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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #360 on: 02 June 2013, 11:52:11 »
I've seen dtf copies of ER:3145 in two places over here in the UK, so it's ''out in the wild''.

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« Reply #361 on: 02 June 2013, 12:12:44 »
Are there any particular units from MW:DA/AoD which people are looking forward to seeing in the TRO:3145 volumes for the Free Worlds League or the Lyran Commonwealth?

TRO:3145/Marik - Neanderthal, (Scourge?), (Ursa?), Jackalope, Violator, R10 MICV, Paladin, Leonidas, Ogre, Xiphos
- my guess is that the Scourge might be a Republic design, while the Ursa was designed by some IS Clan - but I won't be upset if those two 'Mechs will eventually show up as the FWL designs  :)

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #362 on: 02 June 2013, 13:07:10 »
So how many of the designs from the last three TROs have been from the clicky-tech and how many are brand new?

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #363 on: 02 June 2013, 13:36:59 »
So how many of the designs from the last three TROs have been from the clicky-tech and how many are brand new?

By my count, we have thirty-seven "clickytech" designs and thirty-eight new ones. I guess TPTB want to have a 50/50 ratio between the new and the old. It's worth noting that a sizable portion of the new designs are unit types that were never featured in the MechWarrior: Dark Age game, like fighters and ProtoMechs. Most of the tanks and BattleMechs were originally WizKids designs.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #364 on: 02 June 2013, 19:13:23 »
Two of the Battle Armours, the Spectre and the Kishi, are based on unused MWDA concepts by Brett Evans

I suspect that TRO:3145 Steiner will have the DI Schmitt, the Kelswa MBT, the the Storm Raider and the MWDA-styled King Crab. There's also the Chucahalian battle armour which I suspect will be a Kell Hound or WiE design (Or both). Also, much like the Cats in TRO Kurita, I suspect Steiner will have WiE units.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #365 on: 02 June 2013, 20:08:56 »
By my count, we have thirty-seven "clickytech" designs and thirty-eight new ones. I guess TPTB want to have a 50/50 ratio between the new and the old. It's worth noting that a sizable portion of the new designs are unit types that were never featured in the MechWarrior: Dark Age game, like fighters and ProtoMechs. Most of the tanks and BattleMechs were originally WizKids designs.
While ProtoMechs first came out in TRO:3060 ('97) they weren't heard from again until Combat Equipment in '05, so it's not hard to see why they weren't included. Fighters would have likely only made the rules worse and would you want to open a booster pack to find that all you got was a DropShip?

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #366 on: 02 June 2013, 20:18:41 »
Protos weren't used for mechnical reasons; from what I heard, the designers couldn't figure out what to do with them, and didn't want to add another unit type to the game
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #367 on: 02 June 2013, 21:25:57 »
While ProtoMechs first came out in TRO:3060 ('97) they weren't heard from again until Combat Equipment in '05, so it's not hard to see why they weren't included. Fighters would have likely only made the rules worse and would you want to open a booster pack to find that all you got was a DropShip?

I really don't care about any of that. I just wanted to point out how Aerospace and conventional fighters, ProtoMechs, DropShips and small craft affect the balance between new and old units in the 3145 Technical Readouts.

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« Reply #368 on: 02 June 2013, 22:14:13 »
Scourge is likely a FWL design, it is on their RATs and only their RATs I think.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #369 on: 02 June 2013, 22:56:22 »
Well, the Exhumer was on the FedSuns RAT and not the DC's so....don't trust it too much.

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« Reply #370 on: 02 June 2013, 23:07:13 »
The King Crab is a Cosara product (I think) from Northwind, so that should be RotS, unless most were exported, I suppose. I like the MWDA sculpt of that one and was sorry not to see one given to the Highlanders ... but then, they didn't get a Targe in their colors, either ... I think the designs I want to see most are the Kelswa, Malice, and the Jackalope.

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« Reply #371 on: 02 June 2013, 23:16:52 »
The Scourge is tricky because WizKids released it in Capellan Confederation, Rasalhague Dominion, Draconis Combine, Clan Nova Cat, Republic of the Sphere and mercenary colors. Too make matters even more confusing, the company that built it is called "Kaiser Systems" and it's armed with an Eisen Gauss Rifle, which would seem to indicate that it's built by Lyrans. And of course there's the fact that it's only on the Free World's League RATs. At least we can eliminate it being Capellan, Draconian or Nova Cat.

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« Reply #372 on: 03 June 2013, 00:05:33 »
Jackalopes will be fun because of their fluff about being able to fit several of them in a single mech bay on a dropship.
as a clantech unit though it will be interesting to see who actually developed it. the production sites listed seemed to be IS.. but they might be seafox affiliates or something.
according to its fluff it's a Fast Jumper with Ferro, Endo, 2xcERML, an ATM6, and AMS.. plus some kind of electronic warfare suite.


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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #373 on: 03 June 2013, 01:00:26 »
While ProtoMechs first came out in TRO:3060 ('97) they weren't heard from again until Combat Equipment in '05, so it's not hard to see why they weren't included. Fighters would have likely only made the rules worse and would you want to open a booster pack to find that all you got was a DropShip?

If Wizkids had done that to a booster I bought, they would still have full ownership of every penny I own even today. They'd probably also have a contract giving them ownership of my firstborn, and possibly my continued services as a mob-style enforcer*.

*At least, I'd give it a shot for a chance at stuff like that.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #374 on: 03 June 2013, 02:24:32 »
Considering the size of the Aurora it would require a bit of technical engineering to put Dropships in booster packs . . . you know, something like a pocket universe.
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« Reply #375 on: 03 June 2013, 04:00:15 »
The Scourge is tricky because WizKids released it in Capellan Confederation, Rasalhague Dominion, Draconis Combine, Clan Nova Cat, Republic of the Sphere and mercenary colors. Too make matters even more confusing, the company that built it is called "Kaiser Systems" and it's armed with an Eisen Gauss Rifle, which would seem to indicate that it's built by Lyrans. And of course there's the fact that it's only on the Free World's League RATs. At least we can eliminate it being Capellan, Draconian or Nova Cat.

Yeah, also the mech looks like a bloated Hollander, which would also hint at the Lyrans.

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« Reply #376 on: 03 June 2013, 07:00:43 »
Considering the size of the Aurora it would require a bit of technical engineering to put Dropships in booster packs . . . you know, something like a pocket universe.
And if they had developed that WizKids would have a lot more than just Weirdo's pennies.

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« Reply #377 on: 03 June 2013, 07:17:58 »
Yeah, also the mech looks like a bloated Hollander, which would also hint at the Lyrans.

Which was an anorexic Hunchback . . . and of course they are the only two mechs with BFG riding on their shoulders.

As has been discussed before, stat-wise its a little bit better Jinggau- which was Cappie and another suggestion for the Leaguers.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #378 on: 03 June 2013, 14:01:00 »
The King Crab is a Cosara product (I think) from Northwind, so that should be RotS, unless most were exported, I suppose. I like the MWDA sculpt of that one and was sorry not to see one given to the Highlanders ... but then, they didn't get a Targe in their colors, either ... I think the designs I want to see most are the Kelswa, Malice, and the Jackalope.

StarCorps has/had? a factory building the King Crab in the LyrCom as well.

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« Reply #379 on: 04 June 2013, 22:12:20 »
Coming Attractions is advertising TRO:3145 Free Worlds League.  Nice Cover, Stalker no less on the cover.  I wasn't able make out what other design was in background..
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #380 on: 05 June 2013, 11:36:40 »
If Wizkids had done that to a booster I bought, they would still have full ownership of every penny I own even today. They'd probably also have a contract giving them ownership of my firstborn, and possibly my continued services as a mob-style enforcer*.

*At least, I'd give it a shot for a chance at stuff like that.

Actually, the Falcon's Prey expansion featured chances to win an Aurora if you got the "golden ticket." I never heard if anyone got one that way. I picked mine up by entering a "kill and keep" tournament ... while everyone went for the LE 'mechs, I sent my force after the dropship they were coming out of ... 

Aerospace fighters (even conventional fighters) would have made AoD more interesting, if they could have pulled it off. I've really liked most of the aerospace fighters that have come out so far for 3145 ... almost ready to go get some old copies of Battlespace and Aerotech 2 ,,,

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #381 on: 05 June 2013, 11:39:32 »
Aerospace fighters (even conventional fighters) would have made AoD more interesting, if they could have pulled it off. I've really liked most of the aerospace fighters that have come out so far for 3145 ... almost ready to go get some old copies of Battlespace and Aerotech 2 ,,,

Total War already has everything you need to run fighters. If you want a few extra rules goodies, all you need after that is StratOps. O0
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« Reply #382 on: 05 June 2013, 11:47:48 »
Total War already has everything you need to run fighters. If you want a few extra rules goodies, all you need after that is StratOps. O0

Actually, I'm going to recommend just going to get StratOps now.  If all you want is atmospheric fighter combat in support of ground units, the Abstract Aerospace rules in StratOps are the best way to do it.  If you want actual space combat, you're better off in the opinion of most aero-affectionados with the vector movement rules, also found in StratOps.

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« Reply #383 on: 05 June 2013, 22:53:53 »
Total War already has everything you need to run fighters. If you want a few extra rules goodies, all you need after that is StratOps. O0

Thanks, I'll probably be headed in the direction of StratOps  ... I love me some space combat, anyway ... and it's one thing I wish we had more of in the 3145 era, but hey ... the Star League and upcoming Succession Wars material should fill that void.

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« Reply #384 on: 05 June 2013, 23:25:15 »
Actually, I'm going to recommend just going to get StratOps now.  If all you want is atmospheric fighter combat in support of ground units, the Abstract Aerospace rules in StratOps are the best way to do it.  If you want actual space combat, you're better off in the opinion of most aero-affectionados with the vector movement rules, also found in StratOps.

Time to start saving pennies. Looking like this is going to be the year of the great Battletech buy-in for me. Having seen some of the old rules many moons ago, I am curious to see what is new / tweaked. To keep from hijacking the thread ... does it seem like we are expecting many new aerospace rules, like we are with the ground forces? Maybe some aerospace RISC hardware?

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« Reply #385 on: 08 June 2013, 21:15:54 »
I've seen some talk on how the new Confederation and Combine units line up with those shown for the Federated Suns as of 3145; but from an on-table perspective, how well (or badly) do the new DCMS and CCAF toys work against each other?

Given how close the two realms are to one another by this point in time, there seems to be ample scope for an "incident" or two between local forces in the region, even if neither government was (yet) ready to go for a re-run of the kind of Liao/Kurita battles which may be supported once Historical: Early Succession Wars comes out.

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« Reply #386 on: 08 June 2013, 21:37:38 »
I've created a couple of scenarios to show off units from all three of those TROs against each other. One's in the FedSuns TRO thread somewhere, while the other is in its own thread in Ground Combat. Try them out, and see exactly how they fare against each other. O0
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« Reply #387 on: 08 June 2013, 22:44:34 »
Well, the problem there is that I haven't been able to go for any of the TRO:3145 PDFs as of yet; and even if I had, I don't have a local gaming group with which to try them (or their would-be conversions to QS) out.

My BT collection has been focused more on the background side of things, as opposed to the gaming part, up to this point.

So, I was hoping to get some feedback from those in a better position to speak with some authority on how these unit types might fare against one another.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #388 on: 08 June 2013, 23:14:42 »
The DCMS will probably win against the CCAF. Hardened Armor and extreme speed will win against Stealth Armor.

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« Reply #389 on: 09 June 2013, 12:32:34 »
The DCMS will probably win against the CCAF. Hardened Armor and extreme speed will win against Stealth Armor.
Maybe, those WizKids DC exclusive Samuari Armor style Mechs were bit undergunned despite their toughness.   Sheer strength of DC will properly enough punch hole through FS meet with CC.  By then they'd properly had amassed enough strength in the militaries to do something to one another.  However, CC has some good and sneaky designs. 

That if FS goes south, we'll get slightly less likeable factions be playing for.
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