Let's talk about: TRO Golden Century

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

I fully intend to once the mini gets released.

[DarkISI]

I didn't even know "extinct" was a design quirk. I thought stuff like that was covered under "obsolete".

Obsolete means "still around, but only marginally, because there is a newer, better variant". Extinct means "it's gone".

[Liam's Ghost]

Obsolete means "still around, but only marginally, because there is a newer, better variant". Extinct means "it's gone".

The text of the Obsolete quirk specifies mechs that are no longer in production for which compatible parts are not available. It doesn't actually require the mech to be superseded by a superior model, and has been used before for mechs that were simply extinct (such as the Rampage or Dragoon. Those weren't replaced by better hardware, they died out).

I can't even find a description for an "extinct" design quirk. And I went through TRO Golden Century, Battlemech Manual, Strategic Operation, the most recent Strategic Operation errata, and all of the primitive xtros just in case. Which book is it in?

Because just from the context of the name itself, it seems to either be doing a job already being done, or it's trying to say "don't use this mech, you would be WRONG". Which would be silly. You're not the boss of me, design quirk. I'ma throw a Vision Quest in a modern force just to spite you.

[DarkISI]

The text of the Obsolete quirk specifies mechs that are no longer in production for which compatible parts are not available. It doesn't actually require the mech to be superseded by a superior model, and has been used before for mechs that were simply extinct (such as the Rampage or Dragoon. Those weren't replaced by better hardware, they died out).

I can't even find a description for an "extinct" design quirk. And I went through TRO Golden Century, Battlemech Manual, Strategic Operation, the most recent Strategic Operation errata, and all of the primitive xtros just in case. Which book is it in?

Because just from the context of the name itself, it seems to either be doing a job already being done, or it's trying to say "don't use this mech, you would be WRONG". Which would be silly. You're not the boss of me, design quirk. I'ma throw a Vision Quest in a modern force just to spite you.

I tried to simplify it in my response. What you do in your own game, is totally up to you. But if you want to stay within canon, some units are not available in some eras. Either because they have not been developed yet or they are extinct and there are simply none around.
But, as far as your own game goes, you can use a Fire Wolf in 2775, that's totally up to you.

[Liam's Ghost]

I tried to simplify it in my response. What you do in your own game, is totally up to you. But if you want to stay within canon, some units are not available in some eras. Either because they have not been developed yet or they are extinct and there are simply none around.
But, as far as your own game goes, you can use a Fire Wolf in 2775, that's totally up to you.

You miss my point. I'm not asking for permission to do what I want in my games and I'm not begrudging the writers for having a story line for Gods sake.

The quirk is so vague and meaningless and distinctly absent from everywhere else that I can see that I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S A TYPO OR NOT! I've got plenty of reasons to wonder if it's just not supposed to be there, based on how every other extinct thing has been handled, the fact that "extinct" doesn't appear as a quirk in any rule book or errata that I have access to, and the fact that it isn't even being applied consistently in the one book that I know it's appeared in, but I've also got a writer telling me that I just don't get it man.

Where is quirk? Why is quirk? Is this errata? Is something else supposed to be erratad?

Does this quirk even really exist? Do I exist? Was I extinct all along?

[DarkISI]

Where is quirk? Why is quirk? Is this errata? Is something else supposed to be erratad?

It was carried over from the Master Unit List, where we have been using it for over a decade.

Does this quirk even really exist?

Yes

Do I exist?

For the time being you were granted live by your maternal parent.

Was I extinct all along?

Yes.

[Liam's Ghost]

It was carried over from the Master Unit List, where we have been using it for over a decade.

That... actually makes it sound even more like an error. Since extinct never made into BMR or Strat Ops, nor has it show up in any other product but this one, it looks an AWFUL LOT like internal notation that was supposed to be removed.

It would be silly to just throw it out there without any context or meaning, particularly when it appears to be ambiguous whether it should be applied to the Minsk and the Molniya and Sun Bear don't have it but are clearly described as completely gone by the text. It doesn't appear to be applied evenly in the very book where it was first shown to the reader.

Or are we supposed to be speculating about what the "not actually" extinct Molniya is supposed to mean? Could the homeworld invasion be coming behind an armada of fairly mediocre corvettes?

   

[MarikMilitaMan]

Or are we supposed to be speculating about what the "not actually" extinct Molniya is supposed to mean? Could the homeworld invasion be coming behind an armada of fairly mediocre corvettes?

is it wrong that I quite like that idea?