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Re: ’Mech of the Week: WHM-* Warhammer
« Reply #60 on: 21 July 2019, 18:01:21 »
Is the 8D not a good upgrade for the 6D?
Max armor, good cooling, good firepower. Yes, there's the Streak with its explosive ammo but there's CASE and decent amount of padding so it ain't that bad.

IMO the 8D is an excellent Inner Sphere heavy 'Mech.
I have to agree.  Of all the reseens, she one the ones to me came out pretty solid and reusable.

Thing i noticed is the Kuritan Star League era Variant, still hasn't gotten a Record Sheet yet unless someone spotted it else where?
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« Reply #61 on: 21 July 2019, 18:13:20 »
I have to agree.  Of all the reseens, she one the ones to me came out pretty solid and reusable.

Thing i noticed is the Kuritan Star League era Variant, still hasn't gotten a Record Sheet yet unless someone spotted it else where?
ER2750 'Mechs lack official RS. Megamek has approximate versions though.
The 6Rk is easy though, just replace the engine with an XL type and increase speed (i'd keep the leg heat sinks, others get moved to the engine).
Kinda neat model actually, the Whammy has a bit limited armor so greater mobility is certainly useful.
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« Reply #62 on: 23 July 2019, 06:08:59 »
ER2750 'Mechs lack official RS. Megamek has approximate versions though.
The 6Rk is easy though, just replace the engine with an XL type and increase speed (i'd keep the leg heat sinks, others get moved to the engine).
Kinda neat model actually, the Whammy has a bit limited armor so greater mobility is certainly useful.

6Rk is DHS equipped, so that's kinda out.

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« Reply #63 on: 23 July 2019, 08:09:23 »
Ah, right, forgot that.
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« Reply #64 on: 23 July 2019, 15:44:25 »
Is the 8D not a good upgrade for the 6D?
Max armor, good cooling, good firepower. Yes, there's the Streak with its explosive ammo but there's CASE and decent amount of padding so it ain't that bad.

IMO the 8D is an excellent Inner Sphere heavy 'Mech.
It is a decent upgrade of the 6D but takes way to long appear, a 7D with ER PPC and DHS could have been rolled out much earlier (ie tro:3050) but most of those upgrades were done in the OH Shiny New toys/tech lets pop this in anywhere, reference like Panther with ERPPC and SHS.  Here what I am should have been a  7D.  It makes a a great trooper mech
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« Reply #65 on: 23 July 2019, 17:37:37 »
8D's probably my favorite and the one I've had the most games in.  Just a stone cold killer and tough to get rid of.  Just wish the miniature wasn't so "special."

Don't know if it is tournament legal to do so, but with the beautiful knew sculpt in the Inner Sphere Battle Lance coming out in 2020, couldn't you just use that to portray your Warhammer 8D without feeling like the red headed step child?

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« Reply #66 on: 23 July 2019, 17:54:44 »
Since its not WYSIWYG . . .
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« Reply #67 on: 08 September 2019, 08:30:47 »
It is a decent upgrade of the 6D but takes way to long appear, a 7D with ER PPC and DHS could have been rolled out much earlier (ie tro:3050) but most of those upgrades were done in the OH Shiny New toys/tech lets pop this in anywhere, reference like Panther with ERPPC and SHS.  Here what I am should have been a  7D.  It makes a a great trooper mech


The FedCom was building the 7S and buying the 7M, why would they need to build a third variant?  I suspect other upgrades or completely new designs were higher on the priority list anyway; while both the AFFS and LCAF both used plenty of Whammys, it’s not really the design you think of when you think “Davion Heavy” or “Steiner Heavy”.
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« Reply #68 on: 08 September 2019, 11:10:38 »
Think it's just a miss opportunity by FASA, like the Awesome AWS-9M when the AWS-9Q seems like the more logical upgrade.

That said, this was right about when the BTU was flooded with new designs along with the return of SLDF designs. Would a 7D be nice? Hell yeah, I have a fan build myself. Is it needed?
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« Reply #69 on: 08 September 2019, 17:57:14 »
Without missiles, how different is a -7D over a Penetrator really?
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« Reply #70 on: 08 September 2019, 18:13:19 »
Without missiles, how different is a -7D over a Penetrator really?


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« Reply #71 on: 08 September 2019, 20:14:14 »
Without missiles, how different is a -7D over a Penetrator really?
PPC not LL; ML not MPL

It's the little things, but they count. That's why I'm a fervent believer in the idea that Mech variants should adhere to the established theme of the Mech.

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« Reply #72 on: 08 September 2019, 22:19:55 »
PPC not LL; ML not MPL

It's the little things, but they count. That's why I'm a fervent believer in the idea that Mech variants should adhere to the established theme of the Mech.

And still not that different- trade some range issues for damage and the ability to pile on.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: WHM-* Warhammer
« Reply #73 on: 09 September 2019, 00:39:48 »
Between the Black Knight and the Penetrator, you got energy troopers well covered. Besides, the Warhammer WHM-6Rb is also the same tech level
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« Reply #74 on: 09 September 2019, 15:48:12 »
I think the thing about the availability of Mech really is a deciding factor. I mean the Black Knight should be ridiculously rare but there's no such thing as rare there's either extinct or it's available. TRO o 3025 revised pretty much threw that under the the bridge saying that it was available even though if the fluff suggests it's limited in number. Warhammer was mech of its time before the unseen thing ruined things. Thus flood of arguably better designs like the Knight.  Penetrator is very different machine from the whammy. It has to be bracket fired and you got be careful about side torsos a due to its XL and bomb in the center torso with its AMS ammo.
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« Reply #75 on: 09 September 2019, 16:43:24 »
Thus flood of arguably better designs like the Knight.  Penetrator is very different machine from the whammy. It has to be bracket fired and you got be careful about side torsos a due to its XL and bomb in the center torso with its AMS ammo.

The Warhammer -6D is sort of bracket fire as well, since the choice boils down to, fire both PPCs or fire one & everything else while running.  I get you, as a merc starting off in the Chaos March in '60 I wanted affordable & survivable, so for my line designs I ended up with three of the D series from 3025 (BLR, MAD, WHM) as my line fighters.  Fire support hung further back and I went with more advanced designs to increase throw weight- not fighting the Clans being cutting edge did not quite matter.  But IMO you can take a Warhammer 6D pilot, put his/her but in the seat of a Penetrator (except the weird LRM one) and its going to feel a lot the same- except the gait- when it comes to fighting the machine.
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« Reply #76 on: 09 September 2019, 16:55:14 »
  Penetrator is very different machine from the whammy. It has to be bracket fired and you got be careful about side torsos a due to its XL and bomb in the center torso with its AMS ammo.

Um?

No Penetrator I'm aware of has an XL or even light. The ammo bomb on all of them is irritating, but losing a side torso barely slows one down

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« Reply #77 on: 09 September 2019, 17:34:45 »

The FedCom was building the 7S and buying the 7M, why would they need to build a third variant?  I suspect other upgrades or completely new designs were higher on the priority list anyway; while both the AFFS and LCAF both used plenty of Whammys, it’s not really the design you think of when you think “Davion Heavy” or “Steiner Heavy”.
But the 6D was/is the Fed Sun model of the Warhammer, it must have had it "users" who were not used to launching Missile at target too.  And no it makes a good Steiner Recon mech

Without missiles, how different is a -7D over a Penetrator really?
I have had horrible lucky with Penetrators and good luck with Warhammers   :thumbsup:
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« Reply #78 on: 09 September 2019, 19:27:27 »
I have had horrible lucky with Penetrators and good luck with Warhammers   :thumbsup:

Oh, THAT I will buy . . . I am not a huge fan of the Timber Wolf A, but whenever I DO run it, the SSRM ammo always gets TAC'd it seems.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: WHM-* Warhammer
« Reply #79 on: 10 September 2019, 15:48:17 »
Um?

No Penetrator I'm aware of has an XL or even light. The ammo bomb on all of them is irritating, but losing a side torso barely slows one down
Oof, been long time since i used the Penetrator. I had been running that mech for many years (real time) in very long campaign.  Sorry for mis-remembering.  Thing was pretty darn easy to lose your torso, i can safely say that.

New rules with AMS were not yet in effect, so I've been saved couple times from a Center Torso hit to the Ammo bin, when bin had run dry thanks to rolling a 1D6 show how much ammo was used.   Whammy was more vulnerable to a ammo it than Pen was though.
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