TRO 3145--Federated Suns

[Coldwyn]

Despite the fluff it seems pretty terrifying. >.>

I think the Hanse is pretty much terrifying. I´d swap the LAC/5 for something more defensive, but as a whole, that thing can go hunting MBTs above its´ weight class.

Huh. The Predator looks more like a Jagdpanzer IV to me. Go Fig.

Pretty much so, yes.

[SteveRestless]

Personally I believe:

(1) the federated suns is not a staff favorite

(2) the current fate of the federated suns has nothing to do with #1. Despite my frequent disagreement with their decisions, I believe TPTB are professional enough to keep from extinguishing a faction simply because of personal bias.

(3) the current state of the federated suns is a good thing because it means a chance to fight, and that we're rid of caleb (as well as fairweather fans who only liked the suns because the outlook was, well, sunny.) It will also give us something to point to, to people who still believe that because the federated suns did well in the 4th succession war, pulled out a draw in the war of 39, and then bludgeoned itsself silly in time for the jihad, that the suns are "always winning."

(4) I'm pretty sure the similarities between the Federated Suns now, and the Federated Suns in the first succession war are intentional. The Suns may have drank deep of stone's kool-aid, but if they do not kill us now, and bury the head seperate from the body, that we will rise up and strike back so hard that clan ghost bear will have to deliver us a "Welcome to the neighborhood" basket.

My opinion of the art in the book varies, but its mostly a matter of personal aesthetic preferences. the art is well executed, I just dont like the way a lot of dark age mechs were depicted to begin with. My opinion of the unit stats varies as well (I dont have much use for Stealth Armor, but I'm really liking the destrier/ballista, and I like the AS7-D2 variant a lot.)

[Kitsune413]

You know...Am I the only one who looks at the Hanse and goes: "OK...I will field two of these, and either 2 Challengers
or 2 Zibblers...I know where the enemy is going to want to go on the Hanse, after all...."

I think, "I wonder if my AToW character can get away with driving a Zibbler instead of a Crimson Streak or Aston Martin Fiver." But I don't think that traffic wardens approve. I should probably think more martially.

[FedSunsBorn]

Exactly, the Hanse Tank Destroyers cover the front while the turreted units cover the sides and rear. And while I was disappointed by the turretless design of the Hanse, the Davions still have plenty of Challengers and other heavy MBT's to call upon to fill that role. One more might be excessive(even for us Davions  :D).

[RyuWanderfalke]

My comment was a response to another players assertion that the responses we were receiving in this TRO thread were by a vocal minority rather than the majority of Federated Suns players who just weren't representing themselves. What was nice to see was the reaction to the original post where there was a surge of passionate and excited Federated Suns players that are thrilled by the new setting or at least up to accepting the challenge.

Hm, alright. So the rage wasn't even justified. In that case I apologize for some of the harsher words. ;)

[Kitsune413]

Hm, alright. So the rage wasn't even justified. In that case I apologize for some of the harsher words. ;)

Apology accepted in the interest of selling you mechs to shoot falcons and wolves with... and for other rational, sane, unoffended human being reasons.

[RyuWanderfalke]

Only your premium line aka Vulture IV/Savage Wolf fullfill my minmaxed requirements. ;)
You can keep that Stalking spider and Koshi garbage. :P

[Kitsune413]

You can keep that Stalking spider and Koshi garbage. :P

Thats what the periphery and hard luck mercenaries are for.  ;D

[RyuWanderfalke]

Not according to fluff... :/
Melissa II's and Vedet Brewster's ****** seems to have impacted the Commonwealth rather deeply... even in the procurement office.

[Klat]

I think there are more apologies on this thread than I've seen on the rest of the forum.

Anyhow, I rather like the Gunsmith, granted it's not the most durable little heat hog but I'd like to try a few for a head hunter op  >:D

I really want minis of these 'Mechs, though I've said that about all the 3145 TROs  O0

[Kitsune413]

I really want minis of these 'Mechs, though I've said that about all the 3145 TROs  O0

GW apparently got rid of all of their pewter mini's because of rising metal costs. But I really want all of these TRO mini's. Need Tiburons.

[gooseman]

I wonder if the Atlas pilot likes to play 'Pull My Finger'?  :D

Nah, that's part of the aiming macro for the Laser TIC.  ;D

[Stormlion1]

GW apparently got rid of all of their pewter mini's because of rising metal costs. But I really want all of these TRO mini's. Need Tiburons.

Who cares what GW does? I honestly hate the feel of resin and like the satisfying weight of pewter or steel and would take it anytime as a choice. And I for one can't wait to feel the weight of the Atlas III in my hand.  :)

[Klat]

Who cares what GW does? I honestly hate the feel of resin and like the satisfying weight of pewter or steel and would take it anytime as a choice. And I for one can't wait to feel the weight of the Atlas III in my hand.  :)

I'm the same way with resin vs metal. While I will definitely be getting an Atlas III if/when it gets a mini I also have plenty of units from these TROs that I'd purchase multiples of. The day we start getting Vulpes, Black Knights, and Gunsmiths there WILL be a demand driven spike in the metals market.  [drool]

[Kitsune413]

Oh man, Era Report 3145's character section. Caleb is more savvy than many give him credit for. (skills wise)

[Aldous]

Oh man, Era Report 3145's character section. Caleb is more savvy than many give him credit for. (skills wise)

Indeed. Caleb's planned attack on New Samarkand would have worked, IMO. Too bad the Snow Ravens sold him out.

[Siberian-troll]

I'm the same way with resin vs metal. While I will definitely be getting an Atlas III if/when it gets a mini I also have plenty of units from these TROs that I'd purchase multiples of. The day we start getting Vulpes, Black Knights, and Gunsmiths there WILL be a demand driven spike in the metals market.  [drool]

Number of units in existing new TRO's: approx. 3 BA, 8 tanks and 10 mechs for one TRO. Multitpy that in 8-fold: 80 mechs, e.t.c

Speed of making a new minis for IWM: Four in month.   

Ergo: At least two years for mechs only, and we still not have all minis even for TRO3075, first published in 2008!

[Nahuris]

What do people here think of the Hollander III?

At first, I saw it as a slower version of the RoTS Blade.... but I am rather enamored with the D3.....


Nahuris

[Decoy]

I'd rather use the Blade. *shrugs* Guess I'm a big Blade fan. *pet pets his Clicky ELH Blade*

[Nahuris]

I'd rather use the Blade. *shrugs* Guess I'm a big Blade fan. *pet pets his Clicky ELH Blade*

There's a reason I have 2 Blades in my forces, plus a pair of Nyx....etc.
I favor light stuff..... I have a 5 ton vehicle I use with an er small and twin rocket 10's --- along with 9/14 movement...

But as a support to those Blades, the D3 is rather nice

Nahuris

[The_head_of_Neal]

is this going to be availible in paperback at Origins or GenCon?

[gyedid]

Indeed. Caleb's planned attack on New Samarkand would have worked, IMO. Too bad the Snow Ravens sold him out.

Still, most Fed Suns fans here seem glad to see him gone.  They're NOT glad about the 13 commands that went down with him--especially the Davion Heavy Guards!

Whatever beef the Ravens had with Caleb, was it really necessary for them to engineer as situation that would cost the AFFS so many commands, especially a few very high-profile ones?

Other question:  who was the one who really started the disarmanent of the AFFS?  Is it really all Harrison Davion's fault, or can some of the blame be placed with Yvonne?

cheers,

Gabe

[Aldous]

Still, most Fed Suns fans here seem glad to see him gone.  They're NOT glad about the 13 commands that went down with him--especially the Davion Heavy Guards!

Whatever beef the Ravens had with Caleb, was it really necessary for them to engineer as situation that would cost the AFFS so many commands, especially a few very high-profile ones?

Other question:  who was the one who really started the disarmanent of the AFFS?  Is it really all Harrison Davion's fault, or can some of the blame be placed with Yvonne?

cheers,

Gabe

I doubt Caleb was a motivating factor in the Snow Raven betrayal. My guess is the Khan was planning this for a long time against both the Dracs and Feds. Bad luck the Federated Suns was more vulnerable (trusting) than the Dracs.

[Liam's Ghost]

Whatever beef the Ravens had with Caleb, was it really necessary for them to engineer as situation that would cost the AFFS so many commands, especially a few very high-profile ones?

From a clan point of view, is one house really inherently worth more than another? One might make the suggestion that the only thing that actually attracted Sterling Mckenna to the Davions was the man Caleb pushed off the balcony.

On the geopolitical side, the Ravens get to profit in worlds from both sides of the conflict while the main event is going on.

On the personal side, the killer of McKenna's lover gets to suffer for his actions.

Win win.

The only thing that could make it sweeter is if Caleb had survived to be captured, and thus get to watch as everything he'd worked for turned to ash.

[foxbat]

After having at last some time to read it more carefully, I'll say I have found a new love : the Vulpes. 5/8, 2 C ERLLs and a TC at 5/8 make my day. I can so much imagine the mischief with this one...  >:D

The new Black Knight is neat too, but I must say, I've been waiting for this one for so long I may be biaised too.  ;)

[worktroll]

From a clan point of view, is one house really inherently worth more than another? One might make the suggestion that the only thing that actually attracted Sterling Mckenna to the Davions was the man Caleb pushed off the balcony.

You know, I had the Raven backstab pegged as a disabling stroke against one potential enemy (AFFS), and keeping another too busy to threaten them (DCMS). Had forgotten all about Sterling/Harrison. Doh! Yup, Caleb was dead meat walking onto Palmyra.

[Gustav Kuriga]

You know, I had the Raven backstab pegged as a disabling stroke against one potential enemy (AFFS), and keeping another too busy to threaten them (DCMS). Had forgotten all about Sterling/Harrison. Doh! Yup, Caleb was dead meat walking onto Palmyra.

When will people learn that the proper way to do it is to hire Clan Sea Fox for all your travel needs? Ravens are scavengers, just waiting for the right moment to strike at a weak foe, while us foxes had better stick together... for the right price.    >:D

[Rorke]

For all of the talk of disarmament, consider if you will how many new units
thus far have been noted.  A mere skimming of TRO3145 FS gleaned me the
following.

4th Robinson Strikers
6th Periphery Guard
8th Avalon Hussars
2nd New Ivaarsen Chasseurs
Morill Draconis March Militia

Ok now one of the above is a rebuilt unit of historic note, the others are new....or new to us.
We might assume they're at LCT level for the most part, but even so if we're fielding more stuff
than in 3085, it is not disarmament is it?

We may also imagine that if there's a 4th Robinson or 6th Periphery, then there likely may be
preceding units numerically.  Also maybe other units like a 7th or ongoing, well a chap can hope.

[SCC]

Rorke, you're missing that the disarmament was 'MECHS ONLY

[mbear]

Who cares what GW does? I honestly hate the feel of resin and like the satisfying weight of pewter or steel and would take it anytime as a choice. And I for one can't wait to feel the weight of the Atlas III in my hand.  :)

I think Kitsune's point was more along the lines of "If GW (with their larger customer base) had to abandon metal because it was too expensive, IWM (with it's comparatively smaller customer base) may be well-advised to investigate other materials."

But I could be wrong.