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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #240 on: 25 January 2013, 21:21:34 »
Well, I also suspect there's a lot of regional powers who don't want the Hegemony to take the Niops.

Since Niops has diplomatic ties with the Regulans and Rim Commonality- which we know since the Regulans tried to use Niops to isolate the Rim Commonality.  I imagine the MoC would oppose it too.
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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #241 on: 25 January 2013, 21:34:00 »
Huntington, Landfall, and Hazeldean disagrees with your theories, unless something's wrong with my 3063 or 3130 maps.
Do you maps tell how they came to be part of the Hegemony? Because there are other ways besides conquest.
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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #242 on: 25 January 2013, 21:36:56 »
Do you maps tell how they came to be part of the Hegemony? Because there are other ways besides conquest.

Yeah can't see the FWL letting their worlds staying under Marian rule once they get their act together. :)

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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #243 on: 25 January 2013, 22:11:46 »
...once they get their act together. :)

Last I heard, this was very much still in progress.
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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #244 on: 26 January 2013, 01:22:43 »
Last I heard, this was very much still in progress.

True, but the Hegemony doesn't have an easily attainable long-term future ahead of it.  Once the League reforms, my guess is they'd pay more attention to the East, since in the Dark Ages the Magistracy loses Thraxa and Vixen.  They've always assaulted Thraxa so it would seem a likely target for expansion.  The Thraxans however, would NOT be happy with this plan.

As for the Niops, I suspect they'll always be a minor power.  Apart from their three planets, there's little than can do to expand.

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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #245 on: 26 January 2013, 01:36:22 »
Do you maps tell how they came to be part of the Hegemony? Because there are other ways besides conquest.
Fair enough.  I have a hard time seeing anyone from that neighborhood of FWL space just inviting the Marians in (since last I checked they were still considered barely-legitimized pirates by mos of their neighbors), but it's true that the map doesn't rule out peaceful transfer of power.
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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #246 on: 26 January 2013, 03:53:12 »
As for the Niops, I suspect they'll always be a minor power.  Apart from their three planets, there's little than can do to expand.

Dunno about you, but I'm fine with that, so long as they keep what's made them unique.
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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #247 on: 26 January 2013, 11:33:10 »
Fair enough.  I have a hard time seeing anyone from that neighborhood of FWL space just inviting the Marians in (since last I checked they were still considered barely-legitimized pirates by mos of their neighbors), but it's true that the map doesn't rule out peaceful transfer of power.

Heh, I guess there's always the chance they got together conquered the Hegemony and put up their own puppet Caesar.  ;)
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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #248 on: 26 January 2013, 12:09:02 »
Heh, I guess there's always the chance they got together conquered the Hegemony and put up their own puppet Caesar.  ;)

Actually the Niops replaces the Caesar with a clone who rules according to their wishes.   >:D
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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #249 on: 26 January 2013, 17:01:48 »
Well, Niops is certainly in a position where it must adapt or die in a lot of respects.  I really like their history in how they were once a Star League research outpost and thus were able to wield better than average equipment during the Succession Wars, but post-Jihad it seems like they've lost a lot of their previous advantages.

On the plus side, post-war reconstruction always replaces out of date and obsolete infrastructure and equipment.  If the Niops Association can get their hands on some good tech, they could easily retrofit and rebuild their factories and become a sturdier target against the denizens of the Periphery.

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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #250 on: 28 January 2013, 06:23:54 »
Well, Niops is certainly in a position where it must adapt or die in a lot of respects.  I really like their history in how they were once a Star League research outpost and thus were able to wield better than average equipment during the Succession Wars, but post-Jihad it seems like they've lost a lot of their previous advantages.

On the plus side, post-war reconstruction always replaces out of date and obsolete infrastructure and equipment.  If the Niops Association can get their hands on some good tech, they could easily retrofit and rebuild their factories and become a sturdier target against the denizens of the Periphery.

Unfortunately the devastation of the Jihad may have permanently destroyed their ability to fully recover.  With their government, most of their military destroyed and most of their industry damaged/destroyed, they are unlikely to recover any time in the near future.
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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #251 on: 28 January 2013, 19:36:02 »
I'm pretty sure that a few blackmarketiers will get their pockets full, but the majority still pay taxes, send supplies up the chain like always and collect pay, likely a bit less than usual due to the " War Effect ". But I believe they pull thru.

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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #252 on: 29 January 2013, 12:28:05 »
Unfortunately the devastation of the Jihad may have permanently destroyed their ability to fully recover.  With their government, most of their military destroyed and most of their industry damaged/destroyed, they are unlikely to recover any time in the near future.

 I thought NIOPS didn't have actual factories like the rest of the IS. They hand built mechs in garages. If that's so then their production should go back to what it was fairly easy..
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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #253 on: 29 January 2013, 15:34:06 »
I thought NIOPS didn't have actual factories like the rest of the IS. They hand built mechs in garages. If that's so then their production should go back to what it was fairly easy..

Actually I though all there mechs and equipment was old SL stuff left by the SLDF. I don't think they have anyway to rebuild what they had.

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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #254 on: 29 January 2013, 15:39:07 »
Can't remember the exact source(FM:Periphery?), but Niops is explicitly described as hand-building SL 'mechs from plans in their databases.
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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #255 on: 29 January 2013, 15:54:25 »
Can't remember the exact source(FM:Periphery?), but Niops is explicitly described as hand-building SL 'mechs from plans in their databases.

Thanks to Field Report: Periphery, we know that the Niops Association Project Workshop is - well, was - a canon facility.

And so long as the databases weren't all destroyed, the potential for resuming one-off construction of documented designs is still there. The NAM may yet rise again, just in time for 3145...


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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #256 on: 29 January 2013, 19:01:29 »
Look at it this way, Niops is out of the way, and it's possible the Clans if the ilClan takes over Terra. And over a couple of centuries, it slowly build an Empire for Science just in time by the time of the next great leap forward.

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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #257 on: 29 January 2013, 20:22:26 »
They're all in crates which they never open. It'd ruin their collectable status if they weren't new in box.

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« Reply #258 on: 29 January 2013, 20:58:27 »
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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #259 on: 29 January 2013, 22:53:33 »
I thought NIOPS didn't have actual factories like the rest of the IS. They hand built mechs in garages. If that's so then their production should go back to what it was fairly easy..

They did't have factories like the rest of the IS that churned out hundreds of Mechs but they had mines, smelters, workshops and assembly bays.  All of which is part of their INDUSTRY and many of which got damaged/destroyed in the fighting.
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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #260 on: 30 January 2013, 02:11:32 »
Can't remember the exact source(FM:Periphery?), but Niops is explicitly described as hand-building SL 'mechs from plans in their databases.
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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #261 on: 30 January 2013, 02:36:15 »
Define: Mill Lathes and Dyes using molds that are hand spurned?

In a garage using a Windmill generator for power source...

Making a prescious handmade part. Now add all the parts up to make a Strut support for a knee joint, elbow joint, wrist joint.....

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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #262 on: 30 January 2013, 13:25:14 »
They did't have factories like the rest of the IS that churned out hundreds of Mechs but they had mines, smelters, workshops and assembly bays.  All of which is part of their INDUSTRY and many of which got damaged/destroyed in the fighting.

 Never said they didn't.
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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #263 on: 15 February 2013, 02:16:01 »
hoody hoo!

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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #264 on: 15 February 2013, 03:25:28 »
hoody hoo!

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This makes me want to buy a Segway and fit guns.

(though fitting guns would probably be easier for everyone involved on a Segway Centaur)
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« Reply #265 on: 15 February 2013, 03:56:57 »
This makes me want to buy a Segway and fit guns.

(though fitting guns would probably be easier for everyone involved on a Segway Centaur)
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« Reply #266 on: 16 February 2013, 17:51:39 »
'not yet ready to become a product"? it's a 4-wheeler/quadbike. they actually pre-date cars.. how the heck is it "not ready to become a product"?

They are still talking and not yet ready to take our money? ;D


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« Reply #267 on: 16 February 2013, 18:53:08 »
They did't have factories like the rest of the IS that churned out hundreds of Mechs but they had mines, smelters, workshops and assembly bays.  All of which is part of their INDUSTRY and many of which got damaged/destroyed in the fighting.

True, but as of 3085 they had repaired enough to field two full Mech battalions and at least double that number of armor and infantry units.  That's at least 2 combined arms regiments right there, and those regiments are considerably higher-tech than the Marian Legions.
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« Reply #268 on: 16 February 2013, 23:42:53 »
True, but as of 3085 they had repaired enough to field two full Mech battalions and at least double that number of armor and infantry units.

Nearly two Mech battalions and their aerospace regiment has been decimated.  As of 3085, it fields only two fighter squadrons.  It is unclear whether the rebuilt Mech forces are newly built or simply salvaged and repaired Mechs.  (I wasn't aware that they fielded armor in any significant quantities.)

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That's at least 2 combined arms regiments right there, and those regiments are considerably higher-tech than the Marian Legions.

Barely 2 combined arm regiments that are spread across three planets and while (maybe) fielding higher tech than the average Marian Legion, some of the more prestigious Marian Legions field more advanced tech.  Both the I and II Marian Legions are approximately 70% upgraded and have an A rating while the Niops Militia is only 22% upgraded with a D rating.

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Which is the main reason the Hegemony does not move on the association: It would require more force than the Hegemony can spare to conquer.

Not really.  The main reason is that the Hegemony sees richer spoils available along the (former) FWL periphery border that are less defended (or at least so they assumed).  They did encounter some difficulties on San Nicholas.
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Re: Empire of the Nerds: The Niops Association Thread
« Reply #269 on: 17 February 2013, 00:36:10 »

Not really.  The main reason is that the Hegemony sees richer spoils available along the (former) FWL periphery border that are less defended (or at least so they assumed).  They did encounter some difficulties on San Nicholas.

Well with the reunification of FWL, is taking old league worlds really good idea for the MH? I mean even weaken as it is the FWL is a bit more for the MH to take on.

 

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