Operation NOYAN

[Foxx Ital]

I could see it, but they would have a naval battle...which would involve an arcship i'd think. Don't the Sea Fox's have their own shipyards on Tuk? not to mention whats hidden in the chain?

[Jellico]

We are all aware that a shipyard is largely empty space with a frame around it?

My money is on more Hunters and Odyssey production being extended into the naval yard as more resources become available with the touman reaching a fully upgraded state.

[Foxx Ital]

We are all aware that a shipyard is largely empty space with a frame around it?

My money is on more Hunters and Odyssey production being extended into the naval yard as more resources become available with the touman reaching a fully upgraded state.

This is more in line with what i was thinking as well.

[Liam's Ghost]

I could see it, but they would have a naval battle...which would involve an arcship i'd think. Don't the Sea Fox's have their own shipyards on Tuk? not to mention whats hidden in the chain?

I believe every clan but the Wolves has shipyards with the capacity and infrastructure to support jumpship and warship production.

My money is on more Hunters and Odyssey production being extended into the naval yard as more resources become available with the touman reaching a fully upgraded state.

With Interstellar communication dependent almost entirely on jumpship traffic, that would seem the most reasonable guess. Though if they were building new Warships, that would seem a definite sign that the Bears were preparing for a major push somewhere. Such an investment of resources on something that can only be in one place at a time is not something you do lightly, especially when you're a clan that never does anything at all lightly.

[SCC]

If they're building more JS to use as couriers do you think their building Explorer's, Scout's or Hunter's?

[Liam's Ghost]

I'd see them concentrating on Hunters, since they're well acquainted with them. Though I also see them turning out as many larger jumpships as practical simply for the utility.

[Jellico]

If they're building more JS to use as couriers do you think their building Explorer's, Scout's or Hunter's?

2703, 2712, or 2832.
Mode T, Model A, Veyron? What do you think that they will build?

[SCC]

Well to get that list I went to Sarna and looked up JS, concentrating on smaller designs. The Hunter is a Ghost Bear design, but is the biggest of those listed (And thus most expensive) and carries a HPG, which is kinda useless at this point. The Scout they probably have plans for and it's lighter (And thus cheaper) and also lacks that HPG (Again reducing cost). I doubt they have the Explorer plans, but it dumps the docking collar the other two have and is the smallest design by far at almost half the weight of the Hunter, thus making it the cheapest

[Arkansas Warrior]

I'd be inclined to go for Merchants, since they're the smallest class with a collar (two, in fact) and a grav deck (IIRC).  Even if you only plan on using them as a pony express, extra transportation capacity is always a good thing, nobody in battletech has enough of it.  I want the grav deck for the long-term health of my crews.  Some might consider that a waste because you can generate .1G with station-keeping drives, but I think it's more efficient not to have to be constantly burning reaction mass to keep my crews healthy, and the full G of a grav deck has got to be better for you than just a tenth.  Then there's also the fact that the Merchant is the second most common jumper in human space, which might help the Watch out if they ever need to do sneaky things.  Everyone knows the Bears (or at least some Clan) are in town when a Hunter pops in, but everybody who's anybody run Merchants.

[SCC]

The Scout and Hunter classes I mentioned are both smaller then the Merchant, as is the Aquilla

[Maingunnery]

If the Bears want to invade anyone then they will likely either build some kind of transport WS or build Odyssey-class JS (LF battery & 4 Docking Collars).

[Arkansas Warrior]

The Scout and Hunter classes I mentioned are both smaller then the Merchant, as is the Aquilla

Yes, but neither has a grav deck, so you have to waste fuel to get any acceleration at all, and even then it's just a piddling .1G.

[SCC]

Given that a JS has to do this anyway to avoid falling into the star I fail to see the problem

[Jellico]

Well to get that list I went to Sarna and looked up JS, concentrating on smaller designs. The Hunter is a Ghost Bear design, but is the biggest of those listed (And thus most expensive) and carries a HPG, which is kinda useless at this point. The Scout they probably have plans for and it's lighter (And thus cheaper) and also lacks that HPG (Again reducing cost). I doubt they have the Explorer plans, but it dumps the docking collar the other two have and is the smallest design by far at almost half the weight of the Hunter, thus making it the cheapest

I always seem to have this argument every time someone wants their faction to build a Black Lion or a Woodsman.

There are a whole heap of undocumented attributes to units in Battletech that go beyond combat stats. For example the Whirlwind has corridors too small for battle armor.

There is about 100 years between the Scout or Explorer and the Hunter.

Were I live there are some 100 year old houses. They are made out of wood rather than brick, meaning  that they are high maintenance. They have no wall cavities which makes electrical and phone systems problematic. They have semi external alcoves for wood stoves that make modern kitchens difficult. And they were designed without internal bathrooms or toilets meaning refits have had to squeeze them in somewhere over the years.

While I am not suggesting Scouts have external toilets, they were JumpShips built for the civilian market in the Star League while the Hunters were built for the military market in the Clans. Modern computers (these are referenced in various sources) and Harjel were designed into it from the start and who knows what other adjustments for Clan sensibilities exist. That is why they would be built. They are the current standard for a Clan scout JumpShip. While a Scout may be nominally cheaper in Inner Sphere eyes it comes with a number of undocumentable costs which a Clan operator would have to take into account.

[Colt Ward]

I would also say the Hunter is more likely for many of the same logistical reasons as Jellico.  While the stock Hunter maybe designed with a HPG, nothing says it actually has to be installed though I imagine some components would be integrated into the hull.

Outside of the Hunter for communication & fast transit (which only really applies IMO if they have been building a lot and/or recharge stations), what would the common troop ship of the Bears be?  Did they get any JS production from the FRR?  Sure they could be building a new pony express communications network but it would make sense to also increase their troop transport capacity at the same time.

Or if they are not planning on rapid troop shifting and lots of logistical transport . . . they could be building more PWS to protect their own space after seeing the Mad Malvina in action and the Dracs on the offensive.  Even if they wiped out any Nova Cat refugees that made it their way, they would still have logs and data for their Watch to go over let alone reports out of the DC.  Anyone really think the Warlord would not like to get back territory that was given over to create the FRR?  Or Combine worlds the Bears still have?

[Frank]

The two clans that have been the quietest lately. Horses now launching soem kind of operation that is poking at the Bears. And the Bears, still in hiberation awaiting something. Building up for something. [tickedoff] [tickedoff]

[Natasha Kerensky]

The two clans that have been the quietest lately. Horses now launching soem kind of operation that is poking at the Bears. And the Bears, still in hiberation awaiting something. Building up for something. [tickedoff] [tickedoff]

The Bears are always building up, but it's never for some external campaign of conquest.  The Bears may be devastating when woken up, but they're reactive, not proactive.  The Bears didn't plan to join the campaign against the Blakists.  They were effectively blackmailed into it by Stone's use of Chandy's findings of connections between the Blakists and Wolverines.  The Bears didn't plan to practically annihilate the Nova Cats.  They were forced into it after multiple insults.  The Bears didn't plan to take over the Vega Prefecture.  It basically fell into their lap thanks to a rogue galaxy and circumstance.

That could all change with a change in leadership.  But historically, the Bears are too inwardly focused to plan an external campaign of conquest.

I'd say the same largely applies to the Horses, except they're foolhardy enough to get caught up in other Clans' (Falcons') campaigns of conquest.

To be clear, I love both the Bears and Horses.  I just wish they were more proactive and aggressive like barbarian techno-hordes should be and like their cousin Clans (Wolf, Falcon, Raven, and certain Fox/Shark elements) are.

My 2 Kerenskies... YMMV.