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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #300 on: 18 May 2013, 18:00:05 »
Given the size of the actual missiles I'd say we might be looking at an Arrow 4 pack.

I can see that. I was thinking 'Mech Mortar myself.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #301 on: 18 May 2013, 19:27:15 »
pretty sure Arrow4 is usually presented with even bigger missiles than those..

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #302 on: 18 May 2013, 20:01:36 »
pretty sure Arrow4 is usually presented with even bigger missiles than those..
Yes, Arrow 4 has always came across to me as firing a single missile, not several. It could be a Cargo Bay with the bomb bay quirk with like 4 Air-to-Air Arrows in it

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #303 on: 18 May 2013, 20:37:08 »
Speaking of the Arrow IV, with the event of the AAV being given stats.  Loading that thing with some Air-Defense Arrows, a lance of them would give those pesky Aerospace Fighters something to think about.  I know other units have Arrows, but something about the AAV is appealing to me for some reason.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #304 on: 18 May 2013, 20:41:03 »
pretty sure Arrow4 is usually presented with even bigger missiles than those..
Yes, Arrow 4 has always came across to me as firing a single missile, not several. It could be a Cargo Bay with the bomb bay quirk with like 4 Air-to-Air Arrows in it
Battlemechs cannot use Cargo Bays. and i'm pretty sure the bomb bay quirk wouldn't apply to anything that isn't an Aircraft.

Arrow4 is usually show with missiles much larger than those depicted on that Dragon.. i'm going ot stand my my assumption it is a Thunderbolt launcher, probably a Thunderbolt10, and they used either Endo or some other weight saving structure to swap the LRM10 of a dragon or Grand Dragon in order to mount a Thunderbolt launcher..

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #305 on: 18 May 2013, 21:04:02 »
Battlemechs cannot use Cargo Bays. and i'm pretty sure the bomb bay quirk wouldn't apply to anything that isn't an Aircraft.
Actually they can use Cargo Bays, they just can't use Bay Doors and I'm pretty sure the SHD-X2 SHADOW HAWK LAM makes use of the Bomb Bay quirk (It does have internal bomb bays at least

Arrow4 is usually show with missiles much larger than those depicted on that Dragon.. i'm going ot stand my my assumption it is a Thunderbolt launcher, probably a Thunderbolt10, and they used either Endo or some other weight saving structure to swap the LRM10 of a dragon or Grand Dragon in order to mount a Thunderbolt launcher..
Problem is that Thunderbolt launchers fire only a single missile regardless of it's size so it would have to be carrying 4 Thunderbolt launchers

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #306 on: 18 May 2013, 21:36:42 »
Bomb bays, as BattleMech equipment, are LAM-only. They're meant specifically to give LAMs the option of a specialized, niche role as fighter-bombers. I then went insane with the concept and gave the Mk I Wasp LAM a five-ton bay just so it could carry nuclear Arrow IV missiles. Unless the rules have changed - they haven't - conventional 'Mechs cannot mount bomb bays, as they'd just be glorified cargo containers and those are already banned.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #307 on: 18 May 2013, 21:45:08 »
Unless theres been MORE changes to the Cargo Bay rules 'Mechs can mount cargo bays

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #308 on: 18 May 2013, 21:49:18 »
Problem is that Thunderbolt launchers fire only a single missile regardless of it's size so it would have to be carrying 4 Thunderbolt launchers
Arrow4 launchers only fire one at a time, but depict 5 missiletubes in the art.
the atlas has 10 tubes, but mounts an LRM20.
regular AC's sometimes get depicted as gatlings, and rotary's not..

battletech art relies heavily on "what looks good", and doesn't always match up to the stats..

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #309 on: 18 May 2013, 21:54:31 »
Unless theres been MORE changes to the Cargo Bay rules 'Mechs can mount cargo bays

Honestly, I have no idea anymore. That's been a back and forth debate since before I was the Errata Monkey, and I'm sure it kept going after I left. But, still, bomb bays are LAM-only. ;)
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #310 on: 20 May 2013, 18:21:28 »
Arrow4 launchers only fire one at a time, but depict 5 missiletubes in the art.
the atlas has 10 tubes, but mounts an LRM20.
regular AC's sometimes get depicted as gatlings, and rotary's not..

battletech art relies heavily on "what looks good", and doesn't always match up to the stats..

Indeed, I'd guess this was a torso mounted Tbolt. Possibly a quad mount of Tbolt5's, perhaps a Tbolt10. Alternatively an SRM/4 is always possible.
The art vs stats isn't always an exact match.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #311 on: 20 May 2013, 18:25:46 »
Indeed, I'd guess this was a torso mounted Tbolt. Possibly a quad mount of Tbolt5's, perhaps a Tbolt10. Alternatively an SRM/4 is always possible.
The art vs stats isn't always an exact match.
seems a big to just be an SRM.. not gonna say it couldn't be though.
Thunderbolt seems the most likely. a simple endosteel upgrade and you could swap an LRM10 for the T-bolt10 and an extra ton of ammo or armor fairly simply.

i wonder what the gun in the arm is though.. looks a bit big for an AC5, and doesn't really look like a PPC.. maybe instead of a larger XL engine on a regular Dragon, they used an XL to fit a bigger AC?

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #312 on: 20 May 2013, 18:55:48 »
I'm surprised how little talk there seems to be about the Rokurokubi on the cover art for TRO:3145 DC.

Is there not much interest in the Dark Age "Samurai" 'Mechs, or is everyone waiting to see what their rules will be like first?

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #313 on: 20 May 2013, 19:02:41 »
Probably waiting to see actual published stats. People have the CapCon TR to look over and debate actual stats and fluff, rather than simply looking at a picture and trying to figure everything out. I'd expect to see more interest if/when additional artwork is released for preview, but for now they probably have other things to talk about.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #314 on: 20 May 2013, 19:06:04 »
Probably waiting to see actual published stats. People have the CapCon TR to look over and debate actual stats and fluff, rather than simply looking at a picture and trying to figure everything out. I'd expect to see more interest if/when additional artwork is released for preview, but for now they probably have other things to talk about.

Ditto. While "Stat this picture" is always a fun exercise, there's a lot of new shiney stuff at the moment :D

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #315 on: 21 May 2013, 08:52:36 »
I'm surprised how little talk there seems to be about the Rokurokubi on the cover art for TRO:3145 DC.

Is there not much interest in the Dark Age "Samurai" 'Mechs, or is everyone waiting to see what their rules will be like first?

Might be residual reluctance leftover from the stated MWDA stats.  For some reason they were really fond of LB5Xs and LRM5s.  I'm fairly sure this will change.  Many subpar MWDA mechs came into BT much better.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #316 on: 21 May 2013, 09:09:56 »
The good news is that they wont be sticking with those stats. The bad news is all the "Samuri" 'Mechs will have 1/2 movement, MASC, reflective armor, and the ranged armament is nothing but small lasers and machine guns. And all four tons of ammo is in the legs.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #317 on: 21 May 2013, 09:20:12 »
I'm surprised how little talk there seems to be about the Rokurokubi on the cover art for TRO:3145 DC.

Is there not much interest in the Dark Age "Samurai" 'Mechs, or is everyone waiting to see what their rules will be like first?

Consider that it may have an AC2 of some kind an a melee weapon, most Combine fans would probably have tagged it with "I hope to be pleasantly surprised".

That, the cloven-hoofed Shiro, and the Hitutsune Kozo are things I'm going to look at first when we get this TRO.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #318 on: 21 May 2013, 09:49:48 »
Keep in mind that when those DA designs were initially statted out that they were missing certain bits of gear that have since ICly become present as in production gear. Also, I suspect many of them were sculpted first, and then they had to figure out a way to make the stats fit. Also also, there's the ever present 'They fit a design niche not always represented fairly by the abstract rules of the board game' explanation.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #319 on: 22 May 2013, 20:25:08 »
One thing that I find interesting to note is how, as of 3145, the Inner Sphere has (at least temporarily) found itself with two active theatres of conflict, which are only distantly connected to one another; both spinward and anti-spinward of Terra.

If you consider the "buffer zone" as running through the Rasalhague Dominion down to the Fortress' coreward border with the Vega Protectorate, and extend down past the rimward edge of the Fortress along the currently-quiet frontier between Liao and "Marik" space, you currently have a dividing line of sorts keeping the Falcon/Horse/Wolf/Lyran/FWL/etc and Combine/Suns/Confederation/Raven/other axes somewhat apart from one another.

I find it interesting how these two theatres show such very different dynamics. The "western" (anti-spinward) theatre is rife with instability, with rival Clans (and Clan philosophies) on the move, House Steiner fending off a nightmare of its former Archon's creation, the Free Worlds League trying to hold the thin line connecting its own spinward and anti-spinward halves together, the Regulans still in play as a wild card, the Anduriens trying to leverage its Canopian and Capellan alliances against the potential actions of its "purple" neighbours, the Republic Remnant and the Galatean League each trying to hold back the seemingly inevitable, and even the Marians finally trying to get over the whole Lothian thing.

On the other hand, the "eastern" (spinward) theatre has fewer active participants, but a clearer focus on who is gaining, and who is losing, by this point. The DCMS and CCAF have ripped their respective pounds of flesh out of the Draconis and Capellan Marches, the Snow Ravens have looked to exploit the recent course of events, and both "Taurian" states actually look like they might find a way to get the band back together at long last. (And one detail I found worthy of note on the 3145 map is that, despite the major losses it has suffered, the Federated Suns still seems to be larger in volume than any one of the states over on the anti-spinward side of Terra. A scant consolation for Davion fans, perhaps.)

Of course, everyone is still waiting for the other shoe to drop, and for the ilClan sourcebook to (possibly) bring both sides of the Inner Sphere crashing together; but in the meantime, which theatre of conflict do you find more interesting as of 3145?


EDIT: Well, I suppose technically you could consider the Republic-ComStar "issues" behind the walls of the Fortress to be a third theatre in and of itself; though it remains to be seen just how serious things ended up getting on that front.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #320 on: 23 May 2013, 00:13:14 »
With things going as they are now we may never know whether julien or roderick has the squarer jaw.

I would like to see the capellans and draconis combine touch in the northwest part of the suns. Without terra telling each nation to stop somewhere with its neutrality the borders can get really weird. Both sides are exciting. With the dc, cc and fs feeling classical and the other side feeling post 3050
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #321 on: 24 May 2013, 10:58:35 »
Ben Rome has released a teaser for the Tenshi in TRO3145DC.

The word 'configured' makes me think Omni...

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« Reply #322 on: 24 May 2013, 11:03:09 »
...I'd say the phrase 'the new OmniMech' makes me think Omni... :)
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #323 on: 24 May 2013, 11:03:43 »
...I'd say the phrase 'the new OmniMech' makes me think Omni... :)

I... /facepalm.

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« Reply #324 on: 24 May 2013, 11:50:44 »
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« Reply #325 on: 24 May 2013, 14:50:21 »
Now that looks nice.

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« Reply #326 on: 24 May 2013, 18:32:41 »
1) Pretty Pretty Art
2) New OmniMech with Pretty Pretty Art
3) Overconfident Bears getting smacked down

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #327 on: 24 May 2013, 18:36:32 »
If the rest of the interior artwork is as good as the Tenshi I may well change my mind about purchasing DC TRO 3145. I'm not hugely interested in the DC beyond Takashi's reign and the cover art wasnt doing anything for me.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #328 on: 24 May 2013, 18:45:36 »
1) Pretty Pretty Art
2) New OmniMech with Pretty Pretty Art
3) Overconfident Bears getting smacked down

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #329 on: 24 May 2013, 18:52:11 »
I wanna play with Tenshi, sleek and wicked looking. Seriously.

 

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