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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #960 on: 14 April 2020, 00:25:55 »
Why would you need to convert?

Because what I have is a high-qual plastic Hellbringer Prime, and
1) why buy when I can mod, plus
2) This is using up some of the the last of my IWM Clanners before the KS minis hit (yes, they will come, and I will build them ...)

I'm probably going to go with the C, if only for the fun of modding, plus having two great gun arms for future conversions!

Oddly enough, the two are virtually identical in Alpha Strike; 5/5/2, with the C having FLK1/1/0, and the F having FLK1/1/1.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #961 on: 14 April 2020, 10:23:28 »
Voting Hellbringer-F but then that is probably my favorite Hellbringer config. Cheap, flexible, yet not awful.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #962 on: 14 April 2020, 12:17:29 »
IMO the F is too much of a balanced mid-ranged brawler for it to be a good Loki config. Can't put out enough of a punch to instant-KO a target, doesn't have enough range to keep it alive for long. So consider that another vote for the C.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #963 on: 14 April 2020, 12:29:15 »
I forget, can LB-X cannons use the TacOps double-fire rules, or is it just standard ACs? If they can, then in a C I'd wait until the ATM is dry, then try to close to big gun range and go for the ultimate in high-risk, high-reward. Win or lose, you're almost guaranteed to end up in the Remembrance, even if only in the "this was dumb, don't do it" sense.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #964 on: 14 April 2020, 12:34:18 »
I forget, can LB-X cannons use the TacOps double-fire rules, or is it just standard ACs?

Just the standard, sadly.

And waiting back with the C sounds like a decidedly unLoki thing to do. If y'aint immediately YOLOing in for a brief blast of glory, y'aint Loki-ing hard enough ,lol.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #965 on: 14 April 2020, 14:05:38 »
For any random Warrior, that's true.  For a Star Colonel, getting too aggressive and getting your ass shot down without even making sure you'd won the trial first is the worst possible outcome.

Command Stars are Cluster-level formations and this is the CO's ride.  You need to be playing with a fencing saber, not a cudgel.
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« Reply #966 on: 12 May 2020, 20:10:54 »
From the Coventry campaign, recon imagery of an Eyrie Cluster taking the field:
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #967 on: 12 May 2020, 20:15:17 »
So three Heavy / Assault mechs and 27 Lights?

Sounds just about right!

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #968 on: 13 May 2020, 11:58:23 »
Jade Falcon Light Mech's on the move during the Coventry campaign

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #969 on: 13 May 2020, 13:20:10 »
Don't know what those birds are, but they do look edible.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #970 on: 08 June 2020, 00:45:42 »
So I discovered the Hellbringer 2 and the Summoner 2 today! Yes, I have been living under a rock and yes I am in love with both mechs. At first, I wasn't thrilled with the Hellbringer had it's movement dropped down to 4/6 because the 5/8 movement profile on a heavy is huge. But when I saw the armor upgrade and the weapon load outs, I was over it. This is the mech every Warhammer pilot wish he had during the Succession Wars. The ranged firepower on the configs are exactly how I would want them to be. Long ranged firepower with short range back up. There could have been a few more variants especially one with the insanity of the original Prime config.

The Summoner 2 picks up where the original left of. It keeps that maneuverability and retains the firepower of the original. I'm not as impressed with the variants on this as I am the Hellbringer 2, but they are still very functional. The Prime lacks a big gun to hit from at range but is still a phenominal brawler. The A takes over for the old prime. I'm not fond of the B. I guess we needed a missile boat but was the goal to see how many different missile launchers we could fit on a mech? C is the AC 20 bully and the D is the laser boat. I like it!

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #971 on: 08 June 2020, 01:46:51 »
Has anyone tested to see how well they mesh together, with Lokis providing fire support for the Thors?

(Basically, the same as the 3050s, only more so.)
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #972 on: 08 June 2020, 18:10:20 »
I have, used a Grand Summoner -C with a Loki Mk. II -A supported with double points of Nacon supporting a single point of Demo C's.

Lost against some Wolves that ran a Nova against me, mostly Warwolf -C ( 3 total ), a Skinwalker-B and a Shadow Cat II 2. They had 3 points of Cuchulainn and a pair of ancient ER Micro armed Toad units.

It was a double blind city fight...

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #973 on: 08 June 2020, 19:38:16 »
I have been away and out of loop for 5 years so I was shocked to read that Falcon Guard was destroyed 2nd and final time. As my favorite novels ever are Legend of the Jade Phoenix Trilogy so it was even bigger shock because of it.

Now Clan Invasion KS is great as it allows me to get more Clan mechs. BT miniatures are difficult to find around here as no LGS sells those. Even BT books are difficult to find let alone minatures.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #974 on: 09 June 2020, 08:00:42 »
I have, used a Grand Summoner -C with a Loki Mk. II -A supported with double points of Nacon supporting a single point of Demo C's.

Lost against some Wolves that ran a Nova against me, mostly Warwolf -C ( 3 total ), a Skinwalker-B and a Shadow Cat II 2. They had 3 points of Cuchulainn and a pair of ancient ER Micro armed Toad units.

It was a double blind city fight...

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...and? How'd the mechs do?
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #975 on: 09 June 2020, 22:05:38 »
Great, used the Loki as the main attacker with supporting Demos, and had my Grand Summoner bring the pain to a Warhawk early on, kept the speed up. Got cornered by the Skinwalker that laid into my side so that a Cuchulainn Squad could crit me... My Nacons kept another Warhawk busy enough for me to swing the Loki in for a kill shot that missed. Losing both Demos to Toads, they had a Shadow Cat to deal with at that time, taking it down but not out, it lost a leg but could still shoot. By this time I had lost the Summoner, the twin Demolishers and a Nacon, with another Nacon on fire with smoke coming from it's side after a Cuchulainn Squad strike hit it.

In the end, it was fun... the Wolf player lost a Warhawk, a Skinwalker and the equivalent of two full squads of Cuchulainn, as well as four Toads. Three from a Squad and another one from the last. Everyone else had major damage dealt to them... Next game I'm going to run with more Infantry forces...

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #976 on: 13 June 2020, 13:59:36 »
It seems the Jade Falcons have another new Dark Age Era Mech, the Hierofalcon. Mentioned in the description for the Dominator at the back of Divided We Fall. Apparently a Dominator pilot engaged a Summoner and this new Hierofalcon during the battle for Skye.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #977 on: 13 June 2020, 14:46:17 »
New DA era Falcon mech? Yes please! I really love how those fully embraise Falcon theme and roll with it.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #978 on: 13 June 2020, 15:50:48 »
It's probably a Gyrfalcon on stilts ;)
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #979 on: 13 June 2020, 17:00:40 »
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #980 on: 13 June 2020, 20:14:01 »
I looked up the term and a Hierofalcon is a subgenus of falcons that include the Gyrfalcon and Lanner, though Divided We Fall spells the Mech name Heirofalcon. Considering the Gyrfalcon and Black Lanner are both 55 ton Mechs I wonder if the Heirofalcon might also be a medium Mech. Other than the name and that it saw service on Skye with the Jade Falcons no further details were provided.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #981 on: 16 June 2020, 02:51:54 »
Good: new Falcon 'Mech

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #982 on: 18 June 2020, 16:20:22 »
Bryan Young just posted the cover to his new CJF novel, Honor's Gauntlet on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/battletech/comments/hb2psn/the_cover_to_my_battletech_book_honors_gauntlet/

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #983 on: 18 June 2020, 18:59:54 »
In the DA and beyond, how common are vehicles in the Jade Falcon touman and what types are used?

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« Reply #984 on: 18 June 2020, 19:19:26 »
Quite common, if taken directly from the DA novels. More embraced by the Mongol faction, and reflective of the loosening of the old Zell/Honour system, along with physical attacks.

Basically, vehicles are seen as cheaper and easier to get crew for than 'Mechs, so like Hamburger Helper.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #985 on: 18 June 2020, 19:50:58 »
Looking at the sorts of vehicles the Jade Falcons produce themselves or purchase from the Sea Foxes and their roles. It seems like, except for possibly the Horde Clusters, vehicles are used primarily in combat support roles to free up Mechs for direct combat.
Nacons, Kites, and Balacs are used for scouting and spotting.
Oros and Pikes are used for AA defense.
Indras, APCs, Cardinals, and Kus are used for infantry transport and support.
Hadurs, Indras, Gurzils, Huitzilopochtlis, SM2s, and Snipers are used for artillery and fire support.
Skandas, Chalchiutotolins, Sokars, and Demolishers are used for garrison duty and urban warfare.
Also, VTOLs seem fairly common with Donars, Skadis, Hawk Moths, and Cardinals all in use.

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« Reply #986 on: 19 June 2020, 03:10:01 »
Bryan Young just posted the cover to his new CJF novel, Honor's Gauntlet on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/battletech/comments/hb2psn/the_cover_to_my_battletech_book_honors_gauntlet/

That is one sweet looking cover. I do love me some Shrike
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #987 on: 19 June 2020, 10:18:38 »
Going by some of the fiction, vehicles are how the Falcons at least were making the most out of their freeborn populations, and washout Aerospace/Mechwarriors.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #988 on: 19 June 2020, 16:00:29 »
Well seeing that DA era Falcons operate differently than they precessors whole use of more vehicles makes sense and is actually good change. It gives flexibility and numbers that Falcons lacked in past.

Bryan Young just posted the cover to his new CJF novel, Honor's Gauntlet on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/battletech/comments/hb2psn/the_cover_to_my_battletech_book_honors_gauntlet/

That is one nice looking cover.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #989 on: 19 June 2020, 16:00:57 »
Looking at the sorts of vehicles the Jade Falcons produce themselves or purchase from the Sea Foxes and their roles. It seems like, except for possibly the Horde Clusters, vehicles are used primarily in combat support roles to free up Mechs for direct combat.
Nacons, Kites, and Balacs are used for scouting and spotting.
Oros and Pikes are used for AA defense.
Indras, APCs, Cardinals, and Kus are used for infantry transport and support.
Hadurs, Indras, Gurzils, Huitzilopochtlis, SM2s, and Snipers are used for artillery and fire support.
Skandas, Chalchiutotolins, Sokars, and Demolishers are used for garrison duty and urban warfare.
Also, VTOLs seem fairly common with Donars, Skadis, Hawk Moths, and Cardinals all in use.


Thanks! I did some digging into the faction list and looked at what was available! I read up on the stats to get familiar with the options! Looks like I will have to start integrating some vehicles into my games now!

 

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