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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #330 on: 12 October 2015, 22:46:09 »
Were you previously a jaguar?

Even more bastardly: SLDF. 8)
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #331 on: 12 October 2015, 22:47:03 »
Because I like to embrace the crazy.

To be Jade Falcon is to be more then a little on the insane side. Everything they do is just that little bit over the top, a little bit melodromatic and a little overdone for the sake of it. Unifroms, BattleMech designs, colour schemes... you name it. And it goes further  then that; their heroes have been the ones who were crazy and unconventional and made it work.

In addtion, they are amazingly flexible for a supposedly conservative Clan. They change when they need to, and adapt to new circumstances. They made a Lyran-Born man the head of their merchant caste, and let him restrucutree their economy. Aiden Pryde got so good at Death from Above attacks that they built weapons and 'Mechs specifically to take advantage of that. At the same time, they don't shy away from what they are; if everyone else wants to paint them as the bad guy, then they will be the most terrifying bad guy you have ever met.

Also, Elziabeth Hazen is a total badarse

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #332 on: 12 October 2015, 22:53:25 »
Were you previously a jaguar?

I was. Smoke Jaguar to Ice Hellion to Jade Falcon.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #333 on: 12 October 2015, 23:21:33 »
I think that it's really interesting.

Wolf players it's a lot more idealistic. I'd go so far as to say that a Wolf Players ideal self is a clan wolf warrior. This sort of moral tribal soldier. It's incredibly associative. They really identify with it.

Falcon players seem to be disassociative. A sort of, "Sometimes I want to be a bastard." Sort of thing.

Alternatively Sea Fox players as far as I can tell are just a bunch of dudes with Liberal Arts degrees. (That's not actually true. I'm shooting for applied sciences, I know one professor and one chef.)

Anyways. I'm still interested. Was just kind of curious because of the, "Are we the baddies?" Aspect of it.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #334 on: 12 October 2015, 23:31:56 »
You see, we'd hardly agree that the Wolves represented any sort of "ideal". They're far too soft and fluffy; they accept freeborn into their highest offices, they show far too much softness to their lower castes, and have slipped from the purity of Kerensky's vision via this lack of focus.

(OOC - the Clan way, in its purest form, is disfunctional because it does completely subordinate all else to "might is right". The Wolves have taken a rational stance on some of this. OOC I can admire it, but IC it's a fall from grace ;)  And remember, the fiercest wars are fought between brothers ...)
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #335 on: 13 October 2015, 01:21:33 »
Indeed. To me, the original Clan Wolf was always Clan PeaceTech, Clan Davion, Clan 'Western Sensibilities'.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #336 on: 13 October 2015, 06:18:30 »
How come people like Jade Falcons? A lot of people seem to really identify with them...

Why are you guys into Jade Falcons?

I started off liking the Wolves for their pragmatism but they were so...vanilla.  After losing repeatedly to another player who chose the Wolves ahead of me while I played the Falcons, I became determined to beat him as a Falcon and eventually began to dominate him (Learning to play the Falcon Trinity of Kit Fox, Hellbringer, and Summoner took some time as they tend to be oriented to finesse rather than brawling; the learning curve can be pretty steep). 

As I examined the Falcon Clan closely, I saw their drive to be the best and promptly liked it. Consistently, you can/could find them within the top 5 of any combat arm rated against their peers.  The Falcons often have to work twice as hard for half the glory.  Some of this is due to their many flaws and blowhard, conservative ways.  Despite being conservative they can be flexible when it's called for.  Even so they're far from perfect (as some Wolf players I've run across claim for themselves), work hard to be the best, and aren't afraid to trumpet their power.  If you war with them, you will know you were in a heckuva fight. The boasting isn't empty. Because of sound leadership and military prowess, they became one of the most powerful Clans. They have a great selection of war machines for beating your enemy into a pulp. Which they should stay as if they know what's good for them.

They are FUN to roleplay.  You can say and do things that would often cause the death of other characters if they did them. You get away with it because you are a JADE FALCON. It's expected that you'll say outrageous things. Just be ready to back them up. Some of the best satisfaction I've had ATOWing is somehow managing to make a roll that I shouldn't have and winning some action to verify some boastful thing I said.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #337 on: 13 October 2015, 10:01:59 »
Boiled down, being a Falcon means never having to say you're sorry; you can make them be sorry.

Welp, this thread is done for; someone has finally Falconed hard enough.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #338 on: 13 October 2015, 10:05:24 »
I started off liking the Wolves for their pragmatism but they were so...vanilla.  After losing repeatedly to another player who chose the Wolves ahead of me while I played the Falcons, I became determined to beat him as a Falcon and eventually began to dominate him (Learning to play the Falcon Trinity of Kit Fox, Hellbringer, and Summoner took some time as they tend to be oriented to finesse rather than brawling; the learning curve can be pretty steep). 

As I examined the Falcon Clan closely, I saw their drive to be the best and promptly liked it. Consistently, you can/could find them within the top 5 of any combat arm rated against their peers.  The Falcons often have to work twice as hard for half the glory.  Some of this is due to their many flaws and blowhard, conservative ways.  Despite being conservative they can be flexible when it's called for.  Even so they're far from perfect (as some Wolf players I've run across claim for themselves), work hard to be the best, and aren't afraid to trumpet their power.  If you war with them, you will know you were in a heckuva fight. The boasting isn't empty. Because of sound leadership and military prowess, they became one of the most powerful Clans. They have a great selection of war machines for beating your enemy into a pulp. Which they should stay as if they know what's good for them.

They are FUN to roleplay.  You can say and do things that would often cause the death of other characters if they did them. You get away with it because you are a JADE FALCON. It's expected that you'll say outrageous things. Just be ready to back them up. Some of the best satisfaction I've had ATOWing is somehow managing to make a roll that I shouldn't have and winning some action to verify some boastful thing I said.

Boiled down, being a Falcon means never having to say you're sorry; you can make them be sorry.

Says it better than anything I could have put.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #339 on: 13 October 2015, 10:07:12 »
Boiled down, being a Falcon means never having to say you're sorry; you can make them be sorry.

Preach it, brother.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #340 on: 13 October 2015, 12:31:02 »
I think that it's really interesting.

Wolf players it's a lot more idealistic. I'd go so far as to say that a Wolf Players ideal self is a clan wolf warrior. This sort of moral tribal soldier. It's incredibly associative. They really identify with it.

Falcon players seem to be disassociative. A sort of, "Sometimes I want to be a bastard." Sort of thing.

Alternatively Sea Fox players as far as I can tell are just a bunch of dudes with Liberal Arts degrees. (That's not actually true. I'm shooting for applied sciences, I know one professor and one chef.)

Anyways. I'm still interested. Was just kind of curious because of the, "Are we the baddies?" Aspect of it.

I’m an “idealistic” Falcon.  I’ve never seen the Falcons as bad guys.  They are just another faction that wants to subjugate the IS and reform the Star League in their image – the same thing all the Great Houses want to do.  In fact I always saw the clan invasion as the overnight creation of a new successor state – nothing more. 

What I like about them over other clans, is that they are open about what they are trying to do.  I also really like the honor aspect.  Too often in pop culture success is equated with abandoning honor.  The Jade Falcons get to be honorable and successful (till the DA when they become a bit cliche). 

Here’s how we see the universe.  We are a faction that needs to liberate the IS from the Great Houses because they deliberately destroyed the greatest civilization in human history to satisfy their greed.  Indeed, conquest by the clans is liberation.  Among the clans we need to be/are leaders because we have never strayed from the Kerensky way (I’m looking at you Wolves). 

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #341 on: 14 October 2015, 11:11:29 »
I’m an “idealistic” Falcon.  I’ve never seen the Falcons as bad guys.  They are just another faction that wants to subjugate the IS and reform the Star League in their image – the same thing all the Great Houses want to do.  In fact I always saw the clan invasion as the overnight creation of a new successor state – nothing more. 

What I like about them over other clans, is that they are open about what they are trying to do.  I also really like the honor aspect.  Too often in pop culture success is equated with abandoning honor.  The Jade Falcons get to be honorable and successful (till the DA when they become a bit cliche). 

Here’s how we see the universe.  We are a faction that needs to liberate the IS from the Great Houses because they deliberately destroyed the greatest civilization in human history to satisfy their greed.  Indeed, conquest by the clans is liberation.  Among the clans we need to be/are leaders because we have never strayed from the Kerensky way (I’m looking at you Wolves).

There's not a word in this post I disagree with. Well put, sir!
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #342 on: 14 October 2015, 11:29:40 »
I see it differently.  The Falcons are so convinced of their own self righteous cause that they don't really care about the occasional lapse in honor.  It isn't the habitual, intentional subversion of the Clan honor system in order to get what they like, ala Clan Wolf.  But, make no mistake, the Falcons are fine with a little Dezgra action, here or there and trying to take the moral high ground afterward.

And that's why I like them.  Instead of being "Aren't we clever?" the Falcons will breach their honor when needed and act like nothing happened.  It is that sort of self serving hypocrisy that I do love.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #343 on: 14 October 2015, 16:31:30 »
Any other Falcons get a good laugh out of JadeHellbringer being the one to lock the the wolf thread?  ;D

And on page 49.   >:D
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #344 on: 14 October 2015, 16:37:36 »
Any other Falcons get a good laugh out of JadeHellbringer being the one to lock the the wolf thread?  ;D

And on page 49.   >:D

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« Reply #345 on: 14 October 2015, 16:39:21 »
By that point it wasn't about Clan Wolf anymore, but taking shots at the maddening concept of Jade Falcon success.

At any rate, let us practice better thread hygiene in our own OZ.  So about them Falcons...
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #346 on: 14 October 2015, 16:43:44 »
So what's the best composition for a Falcon front line Cluster.

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« Reply #347 on: 14 October 2015, 16:44:52 »
Which era?
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #348 on: 14 October 2015, 16:49:27 »
I’m an “idealistic” Falcon.  I’ve never seen the Falcons as bad guys.  They are just another faction that wants to subjugate the IS and reform the Star League in their image – the same thing all the Great Houses want to do.  In fact I always saw the clan invasion as the overnight creation of a new successor state – nothing more. 

What I like about them over other clans, is that they are open about what they are trying to do.  I also really like the honor aspect.  Too often in pop culture success is equated with abandoning honor.  The Jade Falcons get to be honorable and successful (till the DA when they become a bit cliche). 

Here’s how we see the universe.  We are a faction that needs to liberate the IS from the Great Houses because they deliberately destroyed the greatest civilization in human history to satisfy their greed.  Indeed, conquest by the clans is liberation.  Among the clans we need to be/are leaders because we have never strayed from the Kerensky way (I’m looking at you Wolves). 
There's not a word in this post I disagree with. Well put, sir!

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #350 on: 14 October 2015, 18:02:14 »
So what's the best composition for a Falcon front line Cluster.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #351 on: 14 October 2015, 18:29:56 »
So what's the best composition for a Falcon front line Cluster.
All the rage in existence.

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« Reply #352 on: 14 October 2015, 18:38:55 »
All the rage in existence.

(Dark Age, add talons. And some black eyeliner.)


Don't forget the warship.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #353 on: 14 October 2015, 18:48:28 »
Be cheaper if you guys dropped rocks.

Rocks don't have the 'statement' value of a Nightlord.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #354 on: 14 October 2015, 19:00:36 »
Any other Falcons get a good laugh out of JadeHellbringer being the one to lock the the wolf thread?  ;D

And on page 49.   >:D

A new thread had started, that one was going to need to be locked in the next few posts anyway... my joke in there aside, don't EVER go thinking I lock threads because of some silly faction bias. I'd just as easily lock this one or any other thread on the forums if they reach Page 50, and have on many occasions.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #355 on: 14 October 2015, 19:12:13 »
A new thread had started, that one was going to need to be locked in the next few posts anyway... my joke in there aside, don't EVER go thinking I lock threads because of some silly faction bias. I'd just as easily lock this one or any other thread on the forums if they reach Page 50, and have on many occasions.

There's a thousand and one good reasons to poke fun at the Wolves and their fans. My mod duties aren't one of them.

I have no doubt you're telling the truth, but that doesn't make it any less funny.   O:-)
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #356 on: 15 October 2015, 01:48:06 »
On the subject of Cluster composition and tactics in the Dark Age, are there some canon examples of what the Falcons are using? Recently picked up FM:3145, and it's a bit light on details. Mixed Clusters will probably be fairly versatile, but do they include conventional forces? Forces using the Mongol Doctrine have fast light units supporting heavier units. Hell's Horses seems to use light vehicles and heavy mechs (according to pg.208), but is this directly mirrored by the Falcons, or would they use light mechs instead of vehicles?

Anything in the TROs or fiction that shed some light on this?

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« Reply #357 on: 15 October 2015, 11:24:34 »
In the Early DA all forces, including Turkina Keshik, are combined arms – to include vehicles and conventional infantry.  As the DA progresses and manufacturing across the IS picks up, forces start to rebuild you’ll probably see a lot more traditional organization.  So trending to a mech based force supported by BA and fighters.  But there’s no reason you couldn’t have some vehicles and conventional infantry as a legacy of the earlier period if you wanted.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #358 on: 15 October 2015, 13:53:51 »
So by 3145 we are probably seeing a front line cluster composition of:-

Command Star
3 Mech Trianaries
Battle Armour Trinary
AeroFighter Trinary

As we did in the 3050's

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #359 on: 15 October 2015, 14:05:44 »
So by 3145 we are probably seeing a front line cluster composition of:-

Command Star
3 Mech Trianaries
Battle Armour Trinary
AeroFighter Trinary

As we did in the 3050's
Don't forget, Malvina has been heavily influenced by the horses and has been recruiting from even civilians. It's quite possible the falcons are still going combined arms.
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