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BrianDavion

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Re: Machines of the First Princes?
« Reply #60 on: 25 September 2024, 01:46:12 »
it's been inffered his schitzophrenia cuased his neurohelmet incompatablity
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Re: Machines of the First Princes?
« Reply #61 on: 25 September 2024, 03:52:49 »
it's been inffered his schitzophrenia cuased his neurohelmet incompatablity


It's definitely plausible; we know neurological conditions can cause that (one character in A Call To Arms is rendered unable to synch with a BattleMech-grade neurohelmet due to a TBI, though she can still use an IndustrialMech-grade one). However, I was more referring to why Caleb got shifted into armour specifically; we don't know on that count, and I'd have to check Sword of Sedition but IIRC Julian mentions Caleb being "rushed through" training and shuffled off to honourary command of the Syrtis Avengers' tank brigade with undue haste.


Might just be as simple as armour command training having the quickest training cycle and Harrison just wanting things done with, for all we know.
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Re: Machines of the First Princes?
« Reply #62 on: 25 September 2024, 04:06:55 »

It's definitely plausible; we know neurological conditions can cause that (one character in A Call To Arms is rendered unable to synch with a BattleMech-grade neurohelmet due to a TBI, though she can still use an IndustrialMech-grade one). However, I was more referring to why Caleb got shifted into armour specifically; we don't know on that count, and I'd have to check Sword of Sedition but IIRC Julian mentions Caleb being "rushed through" training and shuffled off to honourary command of the Syrtis Avengers' tank brigade with undue haste.


Might just be as simple as armour command training having the quickest training cycle and Harrison just wanting things done with, for all we know.

Affluenza, and he probably couldn't medical for Flight school even with a waiver.

LOOK at the man's behaviors-and don't use Schizophrenic episodes as an excuse, look at how he applies his base assumptions.

Here's how it most likely went down;

Caleb was Harrison's darling son, maybe the only son he could get from his wife (and/or concubines) and the Crown Prince of the Federated Suns as well.

So Caleb is raised like little lord Fauntleroy, gets what he wants, when he wants it, other people get the discipline (maybe the Feddies resurrected that ancient feudal practice of 'The Whipping boy', which might explain his sadism to an extent).

Well, he gets to that age where you test for 'mechwarrior ability (the ability to synch a neurohelmet) and shock-of-shocks!! He can't make it work, maybe even picked up a bit of a feedback injury from trying.

This obviously DQ's him from 'mechs, but it also DQ'q him from Aviation, and maybe his reflexes underline it.

But! He's the Royal Heir!!

and he's soft, sensitive to slights, not infantry material.

Where do you stick him?

In a Tank, with a crew cross-trained as bodyguards, because the First Prince Must have a military background *(it's the law!) and Armor has, at least, some cache' above Infantry.

(and it's not like the FSN has a Naval command that doesn't demand fighter branch first.)

Ergo, they make him a  tanker and give him a crew that will cover his ass both in the field, and cover for his...excesses at home (because Danai was probably NOT the first girl who said 'no' and he just went ahead and did to her anyway.)

Which is also why, once it sank in just what kind of 'man' Caleb was, Harry decided he'd rather have Julian on the throne.
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Re: Machines of the First Princes?
« Reply #63 on: 25 September 2024, 06:02:41 »
In sword of Sedition Julian has a inner monologue how caleb failed his Mechwarrior training and switched to the armor corps, rushing his training. As others stated he probably couldn't perform the "skull-cap test" which disqualifies a pilot from Mech and fighter training. This leaves armor and infantry. and you can't send the possible heir to the infantry. At least give him some protection around him (why not put him in a Challenger or even Gürteltier then?). Heck if Harrison would have had a sense of humor he would have put Caleb into a Partisan tank. Then in fortress Republic Gavin hands Julian the medical records as well as the training records which implies that Harrison manipulated things behind the scenes. Perhaps worth to mention: if those records would have become public Harrison would most likely have been pressured to sire another child. The problem was that he was advised not to concive another child with his wife or she would actualy die. And as he loved her so dearly he probably did not want to divorce her or take a mistress. And from there I would assume he began tohatch a plan: build up another heir which in this case was Julian who got a "training on the job" especially with the tour to Terra. Problem in that case of course was that NOBODY within the Suns administration or high command knew about this.

Btw the Federated Suns had once nearly a civil war over which branch would dominate: Mechs or aerospace fighters. Was that prince an actual aerospace fighter pilot? Or were the Princes always Mech pilots?
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Re: Machines of the First Princes?
« Reply #64 on: 25 September 2024, 06:22:17 »
Btw the Federated Suns had once nearly a civil war over which branch would dominate: Mechs or aerospace fighters. Was that prince an actual aerospace fighter pilot? Or were the Princes always Mech pilots?


We don't know what service branch Peter Davion was, just that he was using aerospace fighter-won victories as a wedge to get the Warrior Cabals out of power. And I don't think we know on the second count either; most of the First Princes whose service branch we know have been mechwarriors, but not all (Ellen Davion, for instance, served entirely in staff side postings (albeit that was due mainly to her arsehole brother James exerting considerable effort to keep her out of combat training)).
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Re: Machines of the First Princes?
« Reply #65 on: 25 September 2024, 13:19:42 »
IIRC it was actually the failed neurohelmet testing that caused doctors to look more closely at Caleb's neurological profile and discover what was wrong with him.  But it's been a decade+ since I read those books, and I'm not sure I could find the reference if I had my copy.
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Re: Machines of the First Princes?
« Reply #66 on: 25 September 2024, 15:14:10 »
The most clear hint is in Fortress Republic in the dialogue between Julian and Gavin. Gavin opens with "Caleb is insane" and Julian first answers half jokingly and Gavin dryly states "Clinical insane" while passing Julian all those medical records and I think also Caleb's training records which were buried / falsified by Harrison.
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