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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #240 on: 20 July 2015, 19:38:20 »
bide bide wait a minute i see what you di di di, implied  there!

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I am afraid I did not get it... what was implied?

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #241 on: 20 July 2015, 19:42:48 »
I hereby declare my intention to field two complete trinaries of Delta Galaxy minis. One 'Mechs, one battle armour.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #242 on: 20 July 2015, 21:04:04 »
I hereby declare my intention to field two complete trinaries of Delta Galaxy minis. One 'Mechs, one battle armour.

Excellent. Kit Foxes for ALL.  O0
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #243 on: 20 July 2015, 21:14:31 »
JHB, you know I rock the high end of the RAT ;)  At this point it's a heavy Omni star, an assault second-line star, and a heavy C star.

OTOH, I do have some CityTech Novas and Kit Foxes. But then I'd have to shift the Cs into a Solhama formation ...

AAARGH! My name is Worktroll, and I'm a formation addict. This would indeed reduce the number of transports needed for the BA trinary; two stars of Omnis mean only one star of BA transport needed. The Cardinal isn't available Jihad-era; is the Anhur mini any good? How's it sized? Plus some Haephestii in the 5-ton transport mod ...

(Already spent my budget for June-July-August getting lance packs plus some other minis ...)
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #244 on: 20 July 2015, 21:29:41 »
No idea if the Anhur is any good as a mini- it's a right bastard of a nasty aircraft, but as a mini I'll defer to others. (Still sad that we only got the one of them in MWDA, it was a good sculpt there, but now it's a bitch to get your hands on them)

Worth remembering, the Hephaestus tended to be Horse-only. Same for the Tyr, pretty much a Dominion toy. So if you want to move Falcon BA around without Omnimechs, you're kind of looking at Svantovits and... not sure on Maxim-Cs, but probably it's just Svantovits. (And really, that's not the worst thing in the world. Good tank.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #245 on: 20 July 2015, 21:54:32 »
The Haephestus is such a lovely mini. I modded some into the jump config for Fletch, another Aussie, and waiting to see them painted.

Svants it'll be then. And wondering how I could convert a Skadi into an Anhur ...
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #246 on: 20 July 2015, 23:30:43 »
Anhur is a sweet mini, I have two, in CHH colours of course.

Said tanks are in the process of being painted.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #247 on: 20 July 2015, 23:31:20 »
How does it compare with (for example) one of the DA Gnome bases you have?
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #248 on: 21 July 2015, 02:07:47 »
I haven't seen the record sheet for it, but if you're building for Jihad era, then the Falcons have a BA version of the commuter bus Indra.  :D

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #249 on: 21 July 2015, 09:22:46 »
Their branch of Quikscell also builds generic tracked APCs, though those wouldn't help much for BA.

Similarly, given the kind of gear that the Falcons restrict their front line units to when they have a choice, do you think the Ironhold is a second line suit? It seems either that, or they'd only be deployed via airmobile assaults.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #250 on: 21 July 2015, 18:13:56 »
How does it compare with (for example) one of the DA Gnome bases you have?

The anhur mini is on the larger size for a vtol so should look ok with the DA BA suits.  Will get a picture for you.

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« Reply #251 on: 21 July 2015, 18:27:29 »
Thanks!

Now JHB has managed to inveigle me into moving the Cs into a Solahma unit, I'll be replacing them with two Novas, two Kit Foxes, and a Loki. The first four are all CityTech plastics, so modding them will cover the inherent flaws.

I'll only need to move a star of BA with transports - a point of Anhurs and something else ought to do.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #252 on: 22 July 2015, 07:03:37 »
Thanks!

Now JHB has managed to inveigle me into moving the Cs into a Solahma unit, I'll be replacing them with two Novas, two Kit Foxes, and a Loki. The first four are all CityTech plastics, so modding them will cover the inherent flaws.

I'll only need to move a star of BA with transports - a point of Anhurs and something else ought to do.

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« Reply #253 on: 22 July 2015, 07:32:54 »
Yup, probably, as I still have one high-quality plastic one left over unbuilt. Might build it as a C, and swap the Prime I have in the heavy star out for it into the recon star.
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« Reply #254 on: 27 July 2015, 14:53:03 »
It seems that Malvina is still ripping through the IS.  Arc-Royal falls in 3046.  Then Coventry is hit in 3048, but the Trutzburg entry (TRO 3150) suggests that the attack may have been repelled.  The Hell’s Horses still seem to be supporting Malvina.  So the Jade Falcons will go into the new era in a bloodbath. 

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« Reply #255 on: 27 July 2015, 18:41:09 »
The original twitter excerpts also included Greenlaw falling to the Wolves. It seems the clans are still attacking the Commonwealth.
But the Falcons also have some problems in their backs: the mysterious pirate band attacking their worlds, and the remnants of the Kell Hounds also attacking Falcon worlds on their way to the periphery. I would not be surprised if the Falcons overstretch themselves. They are overful but stretching from the periphery to the core facing the Wolves, Bears, the Commonwealth, and the Republic. And who knows how long the Horses will go along with the Falcons...

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #256 on: 27 July 2015, 18:44:31 »
So the Jade Falcons will go into the new era in a bloodbath.

You say that like it's a bad thing? ???

The Spheroids cannot be trusted until they have been crushed beneath our talons. They take any weakness and exploit it for their selfish ends. They must serve, or die.

[ooc] Am I the only one who seens (say) Alaric declaring himself ilKhan in Unity City, while overhead Malvina says "full thrust. The enemy's gate is down.", or words to that effect?
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #257 on: 28 July 2015, 00:10:03 »
At the very least, Malvina could attempt a trial of refusal. Imagine her becoming ilKhan.  :D

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #258 on: 28 July 2015, 04:07:51 »
No idea if the Anhur is any good as a mini- it's a right bastard of a nasty aircraft, but as a mini I'll defer to others. (Still sad that we only got the one of them in MWDA, it was a good sculpt there, but now it's a bitch to get your hands on them)

Anhur is BV and money cheap. That's it. I like the idea of having air support with cargo and it can quickly deliver 5 elementals anywhere on the table. But then you end up with 5 elementals out of position and without any help. And unless you get a lucky round with Anhur on full speed, it will be shot down by enemy 'Mechs 1 turn later.
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« Reply #259 on: 28 July 2015, 15:29:32 »
Well, I've returned from my survey of the Inner Sphere (read: finally catching up on the basic essentials of Battletech fluff through several days of Sarna.net browsing) and I can confirm that everything non-Falcon is corrupt and decadent. I've peered into the philosophies, governmental systems, social structures, military doctrines, economic programs and religions of the Spheroids and have come to the conclusion that Clan society is the best. Perhaps not the most free, but frequently the most just, scientific, efficient and (shockingly) the most peaceful and stable. Anyone else come to similar conclusions?

On another note, I think one of my issues with Malvina (other than my staunch traditionalism and conservatism) is that we just don't have any other major Falcons to look up to in the Dark Ages. Simply put, there isn't yet enough writing, game material or background stories to give us other options to idealize. Malvina is OK, but I'd like a little choice (something like the richness of dramatis personae found in the Clan Invasion years).

So, one last thought/question. Have the rest of the Falcons (other than Malvina's coterie) become content to just occupy their corridor, satisfied that they have liberated some of the Inner Sphere in Kerensky's vision? Are they increasingly calling it "home" instead of "invasion corridor"? Are they entering into Inner Sphere politics, or keeping themselves (and their original objective of sacred Terra) aloof from the Spheroids?
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« Reply #260 on: 28 July 2015, 15:57:14 »
I've peered into the philosophies, governmental systems, social structures, military doctrines, economic programs and religions of the Spheroids and have come to the conclusion that Clan society is the best. Perhaps not the most free, but frequently the most just, scientific, efficient and (shockingly) the most peaceful and stable. Anyone else come to similar conclusions?

Depends on how you look at it.  I'm personally not all that fond of militarist societies, or caste systems, and find the idea of eugenics a dangerously romanticized pseudo science.  But, as far as the Falcons are concerned, I like them because at least if you're going to be the product of an artificial society founded by a power hungry despot, you might as well do that to the best of your ability.  For that reason the Falcons are always close to my heart.  Where others buckle, they proceed.

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On another note, I think one of my issues with Malvina (other than my staunch traditionalism and conservatism) is that we just don't have any other major Falcons to look up to in the Dark Ages. Simply put, there isn't yet enough writing, game material or background stories to give us other options to idealize. Malvina is OK, but I'd like a little choice (something like the richness of dramatis personae found in the Clan Invasion years).

There is Noritomo Helmer at present.  The problem with him, however, is that for all his good intentions and desire to play the long game, he hasn't actually done anything significant.  He can't beat Malvina in a Trial, and that's what matters.  Until someone puts her down there is no saving the Falcons from their own might makes right code.

Historically, there were decent Falcon characters.  Aleksandr was a decent enough Clanner, and really what the Falcons needed.  Ambitious, but also compassionate.  Dangerous as a warrior, but sentimental and forgiving of the upstart Isorla he captured.  However, that sentimentalism was his undoing and affected Malvina.

Beckett Malthus, while an underhanded manipulator... was also an underhanded manipulator in grand Jade Falcon tradition.  His desire to break the stalemate between the Slips and Jessies was the catalyst for the Falcon Desant.  Unfortunately, the wrong Hazen died and he could not control Malvina as well as he thought he could.

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So, one last thought/question. Have the rest of the Falcons (other than Malvina's coterie) become content to just occupy their corridor, satisfied that they have liberated some of the Inner Sphere in Kerensky's vision? Are they increasingly calling it "home" instead of "invasion corridor"? Are they entering into Inner Sphere politics, or keeping themselves (and their original objective of sacred Terra) aloof from the Sphiroids?

You should read Flight of the Falcon, Blood of The Ilse, and A Rending of Falcons.  Those will give you the complete picture of what the Falcons have been up to in the early Dark Age and preceding years.  But, the short answer is, they invaded Skye and have been rampaging across Lyran space as well.  The Jade Falcon OZ is "home" since the events of the Wars of Reaving.  They are still hard on their civilian population and have transformed several Lyran worlds in their image.
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« Reply #261 on: 28 July 2015, 16:03:27 »
You should read Flight of the Falcon, Blood of The Ilse, and A Rending of Falcons.  Those will give you the complete picture of what the Falcons have been up to in the early Dark Age and preceding years.  But, the short answer is, they invaded Skye and have been rampaging across Lyran space as well.  The Jade Falcon OZ is "home" since the events of the Wars of Reaving.  They are still hard on their civilian population and have transformed several Lyran worlds in their image.

Ahh, it's nice to know that the Falcons are still punching waaaay above their weight class. How many worlds are in the Jade Falcon territory... 50? And the Lyran Commonwealth is something like 350 or more?

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« Reply #262 on: 28 July 2015, 16:51:31 »
I've never understood why people always say falcon's are hard against conquered civilians.   Everything I've ever read said the Falcons tended to just plant their flag, tell the populous to carry on, and then move on to the next planet.  A couple even referenced the planets' economies improving under Falcon rule.   

I remember in wars of reaving one clan(blood spirits?) tried to carve out the Falcon OZ from behind.  The didn't leave behind enough garrison forces after taking some planets because they assumed that after so many years the people would be used to clan rule.  They didn't realize the Falcons tended to use a hands off approach.  As a result, the few groups that were actually interested in ousting the clans from the start ended up finally getting enough support to cause problems for the new occupying clan.


Now with Malvina yeah, the falcons use an iron hand in an iron glove(with spikes) approach, but that wasn't always the case.  Although as I understand it if a planet's people cooperate, she's less likely to nuke their water supply.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #263 on: 28 July 2015, 16:52:33 »
Ahh, it's nice to know that the Falcons are still punching waaaay above their weight class. How many worlds are in the Jade Falcon territory... 50? And the Lyran Commonwealth is something like 350 or more?

Between the falcons and the wolves, I think that number is a lot smaller now.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #264 on: 28 July 2015, 17:13:28 »
Depends on how you look at it.  I'm personally not all that fond of militarist societies, or caste systems, and find the idea of eugenics a dangerously romanticized pseudo science.  But, as far as the Falcons are concerned, I like them because at least if you're going to be the product of an artificial society founded by a power hungry despot, you might as well do that to the best of your ability.  For that reason the Falcons are always close to my heart.  Where others buckle, they proceed.

Well said.


Ahh, it's nice to know that the Falcons are still punching waaaay above their weight class. How many worlds are in the Jade Falcon territory... 50? And the Lyran Commonwealth is something like 350 or more?

In that case the Falcons punched someone laying on the ground already, after the Wolves had cut down a significant part of the LCAF. As of 3145, the Falcon Touman alone outnumbers the LCAF (and the Wolves in Exile) by quite a margin. Then the Commonwealth has to deal with Wolves, the neoFWL, secessionist movements, coups...  No, beating the Commonwealth in 3145-50 really is not much of a feat anymore.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #265 on: 28 July 2015, 18:50:47 »
I've never understood why people always say falcon's are hard against conquered civilians.   Everything I've ever read said the Falcons tended to just plant their flag, tell the populous to carry on, and then move on to the next planet.  A couple even referenced the planets' economies improving under Falcon rule.   

Until such time as someone does something to annoy them. Then the reaction tends to be swift, hard, and rigid.

The Wolves might try talking to the disaffected, give them another chance, and if still not cooperative, perform a surgical strike.
The Bears end up welcoming the spheroids into their arms (and beds), and rely on the 'care bear stare" to bring them around.
A Falcon warrior, faced with a factory strike, calls down artillery to flatten the factory and two blocks in every direction around it. And then remind the people 3 blocks away that they should be grateful for the Falcon's forbearance.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #266 on: 28 July 2015, 20:35:35 »
But flattening the factory would be a waste of resources, quiaff? That's why the Falcons invented things like heavy flamers and AP gauss rifles. O0

Depends on how you look at it.  I'm personally not all that fond of militarist societies, or caste systems, and find the idea of eugenics a dangerously romanticized pseudo science.  But, as far as the Falcons are concerned, I like them because at least if you're going to be the product of an artificial society founded by a power hungry despot, you might as well do that to the best of your ability.  For that reason the Falcons are always close to my heart.  Where others buckle, they proceed.

The Falcons are quite good at fostering persistence, assuming they haven't already figured out how to breed for it. Something I've always liked about them.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #267 on: 28 July 2015, 21:39:58 »
I've never understood why people always say falcon's are hard against conquered civilians.   Everything I've ever read said the Falcons tended to just plant their flag, tell the populous to carry on, and then move on to the next planet.  A couple even referenced the planets' economies improving under Falcon rule.   

They built units like the Sokar to put down riots, and the example of pacification units in TRO 3085 is a Jade Falcon one.  We know they come down on civilian disruption really hard.

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Cargo and utility vehicles made up the bulk of traffic.  Pedestrians throned the sidewalks.  Clan Jade Falcon discouraged private vehicles almost as vigorously as they did firearms.  The foot traffic walked rapidly; their masters discouraged dawdling by Clan laborers and locals alike.  They kept their gazes down, lest they be deemed to challenge some passing warrior, which would have swift, and fatal results.



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I remember in wars of reaving one clan(blood spirits?) tried to carve out the Falcon OZ from behind.  The didn't leave behind enough garrison forces after taking some planets because they assumed that after so many years the people would be used to clan rule.  They didn't realize the Falcons tended to use a hands off approach.  As a result, the few groups that were actually interested in ousting the clans from the start ended up finally getting enough support to cause problems for the new occupying clan.

There was also a world that when the Lyrans took it back the people were too afraid of the returning Falcons that they would not use both their first name and last.  They continued to go by the single name conventions imposed by the Falcons.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #268 on: 13 August 2015, 15:40:11 »

Anyone run the Jade Hawk?  Are there any good variants for long-medium range fighting?

I'm a new player to Battletech, but I played MWAOD and played Jade Falcon pretty extensively.  I've got one of each of the new totem 'mechs (Shrike, Gyrfalcon, etc.) and I was curious to if anyone else ran them.   The claws, TSM, and supercharger scream "melee brawler", but I'm in need of something that is more focused on ranged attacks rather than physical.   One of the local players plays Clan Wolf and we've hand fun playing up the rivalry between our clans.  We have a Trial of Possession this weekend and agreed to follow Zellbrigen to the letter.   

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #269 on: 13 August 2015, 16:09:45 »
Haven't run any of them myself, but the Jade Hawk 2 looks like a good long-range fighter. You can't really go wrong with paired ER Large Lasers, especially when you can season your shots with ATMs according to situation and taste. Not as maneuverable as most Falcon designs these days, though. Same goes for the JHK-04. Most of the fast mover Jade Hawks are infighters. The Jade Hawk 3 technically fits the bill for maneuverability and range, but not really with enough firepower to turn the tide until you get in close and switch to HE missiles.

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