Register Register

Author Topic: Retractable blade  (Read 5936 times)

agen2

  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 1787
  • Il sobillatore.
Retractable blade
« on: 14 March 2012, 05:33:52 »
I was wondering what the purpose of the retractable blade.
The rules say that it deals 1 damage every 10 tons, just like a normal punch.
The question is, why pay tons of mechs to equip a weapon that if I can get the same damage without it?
Am I missing something maybe?

the real Deus

  • Private
  • *
  • Posts: 46
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #1 on: 14 March 2012, 05:44:10 »
The Retractable Blade gets a -2 to hit modifier when extracted. Just like a sword. Nevertheless it functions even without a hand actuator and got some optional rules in TacOps.


"The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion."
   Arthur C. Clarke

agen2

  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 1787
  • Il sobillatore.
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #2 on: 14 March 2012, 05:47:00 »
Thanks for the info, but I tried (perhaps not accurately) on TW, but nothing is mentioned.
Now i'm going to check TacOps.

Pegasus Actual

  • Private
  • *
  • Posts: 40
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #3 on: 14 March 2012, 06:04:16 »
The TacOps rule that lets it automatically get a crit chance is kinda cool, if nothing else. I haven't tried it yet, but extra through-armor crits sound useful if you get into melee.
Warhammer Faye "Cairn Wraith II" avatar by me.

Diamondshark

  • Lieutenant
  • *
  • Posts: 1262
  • Bringing back the enlightenment to the Star League
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #4 on: 14 March 2012, 07:29:03 »
Under TW, the retractable blade is dead weight. Under TacOps, providing the blade does not snap when you use it, the retractable blade is a true terror, and I seldom use any other melee weapon (except Talons and the large vibroblade).
"We are the Clans, the Star League incarnate.
None can stand against us and survive."

-- The Remembrance, Passage 272, Verse 8, Lines 18-19

Fear Factory

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 3423
  • Designing the Enemy
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #5 on: 22 March 2012, 03:00:42 »
The TacOps rule that lets it automatically get a crit chance is kinda cool, if nothing else. I haven't tried it yet, but extra through-armor crits sound useful if you get into melee.

It's great.  Use the punch chart.

Youngblood

  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 2237
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #6 on: 23 March 2012, 13:31:17 »
Thanks for the info, but I tried (perhaps not accurately) on TW, but nothing is mentioned.
Now i'm going to check TacOps.

The -2 to-hit modifier you're looking for is on the Physical Weapon Attacks Table on page 146 of Total Warfare.

Nahuris

  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 2066
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #7 on: 23 March 2012, 19:34:45 »
This is a great idea... but the overall execution was poor ---- they should state that it counts as a sword under TW rules, and leave the advanced rules alone.
Right now, it's considered a hand weapon, like the club --- but only does a single punch for damage, and rolls on the full body chart, like a hatchet, and like a hatchet, you can only make one melee weapon attack a turn.
I'd rather drop it and just punch... at least then, I get the punch table.

Nahuris
"A friend will calm you down when you are angry, but a BEST friend will skip along beside you with a baseball bat singing "someone's gonna get it."

"If we are ever in a situation, where I am the voice of reason, we are in a very bad situation."

Weirdo

  • Painter of Borth the Magic Puma
  • Global Moderator
  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 32100
  • Divided States of SMASH
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #8 on: 23 March 2012, 19:53:29 »
Fun part is when you try to go for the stabbity. That whole auto-crit thing happens when you punch someone and the blade is retracted. You extend the blade during the punch, and that causes the auto-crit chance, albeit at the risk of snapping the blade off. But since this occured during a punch attack, it will be on punch locations... ^-^
"Thanks to Megamek, I can finally play BattleTech the way it was meant to be played--pantsless!"   -Neko Bijin
"It's just that the Hegemony had one answer to every naval problem. 'I kills it with my battleships.'" - Liam's Ghost
"...finally, giant space panties don't seem so strange." - Whistler
"The BT universe is startlingly deficient in both wisdom and hindsight." - Cray
"Damn you, Weirdo... Damn you for being right!" - Paul
There's no shame in designing customs, so long as you keep them private and wash your hands afterwards.

Pa Weasley

  • Freelance Writer
  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 5513
  • Spotted near Lake Springfield.
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #9 on: 23 March 2012, 19:57:36 »
... you get an overly dramatic visual for bad fanfiction?

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Freelance Writer
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 8020
  • Painted by Mastergunz
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #10 on: 23 March 2012, 23:41:32 »
It's retractable so when you go the formal event with your awesome 'Mech, security doesn't toss you for carrying a knife.
Master Unit List website - where to find units, what factions use them, what's their BV?
http://www.masterunitlist.info
3025-3050 Random Assignment Tables -
Also contains faction deployment & rarity info and Quirk lists.
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1219.0

Youngblood

  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 2237
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #11 on: 24 March 2012, 02:01:26 »
... you get an overly dramatic visual for bad fanfiction?

I'd say it isn't that overly dramatic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhPmmxZQHe0&t=1m17s

The rest of the video's pretty awesome too.

Weirdo

  • Painter of Borth the Magic Puma
  • Global Moderator
  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 32100
  • Divided States of SMASH
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #12 on: 24 March 2012, 08:40:06 »
... you get an overly dramatic visual for bad fanfiction?

Giant robots, mile-long spaceships, and women in short shorts and spandex. Battletech passed overly dramatic a looong time ago... :D
« Last Edit: 24 March 2012, 08:43:11 by Weirdo »
"Thanks to Megamek, I can finally play BattleTech the way it was meant to be played--pantsless!"   -Neko Bijin
"It's just that the Hegemony had one answer to every naval problem. 'I kills it with my battleships.'" - Liam's Ghost
"...finally, giant space panties don't seem so strange." - Whistler
"The BT universe is startlingly deficient in both wisdom and hindsight." - Cray
"Damn you, Weirdo... Damn you for being right!" - Paul
There's no shame in designing customs, so long as you keep them private and wash your hands afterwards.

StCptMara

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 6010
  • Looking for new Adder skin boots
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #13 on: 24 March 2012, 10:47:44 »
One of the biggest advantages of a Retractable blade is that it is a sword....that can lose actuators and NOT be affected.

Well...that, and the TacOps TAC roll...
"Victory or Debt!"- The Battlecry of Mercenaries everywhere

"Greetings, Mechwarrior! You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the frontier against---Oops, wrong universe" - Unknown SLDF Recruiter

Reality and Battletech go hand in hand like a drug induced hallucination and engineering a fusion reactor ;-)

Fear Factory

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 3423
  • Designing the Enemy
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #14 on: 24 March 2012, 13:18:12 »
Well...that, and the TacOps TAC roll...

Which needs to be moved into TW now.  It's not unbalancing considering it has a chance of breaking.

blackjack

  • When you're a professional pirate ...
  • Catalyst Demo Team
  • Lieutenant
  • *
  • Posts: 988
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #15 on: 24 March 2012, 14:55:19 »
So retractable blade = single attack?  They really need to look at being able to Tacops critpunch with each arm. That could be some deadly fun.
Fight Well, Die Hard  Agent #704                                   

Weirdo

  • Painter of Borth the Magic Puma
  • Global Moderator
  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 32100
  • Divided States of SMASH
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #16 on: 24 March 2012, 16:01:09 »
Who said you can't? When you critpunch(I like that term!), you're punching, with all the rules therein. I haven't seen a rules thread about it, but I also don't see the need for one.

A critpunch is a punch.

You can double-punch.

Ergo, you can double-critpunch.

Now if you extend the blade and use it as a melee weapon attack, then yeah, you can only attack with one at a time. On the other hand, that might sometimes be desired, such as when attacking something really fast and you want the to-hit bonuses, or something lower than you and thus unpunchable or a 'mech already has weakened legs, but the odds are low so you don't want to risk falling after missing a kick...my favorite part about the blade is the flexibility. It gives you many options, even if some of them only come up in very narrow circumstances.
"Thanks to Megamek, I can finally play BattleTech the way it was meant to be played--pantsless!"   -Neko Bijin
"It's just that the Hegemony had one answer to every naval problem. 'I kills it with my battleships.'" - Liam's Ghost
"...finally, giant space panties don't seem so strange." - Whistler
"The BT universe is startlingly deficient in both wisdom and hindsight." - Cray
"Damn you, Weirdo... Damn you for being right!" - Paul
There's no shame in designing customs, so long as you keep them private and wash your hands afterwards.

Diamondshark

  • Lieutenant
  • *
  • Posts: 1262
  • Bringing back the enlightenment to the Star League
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #17 on: 26 March 2012, 00:09:34 »
So retractable blade = single attack?  They really need to look at being able to Tacops critpunch with each arm. That could be some deadly fun.

I made a light mech with two AES-enhanced Retractable Blades--it was fast enough to get on your back, accurate enough to not miss, and it had two possible TACs per turn, with a 33% chance of hitting the head. It did mean things to the enemy...
"We are the Clans, the Star League incarnate.
None can stand against us and survive."

-- The Remembrance, Passage 272, Verse 8, Lines 18-19

Youngblood

  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 2237
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #18 on: 26 March 2012, 00:20:54 »
I made a light mech with two AES-enhanced Retractable Blades--it was fast enough to get on your back, accurate enough to not miss, and it had two possible TACs per turn, with a 33% chance of hitting the head. It did mean things to the enemy...

You just made my day with that idea.  Now I just need to find some Celestials to disable in the campaign I'm in....

RunandFindOut

  • Lieutenant
  • *
  • Posts: 1262
  • Master of the LolCat Horde
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #19 on: 26 March 2012, 00:32:56 »
I made a light mech with two AES-enhanced Retractable Blades--it was fast enough to get on your back, accurate enough to not miss, and it had two possible TACs per turn, with a 33% chance of hitting the head. It did mean things to the enemy...
But did you name it Stabbity?

I need to do that, maybe mix up retractable blades, SRMs with Tandem Warhead ammo, have a nice little party.
One does not just walk into Detroit

She ignored the dragon, and Freddy Mercury who arrived to battle it with the Power of Rock.

Auman

  • Warrant Officer
  • *
  • Posts: 430
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #20 on: 26 March 2012, 08:29:57 »
The retractable blade is awesome because... FALCOOOOOOON PUUUUUUNCH!

Maelwys

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 4338
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #21 on: 26 March 2012, 15:45:27 »
I made up a Seraph variant for fun, running around with 3/5/5 movement, twin retractable blades and a battery of VSPs that let it manage its heat for its TSM. It was fun to jump around in it, keeping opponents off balance with the worry of TSM enhanced punches..and even if I didn't hit the head, I was probably going to crit something...

Not sure if the tonnage spent on the twin retractable blades was worth it, but it was fun seeing how opponents reacted to it :)

Hanse Davion61

  • Guest
Re: Retractable blade
« Reply #22 on: 07 April 2012, 07:51:43 »
Retractable blades, now someone was thinking of Solaris 7, I like to play with just physical weapons in Solaris and boy blades are nasty, in out in out shake em all about, great weapons for warriors no matter who they are, also shows how good pilots are in close combat, slicey slicey oncey twicey he he he.

 

Register