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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #210 on: 26 February 2018, 22:14:37 »
Oooh. Future TROs with Punch-out pages in the back. Or a Q&D TRo Supplemental sealed page sold separately of the book with said counters.

We have turned into a bunch of 5 year olds :o ;D :P

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« Reply #211 on: 26 February 2018, 22:30:41 »
Punch out Pony! Punch out Pony!
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #212 on: 27 February 2018, 00:23:13 »
Oooh. Future TROs with Punch-out pages in the back. Or a Q&D TRo Supplemental sealed page sold separately of the book with said counters.

Books like BattlePack 4th Succession War and AeroTech 2 did this so there is president

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #213 on: 27 February 2018, 02:16:15 »
We have turned into a bunch of 5 year olds :o ;D :P
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #214 on: 27 February 2018, 02:28:41 »
We have turned into a bunch of 5 year olds :o ;D :P

So, we've aged emotionally is what you're saying here?
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #215 on: 27 February 2018, 05:45:46 »
Well, I was thinking how interesting move is inclusion of the punch-out mechs when I realised something. Is inclusion of these punch-out mechs somehow related to german Starterbox (50€) from last year? That box included 8 (Citytech?) plastic mechs with sheets of punch-out mechs.

Based on discussion on FB, I would like to know if prices of these new boxes are decided or it's still something that isn't clear at the moment? There was big uproar due to lower count of plastic mechs in GoAC box and same or higher price than last two introboxes. So I would want at least to know if 60$ is targeted price for GoAC box and 20$ for beginners box or it has changed.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #216 on: 27 February 2018, 08:12:24 »
Punch out Pony! Punch out Pony!

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #217 on: 27 February 2018, 08:55:09 »
Oooh. Future TROs with Punch-out pages in the back. Or a Q&D TRo Supplemental sealed page sold separately of the book with said counters.

Sounds like a great method to encourage shrinkage. No, keep counters in a box. Don't make it too easy for jerks to steal parts.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #218 on: 27 February 2018, 09:19:13 »
The positive reaction to counters/tokens over the last two pages makes me very optimistic.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #219 on: 27 February 2018, 09:33:27 »
Sounds like a great method to encourage shrinkage. No, keep counters in a box. Don't make it too easy for jerks to steal parts.

The solution here is to put punch-out tokens in boxes, but a sheet of nonperforated tokens in the back of the book that need to be properly cut out. Tearing out a page(especially decent cardstock) is more work than just popping out some counters, especially if you're trying to do it on the sly in the middle of a store.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #220 on: 27 February 2018, 09:43:28 »
The positive reaction to counters/tokens over the last two pages makes me very optimistic.

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At least try and up the quality a bit more to make it stand out.  Have different types of bases you can use in the box for the different kinds of units.  Maybe have 'Mechs with stands, vehicles as tokens, aerotech/vtols on stands that elevate the token, all bases as hexagons too.  This is entirely possible considering the quality of board games these days.

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #221 on: 27 February 2018, 09:55:45 »
Maybe have 'Mechs with stands, vehicles as tokens, aerotech/vtols on stands that elevate the token, all bases as hexagons too.

Infantry doesn't need hexagon bases, they will be fine as round tokens.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #222 on: 27 February 2018, 10:13:54 »
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #223 on: 27 February 2018, 10:22:34 »
It writes itself.

I'd be more interested in whether it pays for itself.

So I would want at least to know if 60$ is targeted price for GoAC box and 20$ for beginners box or it has changed.

That's the plan, $19.99 for the BattleTech Beginner Box, and $59.99 for the BattleTech: A Game of Armored Combat box.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #224 on: 27 February 2018, 10:29:16 »
No vehicle or infantry punch-out pieces of any kind are planned at this time.

Remember when these pieces weren’t on the menu at all, six hours ago? One step at a time, folks.

Back to the old Citytech counters it is!  ;)
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #225 on: 27 February 2018, 11:07:31 »
Yeah, one step at a time, and please remember that in BattleTech, it’s about the BattleMechs, vees and infantry are several steps removed.

The positive reaction to counters/tokens over the last two pages makes me very optimistic.
Its nice, but there’s never been any correlation between reaction on the forums and sales. It’s not a valid metric.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #226 on: 27 February 2018, 11:17:03 »
Geont, there is no relation between this box and the one Ulisses Spiele put out.

One brief thing about the box pricing and the uproar, taking into account the source (me) is informed but inarticulate: the old box was meant to be a loss-leader, that we’d take a hit on it and it would guide players into other products. Did fine with the loss part, not so much in the leader role. And then take into account that it used 30 year old sculpts and map art. These boxes have all new miniatures and art and are priced appropriately.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #227 on: 27 February 2018, 11:50:39 »
Yeah, one step at a time, and please remember that in BattleTech, it’s about the BattleMechs, vees and infantry are several steps removed.
I keep wondering about that. Some random musings to follow:

No, no, i don't deny that 'Mechs are what BattleTech is built upon and what it has been about so far.
But... I look at the MWDA and how it was built upon combined arms. Alpha Strike makes no real difference between 'Mechs and other types of units. TROs have vehicles too, and even infantry (if you count Battle Armor as infantry). And i look at other tabletop games and their habit of having various sorts of units (admittedly they're not really build upon one type of war machine). And how more modern RTS games have some sort of focus on combined arms, as opposed to old-fashioned tank spam.
And there's the name BattleTech. Mecha are usually called just "mechs", regardless of their real name. As it is, BattleTech could kinda cover everything used for warfare in 31st century.
Should it be about 'Mechs mostly?

Admittedly there are problems in trying to cram everything into affordable package. BattleMech Manual wouldn't be that if it were trying to fit in other rules as well. And a box set would rise in price and complexity if it were to contain extra unit types, as cool as it would be, cardboard punch-outs or not.

And for every me, there are likely way more people who probably don't care.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #228 on: 27 February 2018, 12:05:11 »
Geont, there is no relation between this box and the one Ulisses Spiele put out.

One brief thing about the box pricing and the uproar, taking into account the source (me) is informed but inarticulate: the old box was meant to be a loss-leader, that we’d take a hit on it and it would guide players into other products. Did fine with the loss part, not so much in the leader role. And then take into account that it used 30 year old sculpts and map art. These boxes have all new miniatures and art and are priced appropriately.

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #229 on: 27 February 2018, 12:10:17 »
BattleTech Reinforcements: 3039 

It writes itself.

At least try and up the quality a bit more to make it stand out.  Have different types of bases you can use in the box for the different kinds of units.  Maybe have 'Mechs with stands, vehicles as tokens, aerotech/vtols on stands that elevate the token, all bases as hexagons too.  This is entirely possible considering the quality of board games these days.

If they went this route, I'd like to see aircraft at least go the way the counter from the original Crimson Skies box worked: multiple pieces that slotted togather to make a vaguely 3D model instead of just a printed picture on a flat piece of stock.  I suppose you could do the same with tanks, but I feel like that might be more trouble than it's worth.  Mech counters are probably best just stuck on standees like you said.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #230 on: 27 February 2018, 12:10:55 »
It’s a valid thought process, Empyrus.

Try to look at it this way. Flavor. If you’re running an ice cream shop, you can’t just do vanilla, your need chocolate and strawberry. Honestly, you’d be best with a dozen assortments, right?

What seems to be the case, at least talking on the business side, is that “vanilla, chocolate, and strawberry” isn’t “Mechs, vehicles and infantry,” but instead “Mechs, other Mechs, and more Mechs.” Vehicles and infantry are the flavors you experiment with once you have your solid dozen flavors.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #231 on: 27 February 2018, 12:26:48 »
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #232 on: 27 February 2018, 12:33:49 »
When I was a young lad drooling over source books, it was the mechs that drew me to this game. Not the combat vehicles, or the aerospace fighters, or the battler armor, or the warships. Mechs are what got me into BattleTech. Now, mine own spawn like to play Alpha Strike with me on occasion, and it's the same with them. They want the stompy robots. I actually bought them each several of the DA packs that come with a mech, a vehicle and some infantry. The infantry are long-gone, and most of the VTOL's and tanks are MIA somewhere under beds or in random piles of toys, but the mechs...well, the kids each keep their mechs all together in boxes and will play with them like normal toys as well as bugging me to play Alpha Strike. I didn't tell them to keep the Mechs separate or to put them all in a box. I didn't tell them Mechs are better than vehicles or infantry. They decided they liked them better on their own. To them, the mechs were something special, and they took better care of them and played with them more than any of the other stuff that came in those DA loot boxes. Sure, it is a very small data set, but something about the mechs in this game registered as special and more interesting to my kids than any of the other units. According to my house at least, mechs are the coolest part of BattleTech. I'm not asking that other units be dropped from the game, but you won't hear any complaints from me about the two starter boxes being nothing but mechs. It's a decision I support.

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #233 on: 27 February 2018, 13:53:47 »
I'd be more interested in whether it pays for itself.

That's the plan, $19.99 for the BattleTech Beginner Box, and $59.99 for the BattleTech: A Game of Armored Combat box.


Glad to hear it.

Geont, there is no relation between this box and the one Ulisses Spiele put out.

One brief thing about the box pricing and the uproar, taking into account the source (me) is informed but inarticulate: the old box was meant to be a loss-leader, that we’d take a hit on it and it would guide players into other products. Did fine with the loss part, not so much in the leader role. And then take into account that it used 30 year old sculpts and map art. These boxes have all new miniatures and art and are priced appropriately.

I did think so. I still think these new boxes are good bargain. With punch-out mechs it got even better. :D
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #234 on: 27 February 2018, 14:18:12 »
I did think so. I still think these new boxes are good bargain. With punch-out mechs it got even better. :D

I wish I could take off the beemer so I sound like less of a shill when I say: I'm as excited about these box sets as I've been about anything BT related in a long time.

Especially the Beginner Box Set--it's finally a product I can feel confident about cracking open and teaching the game out of, and leaving them with a lot of value for a low cost. Everything in the box was redesigned from the ground up, and looks great.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #235 on: 27 February 2018, 15:58:57 »
Seeing how most games now are almost ready to play right out of the box, it would be nice of Battletech to have a lower priced option then the big boxed set for $60.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #236 on: 27 February 2018, 16:54:23 »
Seeing how most games now are almost ready to play right out of the box, it would be nice of Battletech to have a lower priced option then the big boxed set for $60.

I thought the $60 box was meant to be playable for 'mech to 'mech combat right out of the box. Is that not true?

For a playable game, with high quality miniatures, $60 seems to be at least roughly in line with board game prices. I'll be excited if the boxes are actually profitable for CGL. It might make funding a reprint much less of a multi-year nightmare, if the demand is there.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #237 on: 27 February 2018, 17:00:15 »
I thought the $60 box was meant to be playable for 'mech to 'mech combat right out of the box. Is that not true?

Of course, the big box offers that in spades too.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #238 on: 27 February 2018, 17:00:32 »
For 8 minis at 60 is seems a bit high, but if you include the punch-outs its not as bad.. but I prefer the old box. Just sell a box minis only for 40 and I would buy several and be happy.

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #239 on: 27 February 2018, 17:01:20 »
Seeing how most games now are almost ready to play right out of the box, it would be nice of Battletech to have a lower priced option then the big boxed set for $60.

Isn't that the point of the $20 Beginner's Box?  ???

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