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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #540 on: 18 November 2013, 10:41:44 »
Had a game yesterday with a fair amount of 3145 stuff in it. Some impressions:

Anzus are fun. Cooling them down once they heat up can be tricky when you're trying to maintain a good rate of fire,  but they can dish out just as good as they can take, and I'm quickly learning to love the Ultra-10 as a weapon. (The fact that my group has started applying TO's Direct Blow rules to cluster weapons is probably a factor, I'll admit). Also my first time actually using fragmentation missiles, and it was definitely worth the investment.

Yinghouchongs are bastards. Actually did more damage from melee attacks than with their guns(including DFAing a VTOL ;D), but they were still very effective. Things got even worse when the player figured out how easy remote sensors were to drop off, which contributed heavily to his Stalker II's indirect fire.

Speaking of that Stalker: Between it and an Apollo that was also present, I've developed a healthy respect for ELRMs. They weren't 'mech-killers, but they were firing(and hitting) the whole time. Also, when you're effectively outranging the artillery pieces on the board, somthing is truly, deliciously, wrong.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #541 on: 18 November 2013, 17:00:22 »
Question.

If I have TRO:3145,  is there any reason to buy the faction specific TROs ?

I was under the assumption that everything in them is in the TRO3145 Dead Tree,  but now I'm not sure.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #542 on: 18 November 2013, 17:06:31 »
Question.

If I have TRO:3145,  is there any reason to buy the faction specific TROs ?

I was under the assumption that everything in them is in the TRO3145 Dead Tree,  but now I'm not sure.

There are 100 units in the print TRO. There are 200 in the 8 PDFs. All the Republic units are in the print version (which means you can leave that PDF alone and buy the unabridged RS for the Record Sheets instead), that makes 75 out of 175 of the remaining 7 PDFs. ~42.86%.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #543 on: 18 November 2013, 18:31:47 »
Had a game yesterday with a fair amount of 3145 stuff in it. Some impressions:

Anzus are fun. Cooling them down once they heat up can be tricky when you're trying to maintain a good rate of fire,  but they can dish out just as good as they can take, and I'm quickly learning to love the Ultra-10 as a weapon. (The fact that my group has started applying TO's Direct Blow rules to cluster weapons is probably a factor, I'll admit). Also my first time actually using fragmentation missiles, and it was definitely worth the investment.

Yinghouchongs are bastards. Actually did more damage from melee attacks than with their guns(including DFAing a VTOL ;D), but they were still very effective. Things got even worse when the player figured out how easy remote sensors were to drop off, which contributed heavily to his Stalker II's indirect fire.

Speaking of that Stalker: Between it and an Apollo that was also present, I've developed a healthy respect for ELRMs. They weren't 'mech-killers, but they were firing(and hitting) the whole time. Also, when you're effectively outranging the artillery pieces on the board, somthing is truly, deliciously, wrong.

When I first saw the UAC/10 on the Anzu, I was immediately dismayed.  Ultra Autocannons? I thought to myself, How shitty are those?

Then I realized that it's a 13 ton, twenty point weapon that can't be negated by missiles and generates less heat than a PPC, much less two of them.  PPCs can eat their hearts out against a UAC/10.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #544 on: 18 November 2013, 18:45:25 »
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #545 on: 18 November 2013, 19:27:09 »
When I first saw the UAC/10 on the Anzu, I was immediately dismayed.  Ultra Autocannons? I thought to myself, How shitty are those?

Then I realized that it's a 13 ton, twenty point weapon that can't be negated by missiles and generates less heat than a PPC, much less two of them.  PPCs can eat their hearts out against a UAC/10.
Or you could try a RAC5  O:-)

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #546 on: 18 November 2013, 19:44:09 »
Less range, smaller damage clusters, effectively heavier ammunition, and increased chance to jam.

Upon careful consideration, I've decided that I just plain like the UAC/10 better.  The fact that you can almost perfectly swap it for an LGR and an additional ton of ammo or is just the icing on the cake, since you get an almost effort-free translation from brawler weapon to sniper with "Screw you" levels of ammunition in no time.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #547 on: 18 November 2013, 22:42:09 »
When I first saw the UAC/10 on the Anzu, I was immediately dismayed.  Ultra Autocannons? I thought to myself, How shitty are those?

Then I realized that it's a 13 ton, twenty point weapon that can't be negated by missiles and generates less heat than a PPC, much less two of them.  PPCs can eat their hearts out against a UAC/10.

And when it jams, dead weight.  I'll take lesser problems and the ability to clear a jam.  Give and take is what makes it fun.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #548 on: 18 November 2013, 22:49:53 »
Would you believe me if I said I've only ever jammed exactly one UAC before?

Meanwhile, I've jammed a RAC on six consecutive attempts before.  It sort of soured me on the weapon.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #549 on: 18 November 2013, 22:58:35 »
I too have an affection for the UAC-10. The Legacy was almost enough to make me play WoB. Now the HBK-7R gets me my fix.

I haven't had a chance to try the Hollander III yet but it looks like fun.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #550 on: 18 November 2013, 22:59:59 »
I will say this: Between two Anzus that fired their guns at full-auto every turn of that fight, only one jammed, and only on the last turn of the game. O0
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #551 on: 18 November 2013, 23:35:35 »
 Want record sheets 3145. However I'm curious, are the TROs good lasting reads?
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #552 on: 18 November 2013, 23:42:42 »
I like the move to faction specific tro's. Each faction always had their own mechs. But seperating the tro's accentuates it.  Makes them feel a bit more unique.

Obviouy it has cost more. But its spread out. You get way more stuff and its less of a one time investment.
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« Reply #553 on: 19 November 2013, 13:04:22 »
Would you believe me if I said I've only ever jammed exactly one UAC before?

Meanwhile, I've jammed a RAC on six consecutive attempts before.  It sort of soured me on the weapon.

And I am the opposite:  Ultra Autocannons hate me, personally, and go out of their way to commit UltraSuicide whenever I think of double tapping.   And I have burned through a Stinger's weight of RAC ammo in my last few games without a jam.   Anecdotal evidence trumps, heh.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #554 on: 19 November 2013, 13:10:39 »
And I am the opposite:  Ultra Autocannons hate me, personally, and go out of their way to commit UltraSuicide whenever I think of double tapping.   And I have burned through a Stinger's weight of RAC ammo in my last few games without a jam.   Anecdotal evidence trumps, heh.

And I use Hellbringers because every time I field(or face) a Timber Wolf, bad things happen. Everybody's got their own weird juju. ;)
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #555 on: 19 November 2013, 14:15:58 »
And I use Hellbringers because every time I field(or face) a Timber Wolf, bad things happen. Everybody's got their own weird juju. ;)

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #556 on: 19 November 2013, 15:00:23 »
For me it's the BattleMaster, every time I use one it misses with everything. I pulled a 2 hex alpha with a 4S and missed with everything...  :-[

The Thanatos on the other hand has always done well for me.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #557 on: 19 November 2013, 17:30:13 »
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #558 on: 21 November 2013, 05:42:30 »
For me it's the BattleMaster, every time I use one it misses with everything. I pulled a 2 hex alpha with a 4S and missed with everything...  :-[

The Thanatos on the other hand has always done well for me.

For me its that LRM lance I use. 80% of the time. Total misses. One or two really great turns worth of shooting, then they explode or just remain ineffective.

And I am the opposite:  Ultra Autocannons hate me, personally, and go out of their way to commit UltraSuicide whenever I think of double tapping.   And I have burned through a Stinger's weight of RAC ammo in my last few games without a jam.   Anecdotal evidence trumps, heh.

As far as UACs and RAC's... Well Klat knows how that usually goes
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #559 on: 21 November 2013, 06:21:35 »
And I use Hellbringers because every time I field(or face) a Timber Wolf, bad things happen. Everybody's got their own weird juju. ;)

My friend Mark always fires an Ultra AC single shot first time per game, regardless of the hit numbers.  If he doesn't, it'll jam. Every time.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #560 on: 21 November 2013, 08:44:31 »
My friend Mark always fires an Ultra AC single shot first time per game, regardless of the hit numbers.  If he doesn't, it'll jam. Every time.

I have ok luck with UAC 5's and 10's.  I can not recal a game where a UAC 20 has not jammed on me.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #561 on: 08 December 2013, 02:35:10 »
I like the move to faction specific tro's. Each faction always had their own mechs. But seperating the tro's accentuates it.  Makes them feel a bit more unique.

Obviouy it has cost more. But its spread out. You get way more stuff and its less of a one time investment.
I on the other hand hate it.  I like having a single item for that era & not having to reference 8 different sources.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #562 on: 08 December 2013, 23:28:01 »
Quick Question:  What happened to the factories in Wolves' occupation zone?  Who new occupiers gain access to new designs or they empty husks on abandoned worlds?   Example: Black Wolf Battle Armor, it was produced at W-7 on  Weingarten,  did horses get the armor?
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #563 on: 09 December 2013, 02:41:34 »
Very little is specified, but "modular factories" (Presumably made OF the old factories) were brought to the Empire, and the manufacturing for the Warwolf, Wulfen, Black Wolf and Tomahawk II are all listed as having been reestablished in the Empire. As such, I would be inclined to assume that those lines were moved in their entirety. So, no free access to all the new wolf toys for CHH, I would infer from that.

Older designs are where it gets more ambiguous. We can only guess, but given the commonality of parts between the Warwolf and the Timber Wolf, and the fact they were building them by hand, I would guess that the wolves have probably retained the ability to build them, though I'm sure someone could put forward arguments for their not having bothered. Personally, I'm going with "build them alongside Warwolves in the empire"

Blood Reaper? Lobo? Sun Cobra? Don't really have anything to go on with these.

Gargoyle? Well, no real indication that they ever reestablished production of these (seemed like they'd lost it as of Objectives Clans) BUT, if i were to grasp at straws, 3145 NTNU provided a Gargoyle config that looked to me like something CHH would use. It'd be perfect if the wolves had been building the gargoyle and the horses assumed control of that line, OR if they reestablished it on the foundations that the wolves left behind.

Tundra Wolf? Ambiguous. They DID give it a NTNU config (5) but its fluffed as a design to make up for shortfalls in Tomahawk II Production. a horse apiece, on this one.

What we know for certain is that they left SOME infrastructure behind. it didn't sound like they were abandoning entire mech lines, but they definitely couldn't take anything. We'll probably never have a full picture of what was taken and what was left, though.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #564 on: 09 December 2013, 03:01:19 »
Night Wolf, Tundra Wolf, Blood Reaper, Sun Cobra and Lobo all show up on the CHH RATs. Now that is NOT indicative of production but it could be. However, there are also some RD units there and I'm sure those are not being produced by CHH, so again take the above with a grain of salt.
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« Reply #565 on: 09 December 2013, 03:07:15 »
Yeah, even I wouldn't read anything into their presence on the RAT, since the wolves and horses were neighbors who fought.
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« Reply #566 on: 09 December 2013, 03:16:33 »
Giving it a bit more thought I'd be surprised if any complete production was left; bits and pieces sure but a complete factory seems far fetched. While I'm sure some useful infrastructure was left behind unless I find a specific mention of complete turnkey factories I'm going say that CCH is probably using more CW salvage than production units from former CW factories.
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« Reply #567 on: 09 December 2013, 03:23:01 »
Yeah, I can't really see the wolves wanting to just LET the horses grow stronger, especially since they were (if reluctant) sidekicks to the falcons at the time. Heck, I could see them inviting the Ghost Bears to Weingarten before I'd see them just handing things over intact.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #568 on: 09 December 2013, 10:33:16 »
Rats will probably be the only hint of the continued survival of the timberwolf. Since oystein would rather stab us all in the face rather than make a new objectives pdf.

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« Reply #569 on: 09 December 2013, 12:00:45 »
Having even the barest inkling of how much work must have gone into the Objectives series vs the likely reward, I'd say that someone who responds to requests to do another entire series with merely face stabbings is being the very model of restraint and civility.
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