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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #630 on: 06 December 2016, 16:14:49 »
That's... not what I'd really call a standard Falcon Cluster.  Going through the Jade Falcon sourcebook (which is admittedly 3052), we see:

Turkina Keshik has a Command 'Mech Star, 3 'Mech Trinaries, an Elemental Trinary, and a Fighter Trinary.
The Falcon Guards has a Command 'Mech Star, 3 'Mech Trinaries, and 3 Trinaries consisting of a Nova and two Elemental Stars each.
The 3rd Falcon Talons has a Command 'Mech Star, 2 'Mech Trinaries, 2 Nova/Elemental Trinaries, and a Fighter Trinary
The 7th Falcon Regulars has the same as the 3rd Falcon Talons
The 9th Talon cluster has a Command 'Mech Star, 3 'Mech Trinaries, a Nova/Elemental Trinary, and a Fighter Trinary

I think your 'standard' is about two Trinaries short, though you came up with the right number of 'Mechs somehow. ???  A Trinary is only 15, remember.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #631 on: 06 December 2016, 16:30:28 »
Just for strategic mobility reasons, I'd say go Broadsword, Sassanid, Titan, trip Union-Cs. You can run it off of a couple of Invaders or Tramps, or a Star Lord.
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« Reply #632 on: 06 December 2016, 17:02:02 »
I think your 'standard' is about two Trinaries short ...

Yep, typo on the 'Mech Trinaries. Should be '3'.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #633 on: 06 December 2016, 18:15:13 »
Given the era, that's it - all Omnimechs, all ride-on Elementals, no vees.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #634 on: 06 December 2016, 18:51:01 »
I'd say that the typical Cluster from Tukayyid was heavier on 'Mechs than just three Trinaries and a Command Star.  Most of the Elemental Trinaries also had a Nova as their lead element, which increases the number of 'Mechs by 5-10.  Call it an even 60 for a 'typical' one with one Supernova.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #635 on: 06 December 2016, 20:00:55 »
Just for strategic mobility reasons, I'd say go Broadsword, Sassanid, Titan, trip Union-Cs. You can run it off of a couple of Invaders or Tramps, or a Star Lord.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #636 on: 06 December 2016, 20:49:18 »
One problem is that a Cluster is an insanely flexible term; off the top of my head the smallest I can think of is a command start, one OmniMech trinary and one Supernova. The largest I can think of is 15 non-specific Trinaries, although that unit was almost never in one place at one time. The invasion-era Falcons seem to be reasonably consistent in their cluster sizes, however.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #637 on: 07 December 2016, 03:03:20 »
The Clans just don't have alot of options, without going back to the Star League designs, or modifying the various DropShips.

If I was worried about docking collars, I'd go with an Overlord-C, a Sassinid, a Clan Titan and a Broadsword. If I wanted a bit more flexibility, I'd probably swap out the Overlord-C for 2 Union-Cs and 4 Broadswords.

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« Reply #638 on: 07 December 2016, 03:28:34 »
The Sassinid entry indicates the Falcons don't have a lot of that particular ship - so I imagine the implication there is that the Falcon versions of their Unions/Overlords have 'Mech bays converted to Elemental areas?

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« Reply #639 on: 07 December 2016, 04:11:34 »
Nope, they just put Omni-style handgrips and power points on the outside.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #640 on: 07 December 2016, 13:36:32 »
The Sassinid entry indicates the Falcons don't have a lot of that particular ship - so I imagine the implication there is that the Falcon versions of their Unions/Overlords have 'Mech bays converted to Elemental areas?

Actually it says that they, along with Clan Wolf, "possess the fewest." That doesn't say anything about the absolute number. The Jaguars could have 80 of them, the other clans 75 and the Wolves and Falcons 70 each, and still "possess the fewest," but still have enough for their Touman. Especially since the design dates back to 2875.

But yeah. Modifications take place among the Clans. The Outpost entry in 3067 notes that the Horses convert their Union-Cs and Overlord-Cs on a case-by-case basis, so there's no reason to believe that the Falcons don't do the same, though their slightly more regimented approach to Cluster creation would limit somewhat how much conversion is needed.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #641 on: 07 December 2016, 15:27:35 »
I also suppose it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think of a lot of those Unions described in JFSB were actually Sassinids... seeing as a) FASA hadn't invented it yet and b) perhaps ComStar didn't recognize them as a different vessel at that early stage.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #642 on: 07 January 2017, 01:40:52 »
Just going to pop in and ask if any of my Falcon brothers remember me? Last time I posted on the Battletech forums they had a different forum and they have moved since... =)

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #643 on: 07 January 2017, 04:53:07 »
I also suppose it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think of a lot of those Unions described in JFSB were actually Sassinids... seeing as a) FASA hadn't invented it yet and b) perhaps ComStar didn't recognize them as a different vessel at that early stage.

Or they could just use the cargo bays.
BA (or any other specialist bay) offer faster egress and superior repair options  but that is about it.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #644 on: 07 January 2017, 13:34:02 »
Was skimming through "Lost Destiny" "Lethal Heritage" a little while ago and came across something pertinent:

Comstar observing the Falcons on Twycross -
The Primus herself answered his question. "One ship is believed to hold what they refer to as a Cluster—approximately forty-five—of their front-line 'Mechs. The ship itself appears to be built along the lines of a modified Overlord Class DropShip. The other ship looks like an Intruder Class DropShip and is home to approximately seventy-five of their armored infantry."
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« Reply #645 on: 12 January 2017, 18:17:11 »
Was just trying to get my head straight on all the happenings in the Wars of Reaving show as it pertained to the Falcons. If anyone can help me out with a more specific date or a big-ticket item I missed, let me know.



3069

?? ????
On Marshall, the 2nd Falcon Velites use artillery in a trial against the Viper Fusiliers.

05 November
During a Grand Council, Clan Steel Viper's vote of censure on the Falcon's artillery use is soundly defeated.
During a Grand Council, Clan Steel Viper's motion to brand the Jade Falcons 'dezgra' and that they should be expelled from the homeworlds is defeated.

?? November
Steel Viper Alpha Galaxy invades Ironhold. 12th Falcon Talon and Zeta Solahma defeated by mid December.

?? ????
Steel Viper Beta Galaxy invades Marshall and destroys the 2nd Falcon Velites.
Steel Viper Gamma Galaxy invades Eden and defeats the 1st Falcon Dragoons and 3rd Falcon Velites.
Steel Viper 93rd Assault Cluster invades Huntress and destroys the 3rd Falcon Dragoons.
Steel Viper invades Tokasha (Sigma Solahma garrison).
Steel Viper invades Gatekeeper (53rd Battle Cluster garrison).
Steel Viper invades Barcella (109th Striker Cluster garrison).
Steel Viper invades Glory (2nd Falcon Dragoons garrison).



3070

?? January
Steel Viper Triasch Keshik invades the Falcon enclave on Strana Mechty and destroys the 3rd Battle Cluster.

?? February
Steel Viper Alpha Galaxy invades Lum and destroys the 74th Battle Cluster, removing the last Jade Falcon Enclave in the homeworlds except for Strana Mechty.



3071

?? June
Clan Ice Hellion invades the Jade Falcon Occupation Zone.

?? December
The remaining members of Clan Jade Falcon leave Strana Mechty and the Homeworlds.



3072

?? April
Clan Ice Hellion's invasion force ceases to exist.

?? April
Warriors of Chistu and Mattlov bloodlines suddenly effected by a mysterious malady.

?? May
Severe viral outbreak on Wotan causes system to be placed under quarantine.
HPGs on five Jade Falcon worlds go offline. Several JumpShips along the Periphery suffer a variety of failures.

?? June
Waldorff, Parakoila assaulted by Society forces.

10 June
Etienne issues ultimatum to Khan Marthe Pryde to surrender the Clan to the scientist caste.

18 June
Kael Pershaw and elements of Alpha Galaxy arrive at Waldorff.

30 June
Society force on Waldorff destroyed.

?? June
Hawk Eye destroys New Kent and the Society force on Parakoila from orbit.

?? September
Clan Jade Falcon's Trial of Annihilation of Clan scientists begins.



3073

?? ????
Scientists won from Clan Wolf begin work on Jade Falcon programs.

?? January
Network virus attacks Jade Falcon communications networks.

?? March
95% of Falcon HPG network is downed. Over 33% of Falcon merchant caste fleet shut down.

?? April
Scientists won from Clan Hells Horses arrive and begin work.

?? June
Planetary Command Centre destroyed in a chemical blast. Society spreads word that Denizli is a safe haven.

?? November
Clan Jade Falcon locates Ettienne's hidden base.

?? December
Alpha Galaxy, Falcon's Nest, Hawk Eye, and Turkina's Pryde arrives at Ettienne's Sanctuary and destroys every trace of the Society found on the planet.



3074

01 January
Sixty percent of Jade Falcon Trueborn scientists Annihilated.

?? September
Khan Pryde (and Keshik?), Alpha and Gamma Galaxies arrive at Denizli and order all inhabitants to report to designated safe zones for verification.

01 October
Falcon forces assault suspected Society strongholds. Systematic razing of all cities on Denizli begins.



3075

17 February
Grand Council declares the Jade Falcons, along with Ghost Bears, Snow Ravens and Diamond Sharks, as Abjured Clans.

18 February
During Council of Six Clans, Marthe Pryde's motion for the six Inner Sphere Clans to forswear any further contact with the Homeworld Clans is carried.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #646 on: 15 February 2017, 10:17:59 »
So my wife gave me a Titanium Series First Order Stormtrooper Transport for Valentine's, and while I have no interest in it as a Star Wars bit, it is of a good size to use in Battletech, and might look good in green. What's a good orbit-to-surface assault shuttle the Falcons might use for rapid deployment of Elementals?

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #647 on: 15 February 2017, 15:38:23 »
Lupus. Wolf Dragoons design. Other than that. iDK.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #648 on: 15 February 2017, 16:05:08 »
So my wife gave me a Titanium Series First Order Stormtrooper Transport for Valentine's, and while I have no interest in it as a Star Wars bit, it is of a good size to use in Battletech, and might look good in green. What's a good orbit-to-surface assault shuttle the Falcons might use for rapid deployment of Elementals?

(Canon designs only, of course)

Mark VII IIC is something that shouldn't exist yet it is canonical.  You could fly over a battlefield with one of those and make it rain Elementals.  Or even land and do it the boring way where they storm out on foot as the loading door drops.

There's the NL-42 "Battle Taxi" too.  Spheroid rather than aerodyne hull type, so I don't know which design fits the aesthetic of the model better.  It's got a (canonically rumored) clan-spec variant used by Wolf's Dragoons too called the Lupus.  From the perspective of the Inner Sphere it might be unique to the Wolf's Dragoons, but how many such units are really just general Clan units?  I'd imagine every Clan operating power armored marines (if such a thing is even distinguishable among the Clans from Battle Armored ground troops) would possess some sort of Battle Taxi for boarding ops.

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« Reply #649 on: 15 February 2017, 16:24:46 »
Well, the advantage of a mini that doesn't really look like any of those classes is that I can use it as one class of shuttle in one game, and a different class in the next. O0

I've used the Mark VII-C to good success(anything that can deliver a Star of battle armor to the field even while being intercepted by an Ostrogoth is automatically on my good side), but when I want to actually land my shuttles, I think I'll go with the K-1C. It's much tougher than the Mark VII-C, and two K-1Cs are still cheaper than three Battle Taxis for delivering troops directly to the field while still having some room in the bay for either a point or two of LZ-defense infantry, or cargo for bringing back isorla.

It's a shame that none of the small craft in the newer TROs really look like they would fit the bill.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #650 on: 24 February 2017, 00:14:36 »
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #651 on: 05 March 2017, 06:27:26 »
Hello Falcons. I'm considering building freebirth, second line binary for a filth. Let them have at least some fun, too. Did any Clan had particular favourite 'Mechs from IIC series? Beside Hunchback. :)
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« Reply #652 on: 05 March 2017, 14:19:40 »
As with everything - it depends on the year - but generally the Jade Falcons had plenty of

 - Griffin IIc
 - Hunchback IIc
 - "Galahad IIc" (Glass Spider)
 - Rifleman IIc
 - Warhammer IIc
 - Marauder IIc

You'd easily find Locust IIc, Shadow Hawk IIc and  "Wolverine IIc" (Conjurer) around as well.

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As of the 3080s, the Falcons produce:
Locust IIc
Rifleman IIc
Thunderbolt IIc (deployed for protoype/evaluation purposes and doesn't appear to have gained much traction)
Marauder IIc

They also bought the following from the Sharks:
Griffin IIc
Shadow Hawk IIc
Phoenix Hawk IIc
Warhammer IIc

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« Reply #653 on: 05 March 2017, 14:29:29 »
The Rifleman IIC and Battlemaster are in production on Pandora, and you can probably bet that the Beemers are C variants, which are nasty enough to be front line Clan Assaults if they were Omnis.  It's armed with a HAG-30 (4 tons ammo), 4x MPL, 2x ER ML, a Targeting Computer for all those, and an ATM 6 (3 tons amo).  It's 100% ClanTech, too, so the XL Engine doesn't even hurt much.
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« Reply #654 on: 05 March 2017, 16:31:27 »
Thanks.
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« Reply #655 on: 05 March 2017, 16:32:10 »
I also want to add that any of the original Invasion Clans would have as well:

Marauder-3R(c)
Warhammer-6R(c)
Archer-2R(c)
Atlas-7D(c)
Champion C
Clint IIC
Great Wrym
Firefly C
Falcon-4N-PP2 ( Exodus variant, not clan tech but hey you wanted Freebirth... )
Wyvern IIC
Commando IIC
Griffin IIC
Highlander IIC
Hoplite C
Horned Owl
Jenner IIC

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« Reply #656 on: 05 March 2017, 17:12:48 »
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« Reply #658 on: 08 March 2017, 11:53:31 »
As of the 3080s, the Falcons produce:
Locust IIc
Rifleman IIc
Thunderbolt IIc (deployed for protoype/evaluation purposes and doesn't appear to have gained much traction)
Marauder IIc


Plus the Thunderbolt IIC 2.
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« Reply #659 on: 18 March 2017, 11:32:22 »
Falcons! The voices from the Remembrance call to us!

What is the state of the Jade Falcon vision and philosophy after 3081? I realize the material and political state of the Clan... they had been halted at Tukayyid, caught up in pointless infighting with Clan Wolf and Diamond Shark in the interim period, humiliated by the failures of the lesser clans during the Great Refusal and Operation Bulldog and denied coming any closer than the moon to the jewel Terra during the Jihad.

Materially, the Clan is depleted to the point that any major operations are impossible. Politically, they have been able to keep their slice on the Inner Sphere and settle in to running those worlds.

But the Crusader philosophy and the great vision of the ancestors in the Remembrance seems to have hit an insurmountable obstacle. The entire raison d'être of invading the Inner Sphere was to take back that which rightfully belongs to us... that shining jewel Terra. So how has this vision and creed evolved with the historical events since 3050? Have the Falcons been forced to reinterpret their scriptures? Did they start to accept "Terra" as being a metaphor for simply returning to the Inner Sphere more generally? Most invasion clans have disintegrated and reintegrated into the Inner Sphere (Ghost Bear, Wolf in Exile, Goliath Scorpion, Snow Raven, Nova Cat)... they mix bloodlines with freebirth and share power, taking up their customs and forgetting the Way of the Clans. The disappointments of the Clan Invasion have been so destructive and demoralizing that these Clans completely lost any reason to continue existing in the traditional, corporate way, and they have evolved and diffused into their host cultures and societies.

In truth, only Jade Falcon remain on the pure path... but what does it mean now that the original goal is beyond reach?

For the sake of the argument, let's leave out the 3145 Jade Falcon situation and Malvina Hazen (I am not sure that she really is a revival of the Crusader mission, anyway... she champions "win at any cost" but lacks the spiritual foundations of the Crusader way).
« Last Edit: 19 March 2017, 05:30:31 by Achtung Minen! »

 

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