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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #600 on: 14 September 2016, 12:25:14 »
Sure it can. You just have to be really careful, and they'll likely have to travel the last bit under their own power.

Remember, "Can't" and "It's a Bad Idea" are two very different things. :)
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #601 on: 15 September 2016, 08:06:29 »
Sure it can. You just have to be really careful, and they'll likely have to travel the last bit under their own power.

Remember, "Can't" and "It's a Bad Idea" are two very different things. :)
Ok, you got me there. But what caught my eye is pg 64 & 106 of Alpha Strike. It has a CT25. The CT text says any cargo is deployed using the "Units as Cargo" rules from pg 64. That section says it can only unload 1 unit per turn (so a single point of BA) and that unit is only combat ready after 30 turns.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #602 on: 15 September 2016, 09:33:31 »
Check the errata. CT and IT are freely interchangeable at the start of any game. :)
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #603 on: 15 September 2016, 13:34:10 »
Check the errata. CT and IT are freely interchangeable at the start of any game. :)
Well, I definitely missed that one.  [face palm]
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #604 on: 16 September 2016, 21:16:30 »
Remember when I first saw that the coolant trucks had CT8, my first thought was to load them up with battle armor and have them burst out Kool-Aid style.

Dunno if this has come up before, but is there anything to suggest the Falcons used captured IS battle armor? I'm vaguely aware of the GD Surat, but I was thinking the Sloth fits the "bad idea" mold, and might spark trials of refusal by those assigned to use it.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #605 on: 19 September 2016, 08:50:25 »
Remember when I first saw that the coolant trucks had CT8, my first thought was to load them up with battle armor and have them burst out Kool-Aid style.

Dunno if this has come up before, but is there anything to suggest the Falcons used captured IS battle armor? I'm vaguely aware of the GD Surat, but I was thinking the Sloth fits the "bad idea" mold, and might spark trials of refusal by those assigned to use it.

Depending on how you view MWDA's armies, the Falcons used things like Fenrir and Grey Death armor. Whether that can be relied on is a bit open to interpretation (remember, this game also gave Ullers to several armies but not the Falcons, and Zeuses to several armies- including the Falcons and Kurita!- but not Steiner), but it's possible anyway for them to be using stuff like that here and there- likely in second-line units, if they do.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #606 on: 19 September 2016, 09:38:04 »
I imagine that like most armies, the Falcons are using whatever they can get their hands on. Inferior Spheroid machines would be funneled to garrison and solahma units so that the 'true' Clanners can use the proper tools of war.

During the Desant and the occupation of the Reach, the Falcon's made use of local manufacturing to resupply themselves.

So really, use what you want, it can pretty much be justified.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #607 on: 20 September 2016, 19:08:59 »
Going to ask this here. I have been working on a variant of the Eyrie for some time now and have finally settled on what I am doing with it. This will be made for extended operations needing no resupply. Replace all weapons with and extra jump jet, 5 er medium lasers and a targeting computer. Now for the actual question what would you suggest for the model, 2 of the 5 lasers are going in the arms? I was thinking of using what I have on hand that looks like the right size (Vulture resculpt arms). I just cant make up my mind what to do with this.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #608 on: 20 September 2016, 19:15:43 »
Put two lasers in each arm. That way, with torso twist, you can get 360 degree coverage, which is really helpful in a bouncing jumper.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #609 on: 20 September 2016, 20:13:06 »
I should have said 2 in each arm i tossed the other in the head just for fun. Just wondering what you guys think would fit the falcon way of building mechs to represent these arms on the actual model.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #610 on: 20 September 2016, 21:21:21 »
You could do the simple thing, cut one of the missile ports off the existing arm and paint them as lasers.

Or you could cut off one port, and fix a laser tip on the remaining two ports.

I tend not to hold with enormously long medium lasers, but there's nothing stopping you using Mad Dog arms ;)
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #611 on: 21 September 2016, 08:33:35 »
If you go with twin lasers in each arm, Winston tank turrets might be a decent replacement for the standard arms.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #612 on: 21 September 2016, 17:38:30 »
Honestly, I'd go with a bunch of Smalls.  Three ER Smalls in each arm, two SPLs in each torso.  But then, that's because I'm lazy and it'd still match the mini. ;)

Then I'd add a Bloodhound, and a half ton of Cargo ala the Wulfen Prime for 'extended operations'.  A single MechWarrior can function for a long time in the field with 345 kg of rations (for "quarters" on a spacecraft, it's 5 kg per person per day.  Since a 'Mech can be exited, and there's no need to recycle air or water [see rest of list], that should work for a few months' worth), 105 kg of spare parts (three months), a portable water purifier, and some scout equipment.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #613 on: 21 September 2016, 19:25:00 »
I've long assumed that Mechs on a long march or patrol carried such supplies and personal effects externally, leaving it all at a campsite before entering a combat zone. Kinda like the external racks on a tank, but in this case taking the form of a mech-sized fanny pack.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #614 on: 21 September 2016, 19:34:20 »
I was operating more under the premise of being able to pick up and go in seconds.  With externally mounted equipment, it'd be difficult (especially a 'Mech without hands ;) ) to break camp and not lose... well, just about anything.

That, and 'Mechs with cargo are cool. 
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« Reply #615 on: 21 September 2016, 20:35:27 »
Oh, I'll give you that. A mech with an enclosed cargo bin would be able to move through water or other icky environments without worrying about damaging the camping gear. Definitely useful on long patrols when you don't know when the weather will turn to crap.

I wonder what the cubic volume of a half-ton bay is. In truly bad weather, it might be big enough to cram your sleeping bag instead of sleeping outside.
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« Reply #616 on: 21 September 2016, 20:37:02 »
I wager its roughly the size of a modern shipping pallet.  I know I could fit 500 kg onto a wood pallet pretty easy.
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« Reply #617 on: 21 September 2016, 23:27:28 »
I wonder what the cubic volume of a half-ton bay is. In truly bad weather, it might be big enough to cram your sleeping bag instead of sleeping outside.
It's at least 494,000cm^3, because that's the requisite volume for 500 kilos of quality beer.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #618 on: 21 September 2016, 23:40:25 »
Doesn't allow for packaging, so you'd need a fluid gun ammo crit to carry that ;)
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #619 on: 22 September 2016, 02:58:04 »
 ... starting to sound like a formidable defense against Roman's Mounted Fusiliers.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #620 on: 22 September 2016, 21:54:31 »
The main reason I built this is I just don't like ATM's that much and the ER mediums are great to use while manuvering in to DFA range.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #621 on: 03 October 2016, 01:44:07 »
Was trying to solve a little mystery and think I might have a plausible theory ...

Onager-->Shrike
Flamberge-->Jade Hawk
Shadow Cat II-->Gyrfalcon
Night Hawk?-->Eyrie

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« Reply #622 on: 03 October 2016, 08:42:41 »
Was trying to solve a little mystery and think I might have a plausible theory ...

Onager-->Shrike
Flamberge-->Jade Hawk
Shadow Cat II-->Gyrfalcon
Night Hawk?-->Eyrie

This one? http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Night_Hawk

I mean, art-wise there's some resemblance. In terms of role they're not even close, but I guess if you put wings on a Night Hawk there's some possibility there. Intriguing.

The Gyrfalcon though? If you want to know what the Gyrfalcon's granddaddy is, look no further:



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Large lasers and autocannons paired in the arms to make for a nasty long-range AA unit? You betcha. But where the Rifleman had slow movement, the Gyrfalcon is quick and even can jump a surprising distance- which means it's a MOBILE platform that can reach out 25+ hexes to make life miserable. It's the evolution of an old favorite, and I couldn't be more in love with the design. Curious where you got Shadow Cat II out of it though.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #623 on: 03 October 2016, 09:26:09 »
Personally, I think the Eyrie was an attempt to fix the Erinyes. It was clearly successful, but I imagine that playing a documentary about the Reaving era was a powerful motivator.
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« Reply #624 on: 03 October 2016, 09:36:54 »
Personally, I think the Eyrie was an attempt to fix the Erinyes. It was clearly successful, but I imagine that playing a documentary about the Reaving era was a powerful motivator.

"Make it not suck! How? Why are you asking ME, YOU are the scientist, just DO it. Advice? Er... make it have real wings! And get rid of the stupid face! Can we get lasers on there? And talons! Ooooooh, ATM racks would be sweet! And cupholders for the cockpit! A cockpit, we should have one of those too! And- yes, I know it's only a couple of tons, MAKE IT WORK SURAT. Ugh, fine, bump it a bit in size, what do I care. Hey, can we get jump jets? And spinners for the knee joints? Stop looking at me like that, you get paid the same amount whether you like me or not. Heh, get it? Because you're basically slave labor? I kill me... anyway, WHY ARE YOU NOT WORKING?"
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« Reply #625 on: 03 October 2016, 15:15:15 »
The funniest part of the Rifleman -> Gyrfalcon comparison is that the Gyrfalcon is also like 50% tougher thanks to its Reflective armor.  Literally better in every single way.
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« Reply #626 on: 03 October 2016, 15:19:51 »
The funniest part of the Rifleman -> Gyrfalcon comparison is that the Gyrfalcon is also like 50% tougher thanks to its Reflective armor.  Literally better in every single way.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #627 on: 12 October 2016, 09:57:56 »
Megamek game last night while watching SHIELD, Jade Falcon medium Star vs. company of FedSuns forces... Black Lanner C had two kills. One was thanks to a lucky headshot on a Rifleman, but the other... lost control on concrete (needing a 4 I rolled a 2), skidded a disturbing distance before smashing into a Dervish, which then was displaced into water and breached its center torso.

It might not be one for the pilot's highlight reel, but a kill is a kill.  ^-^
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #628 on: 19 November 2016, 19:34:46 »
Was it ever said when/how the Jade Falcons recaptured Blackjack from the Steel Vipers between '52 and '57?

EDIT: actually between '52 and '54, looking at Objective Raids.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #629 on: 06 December 2016, 16:00:40 »
How would you guys allocate DropShips to transport a standard Falcon Cluster (3050)?

Assuming:
1 x Command 'Mech Star
3 x 'Mech Trinary
1 x Elemental Trinary
1 x Fighter Trinary
50 'Mechs, 75 Elementals, 30 Fighters

JFSB roughly gives two Overlords and a Union per Cluster - but I think Clan equipment has been more fleshed out since 1992 and was wondering what you guys thought.

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