and now this 'Clan' KS...

Now, I might be viewed as very negative, but that's due to the last 12 years 'experiencing' the CGL business for both BT and SR. Many a can of worms have been opened (which I shall not do so now) and very good ideas have been extremely slow to implement. As mentioned before, this Clan Box idea is a very old idea. The quality of the minis had finally improved significantly with the latest boxed sets (yay!) but price per mini has tripled (ouch!) and is still PVC. But good PVC is better then bad PVC... I've worked at banks and other companies that are very slow to implement change, I'm very patient in that regard, but honestly CGL is trying my patience.

That said, Shimmering Sword is an excellent choice for art director and artist. And while I still love PLOG, his designs require another step to convert to proper minis and that has always been the issue with BT. Traditional 2D art vs. the consistency of 3D art in all mediums (2D art, 3D miniatures, computer games, etc.). That fills me with hope to be honest. But having experienced all the low points of CGL as well, recent news and 5+ years experience as a KS backer (do I need to mention Robotech or the ton of projects I did manage to avoid?), does give my hope an *asterisk*. Great! But... Also a bit late, if CGL jumped on the bandwagon 4 years ago, that $5k for CAV projects might have gone to BT KS projects instead. On the other hand, even the latest CAV KS gave me 60 Mechs (15 different designs) for $100 I don't expect the BT KS to not come even close to that.

I'm personally not that interested in the actual Clan box with the rule/map contents, I've had those rules since they came out 30 years ago. I am interested in minis, LOTS and LOTS of minis. I really hope that CGL sees that many of us are interested in that primarily and if we can buy just the minis (at a reduced price) instead of multiple copies of the Clan box, that would be a win for everyone. Personally I would 1 Clan Box and then (possibly) multiple sets of just the Mechs. Many of us also love deals. 10 Mechs for $40 is great but 4x10 Mechs for $120 would be better ;-) That would probably generate a ton of cash. But on the flip side CGL isn't the owner of the BT property and would need to consider the wishes of the owner (TOPPS) and their partners (IWM).
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 16 June 2019, 09:45:51
Absolutely valid, Cergorach.
Now folks, let’s not turn this into a debate or we’ll have to spin off another thread. Thanks.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 16 June 2019, 09:56:30
I saw these Mech's on Shimmy's Patreon, and they are stunning, and now I know what they are for :) Whilst they are familiar, they are a vast improvement on the older designs artwork.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 17 June 2019, 01:03:55
*glances at the clock* C'mooooooon...advance in time already! Curse me for being in the future compared to the US!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: mmmpi on 17 June 2019, 08:44:07
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BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!

Sadly, we still have 30 days to go.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 17 June 2019, 08:52:48
Damn it...well pointed out and for me being a dumb!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 17 June 2019, 08:55:07
At least we can be thankful that June only has 30 days, rather than 31...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Leftovernoodles on 17 June 2019, 09:10:15
Sadly, we still have 30 days to go.

Balls!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 June 2019, 09:11:00
that means 30 days to save your pennies
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Joewrightgm on 17 June 2019, 09:51:38
That’s probably the hardest part; I’ve got a lot of pennies saved to throw at this, but I’ve also got a lot of demand for my hobby dollar right now.  I’m also looking at the Arano book that I’ve been pining for, but now I’m leery of buying because this and 15mm historicals  are threatening to bleed me dry.

EDIT: YOLO and bought House Arano; hopefully the KS goal will be lowered by $15 or so!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: I am Belch II on 17 June 2019, 10:03:47
If its already been discussed sorry if Im repeating.
If  I gave moneys for this Kickstarter...what do I get?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 June 2019, 10:04:45
If its already been discussed sorry if Im repeating.
If  I gave moneys for this Kickstarter...what do I get?

Full details will be revealed when the Kickstarter launches on July 17.

That's July 17. Not Today.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: I am Belch II on 17 June 2019, 10:07:47
Thanks. I never put money into a kickstarter before. I hear some bad things about them so just a want to get all my ducks in a row before laying down some cash.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 17 June 2019, 10:54:07
Thanks. I never put money into a kickstarter before. I hear some bad things about them so just a want to get all my ducks in a row before laying down some cash.

This is a very good breakdown of how Kickstarters work

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=65650.msg1511939#msg1511939

I too have seen my share of kickstarter horror stories, but I have a feeling this one will be fine, because they are not making something absurd, or trying to break the laws of thermodynamics with their product :D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 17 June 2019, 11:14:28
This is a very good breakdown of how Kickstarters work

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=65650.msg1511939#msg1511939

I too have seen my share of kickstarter horror stories, but I have a feeling this one will be fine, because they are not making something absurd, or trying to break the laws of thermodynamics with their product :D

For what it's worth, I've donated to something like 10-15 Kickstarters. Nearly always by established people or at least those who have shown a strong working prototype whether a game or a physical object. Two failed in fundraising and maybe a couple were weaksauce but they eventually delivered. On no project did I have expectations of having a product delivered on a timeline, *especially* for video games and board games. Production is just too hard and too unpredictable to scope that out.

Those are my expectations:
- It's money I can stand to lose.
- I have zero expectations on the project being delivered on time (they almost never are unless it's super easy like waterproof playing cards being delivered on their third KS).
- I only rarely pay attention to KS updates after awhile unless the fit takes me. I just make a note of the delivery address and that they owe me a product, put it in a OneNote list, and then ignore it.
- When I move, I look up the information in my OneNote list and find out who to contact about changing the delivery address (sometimes it's directly through KS, more often a service like Backerkit or the company directly).
- When it comes, it's usually been a long time so it feels like Christmas.

A note on fulfillment:
I don't know how CGL would run this, but do note that if a KS says they use Backerkit for fulfillment, that means opening an account with them and connecting up your KS email. If you're one of those who doesn't like opening secondary or tertiary accounts, read the campaign and pledge details carefully. And don't complain to the artist or maker about it. This is a commonly accepted practice, KS itself tries to stay out of production for legal and business reasons, and fulfillment is super hard. I've seen artists work themselves into delays, sickness, mental illness, and injury trying to do it themselves. For them these contract services are a life saver.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 17 June 2019, 11:47:27
that means 30 days to save your pennies

What's a penny? Have to save nickels and dimes. But I will.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: sadlerbw on 17 June 2019, 14:33:25
This Kickstarter will rate fairly high on personal 'chances of success' scale, even without having seen the offer yet. Why? Because they meet several of the criteria I've seen in other KS's that have ended well for me:

- They aren't doing anything new. This is work they already do, just using KS so they don't have to float as much cash during production.
- The team is already built or has already worked together. The designers, writers, managers, production companies, etc. are not coming together for the first time.
- They have previous experience pricing the sort of product/service they are Kickstarting. The chances that they have no idea what making widget X costs to make in volume are very low.
- The 'company' isn't a one-man show.

There are a few other criteria I look for that I won't be able to evaluate until it comes out. Those would generally be:
- Are there too many, or too ambitious stretch goals? These have killed the viability of a few things I've backed, cool as they were.
- Are they getting so much response/money that production plans will have to change to deliver to all backers before the sun burns out.
- How far along in development is the product when the KS starts? Using KS to provide capital to fund full-scale production is less risky, and less likely to blow past all deadlines than a product that is nothing more than concept art and design documents.
- Can the organization handle the customer service load from a KS? There is a real danger in KS-land of loosing so much time to customer service, that you can't execute on the core product.

I think the proposed project will tick at least a couple of those boxes as well, so I feel like this should be on the safer end of Kickstarters I've backed. My biggest worries are overdoing it on stretch goals, and getting slammed with customer service demands, but even with those issues, I'd still probably back.

Finally, I agree that you should never expect KS's to meet their initial timelines. I've had some that got close, but I can't recall one I participated in that actually finished the full delivery to backers in the time frame that was originally proposed. It is pretty much expected with crowdfunding. Kickstarter is still very much gambling, and I try to remind myself of that every time I spend money crowdfunding.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 June 2019, 14:55:48
sensible analysis

as long as the miniature manufacturers are lined up and fulfill the order. that's been the real sticking point for the past decade, no? of course, if that's your worry you shouldn't be in the mini business in the first place.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Geont on 17 June 2019, 15:05:17
Based on information from Anthony Scroggins Patreon I can say that they pretty far in development. Basically they have 3D models of Clan mechs and a lot of IS mechs. They even showed us some 3D printed minis from mentioned models. And I am pretty determined to be it my first KS that I help to fund (the timing is also right - I have birthday in July :))
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: I am Belch II on 17 June 2019, 15:10:05
Thanks for the updates.
I know I will donate to this cause...just don't know how much I will open the wallet for.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 June 2019, 15:11:11
what has been shown are prototypes. mass production will take place in china. with delays on the production end occurring prominently at least twice in the last ten years (including the lastest box), i'd caution against assuming it's not going to strike again. it won't sink the project - but as others have said, expect delays to the proposed timeframe.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 June 2019, 15:32:27
If it arrives before Christmas 2020 I will be happy . . . wrap up a box to give the kid, expand his starter company into a reinforced company I guess.

Good points saddlerbw, you put into phrases what I was already thinking.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: carlisimo on 17 June 2019, 16:45:29
Doing this through Kickstarter makes it hard for retailers to get any benefit from the initial sales wave.  That’s not going to help with local visibility, but one thing at a time, I guess. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: sadlerbw on 17 June 2019, 17:06:04
Based on information from Anthony Scroggins Patreon I can say that they pretty far in development. Basically they have 3D models of Clan mechs and a lot of IS mechs. They even showed us some 3D printed minis from mentioned models. And I am pretty determined to be it my first KS that I help to fund (the timing is also right - I have birthday in July :))

I saw the 3D-printed prototypes for some of the classics at Origins...and wanted them badly!

Based on the teaser pictures and what I saw at Origins, there could still be a whole lot of production prep work to do. I don't expect anything will ship before 2020. Don't get me wrong, I'm confident the project will succeed. I just don't see how it gets done and into backer hands before the end of the year. I'm also OK with that timeline, so it wouldn't deter me from backing. If CGL managed to beat that, I would be very surprised, and very impressed.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SteveRestless on 17 June 2019, 18:54:09
I suppose I'll have to wait and see what the pledge structure will look like, but I want to toss this out there for consideration in preparing it.

I plan to support this in hopes that it promotes further use of kickstarter. But the thing is, I don't want inner sphere mechs. at all. I realize that the IS Command Lance is a stretch goal, but I hope there'll be an option to avoid receiving it, maybe get some duplicate clan mechs in it's place.

Otherwise, if there's no way to avoid it, I guess I'll have to find somebody else willing to trade clantech for those figures.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 17 June 2019, 19:07:01
Otherwise, if there's no way to avoid it, I guess I'll have to find somebody else willing to trade clantech for those figures.
Trust me, that won't be hard.  Worst case, be a dirty scalper on ebay :D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 17 June 2019, 19:10:49
I doubt they'll set it up in such a way where you have to buy Inner Sphere mechs in order to buy clan mechs.  It's more likely we'll see something like the box set is $X but if they hit the first stretch goal you'll also get an IS lance with for your $X.  Maybe it's not the clan mechs you wanted, but you're not paying any more than you were before.  Sell them for a dollar and you'll still be making a profit.

Honestly, I'm expecting most of the stretch goals to be add-ons(such as the lance packs) rather than freebies for the core pledge while anything improving the core pledge being just that, improvements. Things like hard board instead of paper maps or maybe just more maps.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 17 June 2019, 19:30:52
agreed, i suspect the stretch goal system will be "unlocks item you can buy" first and won't hit 'gets item free' until very high levels.

sadly i suspect that you won't have the option to buy specific mechs from the sets.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 17 June 2019, 19:55:24
The way the announcement was worded, it sounded as if you'd be unlocking varying amounts of boxes as reward for different pledge levels, but you'd be able to select which boxes you'd be receiving based on the stretch goals that were accomplished.

In other words, you'd be pledging for 1, 2, or 15 boxes, and once the kickstarter was over and the number of stretch goals met was finalized, you'd get to choose which boxes you wanted out of those.

I could be wrong, but that was the way I interpreted it.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Joewrightgm on 17 June 2019, 20:12:22
I feel like the best kickstarters I’ve seen run have maybe a handful of pledge tiers.  For a company of CGL’s size, I would say that would be the way to go, then handle add one in the pledge manager.

OH, and CHARGE SHIPPING AFTER CGL! I’ve seen too many Kickstarters go flat side-ways because shipping was under estimated because they wanted to give people a flat shipping fee.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 June 2019, 20:57:13
A handful of pledge tiers and not crazy stretch goals. We don’t need 1094 layers of options like the bones campaigns straight away
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Joewrightgm on 17 June 2019, 21:06:59
A handful of pledge tiers and not crazy stretch goals. We don’t need 1094 layers of options like the bones campaigns straight away

For example: a song of ice and fire had 1 pledge level.  Everyone got the same exclusives plus stretches, with options to buy additional unlocked add ons.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Takiro on 17 June 2019, 21:28:16
Any details on this bad boy??
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 17 June 2019, 21:29:24
You have all the details everybody else does. In all likelihood there will be no more details until the kickstarter actively goes live.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Takiro on 17 June 2019, 21:31:47
Drats!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 17 June 2019, 21:33:18
This is going to be a long month.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SteveRestless on 17 June 2019, 22:34:50
In other words, you'd be pledging for 1, 2, or 15 boxes, and once the kickstarter was over and the number of stretch goals met was finalized, you'd get to choose which boxes you wanted out of those.

I could be wrong, but that was the way I interpreted it.

Man, I hope this is how it works. That would be sweet.

Trust me, that won't be hard.  Worst case, be a dirty scalper on ebay :D

Far more merchant caste than I want to delve into.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SCC on 17 June 2019, 23:56:00
If its already been discussed sorry if Im repeating.
If  I gave moneys for this Kickstarter...what do I get?
Exactly what you paid for. KickStarters have no proper fixed system for how much you donate, but they do have reward tiers, for this project presumably a copy of the boxed set will be one of them, at MSRP, but you can chose to pay then that because of add-ons.

I doubt they'll set it up in such a way where you have to buy Inner Sphere mechs in order to buy clan mechs.  It's more likely we'll see something like the box set is $X but if they hit the first stretch goal you'll also get an IS lance with for your $X.  Maybe it's not the clan mechs you wanted, but you're not paying any more than you were before.  Sell them for a dollar and you'll still be making a profit.

Honestly, I'm expecting most of the stretch goals to be add-ons(such as the lance packs) rather than freebies for the core pledge while anything improving the core pledge being just that, improvements. Things like hard board instead of paper maps or maybe just more maps.
First HELL NO, it is extremely unlikely that CGL will set it up this way. While stretch goals may expand the base product due to the way things work in BT this is far more likely to be custom dice (With the Clan logo), maybe two pairs instead of one, because I can't see them putting two sets of 'Mechs in the box. Now if an IS Lance Box is a stretch goal that's unlocked it will likely be an add-on for $Y*. Furthermore this is a CLAN Box Set so if anything you'd have to buy a unit of Clan 'Mechs to get IS ones.

* Technically things could be set up so that you could only pay $Y for your IS 'Mechs, but due to the way shipping works this is likely to be unattractive from both ends, so it's possible that spending $X to get the box set is a minimum for any physical goods.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 June 2019, 00:12:47
They have said before, they are not in the mini business- that license is with IWM.  They are able to do box sets b/c that is a different kettle.  You want singletons?  You will have to wait until they are released from IWM.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 18 June 2019, 00:32:19
And it's not like "Choice Of Miniatures Box Set" can't be an option; this lets players get what they want.  Again, wait until next month and we'll see what we see.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: kinwolf on 18 June 2019, 07:28:40
No details on shipping or  friendly shipping options so far. We'll know in 30 days though.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 18 June 2019, 10:02:28
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Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charbok on 18 June 2019, 11:03:46
First off, I'm beyond excited for this.  I've been playing Battletech since 1988, and the models and art they're based on look incredible.  You've got my money.

Secondly, please don't screw this up.  Charge shipping after the campaign ends.  Be communicative and transparent throughout this process.  Kickstarter Campaigns have a lot of moving parts, therefore lots of failure points.  Every add on that isn't the core project is an additional failure point, so consider that stuff carefully.

Best of luck, CGL!  Looking forward to having cool new mechs to paint sometime in 2021! (No pressure!)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 18 June 2019, 19:41:28
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Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 18 June 2019, 19:46:05
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Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RomulusDC on 18 June 2019, 20:04:42
Just tucked $200 under the mattress. I’ll see what else I can add to the stockpiles over the next month. Time to return the empty bottles next
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 June 2019, 21:08:23
I know what I want to do . . . and I am looking for pennies in parking lots to add to the pile.  Found 3 today, if I can keep them from ending up in my old piggy bank I gave the kid . . .

 . . . hm, it is MY piggy bank . . . besides, the toddler will not miss the coins- he already is grabbing my minis que the pew pew & bangbang sounds.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 19 June 2019, 00:43:12
Been a very long time since I posted here.

Anyway, yes, the Kickstarter. I think it's a great idea, just add +1 year to whatever they say the delivery time is as that's how Kickstarters always work.

I'll see how modest I can be with my spending, but if I see a plastic Turkina or Night Gyr show up I may not be able to control myself.  :D

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: kinwolf on 19 June 2019, 06:13:33
Been a very long time since I posted here.

Anyway, yes, the Kickstarter. I think it's a great idea, just add +1 year to whatever they say the delivery time is as that's how Kickstarters always work.


Now, now, let's not make this a rule. In fact, I just received an email for the Ogre kickstarter(Steve Jackson games) that they received everything a week sooner!  And all Kickstarter from Sin Nominee(rpg books) were all delivered right on time. So, they DO exist  :)

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Joewrightgm on 19 June 2019, 08:09:31
I think the key will be how much are we actually funding; not the art/CAD work, based on Anthony Scroggins Patreon (proud patron here, woo!) that is mostly in the can.  If we’re funding the production of molds+distribution, then it may not take that long or it may have a lower funding goal.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 19 June 2019, 09:26:09
i think in this particular case, the bigger bottleneck on art is time rather than money (though the money is important too - it freed up the time in the first place). the early work has allowed cgl to go into the kickstarter with a full set of renders and prototypes rather than posting a few concept sketches and getting people to buy into an idea. i think that's where people get into trouble with KS is that they don't have a complete vision of what they're going to do and have to bang it out once the money has been collected, which leads to a whole host of problems.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Joewrightgm on 19 June 2019, 09:46:03
i think in this particular case, the bigger bottleneck on art is time rather than money (though the money is important too - it freed up the time in the first place). the early work has allowed cgl to go into the kickstarter with a full set of renders and prototypes rather than posting a few concept sketches and getting people to buy into an idea. i think that's where people get into trouble with KS is that they don't have a complete vision of what they're going to do and have to bang it out once the money has been collected, which leads to a whole host of problems.

‘Failure to plan is planning for failure’.  Truth!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 19 June 2019, 10:10:44
Can not agree more. And a lot of the preliminary works were in development I would say months before MechCon last Year (First weekend of December/2018) as I saw them when Shimmering Sword was talking with Brent and I. I had been sworn to secrecy about them, and now that the 'cat's out of the bag' so to speak, all I can think is if this goes well, there are a lot of other nuggets that CGL could do in the future.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charlie Tango on 19 June 2019, 12:19:41
Can not agree more. And a lot of the preliminary works were in development I would say months before MechCon last Year (First weekend of December/2018) as I saw them when Shimmering Sword was talking with Brent and I. I had been sworn to secrecy about them, and now that the 'cat's out of the bag' so to speak, all I can think is if this goes well, there are a lot of other nuggets that CGL could do in the future.

And the renders for the IS stuff have been running around well before that in some cases; they were clearly just waiting for the best vehicle to get them moving forward.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 19 June 2019, 12:37:36
And the renders for the IS stuff have been running around well before that in some cases; they were clearly just waiting for the best vehicle to get them moving forward.

True, so very true. I know I saw the Shadow Cat 3-d Render/image at mechCon, so, yes, these were in work for quite a while. Of course, you I believe have an even bigger inside scoop over me due to you doing a Lot of the 3D printing.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 19 June 2019, 13:01:40
I'm excited for this.  I'll definitely be down for a clan invasion set for my shelves, but mostly interested in the nuseen lance packs!  Hopefully I can get a few of each of those beautiful lance packs.  Strangely excited for the Stinger/Wasp/Phoenix Hawk!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charlie Tango on 19 June 2019, 13:16:05
True, so very true. I know I saw the Shadow Cat 3-d Render/image at mechCon, so, yes, these were in work for quite a while. Of course, you I believe have an even bigger inside scoop over me due to you doing a Lot of the 3D printing.

That's someone else here, not me.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 19 June 2019, 15:12:53
That's someone else here, not me.

Oh, I thought it was you who helped out with the 3D printing for gen Con a few years back...My apologies then!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 19 June 2019, 15:17:13
Oh, I thought it was you who helped out with the 3D printing for gen Con a few years back...My apologies then!

Mostly it's Greatsarcasmo who is the impresario of 3D printing services and artistry.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Shin_Fenris on 19 June 2019, 15:29:48
I've backed numerous KS campaigns over the past five years or so, and I can say without any hesitation that none of them have come close to my level of excitement for this one. The sculpts themselves are beautiful, and will be great to expand some of my Succession Wars/Clan Invasion era units (stuff I'm teaching my kid with) without worrying so much about shattered metal. I (think?) read that new map(s) will be included as well? And if so, assuming they're anywhere near as glorious as the Grasslands pack, I might actually be looking forward to that part the most.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 19 June 2019, 16:18:02
I (think?) read that new map(s) will be included as well? And if so, assuming they're anywhere near as glorious as the Grasslands pack, I might actually be looking forward to that part the most.

The Clan Box is stated to have brand-new maps, rather than a new map pack being part of the Kickstarter.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charlie Tango on 19 June 2019, 17:55:59
Oh, I thought it was you who helped out with the 3D printing for gen Con a few years back...My apologies then!

Mostly it's Greatsarcasmo who is the impresario of 3D printing services and artistry.

Yup,  that. All the credit goes to GS for his amazing work at rendering the 3-d prints.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Joewrightgm on 20 June 2019, 09:10:03
Shimmeringsword posted some new concept art for clans on his patreon.  Not going to share it here, it’s $2 a month, pay the man and soak in the glorious sights!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 20 June 2019, 09:53:23
Yup,  that. All the credit goes to GS for his amazing work at rendering the 3-d prints.

I stand Corrected - Certainly want the credit to go where it is deserved!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Joewrightgm on 21 June 2019, 17:20:36
So what if we get plastic elementals? That would be a neat stretch goal
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 21 June 2019, 19:01:01
Clan 'Mechs ain't worth it without Elementals!
OK, i'm not entirely serious but all my (yet unfulfilled) plans to get Clan minis involve getting Clan battle armor too.

If the Clans get Elementals, i wonder if the IS might get IS Standard as counterpart? While they aren't as integral to IS combat doctrine as Elementals are to the Clans, gameplay-wise having both is nice symmetry.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 21 June 2019, 19:05:58
Every clan Omni pilot needs a little modular armor!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 21 June 2019, 20:28:38
Every clan Omni pilot needs a little modular ablative armor!

fixed that for you  ;D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 22 June 2019, 07:07:13
Plastic Elementals as well as some IS Standard BA, all sculpted to scale, would be fantastic. I guess I'd like to see at least 3 poses for each...but you could do a small amount of reposing with some hot water, at least their arms, and to a lesser degree their legs.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DEZOAT on 22 June 2019, 07:41:39
  Well I finally got the time to post on this Kickstarter. I will be there to put money on this. I have been doing KS since Robotech Tactic Rpg debacle . By the way that KS is the only one I got burn on , I grant you I did get half my stuff but still . The only advice I'll give is do your research and be patience.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 22 June 2019, 07:53:43
fixed that for you  ;D

Quote
Every clan Omni pilot needs a little modular angry ablative armor!

Fixed it again for you :p
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charbok on 26 June 2019, 07:32:30
Hey CGL! Give this a listen before the Kickstarter launches.  Somebody went out of their way to tell me that charging shipping after the fact was a terrible idea and detrimental to getting international backers.  My counter argument is that I'd rather CGL survived a successful campaign.

http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2017/12/game-designer-workshop/game-designer-workshop-episode-16-shipping-the-devil/ (http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2017/12/game-designer-workshop/game-designer-workshop-episode-16-shipping-the-devil/)

This is a great podcast about the horror of shipping.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 26 June 2019, 09:03:36
Hey CGL! Give this a listen before the Kickstarter launches.  Somebody went out of their way to tell me that charging shipping after the fact was a terrible idea and detrimental to getting international backers.  My counter argument is that I'd rather CGL survived a successful campaign.

http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2017/12/game-designer-workshop/game-designer-workshop-episode-16-shipping-the-devil/ (http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2017/12/game-designer-workshop/game-designer-workshop-episode-16-shipping-the-devil/)

This is a great podcast about the horror of shipping.

Aye i'm ordering a HUGE collectors edition statue and its arriving next year, but he's a BIG boy and I dread to think what the import fee will be for it.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 26 June 2019, 09:32:23
Hey CGL! Give this a listen before the Kickstarter launches.  Somebody went out of their way to tell me that charging shipping after the fact was a terrible idea and detrimental to getting international backers.  My counter argument is that I'd rather CGL survived a successful campaign.

http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2017/12/game-designer-workshop/game-designer-workshop-episode-16-shipping-the-devil/ (http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2017/12/game-designer-workshop/game-designer-workshop-episode-16-shipping-the-devil/)

This is a great podcast about the horror of shipping.
Thanks Charbok. Shipping will be charged after the Kickstarter. .
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: sadlerbw on 26 June 2019, 15:05:25
Elementals are one of the things that aren’t actually all that expensive too get from IWM. They are $4.40 for 5 at the moment. I never actually stick five on a single base, so for me 5 elementals is enough for 2 or 3 game pieces.

I can’t say with 100% certainty, but I don’t think pre-based plastic elementals would cost that much less than IWMs. The only real advantage would that they are already based, and I’m not sure that is enough of a difference to matter. Elementals are an interesting part of clan warfare, but I’m not sure they need to be made in plastic.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 26 June 2019, 15:16:50
EDIT Disregard
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 26 June 2019, 18:21:35
Elementals are one of the things that aren’t actually all that expensive too get from IWM. They are $4.40 for 5 at the moment. I never actually stick five on a single base, so for me 5 elementals is enough for 2 or 3 game pieces.

I can’t say with 100% certainty, but I don’t think pre-based plastic elementals would cost that much less than IWMs. The only real advantage would that they are already based, and I’m not sure that is enough of a difference to matter. Elementals are an interesting part of clan warfare, but I’m not sure they need to be made in plastic.

The main advantage of plastic Elementals is that they are plastic, and are far more robust than metal when gaming with them and transporting them...less paint chipping and rubbing off. Plastic are also far easier to work with when modding the miniatures, for instance, adding Elementals to the outside of a Mech to create a cool looking miniature.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 26 June 2019, 18:46:44
Another thought occurred to me just now in regards to this Kickstarter...I wonder if one of the stretch goals could go towards developing CBT Record Sheet software, perhaps to be hosted on the MUL website...that'd be cool! Or perhaps even a separate Kickstarter for it.

I'm happy with the functionality of the record sheets, but it would be nice to see them get a modern aesthetic.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 26 June 2019, 20:06:59
Kickstarter sadly won't solve the problem of Microsoft holding electronic rights to Battletech. 

Unless there's a kickstarter to buy a license.  ;D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 26 June 2019, 20:44:29
Was it an internal app they were asking to be developed a while back?

MML is / has been the officialish enough program for a bit now. It would be nice to have a suite of apps for the people but decisions made at the turn of the century make that a very expensive proposition at best
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Joewrightgm on 26 June 2019, 21:10:20
I wouldn’t mind an app where I could track heat/damage etc.

Tap which weapons you want to fire, enter GATOR info, and bam gives you a too hit, and when hits are taken, you tap the area, then enter the points of damage
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 27 June 2019, 02:13:13
I wouldn’t mind an app where I could track heat/damage etc.

Tap which weapons you want to fire, enter GATOR info, and bam gives you a too hit, and when hits are taken, you tap the area, then enter the points of damage

Such apps exist, you just have to find them.  My wife used them once or twice when playing.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bosefius on 27 June 2019, 21:49:23
Another thought occurred to me just now in regards to this Kickstarter...I wonder if one of the stretch goals could go towards developing CBT Record Sheet software, perhaps to be hosted on the MUL website...that'd be cool! Or perhaps even a separate Kickstarter for it.

I'm happy with the functionality of the record sheets, but it would be nice to see them get a modern aesthetic.

Was it an internal app they were asking to be developed a while back?

MML is / has been the officialish enough program for a bit now. It would be nice to have a suite of apps for the people but decisions made at the turn of the century make that a very expensive proposition at best

No, the intent was for it to be a replacement for Heavy Metal. The solicitation still stands (down in Computer Games). We had one user start a program, made it to pre-Alpha and then he disappeared.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: The_Livewire on 28 June 2019, 11:25:53
Just when I think about the money I'll save not buying Pathfinder 2e, this happens.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Euphonium on 28 June 2019, 14:22:18
I've got money set aside for this but whether or not CGL gets to see it is going to depend on whether or not they get the problems with the Shadowrun Sprawl Ops Kickstarter fulfillment fixed. At this point CGL are going to have to work hard to convince me that I can trust them with more of my money, and that makes me sad because I really *want* this to succeed.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Scotty on 28 June 2019, 14:34:53
CGL had vanishingly little to do with the Sprawl Ops fulfillment debacle.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Euphonium on 28 June 2019, 16:40:47
CGL had vanishingly little to do with the Sprawl Ops fulfillment debacle.

I know it was the warehouse company that created the big screw up and not CGL.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but the common thread in recent Sprawl Ops updates seems to have been "we're waiting for CGL to get back to us."

I suppose this is just another effect of Con season keeping everyone too busy  :-\
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 28 June 2019, 16:55:01
I've got money set aside for this but whether or not CGL gets to see it is going to depend on whether or not they get the problems with the Shadowrun Sprawl Ops Kickstarter fulfillment fixed. At this point CGL are going to have to work hard to convince me that I can trust them with more of my money, and that makes me sad because I really *want* this to succeed.
Completely understandable. They are working on resolving the issue, and absolutely looking into preventing such issues on the upcoming Kickstarter. Believe me, we understand this is a concern.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: cawest on 28 June 2019, 20:07:51
will they release a sneak peak of the Kickstarter  page
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 28 June 2019, 20:29:42
I've only been a part of a few kickstarters. Is that ever done?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 28 June 2019, 20:51:52
I've only been a part of a few kickstarters. Is that ever done?

Seen it a couple times. as near as I can tell, the tool is so people (Like cubby) can vet the proposed page, but sometimes the devs share it more widely.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 04 July 2019, 12:23:33
Maybe I've missed it, but what are the chances of the Box Set here containing a Quick Start for Alpha Strike? Still think that should have been in AGoAC but the CIBS would be better than nothing.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 04 July 2019, 12:29:28
Noting mentioned to my knowledge. Did ASCE get a shoutout in the boxes alongside other product ads?  I don’t remember
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 04 July 2019, 13:04:49
I don't remember seeing anything about Alpha Strike.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Scotty on 04 July 2019, 13:08:55
I don't remember seeing anything about Alpha Strike.

Besides the full color Alpha Strike cards, right?  ;)

ASCE was fully a year from release when the new box sets arrived at origins last year, and they were content compete before that.  I'm not surprised it wasn't mentioned.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 04 July 2019, 13:39:47
Besides the full color Alpha Strike cards, right?  ;)

I knew I had a vague recollection of something AS related
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Finlos on 04 July 2019, 14:03:41
Is it July 17th yet?

I want to throw money at your kickstarter!

How about now??
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 04 July 2019, 15:16:07
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Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: cawest on 04 July 2019, 15:17:37
Is it July 17th yet?

I want to throw money at your kickstarter!

How about now??

 :D :D :D :D  I am so with you on this
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DEZOAT on 05 July 2019, 05:16:29
 :D 12 DAYS to go until it starts. The count down has begun.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Tangoforone on 05 July 2019, 13:54:46
I imagine for many people on this forum the countdown started when the news dropped :)  I am excited though; I am very interested to see what Catalyst does for the different tiers and what their goals will be for the full rewards.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SteelRaven on 05 July 2019, 14:04:00
I'm trying to get my finances in order so I can afford both the GoAC box my FLGS is still waiting for (the local distributor is a dead head) and support the Kickstarter after taking a hit in my personal life. I have allot of stuff I need to priorities first but I should be able to support one way or another as long as the pledge goals are reasonable :) 

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 05 July 2019, 14:09:56
I imagine for many people on this forum the countdown started when the news dropped :)  I am excited though; I am very interested to see what Catalyst does for the different tiers and what their goals will be for the full rewards.

countdowns don't start for me until 10 because i only have that many fingers

i'm sure the KS will have a wide variety of tiers and stretch goals as well as some in reserve in the event things absolutely blow up
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 05 July 2019, 14:16:50
countdowns don't start for me until 10 because i only have that many fingers

i'm sure the KS will have a wide variety of tiers and stretch goals as well as some in reserve in the event things absolutely blow up

I would also hope such tiers are realistic in scope and ambition...we don't need another RRT
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 06 July 2019, 02:16:53
So pumped for this Kickstarter...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 06 July 2019, 16:26:01
Nevermind, it's not constructive. I am very hyped for this Kickstarter and will back the living jesus out of it. The only thing I'll say is that I hope that CGL learns a whole lot from the disaster that is the Sprawl Ops Boardgame fulfillment with hundreds of EU backers left in the cold without any of the rewards that they paid and backed for.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lord Cameron on 06 July 2019, 16:54:32
Will there also be other payment options

Were you thinking arm & leg or perhaps firstborn?

 ^-^

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 06 July 2019, 17:37:47
For anyone leery of backing a kickstarter, don't feel that you'll have to back this one to get the new goodies.  Unless I misunderstood, the point of this is to bring a new product to market.  You'll have to wait a little longer, but you'll have your chance to get it.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 06 July 2019, 17:45:06
For anyone leery of backing a kickstarter, don't feel that you'll have to back this one to get the new goodies.  Unless I misunderstood, the point of this is to bring a new product to market.  You'll have to wait a little longer, but you'll have your chance to get it.
Yup.
I'd imagine the idea is that the kickstarter products are priced like the box set, that is profitable, it is just a matter of gauging interest and initiating the production.
One time projects as kickstarters seem inefficient.

Personally i'll have to pass this one, bad timing (unless this is gonna be really cheap, which i doubt) but probably can buy stuff once they're on stores. Plus i've yet to get the new box sets anyhow.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Scotty on 06 July 2019, 17:46:55
Yup.
I'd imagine the idea is that the kickstarter products are priced like the box set, that is profitable, it is just a matter of gauging interest and initiating the production.
One time projects as kickstarters seem inefficient.

Personally i'll have to pass this one, bad timing (unless this is gonna be really cheap, which i doubt) but probably can buy stuff once they're on stores. Plus i've yet to get the new box sets anyhow.

Pledge for a buck, put yourself on CGL's email updates newsletter (the real lasting benefit of a Kickstarter, if you ask me).
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 06 July 2019, 21:58:37
Bingo. And while I have no idea if CGL will do this, but in some kickstarters, the pledge manager will stay open for quite some time after the kickstarter ends and you can keep adding during that time. So if you can't get in for more then a dollar or two, but you think you might be able to add more in the next few months, it might still be worth your time.

Again, before anyone starts building any actual expectations, I'll say it again: I have no idea if CGL will do it this way.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SCC on 07 July 2019, 00:16:09
For anyone leery of backing a kickstarter, don't feel that you'll have to back this one to get the new goodies.  Unless I misunderstood, the point of this is to bring a new product to market.  You'll have to wait a little longer, but you'll have your chance to get it.
You might also get the boxset for cheaper if you back, the DFRPG KickStarter SJ Games did a few years back had the physical product at $50, yet the price to buy it now is $75
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 08 July 2019, 00:40:03
1/3 to 1/6 discount seems typical of what I've seen. We take the risk of funding their R&D, they cut us a break on the price of the final product. That seems to be the unspoken contract.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Chrome on 08 July 2019, 14:31:35
Given how Catalyst's current KS for Shadowrun (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/shadowrun-sprawl-ops-boardgame) is going, I advise everyone to be vary wary of backing this. This has been the shadiest KS I've ever backed, and I say that having backed Myth and MERCS Recon. The entire thing has been horribly managed on Catalyst's end of things - ineptly might be a better word. What is of the most concern to backers right now is a series of errors between Catalyst and their warehouse that caused hundreds of backers to get duplicate copies of the game, leaving Catalyst unable to fulfill ~900 EU pledges, but IMHO that's just the tip of the iceberg.

The SR KS consisted of a core game box for $50 and two expansions for $25 apiece. You could then Add-On 2 alternate boards for $10 apiece and an extra set of dice (its a dice-rolling game) for $25. I pledged $120 to get the game, both expansions, and both alt boards.

During production it was nonchalantly mentioned in a KS Update video (not the text of the Update that everyone reads) that Catalyst was going to give us a "Legendary box" which was a custom larger box that could hold everything - the core game, the expansions, the alternate boards, and all of the Stretch Goals (which included a 3rd alternate board) - because it all couldn't fit in the retail box. This sounded great. I mean a big cool box for free? Who doesn't like that?

What really happened was that instead of shipping all of the components to the US individually and having each backer's order collated at their US warehouse, Catalyst had the orders collated in China. And somewhere during that process, I'm guessing due to minimum print runs and the cost of collating each individual order, they realized that it was just cheaper to just give everything to everyone, whether they paid for it or not. So they made a box big enough to fit all 4 boards and the insert from the retail box and dropped them in along with the components from the Co-op Expansion which was a KS-exclusive (and thus had no box of its own). The other expansion did get its own box b/c it will be available at retail.

In case you didn't catch it, the "Legendary" box replaced the retail box for backers. And the kicker is that it's still not big enough to hold everything from the KS. I have to keep 5-6 Player expansion cards in their retail box and I haven't sleeved any of my cards.

So in the end, people who only backed $50 for the base game, or $75 for the game + 1 expansion, got everything that I paid $120 for. Now this isn't the first time that I've seen something like this happen, but it's the first time I've seen it happen with up to $70 worth of product. And it is the first time that I've ever seen a KS be so duplicitous about it.

And the backers who forked out money for extra dice haven't gotten any because for some reason Catalyst hasn't had them made yet and hasn't said why not.

And here's another kicker for all of you who are thinking that backing the KS will save you money over buying at retail - we paid more. The core game is retailing for exactly what we paid for it ($50) but they set the MSRP of the 5-6 Player expansion at $5 less than what they charged backers for it. And we had to pay an extra $26 for shipping.

There were several other questionable things too, but these were the main ones for me. They're already talking about KSing another Shadowrun board game, but there's no way in hell I'll be backing it. If you want to learn more, I'd suggest following the link at the top of my post and checking the comments and updates.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Chrome on 08 July 2019, 15:29:46
One last quick thing - one thing that in retrospect was perhaps the shadiest thing going on, was who was running the KickStarter. If the BT campaign is run by some 3rd party who says that they're there to ensure none of Catalyst's past KS-problems happen again, don't believe them. This is exactly what was said at the beginning of the Sprawl Ops campaign and all that 3rd party (Lynnvander Games) did was run the KS page and then act as PR for Catalyst. They had no direct contact with manufacturing, the shipping boat, or the distributors in/outside of the US. They did a great job of posting KS Updates every Monday, but as things got worse and worse many of them included obvious CYA's like "I was told..." and "I haven't heard back from Catalyst yet..."

Worse was when you could tell that they had no real info from Catalyst but had to try and act like they knew what was going on. Like during the 6+ weeks between when the games arrived at the US distribution center (Apr 5th) and when people finally started receiving their pledges (~May 22). 7 Updates all with some flavor of "shipping is 'in progress'", with it all very obvious that the poor guy posting the updates had no real idea what was going on. Ditto for them saying in May that "EU, CA and AU are off to their locations for unpacking and outbound shipping" then back-tracking a week later b/c it hadn't actually happened and possibly still hasn't happened as of the latest update*. Or saying that 100 orders were sent to the wrong addresses b/c the distributor used the wrong spreadsheet, then later on saying (almost accidentally it seemed) that it was Catalyst's fault.

*On Monday the Update said that Canadian pledges had been shipped to their distribution centers, but the next sentence said "I haven't received notification yet...." so that's not confirmed. The rest of world's pledges are still sitting in Atlanta, where they've been for 3 months now.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Chrome on 08 July 2019, 15:31:48
Arg... guess you can't edit your own posts?

Just to clarify, I think that Lynnvander has been great thru this whole thing. But they put themselves between a rock and a hard place by running this KS.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: GreyWolfActual on 08 July 2019, 15:34:19
Arg... guess you can't edit your own posts?
You certainly can. See the attached screenshot.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: GreyWolfActual on 08 July 2019, 15:38:42
What really happened...I'm guessing
You cannot legitimately start a paragraph claiming supreme knowledge and then, in the next sentence, follow it up with wild guesses. Thank you for playing.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Chrome on 08 July 2019, 15:41:03
You certainly can. See the attached screenshot.

You're right. I looked right at it and overlooked it for b/c I was looking for "Edit".
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: megatrons2nd on 08 July 2019, 15:51:46
countdowns don't start for me until 10 because i only have that many fingers

i'm sure the KS will have a wide variety of tiers and stretch goals as well as some in reserve in the event things absolutely blow up

Just use your mech collection for counts.  It's what I use for numbers over twenty.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 08 July 2019, 16:14:58
based on past experience with CGL, i think a lot of us are at least a little nervous. you can detect some of the angst in the thread with people (myself included) hoping they don't get too wild with stretch goals and other addons.

hopefully they've identified what went wrong and have an action plan to avoid another catastrophe like the mailing debacle. besides the primary embarrassment of such a customer service disaster, it had to have wiped out much of any potential profit margin.

but honestly they had most of us at "classics lance packs"
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: wolfspider on 08 July 2019, 16:18:23
To make this Kick Starter work the way I think it will, we need to let people that don't view the forums or the battletech facebook page know! Shout it out from the roof tops, tell your friends and tell it to anyone you can think of! No I am not an employee just a fan that wants to see these mechs in plastic!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 08 July 2019, 16:31:52
Just use your mech collection for counts.  It's what I use for numbers over twenty.

*glances nervously at the four double rifle gun cases full of minis*

i uh... am very bad with counting and money

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 08 July 2019, 16:35:26
While I do not remember, I think it was announced before/during Origins about it and I think it will still be open for pledges during GenCon?  I have seen it posted in BT FB fan pages . . . besides posting in MWO & HBS forums (if allowed) I am not sure where else you can spread the word except FLGS.  Since I have not logged in to MWO forums for years (meh) or HBS (never bothered) I cannot say if someone has already done that but after that . . . where else do you go?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 08 July 2019, 16:39:09
https://youtu.be/aAHUNgoJQPw
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: wolfspider on 08 July 2019, 16:44:10
https://youtu.be/aAHUNgoJQPw
One of the best movies ever made and one HECK of a soundtrack!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 08 July 2019, 17:13:05
Yeah so I see that Chrome posted about what I had originally posted. I've backed multiple Kickstarters and the Shadowrun Sprawl Ops is by far the most mismanaged one in terms of execution.

After backing on a high level, I'm sitting here with nothing at all except some e-mail from a guy in Lithuania who has trouble communicating with CGL in the US that tells me that I'll get my rewards at some point in the future. And that's after around 12 previous e-mails that all read like he has no idea what's going on and the English language is unclear and a bit broken.

Like, there is literally nothing wrong with Kickstarter at all and I highly recommend using it to back the projects you love (such as this Clan Invasion thing), but this Sprawl Ops thing. Man, I tell you, it has been pretty bad.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 08 July 2019, 17:45:35
While I do not remember, I think it was announced before/during Origins about it and I think it will still be open for pledges during GenCon?  I have seen it posted in BT FB fan pages . . . besides posting in MWO & HBS forums (if allowed) I am not sure where else you can spread the word except FLGS.  Since I have not logged in to MWO forums for years (meh) or HBS (never bothered) I cannot say if someone has already done that but after that . . . where else do you go?

Most Kickstarters run for a month or so, so this one is almost certain to be open through GenCon and beyond.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 08 July 2019, 17:47:41
kickstarter themselves recommend 30 days or less. a month will go about two weeks past gencon so that checks out
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Chrome on 08 July 2019, 18:57:38
You cannot legitimately start a paragraph claiming supreme knowledge and then, in the next sentence, follow it up with wild guesses. Thank you for playing.

You are right. I should have never said "I'm guessing" since that's the exact reason that CGL provided (emphasis mine):
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There were SO many minor add-ons, stretch goals and added components it was virtually a massive time and cash sink to try and pick and pack  these products into the appropriate legendary boxes.  Since they arrived from China sealed.  This caused a LOT of confusion and time lost in the warehouses - so Catalyst made another money losing decision to clean up the air... which was to add the additional components to all the Legendary Boxes.

"I'm guessing" was said sarcastically because I don't believe the explanation Catalyst provided. I did a bad job of expressing that.

I don't believe that an established company could plan out a KickStarter with multiple pledge levels and Add-Ons and then get blind-sided by the packaging costs. Especially when they've gone so far as to hire an experienced 3rd party to help them plan for those things. Also, there weren't "SO many minor add-ons, stretch goals, and added components" when this box was packed in China. There were only 2 Add-Ons (the alt boards) and 2 components (the expansions) and they didn't even include one of the expansions in the box like they said they did. Stretch goals were the same for everyone, so it had zero impact - it was the same for every box.

I believe that they got an estimate for each packaging option and it was cheaper to have every box packed the same (thus giving away free copies of the boards and expansions) than it was to pay to have each box packed correctly.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: General308 on 08 July 2019, 19:42:25
I do have to admit that even though I plan to back.  It is going to be tough to go all in.  Given they will not have fixed the Shadowrun kickstarter by the time this one starts.  Makes me ask questions
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Euphonium on 09 July 2019, 04:21:25
For those who aren't Sprawl Ops backers, here's a link to the latest update on that campaign: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/shadowrun-sprawl-ops-boardgame/posts/2554040 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/shadowrun-sprawl-ops-boardgame/posts/2554040)
I'm still uneasy about how long it is taking to sort things out but I'm still hoping I'll be comfortable backing the BT Kickstarter before it ends.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 09 July 2019, 14:42:39
Regarding the Sprawl Ops campaign: So apparently EU backers won't be getting their rewards anytime soon and will have to wait for CGL to do another print run. Which is estimated to take 4 more months. This puts  the delivery of the boardgame for EU backers a whole year behind the original October 2018 delivery promise.

I think CGL needs to rethink the way they handle shipping rewards with this Clan Invasion thing. Other Kickstarters don't do the "delivery had to go from China to US and then US to Europe" that you're doing with Sprawl Ops. Every Kickstarter that I've backed that was not already prepacked in china and delivered directly to the fulfillment hubs resulted in problems.

Planning a delivery that will have to go through customs at least twice doesn't sound very smart to me.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: KhanPhelanWard on 09 July 2019, 17:14:46
I was going to back this KS for sure, I was going to spend 200 or 300€, but after reading the problems with the Shadow Run KS and with the delays of the new boxes still on my mind, I am rethinking if I have to participate in it or better wait until the official release...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 09 July 2019, 17:55:06
I'm just going to point out that delivery dates for Kickstarter are never guaranteed.

I don't know how preventable the issue with Shadowrun's Kickstarter were, but that level of delay isn't at all unusual.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 09 July 2019, 18:41:09
In fairness to our European brethren, the sprawl ops shipping debacle is not project delay business as usual if the shipping situation is as they describe. We’d all be furious
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Euphonium on 09 July 2019, 21:40:59
In fairness to our European brethren, the sprawl ops shipping debacle is not project delay business as usual if the shipping situation is as they describe. We’d all be furious

So far just about very KS I have ever backed has delivered 6-12 months late, but so far they all have delivered eventually.

Here's a link to the KS update that explains how the Sprawl Ops shipping mess happened:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/shadowrun-sprawl-ops-boardgame/posts/2532493 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/shadowrun-sprawl-ops-boardgame/posts/2532493)

As one of those EU backers I'm not happy and as soon as the BT KS goes live I'm going to be asking if CGL will be using the same warehouse/shipping company as they did for Sprawl Ops and what they'll be doing to avoid a repeat. I'm still willing to give CGL a chance to sort this out but I can't deny that I'm *really* hesitant about backing another KS without some serious reassurances. I still want to be able to back the BT KS though.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 10 July 2019, 02:14:38
As one of those EU backers I'm not happy and as soon as the BT KS goes live I'm going to be asking if CGL will be using the same warehouse/shipping company as they did for Sprawl Ops and what they'll be doing to avoid a repeat. I'm still willing to give CGL a chance to sort this out but I can't deny that I'm *really* hesitant about backing another KS without some serious reassurances. I still want to be able to back the BT KS though.

PSI, who messed up the shipments are CGL's regular distributor, they've been working together for years.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 10 July 2019, 03:12:51
I'm just going to point out that delivery dates for Kickstarter are never guaranteed.

I don't know how preventable the issue with Shadowrun's Kickstarter were, but that level of delay isn't at all unusual.

This is totally true, there's no problem at all if a project is delayed. That I have no qualms with whatsoever, and the hard-working people should take their time without a doubt.

I was mostly referring to the fact that the shipping was botched and the communication was lacking and unclear, with CGL especially being bad with responding to e-mails (or at least confirming that they've received a request). I'm sad for the team and the fact that they had to do another print to make it up to EU backers like myself, it just sounds like such a mess with the way the rewards were shipped.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Euphonium on 10 July 2019, 03:41:09
PSI, who messed up the shipments are CGL's regular distributor, they've been working together for years.

Considering my previous experience of ordering physical products from the old BattleShop  that does not fill me with confidence, although I think those were a different sort of problem.

I guess I just have to try & think positive and hope that as long term business partners both sides have a strong incentive to fix the last ******-up and come up with plans to prevent any future repeats
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 10 July 2019, 04:06:35
I'm in the same boat as you in terms of EU person who's waiting for their Sprawl Ops stuff (and other bits I paid for in the Backerkit), and it's frustrating.  But when I say that PSI are CGL's distributor, that's for everything.  The stuff they ship out to Asmodee and whoever else is supplying game shops these days?  PSI.  Presumably retail sales via the Battleshop go through PSI as well, but I can't say for sure. It could be that this is a one-time mess up, it could be that they're not great but this goes above and beyond.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wrangler on 10 July 2019, 08:10:49
Guys, i can understand the super heavy problems with the past CGL Kickstarter.  I'm posed to try to do this kickstart.  Its good to get a heads up on past problems for these sort things.
I've never heard of CGL doing this to hurt people or try it as money grab. I hate to see this kickstart start negatively before its even started.

Maybe complaints about CGL related Kickstarts should be in it's own thread verses killing this kickstart before it gets started.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: mbear on 10 July 2019, 08:54:10
Guys, i can understand the super heavy problems with the past CGL Kickstarter.  I'm posed to try to do this kickstart.  Its get heads up on past problems for these sort things.
I've never heard of CGL doing this to hurt people or try it as money grab. I hate to see this kickstart start negatively before its even started.

Maybe complaints about CGL related Kickstarts should be in it's own thread verses killing this kickstart before it gets started.

I'm not worried about the kickstarter, but based on some other things that have happened in the past I am really curious about who will have access to the money collected by the ks.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 10 July 2019, 09:29:41
As with all kickstarters, the project organizer has to get into one of those money booth wins tunnels and grab as much as they before time runs out. The remainder is the Kickstarter fee
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Chrome on 10 July 2019, 12:14:27
I think CGL needs to rethink the way they handle shipping rewards with this Clan Invasion thing. Other Kickstarters don't do the "delivery had to go from China to US and then US to Europe" that you're doing with Sprawl Ops. Every Kickstarter that I've backed that was not already prepacked in china and delivered directly to the fulfillment hubs resulted in problems.

Planning a delivery that will have to go through customs at least twice doesn't sound very smart to me.
I'll admit that living in the US that I never paid much attention to how they originally planned to handle rest-of-the-world delivery, but while looking thru the Updates for something on Monday I noticed that at one point they said that packages were going straight from China to the RoW distribution hubs.

From Update #51 with the original timeline:
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November 16 - Games packaged and split shipped to boats (US / CA / EU). On the boat for 3-6 weeks (maybe more for EU).

So at this point they were planning on having 3 boats out of China? Was that always the way it was always intended and they made a change, or did Thomas make a mistake when he said that? Because every post after this update only mentions a single boat.

Regardless, I've never understood why all of those CA/EU/AU pledges have just been sitting in Atlanta all this time. They should have been split off and sent out months ago.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Chrome on 10 July 2019, 12:22:13
Guys, i can understand the super heavy problems with the past CGL Kickstarter.  I'm posed to try to do this kickstart.  Its get heads up on past problems for these sort things.
I've never heard of CGL doing this to hurt people or try it as money grab. I hate to see this kickstart start negatively before its even started.

Maybe complaints about CGL related Kickstarts should be in it's own thread verses killing this kickstart before it gets started.
To be clear my intention isn't to try and kill the BT KS, just make sure that everyone goes into it with eyes wide open.

Edit - having said that, I suppose since my first post here is about the KS that it probably looks exactly like I'm trying to kill this KS! :-/ I posted here b/c I haven't been active w/BT for a long time and this seemed to be the most active BT forum now. I'm just trying to say that my intentions for posting here aren't anti-BT. If there's anyone around here who was active back when The Dropship or Steel Command BT sites were active they may remember me from there.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SteelRaven on 10 July 2019, 12:46:10
This is why CGL has been very very conservative and tight lip when it comes to Kickstarter, it's a few in the forum that's been talking about KS like some magic bullet until now after PSI screwed up.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 10 July 2019, 14:12:15
I think it’s perfectly reasonable to point out that a company recently ran a capital campaign that had major distribution issues and may potentially be using the same infrastructure to distribute again while still working on issues from the first go around. None of what people are talking about is wild speculation or fear mongering but very real concerns about things that have already happened in a tone that is concerned than hyperbolically angry.

I have yet to see anyone dismiss the sprawl ops situation as dishonestly portrayed so I don’t feel it’s something to sweep under the rug.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Springer_Prime on 10 July 2019, 17:11:17
Ive been playing Battletech since it started when I was a teenager.  I remember everything Battletech and I even have some of the lead Battledroids minis.  I also used to Demo for IWM.  Ive got mixed feelings about this kick starter.

Out here in WA Catalyst Games has a retail arm called Wishes.  Where they refuse to carry IWM metal minis for Battletech.  While I agree the prototypes of the Kickstarter look great (although the Dire Wolf looks amazingly identical to the last Plastech version I have).  I really dont feel excited about this kick starter.  Battletech has always had 2 companies working side by side to provide us with amazing game play and miniature modeling.  One for the game, the other for the metal miniatures.  Apparently Catalyst games doesn't want to share for the sake of all the fans of the game.  Not to mention they wont let you play Battletech in their store unless you play strictly by Commando / Current rule set. 

So im sorry.  I own over 500 Btech minis... (still dont have them all painted) I guess that will have to suffice.  Those that join in the Kickstarter, Good luck and enjoy!

Springer Prime
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 10 July 2019, 17:40:14
Even though I backed Sprawl Ops and am one of the unlucky few who won't see the boardgame for at least a couple of months more, I will back the living hell out of this Battletech Kickstarter. The Sprawl Ops mess is no big deal in the long run and I'm sure that it can only work as a learning lesson if anything. I've also backed a whole lot of Kickstarters in my time (mostly videogame related) and all of them have been absolutely amazing.

I can only recommend Kickstarter and I hope no one has any reservations about Kickstarter as a concept. It works almost all the time and it helps make the product you love come alive thanks to some awesome dedication by the producers. In that sense, even though Sprawl Ops kind of burned me a little bit, I still whole-heartily recommend backing the Clan Invasion next week.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 10 July 2019, 17:55:48
... I really dont feel excited about this kick starter.  Battletech has always had 2 companies working side by side to provide us with amazing game play and miniature modeling.  One for the game, the other for the metal miniatures.  Apparently Catalyst games doesn't want to share for the sake of all the fans of the game. ...

It's the fans that want the plastic minis.  IWM has shown no interest (that I'm aware of) in producing plastic minis. Catalyst is hardly being the bad guy by giving us what many of us want.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Maingunnery on 10 July 2019, 17:57:32

I think it is most about creating a core set of miniatures that can be kept in stores, which the game really needs.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 10 July 2019, 17:59:33
It's the fans that want the plastic minis.  IWM has shown no interest (that I'm aware of) in producing plastic minis. Catalyst is hardly being the bad guy by giving us what many of us want.

I think he os suggesting Wishes should carry IWM metal minis and be freer with the rulesets they allow in store
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RoundTop on 10 July 2019, 18:04:28
Out here in WA Catalyst Games has a retail arm called Wishes.  Where they refuse to carry IWM metal minis for Battletech. 

Springer Prime

Not quite, but close. Wishes is owned by Loren Coleman, who is also an owner of InMediaRes/Catalyst. So often the two work together for conventions around Seattle, but they are not the same company. They share one head person (Randall is not a part of Wishes). At conventions where both are present, Wishes staff never work at the Catalyst area and the reverse is also true* (*Except for Loren Coleman and his sons, who are involved with both). (Though at cons such as PAX Catalyst will store excess Wishes stock if they have room for it that Wishes doesn't have at the convention).
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 10 July 2019, 18:05:35
I think he os suggesting Wishes should carry IWM metal minis and be freer with the rulesets they allow in store

Okay, that I can understand.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sellsword on 10 July 2019, 21:01:48
It's the fans that want the plastic minis.  IWM has shown no interest (that I'm aware of) in producing plastic minis. Catalyst is hardly being the bad guy by giving us what many of us want.

I don't think there is a bad guy or good guy here but there are potential serious relationship problems that can occur between CGL & IWM over this kickstarter.  If the plastic mini are as successful as CGL hopes, there is no doubt that they will impact IWM bottom line on their own mini sales.  Additionally I find it amusing that CGL's best chance at growth and additional sales is from the mini market.  This is a board game.  Minis aren't important. ;)  How many years have those lines been touted?  And yet here we are looking for growth not from the books or rules but from the miniatures.

I just hope CGL understands the potential impact this can have on the one partner that has stuck by them throughout the years.  And I don't believe that allowing IWM to release the minis at a later date in metal is much compensation.  Initial sales of a product are almost always strongest at the beginning and then taper off.  IWM would be picking up the left overs.  Hopefully this has all been worked out behind the scenes.

Anyway just my thoughts on the kickstarter.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 10 July 2019, 21:31:50
ok a question. i've seen this on FB more than a few times, and it warrants discussion and possibly answers from one of the Catalyst people if they aren't blocked by NDA's about it.

for people who are new to the game and pretty well served by the existing box sets as far as having mech on mech play scenarios, what does the Clan invasion set add other than just new mechs and weapons, that would encourage players to consider getting them. often cited is for example how the current box sets are a bit light on setting info and lore, and newer players asking whether the new sets will have more setting info and lore, not just on the clans but on the wars of the Innersphere and such.

personally i think it is a valid question. all the starter sets in the past have always been rather light on setting detail, not really getting much into the actual conflicts of the inner sphere beyond the abstract "which factions fight which factions" aspects.
the clan expansion sets have the potential to include info on things like the Ronin war, the War of 3039, and some of the other conflicts during the Clan invasion era (Capellan-St.ives war, the refusal war, etc) which would give the players more options for coming up with scenarios and campaigns.

also IMO it wouldn't hurt to include a version of the bare bones chaos campaign rules like those found in the recent succession wars chaos campaign PDF, so players can have the option for doing campaigns that are more than just a series of individual scenarios.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 10 July 2019, 21:35:09
Sneak Peek – BattleTech: Clan Invasion Boxed Set Contents

At the heart of the BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is the Clan Invasion boxed set, an expansion to the bestselling BattleTech Beginner Box and A Game of Armored Combat boxed sets. Ready for a sneak peek?

One copy of the Clan Invasion box will be included for all backers at the $50 pledge level; additional copies can be purchased for $50 each as add-on items.

Here is what’s inside:

•   Five high-quality plastic miniatures – the reimagined Executioner, Timber Wolf, Nova, Grendel, and Adder OmniMechs;
•   Two dice, exactly like those in A Game of Armored Combat;
•   A 16-page Clan Primer, in the style of the BattleTech primer included with the recent box sets, but focused on the Clans;
•   A Clan Rulebook, expanding on the A Game of Armored Combat rulebook and introducing new rules for the Clans, their OmniMechs, and the high-powered weapons they wield;
•   A booklet of record sheets
•   A 24-page novella featuring an all-new story told from the Clan point-of-view;
•   Five pilot cards and five Alpha Strike cards, each double-sided;
•   A revised reference card, updated with the rules and stats for Clan units;
•   Two double-sided mapsheets featuring all-new battlefields;
•   One sheet of die-cut, punch out cardboard playing pieces representing each of the five OmniMechs in the box, along with terrain from the mapsheets.

The BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter goes live next Wednesday, July 17 at 1 p.m. Eastern / 10 a.m. Pacific!

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Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 10 July 2019, 21:40:11
ok a question. i've seen this on FB more than a few times, and it warrants discussion and possibly answers from one of the Catalyst people if they aren't blocked by NDA's about it.

for people who are new to the game and pretty well served by the existing box sets as far as having mech on mech play scenarios, what does the Clan invasion set add other than just new mechs and weapons, that would encourage players to consider getting them.

I swear on my children's lives that I had that box set contents sneak peek post planned and scheduled for a WEEK to go live around 9:30 p.m. tonight.

But wow, you timed your request PERFECTLY...

To try to answer your question(s) more specifically - the scope of this initial box had to be pretty tight, and the focus was 100 pct on the beautiful redesigned minis. Stuffing the box with a lot of paper might have pleased some customers, but there's a cost to everything, and you have to make choices.

Along the same lines, covering everything from 3030 to 3061 in one box is, I think, too much ground to cover thematically. This box is about the Clan Invasion, and the contents and minis tie into that one, specific event. Also, you want to leave yourself room for possible products. Are we ever going to see a Ronin War boxed set? I wouldn't hold my breath. But it's important to not to allow mission drift, and try to make one massive thing that tries to be all things to all people.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wildonion on 10 July 2019, 21:40:21
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Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 10 July 2019, 21:46:11
I swear on my children's lives that I had that box set contents sneak peek post planned and scheduled for a WEEK to go live around 9:30 p.m. tonight.

But wow, you timed your request PERFECTLY...
most of the questions of this kind came up shortly after the announcement, and the fact i couldn't give an answer has guilt tripped me for awhile. a lot of people on the facebook groups seemed unable to give an answer beyond "more mechs and weapons, what else could you want, if you want lore go to sarna" which frankly rankled me and seemed a bad way to encourage new players. (i've read most of the novels and sourcebooks, and even i have trouble using sarna for lore purposes most of the time. expecting a new player that hasn't read all those things to know what to look for is overly optimistic)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Springer_Prime on 10 July 2019, 21:46:29
I think he os suggesting Wishes should carry IWM metal minis and be freer with the rulesets they allow in store

That's exactly it.  When I asked if I could bring my friends in and play Battletech and Mechwarrior together (Table Top and RPG) they said I could not play any version of Battltech unless it was strictly in accordance with the Commando rules.  Years ago, in my friends store in Greeley Colorado we hammered out a Balanced set or tournament rules (as at the time they were all based on tonnage killed).  I was told, even if it was just among my group, I could not use that in their store.

Springer Prime
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Springer_Prime on 10 July 2019, 21:49:21
Not quite, but close. Wishes is owned by Loren Coleman, who is also an owner of InMediaRes/Catalyst. So often the two work together for conventions around Seattle, but they are not the same company. They share one head person (Randall is not a part of Wishes). At conventions where both are present, Wishes staff never work at the Catalyst area and the reverse is also true* (*Except for Loren Coleman and his sons, who are involved with both). (Though at cons such as PAX Catalyst will store excess Wishes stock if they have room for it that Wishes doesn't have at the convention).
ah, I appropriate the clarification.  The information I gave was based entirely upon what I was told by the, Then Manager of the Wishes Store when they were in Everett Mall.

Springer Prime
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 10 July 2019, 21:50:00
"more mechs and weapons, what else could you want, if you want lore go to sarna" which frankly rankled me and seemed a bad way to encourage new players.

That certainly wouldn't be my "official" answer. Sarna is great, but relying on a third party wiki to provide background is not a good way to grow. I'd point them to TRO Succession Wars, Era Report 3052 in PDF, or something like that.

But hey--I'm paving over my own big announcement. Go look, people!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 10 July 2019, 22:03:15
ok a question. i've seen this on FB more than a few times, and it warrants discussion and possibly answers from one of the Catalyst people if they aren't blocked by NDA's about it.

for people who are new to the game and pretty well served by the existing box sets as far as having mech on mech play scenarios, what does the Clan invasion set add other than just new mechs and weapons, that would encourage players to consider getting them. often cited is for example how the current box sets are a bit light on setting info and lore, and newer players asking whether the new sets will have more setting info and lore, not just on the clans but on the wars of the Innersphere and such.

personally i think it is a valid question. all the starter sets in the past have always been rather light on setting detail, not really getting much into the actual conflicts of the inner sphere beyond the abstract "which factions fight which factions" aspects.
the clan expansion sets have the potential to include info on things like the Ronin war, the War of 3039, and some of the other conflicts during the Clan invasion era (Capellan-St.ives war, the refusal war, etc) which would give the players more options for coming up with scenarios and campaigns.

also IMO it wouldn't hurt to include a version of the bare bones chaos campaign rules like those found in the recent succession wars chaos campaign PDF, so players can have the option for doing campaigns that are more than just a series of individual scenarios.

This is a valid viewpoint, especially since the succession wars have been so sparsely covered by cgl. I don’t consider directing people to FASA pdf scans good enough in this day and age, especially since the production value of the more recent products is so much more superior to even the FanPro days. A classics expansion box that focused on the 4th SW would have been a good option too. But there are advantages to framing your primary eras first and backfilling as well - alpha strike is firmly ensconced around the first half of the clan invasion and the clan box provides support for that, even if indirectly. I can see both sides of it and I what the right answer is probably boils down to personal preference

What would help tremendously at present is if one could get at least PoD of ER 3052 and 62 plus the blood of Kerensky trilogy as they all work as excellent primers to the clan invasion.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Joewrightgm on 10 July 2019, 22:10:38
My body (if not really my wallet!) is ready!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Spaceman on 10 July 2019, 22:12:18
DAMN! That preview is nice! makes me want those books more now!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: truetanker on 10 July 2019, 22:22:35
* Punches wall... rent Rent RENT RENT.

Damnit... * curses rent!

TT

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Fat Guy on 10 July 2019, 22:29:10
I'm hoping that the rulebook has rules for the Inner Sphere tech of the time period as well, and the record sheets include 3050 variants of the 'Mechs from the Beginner Box and AGoAC .
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 10 July 2019, 22:40:24
Nah, that'll happen in the Fedcom Civil War box streatch goal.

Hopefully. Plastic Fafnir VS Sagittaire VS Akuma for the win.

[/joking]

Unless the price is completely out of line, I'll pick up a box. I'd be more stoked with a different lineup, though. Those are all mechs that have high BPV, arguably more than some are worth.

not exactly golden century either, executioner, puma and Grendel are 31st century.

Still gonna pick up a box
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 10 July 2019, 22:42:10
I'm hoping that the rulebook has rules for the Inner Sphere tech of the time period as well, and the record sheets include 3050 variants of the 'Mechs from the Beginner Box and AGoAC .

It would also match well with the advanced tech in TRO: SW which would allow you to use the vast majority of Record Sheets: Succession Wars with just the two boxes
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 11 July 2019, 02:37:21
Folks here in Oz are about to get their tax-returns, and the government put through some nice big tax-cuts this year that will give us over $1000 to play around with before the regular returns are calculated.

What timing!!!  :D

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 11 July 2019, 04:59:53
Thanks for the sneak peek of the Kickstarter, Cubby. It looks fantastic and I am really looking forward to supporting it!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Silverline on 11 July 2019, 05:34:55
Folks here in Oz are about to get their tax-returns, and the government put through some nice big tax-cuts this year that will give us over $1000 to play around with before the regular returns are calculated.

What timing!!!  :D

BYE

I'm just lodging mine now, and I expect that a not-insubstantial portion of my return will be going towards plastic mechs!

The Kickstarter announcement is what finally drove me to take the plunge into TT Battletech after being a fan of the PC games for as long as I can remember, and I've been (slowly) painting up the pair from the beginner box over the last couple of weeks. The Clan 'mechs in particular hold a special place in my heart since Mechwarrior 2 was my first introduction to the universe, and I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on them. I'm a little disappointed that the Mad Dog isn't part of the core set, but I'd be surprised if it isn't included in the Attack Star box.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 11 July 2019, 05:41:32
Sneak Peek – BattleTech: Clan Invasion Boxed Set Contents

At the heart of the BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is the Clan Invasion boxed set, an expansion to the bestselling BattleTech Beginner Box and A Game of Armored Combat boxed sets. Ready for a sneak peek?

One copy of the Clan Invasion box will be included for all backers at the $50 pledge level; additional copies can be purchased for $50 each as add-on items.

Here is what’s inside:

•   Five high-quality plastic miniatures – the reimagined Executioner, Timber Wolf, Nova, Grendel, and Adder OmniMechs;
•   Two dice, exactly like those in A Game of Armored Combat;
•   A 16-page Clan Primer, in the style of the BattleTech primer included with the recent box sets, but focused on the Clans;
•   A Clan Rulebook, expanding on the A Game of Armored Combat rulebook and introducing new rules for the Clans, their OmniMechs, and the high-powered weapons they wield;
•   A booklet of record sheets
•   A 24-page novella featuring an all-new story told from the Clan point-of-view;
•   Five pilot cards and five Alpha Strike cards, each double-sided;
•   A revised reference card, updated with the rules and stats for Clan units;
•   Two double-sided mapsheets featuring all-new battlefields;
•   One sheet of die-cut, punch out cardboard playing pieces representing each of the five OmniMechs in the box, along with terrain from the mapsheets.

The BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter goes live next Wednesday, July 17 at 1 p.m. Eastern / 10 a.m. Pacific!

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This looks incredible.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 11 July 2019, 05:54:37
I'm a little disappointed that the Mad Dog isn't part of the core set, but I'd be surprised if it isn't included in the Attack Star box.

It is definitely going to be included in one of those stretch goal box sets, the concept sketch for it has been shown on the artist's patreon account, and it looks absolutely fantastic!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 11 July 2019, 06:11:20
This looks incredible.

It does, but I think'd have been slightly better served with different Mechs on the covers - that's four different views of a Mad Cat.
Still economics being what they are, it's easy to understand why.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Maingunnery on 11 July 2019, 06:43:11

But why a Grendel?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SCC on 11 July 2019, 06:44:51
This is a valid viewpoint, especially since the succession wars have been so sparsely covered by cgl. I don’t consider directing people to FASA pdf scans good enough in this day and age, especially since the production value of the more recent products is so much more superior to even the FanPro days. A classics expansion box that focused on the 4th SW would have been a good option too. But there are advantages to framing your primary eras first and backfilling as well - alpha strike is firmly ensconced around the first half of the clan invasion and the clan box provides support for that, even if indirectly. I can see both sides of it and I what the right answer is probably boils down to personal preference

What would help tremendously at present is if one could get at least PoD of ER 3052 and 62 plus the blood of Kerensky trilogy as they all work as excellent primers to the clan invasion.


Assuming you're talking about the late Succession Wars, the problem is that FASA already covered it in detail, so any book covering would only be catering to new players and the 3025 or bust group, and for the former new art would be required.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Fear Factory on 11 July 2019, 08:08:47
But why a Grendel?

I have no idea... Just roll with it.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 11 July 2019, 08:47:10
Assuming you're talking about the late Succession Wars, the problem is that FASA already covered it in detail, so any book covering would only be catering to new players and the 3025 or bust group, and for the former new art would be required.

I’m not in the camp advocating such a thing, I simply was empathizing to the viewpoint. Personally I’m happy with the chosen direction

But consider for a second the idea that the late succession wars are “tapped out” due to extensive previous coverage. The last late succession wars sourcebook produced by FASA was 20 Year Update in 1989 with a few callbacks in scenario packs like MAC and Battle Pack: 4th Sw. Brush Wars and War of 3039 are fifteen years old already. It speaks poorly to the future demographics of the game if a new player is someone who missed our on books OOP for nearly thirty years. I started in ‘96 just after 4th ed was released and the only way I learned about much previous to the clan invasion was because my friend’s uncle had some of the late 80s stuff. A second question: what about the even more exhaustively covered by FASA early clan invasion is any more appealing to vets? If the argument is been there, done that the only universally acceptable era is 3150.

Further, a classics-based box wouldn’t be any less new-player centric than the first box. Old hands are mainly in it for the minis. I’m guessing most people here would fail a pop quiz on the contents. I think a more important question is asking what new players want from an expansion box. Are they happy with no or few new rules or equipment with the expansion being in new units and background? What expectations have their experience from playing other games with expansions created? I ask because I have no idea.

Again, I think the clan box works better with the current product line, but I think we need to reconsider philosophically about how we think about the product line in general. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 11 July 2019, 09:14:17
The Grendel does seem like an odd choice, but its a pretty solid little mech and technically an Invasion-era machine. 

And, hey, if this gets people using more than the original four medium Clan omnis from 3050, why not give it a shot?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Nips on 11 July 2019, 09:19:35
I keep throwing my wallet at my screen, but it's not working.  Guess I'll have to wait a few more days!

Also, does anyone else think the Nova looks a little big?  Feels like our favorite little laserboat has been hitting the gym for leg day (yay, hips!), but maybe did a bit too much protein shake in the process.

(https://i.ibb.co/cyrR3z9/Clan-Invasion-Star-All-Five.png)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 11 July 2019, 09:22:33
It does look bigger than the daishi... did it find the 80s weightlifter roids?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 11 July 2019, 09:24:30
But why a Grendel?

Clan Diamond Shark product placement.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Gigastrike on 11 July 2019, 09:32:01
It does look bigger than the daishi... did it find the 80s weightlifter roids?

That's because the Daishi is an Adder.  Though, to be fair, the Adder, Direwolf, and even Warhawk to an extent have always been the same general structure with different proportions.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 11 July 2019, 09:34:08
That's because the Daishi is an Adder.

Also, if you look at that rendering, the hex bases on the Nova and the Adder are larger than the ones on the Exe and the Timber Wolf, which makes me think that they aren't going to look that large in-hand. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 11 July 2019, 09:35:53
This is what I get for looking at pics on mobile without my glasses
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Luciora on 11 July 2019, 09:37:08
I would LOVE a metal version of that Executioner, and the Gargoyle in those same lines.  The head looks more natural and not a huge target anymore!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 11 July 2019, 09:41:25
I keep throwing my wallet at my screen, but it's not working.  Guess I'll have to wait a few more days!

Also, does anyone else think the Nova looks a little big?  Feels like our favorite little laserboat has been hitting the gym for leg day (yay, hips!), but maybe did a bit too much protein shake in the process.

(https://i.ibb.co/cyrR3z9/Clan-Invasion-Star-All-Five.png)

I wouldn't be too much concerned with scale. Compare the pic of the Summoner and Dire Wolf...one described as short and squat, the other one of the tallest Mechs around.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Mendrugo on 11 July 2019, 09:49:21
But why a Grendel?

Clearly to give the Beowulf from the FRR Box Set a playmate.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Maingunnery on 11 July 2019, 10:35:47
The Grendel does seem like an odd choice, but its a pretty solid little mech and technically an Invasion-era machine. 

And, hey, if this gets people using more than the original four medium Clan omnis from 3050, why not give it a shot?
I have a couple of metal Grendels (second hand from a lot), so I have some experience with them, and in mine opinion they are Meh in performance (compared to other Clan omnis) and have a forgettable appearance, like the last kid that gets chosen in gym class. Poor Mech, it even gets bullied by Clan Light Mechs.....

Clan Diamond Shark product placement.
Sounds legit.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 11 July 2019, 10:54:51
But why a Grendel?

IMO its several reasons IC & OOC

IC-  It was a Shark design that appeared late in Operation Revival, and due to how the Shark's behaved with it is reasonable for it to show up with Bears, Jags, Cats, or even Vipers- less so with the Wolves or Falcons.  A player can rightly expect to plug it into any Clan they want to represent during the Invasion.

OOC -  Considering the Clan Invasion box is a expansion to the Beginner & GoAC, mechanics-wise its not something that will be OP against those IS mechs in their 3050 variants.  We get the Nova as seen here and I think we had a peak at the Stormcrow, so it leaves a few other options for profiles- fast (Ice Ferret, Phantom) and fast/jumpers (Viper).  Mongrel IMO is a better choice than the Viper, annoying +4 TH jumping with poor weapon selection for general play, because it can be more forgiving to new players introduced to advanced tech.  The Ice Ferret is too identified with the Wolves to be added along side the Adder, Timber Wolf and Dire Wolf plus it has no jumping configs for the era which means it would not be as broad in its player appeal . . . and keeps those new players away from the usual Ice Ferret D universal hammer.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SteelRaven on 11 July 2019, 10:55:42
I keep throwing my wallet at my screen, but it's not working.  Guess I'll have to wait a few more days!

Also, does anyone else think the Nova looks a little big?  Feels like our favorite little laserboat has been hitting the gym for leg day (yay, hips!), but maybe did a bit too much protein shake in the process.

(https://i.ibb.co/cyrR3z9/Clan-Invasion-Star-All-Five.png)

Look at the Hex Bases for scale, some of the minis got blown up in the photo so you could see the details.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Fear Factory on 11 July 2019, 10:55:58
I would still take a Viper over a Grendel, but that's for another thread.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SteelRaven on 11 July 2019, 10:57:27
I like the Grendel and this mini looks especially nice!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Maingunnery on 11 July 2019, 11:01:06
OOC -  Considering the Clan Invasion box is a expansion to the Beginner & GoAC, mechanics-wise its not something that will be OP against those IS mechs in their 3050 variants.  We get the Nova as seen here and I think we had a peak at the Stormcrow, so it leaves a few other options for profiles- fast (Ice Ferret, Phantom) and fast/jumpers (Viper).  Mongrel IMO is a better choice than the Viper, annoying +4 TH jumping with poor weapon selection for general play, because it can be more forgiving to new players introduced to advanced tech.  The Ice Ferret is too identified with the Wolves to be added along side the Adder, Timber Wolf and Dire Wolf plus it has no jumping configs for the era which means it would not be as broad in its player appeal . . . and keeps those new players away from the usual Ice Ferret D universal hammer.
Those are sadly good arguments, here is to hoping for further visual improvements to the Grendel (but has already got some, but could use a lot more).
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Scotty on 11 July 2019, 11:04:03
It may be worth considering that relative efficiency/optimization of a given Omni is arguably bad for an expansion box.  Yes, we the players know that Stormcrows, Ice Ferrets, Timber Wolves, and Dire Wolves are all some of the best things in the game at what they do and will correspondingly get picked a lot.  Throwing five of the best Omnis up against eight IS Mechs is a curb-stomping waiting to happen.  That's a serious problem for players who are not experts at the game.

These five are going to give the 8 'Mechs in the Game of Armored Combat box a good fight.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 11 July 2019, 11:12:57
Huh?  IIRC the Mongrel, which weights in the same as the Ice Ferret, is a more 'efficient' design b/c engine weight vs speed . . . though its been a while since I saw those calculations and generally could care less.  I grant the fixed JJs sort of remove some of that saved weight but I think the Mongrel has better varied configs and like I said precludes the universal hammer.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 11 July 2019, 12:14:38
Look at the Hex Bases for scale, some of the minis got blown up in the photo so you could see the details.

As he Said. Attached is a pic with the Nova And Adder a little rescaled (roughly) to make the bases an equalish size to the top row.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 12:49:38
Now they look too small lol (gonna assume perspective issue)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Scotty on 11 July 2019, 12:52:32
Now they look too small lol (gonna assume perspective issue)

That picture shrunk them way too much.  The difference between bases on the Executioner and the Nova is... not close.

That said, both of them still look pretty squat; don't expect them to suddenly be as tall as even their own class machines. :P
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 12:59:35
Well, the Nova and Adder both lack "waist", so they're shorter than most 'Mechs.
(Come to think of it, the Stormcrow does lack waist as well but its peculiar structure makes it tall.)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Nips on 11 July 2019, 13:02:11
I'm not one to get too worked up about Battletech miniature scaling issues; I made peace with that forever ago.  And, being a relatively technical person, I can tell the difference between two sizes of pictures from the bases.  :P

I'm just wondering how the Nova got so thick.  Compare to the old art:

(http://www.masterunitlist.info/Image/RenderImage?width=300&height=400&file=https%3A%2F%2Fs3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com%2Fmul-images%2FBattleMechs%2FBlack%20Hawk%20(Nova).png)

See how skinny those limbs are?  Even accounting for extra midsection (hips! Yay!), this new render's been hittin' the gym.

Which is fine!  I love the new renders, and will be trying to take out a second mortgage to finance more kickin' when the time comes.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Crimson Dawn on 11 July 2019, 15:10:25
I really like how with some of the new art makes me like some mechs that I otherwise did not care for.  IN particular I really like the Gladiator.  Normally I thought the design looked pretty bleh but this one looks sweet.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 11 July 2019, 15:26:57
Anybody else think the Timberwolf is a bit on the chubby side?

It's not really a serious complaint, but maybe this kitty needs to cut down on the treats.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 11 July 2019, 15:29:13
Anybody else think the Timberwolf is a bit on the chubby side?

It's not really a serious complaint, but maybe this kitty needs to cut down on the treats.

He stopped skipping leg day and now all the other Omnimechs won't kick sand in his face.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 15:42:22
Looking at the revealed 'Mechs so far, i feel some deviate too much from the originals.
The Nova gained waist and has hulked out unnecessarily. The Mist Lynx looks more like the Sling than the original Mist Lynx, not a bad look per se but it ain't Mist Lynx. The Executioner's legs feel way too small/thin, arguably the more agile look suits its stats but... eh.

The Timber Wolf's not bad but i don't really see it as improvement over the previous model, prefer that. It is definitively a bit fat. I will call that one Fat Cat from here on now.
The Adder, Summoner, and Dire Wolf, look OK. The Stormcrow's OK but i don't like the laser re-arrangement on the arms, even if it is more sensible than the original but this is pretty minor.

The Grendel is an improvement certainly. But i never cared for the 'Mech so whatever.
The Shadow Cat looks good, it needed a new model. Though now i wish there was a model patterned after the MWDA mini, that'd go nicely with the Avalanche and Wendigo.
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Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 11 July 2019, 15:43:49
The Shadow Cat looks good, it needed a new model. Though now i wish there was a model patterned after the MWDA mini, that'd go nicely with the Avalanche and Wendigo.

The Dark Age Shadow Cat is on IWM's release schedule for this year.
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Post by: Gigastrike on 11 July 2019, 15:45:40
Looking at the revealed 'Mechs so far, i feel some deviate too much from the originals.

They're clearly trying to take inspiration from the MWO models.
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Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 15:50:02
The Dark Age Shadow Cat is on IWM's release schedule for this year.
It is??? Whoah. Are there pics of that yet?

They're clearly trying to take inspiration from the MWO models.
I don't as a general rule like any MWO 'Mech looks.
At least the Classics look good and not like their MWO counterparts. EDIT Come to think of this, the Archer and Rifleman look pretty good in MWO. And the Thunderbolt's OK. They're not all bad, and certainly look better in motion, especially in HBS BattleTech as melee animations make them more dynamic looking instead of being just walking bricks.
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Post by: SteelRaven on 11 July 2019, 16:00:30
Think allot of us are showing our age,

'It looks different, Arrrrrrgh!!!'

I gave up arguing over art preferences a long time ago. One friend of mine always thought the T-Wolf limbs looked week for a 75 tone monster, I'm sure this will shut him up.
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Post by: Bedwyr on 11 July 2019, 16:04:39
Well *I* like it. <nods with vigor> <hands on hips>

:)
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Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 11 July 2019, 16:12:31
It is??? Whoah. Are there pics of that yet?

Not that I'm aware of.  Here's the schedule (https://www.ironwindmetals.com/index.php/release-schedule-main) (note that the EMP-1A Emperor was released in the 2nd quarter due to the Scourge being delayed).
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Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 16:13:10
Think allot of us are showing our age,
Talk for yourself, i'm under 30 and relatively new to Battletech. There are many 'Mechs that can do with updated looks, i just think the Clan original Omnis don't really belong to that category.

Personally i prefer the MWIV iteration of the Timber Wolf. A bit beefier than the original but looks suitably lean still, more solid-looking missile launchers without being too flat like MWO has them. Pity there's no mini for that, but at least the Vulture III looks a lot like MWIV Vulture which looked good as well.

Not that I'm aware of.  Here's the schedule (https://www.ironwindmetals.com/index.php/release-schedule-main) (note that the EMP-1A Emperor was released in the 2nd quarter due to the Scourge being delayed).
Thanks, gotta keep this in mind as i'm considering future Dark Age acquisitions. Future, and not anytime soon either...
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Post by: worktroll on 11 July 2019, 16:32:37
IWM's metal Timber Wolves are going to continue to be available. The lovely, lovely resculpt. Mix and match!
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Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 16:36:43
IWM's metal Timber Wolves are going to continue to be available. The lovely, lovely resculpt. Mix and match!
I'm more of a "set collector", so i'll go all IWM or all plastic when it comes to the original 16. Now this is assuming all of the originals get plastics, i can understand not all them would. If there won't be all 16, then i suppose i might treat the plastics as a set in themselves.
Regardless, Clan 'Mech acquisitions have to wait for now.

And much to my surprise, i found a MWO 'Mech i absolutely prefer to the original: The Linebacker. Now, if only the 'Mech itself wasn't trash... Wolf-in-Exile nonsense.
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Post by: Colt Ward on 11 July 2019, 16:45:08
Its not a Warden Wolf design?  It existed going into Revival?

So . . . these are STILL computer renderings put together for the image, plus with that angle how can you really be sure it has a waist or is really too much beefier- I looked and its possible the Nova is like the old War Dog art.
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Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 16:54:06
Its not a Warden Wolf design?  It existed going into Revival?
Uh, right, yeah. Debuted well before the Wolf-Falcon conflict. But the design is strongly associated with the Exiled Wolves. My primary issue with the design is that it is 5 tons too heavy for its speed and subsequently as kind of terrible configurations, might as well use a Stormcrow.

As for the Nova, it is absolutely beefier than the original art or IWM model makes it. Lasers in the arms take more space, the arms themselves look a bit thicker in proportion to the body. And it got waist now, that's my biggest issue with the design. The Nova's lack of waist is an interesting visual and engineering quirk. Makes it simpler to manufacture while lowering the profile.
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Post by: Colt Ward on 11 July 2019, 17:05:59
Eh, I think you are blowing out of proportion (eh, punny?)

We have a top down view . . . the arms and everything else block the legs besides the feet.  You also cannot get a clear view of the torso in that, and while it may show a split on that torso, the legs could be attached the whole way up the torso with the arms attaching to that instead of the torso directly- like the War Dog original art like I mentioned.  The lasers are larger . . .

As far as the Mist Lynx?  It still harkens back to the original and bridges the look between 3050 and the MWDA Koshi std mech.
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Post by: sadlerbw on 11 July 2019, 17:12:36
My wallet is now prepared: Paid off all the Origins bills, and the GenCon hasn't sucked my dry yet. I'm as ready as I'm going to get. The money-pult is locked and loaded, just waiting for the order to fire.
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Post by: Scotty on 11 July 2019, 17:13:09
Mechs that lack waists pretty much universally look better with waists.  The Cauldron-Born is another good example.  It's especially bad with the "My hips are also my shoulders!" crew, which must have a hell of a time actually aiming anything mounted in the torso while moving.
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Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 17:16:26
We have a top down view . . . the arms and everything else block the legs besides the feet.  You also cannot get a clear view of the torso in that, and while it may show a split on that torso, the legs could be attached the whole way up the torso with the arms attaching to that instead of the torso directly- like the War Dog original art like I mentioned.  The lasers are larger . . .


The legs in the Nova are very visible. They're not connected to arms. See attached image, green shows where the leg was attached in the old version (overall the old version is a bit wider as a result), and red shows where the (left) hip is.
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Post by: Sartris on 11 July 2019, 17:18:13
Mechs that lack waists pretty much universally look better with waists.  The Cauldron-Born is another good example.  It's especially bad with the "My hips are also my shoulders!" crew, which must have a hell of a time actually aiming anything mounted in the torso while moving.

That fan art of the waisted yeoman is the hottest makeover of the 31st century
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Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 17:22:24
Mechs that lack waists pretty much universally look better with waists.  The Cauldron-Born is another good example.  It's especially bad with the "My hips are also my shoulders!" crew, which must have a hell of a time actually aiming anything mounted in the torso while moving.
I'll grant you the Cauldron-Born as an exception. Think it belongs to the class of 'Mechs that do need new art... but then again, it is not part of the original 16 and lacks the same styling as the originals.
(Its MWO version is pretty good but it stands a just bit too tall, naturally the waist adds some height but i wish it were very slightly less tall.)

That fan art of the waisted yeoman is the hottest makeover of the 31st century
The Yeoman cannot be saved! At least i believe it can't be, now i need to look for the fan art...
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Post by: Scotty on 11 July 2019, 17:25:39
If you ask me, the more defining feature of most Mechs that that lack waists (like the Nova) is not the lack of waist, it's the typically by-definition corresponding trait that their elbows are lower than their hips.  The Nova still has the squat, almost hunckbacked posture, which at least in my opinion is the trait it needs to share to be "right".
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Post by: Fear Factory on 11 July 2019, 17:28:33
It'll be like taking the overhead arms off the Fire Moth. Why take away defining traits?
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Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 17:33:23
If you ask me, the more defining feature of most Mechs that that lack waists (like the Nova) is not the lack of waist, it's the typically by-definition corresponding trait that their elbows are lower than their hips.  The Nova still has the squat, almost hunckbacked posture, which at least in my opinion is the trait it needs to share to be "right".
Dunno, low hanging arms aren't too uncommon. The Adder is similar in this (of course, it also lacks proper waist... but i figure it can be updated with a waist and retain its overall looks), as is the Kit Fox (again, easier to add waist without messing up the design). The Viper and Nova are very much defined by their arms and legs sharing, uh, hip-shoulder. Hipoulder?

EDIT MWIV added waist to the Adder and Kit Fox without drastically changing their overall profile.
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Post by: Scotty on 11 July 2019, 17:43:19
Hipshoulders are honestly the thing I hate,  but "no waist" also includes a number of Mechs that could really use one.  Chief among them the Marauder, and thank God for the one we got.
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Post by: Fear Factory on 11 July 2019, 17:43:29
The Nova's waist is now the same thing the Kit Fox has. I'll laugh if the Kit Fox is actually changed.
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Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 17:53:30
Chief among them the Marauder, and thank God for the one we got.
Uh, the Marauder's unseen image and Project Phoenix version both have waist. Maybe not very twisty one (i recall MWIV MekPak 3's Marauder having bad torso twist because it was based on the unseen), but waist nonetheless.
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Post by: Maingunnery on 11 July 2019, 17:54:54
I just realized what I would do to the Grendel mini.
- Apply an copy of the left-upperarm to the right arm.
- Change the head to bring it more in-line with the Gargoyle and Executioner.
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Post by: Scotty on 11 July 2019, 18:07:21
Uh, the Marauder's unseen image and Project Phoenix version both have waist. Maybe not very twisty one (i recall MWIV MekPak 3's Marauder having bad torso twist because it was based on the unseen), but waist nonetheless.

I have always (and still do, even after this) see two legs connecting to hip joints that but straight from the torso on the original model.  The Project Phoenix one I can sort of see, for some models, but for the rest I'd still call that no waist.

Note: not currently able to view a mini in person.  Most of what I meant applies primarily to the original and not the Phoenix version, in any case.  The Phoenix version has its own problems.
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Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 18:14:52
I have always (and still do, even after this) see two legs connecting to hip joints that but straight from the torso on the original model.  The Project Phoenix one I can sort of see, for some models, but for the rest I'd still call that no waist.
Sarna's pic of original TRO3050 Marauder is pretty illuminating:
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/File:MAD-5D.png
Pretty weird waist to be sure, and perhaps not particularly effective one.

That said, the Marauder is a massive improvement. In retrospect, the original is kinda silly looking.
I've often thought that the Project Phoenix version looks kinda reasonable but it doesn't look like Marauder, but rather as if it were some other 'Mech. Fortunately the new one is awesome.
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Post by: PyreLight on 11 July 2019, 18:17:08
Wait until you people see the new design of Stormcrow. It's bulky as hell and looks a lot like the Nova. I don't like it but Anthony Scroggins think the design works.

I think people need to get used to Scroggins. Less sleekness, more bulkiness seems to be the mantra.
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Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 18:18:50
Wait until you see the new design of Stormcrow. It's bulky as hell and looks a lot like the Nova.
We've seen the Stormcrow already, it is in the first page, the Clan Command Star pic.
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Post by: Scotty on 11 July 2019, 18:26:37
Wait until you people see the new design of Stormcrow. It's bulky as hell and looks a lot like the Nova. I don't like it but Anthony Scroggins think the design works.

I think people need to get used to Scroggins. Less sleekness, more bulkiness seems to be the mantra.

It's less "more bulkiness" and more Mechs having curves that aren't round and edges that aren't literally right angles and points.  If you put a gun to my head and forced me to come up with a single concept that embodies the Clan redesigns, it'd be "late generation fighter jet" and honestly I'm here for it until that train runs out of stops.
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Post by: PyreLight on 11 July 2019, 18:30:50
We've seen the Stormcrow already, it is in the first page, the Clan Command Star pic.

Sorry I meant when you see it properly in terms of perspective. Its arms and hands are incredibly bulky and it looks a lot like the Nova.

It's less "more bulkiness" and more Mechs having curves that aren't round and edges that aren't literally right angles and points.  If you put a gun to my head and forced me to come up with a single concept that embodies the Clan redesigns, it'd be "late generation fighter jet" and honestly I'm here for it until that train runs out of stops.

I get what you're saying, but that's not what I'm talking about. With the Stormcrow it's literally much bigger hands and arms with less sleekness and it looks much more like the Nova.
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Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 18:38:55
If you put a gun to my head and forced me to come up with a single concept that embodies the Clan redesigns, it'd be "late generation fighter jet" and honestly I'm here for it until that train runs out of stops.
"Late generation jet fighter" brings stealth fighters to my mind, and those look very... plain. They do have rounded shapes that are somewhat complex but stealth fighters lack all sorts of greebling these new Clan 'Mechs have.
EDIT Have to say it is really hard to use a single concept for these. I get why one might use "late gen fighter".

Sorry I meant when you see it properly in terms of perspective. Its arms and hands are incredibly bulky and it looks a lot like the Nova.
That does not sound positive to me. The Stormcrow never looked terribly bulky, or even Nova-like (minus overall shape of the legs).
Looks okay in the Command Star pic :/
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Post by: Scotty on 11 July 2019, 18:42:28
It's not a prefect analogy.  The intent to get across was "sleek but not necessarily smooth" and "curved but not necessarily round".  Without the greebly bits and arbitrary panel lines on a number of old designs you could mistake then for balloons.

In the Stormcrow's specific example, if it beefs up to look the part I'm not complaining.
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Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 18:47:21
It's not a prefect analogy.  The intent to get across was "sleek but not necessarily smooth" and "curved but not necessarily round".  Without the greebly bits and arbitrary panel lines on a number of old designs you could mistake then for balloons.
I don't think so... the Star League bubble-balloon-potato designs (ie most of the TRO 3058) do that far more effectively already. Incidentally those belong to the "needs new art" category. Though i suppose extra greebling would improve their looks.
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Post by: SteelRaven on 11 July 2019, 19:09:21
Talk for yourself,

...umm, I am. Why I said 'some of us' and not 'you guys' (sorry I didn't add 'lol' so you would have know I wasn't being too serious.)

I'm I record stating it was criminal that Fasa didn't commission Steve Venture to design every clan mech from 3050 onward. I hated even the idea of a Mad Cat IV, the idea you can improve on perfection until CGL managed to polish it up for TRO: 3145 to be truly worth of it's heritage. In short, I freak'n love the 3050's omnis and that will never change. If this gets new kids to appreciate those same mechs the way I do, I'm all for it!
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Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 19:19:46
I'm I record stating it was criminal that Fasa didn't commission Steve Venture to design every clan mech from 3050 onward. I hated even the idea of a Mad Cat IV, the idea you can improve on perfection until CGL managed to polish it up for TRO: 3145 to be truly worth of it's heritage. In short, I freak'n love the 3050's omnis and that will never change. If this gets new kids to appreciate those same mechs the way I do, I'm all for it!
You love the stats or looks or both?
Just thinking that many later OmniMechs have much, much better configurations and/or base chassis. With new art, they'll be more noticed than they used to, me thinks. Like, take the Huntsman or Grendel, they look kinda terrible (art and mini both) but both are pretty good, their chassis and configs.

Were it not for their looks, i'd ignore many of the original 16. (And i don't even like all of them really, it is just they have that uniform style i appreciate enough to use them.)
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Post by: Reldn on 11 July 2019, 21:07:06
Those 'Mechs are looking incredible. Especially that Executioner!  :drool: Oh, my Wife and wallet are so going to kill me when this Kickstarter hits! *laughs*
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Post by: Bren on 11 July 2019, 22:23:08
Who got to write the novella?
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Post by: Wrangler on 11 July 2019, 22:37:25
Has it been stated how much this thing is?
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Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 22:39:34
Has it been stated how much this thing is?
The base box itself is at $50 backing tier. So retail price is probably around the same.
But this doesn't apparently include shipping.
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Post by: pheonixstorm on 11 July 2019, 22:44:19
6 more days until my CC dies from me trying to throw it at my screen. Sooo much new shiny!

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Post by: Greatclub on 11 July 2019, 23:25:07
I have a couple of metal Grendels (second hand from a lot), so I have some experience with them, and in mine opinion they are Meh in performance (compared to other Clan omnis) and have a forgettable appearance, like the last kid that gets chosen in gym class. Poor Mech, it even gets bullied by Clan Light Mechs.....

Not my experience with them. They have problems facing off against mechs in their mobility tier, and can have trouble earning their points back, but those are hardly unique problems for mechs in this box. But if you want a flanker that the enemy will have a heck of a time killing and with enough firepower it can't be ignored? hard to do better. In almost all ways it compares favourably with the shadow cat. It does better the bigger playing area it has access to, like a lot of fast, longer-range mechs.

Solid alternate configs. I'd like more pulse lasers on a natural jumper like this, but it is entirely understandable why it didn't get them.

[Edit] - My glitch is with the Adder. It pays full BPV for a second PPC it can occasionally use, at a cost for your next turn's mobility (Great cost if you ran)

Not a beginner mech. In fact, it's on a par with the worst of the succession wars for the skill it requires.
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Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 23:37:51
I wish Nova had some of the configs (or similar ones) the Grendel has. Nova has tendency to have really expensive configs (eg Prime), or lackluster ones (eg C).

And chassis vs chassis, the Grendel is certainly super compared to the Shadow Cat. The  Shadow Cat's only advantages are mildly higher top speed when using MASC, and superior payload. But i think the Grendel makes better use of its payload, though there are duds to be sure.
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Post by: Fat Guy on 11 July 2019, 23:49:41
But i think the Grendel makes better use of its payload, though there are duds to be sure.


[cough] C [cough]  One ton of ammo for it's LB 10X (it's only other weapon is a medium laser). And the record sheet defaults it to cluster rounds! (Though you're allowed to change switchable ammo type)
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Post by: Empyrus on 11 July 2019, 23:56:23

[cough] C [cough]  One ton of ammo for it's LB 10X (it's only other weapon is a medium laser). And the record sheet defaults it to cluster rounds! (Though you're allowed to change switchable ammo type)
Me, i'd say clusters are the better option, due to -1 to hit even if average damage is only 6, as that's also 6 headshot or TAC chances. But yeah, it was one that was in my mind.

Note that i'm inclined to consider the Shadow Cat Prime a dud, since the Gauss rifle could be replaced with an ER PPC and all kinds of stuff even after adding heat sinks. Of course there's very few Clan 'Mechs where the Gauss rifle makes more sense than an ER PPC...
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Post by: Sartris on 12 July 2019, 00:08:16
i ran the numbers on Intro Box 2 lances vs Clan box star

by far the easiest setup:
All IS SW stock variants with 3/4 pilots - 12415
Clan Mechs prime config with 4/5 pilots - 12522

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 12 July 2019, 00:54:25
I'd always figured that the Grendel C was what you got when you were being given punishment anti-tank duty.
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Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 12 July 2019, 01:45:09
6 more days until my CC dies from me trying to throw it at my screen. Sooo much new shiny!



36 days - you pay at the end of the campaign.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 12 July 2019, 02:15:34
I'd always figured that the Grendel C was what you got when you were being given punishment anti-tank duty.

Given it's a clan mech, it could also be intended for trials against lesser opponents, or theoretically better ones, because institutionalizing the goal of chasing glory frequently results in intentionally making bad decisions.
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Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 12 July 2019, 05:10:45
I really like the redesigns of all the new Clan Mechs, and I think the inclusion of the waist on the Nova is great, it makes the Mech look more like a combat machine rather than a backyard hobby kit.
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Post by: Mindwiper on 12 July 2019, 05:40:20
Interesting how different the new designs can be received. My first impression of the 3d renders was: Whooo, greeeaat!!
Now, after looking closer, I can't really stand or just like them anymore.
They are too close to the MWO brickcommander mechs.
With all their platings and bloated up bodies and limps they give an impression of an athlete who stopped training after he retired (Maradonna anyone?). They got the fatcure. Where is the agility feeling? 

Hopefully the real plastics will be a bit more slender. For now they look like toys for hands of a 3-6 year old.
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Post by: mbear on 12 July 2019, 08:31:27
I keep throwing my wallet at my screen, but it's not working.

You're doing it wrong. You turn on the webcam and hold the credit card up to it.*  ;)

I'm not one to get too worked up about Battletech miniature scaling issues; I made peace with that forever ago.  And, being a relatively technical person, I can tell the difference between two sizes of pictures from the bases.  :P

I'm just wondering how the Nova got so thick.  Compare to the old art:

(http://www.masterunitlist.info/Image/RenderImage?width=300&height=400&file=https%3A%2F%2Fs3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com%2Fmul-images%2FBattleMechs%2FBlack%20Hawk%20(Nova).png)

See how skinny those limbs are?  Even accounting for extra midsection (hips! Yay!), this new render's been hittin' the gym.

Exactly. The Nova had to beef up its legs to support the new stronger torso. (Muscle is denser, and thus heavier.) Then it had to increase the arm workout because symmetry is desirable.

One friend of mine always thought the T-Wolf limbs looked week for a 75 tone monster, I'm sure this will shut him up.

What's he complaining about? 75 tones gives you fifteen pentatonic octaves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentatonic_scale) of firepower!



*This is a joke. Please nobody do this.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Nastyogre on 12 July 2019, 09:56:40
The IS mechs look really nice, perhaps a bit chunky. The Clan mechs moreso.

Art evolves and in many ways Battletech is just as much about the art of the models as it is about the mechanics of the game and the story of the fictional universe.

Looking at other miniature companies. GW focuses heavily on the art. Hell their terminators couldn't actually fit in the armor unless wearing terminator armor moves your shoulders 6 or 12 inches upward. But they look cool so, they go with it.

Privateer Press has a number of models that just look cool or are entirely impractical.

Battletech's art and Iron Wind Metal's figures have evolved too. Away from Robotech and Crusher Joe material and inspired looks, to what we see today. In between was an anime influenced period that I call the "Gun Tumor" phase. Where the mechs looked pretty bad (in my opinion) and only the "rule of cool" could justify barrels so exposed, oversized and prevalent.

Today is a nod to the origins of our beloved game's miniatures and art with a focus on at least the potential for looking "real," or at least possible and modestly rational. These mini's certainly have some compromises to make them miniatures and not just art or 3D models.

The "MWO look" is the beginning of this renaissance in Btech art and so you see some strong similarities. Of course, because some of those artists are the same (I think) you would expect that.

Now what bothers me is that with a few exceptions, I thought I was done buying models for several years. I have precisely what I want to make up the units I envision. Yes the odd miniature is coming and a new book will come out that I might want. Now I have to work these in. What a TERRIBLE BURDEN! ::)

I will back this if for no other reason than to support the game I love. I say that and I really dislike some of the plot choices in the last say 20 years (Jihad onward) that and the "gun tumor" period almost made me quit.   MWO and Mekwars 3025 brought me back to the hobby. I think this shows there is a chance for Btech to remain viable after old Ogre's like me pass on. So I'll put some money where my all too big a mouth is.  Worse comes to worse, my younger boys will have some plastic robots they can play with. (8 and 9, just a bit too young to play Btech in earnest. Just starting to teach them strategy games)





Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wrangler on 12 July 2019, 11:29:16
When i saw the picture of the 5 Clan Mechs, i thought Adder was a Daishi from the angle (before i read what it was.)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 12 July 2019, 11:31:48
yeah, same. i did go back and look at the daishi render and there will be no mistaking them for each other on the table. the daishi will be a big boy.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 12 July 2019, 12:33:59
I'm really liking the look of all the new sculpts, especially the IS unseen.  However, I intend to purchase the clan box to support the game and community.

Cheers,

Mad
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 12 July 2019, 12:36:13
I'm really liking the look of all the new sculpts, especially the IS unseen.  However, I intend to purchase the clan box to support the game and community.

Cheers,

Mad

Same here. I personally couldn't care less for the Clans, but I know there are people who have been champing at the bit for this product for literally years, so I'd like to do my part to help them out :) Not to mention, i want to get the IS Classics  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Mendrugo on 12 July 2019, 13:37:57
Gotta say, these look far, far better than the blocky, poorly detailed, “shut down in the hangar”-posed CityTech 2E OmniMech sculpts.

I’ll be kicking for at least two sets.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Mindwiper on 12 July 2019, 15:16:21
Quote
hut down in the hangar”-posed CityTech 2E OmniMech sculpts
of course they don't. It's 25 years later. Some progress should be made during this amount of time.  :D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Mendrugo on 12 July 2019, 16:03:23
Injection molding has come further, but did the CityTech sculptor have to connect their arms to their thighs? 

The earlier 3E main box minis were multi-part on sprues and looked substantially better in the same era.  (Though they did meld the Griffin’s arm to its crotch and put the Shadow Hawk’s gun upside down on the wrong side of the backpack)

Just wanted to say that these models have both good tech and good sculpting.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lanothe on 12 July 2019, 19:16:44
 
So excited.
 
 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Ryumyo on 13 July 2019, 02:12:57
Are the Wasp and Rifleman going to be in the Inner Sphere Battle Lance pack? The Phoenix Hawk and the Warhammer are mentioned and it makes sense when compared to the units presented in the 1st - 3rd editions of Battletech. With some of the Unseen issues resolved ( thankfully with HG's suit getting slapped down in court) by the way the Nuseen as a whole for the 14 affected designs look ( hot by the way and a fan of the extra detailwork each Mech has from the updating to the appearances ), the only other units to be done would be the Ost series and the Longbow - OW.

Merely a question on my part and not trying to speculate...

Sartris, what waisted Yeoman fan art do you speak of? I would like to see what it looks like too...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charlie Tango on 13 July 2019, 02:49:58
Are the Wasp and Rifleman going to be in the Inner Sphere Battle Lance pack? The Phoenix Hawk and the Warhammer are mentioned and it makes sense when compared to the units presented in the 1st - 3rd editions of Battletech.

We don't know any announced specifics yet on what is where.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 13 July 2019, 06:35:31
It would be nice if we could get the Phoenix Hawk as well.

Hope they have some sort of KS exclusive or special offer.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DEZOAT on 13 July 2019, 07:21:45
 :D July 13 2019  :drool: :drool: :drool: 4 more days .
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 13 July 2019, 07:25:34
It would be nice if we could get the Phoenix Hawk as well.

Hope they have some sort of KS exclusive or special offer.

fwiw its 3D model appeared on Scroggins' patreon - but that doesn't mean it'll be part of the Kickstarter
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 13 July 2019, 11:21:19
Sartris, what waisted Yeoman fan art do you speak of? I would like to see what it looks like too...

Third result when googling Battletech yeoman

(https://i.imgur.com/RTD3Dn2_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 13 July 2019, 11:29:52
Was meant to be posted in a different thread?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 13 July 2019, 11:35:29
Edit: I didnt notice the thread had jumped a page so I didn’t see the new replies in between. Added quote above for clarity
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Ryumyo on 13 July 2019, 11:36:28
Third result when googling Battletech yeoman

(https://i.imgur.com/RTD3Dn2_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)

Oh, that has a lot of possibilities ( I still have one to build for my Blakists 😈. Someday I'll get it done.  ) ... Thanks Sartris.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 13 July 2019, 11:41:36
I use that picture in my MML images dump for the Yeoman. Dress for the job (or in this case sculpt) you want to have
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 13 July 2019, 11:48:25
Edit: I didnt notice the thread had jumped a page so I didn’t see the new replies in between. Added quote above for clarity

Ah, that makes sense.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 13 July 2019, 13:54:24
That art isn't an improvement. The missile launchers are still ludicrously big. Really, consider the Longbow or Mad Cat and their missile launchers, and all three designs use LRMs.

The Yeoman's design is beyond any redemption.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 13 July 2019, 14:15:25
(https://www.bustedtees.com/images/rendering/renderMockup.cfm?design=3925&offsetx=0&offsety=0&color=a3b3cb&product=male)

Ride into battle with your Yeomans wearing this
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 13 July 2019, 14:20:13
I'll sell Yeoman scrap to Lyrans rather than use them.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 13 July 2019, 17:02:06
Probably a good thing for you it won't be showing up in this kickstarter then

I'd like a crossbow, fenris,  kingfisher, MAYBE a vulture and a huntsman. I'd expect a Kit Fox in there somewhere, that's a Jade Falcon staple.

I'd really like a variant parts sprue in each box. That one is as unlikely as a Yeoman or HellCheese, but I still want them.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 13 July 2019, 17:15:11
Actually, an sprue with various weapon bits would be pretty cool.  I don't see it showing up in the main box since it would only be useful for people with some modeling experience, but I could totally see it as an add on.  Wouldn't even care if it wasn't plastic.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 13 July 2019, 17:47:43
I hope that adding more 'Mechs to the Clan box is a stretch goal, as 5 'Mechs for the cost of the Starter Box is kind of a big ask.

Plus if it goes up to 10 'Mechs then you can play Star v Star right out of the box.

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Phobos101 on 13 July 2019, 21:55:13
I hope that adding more 'Mechs to the Clan box is a stretch goal, as 5 'Mechs for the cost of the Starter Box is kind of a big ask.

Plus if it goes up to 10 'Mechs then you can play Star v Star right out of the box.

BYE

I could be wrong, but I don't think cost has been revealed yet. It would make sense to me that it will be somewhere between AGoAC and the beginner box, closer to the former.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 13 July 2019, 22:27:22
I could be wrong, but I don't think cost has been revealed yet. It would make sense to me that it will be somewhere between AGoAC and the beginner box, closer to the former.

$50 USD for the Clan Box has been officially quoted, so you're right, it is between the $20 USD of the Beginner Box Set and the $60 USD of the AGoAC Box Set, but closer to that latter bigger main box...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 13 July 2019, 22:54:32
Well maybe they'll out the Beginner Box/Game of Armoured Combat on as add-on's for the KS. And the map sheets. :)

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 13 July 2019, 22:58:40
$50 USD for the Clan Box has been officially quoted, so you're right, it is between the $20 USD of the Beginner Box Set and the $60 USD of the AGoAC Box Set, but closer to that latter bigger main box...
High considering it only has 5/8 the minis and we're footing the development costs, but figure that they aren't cutting the profit margin as thin and other factors *Looks at rule 4* and it isn't completely out of line.

Where was that mention, and were there estimates on the lance/star packs?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 13 July 2019, 23:05:09
Bit high considering it only has 5/8 the minis and we're footing the development costs, but figure that they aren't cutting the profit margin as thin and other factors *Looks at rule 4* and it isn't completely out of line.

Where was that mention, and were there estimates on the lance/star packs?

It is mentioned towards the bottom of page 13 of this same thread, Cubby made an official announcement a week out from the beginning of the Kickstarter.

There is no mention of the costs for Lance or Star packs.

Also, for Kickstarter pledgers, that $50 Pledge Level for the Clan Invasion Box *MAY* include other stuff if CGL follows the common Kickstarter theme of adding extra content to the Pledge Levels through the reaching of stretch goals...that also may very well not happen too...either way, I'm comfortable with the price...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 14 July 2019, 03:15:44
Aye same here RE being comfortable with the price. And yeah whilst the lore is 'only' 16 pages. There's so much lore that to include more to give a proper breadth and depth to the setting would require a tome. Folks who are not that aquainted with the setting forget that this game has a greater depth of detail and more bits and bobs than 40k, the lore goes deeper and goes from the most massive of scope down to what hobbies a leader might like to do when not running an interstellar empire.

And compared to say 40k, $50.00 for a box set isn't bad by any standards. With 40k its a case of "I could buy a tank. Or I could use the same money to buy food for a week." if you want to get something like a Monolith or Devilfish or something.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 14 July 2019, 10:15:48
And compared to say 40k, $50.00 for a box set isn't bad by any standards. With 40k its a case of "I could buy a tank. Or I could use the same money to buy food for a week." if you want to get something like a Monolith or Devilfish or something.
Except with a 40K starter box (and the current BTech one for that matter) you can play a game right out of the box.

A Game of Armoured Combat gives you 2 Lances. This box gives you one Star.

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 14 July 2019, 10:23:09
This box gives you one Star.

Well, it is billed as an expansion. It also adds Clan tech, new maps, cardboard markers for additional 'Mechs (like AGOAC), plus it is probably posited as "two lances of the original box vs a star of Clan 'Mechs" (Sartris noted earlier that BV-balanced game with these 'Mechs is quite possible).
Fit reasonably "expansion" styling, i think.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cache on 14 July 2019, 10:24:48
Except with a 40K starter box (and the current BTech one for that matter) you can play a game right out of the box.

A Game of Armoured Combat gives you 2 Lances. This box gives you one Star.
Clans duel. You can't duel with two of five OmniMechs?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: qc mech3 on 14 July 2019, 11:40:28
You should be able to do a trial of position with what's in the box. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 14 July 2019, 12:57:41
important question:  Any early bird bonuses?

Hoping there isn't.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 14 July 2019, 13:11:32
Except with a 40K starter box (and the current BTech one for that matter) you can play a game right out of the box.

A Game of Armoured Combat gives you 2 Lances. This box gives you one Star.

BYE

The Clan box is explicitly being billed as an expansion to the Game of Armoured Combat.  I'd be surprised if the rulebook is standalone.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 14 July 2019, 13:34:26
Quote from: sneak peek post
A Clan Rulebook, expanding on the A Game of Armored Combat rulebook and introducing new rules for the Clans, their OmniMechs, and the high-powered weapons they wield

This is open to interpretation but I’m expecting “here are the stats for these crazy new weapons. Resolve firing as normal on pg XX of the introductory rulebook” along with descriptions of new tech like pulse and lb-x. Also zell rules adapted from tw
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 14 July 2019, 13:36:21
Makes sense. Why include the same rules twice.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 15 July 2019, 01:22:44
important question:  Any early bird bonuses?

Hoping there isn't.
No.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 15 July 2019, 06:32:20
The Clan box is explicitly being billed as an expansion to the Game of Armoured Combat.  I'd be surprised if the rulebook is standalone.
"Thanks for backing our Kickstarter. You will receive the Clan Invasion box within the next 6-18 months. There aren't a complete set of rules in it though, so you won't be able to use it unless you buy all these other almost-always-out-of-stock products!"

Not putting in the basic rules of BTech, which don't take up that much room, doesn't make any sense to me.

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charlie Tango on 15 July 2019, 06:53:47
"Thanks for backing our Kickstarter. You will receive the Clan Invasion box within the next 6-18 months. There aren't a complete set of rules in it though, so you won't be able to use it unless you buy all these other almost-always-out-of-stock products!"

Not putting in the basic rules of BTech, which don't take up that much room, doesn't make any sense to me.

BYE

I don't know of too many other *expansion* sets to a game that also contain the *basic* rules.

Why add the printing cost, weight, etec. for something that 99+% of the people who buy it as an *expansion* don't need?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wrangler on 15 July 2019, 07:22:07
Since there Inner Mechs minis being shown. Does that open the possibly of a additional expansion with those minis?

Personally a lance of IS Mechs vs Clan Star in one box be far more interesting.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lynx on 15 July 2019, 07:41:53
Y'know, given the nature of Kickstarters, aren't we like the Periphery of 3049-50, getting the first looks at the Clans..?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 15 July 2019, 09:25:13
"Thanks for backing our Kickstarter. You will receive the Clan Invasion box within the next 6-18 months. There aren't a complete set of rules in it though, so you won't be able to use it unless you buy all these other almost-always-out-of-stock products!"

Not putting in the basic rules of BTech, which don't take up that much room, doesn't make any sense to me.

BYE

Never seen expansions come with rules, example, ROBORALLY expansions:

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1569/roborally-armed-and-dangerous

See pic for the Back of the box stating need to main rules to play.

Also, never seen DLC come with the full game, or back in the day of physical copies, video games with expansion packs, they never came with the full game program. Example:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/615RYP7GP0L.jpg)

Note at the bottom it says: REQUIRES MECHWARRIOR 4: VENGEANCE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 15 July 2019, 09:53:39
X-wing is a good example of a game that revolves entirely around expansions. With no basic rules. Of course, it shares something with collectible games i suppose.

There are also many, many board games where expansions are not standalone. Carcassonne comes to mind first.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 15 July 2019, 10:02:17
Carcassonne comes to mind first.

Now I just want a Battletech reskin of Carcassonne...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 15 July 2019, 10:13:26
Imagine a Castle Brian as pretty as Carcassonne... :drool:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SteelRaven on 15 July 2019, 10:50:41
You can download the Quick Start Rules for free from the front page. Speaking as someone who has played this game when they where flat broke, it's much more accessible than many other table tops.

Up untill now, the demand has been for good plastic Minis and map packs because allot of the other stuff has been available for awhile.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Scotty on 15 July 2019, 10:54:05
This is the longest I can remember box sets lasting (still being available this long after launch) in 10 years and there are more print runs coming when these run out.

Two years ago "almost always out of stock" was accurate; it isn't now and I doubt it will be going forward.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 15 July 2019, 10:58:36
"Thanks for backing our Kickstarter. You will receive the Clan Invasion box within the next 6-18 months. There aren't a complete set of rules in it though, so you won't be able to use it unless you buy all these other almost-always-out-of-stock products!"

Not putting in the basic rules of BTech, which don't take up that much room, doesn't make any sense to me.

BYE

Which, if you did any digging is a flat out falsehood and misrepresentation.  First, ALL of the main line rulebooks I am aware of are available as PDFs- I own a physical copy of TW but within the last few months broke down to buy TM, TacOps and . . . hm, not sure I bought StratOps but I have Campaign Ops as PDFs.  CGL has also recently announced a effort to keep print runs of the core rulebooks more frequently- Total Warfare came out with a retro cover (however you feel about that), not sure about TacOps, and Tech Manual just came out with its own new cover.

Second, as mentioned there are free versions of the rules available on the website that cover a very basic simple set of rules.  Its hard to imagine someone could get those rules, comfortable enough playing with them to look for expansion, and be unable to make the leap to Clan & SL gear rules.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 15 July 2019, 11:00:45
I'll sell Yeoman scrap to Lyrans rather than use them.

Did you get the introductory overview (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,55781.0.html)?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 15 July 2019, 12:48:26
I'm getting excited for Wednesday! Is it poor form to say, "woooo-woooooooooo?"
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 15 July 2019, 13:06:30
I'm getting excited for Wednesday! Is it poor form to say, "woooo-woooooooooo?"

Yes -- it should be all caps to be a regulation WOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  ;D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 15 July 2019, 14:15:53
Did you get the introductory overview (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,55781.0.html)?
Yeah, read that.
Indeed i got a comment in that thread too.
Though for some reason i've suggested a variant instead of just scrapping the thing right away.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: carlisimo on 15 July 2019, 16:33:30
Actually, an sprue with various weapon bits would be pretty cool.  I don't see it showing up in the main box since it would only be useful for people with some modeling experience, but I could totally see it as an add on.  Wouldn't even care if it wasn't plastic.

If this were a higher-budget game, I’d expect plastic omnimechs to come with little holes in the arms and shoulders for magnets that allowed easy weapon swapping.  Then we’d get plastic weapon pods and Battletech would become more hobby-oriented than it has been in the past.

A small proportion of players will start cutting up the plastic mechs and pinning 3d-printed weapon pods onto them.  If IWM helps out… I’m not sure how well metal parts will work on lightweight, easily-toppleable plastic mechs. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 15 July 2019, 16:37:28
They ought to work just fine with the integrated bases.  The real question is whether or not they fit the mini correctly.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 15 July 2019, 19:23:03
I am so incredibly hyped  :D :D

Hope this sells well. I have to say that it looks really, really good from a visual and marketing standpoint.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 15 July 2019, 20:13:56
Leave the poor Yeoman alone. It's adorable!  ;D


I guess we're not getting any more previews before the KS launch?

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: mmmpi on 15 July 2019, 20:16:11
No kidding about the Yeoman.  Let it alone.

It's the Colonel's future Son-in-Law's ride!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 15 July 2019, 20:51:43
Gladiator (Executioner) Roundtable

Get up close and personal with this 360-degree look at the new Gladiator (Executioner) OmniMech. The BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter launches THIS Wednesday at 1 p.m. EST / 10 p.m. PST.

https://youtu.be/GGe3ZLtQa9o

(https://i.ibb.co/B4RP4tS/Executioner.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gvC7v3B)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 15 July 2019, 21:11:03
That is one sexy omnimech.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 15 July 2019, 21:16:14
Damn
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 15 July 2019, 21:18:13
Just realised that that's 3am Thursday morning for me.

Damn...  :(

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Scotty on 15 July 2019, 21:24:13
Just realised that that's 3am Thursday morning for me.

Damn...  :(

BYE

Good news!  I really, really doubt there's going to be a "first four hours" prize for the month+ long kickstarter.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 15 July 2019, 21:27:22
Good news!  I really, really doubt there's going to be a "first four hours" prize for the month+ long kickstarter.

You're right.

There'll be a first hour reward.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Reldn on 15 July 2019, 21:28:34
Yep, definitely gonna need a Trinary of these for reasons. So far of the minis for the Clan side of things, the Executioner is one of my favorite of the redesigns. Now to see about the Mad Dog redesign in miniature format. :drool:

Come on Wednesday!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: cawest on 15 July 2019, 21:43:35
I just want the novel and the mins.  I hope that this will be an option.  I do not need the whole box set.  i hope the add-ons will have more machines. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 15 July 2019, 23:25:13
I just want the novel and the mins.  I hope that this will be an option.  I do not need the whole box set.  i hope the add-ons will have more machines.
Almost certainly not an option, due to the weird IP rights... mess
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: General308 on 15 July 2019, 23:31:08
Almost certainly not an option, due to the weird IP rights... mess

Well since we already know they can do lance packs we know they could.  Rather they will or not who knows
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SteelRaven on 15 July 2019, 23:34:09
You're right.

There'll be a first hour reward.

*Looks at work schedule*

... you guys really didn't need to give me a anouther reason to hate my job, my co-workers are already doing a fine jobs with that.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 15 July 2019, 23:51:58
Well since we already know they can do lance packs we know they could.  Rather they will or not who knows

The lance packs had alpha strike stuff bundled with them. They were alpha strike expansions, from a legal perspective, that just happened to be mostly minis.

IWM can do just the minis. CGL can't, as I understand it.

Blame 2001 Weisman.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: General308 on 16 July 2019, 00:06:03
The lance packs had alpha strike stuff bundled with them. They were alpha strike expansions, from a legal perspective, that just happened to be mostly minis.

IWM can do just the minis. CGL can't, as I understand it.

Blame 2001 Weisman.

Except they have done minis and in two days are doing a kickstarter with minis.  Remember they have shown not just the box set but lance packs as well.  I honestly don't think any of us knows what is or is not the extent of there license.   But here you go but the minis from the box set in a lance or star pack which we know they can do because they have and problem solved.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 16 July 2019, 00:17:36
You're right.

There'll be a first hour reward.

I'm glad that Wednesday is a day I have off.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: tapdancingbeavers on 16 July 2019, 02:42:17
You're right.

There'll be a first hour reward.

So the first hour reward isn't an "early bird bonus" as below?  ???

important question:  Any early bird bonuses?

Hoping there isn't.

No.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 16 July 2019, 02:57:28
Now I'm gonna be sitting poised to launch myself at it when it launches. What time does it launch GMT?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: I am Belch II on 16 July 2019, 04:49:43
It looks pretty awesome, cant wait.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 16 July 2019, 05:01:06
So the first hour reward isn't an "early bird bonus" as below?  ???
He was being facetious.

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 16 July 2019, 05:23:26
Now I'm gonna be sitting poised to launch myself at it when it launches. What time does it launch GMT?

5PM or thereabouts.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SCC on 16 July 2019, 05:57:11
That would be about 3 AM in Australia, right?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 16 July 2019, 06:06:00
That would be about 3 AM in Australia, right?

1 AM in Perth, 2.30 in Darwin and 3 in Brisbane, I think.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: tapdancingbeavers on 16 July 2019, 06:12:04
He was being facetious.

BYE

That was my initial thought but i still think the post could do with clarification.  Maybe it's not a thing Kickstarter does but it put doubt in my mind at least.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SCC on 16 July 2019, 06:27:32
1 AM in Perth, 2.30 in Darwin and 3 in Brisbane, I think.
Melbourne. Given the weather we get here I don't think you'd ever want to have a 'Mech fight here.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lynx on 16 July 2019, 06:45:08
So, for just for completeness, we currently know of these Clan mechs, yes?
MechTonnage
Koshi25
Puma35
Grendel45
Shadow Cat45
Black Hawk50
Ryoken55
Nova Cat70
Thor70
Mad Cat75
Masakari85
Gladiator95
Daishi100

Also, IS side of things, including the two currently available boxes.
MechTonnage
Locust20
Stinger20
Commando25
Valkyrie30
Phoenix Hawk45
Griffin55
Shadow Hawk55
Wolverine55
Catapult65
Thunderbolt65
Archer70
Warhammer70
Marauder75
Awesome80
Battlemaster85
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 16 July 2019, 07:40:09
That would be about 3 AM in Australia, right?

Eastern Coast will be 3am and Western Coast will be 1am...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 16 July 2019, 07:42:10
Thanks for the Sneak Peek of the Executioner, Cubby, it looks awesome!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SteelRaven on 16 July 2019, 08:24:13
He was being facetious.

BYE

I just had a really bad day at work and had to take a jab at my co-workers, even if none of them visit this site.

I'll visit the Kickstarter we I can. Mean time, back to the coal mine.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 16 July 2019, 08:43:20
Wednesday can't come fast enough. The new sculpts just look fabulous.

*looks at new Executioner*

I'll take a trinary please.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DEZOAT on 16 July 2019, 09:01:52
 :D  ONE MORE TO GO UNTIL THIS KICKSTARTER STARTS. :drool: :drool: :drool: So it starts at 1:00pm ET Wednesday July 17 2019. I can't wait.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 16 July 2019, 09:45:50
So the first hour reward isn't an "early bird bonus" as below?  ???

No, we planned to have worms but Ray went fishing....
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Simonsays3 on 16 July 2019, 10:00:05
As a newbie who has no idea what he's talking about, what are the odds of this new kickstarter including my most favorite mech of all, the Uziel? while the IW versions are fine, getting them in beautiful plastic would be just the best :)

It's the mech that got me interested in the universe and even if it's just so-so in the game, I'll pledge whatever I need to pledge to get that model realized.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 16 July 2019, 10:02:41
As a newbie who has no idea what he's talking about, what are the odds of this new kickstarter including my most favorite mech of all, the Uziel? while the IW versions are fine, getting them in beautiful plastic would be just the best :)

It's the mech that got me interested in the universe and even if it's just so-so in the game, I'll pledge whatever I need to pledge to get that model realized.

With he caveat that I have no inside info, I'd put the odds of the Uziel being in the list of minis to produce as basically nil.  It's from a good 10 in-universe years after the setting of the Clan Invasion box set and doesn't fit the idiom of the minis we do know are coming.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Crackerb0x on 16 July 2019, 10:04:35
Sorry, bud. Zero. The Uziel is outside of the scope of this project because of how new it is in universe. it wouldn't really fit along side the other models in the boxed set.

On the bright side, the metal sculpt is very very good!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 16 July 2019, 10:12:30
As a newbie who has no idea what he's talking about, what are the odds of this new kickstarter including my most favorite mech of all, the Uziel? while the IW versions are fine, getting them in beautiful plastic would be just the best :)

It's the mech that got me interested in the universe and even if it's just so-so in the game, I'll pledge whatever I need to pledge to get that model realized.

I like the Uziel as well, I think I have two . . . three? now.

IF it was to appear, having in now way any official link to the company (notice, no Beemer!), you would find the Uziel a possible entry for a FedCom Civil War Expansion Box.  And IMO it would make good sense for it to appear there as a popular video game cross over.  Such a product is probably 2 years out.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Simonsays3 on 16 July 2019, 10:16:44
Well that is hugely disappointing. Still stoked for the set but did not realize the Uziel was that far removed from the invasion timeline.

Definitely appreciate the tip on IWM, though that wouldn't be my preference. Metal models are my least favorite kind of mini - between the pinning and the temperamental priming it always seems to take more work to get them finished. Cannot over-emphasize how much I appreciated the ease in getting the AGOAC set from the box to the table fully painted.

I guess I'll have to hope this KS does well enough that we can get into the next era.

 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Scotty on 16 July 2019, 10:47:19
The new Uziel from IWM is one of their best minis to date.  I love plastic minis and am merely "okay" with metal, but it's one of my favorite as is.

The new one, not the old one.  The old one is a frog.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 16 July 2019, 11:06:24
The old Uziel has very weak ankles. One of them broke in its case, just from moving around.

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 16 July 2019, 11:14:37
The new Uziel from IWM is one of their best minis to date.  I love plastic minis and am merely "okay" with metal, but it's one of my favorite as is.

The new one, not the old one.  The old one is a frog.

so that's why i subconsciously chose green/brown camo for the original sculpt

The old Uziel has very weak ankles. One of them broke in its case, just from moving around.

BYE

the uziel and chimera are charter members of the Chronic Ankle Instability gang.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 16 July 2019, 11:48:44
He was being facetious.

BYE

EDIT: Checking, I may be working off of outdated information.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 16 July 2019, 11:57:29
*mutters while making a note* check in at noon . . . roger!

Simon, I bought one of the older sculpt built Uziel 8S and just bought a -2S because that is the one I really like, it was not until I got it home that I noticed the new -2S is significantly beefier.  I have not pulled it out of the blister yet, but I think its a LOT bigger than the previous one.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 16 July 2019, 11:59:40
It is.  The 2S and 8S sculpts are significantly beefier than the original.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 16 July 2019, 12:25:36
Hm, I would swear I have a 8S on the old model, have to compare them when I get home.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 16 July 2019, 12:37:40
EDIT: Checking, I may be working off of outdated information.

Could you clarify?  First you said there was no early bird specials, but then you implied theres something for backing during the first hour. This is confusing. ??? I'd really hate to miss out on something cool just because i can't afford to take a day off from work.

And to further confuse me, what the post said and what I got when I hit the quote button are too different things. :o
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 16 July 2019, 13:08:27
Could you clarify?  First you said there was no early bird specials, but then you implied theres something for backing during the first hour. This is confusing. ???

Ray said there were no early bird specials, not Cubby.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 16 July 2019, 14:05:48
Ray said there were no early bird specials, not Cubby.

Woops, my bad.

Still though, conflicting messages from grey beemers.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: nckestrel on 16 July 2019, 14:10:30
Woops, my bad.

Still though, conflicting messages from grey beemers.

Cubby is aware it is conflicting and is checking.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 16 July 2019, 14:17:14
There are no early bird specials.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: worktroll on 16 July 2019, 14:54:21
Given it's the 17th already here, Aussies and Kiwis should have scooped the non-existant early bird specials ;)

CURSE YOU, INTERNATIONAL RESCUE DATELINE!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 16 July 2019, 15:36:35
Our friends Mitch and Jordan at Harebrained Schemes prepared a special video of support (https://youtu.be/PmrBusbPTW0) for our upcoming Clan Invasion Kickstarter, launching tomorrow!

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 16 July 2019, 15:45:04
There are no early bird specials.

you don't even get your money taken first
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 16 July 2019, 15:46:12
Will the site on Kickstarter go up before the campaign goes live, so we can be logged in and ready to go?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charlie 6 on 16 July 2019, 15:48:36
Will the site on Kickstarter go up before the campaign goes live, so we can be logged in and ready to go?
Yes, this can be helpful.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 16 July 2019, 15:54:41
to do list tonight . . .
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: faithless on 16 July 2019, 16:04:45
to do list tonight . . .

Make sure you get some sleep lol.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 16 July 2019, 16:21:24
eh . . . 4 the night before, 3-ish last night . . . I just need to figure out how to log in tonight so I can jump in when its live.  Any record goals for a project our size we should aim for?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 16 July 2019, 16:27:29
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/022/818/I_have_3_dollars.jpg)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 16 July 2019, 17:27:38
Our friends Mitch and Jordan at Harebrained Schemes prepared a special video of support (https://youtu.be/PmrBusbPTW0) for our upcoming Clan Invasion Kickstarter, launching tomorrow!

That's extremely neat.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 16 July 2019, 17:42:27
Our friends Mitch and Jordan at Harebrained Schemes prepared a special video of support (https://youtu.be/PmrBusbPTW0) for our upcoming Clan Invasion Kickstarter, launching tomorrow!

LoL

I remember the "Dirty Filthy Cheating Clanners" Master & Minions battle with Mitch and Jordan a few years ago...Mitch & jordan's Axeman/hatchetman and two other IS mechs versus 4 Nova Cats...so much butt-hurt!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: faithless on 16 July 2019, 17:47:27
LoL

I remember the "Dirty Filthy Cheating Clanners" Master & Minions battle with Mitch and Jordan a few years ago...Mitch & jordan's Axeman/hatchetman and two other IS mechs versus 4 Nova Cats...so much butt-hurt!


I was fortunate enough to paint Jordan's mini's for that game in Team Banzai colors. I had a nice chat with them during.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 16 July 2019, 18:50:29

I was fortunate enough to paint Jordan's mini's for that game in Team Banzai colors. I had a nice chat with them during.

Then you remember Jordan falling in a heap at my feet from his Failed DFA and cooking off his ammo with a self-imposed Critical hit.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Crimson Dynamo on 16 July 2019, 22:45:47
Well these all look fantastic. I'm realizing I've yet to get any of the new plastic miniatures from the two recent boxes. I'll have to solve that as I wait for a chance to help fund this project.

I'm here for those gorgeous OmniMechs, mainly. Gonna be time for the Smoke Jaguars to ride again.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: tapdancingbeavers on 16 July 2019, 22:55:25
EDIT: Checking, I may be working off of outdated information.

There are no early bird specials.

Thank you for the clarification.  I figured it was worth asking.  :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: faithless on 16 July 2019, 23:09:00
Then you remember Jordan falling in a heap at my feet from his Failed DFA and cooking off his ammo with a self-imposed Critical hit.

I remember some failure lol. The next year I played him and AJ. My fellow minions softened him up and I was able to head cap his Hellstar.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 17 July 2019, 02:04:03
(https://i.imgur.com/EdA5USG.jpg)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 17 July 2019, 03:06:27
10 hours to go.

Really hope the current two starter boxes and new map sets are add-ons. :)

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 04:18:02
Why would they be add ons?  You can go buy them right now.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 17 July 2019, 04:42:31
A lot of Kickstarters put in existing products as add-ons, sometimes things from previous Kickstarters and other times standard products they already sell.

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SCC on 17 July 2019, 05:16:28
Why would they be add ons?  You can go buy them right now.
Bundled shipping? Limited run product?

In a case like this one, well people always complain about faction dice being GenCon only, this could be a way around that.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lynx on 17 July 2019, 05:20:35
A lot of Kickstarters put in existing products as add-ons, sometimes things from previous Kickstarters and other times standard products they already sell.
Pros and Cons in this case. While inclusion of existing boxes would help to drive up the pledges (and hence the optics of a successful Kickstarters -- again, pros and cons on that one), the boxes have to come out of stock, which depletes the availability to stores (and hence outreach). Unless intent is to make a special run of the two boxes for this KS.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 17 July 2019, 05:30:45
Boxes wouldn't need to come from stock as they wouldn't need to ship until everything else is ready. People putting them as add-ons could even help hone in on required numbers. :)

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 17 July 2019, 05:50:26
Bundled shipping? Limited run product?

In a case like this one, well people always complain about faction dice being GenCon only, this could be a way around that.

It's no indicator that it will happen this time, but the Sprawl Ops Kickstarter had a selection of Shadowrun rulebooks, board games, and merch as options in the backerkit.  This wasn't made known before the backerkit went live.  So if it is the case for this campaign, we won'd know for a couple of months.

As as usual, this pose is entirely speculation, and contains no insider information
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SCC on 17 July 2019, 05:56:31
As as usual, this pose is entirely speculation, and contains no insider information
That's a very funny typo.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 17 July 2019, 05:57:28
What, you don't have a speculative pose?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SCC on 17 July 2019, 06:41:23
It's more a a pose is a stance, a position, so it kinda fits.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 17 July 2019, 07:54:19
What, you don't have a speculative pose?

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/6f9c947321f4fce8290ef393b913cfee/tumblr_inline_od8fi2f8SA1rwqb8i_540.png)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RomulusDC on 17 July 2019, 08:01:40
What time does it go live?  It’s 5 am and I can’t believe I woke up to check this.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wolf72 on 17 July 2019, 08:03:52
What time does it go live?  It’s 5 am and I can’t believe I woke up to check this.

0800 on east coast ... was looking too.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 17 July 2019, 08:06:24
What time does it go live?  It’s 5 am and I can’t believe I woke up to check this.

1PM PST
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RomulusDC on 17 July 2019, 08:19:16
Thank you. I can chill for a bit
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SteelRaven on 17 July 2019, 08:30:15
I'll check on my lunch break.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: nckestrel on 17 July 2019, 08:41:54
Quote
The BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter goes live next Wednesday, July 17 at 1 p.m. Eastern / 10 a.m. Pacific!

Last line of
https://bg.battletech.com/news/sneak-peek-battletech-clan-invasion-boxed-set-contents/
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: I am Belch II on 17 July 2019, 09:00:59
Getting ready
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RomulusDC on 17 July 2019, 09:02:38
I prepped the new employee I’m orienting today that I may be a bit distracted. Gonna be tough to keep my finger off F5 once I’ve signed up and dumped in my initial investment to see if we hit any stretch goals today.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Foxx Ital on 17 July 2019, 09:28:50
Working a night shift so I don't get to time warp. Been having the little kid the night before Christmas feeling for over 12 hours.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 17 July 2019, 09:49:03
Tad over 3 hours now. Why can't it be 1 already!!!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 17 July 2019, 09:59:49
So there's no Kickstarter page for this yet?

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 10:08:21
(https://i.imgur.com/5T7jKrm.jpg)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 17 July 2019, 10:16:02
So there's no Kickstarter page for this yet?

BYE

the page won't be visible until it goes live.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: .RL on 17 July 2019, 10:19:06
Will the direct link be posted here? or should we search on kickstarter?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: TS_Hawk on 17 July 2019, 10:22:05
Will the direct link be posted here? or should we search on kickstarter?

There should be one here posted by somebody when it goes live. But Kickstarter will also have it as well.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 17 July 2019, 10:22:49
Will the direct link be posted here? or should we search on kickstarter?

I can't imagine them not linking the page here.

This is the first time participating in a kickstarter. First time I've truly wanted to join in, actually. Hard to believe I'm sitting here like a kid on Christmas morning waiting impatiently to open my presents.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 17 July 2019, 10:26:58
And today Battletech fans learn how it feels for Reaper fans...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Foxx Ital on 17 July 2019, 10:31:22
And today Battletech fans learn how it feels for Reaper fans...

 Not our first time spamming F5 for a battletech product 😉. Just got off work, decided to go to a local diner and drink coffee and eat breakfast while I wait. When it goes live I'll have just enough time before the coffee crash to throw money.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 17 July 2019, 10:34:15
2.5hrs to go, but it's 12:30am and I have work in the morning.

Have fun kids. I'll rejoin you in a few hours.  :D

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 10:45:39
I'll be posting links to the KS in this thread, in new releases, on all CGL/BT social media platforms, and on the main website.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 10:48:25
F5 . . .
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 17 July 2019, 10:50:42
F5 . . .

... to pay respects.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Hythos on 17 July 2019, 11:04:42
Internetz pro-tip:Create (or validate) your KickStarter account sooner than the "go live" timeframe so you don't have to juggle the log-in at that time when it does.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 17 July 2019, 11:05:53
I've been logged in and sporadically refreshing the Catalyst page on Kickstarter for the last hour. :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 17 July 2019, 11:20:08
Just remember everyone, while it's fun to get caught up and want to pledge and everything quickly, no money changes hands until the end of the campaign, so there's plenty of time to peruse the page, figure out what you can afford, and go on from there.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 17 July 2019, 11:26:22
And when deciding what you can afford, remember: Toilet paper is expensive. Real warriors use pinecones. :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 17 July 2019, 11:35:07
And when deciding what you can afford, remember: Toilet paper is expensive. Real warriors use pinecones. :)

Pinecones are Sphereoid decadance!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 11:37:36
Just remember everyone, while it's fun to get caught up and want to pledge and everything quickly, no money changes hands until the end of the campaign, so there's plenty of time to peruse the page, figure out what you can afford, and go on from there.

Just want to highlight this.

Look, there's a lot to grok on this page, with a lot of levels already shown and more to come. Take your time, and ask any questions you might have in the KS comments page. (Or here, if need be, but the KS page might be more helpful to others!)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 17 July 2019, 11:48:46
Not having done a kickstarter, if I pledge, say, $20 can I later up that to, say, $1,000,000?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 17 July 2019, 11:50:10
Not having done a kickstarter, if I pledge, say, $20 can I later up that to, say, $1,000,000?

I believe that is exactly what the pledge manager function is for, yes.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 17 July 2019, 11:50:19
... to pay respects.

And to move legs

and to speak

and to throw head

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibu5YE83zEg

&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDWbN6MYsaY
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Luciora on 17 July 2019, 11:52:08
Man, I start work at 10am.  Wonder if my boss wouldn't mint a 5 minute late punch hahah.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 11:53:16
Not having done a kickstarter, if I pledge, say, $20 can I later up that to, say, $1,000,000?

Or the reverse.

But yes, I believe that's the case.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: trboturtle on 17 July 2019, 11:54:10
Not having done a kickstarter, if I pledge, say, $20 can I later up that to, say, $1,000,000?

Yes, but it has to be real money -- they frown upon you pledging Monoply money......

Craig
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 17 July 2019, 11:54:38
Not having done a kickstarter, if I pledge, say, $20 can I later up that to, say, $1,000,000?

You can raise, lower, (and I think cancel and reinstate) your pledge as often as you like during the campaign.  And as ActionButler notes, the Pledge Manager/Backerkit that will open after the campaign ends will let you pay more in if you want/need to.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 17 July 2019, 11:58:02
Yes, but it has to be real money -- they frown upon you pledging Monoply money......

Craig


What about those cool replica Imperial coins from the old Star Wars Monopoly set? How do we think they feel about those?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 17 July 2019, 11:58:52
I'm hoping for a spike in the value of Bitcoin in about 30 days time...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 17 July 2019, 11:59:44
Note: Spiking your pledge really high to unlock stretch goals and then reducing afterwards is an incredibly bad thing to do. Not only is it a jerk move, but you could feasibly disrupt the entire kickstarter by making the company pledge to do something and then deny them the money they need to actively do it.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 17 July 2019, 12:05:36
Note: Spiking your pledge really high to unlock stretch goals and then reducing afterwards is an incredibly bad thing to do. Not only is it a jerk move, but you could feasibly disrupt the entire kickstarter by making the company pledge to do something and then deny them the money they need to actively do it.

Indeed. Pledge what you can afford. Don't be that guy/girl/*insert gender here*
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 17 July 2019, 12:12:32
Gonna take a looong lunch.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 17 July 2019, 12:14:19
Note: Spiking your pledge really high to unlock stretch goals and then reducing afterwards is an incredibly bad thing to do. Not only is it a jerk move, but you could feasibly disrupt the entire kickstarter by making the company pledge to do something and then deny them the money they need to actively do it.

I'm reasonably sure you didn't used to be able to de-pledge enough to reduce below a goal level. Has that changed?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DEZOAT on 17 July 2019, 12:27:28
 ;D Today is the day  40 minute to go. Well I' m Kickstarter vet here. I got burned  :bang: by one which was my first one. Done 3 CAV they deliver if China don't jack them in production. The others so I 'm some what happy so far. I' am not a superbacker that for sure. Start out small and see what happen and DON'T GO CRAZY WITH THE MONEY. Relax ride it out. So it begin we see what happen.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 17 July 2019, 12:28:28
I'm reasonably sure you didn't used to be able to de-pledge enough to reduce below a goal level. Has that changed?

Can't say, as I've never tried to do it.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 12:32:55
So is it just me, or are we 28 minutes from Kickstarter time?  My boss just asked me why I have my credit card out on my desk!  :drool:

Cheers,

Mad
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 17 July 2019, 12:33:41
Note: Spiking your pledge really high to unlock stretch goals and then reducing afterwards is an incredibly bad thing to do. Not only is it a jerk move, but you could feasibly disrupt the entire kickstarter by making the company pledge to do something and then deny them the money they need to actively do it.

Also a good way to get banned from kickstarter.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: sadlerbw on 17 July 2019, 12:54:03
We have exceeded most values for "Soon" and are rapidly approaching unity with "Now"...I have commenced F5-ing my Kickstarter search for "Battletech".
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 12:54:26
5 minutes . . .
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 17 July 2019, 12:57:37
Can't say, as I've never tried to do it.

A minimal amount of research on my part turned up Confrontation – Classic, which managed to end with ~2/3 the pledge money it initially gained. Looking at the goals and the cash they have to achieve them, I can see why.

That said, I'm fairly sure somebody tried that in an early reaper kickstarter and couldn't retract the money (My heart bleeds.) 

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DEZOAT on 17 July 2019, 12:58:03
 :o EVERYONE PLEASE relax it just Battletech Clan box set.  8)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 17 July 2019, 12:59:05
I'll relax when Marauders are in my hand!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 17 July 2019, 12:59:38
30 seconds... lol
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: sadlerbw on 17 July 2019, 13:00:02
Nevermind.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 13:00:04
The invasion is here - the BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is now LIVE!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/battletech-clan-invasion (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/battletech-clan-invasion)

(https://i.ibb.co/KDYZnGq/BT-Kickstarter-Banner-Graphic-full.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m0mspBq)


Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DEZOAT on 17 July 2019, 13:00:19
 I want my Warhammer
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 13:01:59
lol, 1 minute in- 19% funded!

edit- lol, 2 minutes and watch those numbers wind, 12k+
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RanFelsnerAFFS on 17 July 2019, 13:02:10
Wow...

Anybody in for the Full Kerensky?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 17 July 2019, 13:02:29
It was live before it went live me thinks.. 1:00 and almost $500 pledged
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 17 July 2019, 13:03:07
Backer #63! Woot!


And backed at the $300 Level -So....they shipping out tomorrow...right?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 17 July 2019, 13:03:25
BATTLE ARMOR STRETCH GOOOOOOOOOOOOAL
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 13:03:50
It was live before it went live me thinks.. 1:00 and almost $500 pledged

No, believe it or not. I was on with Randall when he pushed "the Button," it went live at 1 p.m. EST as planned.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 17 July 2019, 13:06:05
Better than halfway already.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: The_Livewire on 17 July 2019, 13:06:09
backer #116, backed at the Bloodnamed level.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 17 July 2019, 13:06:56
Pledged!

Now to go back and see what I pledged for...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 17 July 2019, 13:07:12
Annnnnnnnd, $30,000 breached.

Congratulations, guys!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 17 July 2019, 13:07:33
Catalyst: If you fund in an hour...

Us BT fans: HOLD OUR BEER!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 13:08:01
Like the levels . . .

wow, over $35k in the first 7 minutes- goal hit

Now that I have put my money up I can look at the details, lol
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 17 July 2019, 13:08:14
Pledged!

Now to go back and see what I pledged for...

LoL...that was me, and now I've upped my Pledge...Good thing I did 5 Hours of Overtime last night - That almost paid for it right there!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 17 July 2019, 13:09:23
8 minutes and $45,000
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sharpnel on 17 July 2019, 13:09:39
The goal has already been met. Mainly because it was set too damned low IMO
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: I am Belch II on 17 July 2019, 13:09:59
Made the goal in less than 8 minutes.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: mcjomar on 17 July 2019, 13:10:16
Welp, that's me in.
I'll wait now to see what the stretch goals open up, and what sort of bonus pledge extras there are.
I'm mostly in it for the IS lances, and timberwolf, but the shadowcat is also one I like.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 17 July 2019, 13:10:29
A lot of people were ready to bid, I see.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: sadlerbw on 17 July 2019, 13:10:54
I'm gonna put a pledge in now just to get it in my kickstarter account, but there are some pretty serious 'Whale' options on there that are tempting me. Gonna have to have a chat with the wife this evening!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: I am Belch II on 17 July 2019, 13:11:10
Made the goal in less than 8 minutes.
I was still trying to figure how much to donate....and now I might not have too.
Never been a part of a kick starter.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 17 July 2019, 13:11:56
And that's $60,000 breached.

Those shiny new plastic Elementals will be mine.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 13:12:22
To everyone who has pledged, to everyone who will:

Thank you.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Gigastrike on 17 July 2019, 13:12:26
$95 pledged!  Now to find out what's in it.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 13:12:50
I went with Star Colonel.  Happy to be a part of it all.

Glad I didn't go nuts on Prime day this year.  Also glad I bought my wife a new iPad.   ;)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wrangler on 17 July 2019, 13:13:06
You mean 67,000 now. ;)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RomulusDC on 17 July 2019, 13:13:38
And I’m a Star Colonel
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Garrand on 17 July 2019, 13:14:04
Pledged!

Damon.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 13:14:19
13 minutes in, and I'm pretty sure the goal should have been 90k. 

Catalyst, you cheap date you. 

*Hugs*
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Azakael on 17 July 2019, 13:14:24
Star Captain (bleh, I feel dirty using Clan terminology...) Azakael reporting in.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 13:14:47
Okay, I have to say I really really like the art & layout for the proposal.

So far we are up to Clan Command Star and Elementals . . . 100k for Marauders, woo hoo!

How do I know what backer # I was?  Lol, I want to add it to my sig!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 17 July 2019, 13:15:11
OMG! even though I'm Canadian, so price/goal etc in  Canadian dollars on my Kickstarer, I can't even accurately track the total, as it keeps rolling over. Right now just under $100k Canadian, or around $75k US
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 13:16:21
yall nuts

especially the two people already in for the full kerensky. i have never been more envious in my entire life
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Frabby on 17 July 2019, 13:17:11
Believe it or not, I just found out that my credit card has expired - apparently, when they sent me a new one last year I kept the old one and threw away the new one.  :P

I used credit card a lot for online shopping a while back but switched over to PayPal almost exclusively... so I didn't realize until now that I kept the wrong card. Gah.

31 days left to sort it out.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 17 July 2019, 13:19:27
battle for Tukkayid map pack. Clan homeworld battlemap.

*Images, please*

Lets stop pretending they aren't going to be reached. If the battlemat is breached I might go to star Colonel. *edit - did it.



Mar 2020 is... a bit aggressive as a delivery date. you guys give yourselves any padding for slip, or is that maximal optimism?

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 17 July 2019, 13:19:37
OK, so the Kickstarter page says $105K+ is unknown....Ummm....You guys are almost at $95k....and it is STILL climbing!

Were you prepared for this level of fever?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: sadlerbw on 17 July 2019, 13:20:01
yall nuts

especially the two people already in for the full kerensky. i have never been more envious in my entire life

I am not one of them, but I did just TXT my wife to let her know it was a thing...we will see how she reacts! Khan might be more realistic since I'm usually at Origins or GenCon anyway.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sharpnel on 17 July 2019, 13:20:23
It's gona hit $100K within the next 5 minutes
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 13:21:29
I think most of the design stuff was already in line, indications- TO ME and unofficially- is that they had done all the product development and this was funding the actual production costs.

20 minutes in, 476 backers and $94.5k . . . I feel safe predicting Marauders! . . . 120k, Warhammers?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 17 July 2019, 13:21:39
Marauder is now in
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 13:21:56
Just hit 100K US !

WOOOOOT.  What does that get us?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wrangler on 17 July 2019, 13:22:21
WOW!!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 13:22:25
Just hit 100K US !

WOOOOOT.  What does that get us?

More stretch goals. Working on it.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 17 July 2019, 13:22:29
I'm now in!

And as I type this, it hit 100k! I think there's some excitement about this.

I'm curious about one thing. How do the addons work?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 17 July 2019, 13:22:35
yall nuts

especially the two people already in for the full kerensky. i have never been more envious in my entire life

All the Star Colonel's are taken...so glad I nabbed mine.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: The_Livewire on 17 July 2019, 13:22:59
That Star Colonel sounds tempting, even if it meant another of the Morris bloodline met a bloody end. :-)

I'd need more OT for that though.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 17 July 2019, 13:23:23
Just hit 100K US !

WOOOOOT.  What does that get us?

Marauders. Wasps. Stingers. Archers. They're back!  :drool:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 17 July 2019, 13:24:42
Gotta say, I luv the Idea of the 'BLIND SALVAGE' box :D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 17 July 2019, 13:24:59
Every single stretch goal on this Kickstarter was met in 20 minutes.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 17 July 2019, 13:27:15
Sooo... Next stretch goal for Warhammer, Phoenix Hawk, Wasp, Rifleman?

Does anyone know if new art was ever finished for the Longbow?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 17 July 2019, 13:29:13
MARADAAAAA!!!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 17 July 2019, 13:29:54
Every single stretch goal on this Kickstarter was met in 20 minutes.

Holy cow. Of all the Kickstarters I've been involved with this is the fastest I've ever seen one blow through ALL the stretch goals.  :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dulahan on 17 July 2019, 13:31:17
At this stage I'm hoping a stretch goal is more elementals in the base box.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 13:31:26
Okay, so I am new to this and some of the wording . . .

I grabbed a Star Colonel, so I know that means I will get the Clan box, coin and faction pack . . . then it says 2 Star/Lance packs, but says double too.  Does that mean I get to pick two star packs and then I will get two of each, or does it already include that line?

The dice and lance/star packs in the add-on area have the locked symbols over them.

 . . . holy crap, only 1 Kerensky left?!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Gigastrike on 17 July 2019, 13:31:37
Just hit 100K US !

WOOOOOT.  What does that get us?

I don't know!  But the Inner Sphere Battle Lance has to be up here somewhere!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 13:31:41
I'm proud of the community for meeting the goals.  I think that with so many of us working (and some of us multiple jobs) has the added benefit of allowing us to contribute to a kickstarter. 

Thank you to everyone! 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 17 July 2019, 13:31:44
Great googly moogly!  It was going up so fast I couldn't keep up!  Well done all, well done CGL!!!

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 13:31:56
i want to go at the base level to get the box and a-la-carte everything afterwords but i am also *extremely* tempted by the vanity option of a canon character
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BerserkMech on 17 July 2019, 13:32:27
Holy cow. Of all the Kickstarters I've been involved with this is the fastest I've ever seen one blow through ALL the stretch goals.  :)
Because it's the Clan Invasion of Kickstarter!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: serrate on 17 July 2019, 13:32:35
All the Star Colonel's are taken...so glad I nabbed mine.  :thumbsup:

I thought the only limited one was The Full Kerensky. Everything else looks unlimited as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wildonion on 17 July 2019, 13:33:01
I grabbed a Star Colonel, so I know that means I will get the Clan box, coin and faction pack . . . then it says 2 Star/Lance packs, but says double too.  Does that mean I get to pick two star packs and then I will get two of each, or does it already include that line?

My understanding is that you will get to pick two and those two will be doubled. Probably done just in case the other box(es?) later in the stretch goals don't get unlocked, since there were two that were shown for sure.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 17 July 2019, 13:33:17
We didn't dare refuse THIS Batchal!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 13:33:38
Holy cow. Of all the Kickstarters I've been involved with this is the fastest I've ever seen one blow through ALL the stretch goals.  :)

Not nearly all of them. Many many more coming.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 13:35:04
we just blew through all the gates before they could upload the new image
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 17 July 2019, 13:35:13
I thought the only limited one was The Full Kerensky. Everything else looks unlimited as far as I can tell.

Yeah, I don;t see that Star Col. is limitd either -- which is a good thing, because depending on how my finances are by the end of the Kickstarter, I might go up from Bloodnamed for the 10x Classics and a chance to get a pilot canonized :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: The_Livewire on 17 July 2019, 13:36:02
I do hope my Nova Kitties are one of the challenge coin options.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 17 July 2019, 13:36:17
Okay, so I am new to this and some of the wording . . .

I grabbed a Star Colonel, so I know that means I will get the Clan box, coin and faction pack . . . then it says 2 Star/Lance packs, but says double too.  Does that mean I get to pick two star packs and then I will get two of each, or does it already include that line?

From the Kickstarter:

Quote
DOUBLE FORCES: for every Star Pack or Lance Pack you select as a reward, we will send you a second copy of that item! (Clan Invasion box and add-on purchases do not double.)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 17 July 2019, 13:37:41
Okay, so I am new to this and some of the wording . . .

I grabbed a Star Colonel, so I know that means I will get the Clan box, coin and faction pack . . . then it says 2 Star/Lance packs, but says double too.  Does that mean I get to pick two star packs and then I will get two of each, or does it already include that line?

The dice and lance/star packs in the add-on area have the locked symbols over them.

 . . . holy crap, only 1 Kerensky left?!

If I'm reading it right it doubles the pledge reward, so 2x Star/Lance Packs becomes 4. Add-ons do not double though, only the pledge number. The double forces info is listed in the Bloodnamed pledge.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 17 July 2019, 13:38:24
I thought the only limited one was The Full Kerensky. Everything else looks unlimited as far as I can tell.

Hmmm....I guess it is unlimited when I looked it was the level I backed, not in the lower list, and was sitting at a nice round 60-backers.

Color me embarrassed!  :-[
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ActionButler on 17 July 2019, 13:38:35
I feel like the Full Kerensky should also come with two eggs cooked to your choice, two strips of bacon, and a side of hasbrowns,
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Silverline on 17 July 2019, 13:38:43
Star Captain Silverline is ready to crush some spheroid scum, I'm just waiting eagerly for more stretch goals - I need a Mad Dog in my Trinary!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 17 July 2019, 13:40:06
I feel like the Full Kerensky should also come with two eggs cooked to your choice, two strips of bacon, and a side of hasbrowns,

It's eggs, bacon, porridge, beans, grilled tomato, black pudding, borscht, blinis and vodka, right?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DEZOAT on 17 July 2019, 13:40:26
 :o :o :o Well I'am done now I took Star Colonel package after I change from Bloodnamed. WOW!!! Its over $116,000.00 when I last look. I feel like I was just shot out from under my mech and got ejected . I didn't see this coming I wonder whats going on at Cat lab right now. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Xiwo Xerase on 17 July 2019, 13:40:38
I'm in at Bloodnamed.  I'm still debating going to Star Colonel, although the canon character doesn't interest me too much.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 13:41:16
Ogre, I can read but the line above said 2x which is doubling . . .

How about the Social Media stuff?

140k from 725 people in 35 minutes . . . lol, website says 430+% funded.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 17 July 2019, 13:42:12
Probably hit 175k by or before 2pm EST
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 17 July 2019, 13:43:00
Not nearly all of them. Many many more coming.

Don't stretch too far though, you've done amazing but don't wanna overwork yaselves. But still this is AMAZING! Bloody well done! :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 17 July 2019, 13:43:58
Poor Cubby... by the time he gets the stretch goals updated he will need to update them again lol

And the unlocked goods :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: I am Belch II on 17 July 2019, 13:44:36
Holy hell, that was very quick. Hope to see some good stuff come out of the extra money.  WARSHIPS!!!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 13:46:01
Poor Cubby... by the time he gets the stretch goals updated he will need to update them again lol

And the unlocked goods :thumbsup:

Not me, but yes - the designer is working hard to update the graphic, but y'all keep unlocking stuff.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 17 July 2019, 13:46:14
So...anyone got any pics of Randall, Loren, and Brent at the moment the reality of what was going on dawned on them? :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 13:47:56
So...anyone got any pics of Randall, Loren, and Brent at the moment the reality of what was going on dawned on them? :)

Randall went radio silent with me after about four minutes, so I assume he went immediately into triage mode - I'm focused mostly on the comms channels, trying to keep up with questions and social media.

Fair to say, this...exceeded expectations.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Maingunnery on 17 July 2019, 13:48:19
Is a way to use PayPal with this Kickstarter?
I want to go Bloodnamed with lots of add-ons.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Leftovernoodles on 17 July 2019, 13:48:53
Damnit Cubby!   Did you not trust us?  Why must the stretch goals stop at $105K!   It hasn't even been an hour!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DEZOAT on 17 July 2019, 13:50:45
 Question to Cubby did you think this going happen like this? WOW!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 17 July 2019, 13:51:26
Is a way to use PayPal with this Kickstarter?
I want to go Bloodnamed with lots of add-ons.

I don't know if its direct via KS or not, but I know CMON accepted paypal during the Zombicide Green Horde KS. How they did it I have no idea...

It may be something CGL would have to handle offsite and update ???
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dulahan on 17 July 2019, 13:53:12
I'm honestly not suprised by this at all.  For all there is a vocal group that hates everything to do with the Clans.  I think most people like them well enough, and much like the HBS PC game?  We're at peak nostalgia for people who grew up with Battletech, so people have money to spare and definitely want in on stuff like this!

I wouldn't be shocked if this hit well over a million, or even 2 million by the end.  Maybe a tad surprised at the latter, but not shocked at all.  Especially as new stretch goals add new add-ons for people to throw even more money at.  I mean, I can already say I'll add on a star of elementals at the bare minimum.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DEZOAT on 17 July 2019, 13:55:07
So...anyone got any pics of Randall, Loren, and Brent at the moment the reality of what was going on dawned on them? :)
OH yes we need pics of them when the first  5 minutes of this KS.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 13:55:14
Damnit Cubby!   Did you not trust us?  Why must the stretch goals stop at $105K!   It hasn't even been an hour!

More coming. Our designer can't update the unlock graphic fast enough.

Question to Cubby did you think this going happen like this? WOW!

I can only speak for myself, but: in terms of speed and number of backers, yes, in terms of amount, no.

I personally didn't think anyone would go for the Full Kerensky at all, and they're all gone in an hour.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 13:55:38
Can we at least get a picture of the CGL: BattleTech staff smiling?  You guys have to be pleased as punch by the turnout and dedication of the fans!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 17 July 2019, 13:56:37
$175k now. My goodness, it's almost blown through your $200k speculative graphic before the update. That's some velocity.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 17 July 2019, 13:57:18
I'm honestly not suprised by this at all.  For all there is a vocal group that hates everything to do with the Clans.  I think most people like them well enough, and much like the HBS PC game?  We're at peak nostalgia for people who grew up with Battletech, so people have money to spare and definitely want in on stuff like this!

I wouldn't be shocked if this hit well over a million, or even 2 million by the end.  Maybe a tad surprised at the latter, but not shocked at all.  Especially as new stretch goals add new add-ons for people to throw even more money at.  I mean, I can already say I'll add on a star of elementals at the bare minimum.

kicktraq says trending 1.5 million. That said, in my observations 'traq tends to be optimistic this early.

https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/450703636/battletech-clan-invasion/



Hoping the final boxes for the lance/star pack are smaller than the graphic. Those are oversize for what they contain.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 13:57:39
I am happy with what they offered, its better to roll out manageable stuff than promise things for a unrealistic level.  Its a first time for BT in this, next time when they offer the FedCom Civil War Expansion KS it might be able to keep up with the first day.

Is the Proliferation Cycle novellas going to be released to us print or digitally?  The scenarios specifically say digitally, but the books do not.

Right now I am figuring for the Add-Ons, a pair of Salvage Boxes and extra dice.


Kerenskys are gone . . . and nearly 6 times the original goal in less than a hour.  And half the world is sleeping!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 13:58:13
Can we at least get a picture of the CGL: BattleTech staff smiling?  You guys have to be pleased as punch by the turnout and dedication of the fans!

At Gen Con, maybe. Otherwise it'd be a lot of Photoshop.

But yes, once again: to everyone who has pledged and everyone who will - thank you.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 17 July 2019, 13:59:39
I'm picturing Cubby and the rest of the staff furiously laying down train tracks as a steaming locomotive is rapidly approaching from behind them.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RogueK on 17 July 2019, 13:59:49
So. Question: Is there any way to get multiples of the clan box Star without purchasing multiples the full box?

I mean with any of the double forces options it seems a bit unbalanced force wise to have that star the only one not doubled.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 14:01:36
I'm picturing Cubby and the rest of the staff furiously laying down train tracks as a steaming locomotive is rapidly approaching from behind them.

Fortunately, stretch goals were planned well up the line - nothing is being made up on the fly now. And it looks like the initial rush is slowing down a bit, no surprise there.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dulahan on 17 July 2019, 14:02:26
kicktraq says trending 1.5 million. That said, in my observations 'traq tends to be optimistic this early.

https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/450703636/battletech-clan-invasion/



Hoping the final boxes for the lance/star pack are smaller than the graphic. Those are oversize for what they contain.

The best bet will be after the first three days.   there's some kickstarter logic where the last 3 days end up being around half what the first three days are.  And roughly a certain amount (That's the fact I'm forgetting) trickles in between them.  But the first 3 and last 3 definitely account for the large majority of a kickstarter.

Of course, with massive amounts of add ons and such that can get skewed extra weirdly.

That all being said, yeah this early the tracker can't be relied on at all!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 17 July 2019, 14:04:13
Fortunately, stretch goals were planned well up the line - nothing is being made up on the fly now. And it looks like the initial rush is slowing down a bit, no surprise there.

Excellent planning :) You guys and gals and all ships at sea are really on the ball here :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 17 July 2019, 14:04:32
The best bet will be after the first three days.   there's some kickstarter logic where the last 3 days end up being around half what the first three days are.  And roughly a certain amount (That's the fact I'm forgetting) trickles in between them.  But the first 3 and last 3 definitely account for the large majority of a kickstarter.

Of course, with massive amounts of add ons and such that can get skewed extra weirdly.

That all being said, yeah this early the tracker can't be relied on at all!

now it's saying trending towards 5 mil. I'm discounting that, but...

Hey, cubby, how far did you say you had stretch goals planned?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 17 July 2019, 14:04:36
That all being said, yeah this early the tracker can't be relied on at all!

Yeah. This exactly. It's currently projecting $5.8 million. That would be astounding if it happened, but I don't see that happening.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 14:04:55
I'd say $185,000 U.S. was just a tad more than they expected.

In the first HOUR.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 17 July 2019, 14:06:44
Excellent planning :) You guys and gals and all ships at sea are really on the ball here :)

I agree. You guys are doing a great job.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 14:07:26
Hey, cubby, how far did you say you had stretch goals planned?

I didn't. I don't want to set an artificial ceiling in the first hour.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 17 July 2019, 14:11:16
I didn't. I don't want to set an artificial ceiling in the first hour.

rhetorical question. Although I'm guessing they'd have to make stuff up on the fly if it hit 5 mil

Come on, I want plastic hollanders... [/joke]
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Doom on 17 July 2019, 14:13:17
Just broke $200k.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 14:13:49
And it looks like the initial rush is slowing down a bit, no surprise there.

There’s no more money to spend it’s all gone.

There might be some charm in stretch goals on the fly.

Randall: pledge 10k and you can... uh... have my PERSONAL car painted in... davion guards colors!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 14:15:14
Last time I'll act like a human bean counter:

$200,000 US in 1 hour and 15 minutes.  Bonkers!

 :) :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: I am Belch II on 17 July 2019, 14:21:48
Last time I'll act like a human bean counter:

$200,000 US in 1 hour and 15 minutes.  Bonkers!

 :) :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

That is amazing. COngrats!!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 14:27:14
poor graphics guy. he updates the stretch goals to $200k, which have already been met
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 17 July 2019, 14:29:11
Yes, next lance box Phoenix Hawk, Warhammer, Rifleman, and Wasp!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dulahan on 17 July 2019, 14:30:55
SCORE!   Already 2 points of Elementals in the main box!  This bodes well for a full star of them in addition to the main mech star!   This makes me super happy.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 17 July 2019, 14:31:18
Damnit Cubby!   Did you not trust us?  Why must the stretch goals stop at $105K!   It hasn't even been an hour!

To be honest, I'm happy with the stretch goals as they are, at least for now.

Having a bit of excess cash in the system offers up a bit of leeway in case of unforeseen circumstances....which can happen as CGL have recently seen.

Having said that, this is definitely a very good result and should do well to putting BT back at the top of the gaming scene. I don't think I've seen a Kickstarter where the pledge amount were changing that fast.

As for further pledge levels, improving the box set may be an idea....expanding the Clan primer for example. Or a short story or scenario for each Clan.

One thing I would like to see is a Quick Start Alpha Strike rules added to the box set here.

Other options might be pdfs of existing Clan sourcebooks, or promises to update the Clan Phoenix designs.

 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wildonion on 17 July 2019, 14:31:34
Hmm, question about the Reinforcements unlocks. The level 1 version says that one of the three reserve Clans will be selected to join the existing options, while Level 2 says that the senior lever backers will select a second. Does this mean that the level 1 will be a more open vote or will only the senior level guys be voting in both?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 14:34:54
Hmm, question about the Reinforcements unlocks. The level 1 version says that one of the three reserve Clans will be selected to join the existing options, while Level 2 says that the senior lever backers will select a second. Does this mean that the level 1 will be a more open vote or will only the senior level guys be voting in both?

I *believe* it's the former, an open vote, but I'll need to check. Adding this to my list of questions for later, I...don't expect to get a response on this stuff for awhile yet.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 14:35:07
are the tukayyid battlefield map goals for making battlemats out of the map pack? or will the maps just be offered as singles? i'm unclear about what that means
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Garrand on 17 July 2019, 14:36:38
Still going up. At this point all the hard-core fans have pledged & now the word has to spread through the webz to the rest of the community. I expect it to keep going up, just not as fast as in the initial rush.

I may increase my pledge later. I pledged my level to get my "foot in the door" & see what add-ons I want to do. That'll be the final decision on how much I pay into it.

Damon.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 14:37:59
There’s no more money to spend it’s all gone.

Half the world is asleep still, lol.  And in the US, working . . . though quite interesting it set up for lunch in East & Central.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dulahan on 17 July 2019, 14:39:21
I'd say we have a pretty good idea what some of the other stretch goals will be too.

Looks like every 20k or so (from the 115k on) is new Tuk battle maps.  Probably one more elemental in each 100k bracket somewhere. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 14:40:51
Half the world is asleep still, lol.  And in the US, working . . . though quite interesting it set up for lunch in East & Central.

didn't set special alarms smh
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 14:42:28
though quite interesting it set up for lunch in East & Central.

My master plan.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 14:43:07
Gargoyle, Viper, Hellbringer, Mad Dog and Ice Ferret . . . well, the Wolves are covered for mechs!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 17 July 2019, 14:44:55
Half the world is asleep still, lol.  And in the US, working . . . though quite interesting it set up for lunch in East & Central.

So do you thinking all the working US folks have pledged or do you think there will be another huge push after 5pm EST?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 14:47:20
So do you thinking all the working US folks have pledged or do you think there will be another huge push after 5pm EST?

With regular product releases, we generally see a little bump around then, and continuing through 5 p.m. PST, as people get off work.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wildonion on 17 July 2019, 14:48:11
I *believe* it's the former, an open vote, but I'll need to check. Adding this to my list of questions for later, I...don't expect to get a response on this stuff for awhile yet.

Thanks Cubby!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 14:49:35
Damn it, new stretch goals make me have to toss in another $25 bucks . . .
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wrangler on 17 July 2019, 14:49:58
Friggin $237,554!!!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charlie Tango on 17 July 2019, 14:50:07
So do you thinking all the working US folks have pledged or do you think there will be another huge push after 5pm EST?

Honestly at this point, I'd just say sit back and watch.   :popcorn:

There will likely be some people who can't get to it until after work today, or until tomorrow morning depending on their work schedule.  My suggestion is to see where it is after 24-30 hours live after it's had a chance to circle through the planet.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dulahan on 17 July 2019, 14:52:37
Poor Stretch goal person, might actually get the next set up before it hits 300k.  ;)

But maybe not.  I'm hoping we'll see everything to 500k by 5pm, given the end of workday crowd and euros, then let them get a nice break for the night and new updates tomorrow.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 17 July 2019, 14:56:30
Gargoyle, Viper, Hellbringer, Mad Dog and Ice Ferret . . . well, the Wolves are covered for mechs!

We have the Dire Wolf, Storm Crow and Mist Lynx in the Command Star. About all the Jags are missing now would be the Warhawk
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 14:58:01
We have the Dire Wolf, Storm Crow and Mist Lynx in the Command Star. About all the Jags are missing now would be the Warhawk

And a good light mech.  Rim-shot!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 15:00:10
BTW, at current back levels, it looks like CGL will need 1,300 Beginners Boxes to ship in March.  So if we double that number for the final tally.....

"John?  I think we need to find another factory...."

 :) :D :D :D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 17 July 2019, 15:02:07
Whelp, I couldn't resist -- I went ahead and sprung for the promotion to Star Colonel. Can I at least call myself Force Commander (given my Marik sympathies) :) ?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 15:03:22
Whelp, I couldn't resist -- I went ahead and sprung for the promotion to Star Colonel. Can I at least call myself Force Commander (given my Marik sympathies) :) ?

Actually, yes. I believe you can choose IS ranks of the equivalent Clan rank or lower.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: The_Livewire on 17 July 2019, 15:04:34
just broke 250K
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: .RL on 17 July 2019, 15:05:24
I don't usually do kick-starter so I have a question on how things work. Can someone help me understand the "add-ons". Is this something that will selected at a later date? Or are add-ons triggered by your pledge level?

example:

$200,000 - Inner Sphere Battle Lance Unlocked!
Four more etc etc. This lance pack may be selected with your backer level Star/Lance Pack reward and will also be available as an add-on.

So, does this mean that if for example, I chose "Star Captain", I will get the Clan invasion box set + 2 star/lance packs of my choice (for sake of argument = inner sphere command lance and clan heavy striker pack). But then, I at some point (if the $200,000 is reached), I will be able to amend my order to add the Inner sphere battle lance at an additional cost?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dulahan on 17 July 2019, 15:07:08
The goals through 300k are up.  Though I was wrong about guessing there'd be a third point of elementals in the core box in this group.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 15:07:26
Whelp, I couldn't resist -- I went ahead and sprung for the promotion to Star Colonel. Can I at least call myself Force Commander (given my Marik sympathies) :) ?

Good point, Leftenant Colonel sounds better than Star Colonel to me!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 17 July 2019, 15:07:38
I went in for $95. Most I could justify to myself to spend.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: God and Davion on 17 July 2019, 15:08:18
It is so nice to see the numbers rolling. And going up and up and up. Wow. And the 5 full Kerensky have been covered. Incredible!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 15:09:39
The goals through 300k are up.  Though I was wrong about guessing there'd be a third point of elementals in the core box in this group.

Inner Sphere Direct Fire lance at $300k looks amazing! New Crusader and Marauder II.  Squeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: carlisimo on 17 July 2019, 15:10:31
Over 225 characters to name… looks like we’ll be getting a phone book in novel format =p.

I do hope we end up with the reinforcing clans added to the dice options.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Gigastrike on 17 July 2019, 15:12:36
Please...no more...my account can't take it...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SteveRestless on 17 July 2019, 15:12:57
Pledged Galaxy Commander. Don't think I'll be proximate to any of the strategy meetings. Bidding my money where my mech is. Told Y'all I'd go whole hog on a Kickstarter.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Maingunnery on 17 July 2019, 15:15:08
Over 225 characters to name… looks like we’ll be getting a phone book in novel format =p.

I do hope we end up with the reinforcing clans added to the dice options.
The only thing that I can imagine is having an full TO&E of the Clans of just before the Clan invasion. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 15:15:46
Any answer on the novellas?  Print or ebook in August?

And I just noticed, the IS Lance as a reward gets a Salvage Box which works out nicely.  If I was able to convince my wife to go up to Star Colonel, would it be possible to select IS Retaliation for of one of the 5 double Lance/Star slots?

Numbers are also interesting . . . 8 merchants (might be good to give them a shout out at some point on Social Media), 488 Star Captains, 349 Bloodnamed, 185 Star Colonels, and the 41 lurking ComStar monitors.

Oh, next spring or early summer is looking AWESOME.  So far . . . 35 plastic mechs and 2 Elementals.

When does the money get taken?  I think I need to change the Birthday & Christmas list for the wife . . . maybe sell some plasma . . .
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 15:17:27
Any answer on the novellas?  Print or ebook in August?

And I just noticed, the IS Lance as a reward gets a Salvage Box which works out nicely.  If I was able to convince my wife to go up to Star Colonel, would it be possible to select IS Retaliation for of one of the 5 double Lance/Star slots?

Numbers are also interesting . . . 8 merchants (might be good to give them a shout out at some point on Social Media), 488 Star Captains, 349 Bloodnamed, 185 Star Colonels, and the 41 lurking ComStar monitors.

Oh, next spring or early summer is looking AWESOME.  So far . . . 35 plastic mechs and 2 Elementals.

When does the money get taken?  I think I need to change the Birthday & Christmas list for the wife . . . maybe sell some plasma . . .

Yup, I've got two kidneys, rumor is I only need one......
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Valkerie on 17 July 2019, 15:17:37
Wow this thread blew up.  Went Star Colonel here.  Great job everyone! :D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Foxx Ital on 17 July 2019, 15:18:14
In for star commander, plan on going star col. Before all's said and done.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 15:18:25

If I was able to convince my wife to go up to Star Colonel

Better man than I. I just went for it and will explain / plead forgiveness later. it's going to be $400+ with add-ons

Quote
When does the money get taken?  I think I need to change the Birthday & Christmas list for the wife . . . maybe sell some plasma . . .

Aug 17 when the campaign ends
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: God and Davion on 17 July 2019, 15:18:51
Inner Sphere Direct Fire lance at $300k looks amazing! New Crusader and Marauder II.  Squeeeeeeeee

Yay!!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: 00Dawg on 17 July 2019, 15:21:26
Inner Sphere Direct Fire lance at $300k looks amazing! New Crusader and Marauder II.  Squeeeeeeeee
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Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 17 July 2019, 15:22:22
I don't usually do kick-starter so I have a question on how things work. Can someone help me understand the "add-ons". Is this something that will selected at a later date? Or are add-ons triggered by your pledge level?

example:

$200,000 - Inner Sphere Battle Lance Unlocked!
Four more etc etc. This lance pack may be selected with your backer level Star/Lance Pack reward and will also be available as an add-on.

So, does this mean that if for example, I chose "Star Captain", I will get the Clan invasion box set + 2 star/lance packs of my choice (for sake of argument = inner sphere command lance and clan heavy striker pack). But then, I at some point (if the $200,000 is reached), I will be able to amend my order to add the Inner sphere battle lance at an additional cost?

add-ons are not included in your core pledge. If you want one, you add the monies to the pledge manually  [edit - during the kickstarter, it's usually cheaper] and tell them what you want with said additional monies post-kickstarter.

some things in core pledge are also in the add-ons, so check what you pledged for; and some stretch goals add to core pledge.



CGL guys - where are the pics of the lance packs?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: worktroll on 17 July 2019, 15:22:47
Another proud Star Colonel!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Azakael on 17 July 2019, 15:24:13
add-ons are not included in your core pledge. If you want one, you add the monies to the pledge manually and tell them what you want with said [b[additional[/b] monies post-kickstarter.

some things in core pledge are also in the add-ons, so check what you pledged for; and some stretch goals add to core pledge.

You can also pledge the money for the add-ons during the Kickstarter so they get counted towards stretch goals and the like by manually adjusting your pledge amount in the pledge manager. I'm in for Bloodnamed, but I also know I want the dice bag for sure.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PsylockeSmythe on 17 July 2019, 15:25:13
Went with Star Colonel.  Might add some for an add on later on.

Psy
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wildonion on 17 July 2019, 15:26:10
Now that we are up to four lance/star packs unlocked, will the campaign continue to be double the packs you selected for your tier or is it possible to get one of each of the boxes? I would jump to the $150 tier immediately if it meant that I could just get four distinct packs.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 15:27:32
Better man than I. I just went for it and will explain / plead forgiveness later. it's going to be $400+ with add-ons

Aug 17 when the campaign ends

So for those more familiar . . . is that when they take the money and go make it?  So if I had another $100 to throw at it say . . . Sept or Oct, would I be able to buy in for more?  Wonder if I can get the FLGS to buy in so I can try to get some of the other IS lances later . . .

Yeah, what Azakael said . . . I am in for Bloodnamed plus some more to be able to get the add-ons I want and feed the stretch goals.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: .RL on 17 July 2019, 15:27:35
add-ons are not included in your core pledge. If you want one, you add the monies to the pledge manually and tell them what you want with said [b[additional[/b] monies post-kickstarter.

some things in core pledge are also in the add-ons, so check what you pledged for; and some stretch goals add to core pledge.



CGL guys - where are the pics of the lance packs?

You can also pledge the money for the add-ons during the Kickstarter so they get counted towards stretch goals and the like by manually adjusting your pledge amount in the pledge manager. I'm in for Bloodnamed, but I also know I want the dice bag for sure.

Thank you both for the explanation

Now that we are up to four lance/star packs unlocked, will the campaign continue to be double the packs you selected for your tier or is it possible to get one of each of the boxes? I would jump to the $150 tier immediately if it meant that I could just get four distinct packs.

ditto
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 17 July 2019, 15:33:52
Sadly I can't really justify Star Colonel, as much as I want to. I'm off to the US in Nov/Oct (Blizzcon) and 300 would be a nice bit of spending money in the US. I settled with being Bloodnamed :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wolf72 on 17 July 2019, 15:36:19
Star Commander (#1353?) here ... Can justify $50 on myself for an early (but arriving late) birthday present.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 15:37:05
I'm so excited for the three Inner Sphere lances with the new sculpts, I don't know what to say. 

I'm sitting here at work smiling and everyone thinks I'm nuts.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Jester006 on 17 July 2019, 15:40:07
Quickly closing in on the 300k mark.

That's gonna be alot of plastic CGL is gonna have to scrounge for.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 17 July 2019, 15:43:21
Quickly closing in on the 300k mark.

That's gonna be alot of plastic CGL is gonna have to scrounge for.

There are going to be some busy artists, too.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DEZOAT on 17 July 2019, 15:43:39
 :o :o :o  Its still growing!!!  Well I did the happy dance when IS BattleLance was unlock now on to the IS FireLance 8) P.S. The Clan Mech are growing on me right now.Put extra for the dice bag.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: cypher226 on 17 July 2019, 15:43:44
In at Bloodnamed so far, but will probably push up before the end  :)

I'll be adding some additional lances as well, if I'm honest with myself!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 15:45:12
As for the extra lances, yeah.  With a call sign like mine, you know one Marauder isn't going to cut it.  Also, that new Pixie sure is purty.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DEZOAT on 17 July 2019, 15:47:01
Quickly closing in on the 300k mark.

That's gonna be alot of plastic CGL is gonna have to scrounge for.
Don't worry someone going to steal alot plastic milk cases to send to China that for sure.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 17 July 2019, 15:48:31
I'm so excited for the three Inner Sphere lances with the new sculpts, I don't know what to say. 

I'm sitting here at work smiling and everyone thinks I'm nuts.

That's what pushed me over the fence to Star Colonel. When they said "Classics, New Atlas and New Orion" it was all over and my wallet was mugged  ;D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: cobaltcoil on 17 July 2019, 15:51:08
In for Star Captain at #445...Dice Bag looks nice as does that Timber Wolf Metal Statue and the Inner Sphere Retaliation, but we shall see at the end of the kickstarter. :thumbsup: :drool: ;D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Doom on 17 July 2019, 15:55:25
I hope whoever gets to be the main character in a novel is Bob Smith or something completely innocuous and similarly commonplace.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 17 July 2019, 15:56:04
I'm holding off pledging more until I see what else might be added as stretch goals. Sitting here at Star Colonel, some of the add-ons (Retaliation set and extra lances) are really tempting me. I know I want some of those Elemental Stars for the Ghost Bear trinary I want to build.

I just have to figure out how much it's all going to cost me for the extra stuff.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Silverline on 17 July 2019, 15:57:08
Will we get some visuals of the later Lance/Star boxes? I'm dying to see the new Atlas
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 17 July 2019, 15:57:25
Hey Chubby and others working on this Kickstarter,

Would it be possible to add another add-on of, say, a print or a poster of the gorgeous artwork you are using? I see there's a digital wallpaper for us, how about adding a print or poster of either that or the cover?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 17 July 2019, 16:02:16
Hey Chubby and others working on this Kickstarter,


Well, asking like that's not gonna get you far.  :P
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: abou on 17 July 2019, 16:04:28
You guys are going to need a bigger boat... I mean stretch goals.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 16:05:44
Now that we are up to four lance/star packs unlocked, will the campaign continue to be double the packs you selected for your tier or is it possible to get one of each of the boxes? I would jump to the $150 tier immediately if it meant that I could just get four distinct packs.

Yes, it's double ONLY those you selected for your tier. So if you pick a Clan Command Star and an IS Command Lance, but add on an IS Direct Fire Lance, you'll get a second copy of the Clan Command Star and an IS Command Lance.

Hey Chubby

<AHEM>

Quote
Would it be possible to add another add-on of, say, a print or a poster of the gorgeous artwork you are using? I see there's a digital wallpaper for us, how about adding a print or poster of either that or the cover?

I'll pass that along. I'd buy!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 17 July 2019, 16:06:30
Will we get some visuals of the later Lance/Star boxes? I'm dying to see the new Atlas

We're less than $1,000 away from having that unlocked, so I'm hoping they'll show it sometime down the line.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 17 July 2019, 16:07:44
We're less than $1,000 away from having that unlocked, so I'm hoping they'll show it sometime down the line.

Too late, threshold already broken.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 17 July 2019, 16:07:53
And we're at the 300k mark. Just over 3 hours to reach it. Wow.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: 00Dawg on 17 July 2019, 16:08:09
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Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 16:08:18
Yes, it's double ONLY those you selected for your tier. So if you pick a Clan Command Star and an IS Command Lance, but add on an IS Direct Fire Lance, you'll get a second copy of the Clan Command Star and an IS Command Lance.

<AHEM>

I'll pass that along. I'd buy!

My goodness, let me get this straight.  So at Star Colonel, you get to pick 5 lance packs and they ALL GET DOUBLED? 

I'm going to start cackling with glee if I'm reading that right. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Jester006 on 17 July 2019, 16:08:36
BOOM!  300k!  Congrats!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Jester006 on 17 July 2019, 16:11:20
My goodness, let me get this straight.  So at Star Colonel, you get to pick 5 lance packs and they ALL GET DOUBLED? 

I'm going to start cackling with glee if I'm reading that right.

Aye, you read it right laddie.

Up to 55 mechs in total for Star Colonel.  5 Star Packs (25 mechs) x2 plus the 5 from Invasion box.  =)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 17 July 2019, 16:12:01
My goodness, let me get this straight.  So at Star Colonel, you get to pick 5 lance packs and they ALL GET DOUBLED? 

I'm going to start cackling with glee if I'm reading that right.

Yeah, look at the number of mechs on the pledge level and cross-check/convince-yourself by doing the arithmetic at home; it'll add up. For me, Bloodname does, in fact, double, adding up to 25 total Mechs and the loss of a lot of acrylic paint and several cans of matte coat.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Xiwo Xerase on 17 July 2019, 16:12:57
I gave in and increased my pledge to Star Colonel.

Would you please include a picture of the leather dice bags (or a mockup) in a future update?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wildonion on 17 July 2019, 16:13:22
Yes, it's double ONLY those you selected for your tier. So if you pick a Clan Command Star and an IS Command Lance, but add on an IS Direct Fire Lance, you'll get a second copy of the Clan Command Star and an IS Command Lance.

That part I understood. What I was wondering is if there were plans on changing the doubling into being able to just pick four of the packs. (I imagine you are swimming in questions between the forums, social media, and everything else going on. Thanks for taking the time to answer our questions!)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 17 July 2019, 16:16:05
A newly redesigned Hatchetman?!? (faints dead away) :thumbsup: :rockon: :excited: :bow:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DEZOAT on 17 July 2019, 16:17:54
 ??? It just dawn on me Clan pack get you 5 mechs and a blind box mech. IS pack get you 4 mechs and blind box mech. If I go with some IS mechs I lose a mech  ::) . Thats a bummer.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 17 July 2019, 16:19:07
I don't think you get the blind with the clan packs.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 17 July 2019, 16:20:37
I don't think you get the blind with the clan packs.

From re-reading the Clan pack verbiage that appears to be correct.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Scotty on 17 July 2019, 16:21:17
I don't think you get the blind with the clan packs.

Correct.  The blind box is explicitly to make sure that unequal number of Mechs doesn't happen.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 17 July 2019, 16:21:23
Banshee? 3S or 3E? The former would be far more interesting.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 16:21:37
Today keeps getting better and better!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 17 July 2019, 16:22:31
Banshee? 3S or 3E? The former would be far more interesting.

I'd love to get a proper variant with the PPC on the arm again.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 16:22:54
Banshee? 3S or 3E? The former would be far more interesting.

3S would make sense as part of the clan invasion, because AFAIK the Lyran Commonwealth has the only active Banshee factory.  That being said, I like punching things with a good old 3E any day.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kles on 17 July 2019, 16:23:15
After reading some of the newer stretch goals (please let the Coyotes be one of the new choices), I had to up to Star Colonel
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 16:23:48
I'd love to get a proper variant with the PPC on the arm again.

The new art in TRO:SW is gorgeous.  That wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: jimdigris on 17 July 2019, 16:24:28
$312,000 pledged. :o  I didn't realized we had so many hardcore fans.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 17 July 2019, 16:24:34
Well, asking like that's not gonna get you far.  :P

<AHEM>

haha, I am so sorry, things are going fast here for me.

Quote from: Cubby link=topic=65650.msg1522171#msg1522171 date=156339394
I'll pass that along. I'd buy!

Thank you!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 17 July 2019, 16:25:07
Yeah TROSW art was good. And i got two Es already, would like an S. (Yeah yeah, BT is not WYSIWYG but S models tend to look better due to having more guns.)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: carlisimo on 17 July 2019, 16:25:32
Wow, that’s a lot of lance/star packs they’ve committed to.  Can CGL and its suppliers handle all this production?  It seemed difficult enough to keep the GoAC box in stock.

I’ve reached the point where I need to start thinking hard about which ones I actually want and have the ability to paint within the next decade. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SteelRaven on 17 July 2019, 16:26:30
*sits down for lunch break and....*

Wuuuuuuut!? :o
Blake's Blood, look at the numbers for top tier pledges! Just.... WOW!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 17 July 2019, 16:28:45
3S would make sense as part of the clan invasion, because AFAIK the Lyran Commonwealth has the only active Banshee factory.  That being said, I like punching things with a good old 3E any day.

the art in TRO:SW was for the 3S. One circumstantial piece of evidence.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 16:30:31
the art in TRO:SW was for the 3S. One circumstantial piece of evidence.

Consider it my hope, and not evidence!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 17 July 2019, 16:31:04
I'll pass that along. I'd buy!

If you're taking suggestions, I still think a copy of the Quick Start Alpha Strike rules in the box set would be a good idea.

Or some of the stuff that's normally con exclusive...such as the aluminium.dice ;)

Other than that could we have clarification on which rewards are KS only and which rewards or add ons will be available to purchase  later.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 17 July 2019, 16:31:24
Wow, that’s a lot of lance/star packs they’ve committed to.  Can CGL and its suppliers handle all this production?  It seemed difficult enough to keep the GoAC box in stock.

Pure fan speculation: We've talked a lot on the forums about metal vs. plastic production. My understanding of plastic production is that steel molds represent a high initial cost but a low marginal cost. Every additional plastic injection amortizes the cost of the mold more, so the more the better. Rubber molds for metal casting have a lower initial cost (a lot lower in terms of material production) and so amortize a lot more slowly with higher marginal costs because the metal is expensive.

Note: This is not from personal experience, just from what I've read from people who do have experience.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 17 July 2019, 16:31:39
Those new stretch goals - my god!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 16:32:02
That part I understood. What I was wondering is if there were plans on changing the doubling into being able to just pick four of the packs. (I imagine you are swimming in questions between the forums, social media, and everything else going on. Thanks for taking the time to answer our questions!)

My pleasure - if I'm not here for days like today, what good am I to you all?

I don't see them changing the doubling, because of the scenario you suggest - it'll cut into the add-on revenue because people will use their doubled Packs to try to cover one of everything unlocked.

After reading some of the newer stretch goals (please let the Coyotes be one of the new choices), I had to up to Star Colonel

Thank you!

haha, I am so sorry, things are going fast here for me.

For us all. Not a problem.

It seemed difficult enough to keep the GoAC box in stock.

Not so much, certainly not compared to previous boxes. It's in stock in the CGL web store right now.

Fulfilling the add-on orders for the AGOAC through the KS ought to be simple - you know exactly how many you need, it'll be something like the third run of the boxes, and you have the cash in hand to pay for them. Much simpler than normal production.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Alexander Knight on 17 July 2019, 16:32:57
You know...I had planned to only pledge enough for the IS lance pack, maybe a few other things.

Then I saw the stretch goals.

*whimper*  I need to reallocate moneys.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: The_Livewire on 17 July 2019, 16:34:19
You know...I had planned to only pledge enough for the IS lance pack, maybe a few other things.

Then I saw the stretch goals.

*whimper*  I need to reallocate moneys.

I feel your pain *eyes downpayment fund enviously*
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 16:34:23
You know...I had planned to only pledge enough for the IS lance pack, maybe a few other things.

Then I saw the stretch goals.

*whimper*  I need to reallocate moneys.

It's only gonna get worse, pal.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 17 July 2019, 16:34:43
That part I understood. What I was wondering is if there were plans on changing the doubling into being able to just pick four of the packs. (I imagine you are swimming in questions between the forums, social media, and everything else going on. Thanks for taking the time to answer our questions!)

As pledges have been taken on the basis of the existing rewards, I don't think they can change now. Besides, there are often marketing, legal or economic reasons why doubling is preferable to a free choice.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 17 July 2019, 16:35:00
Upped my pledge to 420 (no pun intended)...now I'm only considering whether to splurge on that Fortress dropship
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wrangler on 17 July 2019, 16:35:22
Looks like rollercoaster stopped at $320,627.  Pretty good for first day. Wow.

When i get paid i'm throwing 40 in. so i can get that IS lance pack...hopefully.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: chongobongo on 17 July 2019, 16:37:11
So good to see this going well . I wonder if they have a million stretch goal like a table sized McKenna ? LOL
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wrangler on 17 July 2019, 16:39:22
Hope they were prepared for the the success this bringing.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 16:40:38
Couple pages back I promised to stop talking about numbers. 

I guess I lied.

$330,000 in 3 hours and 40 minutes.

In case you are wondering, that is $1,500 a minute.

Holy schnikes.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: sadlerbw on 17 July 2019, 16:40:45
It's fluctuating, but I took a quick snapshot of the number of backers a couple minutes ago and did the math. If you include the very few folks who are getting Beginner Boxes, CGL is on the hook for at least 47,901 plastic minis  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 16:41:30
at this rate i'm going to have to forfeit all birthday and christmas considerations to get everything i want

and it's day 1
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: sadlerbw on 17 July 2019, 16:45:09
Also, looks like they added some more Full Kerensky slots. There are now 10 in total!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dulahan on 17 July 2019, 16:47:26
I think at this point the only (super, duper mild) disappointment for me is that we don't seem to be getting anymore Elemental Points in the main box as stretch goals!  I was hoping it might just manage 5 full points for a full Star of them...  But again, minor!  2 points is still darned good for shaking things up!  And I'll be getting the extra box of Elementals anyways!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 17 July 2019, 16:49:15
I wonder if there will be Inner Sphere BA?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charlie 6 on 17 July 2019, 16:49:53
I don't see them changing the doubling, because of the scenario you suggest - it'll cut into the add-on revenue because people will use their doubled Packs to try to cover one of everything unlocked.
Changing or swapping was one of, and only one of, the manifest problems with the DUST: Tactics campaign I backed years ago.  Please stay the course, please.

Good luck and thanks for doing good with the brand.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Takiro on 17 July 2019, 16:50:42
Well we seem off to a good start.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Vandervecken on 17 July 2019, 16:52:00
There's something major missing from this Kickstarter (unless I missed it):
I can buy as many Star and Lance packs as I want, but the only way to get duplicates of the 5 Mechs in the Clan box set is to make a second pledge. You can't buy the 5 Mechs in the original star as an extra add-on, and you can't add-on a second box set either.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Xiwo Xerase on 17 July 2019, 16:53:57
The $340k stretch goal "Founding of the Clans (I)" should be for the first digital novel, right?  (It says "second" right now.)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 16:56:59
seems that way. the second one also says "second" so I assume it was a c/p error
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dulahan on 17 July 2019, 17:01:24
seems that way. the second one also says "second" so I assume it was a c/p error

Or a "You guys are throwing money at the screen so fast I missed it in editing while trying to keep up!  What do you mean they are already over 300k!?"  *Cries into coffee*
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Maingunnery on 17 July 2019, 17:02:26
Is it OK if I speculate here about possible future stretch goals (read wishes)?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 17:05:21
Or a "You guys are throwing money at the screen so fast I missed it in editing while trying to keep up!  What do you mean they are already over 300k!?"  *Cries into coffee*

This.

There's something major missing from this Kickstarter (unless I missed it):
I can buy as many Star and Lance packs as I want, but the only way to get duplicates of the 5 Mechs in the Clan box set is to make a second pledge. You can't buy the 5 Mechs in the original star as an extra add-on, and you can't add-on a second box set either.

This has come up a few times. Passing it up the chain. My sense (and only my sense) is that there's hesitancy to make the five Omnis in the Clan box a separate thing, because it creates another, very similar SKU and the potential for fulfillment errors.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Doom on 17 July 2019, 17:05:28
$312,000 pledged. :o  I didn't realized we had so many hardcore fans.

It's at 1800 backers so far. This message board has 8176 members. I'm surprised it's only at 1800.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dulahan on 17 July 2019, 17:09:12
It's at 1800 backers so far. This message board has 8176 members. I'm surprised it's only at 1800.

It only just passed 5 pm in Eastern time, 3/4ths of the US TZs aren't even off work yet! 

Not everyone can check sites like that from work.  Even on their phone.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Xiwo Xerase on 17 July 2019, 17:09:53
This has come up a few times. Passing it up the chain. My sense (and only my sense) is that there's hesitancy to make the five Omnis in the Clan box a separate thing, because it creates another, very similar SKU and the potential for fulfillment errors.
How about allowing for additional copies of the Clan Invasion boxed set as add-ons?  (The entire boxed set, not just the minis.)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 17:11:04
It only just passed 5 pm in Eastern time, 3/4ths of the US TZs aren't even off work yet! 

Not everyone can check sites like that from work.  Even on their phone.

That's my hope for the really specific day one timing. A big initial burst, followed by sustained gains as the 5 p.m. and evening hours roll across the U.S. -- and the other side of the world wakes up.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 17:11:21
How about allowing for additional copies of the Clan Invasion boxed set as add-ons?  (The entire boxed set, not just the minis.)

That's what I'm passing up the line.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: jimdigris on 17 July 2019, 17:13:11
What happens if we exceed $400,000?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Scotty on 17 July 2019, 17:13:53
In the box contents preview the possibility of additional boxes as rewards at +$50/ea was mentioned.  I bet this is a minor omission that'll get fixed.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SteveRestless on 17 July 2019, 17:14:05
How about allowing for additional copies of the Clan Invasion boxed set as add-ons?  (The entire boxed set, not just the minis.)

Yes, please, this very much. I am after multiple Timber Wolves. I am very confused by the way this all works, but I hope very much to get multiple instances of the core clan mechs so that I can field multiple Timbers and Adders.

Failing that, I hope someone wants to trade...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Vandervecken on 17 July 2019, 17:14:13
This has come up a few times. Passing it up the chain. My sense (and only my sense) is that there's hesitancy to make the five Omnis in the Clan box a separate thing, because it creates another, very similar SKU and the potential for fulfillment errors.

You've already created a separate SKU by allowing us to buy the 10 IS Mechs in the Base box and Beginner box without the boxes, so why would this be an issue?
People will end up drowning in Ice Ferrets and Warhawks and the like but literally unable to buy extra Timber Wolves.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 17:14:43
Well, someone stretched a bit to put the Hellion in the Clan Invasion era- I thought the mini was fine previously, but one nice thing with the plastic is they all seem to be scaling together quite well.

Maybe a Binary Add-on like the Retaliation, use the box star plus one that is decided on by the Galaxy Commander & more decision group (with a live announcement of that 2nd star at GenCon)- or just call it a Nova, box star and elementals at Retaliation cost?  Btw, can the 5 box mechs be in the mystery Salvage Box?

Cubby, thanks for taking the time to respond . . . how are we on the Social Media Goals to spread the word?

I see a great epidemic of grown men doing the pee-pee dance for more than a year waiting for their boxes to arrive.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 17:15:43
I'm kind of stunned by these backer levels:

6 Full Kerenskys at $5k per pop.
19 Khans at $1k per pop.
87 Galaxy Commanders at $600 per pop.

That is $101k right there!

I had no idea we had such....well funded.....fans in our midst!!!!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 17:16:53
What happens if we exceed $400,000?
more stretch goals. it seems every 100k moves us four mechs closer to completely revamping the 3025/3039 gang

I'm kind of stunned by these backer levels:

6 Full Kerenskys at $5k per pop.
19 Khans at $1k per pop.
87 Galaxy Commanders at $600 per pop.

That is $101k right there!

I had no idea we had such....well funded.....fans in our midst!!!!

there are times when carrying a credit card balance for a few months are worth it  ;D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Vandervecken on 17 July 2019, 17:18:33
As a Star Colonel thinking about an upgrade to Galaxy Commander, I can say that I have been waiting for this Kickstarter for half a decade at least. I don't like IWM metal miniatures. I have a set of the original plastics from back when I was a kid, and I'm loving the new Alpha Strike. I can get TONS of Mechs on the table and have a giant engagement. Given that I'm time-poor but cash-rich these days, I want to make sure I get in on the action and support as much as I can. Battletech has given me so much joy over the years.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 17 July 2019, 17:20:40
I might be bumping mine up to Galaxy Commander. At this point, I'm starting to think I can live off Ramen, water, and any other cheap food for a while :). Eh, I need to lose weight anyway.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 17 July 2019, 17:22:15
kickstarter noob question, but how does one even get add ons?

'cause I'm feelin' like snagging a third lance pack.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SteveRestless on 17 July 2019, 17:24:46
Hey, just throwin it out there. I'll sign an NDA and bump my support tier up to Khan level, if I can get told officially who the ilClan is going to be finally. easiest $400 you'll ever make.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Vandervecken on 17 July 2019, 17:25:32
kickstarter noob question, but how does one even get add ons?

'cause I'm feelin' like snagging a third lance pack.

Figure out which add-ons you want to buy. Then make a pledge for your base level plus the cost of add-ons. So if you want $50 worth of add-ons on top of a $300 pledge, pledge $350.
You will have the opportunity to select which add-ons you want (and add more money if you want) in the Pledge Manager after the campaign finishes, but money spent post-campaign doesn't contribute to Stretch goals.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RomulusDC on 17 July 2019, 17:26:03
I’m at the star colonel now, but if I buy another $300 worth of add one, would that get me to the next pledge level, or are the totally separate?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 17:28:31
My understanding is it does not get you the next pledge level, but it will count for the stretch goals.  For example, I have a plan right now that has me at Bloodnamed, and I already threw in more money (twice) to get star/lance boxes I wanted as they were revealed.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 17 July 2019, 17:30:13
I’m at the star colonel now, but if I buy another $300 worth of add one, would that get me to the next pledge level, or are the totally separate?

Separate. You have to pledge to be a Galaxy Commander to receive that level's rewards. Just throwing in money at your pledge level will not bump you up. As Colt Ward also said, it does count towards the stretch goals.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 17 July 2019, 17:31:03
Figure out which add-ons you want to buy. Then make a pledge for your base level plus the cost of add-ons. So if you want $50 worth of add-ons on top of a $300 pledge, pledge $350.
You will have the opportunity to select which add-ons you want (and add more money if you want) in the Pledge Manager after the campaign finishes, but money spent post-campaign doesn't contribute to Stretch goals.

Thanks. Done!



Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SCC on 17 July 2019, 17:36:18
Obviously missing content: Any mention of a painting guide.

More thoughts later.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 17:42:19
Obviously missing content: Any mention of a painting guide.

More thoughts later.

Come on, THAT is obvious . . . they are the Clans, their mechs are properly painted with the blood of their enemies with hidden speakers playing the lamentations of their enemies' women when they are on the offensive.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: sadlerbw on 17 July 2019, 17:46:14
I see a great epidemic of grown men doing the pee-pee dance for more than a year waiting for their boxes to arrive.

This needs a GIF so, so badly!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 17 July 2019, 17:46:21
Come on, THAT is obvious . . . they are the Clans, their mechs are properly painted with the blood of their enemies with hidden speakers playing the lamentations of their enemies' women when they are on the offensive.

Clan Diamond Shark rocks up to Tukayyid but CLEARLY didn't get the message, but one of their Psyops did. And as they go into battle

"Maaaa-gi-k Shark do do do doo doo..."
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 17:58:48
"Maaaa-gi-k Shark do do do doo doo..."

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f1/b1/51/f1b1514d8023d8088f0fa8f232be405b.jpg)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bren on 17 July 2019, 18:01:08

$320,000 - NEW EXCLUSIVE POSTER. We will consult the Khans and then commission a new art for another great double-sided physical poster, to be provided to all RISTAR backers and above.


Can ... er, uh ... Øystein be involved with this one?

<cough>
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: kinwolf on 17 July 2019, 18:01:45
How many stories will they have to create to fullfill all those canon fodder characters pledges???
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 18:04:43
Most will probably just show up on rosters or as pilots in scenarios

If you’ve got a cool name you might get a passing mention in a sourcebook blurb
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SteveRestless on 17 July 2019, 18:07:43
Personally I'd be fine with my character appearing in a different Era. Totally cool with a mention in one of the plot-forward sourcebooks rather than an invasion era one.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Doom on 17 July 2019, 18:12:28
Most will probably just show up on rosters or as pilots in scenarios

If you’ve got a cool name you might get a passing mention in a sourcebook blurb

So far 98 backers at the Galaxy Commander level. Not only do they get to name a character, but the character gets art in their likeness in a BT product. The 22 Khans and 6 Full Kerenskys get that, too. That's 126 canon characters with art IN a product SO FAR.

I don't know how to determine if anyone has taken the $200 add-on to name a character, who would ALSO get art and inclusion in an upcoming product.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 18:14:22
They probably should have put a cap on that lol
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 17 July 2019, 18:17:29
Hey look at that. "A Game of Armoured Combat" is an add-on. Whodathunkit? ;)

Can we please also add "The Beginner's Box" as an add-on?

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 17 July 2019, 18:22:20
I suppose it all depends on how many artists they have lined up to create the art and how detailed CGL wants them to be. Some of those characters will be going to the new Mechwarrior Pilots Cards (the $310k stretch goal).
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Doom on 17 July 2019, 18:24:50
That could be their intent. Maybe that's why they don't indicate the size of those card decks. The Star Colonel perks specifically state the canon character will appear in 'sourcebooks or fiction', though, and the later ones refer to that one. So if they ONLY appear on those cards, it somewhat repudiates the perk people specifically pay for.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 17 July 2019, 18:26:54
My credit card is screaming because I just went Full galaxy commander.

I should warn everyone that doesn't know that the last time I was supposed to show up in the battletech universe was with wizkids and the game died a year later and the [original]company another year after that.  If my bad luck on this holds out, I'm sincerely very sorry. :-[
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: FrozenIceman on 17 July 2019, 18:29:14
Any chance we could get a faction specific lapel as an add-on?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: kinwolf on 17 July 2019, 18:29:51
Hey look at that. "A Game of Armoured Combat" is an add-on. Whodathunkit? ;)

Can we please also add "The Beginner's Box" as an add-on?

BYE

Honestly, you're better off getting it from a local shop where it is most probably sold around 50$ too and won't add shipping cost.(plus, you get it now and not in 9 months)

Beginner box is part of the first two pledge level.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 17 July 2019, 18:31:19
I go away for a few hours and find that an additional $250K has been pledged.

This has been exploding.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: kinwolf on 17 July 2019, 18:36:36
USD$ sucks.  In CAN$ the pledge is already over 497K.  As such I demand that all Canadians get all strech goals unlocked!  ;D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 17 July 2019, 18:37:36
Just crossed 2000 backers and $380K.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2019, 18:41:32
I'm excited to see what the other side of the world does before I get to work tomorrow.  Go Asia and Oceania goooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: cobaltcoil on 17 July 2019, 18:43:04
I wonder if the person responsible for adding, unlocking and updating the stretch goals is tearing his hair out that the fund keeps passing the stretch goals before he can add, unlock and update them? Hoping we might see some omnifighters, dropships and warships further up the stretch goals....and of course the 3rd Book of Founding of the Clans.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Maingunnery on 17 July 2019, 18:45:02
I wonder if the person responsible for adding, unlocking and updating the stretch goals is tearing his hair out that the fund keeps passing the stretch goals before he can add, unlock and update them? Hoping we might see some omnifighters, dropships and warships further up the stretch goals....and of course the 3rd Book of Founding of the Clans.
I am hoping for more scenarios for other types of Trails and of course IIC packs.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kojak on 17 July 2019, 18:47:03
Welp, I just dropped three hundo to get the Star Commander level plus all the dice and challenge coins, and the canon character. Feelin' pretty good.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: cobaltcoil on 17 July 2019, 18:50:00
Perhaps we can see some Clan Trials of Absorption....Widowmaker and Mongoose, come to mind and of course a certain Clan Trial of Annihilation for the Not-Named?  :thumbsup:  :drool:  ;D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: YingJanshi on 17 July 2019, 18:59:39
Welp, just jumped on for the Star Colonel pledge. Trying to see just what add-ons I can afford... (or at least convince myself I can...  ;D )
Probably the thing I'm most excited for is the Elementals: just have to have those in a Clan set. Definitely going to be picking up some of the those.


A couple quick questions:
1) Will the new Star/Lance packs be released to the public at a later date? Or are they Kickstarter exclusives?
2) Is the map scale DropShip the one from IWM or is it a new sculpt?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 17 July 2019, 18:59:59
Honestly, you're better off getting it from a local shop where it is most probably sold around 50$ too and won't add shipping cost.(plus, you get it now and not in 9 months)
I'm in Oz. Shipping's going to be bad no matter what I do. At least I can get everything at the same time this way.

Beginner box is part of the first two pledge level.
And not an add-on, which is what I'd prefer.

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: sadlerbw on 17 July 2019, 19:04:19
Clan Diamond Shark rocks up to Tukayyid but CLEARLY didn't get the message, but one of their Psyops did. And as they go into battle

"Maaaa-gi-k Shark do do do doo doo..."

That might backfire and get them brutally, viciously attacked by every parent on the planet, batchall be damned!

Also, for the completionists among us, can we  get some text somewhere on the campaign listing the number of unique dice, coins, packs, etc. that have been unlocked so we can make sure we have enough addons to get ‘all the things’?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 17 July 2019, 19:06:14
Just shy of 400K and it's still an hour before people start getting off work on the West Coast.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 19:07:00
That might backfire and get them brutally, viciously attacked by every parent on the planet, batchall be damned!

Also, for the completionists among us, can we  get some text somewhere on the campaign listing the number of unique dice, coins, packs, etc. that have been unlocked so we can make sure we have enough addons to get ‘all the things’?

We’re working on this now. I realize there’s been a lot of unlocks today and some are scattered to hell and gone across three separate images. It’ll be a KS update and posts here and on social media.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: cobaltcoil on 17 July 2019, 19:07:13
On the cusp of breaking the $400,000 stretch goal....can't wait to see the next series of stretch goals.... ;D  :thumbsup:  :drool:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Vandervecken on 17 July 2019, 19:15:42
We’re working on this now. I realize there’s been a lot of unlocks today and some are scattered to hell and gone across three separate images. It’ll be a KS update and posts here and on social media.

Take your time, do it right. You have won the internet for today. Enjoy it, there's so much work ahead.

Also, questions I posted on the KS:
Questions regarding Canon characters:
1) Will Catalyst accept Clan-of-choice requests?
2) For Galaxy Commander and above, will higher ranks than "Mechwarrior X" be available?
3) For cases where art is included, will Catalyst accept a reference image to use when creating art of the character?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: YingJanshi on 17 July 2019, 19:16:46
Aaaand we just ran past $400k... :D :D :D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Foxx Ital on 17 July 2019, 19:20:52
If the money isn't taken out untill after the 17th, am I able to change my pledge from star captain to galaxy commander?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: YingJanshi on 17 July 2019, 19:23:33
If the money isn't taken out untill after the 17th, am I able to change my pledge from star captain to galaxy commander?

Yep. You're able to change your pledge anytime before the end date.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Reldn on 17 July 2019, 19:25:09
Heavily debating now if I bump up to Star Colonel, or hold at Bloodnamed and just add on for all the different Lance/Star packs.

I have got to get some more of my stuff sold off!  :D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Vandervecken on 17 July 2019, 19:25:53
If the money isn't taken out untill after the 17th, am I able to change my pledge from star captain to galaxy commander?

The money is taken after 30 days. You can change your pledge any time before then and it will count to stretch goals.
You can also put more money later with the Pledge Manager but it won't count for stretch goals.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Vandervecken on 17 July 2019, 19:27:16
Heavily debating now if I bump up to Star Colonel, or hold at Bloodnamed and just add on for all the different Lance/Star packs.

I have got to get some more of my stuff sold off!  :D

Higher pledge levels are locked into "Double Forces" which forces you to buy each Star pack in units of 2. Probably to simplify fulfillment.
That said, Star Colonel is the most cash-efficient in terms of $$ per Mech ($5.45), if you value all non-miniature rewards at $0.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kles on 17 July 2019, 19:28:44
Heavily debating now if I bump up to Star Colonel, or hold at Bloodnamed and just add on for all the different Lance/Star packs.

I have got to get some more of my stuff sold off!  :D

It’s kind of hidden, but I noticed under the list of add-ones, at least one of the neoprene mats will be free for everyone Star Colonel or higher. That helped me decide. (Plus I just wanted to help make sure some more stretch goals were passed quicker)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DEZOAT on 17 July 2019, 19:29:38
 :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8).  7:25PM ET JULY 17 2019 2123 backer and 401,238.00 WOW!!!! That fast that I have seen so far in 6 and half hour of this Kickstarter. I know after I'm done posting those number will have change some more. I have to say wow. They blew threw 3 sets of goal again WOW. I have wonder where the heck we go from here. Well I'm  >:D happy . Later everyone .
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 19:31:48
Yes, I have already been throwing extra $$ as we got some unlocks.  I am going to see if my FLGS is jumping in too.

So a couple of questions for Cubby-
1)  Will Salvage boxes include mechs from the Invasion box?
2)  Will prototypes be shown at GenCon?  If so, I need to replace the F5 on my work computer . . .
3)  How are we doing on the Social Media goals?  I just checked my FB and did not see a post from BT even though I follow.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SteveRestless on 17 July 2019, 19:32:35
So, I'm trying to count my Tubes before they are Decanted, and it's leaving me more than a little confused.

Tiers from Bloodnamed on up, have "Double forces!" and they have a mech count. Is that "Double Forces" included in the mech count already?

as a Galaxy Commander, am I getting 85 mechs, or 165?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 19:34:14
Its included . . . but leaves out the Salvage boxes that were unlocked as part of a tier reward.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Vandervecken on 17 July 2019, 19:36:38
Double Forces is strictly worse than choosing twice as many Packs. The main purpose I think is for these large pledges to be simpler to fulfill because they have to buy doubles of everything.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 17 July 2019, 19:39:03
So, I'm trying to count my Tubes before they are Decanted, and it's leaving me more than a little confused.

Tiers from Bloodnamed on up, have "Double forces!" and they have a mech count. Is that "Double Forces" included in the mech count already?

as a Galaxy Commander, am I getting 85 mechs, or 165?

Galaxy Commander gives....

Clan Invasion Box Set
8× Star Pack / Lance Pack

That is 5 Mechs from the Box Set, and 40 from the Packs.

Double Mechs then doubles the Packs....so you'd get the 8 from the GC level, and another duplicate set.

Total...16 Mech Packs plus five from the Box Set.

Total, 85.

To this is then added the Add On Packs.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 17 July 2019, 19:39:18
The more stretch goals we hit, the higher I feel I have to take my pledge level  ;D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cache on 17 July 2019, 19:43:41
Stretch Goals V are up. No graphics. Way to go, you killed their graphics guy.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 17 July 2019, 19:44:10
Oh no....

$410,000 – METAL WARHAMMER STATUE. From StarCorps Industries (also known as the fantastic metal smiths at Iron Wind Metals) comes a new Museum Scale statue of the Warhammer. This large pewter figurine (appox. 3.5” tall) will be a completely-new sculpt, based directly off of the redesign shown in this campaign. This will be offered under Add-ons.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cache on 17 July 2019, 19:44:58
This really caught my eye...

$450,000 - CLAN HEAVY BATTLE STAR UNLOCKED! A star of five new OmniMechs: Turkina, Kingfisher, Crossbow, Ebon Jaguar, and Huntsman.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 19:46:53
Oh no was my reaction too at the Warhammer statue
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 17 July 2019, 19:47:50
Perhaps we can see some Clan Trials of Absorption....Widowmaker and Mongoose, come to mind and of course a certain Clan Trial of Annihilation for the Not-Named?  :thumbsup:  :drool:  ;D

Highly unlikely.

First...the Widowmaker Absorption has already been done
Second...the Mongoose Absorption was bigger and more complex and would require at least as much effort to create
Third...the Wolverine Annihilation is, in its own way, more complicated and controversial still.

None of these are suitable for a single scenario, but rather full campaigns.

A more suitable candidate  for a Trial of Annihilation for a scenario would be the Star of warriors who defeat led to the destruction of their progeny. Can't recall the Clan right now

Absorption? Probably a Harvest Trial
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 17 July 2019, 19:49:51
To be honest, getting the rest of the Founding of the Clans trilogy might be the most exciting thing about this campaign.

(guys, PoD copies, por favor?)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 19:52:57
It was certainly a pleasant surprise

What other unexpected treasure can we wring out with a bigger flood of money
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 17 July 2019, 19:53:35
Oh no....

$410,000 – METAL WARHAMMER STATUE. From StarCorps Industries (also known as the fantastic metal smiths at Iron Wind Metals) comes a new Museum Scale statue of the Warhammer. This large pewter figurine (appox. 3.5” tall) will be a completely-new sculpt, based directly off of the redesign shown in this campaign. This will be offered under Add-ons.

my wallet can't take this anymore  xp
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Azakael on 17 July 2019, 19:56:02
It was certainly a pleasant surprise

What other unexpected treasure can we wring out with a bigger flood of money

Well, how many other classic 3025 designs are there for IS? How many other Clan designs? :D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 17 July 2019, 19:57:33
I wonder if metallic versions will be available from IWM after the box sets are in production and delivered? (And adding whatever time it will take for them to be made.)

There are some i'd like to get but not as part of packs that include others i don't care one bit for.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Empyrus on 17 July 2019, 19:59:45
Well, how many other classic 3025 designs are there for IS? How many other Clan designs? :D

Counting the current box sets, which have 6 classics and three others...
Classics are all there, plus the Valkyrie, 15. Others total 14. So, 29 at the moment.

EDIT Think there should be 30 Clan 'Mechs? All 16 classics Omnis, plus 14 others.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 17 July 2019, 20:04:03
I think we need pics of all these new maps...

*looks at new stretch goals*

T... t....t.... TURKINA!!!  :D

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 20:05:12
Probably about a million more to check off all the 3025/3039 crew

I think we need pics of all these new maps...

BYE

Questionable if they’ve been made yet
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 17 July 2019, 20:05:15
To be honest, getting the rest of the Founding of the Clans trilogy might be the most exciting thing about this campaign.

(guys, PoD copies, por favor?)

I second this Print on Demand request if it's possible. It's so nice to have physical copies of these books.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Deadborder on 17 July 2019, 20:10:32
My only question is how much do I throw at this?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Crimson Dynamo on 17 July 2019, 20:12:07
My only question is how much do I throw at this?

And what a question it is! Same boat here.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 17 July 2019, 20:12:58
My only question is how much do I throw at this?
Enough to get us from plastic Turkina to plastic Night Gyr.  :))

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Reldn on 17 July 2019, 20:13:28
My only question is how much do I throw at this?

*laughs* The more I'm seeing announced the more I'm starting to wonder how much to throw down now. All those wonderful Lance/Star packs! :drool:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 17 July 2019, 20:23:14
I'm at $265 so far, so this can only go up.  :D

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: The_Livewire on 17 July 2019, 20:25:55
My only question is how much do I throw at this?

I'm keeping it on my credit card with the $500 limit, and right now keeping my pledge manager at $150.

Because I have a downpayment for a new home sitting in my account, and I don't want this anywhere near it.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: truetanker on 17 July 2019, 20:30:05
I wonder if they could add a Leviathan III metal sculpt to the add-on list if they hit over the Half-Million mark?

I'd pay for one... IIRC it 'twas a Con Exclusive mini...

TT
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dies Irae on 17 July 2019, 20:31:05
Dear CGL Team:

Thank you for including a retailer tier.
The gesture is appreciated and we're going to put our money where our mouth is.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 17 July 2019, 20:33:10
I'm really hoping that this meets the $490,000 mark.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 17 July 2019, 20:37:24
I'm really hoping that this meets the $490,000 mark.

It most likely will. It hasn't even been 12 hours lol
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 17 July 2019, 20:39:52
This will likely end between 1-1.5 mil by the 17th of Aug.

Already at 424k so they might want to get the next set of stretch goals ready.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RomulusDC on 17 July 2019, 20:41:08
I was hoping for another point of Elementals in the 300-400k range to eventually work up to a full star of elementals in the expansion box.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 17 July 2019, 20:43:33
That would be nice, but even two is good. Still have plenty of the old Ral Partha elementals from long long ago.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: YingJanshi on 17 July 2019, 20:45:24
This will likely end between 1-1.5 mil by the 17th of Aug.

Already at 424k so they might want to get the next set of stretch goals ready.

How much is too much though? If all of these were in the works already and this is just speeding things along, that's great. But a constant stream of more and more stretch goals is what makes a lot of the Kickstarter failures...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charlie 6 on 17 July 2019, 20:54:01
How much is too much though? If all of these were in the works already and this is just speeding things along, that's great. But a constant stream of more and more stretch goals is what makes a lot of the Kickstarter failures...
I'd add unmanageable stretch goals to your description but otherwise I agree.

I was just attempting to figure out what add-ons I'm going to add on and from what pledge level makes the most sense for me.  Frustrating that effort is the guessing game that "booming" Kickstarters present by continuing to add stretch goals.  Robotech RPG Tactics had this issue amongst others.

So I guess my question for Cubby and/or TPTB would be: what's your stretch goal cut-off point going to be?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dulahan on 17 July 2019, 21:17:08
I was hoping for another point of Elementals in the 300-400k range to eventually work up to a full star of elementals in the expansion box.

Same!  But at least we're getting some in an add on!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 17 July 2019, 21:18:23
And now that the Big Boss is home and I got her permission (with the mandatory Eye Rolling ::)), Galaxy Commander NeonKnight is ready for Business!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 21:18:45
Stepped away for a bit, trying to catch up now.


So a couple of questions for Cubby-
1)  Will Salvage boxes include mechs from the Invasion box?

Not sure, checking. We have a long list of questions heading to management tonight after rounding up everything asked here and in the KS comments. The responses will form the core of the FAQ on the KS itself.

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2)  Will prototypes be shown at GenCon?  If so, I need to replace the F5 on my work computer . . .

Some may be there, but not all. Not sure which ones. I will try to get decent photos taken if I'm not there to do so myself.

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3)  How are we doing on the Social Media goals?  I just checked my FB and did not see a post from BT even though I follow.

The FB post to share (https://www.facebook.com/battletechgame/photos/a.10150199463713148/10156419295408148/?type=3&theater) is the one that announced the KS at 1 p.m. So far, it has 309 shares of 500 needed.

The Twitter post to share (https://twitter.com/CGL_BattleTech/status/1151537016456253441) is the same. So far it has 191 retweets of 250 needed.

Stretch Goals V are up. No graphics. Way to go, you killed their graphics guy.

He needed a much-deserved breather. Graphics version will be up eventually.

So I guess my question for Cubby and/or TPTB would be: what's your stretch goal cut-off point going to be?

Hard to answer because it's a fluid situation. We had a pretty long list of them going into this, and there are still plenty more on that list -- I'm being cagey about the number because I don't want to set a ceiling on day one. But some things have been adjusted on the fly and moved around due to the rapid funding amount.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 21:26:49
I’ll be honest. I was expecting less than today’s total for the entire campaign.  As I continue to add to the rewards list I am filled with a certain level of disquiet. I don’t know how much Anthony has been working on but we are easily past the renders shared to patreon. By tomorrow we’ll be up to the better chunk of $500k. That’s a lot of stuff to produce. Getting all those vendors and authors in sync is going to be super challenging.

Still, I can’t help but be blown away by the support for the new direction of the line
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 17 July 2019, 21:34:14
QUESTION: Will the tiers that give you the chance to name a character(and really, who's not going to use their own name!?  ;D ) be capped?  You're already looking at almost 500 names on day one.  Kind of diminishes the reward if it just ends up being a full page of names at the end of an era report.  Or do you have interesting plans?


Also, some kind of "if you pledge this, you're getting this" graphic or even just a list that directly spells it out is always appreciated.  Makes it clearer what add-ons I need to budget for.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: cobaltcoil on 17 July 2019, 21:45:18
Seconded on DarkSpade's post
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 21:47:07
(and really, who's not going to use their own name!?  ;D )

I won’t be. That’s some pretty boring shit for me to foist on the writers
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Doom on 17 July 2019, 21:47:22
They should have stretch goals like Smash a Pie into Randall's Face at GenCon, or Pelt Loren with Ice Cream Cones at GenCon. Simple, fun things that people would LOVE but that won't cause fulfillment issues.  ;D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2019, 21:49:40
I was hoping for another point of Elementals in the 300-400k range to eventually work up to a full star of elementals in the expansion box.

I think we are probably at the point the box itself is full, its supposed to be about the same size as the GoAC box IIRC.  Two points are good IMO, gives you a taste of what they are like.  My question is, are there 1, 3 or 5 on the base?

DarkSpade, I see each pledge level spelled out on the right side at the top of the page- you clicked on what you wanted as your pledge level.

To Charlie 6's point . . . I will be honest, I am not too worried about most of what they are throwing in for folks hitting the stretch goals since its within the scope of what they do and most of it is low volume stuff.  Everything listed they have done for general release or for Cons- and this is going to allow them to scale on swag.

Digitally released scenarios & novellas-  already had PDF exclusive stuff
Dice, tags, keychain-  Con swag and selling some dice through CGL store
Posters, maps & neoprene maps-  Again, on the current CGL store
Pilot cards & decks-  Already done for boxes since AS Lance Packs, done for AS, and in current boxes
Inclusion in canon material for individuals-  its been done, just have to hope you do not fall on a grenade when you get named

TacMap case is the only thing a bit out of what they have offered, but I have no idea what they use at Cons to carry maps

The IWM Timber Wolf, Warhammer and dropship are not a stretch for them either- they already sell dropships like that, and the mechs would just be a matter of scale . . . should look at it as news they might already have the files to make those minis.


lol . . . 1464% funded . . .
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 17 July 2019, 21:55:21
DarkSpade, I see each pledge level spelled out on the right side at the top of the page- you clicked on what you wanted as your pledge level.

I've seen kickstarters that don't fully update those as more stretch goals get unlocked.  Also, it's a great eye catcher when people see a pile of swag all together in one graphic while trying to decide what to pledge.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 17 July 2019, 21:58:24
My question is, are there 1, 3 or 5 on the base?
That's a good point (heh!). Too many on a base and you get what I call the "Elemental Mosh Pit" problem.

My Elemental bases all have 3 per base. For bigger things, like Kanazuchis, I wouldn't go more than 2 per base (one looked a bit lonely).

I do hope we end up with a full star of Elementals in the core box though.

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: beachhead1985 on 17 July 2019, 22:00:54
Seconded on DarkSpade's post

I'd be cool with giving that up; IMO if it was a problem.

Kudos to the benefits-breakdown thread. This is a LOT of stuff and I was a little baffled at what comes in where and how.

Man, did we kill this one or what???

(https://i.redd.it/l1sxqh10lsj11.jpg)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charlie 6 on 17 July 2019, 22:02:16
Hard to answer because it's a fluid situation. We had a pretty long list of them going into this, and there are still plenty more on that list -- I'm being cagey about the number because I don't want to set a ceiling on day one. But some things have been adjusted on the fly and moved around due to the rapid funding amount.
Fair enough and completely understandable.
To Charlie 6's point . . . I will be honest, I am not too worried about most of what they are throwing in for folks hitting the stretch goals since its within the scope of what they do and most of it is low volume stuff.  Everything listed they have done for general release or for Cons- and this is going to allow them to scale on swag.
Early Kickstarter enthusiasm is fine but I've seen that too during Coolest Cooler, Robotech (RRT), and DUST: Tactics.  Since only one of those turned out to be slightly less than a fiasco I'll probably bring this up again around the midpoint if there hasn't been an update or FAQ entry for it.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 17 July 2019, 22:04:40
assuming the suits are sized similar to the current IWM ones, i'd guess they'll go the MWDA route and do a stand of 2-3 suits per base. that is all that would fit the mecha sized hexbases.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 22:06:17
Three would fit comfortably. MWDA used three and had to squeeze them a little more because of the click base info
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 17 July 2019, 22:06:22
Saw an update, y'all. The add-ons now have additional Clan Expansion boxes at $50 if you were interested in more of the original minis (more Timberwolfs, etc).
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pixelgeek on 17 July 2019, 22:07:26
Because I have a downpayment for a new home sitting in my account, and I don't want this anywhere near it.

Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it  >:D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wrangler on 17 July 2019, 22:20:11
When will the my card be hit for the money? End of the Kickstart?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 17 July 2019, 22:22:28
When will the my card be hit for the money? End of the Kickstart?
correct.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Andrew_Cluetain on 17 July 2019, 22:24:37
Did my $95 part, but looking hard a the add ons, Having a Cannon (Even a Red shirt) character is VERY tempting...  That said if more details emerge on how much control the "buyer" has, it may be hard to avoid...

To people asking, I believe the pledge is charged at the end, I don't know exactly when add ons are charged
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2019, 22:25:17
The option for additional copies of the Clan Invasion boxed set have been added to the list of add-ons as a $50 item.

Just a programming note, I'm about at the end of my day, but if you have additional questions, please continue to post them here or on the KS page. We're still compiling them, and I'll answer what I can in the morning.

From all of us, truly - thank you for this amazing day.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: carlisimo on 17 July 2019, 22:30:13
My only question is how much do I throw at this?

Mine is, how do I pick a clan?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Wrangler on 17 July 2019, 22:37:02
I took the 30 dollar option, paying 40 us dollars. I hope i can get the inner sphere lance pack with that salvage box.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RomulusDC on 17 July 2019, 22:40:45
So according to the update video, I just add the dollar amount of addons to my pledge.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 17 July 2019, 22:41:31
So according to the update video, I just add the dollar amount of addons to my pledge.

Correct.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: kinwolf on 17 July 2019, 22:47:52
I took the 30 dollar option, paying 40 us dollars. I hope i can get the inner sphere lance pack with that salvage box.

The inner sphere lance pack add-on is 20$ though, you'll be 10$ short. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: YingJanshi on 17 July 2019, 22:49:08
The option for additional copies of the Clan Invasion boxed set have been added to the list of add-ons as a $50 item.

Just a programming note, I'm about at the end of my day, but if you have additional questions, please continue to post them here or on the KS page. We're still compiling them, and I'll answer what I can in the morning.

From all of us, truly - thank you for this amazing day.

How many dice bags are there? Is there one with each faction logo? Or are there just an Inner Sphere and Clan themed ones?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 17 July 2019, 22:54:50
Someone tell Randall he needs to finish the Founders Trilogy now. :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 17 July 2019, 23:05:34
I'm super tempted to upgrade to Star Colonel thanks to all the lance and star pack stretch goals that have been released, but I think I'm going to stick to Bloodname and instead just throw some money toward getting some of the bonuses once there's a more solid list of what's actually available.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Fat Guy on 17 July 2019, 23:06:25
Just home from work (OK, I had to stop at my favorite watering hole on the way home for a few cold ones 'cause work sucked!).


Bloodnamed!


Before it's over, I'll be adding on whichever lance/star packs that doesn't cover.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 17 July 2019, 23:07:15
Did my $95 part, but looking hard a the add ons, Having a Cannon (Even a Red shirt) character is VERY tempting...  That said if more details emerge on how much control the "buyer" has, it may be hard to avoid...

To people asking, I believe the pledge is charged at the end, I don't know exactly when add ons are charged

Whatever you pledge is charged to your card when the kickstarter ends. You can pledge more than the tier you selected costs to cover addons you know you want.  Sometime after the kickstarter is over there will be a pledge manager where you tell catalyst exactly what you wanted to receive for your pledge. Most pledge managers will also give you the option to select more than what you've already paid. In that case you'll be charged the deference once you've locked in your "order".
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: General308 on 17 July 2019, 23:40:17
Stupid kickstarter looks like it is going to take at lest $300 of my dollars likely more.  :'(

So Star Colonel pack I am confused what does 5xStar/lance pack mean?   Sorry if it has been asked.  To many pages today to figure it out.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RomulusDC on 17 July 2019, 23:41:26
I upped to Galaxy Commander. I want my characters likeness immortalized.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Scotty on 17 July 2019, 23:43:14
Stupid kickstarter looks like it is going to take at lest $300 of my dollars likely more.  :'(

So Star Colonel pack I am confused what does 5xStar/lance pack mean?   Sorry if it has been asked.  To many pages today to figure it out.

You get to pick five of any combination of the Stars or Lances that have been reached and unlocked at the end of the kickstarter.

At that level, or each Star or Lance that you pick, you will receive two of the same, for a total of 10 (and up to 5 different ones).
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2019, 23:46:04
Stupid kickstarter looks like it is going to take at lest $300 of my dollars likely more.  :'(

So Star Colonel pack I am confused what does 5xStar/lance pack mean?   Sorry if it has been asked.  To many pages today to figure it out.

there are currently (as soon as we hit $500k) five lances and five stars

Code: [Select]
Clan Command Star - Daishi, Ryoken, Shadow Cat, Koshi, Thor
Clan Heavy Striker Star - Man 'O War, Vulture, Loki, Dragonfly, Fenris
Clan Fire Star - Dasher, Uller, Nova Cat, Masakari
Clan Pursuit Star - Fire Falcon, Hankyu, Hellion, Battle Cobra, Black Lanner
Clan Heavy Battle Star - Turkina, Kingfisher, Crossbow, Cauldron-Born, Nobori-nin
Inner Sphere Command Lance - Marauder, Valkyrie, Archer, Stinger
Inner Sphere Battle Lance - Phoenix Hawk, Warhammer, Rifleman, Wasp
Inner Sphere Direct Fire Lance - Atlas Marauder II, Orion, Crusader
Inner Sphere Heavy Lance - Banshee, Grasshopper, Centurion, Hatchetman
Inner Sphere Striker Lance - Blackjack, Panther, Wolfhound, Jenner

you can select five of those in any combination. at Bloodnamed ($150) and up, you get an identical copy of each of the lances/stars you select. so you select five and get double that.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Jester006 on 17 July 2019, 23:53:59
I'm really hoping the next wave of Clan challenge coins and dice will have my Star Adders.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dulahan on 17 July 2019, 23:56:23
I think we are probably at the point the box itself is full, its supposed to be about the same size as the GoAC box IIRC.  Two points are good IMO, gives you a taste of what they are like.  My question is, are there 1, 3 or 5 on the base?



5.

Direct from the writeup of the Elemental Add on:

"Each pack comes with five bases of five elementals each."
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: General308 on 17 July 2019, 23:58:20
Thanks guys
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 00:04:51
I'm really hoping the next wave of Clan challenge coins and dice will have my Star Adders.

the included homeclans are going to be voted on by the $1000+ contributors. six out of ten have already been unlocked (or at least will be with another paltry $3000) so your chances of getting those sweet, sweet adder dice are already pretty good.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: General308 on 18 July 2019, 00:06:07
Got to admit I never wished I had a spare $5k lying around more than now.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RomulusDC on 18 July 2019, 00:11:13
I wonder if they can get Jeff Laubenstein back for some of the art. I would give my other pinky for him to do my character art.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 18 July 2019, 00:14:45
Wow, looks like there's a very good chance of clearing $490K in 12 hours.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 July 2019, 00:16:01
I'm really hoping the next wave of Clan challenge coins and dice will have my Star Adders.

Its to the point of picking Home Clans, but the Star Colonels & Up- or maybe higher- get to pick them.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 18 July 2019, 00:19:05
I'm just so darn happy! It all went so well and with all the stretch goals etc this has obviously been well prepared and planned for.  Although I can hear Mr Scroggings yelling in alarm at all the extra Mech's he's got to draw :D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: General308 on 18 July 2019, 00:21:13
Is there a way to order multiples of a level?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Frank on 18 July 2019, 00:21:21
This Is one interesting promotion. Very hard to decide on to what level I would like to pay for. Lots of very interesting things to go with it. High end too much for me Low end way too low. Somewhere in between, but where for me. Need to give some thought.
 Clan Invasion Box set. What a way to enjoy yourselfs.

Decisions? Decisions? to make. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: General308 on 18 July 2019, 00:31:06
This Is one interesting promotion. Very hard to decide on to what level I would like to pay for. Lots of very interesting things to go with it. High end too much for me Low end way too low. Somewhere in between, but where for me. Need to give some thought.
 Clan Invasion Box set. What a way to enjoy yourselfs.

Decisions? Decisions? to make. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

So many add ons it is pure overload
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 18 July 2019, 00:34:55
I took the 30 dollar option, paying 40 us dollars. I hope i can get the inner sphere lance pack with that salvage box.

The inner sphere lance pack add-on is 20$ though, you'll be 10$ short. 

Yeah, the salvage pack is a single blind-boxed Clan Omnimech mini, not a chance for a full lance or star pack.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lynx on 18 July 2019, 00:39:50
Haven't backed yet. Still doing maths.

Expansion box plus 10 packs, that's a lot of things. 30/30 mechs. Looking over, it looks like I'd get doubles for about 6 packs, so I probably should pick a level that serves what I want and then add on the rest. Should also leave some out so that I can support my FLGS in the future.

To be honest, this is the kind of Kickstarter that triggers warning signs. Beyond a certain point, Kickstarters that grew too big tends to run into fulfilment problems. It's not just a skillset problem, it's just physical -- half a mil of plastic Mechs is still half a mil of plastic Mechs to sort, package and correctly deliver.

I'm sure CGL is aware and is lining up the relevant, I just want to set expectations -- earliest delivery is March 2020, for base box + two of the packs. Given how many things are here, I'm thinking.. end 2020? for total fulfilment. Nothing wrong with that, is just that backers should be aware and set expectations accordingly.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Scotty on 18 July 2019, 00:46:51
March 2020 is the listed expected delivery date for the Box set and the first two packs.  The KS page includes under shipping that each pack after the first two (so, we're up to 8 once this clears $500k) adds another month to the stretch goal delivery date.  At present, that's November 2020.  Sounds to me like CGL is aware of the work involved. :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bedwyr on 18 July 2019, 01:01:30
Cubby, I have a pretty serious question to add to your list when you're up and about in the morning. Addresses. If there will be wave splits for product delivery, how will CGL handle people needing to change addresses in the interim? Some baker systems and campaigns lock addresses at a fixed time before delivery. With wave delivery, that's not tenable if the interval is long enough. Some people simply have to move frequently.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 18 July 2019, 01:06:12
The new Crusader looks like. No ugly popeye look there, just a buffed pixie ready for action :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 18 July 2019, 01:11:41
The new Crusader looks like. No ugly popeye look there, just a buffed pixie ready for action :thumbsup:
My god, the Crusader.  THAT is the best thing out of this entire kickstarter.  And minis for it!  PXH has had enough of your ****.

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/025/844/992/88acbcb14b140344c6f915d0b4dbb5d4_original.jpg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=680&fit=max&v=1563415432&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=526533a5fce7476d5e6c306225b85d1b)

$486,640 as of just after midnight central time.  Figure it'll hit 600?

Also, some very good points made in regards to stretch goals; that's a LOT to bring together - though it certainly looks like a lot of it isn't too difficult outside of all the miniatures.

I too would like to know what kinds of restrictions there will be on canonized characters, because you know SOMEONE is going to put a Canopian catgirl mechwarrior in.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 18 July 2019, 01:17:05
I too would like to know what kinds of restrictions there will be on canonized characters, because you know SOMEONE is going to put a Canopian catgirl mechwarrior in.

As I understand it, you just pick the name, the details are all up to catalyst.

(Though I would point out that there are rules for making a Canopean Catgirl.  :P)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 18 July 2019, 01:17:49
because you know SOMEONE is going to put a Canopian catgirl mechwarrior in.

I so hope we get a character from the periphery that says this while drunk in a bar on Outreach.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Greatclub on 18 July 2019, 01:19:54
Is there a way to order multiples of a level?

Get a buddy you TRUST who has an account. Only way I know of.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Tymers Realm on 18 July 2019, 01:53:47

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/025/844/992/88acbcb14b140344c6f915d0b4dbb5d4_original.jpg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=680&fit=max&v=1563415432&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=526533a5fce7476d5e6c306225b85d1b)
If that is the WIP of the Classic Crusader, WOW!!!!!
That is got to be the best redesign of any of the Macross-inspired Classics yet! The LRM-15s moved to the Arm bundles. The Classic PHK-style jet units. Just wow...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 18 July 2019, 01:55:45
I wonder how many new stretch goals will be unlocked before Cubby wakes up.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 18 July 2019, 02:05:21
Catalyst confirmed in the commends that Beginner Box will be avail in the pledge manager at the end.

Fantastic. :)

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 18 July 2019, 02:08:26
A hair shy of 500k now, roughly 900 to go.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SCC on 18 July 2019, 02:13:15
So part of the reason I was disappointed at the lack of a painting guide is that the latest one was in SO, which is currently out of print.

Speaking of which, bit disappointed not to hardcopy rule books not among the available expansions.

As I don't have a copy of either of the previous boxsets, should I go for the Game of Armored Combat add-on, or as I already have the rules in PDF go just grab the mini set?

No sign of a metal beemer is rather strange.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 18 July 2019, 02:20:39
Wow -- half a million and it's not even been 24 hours!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bosefius on 18 July 2019, 02:25:45
Is there a way to order multiples of a level?

Multiples of a level? Not that I know of. However, through add-ons, you can add more miniatures packs as you need.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 02:30:16
some good stuff in Stretch Goals VI
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Tyler Jorgensson on 18 July 2019, 02:31:03
And I have to wait until Friday when I get paid to bankrupt myself again... I just hope they leave it up for a couple days rather than say ‘.... yeah this too much we’re gonna stop now’

But Holy Hell Batman! Half a Million in a day...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bosefius on 18 July 2019, 02:32:00
(https://i.ibb.co/2chHPbG/Clan-Invasion-Facebook-Announcement-500-K.jpg)

*Clan Invasion Kickstarter Storms Past $500K in Less Than a Day*

The BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter just broke the half-million dollar mark of funding in its first 12 hours live, blowing away all our expectations thanks to an incredible show of support by you for the game you love.

The Clan Invasion boxed set was fully funded at $30,000 in just seven minutes, unlocking a new novella from Blaine Lee Pardoe that will be delivered to all backers very soon. (https://i.ibb.co/WkrV7Gc/Rules-of-Engagement-Epub-Cover.png) Since then, hundreds of thousands of dollars in stretch goals have fallen one by one, and the total amount of funding is still climbing.

"I've been working on BattleTech for over twenty years, and playing it for over thirty," said Randall N. Bills, Managing Developer for Catalyst Game Labs. "I'm not sure I've ever seen such enthusiasm and excitement for the game and universe we all love. The targets are being knocked down quicker than we can put them up...simply brilliant." 

Throughout the day, we've shared in your excitement for the Clans' invasion of Kickstarter and delighted in your reaction to each new set of Stretch Goals, with plenty more to come. In addition, the two social media missions are nearly complete, so be sure to share the Facebook post and retweet the Twitter post from earlier today.

From the entire Catalyst Game Labs and BattleTech team, thank you for keeping faith with the Unity, and thank you for this amazing day."
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Bosefius on 18 July 2019, 02:33:17
And I have to wait until Friday when I get paid to bankrupt myself again... I just hope they leave it up for a couple days rather than say ‘.... yeah this too much we’re gonna stop now’

But Holy Hell Batman! Half a Million in a day...

Your card isn't charged until the end of the Kickstarter. Also, as far as I know, you can't end a Kickstarter early so we're here for the duration.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 18 July 2019, 03:02:06
Your card isn't charged until the end of the Kickstarter. Also, as far as I know, you can't end a Kickstarter early so we're here for the duration.
Yep, so put that money aside or something and have it back in your bank by the 17th of next month :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 18 July 2019, 03:05:39
I wonder if they can get Jeff Laubenstein back for some of the art. I would give my other pinky for him to do my character art.

With 131 GC level bids alone right now, I think they might be regretting that particular reward right now.

That is a lot of art to be done, a lot of names to be mentioned. Its doable though.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 18 July 2019, 03:08:14
So, I just checked the site and saw the level was at 450K, and was wondering if people in the comments were jumping the gun to talk about 500k, or did a bunch of backers lower their pledge levels - and then I saw Kickstarter was auto-correcting to euro, and the dollar level is 508K!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SCC on 18 July 2019, 03:08:57
So, a couple of things I forgot before: First of all KickStarter is a bit of a dick if you aren't in the US, stretch goals and the funding goal are always listed in USD, but as I'm in Aus for some reason the running total is listed in AUD.

Secondly what do the pilot cards do?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 18 July 2019, 03:10:08
With 131 GC level bids alone right now, I think they might be regretting that particular reward tight now.

That or the artists they work with can hear that good 'ol cash register sound. But yeeeeeeah thats a LOT of work for who ever's gonna be doing it.

But, saying that, they've got at least a year if not more and depending on the Mechwarrior art they go for it could just be a head/shoulders shot in black and white and those probably don't take THAT long to do. It depends on how they wanna do it, will you get random Clanner or will it be a case of you get to give details and the like. If its random Joe then it simplifies things greatly.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 18 July 2019, 03:19:59
Secondly what do the pilot cards do?

They give you piloting and gunnery skills and special pilot abilities for a mechwarrior, as well as a bit of fluff about them, the faction they're part of and what mech they pilot.  There's a bunch of them in the Beginner and Game of Armoured Combat boxes, and from the previews on the KS page the ones here will be the same format.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 18 July 2019, 03:47:14
So, a couple of things I forgot before: First of all KickStarter is a bit of a dick if you aren't in the US, stretch goals and the funding goal are always listed in USD, but as I'm in Aus for some reason the running total is listed in AUD.

Hover your mouse pointer over the two-arrow circle with a dollar sign in it, immediately to the right of the AUD total, and it will show you what the total is in USD...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 18 July 2019, 03:51:01
So we are currently at 59 new Mechs and 1 Battle Armour (not including the 9 from the Beginners and AGoAC box sets) in around 12 hours...with another 30 days and 12 hours to go, will we see ALL of the Mechs from the TRO SW and CI??? I find it hard to believe, but imagine if we did see all the Mechs from those two TRO re-sculpted and in high quality plastic!!! That would also mean that we could see new TRO's with full colour modern artwork as well, eventually :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 18 July 2019, 03:52:06
Hmm... If we can do one of the houses for the faction kit I can expand on my Davion merch from the HBS BattleTech KS lol Then I can have a jacket, hat, t-shirt, etc...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: AmBeth on 18 July 2019, 04:04:40
So I've never backed a kickstarter before, and have a question/conundrum...

I'd like all the fiction etc stretch goals, which means I need to back at Star Commander (not a problem btw). However I don't want a Clan Invasion boxed set as I don't have the time or space to give the mechs etc the treatment they deserve, I would be much happier with the Begginer's Box set and the random mech from the Ristar pledge level.

Is there any way to acheive this?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 18 July 2019, 04:05:41
Haven't backed yet. Still doing maths.

Expansion box plus 10 packs, that's a lot of things. 30/30 mechs. Looking over, it looks like I'd get doubles for about 6 packs, so I probably should pick a level that serves what I want and then add on the rest. Should also leave some out so that I can support my FLGS in the future.

To be honest, this is the kind of Kickstarter that triggers warning signs. Beyond a certain point, Kickstarters that grew too big tends to run into fulfilment problems. It's not just a skillset problem, it's just physical -- half a mil of plastic Mechs is still half a mil of plastic Mechs to sort, package and correctly deliver.

I'm sure CGL is aware and is lining up the relevant, I just want to set expectations -- earliest delivery is March 2020, for base box + two of the packs. Given how many things are here, I'm thinking.. end 2020? for total fulfilment. Nothing wrong with that, is just that backers should be aware and set expectations accordingly.

They've said the the box set is set for March 2020 while the lance and star packs will be fulfilled after that.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SCC on 18 July 2019, 04:21:27
Haven't backed yet. Still doing maths.

Expansion box plus 10 packs, that's a lot of things. 30/30 mechs. Looking over, it looks like I'd get doubles for about 6 packs, so I probably should pick a level that serves what I want and then add on the rest. Should also leave some out so that I can support my FLGS in the future.

To be honest, this is the kind of Kickstarter that triggers warning signs. Beyond a certain point, Kickstarters that grew too big tends to run into fulfilment problems. It's not just a skillset problem, it's just physical -- half a mil of plastic Mechs is still half a mil of plastic Mechs to sort, package and correctly deliver.

I'm sure CGL is aware and is lining up the relevant, I just want to set expectations -- earliest delivery is March 2020, for base box + two of the packs. Given how many things are here, I'm thinking.. end 2020? for total fulfilment. Nothing wrong with that, is just that backers should be aware and set expectations accordingly.
Someone posted a google spreadsheet over on r/battletech with the math already done for you.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Alexander Knight on 18 July 2019, 04:25:20
So I've never backed a kickstarter before, and have a question/conundrum...

I'd like all the fiction etc stretch goals, which means I need to back at Star Commander (not a problem btw). However I don't want a Clan Invasion boxed set as I don't have the time or space to give the mechs etc the treatment they deserve, I would be much happier with the Begginer's Box set and the random mech from the Ristar pledge level.

Is there any way to acheive this?

Pledge Ristar, then "Manage Your pledge" to add funds to cover the add-ons you want.  When the kickstarter ends, you should get an email for a pledge manager to let you select your add ons.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: trboturtle on 18 July 2019, 04:28:31
And As I go to bed, the total is close to $520K..... Let's see if there's another addition or two to the goods in the morning......

Craig
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 18 July 2019, 04:48:56
Ooohh! New stretch goal with Whammy IIC, Mad IIC, Hunchie IIC, Supernova and a Kodiak.

Nice!

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: worktroll on 18 July 2019, 05:06:20
And Longbow on the map at $600K! Very achievable.

Kicktraq sees us tapping out at over $14,000,000 USD. I think it's a tad ... **** actually. But we're doing good.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 18 July 2019, 05:11:40
And Longbow on the map at $600K! Very achievable.

Kicktraq sees us tapping out at over $14,000,000 USD. I think it's a tad ... **** actually. But we're doing good.

Kicktraq always over-estimate based on the first few days. Things will die down much more the next week or so. Then the final 3 days of the Kickstarter will see a major push again.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: SCC on 18 July 2019, 05:19:59
The new IS Lance is probably the first Lance or Star to actually make sense this entire project.

Question: Are the extra forces included in the Orbital Drop Stretch Goal affected by the Double Forces feature of several Reward Tiers?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charlie Tango on 18 July 2019, 05:22:06
Also something interesting to consider:  Gen Con falls right in the midst of this.  Now it's quite possible that there are Battletech fans out there who haven't heard about this KS, or people who with the new AGoAC boxed sets are going to get back into the game or try it out new.

There could well be a surge of new backers at/post Gen Con.  I will be demoing in the Catalyst booth three of the four days of GC, so I hope to get at least a feel for what the excitement/interest level is pushed to by this, and how many people who are interested in the game haven't either heard of it or chosen to back until they see some of this stuff live.  I get the feeling we working the booth might be "promoting" it a little...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 18 July 2019, 05:29:33
oh my lord at this add-on:

(https://i.imgur.com/GwNvkTw.png)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 18 July 2019, 05:29:53
Kicktraq sees us tapping out at over $14,000,000 USD. I think it's a tad ... **** actually. But we're doing good.
Kicktraq does that on every Kickstarter as it bases its average on whatever has been pledged so far. So far we've pledged over $500k in a day, so it assumes that we'll maintain that pace throughout.

We won't. Even the most successful boardgame kickstarters have the 25-day slump where nothing happens for most of the campaign. As others have said, we have to wait for the last 3 or so days for things to get interesting.

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 18 July 2019, 05:37:29
Also something interesting to consider:  Gen Con falls right in the midst of this.  Now it's quite possible that there are Battletech fans out there who haven't heard about this KS, or people who with the new AGoAC boxed sets are going to get back into the game or try it out new.

There could well be a surge of new backers at/post Gen Con.  I will be demoing in the Catalyst booth three of the four days of GC, so I hope to get at least a feel for what the excitement/interest level is pushed to by this, and how many people who are interested in the game haven't either heard of it or chosen to back until they see some of this stuff live.  I get the feeling we working the booth might be "promoting" it a little...

Yeah, that's a good point mate. No doubt from a convention of that size, you will get many interested parties, who will follow their interest up by investigating the Kickstarter if they are made aware of it (big sign at the demo table?). First impressions are critical with things like this...especially so for people who are interested but don't actually get a demo game in, the ones that stand around and have a good look, or walk by and their eyes are drawn to what is going on...lots of cool looking artwork with missiles, lasers, PPC's and empty shells spewing out of canons and lots of explosions and battle damaged Mechs, along with cool painted mini's will ensure they check out the kickstarter in their own time after the convention...that's what would work on me anyway...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 18 July 2019, 05:39:27
Question: Are the extra forces included in the Orbital Drop Stretch Goal affected by the Double Forces feature of several Reward Tiers?

Obviously I'm not privy to that information, but I would be extremely surprised if they did count towards the Double Forces...those Orbital Stretch Goals are a stand-a-lone freebie, I reckon with 99% confidence...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charlie Tango on 18 July 2019, 05:44:41
Yeah, that's a good point mate. No doubt from a convention of that size, you will get many interested parties, who will follow their interest up by investigating the Kickstarter if they are made aware of it (big sign at the demo table?). First impressions are critical with things like this...especially so for people who are interested but don't actually get a demo game in, the ones that stand around and have a good look, or walk by and their eyes are drawn to what is going on...lots of cool looking artwork with missiles, lasers, PPC's and empty shells spewing out of canons and lots of explosions and battle damaged Mechs, along with cool painted mini's will ensure they check out the kickstarter in their own time after the convention...that's what would work on me anyway...

heh, demo "table"...

You ever seen a picture of the Gen Con booth?

Half a dozen demo tables, a Giant-scale game on a section of floor (this year, Giant BattleTech!) a big sales area, display cases to show stuff off, giant standing banner signs that reach up towards the ceiling.  You think they aren't going to have signs all over promoting the heck out of the KS?  Heck I'd be surprised if there won't be a flyer or a card or something dropped in every bag of everything they sell.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 18 July 2019, 05:49:10
The real number you want to see in a Kickstarter, is the backer number...the higher that is, the more you will collect in the last 48 hour dash. A lot of people pledge a small amount and wait to see what is included in the way of freebies and/or stretch goals right towards the end and then make the final decision on how much to fork out and what items they will fork out for...if there are 3000 backers and they all spend an extra $20 in the final 48 hours, that is less than 6000 backers spending $20 each in the last 48 hours...and quite a lot of people will just hit the "Remind Me" button, which sends an automated reminder email out 48 hours prior to the end of the Kickstarter, and these people then come and check it out and decide whether or not to spend...also, CGL will pick up a lot of money that we won't know about AFTER the Kickstarter ends, because when the Pledge Manager comes out, it will give you the capacity to spend even more money, and people do. Obviously, spending money after the Kickstarter ends doesn't help reach stretch goals, though.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 18 July 2019, 05:51:07
heh, demo "table"...

You ever seen a picture of the Gen Con booth?

Half a dozen demo tables, a Giant-scale game on a section of floor (this year, Giant BattleTech!) a big sales area, display cases to show stuff off, giant standing banner signs that reach up towards the ceiling.  You think they aren't going to have signs all over promoting the heck out of the KS?  Heck I'd be surprised if there won't be a flyer or a card or something dropped in every bag of everything they sell.

That's awesome...makes me wish it was an easy thing to fly to the US to check out such a huge set-up at the convention :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 18 July 2019, 05:53:03
Heck I'd be surprised if there won't be a flyer or a card or something dropped in every bag of everything they sell.
You might even say that they timed the KS to occur right around GenCon on purpose! ;)

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Charlie Tango on 18 July 2019, 06:03:40
That's awesome...makes me wish it was an easy thing to fly to the US to check out such a huge set-up at the convention :)

And that's not including the section in the tabletop gaming area that's pretty much all BattleTech  (Shadowrun has its own space elsewhere).


I would bet KS signage and promotion will be well represented there as well
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Takiro on 18 July 2019, 06:11:24
I am pretty impressed by the response thus far and all the cool stretch goals already achieved. Loving the fact that the Homeworld Clans will get some coverage and I wonder if we will get more. There are a ton of possibilities for detailing this era I'd love to see.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: AmBeth on 18 July 2019, 06:41:51
Pledge Ristar, then "Manage Your pledge" to add funds to cover the add-ons you want.  When the kickstarter ends, you should get an email for a pledge manager to let you select your add ons.

This would be fine but some of the fiction is stated to be only available to Star Commander pledge and above, and not as an add on...decisions, decisions  :D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Xiwo Xerase on 18 July 2019, 06:57:44
Cubby, after you've had your morning coffee, a question: Are the additional Star/Lance Packs included in the Orbital Drop ($500,001) stretch goal for Star Colonel and higher are doubled under "doubled forces"?  (I suspect they're not but I wanted to confirm for planning's sake.)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lynx on 18 July 2019, 07:41:23
So, a couple of things I forgot before: First of all KickStarter is a bit of a dick if you aren't in the US, stretch goals and the funding goal are always listed in USD, but as I'm in Aus for some reason the running total is listed in AUD.
Just for clarity, stretch goals costing is usually done by the Creator, not KS; Since a lot of these projects are based in the US, they tend to be in USD. I've seen stretch goals in CDN, Euro, some weird currency.. not C-bills yet though.

As for the running total, that's on Kickstarter; the site detects your region (probably through your profile) and converts to the region's currency. It's useful to some degree, but the stretch goal issue... yeah, I get that.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 18 July 2019, 07:42:35
If you scroll down to the very bottom of the campaign page, you can select the currency the ticker is displayed in.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lynx on 18 July 2019, 07:51:21
If you scroll down to the very bottom of the campaign page, you can select the currency the ticker is displayed in.
Hmm. Never saw that. C-Bills is however, still not an option...  ;D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DEZOAT on 18 July 2019, 07:57:26
 :beer: :beer: :beer: OK. Guys what kind of beer are you drinking . Maybe send a case to you guys over there in Washington State . Well just got up got my coffee. I just spend about 20 minutes looking at the KS. July 18 2019 7:10 am ET 2835 backer and $541,548.00 as then it may change some more. Its not a full 24 hours yet and got this far WOW. Well I'm happy so far I see the Warhammer is unlock and maybe my beloved Hatchetman is at $600,000.00.  Later
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 18 July 2019, 08:06:17
I am still flabbergasted by the phenomenal success of the kickstarter.  The new minis are the most exciting thing to happen since I've been involved with BattleTech. (and by that, I mean 1988!!!)

Congrats CGL on this kickstarter.  Now go 'kick' some ass!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 18 July 2019, 08:35:23
Once that Limited editionhardback of Mechwarrior Legends is reached, I'm adding it as fast as I can to my spreadsheet (yes, I need one to get an overview of all the stuff we're getting)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lynx on 18 July 2019, 08:36:28
I'm actually a bit surprised to see the Bombardier in the next IS target. I mean, the Archer and the Longbow are both in here, I'm not so sure why the Bombardier gets in.

I supposed I could wave my DCMS flag here and suggest the Dragon, but why not an Ost- ? We really hadn't seen a redesign on those for the longest time.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RomulusDC on 18 July 2019, 08:39:24
$550k. That sweet, sweet new star unlocked.
Seriously. Is no one going to talk about the Elephant in the room?
Where is the Urbanmech?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 18 July 2019, 08:43:00
I'm actually a bit surprised to see the Bombardier in the next IS target. I mean, the Archer and the Longbow are both in here, I'm not so sure why the Bombardier gets in.

I supposed I could wave my DCMS flag here and suggest the Dragon, but why not an Ost- ? We really hadn't seen a redesign on those for the longest time.

It's in TRO: Succession Wars, I assume that's part of the decision-making process for the minis getting added.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lynx on 18 July 2019, 08:52:21
Where is the Urbanmech?
Probably in its own Lance pack.

Nay. Its own Company pack.  :P
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 08:55:41
all of the minis announced so far are found in TRO: Succession Wars or TRO: Clan Invasion except the Crusader and Longbow. a good test of what cgl is thinking for the limits of stretch goals will come after the $650k, which are the last five clan mechs in TRO: CI
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 18 July 2019, 09:03:06
all of the minis announced so far are found in TRO: Succession Wars or TRO: Clan Invasion except the Crusader and Longbow. a good test of what cgl is thinking for the limits of stretch goals will come after the $650k, which are the last five clan mechs in TRO: CI

If this Kickstarter's Mech-reveal pace keeps going at break-neck speed like it has been so far, my money udders are going to be milked bone dry, I already have chafed nipples...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: GreekFire on 18 July 2019, 09:05:03
I'm happy that CGL is finally doing a kickstarter. It's been a while coming, so I hope the team has been prepped enough so that the fulfillment process goes as smoothly as possible.

I do hope that down the road, if everything goes well, all of the volunteers who will have helped this come about will be given a bonus for their work in all of this.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PyreLight on 18 July 2019, 09:07:44
I hope Anthony Scroggins is surviving all of this with all the modeling he has to do  ;D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 18 July 2019, 09:07:56
I still think they need to do an "Eggheads" Lance:

2x Urbanmech
1x Urbanmech IIC
1x Imp

I'm actually a bit surprised to see the Bombardier in the next IS target. I mean, the Archer and the Longbow are both in here, I'm not so sure why the Bombardier gets in.
Do you want yet another Catapult? ;)

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Geont on 18 July 2019, 09:09:48
I hope Anthony Scroggins is surviving all of this with all the modeling he has to do  ;D
He and the art team are wailing how much of work they have ahead. :D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lynx on 18 July 2019, 09:12:59
Do you want yet another Catapult? ;)
Could be worse. I was actually looking at possible 65 tonners. I ended up with Jagermech...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: 00Dawg on 18 July 2019, 09:13:30
So the $600k level also opens up the Great Houses for coin and dice options. 
If you have the collector gene and you didn't reevaluate your pledge when you saw that, your Collector Midichlorian count is too low to qualify for membership in the order. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 18 July 2019, 09:13:42
We need a hunchie too :D

And yeah I bet it was a case of

"Don't worry lads, it won't be that many of those backers."

20 seconds later.

"Oh no...oh no...oh no!"

For the art team :D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: The_Livewire on 18 July 2019, 09:15:43
QUESTION: and really, who's not going to use their own name!? 

If I get the package or add on, I'd be just as likely to add my late fiance's name as mine.  She played Battletech as a kid, and we never got a chance to sit down and play ourselves.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 09:17:43
If this Kickstarter's Mech-reveal pace keeps going at break-neck speed like it has been so far, my money udders are going to be milked bone dry, I already have chafed nipples...

it's wild. when they first announced the campaign i was thinking we'd get the base five plus the two lances and two stars if things went well. now even the $600 tier has to add on packs. we're also nearly up to 20 dice options  xp

Do you want yet another Catapult? ;)

...is it a -K2?

otherwise i'm solid
x4 plastech fatapults
original daddy long legs RP sculpt
IWM C4
IWM K2
2007 and 2011 cgl box set lo-fi & 2013 box / AS Support Lance RavenPult
IWM DA sculpt
Catapult II
GoAC scroggins special
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 18 July 2019, 09:34:14
Interesting tidbit: As a thought experiment, I built a force of Beginner+AGoAC mechs vs the Clan Box. For the IS, I used 3050 variants when practical(kept the -C1 Catapult for practicality reasons), and since many of the 'main' variants described in the original TRO 3050 were -Ms, I used Marik variants when possible. For the Clan force, I stuck with Prime configs, and lasers for the Elemental Points. Here's the results:

Inner Sphere:

Battlemaster-3M
Awesome-9M
Thunderbolt-7M
Catapult-C1
Shadow Hawk-5M
Wolverine-7M (x2)
Griffin-3M
Commando-5S
Locust-3M

Clan:

Gladiator Prime
Mad Cat Prime
Black Hawk Prime
Grendel Prime
Puma Prime
Elemental (Laser) (x2)

Inner Sphere total: 13761 BV
Clan total: 13416 BV

Seems like a pretty even fight to me. And if you throw in a second Beginner Box to make it an even company, you'd probably have enough BV to improve the skills of several Clan units. :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Foxx Ital on 18 July 2019, 09:37:14
What in kerensky's name does cgl have against my bank account. I mean yes I could live without some of these mechs...but do I want to?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 18 July 2019, 09:40:15
it's wild. when they first announced the campaign i was thinking we'd get the base five plus the two lances and two stars if things went well. now even the $600 tier has to add on packs. we're also nearly up to 20 dice options  xp

...is it a -K2?

otherwise i'm solid
x4 plastech fatapults
original daddy long legs RP sculpt
IWM C4
IWM K2
2007 and 2011 cgl box set lo-fi & 2013 box / AS Support Lance RavenPult
IWM DA sculpt
Catapult II
GoAC scroggins special

I am beyond excited for all these new minis!  But for putting the Catapult in the lance pack?  I don't think that makes sense.  That mini is in the GoAC box, and it is excellent.  The evidence thus far is that the lance packs are resculpts of the TRO:SW and TRO:CI  (Crusader and Longbow as the welcome exceptions).

I doubt we'll see a Catapult in one of the lance packs, but we'll see.  My inner squeeeee is a roar right now, deafening out nearly everything else!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 09:41:21
similar parity to the pre-elemental reveal setup i had looked at with the eight GoAC mechs (no griffin) as their 3025/39 stock variants with 3/4 pilots vs the clan same star with 4/5 pilots.

now you've got me going down that rabbit hole with all the options for early invasion matchups...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 18 July 2019, 09:46:42
Cubby, I have a pretty serious question to add to your list when you're up and about in the morning. Addresses. If there will be wave splits for product delivery, how will CGL handle people needing to change addresses in the interim? Some baker systems and campaigns lock addresses at a fixed time before delivery. With wave delivery, that's not tenable if the interval is long enough. Some people simply have to move frequently.

Good question. Passed it along.

You might even say that they timed the KS to occur right around GenCon on purpose! ;)

It's kinda like that, yeah.

Cubby, after you've had your morning coffee, a question: Are the additional Star/Lance Packs included in the Orbital Drop ($500,001) stretch goal for Star Colonel and higher are doubled under "doubled forces"?  (I suspect they're not but I wanted to confirm for planning's sake.)

Asking.

Seriously. Is no one going to talk about the Elephant in the room?
Where is the Urbanmech?

I was going to joke that it's a the $10M level, but after seeing eight people buy the Full Kerensky, I'm afraid someone is going to liquidate some stock and make it happen.

all of the minis announced so far are found in TRO: Succession Wars or TRO: Clan Invasion

Both of which are books you can either buy right now, or will soon be able to.

What in kerensky's name does cgl have against my bank account. I mean yes I could live without some of these mechs...but do I want to?

Remember that most or all of this will be available eventually through normal retail and the CGL web store, except for the items clearly marked as exclusives. Not to dissuade anyone from pledging or pledging more, but my understanding at this point is that getting your hands on them won't be a one-shot deal.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 18 July 2019, 09:54:43
Good question. Passed it along.

It's kinda like that, yeah.

Asking.

I was going to joke that it's a the $10M level, but after seeing eight people buy the Full Kerensky, I'm afraid someone is going to liquidate some stock and make it happen.

Both of which are books you can either buy right now, or will soon be able to.

Remember that most or all of this will be available eventually through normal retail and the CGL web store, except for the items clearly marked as exclusives. Not to dissuade anyone from pledging or pledging more, but my understanding at this point is that getting your hands on them won't be a one-shot deal.

That's good, but even the exclusives are getting unmanageable right now.

Still...if the neoprene maps, faction dice, faction kits, museum scale models, dropship and star/lance packs and map sets will be available later, that will be a relief.

No offense, I'm glad its going well but, dangnabit, I have to live and you guys are making it just so hard...

I think I'm going to have to give up on Alpha Strike and TRO CI this month as it is, and heaven help my wallet of you have any more Jag exclusives at GenCon...the eBay scalpers usually make a killing ;)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lynx on 18 July 2019, 09:58:06
Remember that most or all of this will be available eventually through normal retail and the CGL web store, except for the items clearly marked as exclusives. Not to dissuade anyone from pledging or pledging more, but my understanding at this point is that getting your hands on them won't be a one-shot deal.
This is actually an important point. If you are gaming at a store, and they are willing to stock these products, it may be better in the long run to get some of the stuff from the store instead. In my case, there are stuff that I want doubles (or more) of, and those packs I'm likely to use this KS to get. But others, which I might be able to contain my enthusiasm for, I probably will wait for my LGS to stock/ order in for me, so that I can help sustain a locale to game in.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: norge71 on 18 July 2019, 10:06:03
This is actually an important point. If you are gaming at a store, and they are willing to stock these products, it may be better in the long run to get some of the stuff from the store instead. In my case, there are stuff that I want doubles (or more) of, and those packs I'm likely to use this KS to get. But others, which I might be able to contain my enthusiasm for, I probably will wait for my LGS to stock/ order in for me, so that I can help sustain a locale to game in.

Well said. And since I WANT THEM ALL (but can't afford them all) this helps my anxiety.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 18 July 2019, 10:14:10
Yeah, I beg of you, no more Catapults or Zeus! I've got 6 and 7 of them respectively (and will have another Catapult when the starter box arrives) and don't need any more.  :-\

So the $600k level also opens up the Great Houses for coin and dice options.
Means I can finally get some FedSun dice to go with my ancient ClickyTech Jade Falcon dice. :)

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 18 July 2019, 10:14:55
I wouldn't mind seeing the Retaliation add-on as its own retail package. Would save money for those of us that only want the minis and save GoAC for the new players.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 18 July 2019, 10:15:46
Im generally not much of an add-on type guy; and my contribution is pretty much what I can afford.

That being said, the leather bound limited edition of MechWarrior: Legends?  Total no brainer.  If you guys can tempt me with an add on, yer doing it right.

Carry on CGL.  I’m scared to think where this Kickstarter will end up in 30 days, but I’d you don’t hit 2 million easy, I’ll be shocked.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Foxx Ital on 18 July 2019, 10:27:13
Some fun facts I noticed while checking the community section of the ks, 448 of the backers including me have never backed a project before! It was also nice to see the top city's and various country's some backers are from.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: PsylockeSmythe on 18 July 2019, 10:29:33
I second this Print on Demand request if it's possible. It's so nice to have physical copies of these books.

I agree I perfer physical copies of novels over PDF.  So Print on Demand would be nice to have.

Psy

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RomulusDC on 18 July 2019, 10:33:07
This is my first Kickstarter. I hope it won’t be my last Battletech Kickstarter though.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 18 July 2019, 10:38:31
Some fun facts I noticed while checking the community section of the ks, 448 of the backers including me have never backed a project before! It was also nice to see the top city's and various country's some backers are from.

Its been a bad month for me....the TORG Aysle Kickstarter is ongoing as well
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 July 2019, 10:43:37
This is actually an important point. If you are gaming at a store, and they are willing to stock these products, it may be better in the long run to get some of the stuff from the store instead. In my case, there are stuff that I want doubles (or more) of, and those packs I'm likely to use this KS to get. But others, which I might be able to contain my enthusiasm for, I probably will wait for my LGS to stock/ order in for me, so that I can help sustain a locale to game in.

Yup, folks in my area are telling our FLGS about this and asking if they are getting involved- I want to know so I can plot my add-ons and see about pre-ordering through the FLGS so they know the plastics will sell if they go in.  I still think CGL should let the fans know what stores took the Merchant option so we can appreciate them, I have stopped in at several stores that supported BT during my travels.

I love how much is out there, and I think its going to be set to nicely stock the shelves with the basic era stuff for a while- especially if its set like the Beginners & GoAC to be  self-sustaining.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Ursus Maior on 18 July 2019, 10:56:07
Holy cow! I promised myself not to write here, because that would ultimately lead to one more time sink. But since I've been reading here for years and daily so for months, that train has rolled anyway.

This is the most exciting KS I've backed so far. What a ride!  :D

Just entered Blood Named for a total of 500 USD. Not sure where this will end for me. My personal tally puts me at 640 to get alle the boxes, Strana Mechty, the MapPack, one Fortress, several dice, one star of Elementals and the dice bag. And we're still within the first 24 hours.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 18 July 2019, 11:14:34

Still...if the neoprene maps, faction dice, faction kits, museum scale models, dropship and star/lance packs and map sets will be available later, that will be a relief.


The Fortress DropShip is currently for sale on IWM for $64.95, so if nothing else it's available wholly independent of the Kickstarter.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RomulusDC on 18 July 2019, 11:24:39
I just got the green light for Khan. We shall see.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: NeonKnight on 18 July 2019, 11:26:38
The Fortress DropShip is currently for sale on IWM for $64.95, so if nothing else it's available wholly independent of the Kickstarter.

But is this the SAME dropship or a newer redesign?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: qc mech3 on 18 July 2019, 11:28:39
I'm looking forward for the 525,000$ goal being unlocked. We may get an official construction program application out of this.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :drool:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: pheonixstorm on 18 July 2019, 11:29:36
Its already at 575k so we have that one lol
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 11:30:19
we are lunatics
(http://puu.sh/DUnlX/316f322789.png)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: kinwolf on 18 July 2019, 11:30:43
I'm looking forward for the 525,000$ goal being unlocked. We may get an official construction program application out of this.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :drool:

Actually, we get a proof of concept, but it might lead nowhere too.  Still cool since nothing seems to came out of the public call to start one.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 11:31:30
the proof of concept is for a digital record sheets program
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 July 2019, 11:35:56
Yeah, sounds like its more of a open beta . . .

and the Legends book is in
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 18 July 2019, 11:36:36
I thought I had my addons all figured out, but then catalyst added a lance pack with a longbow in it. I am compelled to have all the classics. 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 18 July 2019, 11:40:10
But is this the SAME dropship or a newer redesign?

I would be shocked if it was a redesign.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 11:43:54
I thought I had my addons all figured out, but then catalyst added a lance pack with a longbow in it. I am compelled to have all the classics.

5 remain short of plasticized glory

Ost trio, goliath, scorpion
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 July 2019, 11:46:30
Are we going to go over 600k in 24 hours?

Really feeling I am going to have to ask for forgiveness . . . and figure out some odd jobs.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Luciora on 18 July 2019, 11:47:04
Man, people still forget about the metal Ostscout that was released?   ;D. Guess that's a hallmark of a good scout!

5 remain short of plasticized glory

Ost trio, goliath, scorpion
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Scotty on 18 July 2019, 11:48:08
Man people still forget about the metal Ostscout that was released?   ;D

"Plasticized glory"  ;)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 11:48:46
not possible because every time it's mentioned it's not available in plastic at least one person reminds us
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Luciora on 18 July 2019, 11:52:11
I think the point is,  the art is already there for the Ostscout.   Many people forget it's already been redesigned.  Not much among this group I'd imagine however.

not possible because every time it's mentioned it's not available in plastic at least one person reminds us
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 July 2019, 12:14:39
You know a interesting point . . . the old Burrock fans can get merch!  Trying to remember who besides . . . Hawk? was a Burrock fan.  Now I might have to add a pair of Burrock dice.

Or am I off?  We get the 7 Invaders, but it only goes up to Homeworld Alert IV which has 2 selected Homeworld Clans (total of 8) . . . and then it opens all 5 IS Houses.  Are we really going to end up with 15 of 17 Invasion era Clans?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 12:16:33
there will almost certainly be one more stretch goal to round out all 17
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Vandervecken on 18 July 2019, 12:22:35
I would be shocked if it was a redesign.

The current IWM Fortress Dropship is apparently something of a mess. It doesn't look great on the IWM page, I've heard in person from someone who owns one that it's really quite bad.
Also, it doesn't match the aesthetic of the new Mech designs at all.
I backed Galaxy Commander (for the canon character art) but I'm not impressed with the Dropship at all.

I'm also looking for the answer to the question: Will Catalyst accept reference art for the canon character? How will canon characters with art actually be created?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 18 July 2019, 12:23:09
My only question right now is whether or not we'll hit $600,000 in the first 24 hours.

I lied.

Second question:  How many orders of magnitude greater has the turnout been than Cubby and others at CGL expected?   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Dexion on 18 July 2019, 12:24:36
So, being mostly interested in the IS resculpts (I already have the two current sets), I'm trying to figure out the best way to get the 5 lance packs without totally breaking the bank... I really wish that there was a Company Commander tier after Star Captain.  Basically an $80 tier that lets you pick 4 Lance box's or something like that and qualifies for extras.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 18 July 2019, 12:28:17
So, being mostly interested in the IS resculpts (I already have the two current sets), I'm trying to figure out the best way to get the 5 lance packs without totally breaking the bank... I really wish that there was a Company Commander tier after Star Captain.  Basically an $80 tier that lets you pick 4 Lance box's or something like that and qualifies for extras.

Same here.  It isn't for everyone, but at Star Colonel you get 5 lance packs and 5 duplicates.  So if you go fully IS, which I might, you are looking at 10 lances plus the salvage boxes, plus the extra lance I think they are throwing in a a stretch goal.  Plus everything else.

Might not be the amount you want to spend, but as Sartris noted, credit cards can carry balances.   :drool:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 12:32:54
right now you're looking at $120 for all six announced lances. you'd probably be best off buying two of each a la carte if that's what you're really interested in. A $600 currently gets you 9x2 but if you don't care about the clan box, the Strana Mechty battlemat, a canon character, or the fiction, you're probably better off just buying it outright.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: YingJanshi on 18 July 2019, 12:37:50
At this point I think the only stretch goal that would get me excited is if they do one to make all of the BattleCorps stories available again.

(Though I am super stoked we'll finally be getting the complete Founding of the Clans trilogy.)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 18 July 2019, 12:41:05
The Fortress DropShip is currently for sale on IWM for $64.95, so if nothing else it's available wholly independent of the Kickstarter.

Well...that's embarrassing. How many times have I looked at that site and never noticed it?

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 18 July 2019, 12:42:53
Still curious how they're going to handle adding in 650+ new characters from people that backed star colonel and above. This reward was my primary reason for backing at galaxy commander so I want to make sure it's worth it.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 12:44:29
without the character art tier, i think you'll end up as either a filler character in a story or a name on a roster. it's probably going to take years for the ~200 of those they're on the hook for before the $200 add-on
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: YingJanshi on 18 July 2019, 12:47:28
Still curious how they're going to handle adding in 650+ new characters from people that backed star colonel and above. This reward was my primary reason for backing at galaxy commander so I want to make sure it's worth it.

I think that they'll try to fit as many on to the Alpha Strike Pilot Cards as they can.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 18 July 2019, 12:50:45
I'm also curious if we can make small suggestions for said character. Nothing elaborate, just pick our faction and/or BattleMech that the character pilots.

It may be a bit out there, but with all these awesome dice options coming out, I wouldn't mind seeing SLDF/Periphery, including Rim Worlds, dice thrown into the mix.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 18 July 2019, 12:53:08
So, being mostly interested in the IS resculpts (I already have the two current sets), I'm trying to figure out the best way to get the 5 lance packs without totally breaking the bank... I really wish that there was a Company Commander tier after Star Captain.  Basically an $80 tier that lets you pick 4 Lance box's or something like that and qualifies for extras.

Easiest way would be to pick up what you need, and then pick up the rest from a store or online.

I would assume most/all of these packs would be available outside the kickstarter and, that being the case, it does a lot to ease my own finances.

So many boxes...so little cash

That means first priority on add ons should go to exclusive stuff such as the challenge coins. Stuff like the maps, neoprene maps, museum scale mechs, faction kits, dice sets, map tubes and so on aren't marked as exclusive so I would assume.....ASSUME....and hope they'd be available outside the Kickstarter.

I know I want as much as I can get but just the challenge coins alone would $200+ for a full set.

Then there are the two dice bags, the leatherbound book, and the other exclusives. I assume the daggerstar is free, but I hope they'd have an add on, or maybe even a personalisation option depicting a Clan.

And, of course, further options and stretch goals

 
 
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: DarkSpade on 18 July 2019, 12:53:27
without the character art tier, i think you'll end up as either a filler character in a story or a name on a roster. it's probably going to take years for the ~200 of those they're on the hook for before the $200 add-on

I'm worried it's going to be a side bar saying something like, " and the following soldiers all took part in the battle...." followed by a list of names. 

I think that they'll try to fit as many on to the Alpha Strike Pilot Cards as they can.

That would be much cooler than being in a block of names. Personally hoping for being in a book though. Notable pilot in a TRO would be awesome.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 18 July 2019, 12:56:11
Bloody hell, they're 10k short of 600k. O_O the problem I fear is that with any more stretch goals, assuming there are any, they might be stretching themselves a bit too far. There's gonna be hundreds of pics to do, as well as the designs and the like. We know Mr Scroggins has done the 3050 invasion era Clan Mechs, and we know he's working on the last of the classic NuSeen and others. But by adding more strectch goals its more to produce and more work for a fairly limited number of folks.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 18 July 2019, 13:01:10
Bloody hell, they're 10k short of 600k. O_O the problem I fear is that with any more stretch goals, assuming there are any, they might be stretching themselves a bit too far. There's gonna be hundreds of pics to do, as well as the designs and the like. We know Mr Scroggins has done the 3050 invasion era Clan Mechs, and we know he's working on the last of the classic NuSeen and others. But by adding more strectch goals its more to produce and more work for a fairly limited number of folks.

Totally agree. I wish CGL/BattleTech all the success in the world, but at some point you wonder about sustainability and delivering a good product!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 13:02:00
I'm worried it's going to be a side bar saying something like, " and the following soldiers all took part in the battle...." followed by a list of names. 

your worry is probably justified because i doubt it can be reasonably executed in a time period not measured in years any other way. all the $300 tier promises is that you'll name a character that will appear in fiction or a sourcebook. if one reads that as anything more than the briefest of cameos based on the quantity they have to deal with, one will probably be disappointed with the result. The pilot card gives some hope for more substantial placement, but there are only going to be so many of those

Bloody hell, they're 10k short of 600k. O_O the problem I fear is that with any more stretch goals, assuming there are any, they might be stretching themselves a bit too far. There's gonna be hundreds of pics to do, as well as the designs and the like. We know Mr Scroggins has done the 3050 invasion era Clan Mechs, and we know he's working on the last of the classic NuSeen and others. But by adding more strectch goals its more to produce and more work for a fairly limited number of folks.

I had the same thought about $250,000 ago   xp
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: kinwolf on 18 July 2019, 13:02:52
So, being mostly interested in the IS resculpts (I already have the two current sets), I'm trying to figure out the best way to get the 5 lance packs without totally breaking the bank... I really wish that there was a Company Commander tier after Star Captain.  Basically an $80 tier that lets you pick 4 Lance box's or something like that and qualifies for extras.

You can take the 1$ pledge and add the lances you want as add-ons.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: klarg1 on 18 July 2019, 13:03:21
Bloody hell, they're 10k short of 600k. O_O the problem I fear is that with any more stretch goals, assuming there are any, they might be stretching themselves a bit too far. There's gonna be hundreds of pics to do, as well as the designs and the like. We know Mr Scroggins has done the 3050 invasion era Clan Mechs, and we know he's working on the last of the classic NuSeen and others. But by adding more strectch goals its more to produce and more work for a fairly limited number of folks.

Yeah, they set themselves a very dense set of stretch goals on the way to the first half-million.

We just have to trust that CGL did all the planning up front so the numbers to line up when it's time for production to start.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 13:05:32
watching the stretch goals pile up makes me think of a street performer spinning plates. the more money people put in his hat, the more plates he spins. the crowd is wildly impressed by all the plates, but slowly becomes morbidly curious as to how he plans to keep them all going
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: kinwolf on 18 July 2019, 13:10:41
Well, to me, those stretch goals all seems to have been though before the KS, so they must have taken into account what each would represent workwise. (hopefully!  :P)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 18 July 2019, 13:14:15
Still curious how they're going to handle adding in 650+ new characters from people that backed star colonel and above. This reward was my primary reason for backing at galaxy commander so I want to make sure it's worth it.

Star Colonels get a canon character.
Based on past efforts, I would assume you'd pick a name and it'd be mentioned....somewhere.

You'd be a Mechwarrior in Genetic Unit A, or a passerby suddenly asked for his opinion on the latest match in S7. Maybe you'd be the father of current hero Hero McHeroic or his best friend  or her mentor or an ancestor.

Or a pet poodle.

Galaxy Commanders are likely to be more involved. They get a character name and MechWarrior custom art meaning we are possibly looking at the next batch of pilot cards....and (possibly) a more involved backstory for a few. Others would probably see their likeness crop up in art, with just a nameplate and no text.

Not quite "generic citizen A" but close.

We also have Hope and Glory IV...the "new channel" to honour the backers...and Hope and Glory I, II and III which will see characters needed for a short story, novella and novel so lots of potential there as well.

Now, personally I'd be happy with a short bio somewhere and I know players don't need to see my ugly mug but there does seem to be a fair few options, but I suspect only a few will be "meaningful" and most of those would be for the Khan's.
 



Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 18 July 2019, 13:16:04
Yeah, they set themselves a very dense set of stretch goals on the way to the first half-million.

We just have to trust that CGL did all the planning up front so the numbers to line up when it's time for production to start.

Seyla.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Talen5000 on 18 July 2019, 13:16:11
I'm also curious if we can make small suggestions for said character. Nothing elaborate, just pick our faction and/or BattleMech that the character pilots.

It may be a bit out there, but with all these awesome dice options coming out, I wouldn't mind seeing SLDF/Periphery, including Rim Worlds, dice thrown into the mix.

It would be a nice touch, but a bit unrealistic. I don't think it'd be something they can guarantee.

It might be a nice option to have...push a name, faction, era and a short bio and if it can be accommodated, then they might see what they can do.

But with almost 200 GCs and Khan's at just Day 2, even that would be unrealistic. I know I'd like the option of doing so, but I suspect it would be wasted effort. Fun but wasted.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 13:16:37
Dealing with all the vendors to pull everything together is not unlike Bruce lee fighting an army of Kung fu warriors while also watching your sister’s cats. A plan will make that easier but it’s still a question of how many times, not if,  you’re going to get punched in the face
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 18 July 2019, 13:17:42
It would be a nice touch, but a bit unrealistic. I don't think it'd be something they can guarantee.
which is what makes me kinda glad i didn't have the budget for that option.. as cool as it would be to canonize my HBS Battletech character, the agent of clan wolverine. :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 13:19:05
I talked myself into the +warrior art tier so y’all definitely are getting all of this ugly in your face.

I do not apologize
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 July 2019, 13:21:10
a break down of fiction would be . . .

August-  Proliferation Cycle, 6 stories
Dec 2019-  Founding of the Clans I & maybe II?
2020-  Founding of the Clans III
TBD/August?-  1 Hour goal short story
TBD-  Honor & Glory I, II, III featuring backer characters in short stories
TBD-  H&G IV serial featuring backer character

So . . . FotC III has a opening for you to be named since from what I can find it was never written, the short story goal, while H&G I/II/III/IV will feature a backer as the POV character, there is a good chance for them to be sprinkled in.  I would say if you have a female name, its more likely to be included sooner.

I wonder what sort of bid they would get for  . . . "Be the character whose mech 'accidentally' steps on Malvina Hazen after she ejects from her Shrike."

marauder 648, if you notice the only things promised to be delivered in 2020 is some of the early stretch goals- for instance if you selected the Clan Command Star Box, Inner Sphere Command Lance Box (with Salvage Box), and did a Add-On of the Support Star . . . the Command boxes are going to be what is slated to be pushed out March 2020.  The Support Star along with any other mech boxes from the 210k stretch onward do not seem to be in the same state of readiness and so they might not be available to be shipped when the Invasion Expansion Box, Command Lance/Star, Battle Lance, Striker Star and Elemental Star.

Cubby, more Salvage Box questions . . . is it just Clan or is it also IS?  Will they be from the Invasion Box, Battle Lance & Striker Star if its just from the Clan mechs?

Stretch Goals
I think they are reasonably well thought out, nothing to me is offered outside their wheelhouse EXCEPT maybe the the Tac Case.  So its not like they are offering us faction specific beer steins as a add on, its all either variations of what they currently do (fiction, maps, sourcebooks), what they arrange for Cons (dice, coins, t-shirts), or what they have vendor relationships for (IWM for metal figs, the coin/dice guys).  We already have 'in dev' line art from Scroggins, and authors pinned down on certain bits of fiction so IMO they were already lined up before hand.  I think Spring 2020 for delivery of the 200k & under goals is probably them being conservative . . . and yeah, I may have to wait a bit longer than that for my Support Star box but it will be worth it.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: marauder648 on 18 July 2019, 13:25:17
Indeed, there's lots of time, a year + :) And yeah if we have to wait, then we wait.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 18 July 2019, 13:35:13
It would be a nice touch, but a bit unrealistic. I don't think it'd be something they can guarantee.

It might be a nice option to have...push a name, faction, era and a short bio and if it can be accommodated, then they might see what they can do.

But with almost 200 GCs and Khan's at just Day 2, even that would be unrealistic. I know I'd like the option of doing so, but I suspect it would be wasted effort. Fun but wasted.

Oh, I know. It's wishful thinking on my part, but one can dream :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Valkerie on 18 July 2019, 13:38:04
Nearing $600,000... :D :D :D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: RogueK on 18 July 2019, 13:39:52
So for the salvage box mechs, they specify that they are omnimechs, but will the mechs they are picked from be limited to the first couple of sets (So availible early, but fairly limited in types), or every omnimech in the star sets so far (So availible late and entire selection enters roulette) ?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Azakael on 18 July 2019, 13:41:19
I wouldn't mind seeing the Retaliation add-on as its own retail package. Would save money for those of us that only want the minis and save GoAC for the new players.

This. I want one AGoAC box set for the maps, but after that, I just want more minis. I don't need the rest of the stuff.

Yup, folks in my area are telling our FLGS about this and asking if they are getting involved- I want to know so I can plot my add-ons and see about pre-ordering through the FLGS so they know the plastics will sell if they go in.  I still think CGL should let the fans know what stores took the Merchant option so we can appreciate them, I have stopped in at several stores that supported BT during my travels.

I love how much is out there, and I think its going to be set to nicely stock the shelves with the basic era stuff for a while- especially if its set like the Beginners & GoAC to be  self-sustaining.

I know that if I controlled the finances here at work, you can bet your sweet bippy I would have backed this one as a retailer.

However, we got burned by the DUST Tactics Kickstarter, and the boss said, "Never again."
But as soon as SKUs show up on my Distributors' sites, I can guarantee you that pre-orders are going in immediately.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 18 July 2019, 13:42:27
One thing that occurs to me as a possible stretch goal is adding faction dice and challenge coins for Comstar, the FRR, and the SIC.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Kles on 18 July 2019, 13:42:54
I won’t mind all the lance/star picks being spread out. Extra packages delivered throughout the year rather than all at once. And more time to paint them all (he says as he looks at the pile of unpainted minis from various games)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Scotty on 18 July 2019, 13:46:49
I won’t mind all the lance/star picks being spread out. Extra packages delivered throughout the year rather than all at once. And more time to paint them all (he says as he looks at the pile of unpainted minis from various games)

This is horrifically more expensive to ship than one box.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: mrbooth on 18 July 2019, 13:50:51
$600k damn we rock
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 18 July 2019, 13:51:03
Boom! 600k stretch goal reached. Man, this is something to watch. I'm amazed.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 18 July 2019, 13:52:41
Ladies and gentlemen...and battletech players...that's a Longbow.  As well as Great House challenge coin/dice.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Pat Payne on 18 July 2019, 13:54:21
Ladies and gentlemen...and battletech players...that's a Longbow.  As well as Great House challenge coin/dice.

Marik dice, Marik challenge coin, Marik faction pack... So. Much. Purple.  :drool:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Weirdo on 18 July 2019, 14:02:10
Still curious how they're going to handle adding in 650+ new characters from people that backed star colonel and above. This reward was my primary reason for backing at galaxy commander so I want to make sure it's worth it.

During a major operation, an Urbanmech accidentally gets ejected from a DropShip, and an Overlord slams into it at relativistic speed. We get a piece of art with a casualty list. ;)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: norge71 on 18 July 2019, 14:11:16
One thing that occurs to me as a possible stretch goal is adding faction dice and challenge coins for Comstar, the FRR, and the SIC.

FRR YES!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: kinwolf on 18 July 2019, 14:13:56
Over 3000 backers is so awesome!  Of course, not a single player around here  >:( (But I'm training my oldest!)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: MarauderD on 18 July 2019, 14:15:24
We need another set of stretch goals. 

Maybe just tone it down to every $75k now, so things are more sustainable?  Or does that go against proven kickstarter strategy?

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 14:32:42
At a certain point they’re going to run out of stuff to put in the wagon, right? Right?  As others have pointed out, KS campaigns tend to collect the most backers in the first and last 72 hours. See where the pace is at come this weekend and space accordingly
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: kinwolf on 18 July 2019, 14:40:51
The facebook stretch goal is also completed.  522 shares at the moment
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Foxx Ital on 18 July 2019, 14:41:17
Next goal will be dinner plates, scoop them up like max!!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: sadlerbw on 18 July 2019, 14:43:02
I don't yet see a stretch goal for a museum scale Urbanmech? Why don't I see this yet? I need to be seeing this...I really, really do. I will up my pledge to Khan if you make a museum-scale Urbie with new art.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: marauder648 on 18 July 2019, 14:48:35
Next goal will be dinner plates, scoop them up like max!!

Heheh :D  :D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Weirdo on 18 July 2019, 14:50:33
I don't yet see a stretch goal for a museum scale Urbanmech? Why don't I see this yet? I need to be seeing this...I really, really do. I will up my pledge to Khan if you make a museum-scale Urbie with new art.

As I understand, that's already for sale at Ikea. :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Ogra_Chief on 18 July 2019, 15:00:52
Amazing.  :)

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Congrats CGL.

Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: BirdofPrey on 18 July 2019, 15:48:44
Probably not a good idea to just keep adding more and more stretch goals.
Scope creep is the death of many a project.

Holy crap, though, good to see this getting funded.  I'm all for more minis, and Scroggins has been doing some great redesigns (thought the Grendel among the first wave omnimechs showcases my biggest beef with BT art in that it's never had any real cohesive design, even after a redesign, it still has to resemble the old version, so there's a case of one of these things is not like the other going on)

On another note, any chance there will be a way to get unassembled minis?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 18 July 2019, 15:52:50
Cubby said yesterday that they already had the stretch goals planned out before the launch, they're just not posting all of them at once.

As far as the design aesthetic goes, when you have dozens of different designs spread out (in-universe) over a period of a century, by dozens of different designers that each have their own ideas on what to do, then yes, it makes sense that you won't end up with a very cohesive single aesthetic.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: PyreLight on 18 July 2019, 15:57:24
I wonder what the Mechwarrior Legends hardback will go for. That one is probably my most anticipated item of this entire Kickstarter.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 16:08:08
$70-80 I would say for the leatherbound LE. $50 for the hopefully eventual standard hardcover
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: worktroll on 18 July 2019, 16:11:19
Interesting statistics:

Quote
Where Backers Come From
London  United Kingdom 37 backers
Melbourne  Australia 36 backers
Chicago  United States 34 backers
Sydney  Australia 33 backers
Los Angeles  United States 32 backers
Seattle  United States 29 backers
Madrid  Spain 28 backers
Denver  United States 24 backers
Toronto  Canada 20 backers
Singapore  Singapore 20 backers


Top Countries
United States 2,075 backers
Canada 233 backers
United Kingdom 211 backers
Germany 155 backers
Australia 147 backers
Spain 76 backers
Ireland 23 backers
Poland 20 backers
Singapore 20 backers
New Zealand 17 backers

Who'd have thunk Melbourne and Sydney were #2 and #4 respectively!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: sadlerbw on 18 July 2019, 16:12:57
As I understand, that's already for sale at Ikea. :)

Yeah, but that's, like, based on the OLD art! I want a modern take on the trash ca...uh, I mean UrbanMech!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Pat Payne on 18 July 2019, 16:13:45
Interesting statistics:

Who'd have thunk Melbourne and Sydney were #2 and #4 respectively!

Given where FASA was originally based, Chicago being the biggest source of US backers is fitting.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: BlCharger on 18 July 2019, 16:15:26
FRR YES!

You know, I'm a little surprised the FRR isn't an option now that the Houses are unlocked. The poor FRR was all but destroyed by the Clans those first couple of years of the invasion.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: NeonKnight on 18 July 2019, 16:17:59
Interesting statistics:

Who'd have thunk Melbourne and Sydney were #2 and #4 respectively!

How did you get those stats? Interested to see the numbers from Vancouver Canada
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: marauder648 on 18 July 2019, 16:19:21
23 of us in Ireland :D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 16:19:41
It’s under community
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: worktroll on 18 July 2019, 16:21:03
How did you get those stats? Interested to see the numbers from Vancouver Canada

The Community tab on the KS page, that's all. And Vancouver is close to Seattle, and isn't one of the computer game companies based in Vancouver? I may be wrong.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 16:22:35
EA and Relic have offices there
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: VensersRevenge on 18 July 2019, 16:28:11
Cool to see Canada in second, and my original home city so high. I went in or Bloodnamed, and am currently trying to convince myself university tuition is more important than becoming a Star Colonel. I am extremely happy to see how ell this is doing.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: NeonKnight on 18 July 2019, 16:30:31
The Community tab on the KS page, that's all. And Vancouver is close to Seattle, and isn't one of the computer game companies based in Vancouver? I may be wrong.

Yes, PGI (MWO) is in DownTown Vancouver....about 5 blocks from my Office (when I go into the office)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: worktroll on 18 July 2019, 16:30:59
I've been toying with upgrading too, but you may get better value for money adding lance/star packs after the KS closes via the kickstarter. It's not like the KS is under threat of not making the vig ... Depends what you're looking for (minis! All the minis! for me)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Cubby on 18 July 2019, 16:31:56
Cubby, I have a pretty serious question to add to your list when you're up and about in the morning. Addresses. If there will be wave splits for product delivery, how will CGL handle people needing to change addresses in the interim? Some baker systems and campaigns lock addresses at a fixed time before delivery. With wave delivery, that's not tenable if the interval is long enough. Some people simply have to move frequently.

I'm told that this is a bit tricky, but a known problem with KS's with fulfillment that occurs over a timespan of a few months. The answer is that there may have to be a second shipping recompile after the first wave of fulfillment. Management is talking to the pledge manager about it, to gain some insight on how it'll be handled.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Vandervecken on 18 July 2019, 16:34:31
Any news for the Stone Rhino and the Night Gyr? Maybe in the next Star Pack?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: abou on 18 July 2019, 16:34:50
Given where FASA was originally based, Chicago being the biggest source of US backers is fitting.
Then where are all the players?!

Hopefully that will change then!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Cubby on 18 July 2019, 16:35:47
Someone asked about dice bags - the answer is that there will be two, one Clan and one IS.

All, bear with me as I try to keep up. I may not always be able to give a personalized answer with the original post quoted anymore. I generally can't get answers right away, and the posts on this thread alone are coming so fast that I almost always get a notification that two more responses were posted in the time it took me to write just this much.

We're catching what we can, but understand that you may have to be patient, and ask more than once. Thanks.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 July 2019, 16:39:32
Questions have flowed . . . maybe not as fast as the money but . . .

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Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: sadlerbw on 18 July 2019, 16:45:01
Two things: CGL had dice bags for sale at Origins. I'll see if I can remember to grab a pic of the one I bought there and upload it, assuming it is the same one that will be part of the KS.

Second, I just updated my mini-counter spreadsheet, and without any add-ons CGL is now up to needing a minimum of 93,885 minis! That includes the $500k orbital drop reward. With add-ons, it will probably be significantly more! Way to go!

At this point, I'd be fine with CGL backing off the other rewards and only having minis at the 50k and 100k increments as stretch goals. Or just letting it ride without more stretch goals...other than my museum-scale Urbie. I still NEED that!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: BlCharger on 18 July 2019, 16:52:25
Two things: CGL had dice bags for sale at Origins. I'll see if I can remember to grab a pic of the one I bought there and upload it, assuming it is the same one that will be part of the KS.

Second, I just updated my mini-counter spreadsheet, and without any add-ons CGL is now up to needing a minimum of 93,885 minis! That includes the $500k orbital drop reward. With add-ons, it will probably be significantly more! Way to go!

At this point, I'd be fine with CGL backing off the other rewards and only having minis at the 50k and 100k increments as stretch goals. Or just letting it ride without more stretch goals...other than my museum-scale Urbie. I still NEED that!

I'm reasonably sure that is more BattleMechs than all of the Great Houses, Comstar, Periphery, Pirates, and all of the Clans fielded combined in 3050.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 18 July 2019, 16:57:54
Two things: CGL had dice bags for sale at Origins. I'll see if I can remember to grab a pic of the one I bought there and upload it, assuming it is the same one that will be part of the KS.

The KS page says they will be "created exclusively for this kickstarter, and will never be offered again".
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Hayden. on 18 July 2019, 16:58:07
Holding out the tiniest sliver of hope that we see even a little St. Ives merch out of this.  It's era-appropriate... ;)

And if not, I'm still excited.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 18 July 2019, 16:58:32
During a major operation, an Urbanmech accidentally gets ejected from a DropShip, and an Overlord slams into it at relativistic speed. We get a piece of art with a casualty list. ;)
So, pic attached then.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Post by: Ursus Maior on 18 July 2019, 16:59:14
I thought I had my addons all figured out, but then catalyst added a lance pack with a longbow in it. I am compelled to have all the classics.
Yeah, same here. My "gimme, gimme list" sums up to 685 USD. That is beyond what I want to spend. But then: Today is my birthday plus it's not going to be pay day for one more month.

So I'm doubly excused, right?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 18 July 2019, 17:18:05
And the 7th tier of stretch goals is up.  That's some cool looking stuff.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Weirdo on 18 July 2019, 17:27:45
Premium record sheets don't interest me that much, but that Initiative Deck? THAT sounds fun!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 18 July 2019, 17:33:51
it'll save me from using a regular deck of cards

Or occasionally a Love Letter set.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 17:50:40
Hopefully these will last longer than a day 

I’d rather the IS lances continue to scrogify the 3025/3039 set but the clan star caught my eye with the vixen and peregrine. The solitaire gives the star a near civil war feel

Yes to the initiative deck.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 July 2019, 17:51:53
Warhammer Turntable?  Is that like the Timberwolf one above?

And after the Warhammer lance, I was eh about them . . . but the Berserker lance?  Oh yeah, save me from having to build mechs of fiddly-bits.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Cubby on 18 July 2019, 17:58:44
There have been multiple questions about which Mechs will be in the Salvage Boxes.

They will be drawn from the Clan Invasion box set and the first two to four Clan Star Packs scheduled for production. Basically, the ones that are done or will be done in time for the first wave of fulfillment.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Cubby on 18 July 2019, 18:00:58
First Twitter Social Media Mission Complete - Image Gallery 1 unlocked

As promised, here's the design gallery for a trio of redesigned BattleMechs, the reward for achieving the first Twitter Social Media Mission! Retweet the post pinned to the top of our Twitter profile a total of 500 times to unlock more!

https://twitter.com/CGL_BattleTech/status/1151974068708675585
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: BlCharger on 18 July 2019, 18:05:56
First Twitter Social Media Mission Complete - Image Gallery 1 unlocked

As promised, here's the design gallery for a trio of redesigned BattleMechs, the reward for achieving the first Twitter Social Media Mission! Retweet the post pinned to the top of our Twitter profile a total of 500 times to unlock more!

https://twitter.com/CGL_BattleTech/status/1151974068708675585

Oh, mama mia! That Mad Dog is gorgeous.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: YingJanshi on 18 July 2019, 18:09:32
Damn...that Banshee looks killer!!!  :drool: :drool:


And what do you think about the Wolf's Dragoons origin story novel?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: BlCharger on 18 July 2019, 18:13:54
I think it will be interesting to see how the Dragoons formed and trained to fight in ways they were not used to, how Natasha Kerensky joined, see how the other Clans reacted to the proposal. Maybe we'll even get a Cranston Snord cameo with little Rhonda.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: SCC on 18 July 2019, 18:30:34
Interesting statistics:

Who'd have thunk Melbourne and Sydney were #2 and #4 respectively!
Hopefully this provides CGL to set up a distro center here is Aus to keep shipping prices down (They've got about 45 days to figure out shipping costs)

I find it strange that there is no FedCom faction option.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Ogra_Chief on 18 July 2019, 18:39:06
I think it will be interesting to see how the Dragoons formed and trained to fight in ways they were not used to, how Natasha Kerensky joined, see how the other Clans reacted to the proposal. Maybe we'll even get a Cranston Snord cameo with little Rhonda.

Again, why no love for the Pony Soldiers, ELH? The Dragoons were filthy Clanner spies. Why does everyone forget this.

P.O.N.Y. SOLDIERS, keepers of the Hope that was the Star League. Not those techno-savages.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Empyrus on 18 July 2019, 18:42:21
Ugh, the art looks too much like MWO's art. Yes yes, in-dev stuff.

At least the classics all look good so far.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Ruger on 18 July 2019, 18:43:01
First Twitter Social Media Mission Complete - Image Gallery 1 unlocked

As promised, here's the design gallery for a trio of redesigned BattleMechs, the reward for achieving the first Twitter Social Media Mission! Retweet the post pinned to the top of our Twitter profile a total of 500 times to unlock more!

https://twitter.com/CGL_BattleTech/status/1151974068708675585

Holy...now I may have to rethink how many Inner Sphere Heavy Lances I want...

Ruger
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Doom on 18 July 2019, 18:50:27
Again, why no love for the Pony Soldiers, ELH? The Dragoons were filthy Clanner spies. Why does everyone forget this.

P.O.N.Y. SOLDIERS, keepers of the Hope that was the Star League. Not those techno-savages.

The fact that the Dragoons were scouting for the Clan Invasion, and this campaign is for the Clan Invasion box set, probably has something to do with it.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 18 July 2019, 18:52:22
Catalyst, could you please stop releasing so many awesome-looking new minis for this?  There are only so may packs I can afford to get!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 18:58:07
The fact that the Dragoons were scouting for the Clan Invasion, and this campaign is for the Clan Invasion box set, probably has something to do with it.

S Y N E R G Y

Catalyst, could you please stop releasing so many awesome-looking new minis for this?  There are only so may packs I can afford to get!

The banshee is ridiculous
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Talen5000 on 18 July 2019, 19:03:21
Any news for the Stone Rhino and the Night Gyr? Maybe in the next Star Pack?

I think I could support an unPhoenixed StoneRhino.

I'm not a fan of the redesign.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: SCC on 18 July 2019, 19:04:14
The Tukayyid Premium Battlemaps are double sided, right? That's why there's a bonus 8th map?

Also would anyone else surprised if there would be another map added to the pack so you don't have to have two copies of Stana Mechty map to get the circle of equals map?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: pheonixstorm on 18 July 2019, 19:06:07
For 500 backers this is their first kickstarter. Good for them! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: BlCharger on 18 July 2019, 19:11:49
I've never really been tempted to join in on a Kickstarter campaign. However, when I saw Catalyst was creating one for Battletech, I had to jump in with both feet and into the deep end of the pool.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Ogra_Chief on 18 July 2019, 19:13:44
S Y N E R G Y

Or bias. I already know how awesomely awesome the Dragoons are. My Jade Falcon heart yearns for less wolves.

How about a story or stories from the FRR perspective, which we never really got. FRR could use some love. Desperate holding actions, bitter defeats, despair; you know something different. Rather than more wolves. Just throwing it out there.

I'm in full support of an updated Stone Rhino mini.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: norge71 on 18 July 2019, 19:15:39
I think I could support an unPhoenixed StineRhino.

I'm not a fan of the redesign.

Ditto
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 19:18:08
Or bias. I already know how awesomely awesome the Dragoons are. My Jade Falcon heart yearns for less wolves.

How about a story or stories from the FRR perspective, which we never really got. FRR could use some love. Desperate holding actions, bitter defeats, despair; you know something different. Rather than more wolves. Just throwing it out there.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I just don’t care that much so you can be right. Whatever the focus I’m not a huge stackpole fan
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Dulahan on 18 July 2019, 19:29:56
Score!  I can actually get some Snow Raven dice and such!
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 18 July 2019, 19:32:54
@ Cubby

1 - Could you kindly investigate the possibility of having the 5 x Clan Mechs from the Clan Invasion Box Set, made available separately as a Clan Star add-on (similar to how you have done so for the Beginner and AGoAC Box Sets), so that those who wish to have multiples of those Mechs, can do so without having to purchase multiple Clan Invasion Box Sets...I imagine that there are a significant amount of people who would like to be able to purchase multiples of the Timber Wolf.

2 - Could you guys also investigate the possibility of having a fulfilment centre in Australia to service backers from Australia and New Zealand more reasonably in terms of shipping costs. Having the pledges freight-shipped from China to a fulfilment centre in Australia to then be distributed to us down here, would be cheaper for us than having them freight-shipped to the US and then air-mailed to us down here.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: SteveRestless on 18 July 2019, 19:34:46
Question.

I guess I had made some assumptions that aren't necessarily warranted. I had been assuming that I was getting a Clan Character name canonized, since the focus was on the clans with this kickstarter (clan omnis, clan ranks for tiers, etc). Is it equally likely that I would wind up some filthy spheroid?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 18 July 2019, 19:36:59
Who'd have thunk Melbourne and Sydney were #2 and #4 respectively!

Probably due to Australia's population base being more concentrated in the major cities (especially the East Coast) than other countries...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: .RL on 18 July 2019, 19:40:19
Interesting statistics:

Who'd have thunk Melbourne and Sydney were #2 and #4 respectively!

I'm more shocked by Madrid frankly, seeing how there's really no BT products released in Spanish that I am aware of.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Alexander Knight on 18 July 2019, 19:43:30
Question.

I guess I had made some assumptions that aren't necessarily warranted. I had been assuming that I was getting a Clan Character name canonized, since the focus was on the clans with this kickstarter (clan omnis, clan ranks for tiers, etc). Is it equally likely that I would wind up some filthy spheroid?

Speaking as an equally non-informed person, I do believe they said you could provide input about what you wanted your canon char to be, and they'd try to make that work.  So....maybe not SaKhan, but a Clanner?  Likely.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Doom on 18 July 2019, 19:44:28
Question.

I guess I had made some assumptions that aren't necessarily warranted. I had been assuming that I was getting a Clan Character name canonized, since the focus was on the clans with this kickstarter (clan omnis, clan ranks for tiers, etc). Is it equally likely that I would wind up some filthy spheroid?

It seems equally likely to me. The IS is the enemy, so they need names, too. Maybe they should add another level at a higher rate to choose specific details from a limited range or something.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Empyrus on 18 July 2019, 19:49:41
I'd imagine the canon character thing will be like something where one fills out a form for "name, occupation (select option), nationality/culture, etc.", and CGL will then use those in places they find appropriate.
I highly doubt folks get to chance to write an elaborate background for themselves, or make themselves big deals within the Inner Sphere.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Fat Guy on 18 July 2019, 19:49:53
Well, I've upped to Star Colonel and that may be it for me. 95 percent of this will eventually be available for retail, and I'm not seeing any major savings on most of it to justify getting it all at once through the Kickstarter. $20/25 looks close to retail for the lance/star packs. Double forces is a nice bonus, but I'd like to be able to choose two different packs instead of getting two of the same. The map packs and battlemats are the same price as the last ones.


I have to see if the leather-bound version of Legends is Kickstarter exclusive, if so it'll be my last add-on.


I think my 6 'Mech packs will be the Command Lance, Battle Lance, Direct Fire Lance, Fire Star, Support Star and Heavy Battle Star.


I'd love to get one of everything, but I'm not made of money unfortunately.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: SteveRestless on 18 July 2019, 19:51:21
Speaking as an equally non-informed person, I do believe they said you could provide input about what you wanted your canon char to be, and they'd try to make that work.  So....maybe not SaKhan, but a Clanner?  Likely.

Yeah, I don't expect to pick ranks, but my enthusiasm decreases if I'm totally rudderless on faction. It's such an important part of battletech to me.

I'd imagine the canon character thing will be like something where one fills out a form for "name, occupation (select option), nationality/culture, etc.", and CGL will then use those in places they find appropriate.
I highly doubt folks get to chance to write an elaborate background for themselves, or make themselves big deals within the Inner Sphere.

I Don't expect any of that really. I just don't want to wind up in a faction I loathe is all.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: worktroll on 18 July 2019, 20:08:48
1 - Could you kindly investigate the possibility of having the 5 x Clan Mechs from the Clan Invasion Box Set, made available separately as a Clan Star add-on (similar to how you have done so for the Beginner and AGoAC Box Sets), so that those who wish to have multiples of those Mechs, can do so without having to purchase multiple Clan Invasion Box Sets...I imagine that there are a significant amount of people who would like to be able to purchase multiples of the Timber Wolf.

Not Cubby, but the Clan Star Pack addon is "one Clan star Pack from any packs unlocked in the campaign". The power of Cubby transcends time! :D

Yep, I decided not to go jump a level, I'll use the cash to add mini packs. ALL the minis. This will be ... expensive. But worth it.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Talen5000 on 18 July 2019, 20:09:51
Speaking as an equally non-informed person, I do believe they said you could provide input about what you wanted your canon char to be, and they'd try to make that work.  So....maybe not SaKhan, but a Clanner?  Likely.

That'd be great....if true.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Talen5000 on 18 July 2019, 20:13:32
I'd imagine the canon character thing will be like something where one fills out a form for "name, occupation (select option), nationality/culture, etc.", and CGL will then use those in places they find appropriate.
I highly doubt folks get to chance to write an elaborate background for themselves, or make themselves big deals within the Inner Sphere.

Fortunately, my character is already a big deal so I don't have to worry about that.

Seriously, you're probably right. I wonder how many people will attach a short bio anyway ;)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Empyrus on 18 July 2019, 20:17:32
Fortunately, my character is already a big deal so I don't have to worry about that.

Seriously, you're probably right. I wonder how many people will attach a short bio anyway ;)

If people get to do their thing, i reckon we'll see a lot of Khan-killers or mercenary lords who conquered hundreds of systems with a lance of 'Mechs, or other shit like that.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 18 July 2019, 20:18:05
I wonder if they'd take the name "Chimkin McNuggnugg" for a character name. Maybe if Loren Coleman were making the decision.

(I joke of course. If I had the extra money to spend on getting to name a character, I'd much rather spend it on lance packs)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Lynx on 18 July 2019, 20:19:51
Huh. Where did the Sarabus come from? I know I saw the design before, but it's somehow not searchable in MUL, so I'm sort of drawing a blank.

EDIT: Oh wait, is it the Scarabus? If so, typo in the stretch goals.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Empyrus on 18 July 2019, 20:20:53
Huh. Where did the Sarabus come from? I know I saw the design before, but it's somehow not searchable in MUL, so I'm sort of drawing a blank.
Scarabus, not Sarabus.
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=scarabus
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Lynx on 18 July 2019, 20:23:16
Scarabus, not Sarabus.
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=scarabus
Yeah, broaden my search a little and found it. Seems to be a typo in the stretch goals.

.... can we rename that design to commemorate the KS?  ;D
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: SteveRestless on 18 July 2019, 20:34:13
I wonder if the Phantom, Pouncer, Linebacker and Naga are anywhere waiting for us in future stretch goals?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Scotty on 18 July 2019, 20:35:12
I wonder if the Phantom, Pouncer, Linebacker and Naga are anywhere waiting for us in future stretch goals?

Before today I'd have pointed out that they're not in TRO: Clan Invasion.

Then we got the Star with the Pack Hunter, Peregrine, Horned Owl, Solitaire, and Incubus, and I don't know what's real anymore.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 18 July 2019, 20:38:19
Hey! Look at that. A 'Mech I don't own already. The Berserker pack is great, and I don't own a Scarbarus. I wonder if the FS Omni will actually have the sword?

Who'd have thunk Melbourne and Sydney were #2 and #4 respectively!
It's sad that Melbourne is beating Sydney. My home town should never be below that place! :D

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Cubby on 18 July 2019, 20:46:32
Not Cubby, but the Clan Star Pack addon is "one Clan star Pack from any packs unlocked in the campaign". The power of Cubby transcends time!

No, hang on. I know what he’s asking here—can the five Mechs from the Clan Invasion boxed set be their own Star Pack-priced add-on, without having to buy the whole box again. That has NOT been determined at this time.

It’s been a very common request since we went live. I’ll ping management again on it.

Re: Aus/NZ fulfillment - I don’t know who / how the company is contracted with at the moment to do fulfillment, but I’ll pass along the request.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: BerserkMech on 18 July 2019, 20:47:36
The oversized metal statues stretch goals feel strange,as they are of no practical value to me. I'd rather have something I can use directly in the game. How about more free "Salvage Boxes", please?   ;)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 18 July 2019, 20:55:59
Re: Aus/NZ fulfillment - I don’t know who / how the company is contracted with at the moment to do fulfillment, but I’ll pass along the request.
Please do. We're a long way away, and many Kickstarters have started getting Oz or Oceania-friendly shipping hubs to reduce the very large shipping costs we face.

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: worktroll on 18 July 2019, 21:05:15
I'll third the hope for an Aussie distribution hub.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Charlie 6 on 18 July 2019, 21:07:55
Cubby,

I understand the Kickstarter Exclusives will only be available through pledging during this time period and those items are specifically listed as "Exclusive".  Everything else will be available for retail at a later date.  Is that a correct statement?  Also, do you expect the retail prices to change? 

I ask because AGoAC is the only add-on listed with a retail value of $60 for a $50 add-on.

Thanks,

Matt
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Daryk on 18 July 2019, 21:09:21
Given my inability to find the AGoAC box in a local store, the Kickstarter is looking like the way to get it... along with all those juicy IS lances...
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Greatclub on 18 July 2019, 21:16:12
Cubby - how good are the odds we see renders or artwork of the rest of the mechs before the 'starter is over.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 18 July 2019, 21:28:53
No, hang on. I know what he’s asking here—can the five Mechs from the Clan Invasion boxed set be their own Star Pack-priced add-on, without having to buy the whole box again. That has NOT been determined at this time.

It’s been a very common request since we went live. I’ll ping management again on it.

Re: Aus/NZ fulfillment - I don’t know who / how the company is contracted with at the moment to do fulfillment, but I’ll pass along the request.

Yes, that's precisely what I mean Cubby...and thanks and thanks :)
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Talen5000 on 18 July 2019, 21:34:01
The oversized metal statues stretch goals feel strange,as they are of no practical value to me. I'd rather have something I can use directly in the game. How about more free "Salvage Boxes", please?   ;)

The only thing wrong with the museum models...from my pov....is the "some assembly required" small print.

I prefer the heft of metal and the simplicity of plastic.
.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: H.B.M.C. on 18 July 2019, 22:04:37
Still lobbying for the third Museum Scale to be a solid gold Urbanmech. :D

BYE
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: SCC on 18 July 2019, 22:13:13
What does 'Museum Scale' scale even mean? I mean it's better then using model railway gauges, but still.

For the characters I'm guessing that your characters rank will, where possible, match your backer level, which could make things interesting as the only good name I can come up with is the one I used for my character in my one Shadowun game: Nevyn from the Deverry Cycle, which means No Name.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Empyrus on 18 July 2019, 22:16:00
What does 'Museum Scale' scale even mean? I mean it's better then using model railway gauges, but still.
Think those things are about 10cm tall, i think? Display pieces.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Azakael on 18 July 2019, 22:23:59
What does 'Museum Scale' scale even mean? I mean it's better then using model railway gauges, but still.

For the characters I'm guessing that your characters rank will, where possible, match your backer level, which could make things interesting as the only good name I can come up with is the one I used for my character in my one Shadowun game: Nevyn from the Deverry Cycle, which means No Name.

I dunno, at least with a model railway gauge, I can walk into a hobby shop and say, "I need N-Scale buildings..."
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Wrangler on 18 July 2019, 22:29:52
I hope they make it to 700k.  I'd like see new novel come out.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: General308 on 18 July 2019, 23:15:39
Ok I am in.... I will figure out the options I want latter.     
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Vandervecken on 18 July 2019, 23:29:01
The oversized metal statues stretch goals feel strange,as they are of no practical value to me. I'd rather have something I can use directly in the game. How about more free "Salvage Boxes", please?   ;)

Speak for yourself, I'd love to have these gracing my bookcases.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 23:30:15
nothing wrong with a little variety
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: VensersRevenge on 18 July 2019, 23:33:30
Number-crunched that I had the funds without needing more student loans, so I am now a Star Colonel. I can't wait to be a redshirt in some battle.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: SteveRestless on 18 July 2019, 23:38:00
what scale IS that Metal Timber Wolf Statue?
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2019, 23:39:41
"museum scale"

i have no idea what that means

it's about 3.5" tall
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: SCC on 19 July 2019, 00:23:09
I dunno, at least with a model railway gauge, I can walk into a hobby shop and say, "I need N-Scale buildings..."
The problem is that not all trains use track of the same width. Right by my house there's wide gauge suburban tracks alongside national standard gauge, if I brought models of the trains that run along these tracks at 'N-Scale' they wouldn't run on the same track.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 19 July 2019, 00:51:32
Going by the below thread, "Museum" scale is 1/144, or 12mm scale.

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=8054.0

"1:144 (~12 mm (0.472 in) figure) scale modelling and miniatures are considered closely related to N scale (1:148-1:160 scale) (~10 mm (0.394 in) figure) and many pieces from both scales can be used interchangeably."
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: SteveRestless on 19 July 2019, 00:52:21
based on some searching, if the new ones are the same 'museum scale' as the old ones, it might be 1/144 scale.

Ah, I see Two Guns found the same thread I did.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Bedwyr on 19 July 2019, 00:59:47
based on some searching, if the new ones are the same 'museum scale' as the old ones, it might be 1/144 scale.

Ah, I see Two Guns found the same thread I did.

Ah, so in Gunpla terms it's the same as HG or real grade.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 19 July 2019, 01:08:10
Re: Aus/NZ fulfillment - I don’t know who / how the company is contracted with at the moment to do fulfillment, but I’ll pass along the request.

@Cubby,

On local gaming forums, there is no small amount of concern that if people back this Kickstarter, especially so to a large degree and end up with literally a couple dozen or more boxes of pre-packages mini's, that the shipping from the US, especially so if the CGL shipping method (aka their online store shipping) is used, then the shipping is prohibitive, and as such some people are understandably not willing to pledge if the end result is likely to be a massive kick in the nuts for shipping.

If a fulfilment centre in Australia could be secured, something which a great many kickstarters do now, I feel a much more significant number of backers from Australia and NZ would be secured.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: BirdofPrey on 19 July 2019, 02:12:10
I admit, I'd prefer if if I just got an ordinary brown box with all of the minis rather than a dozen retail boxes I'm just going to throw out anyway.
Both less packaging materials wasted, but also less of my time wasted unpacking everything.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Lynx on 19 July 2019, 02:15:46
The problem is that not all trains use track of the same width. Right by my house there's wide gauge suburban tracks alongside national standard gauge, if I brought models of the trains that run along these tracks at 'N-Scale' they wouldn't run on the same track.
That's the problem with the IRL train gauges. If you buy two buildings in N-gauge (1/144 ~ 1/150), the buildings would work with each other.

And N-gauge/ scale works sort of nicely with Battletech. Battletech is about 1/285 to my understanding, so N gauge is 2x basically. Some of the more "scale friendly" buildings can be easily used for Battlemechs to shoot up.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Foxx Ital on 19 July 2019, 02:23:56
I admit, I'd prefer if if I just got an ordinary brown box with all of the minis rather than a dozen retail boxes I'm just going to throw out anyway.
Both less packaging materials wasted, but also less of my time wasted unpacking everything.
Wrap them up and open one a month and pretend it's your birthday.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Silverline on 19 July 2019, 02:59:32

Re: Aus/NZ fulfillment - I don’t know who / how the company is contracted with at the moment to do fulfillment, but I’ll pass along the request.

Cheers! I am also in the camp of hoping for a local Aussie distribution center, shipping is liable to be a fairly substantial amount otherwise - which is money that could instead be put towards more lovely plastic 'mechs. Currently, I have been discussing combining my pledge with those of some locals who have shown interest in picking it up in order to save on shipping, but we'd all be much happier being able to do our own separate ones.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Greatclub on 19 July 2019, 04:30:36
Stating the obvious, but last lance has moved into the inner sphere post-invasion designs. Even the axeman isn't a classic.

Be interesting to see what else turns up.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Colt Ward on 19 July 2019, 05:27:50
Uh?  Produced 3048 . . . the question is, is the mech included in TRO Clan Invasion.  The Clan mechs got past that recently with the secondlines like Pack Hunter and Solitaire.

I am excited for that Star Pack, I hated putting the Solitaire together even if it looks good.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: PyreLight on 19 July 2019, 05:36:50
Already at 675K...that's crazy.

@Cubby: When will the Mechwarrior: Legends hardback be added to the Add-ons sections with a price-tag? I need to update my spreadsheet
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: SCC on 19 July 2019, 06:36:51
Uh?  Produced 3048 . . . the question is, is the mech included in TRO Clan Invasion.  The Clan mechs got past that recently with the secondlines like Pack Hunter and Solitaire.

I am excited for that Star Pack, I hated putting the Solitaire together even if it looks good.
Pretty sure he's talking about the Berserker
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: marauder648 on 19 July 2019, 07:14:06
I assume there's an upper limit to the stretch goals, because this is going to be a huge amount of work for the artists and production teams and adding more just adds more stress, more work.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Foxx Ital on 19 July 2019, 08:24:59
I assume there's an upper limit to the stretch goals, because this is going to be a huge amount of work for the artists and production teams and adding more just adds more stress, more work.
Yup, I'd like to see more stretch goals involving novels.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Greatclub on 19 July 2019, 08:27:34
I meant axeman, and that it was a tro:3050 original, not a 3025 refit.
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: BlCharger on 19 July 2019, 08:46:22
If anyone has missed it, the FAQ was updated with more info about canon characters.


"Yes. The whole idea here is that you will become part of the BattleTech universe. As a canon character, you will get to name a character and can provide a short bio. Faction. Unit. Maybe homeward and honors and rank.

We reserve editorial rights to prevent obscenities or internet goofiness. No Boaty McBoatface!

With custom art, we will ask you for a photo to base the sketch on and it will also be used in a sourcebook our other product in order to permanently add your likeness into the lore of BattleTech.

Please be patient. We expect to have several hundred, even a thousand, characters from this. It will take time, and we will naturally start with higher pledge levels. It's a truly incredible undertaking, but we will find a way!"
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Sartris on 19 July 2019, 08:51:15
Mecher McMechson
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: DEZOAT on 19 July 2019, 08:54:39
 :o WOW!! I see thing going to slow down now which good. That give everyone a chance catch up to both backers and the people at Cat Lab. You all know we have 29 more days to go so calm down. I love the list of countries of the backers .
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Cubby on 19 July 2019, 08:58:47
Cubby,

I understand the Kickstarter Exclusives will only be available through pledging during this time period and those items are specifically listed as "Exclusive".  Everything else will be available for retail at a later date.  Is that a correct statement?  Also, do you expect the retail prices to change? 

I ask because AGoAC is the only add-on listed with a retail value of $60 for a $50 add-on.

Thanks,

Matt

My current understanding is that anything not specifically called an exclusive should be available at retail at some future date. I know, I hate all the caveats in that sentence too, but in some cases we're talking about product that's little more than a glimmer in someone's eye at this point. So guaranteeing with absolute certainty that it'll be available on store shelves is not something I can do.

Cubby - how good are the odds we see renders or artwork of the rest of the mechs before the 'starter is over.

That's hard for me to answer, because I don't know the exact stage of the process that Anthony is on for all 60+. There's a fair number that have no renders or artwork at all, for sure, and I have honestly no idea whether he can or would be able to generate them in the next 29 days.

I know Anthony cares a great deal about quality control and is thoughtful about what he shows publicly, so it's unlikely he'd hit the gas and just get something out for all of them if it means showing work he's not happy with. Which I wholeheartedly agree with, for a few reasons. One, it's not worth showing something before it's ready, because we'll never convince the internet that, "don't worry, it'll be better when it's done"--why show it at all, then. Two, revealing art and renders over the next few months after the KS ends gives me more content to share and keep backers engaged.

So the simplest answer is, "It'll vary depending on the Mech, but there should be at least a few more renders or pieces of development art to share."
Title: Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is LIVE
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 19 July 2019, 08:58:52
If anyone has missed it, the FAQ was updated with more info about canon characters.


"Yes. The whole idea here is that you will become part of the BattleTech universe. As a canon character, you will get to name a character and can provide a short bio. Faction. Unit. Maybe homeward and honors and rank.

We reserve editorial rights to prevent obscenities or internet goofiness. No Boaty McBoatface!

With custom art, we will ask you for a photo to base the sketch on and it will also be used in a sourcebook our other product in order to permanently add your likeness into the lore of BattleTech.

Please be patient. We expect to have several hundred, even a