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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #150 on: 03 January 2015, 12:25:25 »
Thanks Bran. That's why I read this forum in a bus.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #151 on: 03 January 2015, 12:41:35 »
I had written up a little bit on Malvina before - but I found more similarities to Timur than Genghis.

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      Early in his career Timur gained the wounds that gave him the name Timur-i Lenk—Timur the Lame; two arrow wounds to his right arm and right leg. He lost the use of his elbow as well as losing his fourth and fifth fingers.  His hip seized, causing his leg to remain rigid and forever shorter than the left. Biographers such as the 14th century’s Ahmad ibn Arabshah state that Timur became a vengeful monster after these crippling wounds.

      Malvina Hazen also suffered grievous, life-altering injuries to the very same limbs—her right arm and right leg. After a defeat by Republic forces on Skye in 3134 her injured leg, arm and eye were replaced with cybernetic prosthetics. Like Timur, Malvina—already vicious and somewhat unhinged—turned into a sadistic fiend after suffering her injuries.

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      Near Tashkent in 1365 the forces of Timur and Husayn met an invading force led by the former governor of Mawarannahr, Ilyas Khoja. During the battle a terrific storm began and the battlefield turned to thick mud. Pressing hard in the mired and confused battle, Timur seized the upper hand and signaled for Husayn—nominally his commander—to bring forward his men and finish the enemy. Yet Husayn held back. The Moghul forces rushed to take advantage of this fatal mistake and swarmed through, cutting men down on all sides. Ten thousand were killed. Timur and Husayn fled the battlefield and across the Amu Darya. It was an ignominious ending, to say the least.
      For Timur, who had ambitions on a scale far beyond this small theatre of war, this battle sowed the seeds of doubt into his alliance with Husayn. How reliable was a man who refused to fight alongside his partner in battle when the fighting was at its most critical? In Timur’s mind, he had been betrayed.

          The situation was similar—or so Malvina felt—for the Falcon desant. The three Falcon Galaxies had gained numerous victories and an invaluable foothold in Republic space. However, Khan Jana Pryde held the Falcon touman back. Requests for resupply were ‘essentially unanswered’. Requests for much-needed reinforcements and replacements were met with a trickle of dregs and solahma. Malvina questioned Jana’s ability to lead the Clan and her motives for sending the desant deep into enemy territory.

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      The alliance between Timur and Husayn had been sealed with the marriage of Timur to Husayn’s sister Aljas. Her death around this time, which represented the final severance of family ties, now looked like a harbinger of destiny.

          This was somewhat mirrored by Malvina’s situation. Her brother Aleksandr’s death at the time of the perceived betrayal removed the only thing grounding her as a Clan warrior. In her mind, this also signified a final severance from Jana’s Jade Falcon proper and represented a harbinger of destiny.

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      In 1370 Timur rode south over the Amu Darya, his sights set on removing the last obstacle to supreme power in Southern Mawarannahr; Husayn. After a long fight, his former ally was defeated and executed. In deference to the traditions of Genghis Khan, by which only a man of royal blood could aspire to supreme command, Timur installed a puppet Chagatai Khan, Suyurghatmish, as nominal ruler. This was no more than a formality. All knew that power lay with Timur alone. Ahmad ibn Arabshah recorded: ‘Under his sway were ruler and subject alike … and the Khan was in his bondage, like a centipede in the mud …’
      The realities of this power sharing arrangement were underlined in a dramatic ceremony of enthronement where Timur crowned himself imperial ruler of Chagatai.
      Additionally, one of the more important spoils gained by Timur was Saray Mulk-Khanum, the wife of Husayn, who he now made his own. Daughter of Qazan, the last Chagatai Khan of Mawarannahr, she was also a princess of the Genghis line. Taking her as his wife bolstered Timur’s legitimacy. From this point on, he styled himself Timur Gurgan (son-in-law) of the Great Khan.

      Malvina performed a similar feat, defeating and slaying Jana Pryde in personal combat. She installed her fellow Galaxy Commander and advisor, Beckett Malthus, as Khan of Clan Jade Falcon. As with the Chagatai, all knew who held the reins of power despite the title. Here Beckett was very much the ‘Khan in bondage, like a centipede in the mud …’
      Malvina also gave herself a title for her new position, also in homage to the past; Chingis Khan, Emperor of all Mankind.


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      Timur’s name has gone down in history and legend as a synonym for cruelty. His string of constant battlefield successes and almost inevitable massacres that followed are the hallmark of his legacy in most of the world.
      This is in somewhat of a contrast to his ancestors. Whereas Genghis and his sons also indulged in massacres, these were usually carried out dispassionately and with a coldly calculated purpose—to terrorize foes into submission. Timur’s massacres were more frequent, more obviously sadistic and often served no apparent purpose.
      Historian John Joseph Saunders wrote succinctly: ‘Till the advent of Hitler, Timur stood forth in history as the supreme example of soulless and unproductive militarism’.

      Malvina, as we are all aware, is certainly in this league of cruelty. Like Timur, her savage massacres greatly exceeding in number and in viciousness those contributed by her predecessors.

Wonderful analysis, Bren.  You're a BT fan and player after my own heart for going the additional km to research and find these parallels that we can be confident that the writers certainly put into their work for us to marvel at and compare. 

Don't mind if I quote it to bring it up to the next page. 

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #152 on: 07 January 2015, 21:55:21 »
So this happened in a recent megamek lark:
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Graveyard contains:
Jump Platoon (Rifle) (Princess)
Gunnery Skill : Joe Lazo [4] ( 6 hit(s)   )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Eyrie (Standard) (Weirdo)

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Partisan Heavy Tank (AC2) (Princess)
Driver : Gabriella Caruso [4/5]
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Eyrie (Standard) (Weirdo)

Orion ON1-M (Princess)
Pilot : Pavlushshenka Konarski [4/5] ( 3 hit(s)   )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Eyrie (Standard) (Weirdo)

AC/2 Carrier (Princess)
Driver : Tom Hami [4/5]
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Eyrie (Standard) (Weirdo)

Motorized Platoon (LRM) (Princess)
Gunnery Skill : Nagore Kotsiopoulos [4] ( 6 hit(s)   )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Eyrie (Standard) (Weirdo)

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The following utterly destroyed units are not available for salvage:
Mauler MAL-C (Princess)
Pilot : Sharon Mncio [4/5] ( 6 hit(s)   )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Eyrie (Standard) (Weirdo)

I know fights against the bot are hardly worth bragging about, but most of those kills were made in the middle of a pitched firefight, and aside from the Mauler, they were unassisted. (The Mauler had some damage recieved the turn prior to death from a Gyrfalcon 3.)

Long story short, I think the Eyrie is fast becoming one of my favorite backstabbers in Clan service... >:D
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #153 on: 08 January 2015, 03:07:27 »
Oh, man, yes. The Eyrie is superb. It's also a wonderful insurance policy against people who think reflective armor will save them from the Clans.

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« Reply #154 on: 08 January 2015, 03:28:59 »
They Eyrie is a psychotic little monster who punches* well above its weight. The little bastard can put out over fourty points of damage in innumerable tiny clusters at point blank range, and that's before its overpowered kick of death.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #155 on: 09 January 2015, 03:47:46 »
Malvina's little play time is over, time for tradition to kill her off, (before she endangers the very Clan) <cringes>
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #156 on: 09 January 2015, 08:57:39 »
Malvina's little play time is over, time for tradition to kill her off, (before she endangers the very Clan) <cringes>

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #157 on: 09 January 2015, 21:45:59 »
In a MM game this morning, I had an Eyrie trash a fresh Tundra Wolf in one round. The little monster jumped behind it and managed to set off its ammo as well as landing a head hit. The Tundra's pilot was knocked out and never woke up.

I still kicked it to be sure
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #158 on: 12 January 2015, 10:51:06 »
In a MM game this morning, I had an Eyrie trash a fresh Tundra Wolf in one round. The little monster jumped behind it and managed to set off its ammo as well as landing a head hit. The Tundra's pilot was knocked out and never woke up.

I still kicked it to be sure

Even if it dies from it, give it a swift kick anyway. It's a Wolf, it deserves a little extra love-tap.  ^-^
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« Reply #159 on: 12 January 2015, 18:20:42 »
Even if it dies from it, give it a swift kick anyway. It's a Wolf, it deserves a little extra love-tap.  ^-^

But of course.

So what ammo loadout do people prefer on the Eyrie? It has only two tons of ATM ammo, so you can't do the usual "ton of each ATM type". I'd imagine you would also allways have at least one ton of HE for it's point-blank backstabbing hell (and what my 40+ points of damage estimate is based on), but what about the other?

A part of me figures that it'd be rare to burn through all 20 shots of HE in one battle before the fight was over or the thing died, but you never know...
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #160 on: 12 January 2015, 23:26:09 »
I always do one each of HE and ER. I often have them guarding Gyrfalcons so ER lets them join in on the pelting-foes-from-afar fun, and then HE is essential for the sort of backstabbing that the Eyrie is actually for.

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« Reply #161 on: 13 January 2015, 00:27:46 »
Ditto. Since I've been grouping them with Gyralfcons as well, a ton of ER lets them contribute at similar range, and the ton of HE means EVERYTHING has to fear getting backstabbed. >:D
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« Reply #162 on: 13 January 2015, 10:29:28 »
Since I like to use it as a close-combat machine, I start with standard ammo as it bum-rushes, then switch to HE. The ER just doesn't do enough damage to really justify bringing it along, to me.
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« Reply #163 on: 18 January 2015, 13:15:53 »
How do you pronounce "Turkina?" Turkey-na?
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #164 on: 18 January 2015, 13:20:28 »
I say Tur-kee-nuh. Or if referring to the 'mech, Toy-let-bohl.
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« Reply #165 on: 18 January 2015, 13:24:40 »
Sweet!  I pronounce them both correctly.  ;)  Time to reward myself with some cold pizza.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #166 on: 18 January 2015, 15:41:14 »
Sweet!  I pronounce them both correctly.  ;)  Time to reward myself with some cold pizza.

Uh...was that YOUR pizza?  Umm...sorry.

(Seriously, I was eating cold pizza as I read this post.)
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« Reply #167 on: 18 January 2015, 16:07:32 »
It's OK, the IlKhan ruled that there will be no more trials over cold pizza at my house anymore.  We can share.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #168 on: 09 February 2015, 12:57:54 »
so for the hive mind here.  I'm thinking of building a jade falcon trinary.  Any suggestions other then summoner, and hell bringers?

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #169 on: 09 February 2015, 13:10:57 »
Any given era?

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #170 on: 09 February 2015, 17:18:33 »
Flamberge - it looks cool, though its configurations leave a little to be desired. 

Black Lanner E - I’m a big fan of this one.  I can’t get enough ATMs. 

Cougar prime – another solid JF mech.  Despite being a light mech, it’s too slow for recon work.  Use it as a pocket medium. 

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« Reply #171 on: 10 February 2015, 11:37:42 »
I'm always eager to suggest the Fire Falcon.  Nothing more Jade Falcon than a glass cannon that isn't all that fast.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #172 on: 11 February 2015, 11:04:39 »
Is anyone else a bit like me when it comes to the Turkina Prime, a bit sad that its not an AC and PPC in each arm rather than paired AC's and paired PPCs.  Don't know why, just an asthetic thing I guess.
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« Reply #173 on: 12 February 2015, 01:24:35 »
No, I'm with you. The Turkina - should have been named after the feral no-necked jade scrote-turtle of the Strana Mechty swamps.

It's a beast of a design in the right circumstances, but there ain't nothing graceful or birlike about it.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #174 on: 12 February 2015, 04:04:16 »
Considering its popularity within the Falcons and their new BIG BIRD design asethetic one could imagine that their Sudaten plant could re-work the Turkina so it looks less like a snapping turtle and more graceful and fitting for the Clan's totem animal (IE get it re-drawn).

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« Reply #175 on: 12 February 2015, 23:24:58 »
The Black Hawk and Ryoken are both solid force choices, with the former having the advantage that the Falcons are building it in the IS. Both are the sorts of 'Mechs you can justify in any Clan force at all.

Likewise, the Mad Cat is a realtively common 'Mech in Falcon forces, so you could easily fit one in as a break from the normal Thors and Lokis. Also, Vultures, which can again go in just about any Clan force. mmm, side torso explosions. The Night Gyr is another good choice if you're not as worried about having a traditionally Falcon "go fast" force.

If you want a bit of colour (and your warriors to hate you), thrown in a captured Battle Cobra or Crossbow. The former is actually not too bad, and the latter... uh... well... there's an APGR configuration I kind of like? Maybe?
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #176 on: 13 February 2015, 13:46:30 »
If you want a bit of colour (and your warriors to hate you), thrown in a captured Battle Cobra or Crossbow. The former is actually not too bad, and the latter... uh... well... there's an APGR configuration I kind of like? Maybe?

These are actually good options.  After the Viper ejection from the IS, the Falcons should have plenty of them picked up as salvage.   

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« Reply #177 on: 13 February 2015, 13:57:59 »
And nothing irks the enemy more than using their own gear against them  >:D
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #178 on: 14 February 2015, 23:21:50 »
I just realized that almost everything the Falcons use is a Heavy 'Mech of some kind or another.

The Grand Summoner, Flamberge, Jade Hawk, and Night Gyr are all very competent Heavy 'Mechs.

The Hel is a Heavy that thinks it's an Assault.

The Shrike is an Assault that thinks it's a Heavy.

The Cougar is a light that thinks it's a Heavy.

The Hellbringer is a Heavy that thinks it's a Light.

The Shadow Cat II is a Heavy that thinks it's a Medium.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #179 on: 15 February 2015, 05:21:00 »
I'm still not sure about the Jade Hawk, it seems so hyper specialised in almost all of its variants, and the standard version you have to turn off 3/4 of the things heatsinks to get it working properly :s
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