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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #570 on: 09 December 2013, 17:20:54 »
The Bears had years to strip Tokasha yet the Goliath Scorpions had the facility operational in a couple of years.
The Wolf move to the Empire was even more spur of the moment than its retreat to the Inner Sphere 60 years before.
Draw your own conclusions.

Very little is specified, but "modular factories" (Presumably made OF the old factories) were brought to the Empire, and the manufacturing for the Warwolf, Wulfen, Black Wolf and Tomahawk II
Tomahawk II is not a new 'Mech. It dates back to 3088.
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The other three were barely out of prototype stage. 3138, 3137, and 3134 respectively. So may never have even been in production.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #571 on: 09 December 2013, 17:25:11 »
I draw my conclusions in pencil and/or dry erase markers.  That way I can change them at will.  Remember what they say about people who ass/u/me. ;)
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #572 on: 09 December 2013, 19:03:00 »
Having even the barest inkling of how much work must have gone into the Objectives series vs the likely reward, I'd say that someone who responds to requests to do another entire series with merely face stabbings is being the very model of restraint and civility.

Yeah I fired off that previous quote quick. I didn't say he'd irrationally stab us in the face.

As far as I can tell the interested base of customers for Objectives books are SteveRestless, Martian and Myself.  ;D I'm not going to say that I'm not worth the trouble! But that's not a lot of money for a lot of hard work. ;D

I get it.

Honestly my only real disappointment with 3145 so far is the lack of explanation on Sea Fox unit structure. In the old Warden Clans and Crusader Clans field manuals, if a Clan had a unit structure that was divergent from other clans they would explain it for you so that you could field your army.

We've lost a lot of that level of granularity since then and even though I miss it sometimes for the most part I understand why. But leaving us guessing about what an Aimag is (We still assume cluster) makes it fairly difficult to run one in a Strategic Ops / Interstellar Ops game.  :(
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #573 on: 09 December 2013, 19:19:13 »
An Aimag is kind of all over the place though, as far as composition goes. That has some tactical advantages, as your opponent also can't really prepare, or think they're "done" when they've accounted for what they consider an Aimag to be.
I also thought that either FM or ER3145 equates them as a small Galaxy, but I could be misremembering.

Generally speaking, I'd consider them big enough to deter piracy, but small enough to avoid major concerns about whichever nation they're in. These days, I'd want more than a Cluster to achieve that, though a full-blown galaxy seems overkill, so maybe it's less memory, and more presumption that provokes the prior thought.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #574 on: 09 December 2013, 19:53:37 »
Tomahawk II is not a new 'Mech. It dates back to 3088.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=Tomahawk+II
The other three were barely out of prototype stage. 3138, 3137, and 3134 respectively. So may never have even been in production.

its new to the players, is what I meant. Even if the design is seasoned by the time we get to it.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #575 on: 09 December 2013, 20:49:35 »
Generally speaking, I'd consider them big enough to deter piracy, but small enough to avoid major concerns about whichever nation they're in. These days, I'd want more than a Cluster to achieve that, though a full-blown galaxy seems overkill, so maybe it's less memory, and more presumption that provokes the prior thought.

Yeah. Our old Clusters were Five or Six trinaries big when we were Diamond Sharks. Which meant that if you bid your Cluster versus a Diamond Shark Cluster you may have had to attack twice as many mechs...

and really that's the only 3145 thing that gets me. I love everything else.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #576 on: 10 December 2013, 00:34:32 »
Yeah I fired off that previous quote quick. I didn't say he'd irrationally stab us in the face.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #577 on: 10 December 2013, 14:02:13 »
ok. i bought my copy of ER 3145 last weekend. hammered through reading it that night (my wife was laughing at me since im normally glued to the laptop). maybe its been mentioned but i have no patience to look. Do you think it will take a 3rd Star League combined force to wipe out the Raptor Falcons (i honestly dont even think they want to be clan much longer)? is it even politically possible (when you consider how high & Mighty the DC & CC likely feel about themselves)? it can be argued that Malvina Hazen is the Dark Age's Almaris...

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #578 on: 10 December 2013, 14:10:23 »
Malvina is a bitch, and insane, but she's no Stefan Amaris.  Not even close.  She musters a single Clan (and not even all of one, still), against Amaris's combined might of the Terran Hegemony and RWR.

Malvina isn't even the Jihad come again.  She's a petty megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur that happens to have a mid-size army behind her.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #579 on: 10 December 2013, 14:54:59 »
Malvina cant go much further. Her occupation zone has been rebelling for sixty years and now the Falcon Watch is stretched desperately thin.

They will have an oz civil war and a clan civil war at the same time. If she wants to survive she needs to become ilkhan now.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #580 on: 10 December 2013, 16:44:43 »
Lol, and this is now where you are missing FM3145 . . . but the last several posts do surprise me.  Malvina co-opted the Hell's Horses back in 3141 or 3142, which means she has (or had) two Clans toumans to draw from.  The Rending of the last 3130s, which is a MWDA novel I have not found, was a Falcon civil war and left everyone as either supporters, semi-neutral, or dead in her Clan.

However there are twists which were revealed in FM3145 and address the Falcons.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #581 on: 10 December 2013, 16:45:49 »
Malvina co-opted the Hell's Horses back in 3141 or 3142, which means she has (or had) two Clans toumans to draw from.

Had. That alliance is very much over.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #582 on: 10 December 2013, 17:51:47 »
Pretty sure FM3145 left it open to interpretation- they took their toys and went back home while Malvina was in a coma, but what happens when she comes out of it?  She is not the sort to let folks walk away.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #583 on: 10 December 2013, 17:53:01 »
Pretty sure FM3145 left it open to interpretation- they took their toys and went back home while Malvina was in a coma, but what happens when she comes out of it?  She is not the sort to let folks walk away.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #584 on: 10 December 2013, 18:07:37 »
I'm 90% sure she's out of her coma, and they're still gone.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #585 on: 10 December 2013, 18:10:32 »
I'm 90% sure she's out of her coma, and they're still gone.

She's out of the coma, because she offed Bec Malthus.  And the Horsies stayed gone.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #586 on: 10 December 2013, 18:17:07 »
So far, but she was not out of the coma for that long.

I would LOVE for the Horses to be out of her influence, but so far we have nothing conclusive.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #587 on: 10 December 2013, 18:18:12 »
I'd call FM: 3145 conclusive. There is no more alliance between anything Malvina and any part of Clan Hell's Horses.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #588 on: 10 December 2013, 18:33:55 »
I'd call FM: 3145 conclusive. There is no more alliance between anything Malvina and any part of Clan Hell's Horses.

I thought the 666th was still part of her camp, but it's just them now.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #589 on: 10 December 2013, 18:36:28 »
Pretty sure they went back to Horse control.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #590 on: 10 December 2013, 19:35:37 »

Does she has any industry to fall back on? It sounds like she is now in a do or die situation (conquer something or die from attrition).
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #591 on: 10 December 2013, 19:41:17 »
Does she has any industry to fall back on? It sounds like she is now in a do or die situation (conquer something or die from attrition).

She's in the Axis position in the classic boardgame Axis & Allies.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #592 on: 10 December 2013, 19:41:50 »
Does she has any industry to fall back on? It sounds like she is now in a do or die situation (conquer something or die from attrition).

Conquering something doesn't necessarily mean she won't die from attrition. Unless she can take a note from Clan Wolf. They're stretched thin too. But they're doing a lot better administrating their new people.

The more things Malvina controls the more tenuous her grasp is. Clan Jade Falcon handles new populations through oppression. But their watch is stretched out. So maybe Malvina can put out fires by using her sociopathic tendencies to scare her surviving worlds. Scourge planets for instance. But that might also just make the other worlds harder to maintain.

Her only real chance is to invade Terra. The Jade Falcons become Ilclan, she becomes Ilkhan and then if any other home clans accept her status maybe she can focus on consolidating territory.

For the most part she's alienated every faction in Battletech and is only doing ok because House Steiner is smashed, Clan Ghost Bear doesn't care and Clan Wolf just moved. Its a lucky situation for her. Kind of.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #593 on: 10 December 2013, 20:01:15 »
Pretty sure FM3145 left it open to interpretation- they took their toys and went back home while Malvina was in a coma, but what happens when she comes out of it?  She is not the sort to let folks walk away.
It is over.

Malvina, well she might not like that it is over. But that is a different matter.

Pretty sure they went back to Horse control.
Yes. And the Horses have two Galaxies watching them just in case.

Does she has any industry to fall back on? It sounds like she is now in a do or die situation (conquer something or die from attrition).
The initial invasions took her through some rich factory country. More recently she has mainly been picking up empty, resource absorbing space.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #594 on: 10 December 2013, 20:11:34 »
Somehow all the anti-spinward/Coreward clans doubled their manufacturing capacity.  ;D
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #595 on: 10 December 2013, 20:23:20 »
Though it should probably be noted that other than the Horses, who had practically no manufacturing before. They doubled them with Inner Sphere Factories.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #596 on: 10 December 2013, 21:12:59 »
It is over.

Malvina, well she might not like that it is over. But that is a different matter.

Bring it on I say.  The Green Pigeons need a bit of hiding to nothing from the IS clans.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #597 on: 19 December 2013, 00:22:11 »
Malvina isn't even the Jihad come again.  She's a petty megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur that happens to have a mid-size army behind her.

Does that mean she's the 32nd century's version of ol' crazy Max L.?  :D
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #598 on: 19 December 2013, 04:04:13 »
Nah, Malvina's able to take enemy territory.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #599 on: 19 December 2013, 04:24:29 »
I don't think becoming IlClan will help Malvina, it won't have any effect on the IS populations she's conquered, and while it any alleviate internal problems in her faction and with other Clans (At least as long as she doesn't try conquer them) do you really think it's likely to curb her appetites?

 

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