(Answered) Shotgun solid slugs

[Acolyte]

There only seems to be 1 shotgun listed that uses solid slugs (the Avenger CCW). Am I missing them?

If not, what are rules?  ;)

Thanks
   - Shane

[HABeas2]

Hello,

....Oops.


Thank you,

- Herbert Beas
  BattleTech
  Catalyst Game Labs

[Acolyte]

Should I post this in the Erratta Thread?

Thank you
   - Shane

[HABeas2]

Hello,

You may, though a solution has not yet been offered. (It would most likely appear as a special munition line.)

Thank you,

- Herbert Beas

[Acolyte]

OK.

Hmm... in the one example it seems to increase the AP by 3 and loses the Splash effect.....
Might be a bit much for the Combat Shotgun (already has an AP of 3) but might work for the others.
BTW the Combat Shotgun has an AP of 3? That's more than the clan Avenger.
Well, maybe it's just using larger shot/less pellets.
Perhaps simply raising the AP to 5 or maybe 4 (leaving the Avenger slightly nastier than IS models).

Anyway, just thoughts.

Thank You
   - Shane

[HABeas2]

Hello,

Probably not the exact approach I'd have in mind, but something to think about in the future...

Thank you,

- Herbert Beas

[Paul]

It would be a specialty ammo that delivers the following changes:

Item: Shotgun Solid Slugs
Equipment Ratings: B/A-A-A/B
AP/BD: +3B / -0S
Cost/Reload: x4
Notes: Shotguns only.

All other stats blank.

[Acolyte]

Thank you! Did you mean for the slugs to maintain the Splash damage effect? Or should it be +3B/-0?

   - Shane

[HABeas2]

Hi,

That's why it's a -0S. -0 alone didn't seem descriptive enough to me. You disagree?

Thanks,

- Herb

[Acolyte]

Ah.... Hmm, I read that wrong. That means other people will also read it wrong, though. Maybe something in the notes section saying that it loses the Splash, or something like +3B/+0(-S).

Following the format of other ammo types like Air Burst and Incendiary. Air Burst has a damage code of -1X/-1S, Incendiary has -1B/-1CS. These are not subtracting the splash effect but adding it.

The Special Game rules for ammo types on pg 284 do say that the letter codes are replaced if they are different but not if they are the same or simply not present, like Burst damage. Problem is that there's no "normal" damage code and it would be overly complicated to add it in, IMO.

Just my thoughts.
   - Shane

[HABeas2]

Actually, the rules state Burst is a special exception. If it was present under the old code for the weapon, it remains present if not mentioned in the new codes, even when not mentioned. (Because it's part of the weapon effect, not the ammo).

Thanks,

- Herb

[Acolyte]

You are correct, the BD code is replaced by the alternate ammo code! My bad.

OK, this doesn't change that using +3B/-0S can be misread (especially by people unfamiliar with shotguns and what slugs are) to be keeping the S code. After all, it appears to be replacing the S code with it's own, an S code. A clarification in the notes section would work.

Thank you!
   - Shane

BTW: Combat Shotguns and Automatic Shotguns with slugs are...... >:D. My new favorite close combat weapons.

[HABeas2]

Hi,

Yes, I agree that I'll need to change BD from -0S to +0. And perhaps add "No splash" to the notes for clarification.

Thanks,

- Herb

[Acolyte]

Cool and thanks again.

   - Shane