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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #180 on: 06 May 2013, 00:10:04 »
Since the release of HTP; New Dallas and new maps,  I guess the TRO 3145 CC will be seen later this month or next month?  I do enjoy HTP; New Dallas.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #181 on: 06 May 2013, 00:28:01 »
Got confused, put comment in the wrong thread

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #182 on: 11 May 2013, 03:52:29 »
Still waitin'.

In the meantime, do you think it might have some new redesign of the good old Vindicator? The mech is the signature of Capellan battlemechs and really deserves a decent redesign... plus, altough they already have a modern variant of it (that means, plasma rifle+stealth armor combo), the VND-6L has a sword and rocket launchers and other non-sense that doesn't belong onto a Vindicator.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #183 on: 11 May 2013, 03:59:49 »
Hey, does anyone think the print TRO: 3145 will have some sort of "Old is the New New" section like TRO: 3085 did? Just showing new variants that weren't complete redesigns?

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #184 on: 11 May 2013, 04:01:29 »
Hey, does anyone think the print TRO: 3145 will have some sort of "Old is the New New" section like TRO: 3085 did? Just showing new variants that weren't complete redesigns?

I would be glad for this.


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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #185 on: 11 May 2013, 05:12:06 »
I would be glad for this.



Like-wise. It would fit with the era too: the cutting edge of brand new tech being rolled out contrasted with older machines re-hashed with new tech.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #186 on: 11 May 2013, 06:19:18 »
I would be glad for this.

Same here! Give some of the old girls some limelight. And put the bloody three legged thingy in it!
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #187 on: 11 May 2013, 07:39:19 »
Same here! Give some of the old girls some limelight. And put the bloody three legged thingy in it!

And here!

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #188 on: 11 May 2013, 08:25:02 »
Hey, does anyone think the print TRO: 3145 will have some sort of "Old is the New New" section like TRO: 3085 did? Just showing new variants that weren't complete redesigns?

That would be pretty sweet IMHO


 +1 for the Vindicator face lift, also I think a Omni Cataphract would be sweet.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #189 on: 11 May 2013, 08:33:31 »
That would be pretty sweet IMHO


 +1 for the Vindicator face lift, also I think a Omni Cataphract would be sweet.

IntroTech everything but the heat sinks and weapons to keep the cost down or all the bells and whistles?

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #190 on: 11 May 2013, 08:49:53 »
IntroTech everything but the heat sinks and weapons to keep the cost down or all the bells and whistles?


Well the Cappies like to do a Low-end/High-end thing.


   So for the regulars they would probably get a Intro Tech design with upgraded weapons with newer armor that is kinda cheap.

  For the High Speeds all the bell & whistles with the kitchen sink thrown in a couple times to make a point.

Now is the prefect time too, everyone but the CC and it seems the DC have been using Stones Hippie fever crack rocks. perfect time to get a bit of a tech lead to keep your enemy's off guard.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #191 on: 11 May 2013, 08:54:54 »
IntroTech everything but the heat sinks and weapons to keep the cost down or all the bells and whistles?

Well, for the first step, they could finally up the engine to a decent speed, since the days of 64 kp/h mediums are long gone...

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« Reply #192 on: 11 May 2013, 09:14:12 »
Well, for the first step, they could finally up the engine to a decent speed, since the days of 64 kp/h mediums are long gone...

Cataphract is a heavy; but I take your point re the Vindicator.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #193 on: 11 May 2013, 09:53:58 »
Would want to see some of the old girls back.   Alot of the Dark age mechs (despite my violent aversion to clicky tech), just seemed not right.   especially towards the end of it.    Anyways 3145 mercs was pretty cool, but how did Clan tech get so prevalent on the merc market?  I mean merc Rats seem to be alot of not quite top of the line machines .  I know sea fox / diamond sharks where selling clan second line machines to IS forces, but I though it was only a hand full at a  time.    Better yet how did the the sharks / foxes get the industrial capacity to keep up?  I've read wars of reaving, and a grand total of 3 dark age books, and currently working through bonfire of worlds.  Or are some clans merchants getting a little greedy, or light fingered? 

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #194 on: 11 May 2013, 10:18:53 »
Would want to see some of the old girls back.   Alot of the Dark age mechs (despite my violent aversion to clicky tech), just seemed not right.   especially towards the end of it.    Anyways 3145 mercs was pretty cool, but how did Clan tech get so prevalent on the merc market?  I mean merc Rats seem to be alot of not quite top of the line machines .  I know sea fox / diamond sharks where selling clan second line machines to IS forces, but I though it was only a hand full at a  time.    Better yet how did the the sharks / foxes get the industrial capacity to keep up?  I've read wars of reaving, and a grand total of 3 dark age books, and currently working through bonfire of worlds.  Or are some clans merchants getting a little greedy, or light fingered? 

Love the Hound btw, and can't wait for a mini to come out.

I think by this time the Sea Foxes have finished converting their Potemkin's into mobile factories plus the factories they captured on Tycross. So they should have a pretty good military industrial complex. plus I am sure they can always sub-contract out to other companies or just buy whole runs and sprinkle it around.

Also I think they've stopped with selling just the lower tech designs a while ago. Kinda hard to capture the market with a old Warhammer IIC when everyone wants a Mad Cat IV.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #195 on: 11 May 2013, 10:57:51 »
Cataphract is a heavy; but I take your point re the Vindicator.

Yeah, I was talking about the Vindicator.  O:-)

Anyways 3145 mercs was pretty cool, but how did Clan tech get so prevalent on the merc market?  I mean merc Rats seem to be alot of not quite top of the line machines .  I know sea fox / diamond sharks where selling clan second line machines to IS forces, but I though it was only a hand full at a  time.

Didn't IS practically catch-up with Clan tech by the 3145, making even second-line units too primitive for their use?

Besides, weren't Mad Cats III+ built specifically to sell to the Inner Sphere as the most prominent Clans stayed true to the original and didn't want any of them, thus making selling to the IS a very viable alternative?

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #196 on: 11 May 2013, 11:32:11 »
Besides, weren't Mad Cats III+ built specifically to sell to the Inner Sphere as the most prominent Clans stayed true to the original and didn't want any of them, thus making selling to the IS a very viable alternative?

That's true for both the Mad Cat Mk.II (in 3060s) and the Mad Cat III (in 3080s)

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« Reply #197 on: 11 May 2013, 12:02:56 »
That's true for both the Mad Cat Mk.II (in 3060s) and the Mad Cat III (in 3080s)

Yeah, altough looking back at the mech's equipment and pondering about it's prize, it surely isn't widespread around all the mercenary groups working in the Inner Sphere.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #198 on: 11 May 2013, 12:17:52 »
Take RATs for what you will, but both are pretty prominent on the 3145 mercenary tables....or so I think.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #199 on: 11 May 2013, 13:06:48 »
Personally, I'd be more interested in new unit types, as opposed to upgrades of older ones. (There will likely be a fair few of the latter in any case, such as the Atlas "Solitude" noted earlier in the thread as a likely candidate for the 'Mech seen as an escort to the Ares Colossal shown in ER:3145.)

As for the Colossi themselves, I'm hoping that they will be in TRO:3145 Republic of the Sphere. I wonder if we'll "only" get the variants shown in MW:DA/AoD (The Zeus, Hera, Hades, and Poseidon), or if there'll be a new version which Catalyst have worked up as part of ther own plans for the class?
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #200 on: 11 May 2013, 14:48:52 »
Personally, I'd be more interested in new unit types, as opposed to upgrades of older ones. (There will likely be a fair few of the latter in any case, such as the Atlas "Solitude" noted earlier in the thread as a likely candidate for the 'Mech seen as an escort to the Ares Colossal shown in ER:3145.)

As for the Colossi themselves, I'm hoping that they will be in TRO:3145 Republic of the Sphere. I wonder if we'll "only" get the variants shown in MW:DA/AoD (The Zeus, Hera, Hades, and Poseidon), or if there'll be a new version which Catalyst have worked up as part of ther own plans for the class?

The "solitude" is Jonah Levin's personal ride- I'd expect a new Atlas variant in the future that uses new armor to look "hockey-player" like.

It's possible Catalyst will make a 5th, however only 4 Colossi were statted by Wizkids and Catalyst has been pretty adamant about sticking to their tech readouts (for better or worse).  However, they will be omnimechs for what it's worth, and because of that technically any variant you can come up with can be one.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #201 on: 11 May 2013, 15:18:02 »
Well, the Shark/Foxes are not just selling equipment they are buying, they are selling stuff they picked up in trade or Trial from Nova Cats, Warden Wolves, Ghost Bears, Ravens, Crusader Wolves and Hell's Horses . . . maybe the Falcons.  They also have several worlds and who knows what in the periphery producing things.  I expect they set up shop on the Clan Protectorate as well, maybe upgrading some of the factories they found on those worlds.

But I also expect the Shark/Foxes are selling IS gear around as well based on Petr Kalasa's thoughts about a limo.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #202 on: 11 May 2013, 18:46:18 »
The "solitude" is Jonah Levin's personal ride- I'd expect a new Atlas variant in the future that uses new armor to look "hockey-player" like.

Since "solitude" version of the Atlas came out for MWDA/AoD I kept thinking that the this is the Atlas II next evolutionary step.  The 3085 Atlas basically the cartoonish version which Levin original piloted (his Black Atlas in the original release of MWDA set).

Way the "solitude's" right arm has that Rotary-like gun underslinger is very similar to the Atlas II.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #203 on: 13 May 2013, 07:50:32 »
Hey, does anyone think the print TRO: 3145 will have some sort of "Old is the New New" section like TRO: 3085 did? Just showing new variants that weren't complete redesigns?
Honestly? I think we're more likely to see a Vindicator II then just an upgraded Vindicator.
The days where we were stuck with the same frame due to economic and technology reasons are long past. If they want a 'new' Vindicator, rebuild it from the ground up rather then patching the old one.

The older verisons get shoved into reserve units.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #204 on: 13 May 2013, 11:20:53 »
Honestly? I think we're more likely to see a Vindicator II then just an upgraded Vindicator.

And how would a Vindicatro II be like?

Because really, Vindicator is a generic-mech extraordinaire, it's just great at being that and new versions usually improve on the old model. What is to improve on a generic mech?

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #205 on: 14 May 2013, 09:57:14 »
No idea. I'm sure everyone can come up with their perfectly optimized version of the Vindicator. But if we're doing that anyways, and essentially rebuilding it from the ground up, it's often easier to just make a new machine rather then continually upgrading old machines, even if in terms of stats it's mostly the same thing. It's a prestige thing as it's a 'new' unit rather then continually producing an 'old' one.

As is, we're up to the Enforcer III, the Capellans are falling behind the Davions.  ;D

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #206 on: 15 May 2013, 10:18:01 »
As is, we're up to the Enforcer III, the Capellans are falling behind the Davions.  ;D

But they cheated... altough if you take it from the other side, they couldn't get the design right in three tries while we nailed it on the first one and we did so using leftover junk.  8)

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #207 on: 15 May 2013, 10:27:51 »
I know sea fox / diamond sharks where selling clan second line machines to IS forces, but I though it was only a hand full at a  time.    Better yet how did the the sharks / foxes get the industrial capacity to keep up?

Sea Foxes/Diamond Sharks always loved building infrastructure to support their clan. So the enclaves and mobile factories are pretty strong by now I'd guess. Also, whatever we're building in the chaineline islands and anywhere else people can't see.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #208 on: 15 May 2013, 10:32:31 »
Let's just put it this way. Some clan Battlemech designs are now ubiquitous due to the Sea Foxes. *looks at the Koshi, the Stalking Spider II, and the Black Hawk*

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #209 on: 15 May 2013, 10:38:30 »
Let's just put it this way. Some clan Battlemech designs are now ubiquitous due to the Sea Foxes. *looks at the Koshi, the Stalking Spider II, and the Black Hawk*

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Edit: readout 3145 mercenaries reads like a Diamond Shark Catalogue. But it is not like the inner sphere was not closing that technological gap in the first place. Also, how long can genetically bred warriors trained from birth to be awesome at piloting mechs claim glory from beating up people with less disturbing childhoods in inferior mechs?
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