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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #90 on: 11 June 2018, 16:38:18 »
I'm looking at them, and I'm thinking that the Hohiro is superior to the Widowmaker.

Yeah, that UAC-20 will wreck anything it hits, but the odds of it getting a chance to hit anything aren't good; it's more an area-denial weapon than anything else, at the Daishi's speed.

Originally the Dire Wolf Widowmaker was built to be the maximum damage output . . . before we had things like HE ATMs or some of the tech that came after.  The title was taken by the ATM heavy Turkina IIRC.

And yeah . . . I have used the UAC/20 on the Widowmaker before.  I prefer the Dire Wolf Prime simply because I am a ranged player . . . and I enjoyed showing a Dire Wolf A (read cLPL) lover his folly . . . 2 Dire Wolf A vs a Dire Wolf Prime & Supernova.  It did not go as he expected.
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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #91 on: 11 June 2018, 19:10:44 »
Clan LPLs are too bulky for their damage output when fighting other assault mechs.

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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #92 on: 11 June 2018, 21:12:18 »
I prefer the cERLL as I mentioned, but that is what I heard the purpose of the design was- pack the highest damage output into a single mech.  Considering it does 109 if it lands everything on a double tap . . . Turkina D beats it now with 4 ATM12s & 2 ERML for a max output of 158 if it all lands, which is harder b/c of the missiles.
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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #93 on: 11 June 2018, 21:21:28 »
The Turkey is also doing it in 5 point clusters, so it's got to do more sanding on average to punch through enemy armor.

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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #94 on: 12 June 2018, 12:58:36 »
Not really the Dire Wolf's LL are her only weapons that punch above 5. Bad die rolls can easily put her in the same spot. The Turkina D's big problem is ammo dependence. She is either going to run out or have some blow up on her.

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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #95 on: 12 June 2018, 13:03:46 »
 . . . he was talking about the Widowmaker, which is 2 ERPPCs, 2 ERLL, a UAC/20, pair of ERML and a ERSL . . . last is all that does 5.  The Prime is four ERLL 10 point hits and four MPLs for 7 point hits.
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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #96 on: 12 June 2018, 16:11:59 »
Got heat and damage backwards in my head but yeah a Widowmaker will be much more satifing to drive then a Turk D.

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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #97 on: 15 June 2018, 21:04:56 »
and I enjoyed showing a Dire Wolf A (read cLPL) lover his folly
I mean, the A variant is certainly my favorite Dire, but it's not because it triple-mounts LPLs (Even if that is partially a factor).

I prefer Dire Wolf A because it's capable of rounding out an assault lance with a cooler-running 100-tonner that doesn't notably specialize in anything, but performs reasonably well across the board. (That said, I prefer replacing two tons of AMS ammo with an SRM-4 and a ton of Smoke ammo.)
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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #98 on: 15 June 2018, 22:44:53 »
Smoke rounds?  On a Clan mech?

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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #99 on: 15 June 2018, 22:50:53 »
Smoke rounds?  On a Clan mech?
If they cannot shoot me through smoke, they are surely a lesser warrior, quiaff?

I prefer IS anyways, though, so the games I tend to play only have one or two Clan mechs per side maximum when it's a company per.

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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #100 on: 16 June 2018, 00:39:23 »
I'm looking at them, and I'm thinking that the Hohiro is superior to the Widowmaker.

Yeah, that UAC-20 will wreck anything it hits, but the odds of it getting a chance to hit anything aren't good; it's more an area-denial weapon than anything else, at the Daishi's speed.

The Hohiro, on the other hand, has a fifth long range weapon, and it's one that will hit consistently at medium range.

Your not the only one.  The Hohiro is up there best designed pod configuration of ANY chassis in existence.  It just screams I'm going to eat you from 20 hexes.


The Widowmaker was always more cool than optimized.
Not that its UN-optimized either.  LOL
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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #101 on: 16 June 2018, 00:41:02 »
2 Dire Wolf A vs a Dire Wolf Prime & Supernova.  It did not go as he expected.
Clearly that player does not know how to RUN forward every turn

Clan LPLs are too bulky for their damage output when fighting other assault mechs.
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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #102 on: 16 June 2018, 00:42:20 »
I mean, the A variant is certainly my favorite Dire, but it's not because it triple-mounts LPLs (Even if that is partially a factor).

I prefer Dire Wolf A because it's capable of rounding out an assault lance with a cooler-running 100-tonner that doesn't notably specialize in anything, but performs reasonably well across the board. (That said, I prefer replacing two tons of AMS ammo with an SRM-4 and a ton of Smoke ammo.)

Agreed.  I'm not a fan of LPL's.  I like the A for its ammo reserves & generalist feel.   You just point it at something & don't stop moving forward, it only gets more powerful the closer it gets.
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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #103 on: 16 June 2018, 11:12:26 »
Even then, two free rounds of fire . . . first round is 70 potential damage, second free round is 80 potential damage provided you moved right by being 21 hexes.  Rolls being 9s with standard Clan pilots.  I also want to say he had them staggered 4 hexes apart . . . so 1 entered range before the other and had to endure more hits before the 2nd one reached its range.
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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #104 on: 16 June 2018, 12:04:22 »
Entering in a line certainly doesn't bode well for tactics for sure.
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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #105 on: 24 June 2018, 18:33:12 »
I think the Dire Wolf's timeline supports an idea that the DIre Wolf was created to help the Wolf Dragoons more then creating a new assault much for the Wolf Touman

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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #106 on: 24 June 2018, 19:07:38 »
I think the Dire Wolf's timeline supports an idea that the DIre Wolf was created to help the Wolf Dragoons more then creating a new assault much for the Wolf Touman

...so?  It's a cute theory, but I don't see how that meaningfully impacts anything.
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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #107 on: 24 June 2018, 23:22:04 »
Especially sincere Dragoons came to the inner sphere without any of te mechs.

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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #108 on: 25 June 2018, 00:15:01 »
Especially sincere Dragoons came to the inner sphere without any of te mechs.

And them actually fielding one would've blown their cover right away.  Not just a 100 design that had never been seen in the IS (like the Imp and Annihilator) but one that used tech superior even to Star League tech and was of destructive capabilities even Atlas pilots couldn't imagine.

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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #109 on: 25 June 2018, 02:29:44 »
And them actually fielding one would've blown their cover right away.  Not just a 100 design that had never been seen in the IS (like the Imp and Annihilator) but one that used tech superior even to Star League tech and was of destructive capabilities even Atlas pilots couldn't imagine.

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Granted my point is that blood of Kerensky makes it clear all the Dragoons omnis where built on Outreach not brought with them.

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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #110 on: 25 June 2018, 10:54:21 »
...so?  It's a cute theory, but I don't see how that meaningfully impacts anything.

I think it speaks to the nature of the Dragoon Mission more than anything. You don't send a recon team in with the design specs and capabilities of your nastiest Assault Mech. The fact that they could manufacture them when the time is right demonstrates the Warden intentions and "secret orders" they were given.
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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #111 on: 25 June 2018, 11:04:50 »
They weren’t given the specs and new orders until the 3019 supply run, IIRC.  In 3005, they were just recon.
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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #112 on: 26 June 2018, 00:32:02 »
They might have had specs besides the D-Wolf, (not being created till 3010 iirc), but yes, in their last run when they met with Kerlin Ward they were given the most up to date specs/intel at the time which then would have included the D-Wolf.

The instructions were pretty clear, prepare the IS to facing the eventual invasion.

Which I have to say, they did a very piss poor job of doing.

Basically they didn't do a damn thing till after the invasion started.

But that is a bit off topic I suppose.
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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #113 on: 26 June 2018, 11:33:02 »
Well . . . IMO you have to get into things not really covered . . . ROM vs Wolfnet battles to protect the Helm Core and other tech spread- also helps explain the development of the LFE and their support of Battle Magic's R&D which brought MML.  How much they might have supported the development of 'new' mechs like the Hatchetman, Merlin and Wolfhound.  Outreach as a training center and helping increase merc numbers which grows the troop base.

Could they have done more without the secret getting out?  Probably . . . but by that time Jaime was tired and enmeshed in Sphere politics.
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Re: MOTW - Dire Wolf
« Reply #114 on: 12 September 2018, 10:59:14 »
Your not the only one.  The Hohiro is up there best designed pod configuration of ANY chassis in existence.  It just screams I'm going to eat you from 20 hexes.

Not that its UN-optimized either.  LOL
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