Record Sheet for LT-MOB-25 Mobile Long Tom Artillery

[GOTHIK]

I have been unable to find a CGL record sheet for this unit; if anyone knows where I can find one, please let Me know.

I've been using the Heavy Metal Vee record sheet, but there's something REALLY interesting about this particular vehicle and I'm wondering if there's an official rule on how to handle this peculiarity; if not, what house rules are being used:

According to the TRO info, this unit consists of a train of 6 tracked transports: 1 carries the artillery unit itself (55T), the next 2 handle the targeting and firing of the weapon and are designated as the "support carriage" (5T), and the final 3 carry the ammunition and are labeled the "ammunition carriage "(10T).  Each of these three sections have their own armor and critical info.  So if the LT-MOB-25 gets hit, how do you determine which section takes the hit?

In the past We've rolled 1D6; on a roll of 1 it's the first "car", 2-3 the second "car" or "support carriage", and 4-6 the third "car" or "ammunition carriage".  But again, if there's an official way of handling this, I'd really like to know; and if not, if there's anyone else out there who has determined a better way to resolve it, please let Me know that too.

Thanks for the help!

[StCptMara]

it should be in Record Sheets 3039 Unabridged...now, it is 2-2 separate vehicles, so that might be the confusion...

[Martius]

It is in RS: 3039 Unabridged, pages 129-131.

Oh- just noticed the Long Tom has 2 tons of Communication Equipment. Remote Sensors will be deployed in my next game for sure...

[GOTHIK]

DOH!  thanks for the page numbers Martius!  I actually missed that in My copy of RS3039 - Unabridged; I still had copies printed from HMV, so I kept using those (there are actually still three record sheets, StCPTMara).

And if you're playing on a hexmap, We are to assume that the entirety of the vehicle fits within the one 30 meter hex, right?

So if that's the case, then the question still stands:
how do you determine which of the three record sheets to record the damage on whenever the unit takes a hit?

[Weirdo]

Use the rules in Total War for tractors and trailers, page 205. It's in the Support Uehicle section, but the rules apply just as well for Combat vees pulling trailers.

[GOTHIK]

Thanks, Weirdo.  I'll read those right now and let you know if I have any other questions.

[GOTHIK]

Am I interpreting the stacking rules for trailers from TW pg. 57 to mean that all three of the units do infact occupy the same 30 meter hex?

I reviewed the description of Support Vehicles from TW pg. 25 to confirm that the 5T Support Carriage and the 10T Ammunition Carriage components of the LT-MOB-25 do infact qualify as small trailers, but there are no clarifications for the tonnages for small, medium, or heavy. Do they use the same designations that standard vehicles do as detailed on TW pg. 22?

If the two trailers are considered to be small or medium, then it looks like they are counted as one unit, while the 55T Artillery Unit counts as one unit which would seem to indicate that all three "cars" occupy the same hex.

Am I applying these rules correctly?

[Weirdo]

No. One small trailer is treated as part of the tractor. If you have multiple, each pair after the first is treated as an additional vehicle for stacking. Therefore you could put the tractor and three trailers in one hex, and up to four more trailers in the next hex, and so on.

[GOTHIK]

So in the case of the LT-MOB-25:
The Artillery piece/tractor and one of the trailers (Support Carriage) count as one vehicle, and the second trailer counts as a second vehicle; which allows them to all stack in the same hex.

Is that right?

[Jackmc]

Oh- just noticed the Long Tom has 2 tons of Communication Equipment. Remote Sensors will be deployed in my next game for sure...

Inquisitor SDA

I really ought to bring this thing up to date.

-Jackmc

[Weirdo]

Five trailers, remember? Two support trailers, three ammo trailers. MLT and three trailers in one hex, the last two in the next one.

[GOTHIK]

The TRO and RS all consider it to be three units total.

[Weirdo]

No, it's just that the two support trailers are identical to each other, and same goes for the three ammo cars. Why print the same stats twice or three times? Same reason the Hi-Scout entry only lists the stats for each drone class once, even though we are clearly told the Carrier uses more than one of each class.

[GOTHIK]

OH!  So are you saying that I actually should have 1 55T tractor RS, 2 5T Support Carriage RSs, and 3 10T Ammunition Carriage RSs whenever the LT-MOB-25 is on the table?

[Dr Dodo]

I just won the mini in an auction and it takes up 2 hexes with the main cannon unit and the trailers (tractor+2 trailers in hex A) & (3 trailers in hex B)

[Weirdo]

Exactly! :)

[GOTHIK]

I just won the mini in an auction and it takes up 2 hexes with the main cannon unit and the trailers (tractor+2 trailers in hex A) & (3 trailers in hex B)

If you're inferring that simply due to the length of the model, consider that many of the 'Mech scale models from Iron Wind don't fit neatly inside the map scale hexes which are supposed to be 30 meters across.

[GOTHIK]

Exactly! :)

Is that in regard to using a total of 6 record sheets for the one LT-MOB-25?

[Hellraiser]

Yes, you use 6 total units.

1x LT-Cannon 55t
2x Support Trailer 5t
3x Ammo Trailer 10t

Total them all up and you get the 95 ton total vehicle weight.

The Cannon and 1 Trailer count as 1 "unit" for stacking purposes.
2 more trailers count as another "unit" for stacking purposes.
The last 2 trailers count as a 3rd "unit" for stackign purposes.

Only 2 "friendly" units can be in the same hex at a time.

So you can have the LT & 3 Trailers in 1 hex, and 2 more trailers in the 2nd Hex.
This still gives you room to have a "friendly" Mech/tank/infantry in the 2nd hex w/ 2 trailers.

[GOTHIK]

AHA!  I totally get it now.  Thank you.  I mistakenly thought you only use 1 of each of the three record sheets.

[Isanova]

Does an official record sheet exist for the rail variant?

Makes me wonder about deploying a series of artillery vehicles like the LT, a Mobile-Command rail vehicle, and a MASH rail vehicle, a large infantry carrier, along with a faster scout-rail to go ahead of the unit.

On a well-developed planet, it could act as a mobile field-command for well prepared spots. Enemy landed in Sector 10-A, move Mobile Command to Sector-spot 8A whilst your mech battalions move to intercept.

*with existing remote sensor stations positioned relative to the the pre-planned HQ spots so they can plug-in and use them for spotting effectively.*

[Moonsword]

Does an official record sheet exist for the rail variant?

No.  It's complicated by the fact that a rail variant would have to be (at a minimum) a 260 ton support vehicle to fit the Long Tom and its ammunition, with all the limitations and performance differences that brings with it.  This is not to say it's impossible - it's not - but it wouldn't look like you might think it should.

Makes me wonder about deploying a series of artillery vehicles like the LT, a Mobile-Command rail vehicle, and a MASH rail vehicle, a large infantry carrier, along with a faster scout-rail to go ahead of the unit.

Tying your command vehicle to a rail line is asking for it to - at a minimum! - get isolated by attacks on the rail lines.  And once you narrow down where it is, air or artillery attacks can easily hammer it.  Rail vehicles are all support vehicles, meaning there's a fairly low ceiling on how tough they can really get.

[Peter Smith]

Does an official record sheet exist for the rail variant?

As we are currently lacking a template to make the sheet, no.