Pavesari - hope you didn't need those fire support 'Mechs.

[Breetai]

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Pavesari

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-F
Production Year: 0
Cost: 6,764,717 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,199

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 275 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Lamellor
Armament:
    5  Medium Pulse Lasers
    1  Flamer
    2  Anti-Missile Systems
    1  Angel ECM
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 7 RA
Engine:             Fusion Engine                275                      15.50
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             11(22)                    1.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Ferro-Lamellor               AV - 182                 13.00
    Armor Locations: 4 LT, 8 LA
    CASE Locations: LT                                                     0.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           28       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  7         
                                           L/R Torso     13           19       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  7         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18       
                                             L/R Leg     13           25       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Medium Pulse Lasers                        RA        8         2         4.00
2 Medium Pulse Lasers                        LA        8         2         4.00
Anti-Missile System                          RT        1         1         0.50
Flamer                                       RT        3         1         0.50
Anti-Missile System                          LT        1         1         0.50
Targeting Computer                           LT        -         2         2.00
Angel ECM                                    CT        0         2         2.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           HD        4         1         2.00
@Anti-Missile System (24)                    LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 19

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 22
5          5       5       0       0      2     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: AMS, AECM, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


A hard counter for fire support units. ECM and double AMS do very nasty things to your enemy's damage potential as you close, with the Ferro-Lam taking the resulting damage clusters down a couple more notches. Then you get amongst them and the whole lance's targeting is borked and you open up with clan med pulse. Send a couple at a heavy fire support lance and watch 'em dissolve.

[HeavyArmorMecha]

5/8/0 is rather lackluster for a Clan Medium...

Especially IS fire support mediums can also do the same movement...

And so is the armament of 5 Medium Pulse Lasers...

For the same 5 Medium Pulse Laser, I can push my Medium to 7/11/7 movement...

[Lagrange]

5/8/0 is rather lackluster for a Clan Medium...

The design has armor like a clan heavy and it's running cheap with a standard fusion engine so I think it's fine.

The biggest issue I see is a lack of long range fires which means that against more maneuverable long range opponents it's cooked.

[PuppyLikesLaserPointers]

But it's too slow to assail the support fire units behind of the frontline and it gives too much time for the enemy to react before actually does its intended role.

It have decent range, for 4/8/12 isn't so short and being pulse laser means it also utilize its long range unlike most other weapons as well.

Rather it's better suited for guard dog duty for your own fire supports, for clans MPL is enough to deal with enemy lights and 5/8 with MPL isn't so easy to evade even for MP 7+ units. Else as the cheap line duty mech.

[HeavyArmorMecha]

TBF, this is what I think a "Support Hunter" should be:

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Hunter

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-F-F
Production Year: 3169
Dry Cost: 16,425,815 C-Bills
Total Cost: 16,425,815 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,953

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 330 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 270 meters (330 meters)
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2  ER Large Lasers
    1  Angel ECM
    1  Active Probe
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 LT, 3 LA, 3 RA
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             330                      12.50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 9 (11) Improved
    Jump Jet Locations: 3 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL                       9.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             13(29)                    3.00
Gyro:                                                                      0.00
Cockpit:            Interface                                              4.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 182                  9.50
    Armor Locations: 1 LT, 3 LA, 3 RA

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           27       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     13           18       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18       
                                             L/R Leg     13           25       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Angel ECM                                    RT        0         2         2.00
Active Probe                                 LT        0         1         1.00
Partial Wing                                 LT/RT     -         3/3       3.00
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        1         4.00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        1         4.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 3

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 30
6/11j      2       2       2       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: AECM, PRB, RCN, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

11-hex jump is enough to evade any frontline units, and close-in or escape rapidly especially in difficult terrain.

0/8/15/25 range of the ER Large Laser is enough to catch any escaping units.

[PuppyLikesLaserPointers]

Consider it heavily rely on jump MP its actual range is effectively 0/8/15/-. What about to switch a pair of ER LLs to a LPL, which effectively provides 0/14/20/- instead?

[HeavyArmorMecha]

Consider it heavily rely on jump MP its actual range is effectively 0/8/15/-. What about to switch a pair of ER LLs to a LPL, which effectively provides 0/14/20/- instead?

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Hunter II

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-F-F
Production Year: 3169
Dry Cost: 15,167,215 C-Bills
Total Cost: 15,167,215 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,859

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 330 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 270 meters (330 meters)
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2  Large Pulse Lasers
    1  Active Probe
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 LT, 3 LA, 3 RA
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             330                      12.50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 9 (11) Improved
    Jump Jet Locations: 3 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL                       9.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             11(25)                    1.00
Gyro:                                                                      0.00
Cockpit:            Interface                                              4.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 182                  9.50
    Armor Locations: 1 LT, 3 LA, 3 RA

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           27       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     13           18       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18       
                                             L/R Leg     13           25       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Active Probe                                 RT        0         1         1.00
Partial Wing                                 LT/RT     -         3/3       3.00
Large Pulse Laser                            RA        10        2         6.00
Large Pulse Laser                            LA        10        2         6.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 3

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 29
6/11j      3       3       3       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: PRB, RCN, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA



[Daryk]

You really only need a jump of 10... dropping the engine a bit can yield some significant tonnage for something like a TarComp.

[PuppyLikesLaserPointers]

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Hunter II

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-F-F
Production Year: 3169
Dry Cost: 15,167,215 C-Bills
Total Cost: 15,167,215 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,859

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 330 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 270 meters (330 meters)
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2  Large Pulse Lasers
    1  Active Probe
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 LT, 3 LA, 3 RA
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             330                      12.50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 9 (11) Improved
    Jump Jet Locations: 3 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL                       9.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             11(25)                    1.00
Gyro:                                                                      0.00
Cockpit:            Interface                                              4.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 182                  9.50
    Armor Locations: 1 LT, 3 LA, 3 RA

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           27       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     13           18       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18       
                                             L/R Leg     13           25       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Active Probe                                 RT        0         1         1.00
Partial Wing                                 LT/RT     -         3/3       3.00
Large Pulse Laser                            RA        10        2         6.00
Large Pulse Laser                            LA        10        2         6.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 3

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 29
6/11j      3       3       3       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: PRB, RCN, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA



Looks good. Although the basic idea of MPL of OP is also good too - since it's clans grade pulse laser it does have good range by default.

[Firesprocket]

I'd have liked to kept the standard engine, however to do so and keep a simlar to damage profile to the OP, it was necessary to bump up to an XL.  While the thought popped into my mind about sticking fancier items on to push the jump envelope I decided to stick to IJJ.

I'm really not concerned about incoming missles because odds are there will be easier targets to hit than me unless someone is playing with SG and even then they have to dedicate a modest BV for their benefit.  I like FL armor, but feel it's not as useful as hardened armor.  Which while it weighs more and has the downside or causing a more difficult PSR soaks more damage before facing that downside.  Having an anti infantry weaon is nice, but I don't feel infantry is going to be a threat to my machine unless I stand in the same hex with them.  If I did that I made a massive mistake.  So I pitched the flamer. Anyhow here is what I came up with:

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Pavesari

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Mixed
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-F-E
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 13,132,582 C-Bills
Total Cost: 13,132,582 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,650

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 275 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 210 meters
Armor: Unknown Hardened
Armament:
    5  (CL) Medium Pulse Lasers
    1  Angel ECM
    1  Active Probe
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 2 LT, 1 RT, 3 LA, 1 RA
Engine:             XL Engine                    275                       8.00
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 7 Improved
    Jump Jet Locations: 2 LT, 3 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL                             7.00
Heat Sinks:         (CL) Double Heat Sink        10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Hardened                     AV - 128                 16.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           18       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  5         
                                           L/R Torso     13           15       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  5         
                                             L/R Arm     9            13       
                                             L/R Leg     13           15       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
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(CL) Medium Pulse Laser                      HD        4         1         2.00
Angel ECM                                    CT        0         2         2.00
Active Probe                                 RT        0         1         1.00
(CL) Targeting Computer                      LT        -         2         2.00
2 (CL) Medium Pulse Lasers                   RA        8         2         4.00
2 (CL) Medium Pulse Lasers                   LA        8         2         4.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 12

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      9    Points: 27
5/7j       5       5       0       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: AECM, PRB, RCN, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


Short of the head it will take a hit from a HGR to any location and keep moving.  It will take a few shots from LPLs and still be moving around.  Accidently find that hornet's nest of Hetzers or a Demolisher packing precision ammo?  You may still live.

[Daryk]

Wouldn't a Partial Wing with standard Jump Jets be a lighter way to get to 7 jump?

[Firesprocket]

Wouldn't a Partial Wing with standard Jump Jets be a lighter way to get to 7 jump?

It would be more optimized, yes.  But I wasn't necessarily aiming for it to be fully optimized.  I just saw what the OP put together and wanted to stick close to it while turning it into a flying Hammerhead wannabe .

[Daryk]

I just figured that might help boost the armor a bit... ;)

[EPG]

TBF, this is what I think a "Support Hunter" should be:

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Hunter

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-F-F
Production Year: 3169
Dry Cost: 16,425,815 C-Bills
Total Cost: 16,425,815 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,953

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 330 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 270 meters (330 meters)
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2  ER Large Lasers
    1  Angel ECM
    1  Active Probe
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 LT, 3 LA, 3 RA
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             330                      12.50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 9 (11) Improved
    Jump Jet Locations: 3 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL                       9.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             13(29)                    3.00
Gyro:                                                                      0.00
Cockpit:            Interface                                              4.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 182                  9.50
    Armor Locations: 1 LT, 3 LA, 3 RA

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           27       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     13           18       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18       
                                             L/R Leg     13           25       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Angel ECM                                    RT        0         2         2.00
Active Probe                                 LT        0         1         1.00
Partial Wing                                 LT/RT     -         3/3       3.00
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        1         4.00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        1         4.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 3

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 30
6/11j      2       2       2       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: AECM, PRB, RCN, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

11-hex jump is enough to evade any frontline units, and close-in or escape rapidly especially in difficult terrain.

0/8/15/25 range of the ER Large Laser is enough to catch any escaping units.

This to me is more of a harasser / raider - it can go after fire support units but it lacks the firepower to really get someone’s attention like the OP design does.  It will show up in a hurry though that that’s certainly helpful. 

Which design is better depends a lot on what sort of fire support you’re going after.  The OP design will quickly destroy, or rend mer unable to provide support a lot of the ‘classic’ support mechs line archers, trebuchets or riflemen which lack either the short ranged weapons, or the armor or both to fend off an attacker at short range.  Against more flexible fire support mechs like a crusader, dervish or stalker however getting that close can be really dangerous and your faster large laser armed design is a safer choice.