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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #630 on: 20 December 2013, 17:48:24 »
A Clan Warrior faces a 1/36 chance of instant death every time they get hit by an ERPPC. I have always said that they breed for luck rather than skill.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #631 on: 20 December 2013, 17:48:47 »
We're on the same page.

Is it the one with the pretty pictures? That's where I'm at.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #632 on: 20 December 2013, 20:15:54 »
A Clan Warrior faces a 1/36 chance of instant death every time they get hit by an ERPPC. I have always said that they breed for luck rather than skill.

Though it may have changed since I last played him, I think Hellbie might argue with that math.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #633 on: 20 December 2013, 21:17:42 »
Didn't Malvina only survive her sibko because of her twin brother? Honestly i wish it was aleks that lived and malvina died. then i'd have a Clan jade falcon i could get behind.

This. Fifteen hundred and two times this.

I liked where Clan Jade Falcon was going with Marthe and Diana and Horse and friends. I even liked Aleksandr. And then along came Malvina….

I laughed (out loud, literally) when I read that Beckett Malthus attempted to kill Malvina. I might have even said, "The Order of the Jade Phoenix strikes again!" I just don't remember whether I actually said that or if I just thought it really loudly, though.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #634 on: 20 December 2013, 21:22:32 »
I want more of that story with Beckett . . . Bonfire was really developing him as a character, the bloodfoul/Alaric thing was great.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #635 on: 20 December 2013, 22:37:05 »
A Clan Warrior faces a 1/36 chance of instant death every time they get hit by an ERPPC. I have always said that they breed for luck rather than skill.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #636 on: 21 December 2013, 02:07:30 »
Im also on the same page. But I think Brett Andrews insanity was completely unexpected. Malvina's would have been semi obvious.

As far as clan nurture breeding more psychopaths... honestly im not positive that it doesnt.

Vlad is pretty well known for murdering Jade Falcon khans with only a few khans always seeming to be alarmed by violence in the council.

But how much of Clan psychopathy do we accept as normal behavior? They are completely oblivious to the morality of killing.

Both of clan sea foxes tiburon pilot from the dark ages are psychopaths. One is written up in the jihad dossiers as dangerous. The other, who was normal is crazy when he gets his notable pilot section in the republic tro.

Granted they are 'notable pilots' it occurs in a clan that believes its strength lies in the whole clan being strong.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #637 on: 21 December 2013, 02:39:47 »
Yeah. Looking into the definition of what qualifies you as a psychopath (there are many) I think the only clanner who definitely is not would be Ranna Kerensky.

Ironic because Natasha and Tassa Kay are huge psychopaths.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #638 on: 21 December 2013, 04:35:21 »
A Clan Warrior faces a 1/36 chance of instant death every time they get hit by an ERPPC. I have always said that they breed for luck rather than skill.
Gauss Rifles, too.

And what hit table to mortar, especially, 'Mech Mortars use?

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #639 on: 22 December 2013, 22:02:20 »
Has anyone tried using the new units?

I've only gotten to try to use them on MegaMek due to the lack of players.

I've certainly not for lack of trying.  Twice i've used Republican units (2 Laments [2R and 3C], 2 Ospreys [15 & 26], and Winston [Standard & LAC versions]) against House Kurita's  shiny new units 2 Rokurokubi [4T & 4K], 2 Shiros [1V & 2P] and Narukami Heavy Tanks (BC2 & Standard versions).

Grant you this was against stardard bot, (Princess isn't working 37.0 Development version at the moment.) I can tell you Republicans got their butts handed to them.  Both the Kurita pairs Mechs and variants were both under armed in comparsion to Mech designs in the past.  However, end results was pretty amazing.  Hardened Armor certainly makes difference for your vehicles longevity in the field.    Heavy PPCs damage results were halved to it didn't hurt as much.  Shiro's with their Clan LRMS can witter down an enemy unit no time.  However the Narukami were stars of the show with both their Gauss Rifles and PPCs bring down both pairs of Mechs before they crippled.   

Republican units were annilihated, grant you its bot. Its not smart, but it can hurt you bad take advantage of your stupid moves.  Winstons though a ranged combatant with Light PPCs/LACs with their LRMs held out longer than their Mech counter parts.  Winstons were last to go, having to taking physical abuse by both sword wielding mechs.   The new Ballistic Reinforced Armor found on the 2P Shiro makes it difficult for missile touting machines to due serious damage to them.

I hope people get to really play with them, their missing out from some fun.

Lastly, I'd like to say Narukami are my favorate tank so far. Simple, well designed tough and their built for heavy hitting.  Bravo to inspired person who created that beast.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #640 on: 23 December 2013, 17:12:57 »
(Princess isn't working 37.0 Development version at the moment.)

Princess is working just fine for me, running in her own window. I just have to make her physical attacks for her.

Has anyone tried using the new units?

I get a LOT of use out of the new Wolf mechs, and some of the FedSuns mechs. Never been so excited about a light mech as I am about the wulfen, enjoying the BlackWolf BA, love the Warwolf and Tomahawk II.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #641 on: 17 January 2014, 23:42:11 »
So..the last couple weeks, my group's resident Ghost Bear has used the Kodiak II 2...
That thing is completely viscious and evil. It is quit possibly one of the nastiest 'mechs
out of the 3145 Assaults. Its only weakness is that it doesn't have secondary weapons
beyong the ER PPC in the torsos. Which means your ONLY hope is to take out the arms
first if you are staring across the table from it..

If whoever designed that beast is looking here? I do not know if I want to congratulate
you for the brilliance...or throttle you for the sheet evil you unleashed. Excellent job!
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #642 on: 18 January 2014, 12:32:42 »
So..the last couple weeks, my group's resident Ghost Bear has used the Kodiak II 2...
That thing is completely viscious and evil. It is quit possibly one of the nastiest 'mechs
out of the 3145 Assaults. Its only weakness is that it doesn't have secondary weapons
beyong the ER PPC in the torsos. Which means your ONLY hope is to take out the arms
first if you are staring across the table from it..

If whoever designed that beast is looking here? I do not know if I want to congratulate
you for the brilliance...or throttle you for the sheet evil you unleashed. Excellent job!

Straight up copy from the WizKids dossier.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #643 on: 18 January 2014, 12:44:15 »
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #644 on: 18 January 2014, 12:49:04 »
Straight up copy from the WizKids dossier.

The Kodiak II is straight up from the dossier. The II 2 takes the dossier version and gives it a HJ3/Streak tweak.  ;)

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #645 on: 18 January 2014, 13:56:53 »
Ah. Didn't see that it was the Kodiak II 2. I thought it was just the Kodiak II. My mistake.

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #646 on: 18 January 2014, 16:21:58 »
I rather like the Falcons under Malvina, if she had been in charge for REVIVAL the results would've been interesting.

As to the arguments above re; Malvina as a an inevitable but random occurrence/unique snowflake: I apologize as my attempt at posting a subtle and pithy comment seems to have garnered some real ire. However, I refuse to accept easy answers for Malvina. I believe there is something much more complex going on there. I will leave it at that as I think I'm in the minority and have contributed to the derailment of this thread.
Same here, but I think there should be many more of her. Not necessarily all as successful as her, but Genghis Khan didn't lead a horde of hero's. I wish the Clans hadn't been made into fairly normal people, but had been mainly psychopaths as they should be.

MOST of the clans warriors should be acting like her given their lifestyles. (Kill to get higher in society)
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #647 on: 18 January 2014, 20:23:27 »
The Kodiak II is straight up from the dossier. The II 2 takes the dossier version and gives it a HJ3/Streak tweak.  ;)

Yeah: So far, the Kodiak II 2 has a Shrike 2, a Tomahawk II Prime, and an Ares to its name. Next time, I am going
to test it against a Hellstar. It it a BEAST to kill because of the Harjel III, and the Streaks sandblast armor off of
anything. And heaven help you if it gets close enough to fire those ER Smalls.. When you are taking 16 5 point
hits? How many things can take that too many times?
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #648 on: 18 January 2014, 20:57:02 »
I've been playing with the Ares and the Poseidon in MegaMek couple times, against friends and the bots.

One thing is certain, from all my encounters using them.  They don't last long in a fight.  Unless Mega is mishandling or not fully utilizing the rules they fall under.  Each time they've gone out, their either getting crippled or being destroyed by forces sent against them.

There has be better way to use them, long-range fight won't stay that way with their respective speeds. Once enemy closes in, they become even easier targets because their built in penalties.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #649 on: 18 January 2014, 22:12:12 »
I've been playing with the Ares and the Poseidon in MegaMek couple times, against friends and the bots.

One thing is certain, from all my encounters using them.  They don't last long in a fight.  Unless Mega is mishandling or not fully utilizing the rules they fall under.  Each time they've gone out, their either getting crippled or being destroyed by forces sent against them.

There has be better way to use them, long-range fight won't stay that way with their respective speeds. Once enemy closes in, they become even easier targets because their built in penalties.

Actually, the trick is: they need to be supported. In this case, I did maul the Kodiak II 2, but..the Harjel saved it(seriously..by the end, we figured that, though half the armour remained on its center torso, all that armour was Harjel) I could just never seal the deal on it by inflicting more then 4 points of damage to the torso, because my iHGR was either hitting arms(when it hit), or the lasers were hitting arms(when they hit). The only things that hit the torsos were the missiles, and they never clustered into
the same spot.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #650 on: 18 January 2014, 22:13:29 »
I've been playing with the Ares and the Poseidon in MegaMek couple times, against friends and the bots.

One thing is certain, from all my encounters using them.  They don't last long in a fight.  Unless Mega is mishandling or not fully utilizing the rules they fall under.  Each time they've gone out, their either getting crippled or being destroyed by forces sent against them.

There has be better way to use them, long-range fight won't stay that way with their respective speeds. Once enemy closes in, they become even easier targets because their built in penalties.

Knowing what I know about Wunderwaffen whose primary claim to fame is being bigger than everything else… that makes sense to me.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #651 on: 19 January 2014, 19:27:43 »
I've been playing with the Ares and the Poseidon in MegaMek couple times, against friends and the bots.

One thing is certain, from all my encounters using them.  They don't last long in a fight.  Unless Mega is mishandling or not fully utilizing the rules they fall under.  Each time they've gone out, their either getting crippled or being destroyed by forces sent against them.

There has be better way to use them, long-range fight won't stay that way with their respective speeds. Once enemy closes in, they become even easier targets because their built in penalties.

I have used an Ares once in a scenario as a command 'Mech. Supported by other forces and holding back while bringing it's initiative bonuses and pure fear factor into play... it was a beast. And my players didn't expect that it would show up on the battlefield, that made it even better. ;)
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #652 on: 19 January 2014, 22:30:14 »
I have used an Ares once in a scenario as a command 'Mech. Supported by other forces and holding back while bringing it's initiative bonuses and pure fear factor into play... it was a beast. And my players didn't expect that it would show up on the battlefield, that made it even better. ;)

I think this is exactly how the super heavies need to be played - I took one apart when it was being run by the bot.
But I've also used them as command elements - with a nice screen of skirmishers and a body guard lance. Best of all, it can carry it own point defence system in the way of several squads of BA.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #653 on: 19 January 2014, 22:45:06 »
The fluff for the Ares describes them being used as raiders in Lance (4-Mech) strength.  After my experiences, it made me wonder if their suppose to be used that way.  Anything goes in battletech though!  :D
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #654 on: 21 January 2014, 14:58:05 »
Ok, I finally had a chance to sit down this holiday weekend and read ER: 3145 (getting the FM this weekend). I...AM...STOKED!

Now, I never played MWDA, I'm now sad to say. I had the typical grognard "Ewww, clicky-tech" reaction to what had been done to MY game (I've gotten better!). That's a shame, because, it might have been different, but it was still a game. I did read about a third to half of the fiction that came out under the DA brand. I didn't hate it, but I wasn't thrilled either. I was too lost; too many weird things going on. What the Hell is a Jihad? Etc. I was out of my element.

Reading ER:3145 this weekend, though...it was nostalgic in a sense. It was like when I was reading the first House books back in the 80s and "Operation: Doppelganger" was mentioned without any details, but I knew what that was because I'd read The Sword and the Dagger. I had that same sense of "getting it." Suddenly, everything clicked. Yeah, I still get teary-eyed that some of my favorite units are dead and buried (15th Dracon, 1st Marik Militia, House Ma-Tsu Kai, Knights of the Inner Sphere, ComStar), but they had their run. Everything is new again, and it can go anywhere.

I had another realization this weekend. The original setup was unsustainable. Five Great Houses. Then the FedCom turns it into 4. Even with the FRR as a buffer state, it's no help. If the FRR protects the Combine from the Lyran half of the FC, the reverse is also true. The CC is swallowed up, and then the FWL and finally the Combine. Even the Clans don't change it that much.

But the new map of 3145, just look at! The CC is a player. The new FLW still lacks Regulus and Andurien. We have no idea what's going on with the CC and MoC: could they still merge? Davion's taken a hit but is not out. The Wolf Empire threatens the LC, FWL, the RoS (when the Fortress drops, anyway). The states are all about the same size; balkanization is good for warfare!

And ComStar? Dead? Hah! We have no idea what's going on inside Fortress Republic. ComStar might have seized control (doubtful, but possible, even if improbable)!

And to be honest, I'm really liking the RoS. The Remnant is taking it hard, but who knows what's going on in Terra. I might just go Republican!

Anyway, I for one am glad that the future is here!

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #655 on: 21 January 2014, 15:16:09 »
Glad you like the stuff!

And ComStar? Dead? Hah! We have no idea what's going on inside Fortress Republic. ComStar might have seized control (doubtful, but possible, even if improbable)!

Actually, we know for an absolute fact that Comstar is completely gone within the Fortress. Per FM: 3145 and TRO 3145, they unveiled their newly reconstituted Com Guard in the form of a new 1st Division, as well as decidedly Blakist(or at least pre-Schism Comstar) leanings. In response, the Republic devoted multiple units to hunt down and destroy 1st Division, which they were successful in doing. After that, all civilian branches of Comstar were disbanded or nationalized and absorbed by the RotS government. Comstar may still exist outside the Fortress as a swiftly fading corporation, but inside the Fortress, it is simply GONE. Any survivors that may still exist have probably gone so deep into hiding that the Sixth of June will start selling cookies on street corners before these folks come back out.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #656 on: 21 January 2014, 15:23:59 »
Ah, ok, thanks for the heads up, Weirdo. I'll get FM this weekend (and probably the TRO as well). But from the viewpoint of the ER, written by the remnant, what's going on in the Fortress is a complete mystery!

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« Reply #657 on: 21 January 2014, 15:25:15 »
Yeah, the ER is written from the perspective of the Republic Remnant, while the FM was written by folks inside the Fortress.
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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #658 on: 21 January 2014, 15:28:53 »
Actually, we know for an absolute fact that Comstar is completely gone within the Fortress. Per FM: 3145 and TRO 3145, they unveiled their newly reconstituted Com Guard in the form of a new 1st Division, as well as decidedly Blakist(or at least pre-Schism Comstar) leanings. In response, the Republic devoted multiple units to hunt down and destroy 1st Division, which they were successful in doing. After that, all civilian branches of Comstar were disbanded or nationalized and absorbed by the RotS government. Comstar may still exist outside the Fortress as a swiftly fading corporation, but inside the Fortress, it is simply GONE. Any survivors that may still exist have probably gone so deep into hiding that the Sixth of June will start selling cookies on street corners before these folks come back out.
Which after reading such news relaxed my attitude toward the Republic.
Long ago I didn't want to play them because they smelled too much like Blakists, but with a new coat of paint.
Then I read about how they hunted them down with little to no mercy. It almost brings a tear to this Ghost Bear's eyes it was so beautiful.
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--Intercepted transmissions from children's programming on Terra 3057

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Re: TRO 3145/ER 3145 - The future is here
« Reply #659 on: 21 January 2014, 15:53:46 »
Which after reading such news relaxed my attitude toward the Republic.
Long ago I didn't want to play them because they smelled too much like Blakists, but with a new coat of paint.
Then I read about how they hunted them down with little to no mercy. It almost brings a tear to this Ghost Bear's eyes it was so beautiful.
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Ah, but what better way to throw people off of their hidden Blakeism then by hunting down the apparent Blakeists!  Thus hiding in plain sight!  Obviously! 

Note to self: pick up more tinfoil on the way home from work.