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HOrses and the Great Refusal
« on: 08 May 2011, 21:47:19 »
So I'm thinking of choosing some other factions besides the Combine after 25 years of BT. For my Clan factions I need a IS and Homeworld Clan. The Homeworld ones are still up in the air between the Adders and the Yotes. However, for the IS Clan I was looking at the Horses. The combined arms seems fun and different.

With that said, I've been doing some researching and I discovered an anomaly. The Horse participated in the Great Refusal and lost to the FRR's 3rd Drakons. By losing in the Great Refusal by what right can they obtain a IS zone in the DA/Jihad? Is it due to the fact that the Bears and the FRR joined forces so since the Drakons don't exist the ruling is void? Or they only took world's from other clans and that makes it legal? Or that they already had worlds in the IS so they could still expand there?

Help please?
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Re: HOrses and the Great Refusal
« Reply #1 on: 08 May 2011, 21:49:14 »
The "Right" the Horses use to claim their Occupation Zone in the Inner Sphere is the same as anything for the Clan system. The Wolves and the Jade Falcons were too weak to hold their territories.
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Re: HOrses and the Great Refusal
« Reply #2 on: 08 May 2011, 21:52:42 »
Losing in the Great Refusal doesn't ban a Clan from having IS holdings.  Especially since the Horses didn't even gain IS holdings until after the Great Refusal.
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Re: HOrses and the Great Refusal
« Reply #3 on: 08 May 2011, 21:56:56 »
Quote from: Decoy on 08 May 2011, 21:49:14
The "Right" the Horses use to claim their Occupation Zone in the Inner Sphere is the same as anything for the Clan system. The Wolves and the Jade Falcons were too weak to hold their territories.

it's not quite that, it's a little more complicated than 'they were weak and we took holding.' the horses were initially granted worlds in the IS because of a political scheme by vlad, and they were kicked off the planets given to them. the second time they invaded was to get the heck out of the homeworlds, and they double crossed a few people to do it. the great refusal was to put an end top the initial clan invasion, and if i have my facts straight that's also when the invasion border was put up (i have a terrible memory when it comes to facts) 

Quote from: Arkansas Warrior on 08 May 2011, 21:52:42
Losing in the Great Refusal doesn't ban a Clan from having IS holdings.  Especially since the Horses didn't even gain IS holdings until after the Great Refusal.

this also
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Re: HOrses and the Great Refusal
« Reply #4 on: 08 May 2011, 21:59:57 »
The Great Refusal ended the "combined" invasion of the Clans of the IS.  It does not however stop another Clan from invading the IS of its own accord.  Not to mention the Horses invaded the Clan Wolf and Clan Jade Falcon OZs.  It is Clan territory that they took and not technically speaking worlds of an IS house.
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Re: HOrses and the Great Refusal
« Reply #5 on: 11 May 2011, 23:47:31 »
I would think that the Horses would satisfy your requirements for both a Home & Invader clan.

They were Home for a long time & only just entered the IS in large #s.
By the time they do, its because the Homeworlds get shut off & we loose all storyline to them.

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