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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #870 on: 27 September 2019, 17:48:48 »
Raptor Keshik is Malvina's personal guard of loonies... err, I mean the Khan's honourable personal unit. It's not assigned to any galaxy, acting as an independent unit.
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« Reply #871 on: 27 September 2019, 18:20:44 »
Well given that, I'm assuming metallic with forest green trim, based on the White Rose mini issued by WizKids.

I'd go gunmetal, green trim, joints/grilles in steel for contrast, allover black ink wash, drybrush the trim back up.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #872 on: 27 September 2019, 22:49:28 »
Who's Raptor Keshik again? Which Galaxy?

I did manage to resolve that Gyrfalcon Galaxy is just the DA-era name for Delta; they abandoned the green & yellow trim for metallic with green trim.

It's also called Gyrfalcon Galaxy in the Jade Falcon sourcebook, much like Gamma Galaxy is called Jade Falcon Galaxy.  I found that out earlier this week doing research for a project.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #873 on: 27 September 2019, 23:36:53 »
I realize that Keshiks are fluid, almost ad-hoc units.  But does Turkina Keshik st exist in DA?  Or was it desolved when Raptor Keshik was formed?

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #874 on: 28 September 2019, 00:33:59 »
I realize that Keshiks are fluid, almost ad-hoc units.  But does Turkina Keshik st exist in DA?  Or was it desolved when Raptor Keshik was formed?

Keshiks are typically the personal unit of the Khan/saKhan of a Clan.  Ad-hoc isn't really the word I'd use to describe them.

Both Turkina Keshik and Raptor Keshik are mentioned in Era Report 3145 according to sarna.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #875 on: 28 September 2019, 08:32:20 »
I realize that Keshiks are fluid, almost ad-hoc units.  But does Turkina Keshik st exist in DA?  Or was it desolved when Raptor Keshik was formed?

Turkina Keshik has been moved to lead formation of Alpha (Turkina) Galaxy and are led by saKhan Ryan Pryde. So it seems they've become the saKhan's unit, rather than the Khan's. A bit of a fall.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #876 on: 28 September 2019, 10:37:26 »
The Jade Falcons have only ever had one or two Keshiks, right? I know some Clans have more.
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« Reply #877 on: 28 September 2019, 10:42:39 »
The Jade Falcons have only ever had one or two Keshiks, right? I know some Clans have more.

Yeah, some clans have a keshik per galaxy, but the Falcons only ever had one until the advent of the Raptor Keshik.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #878 on: 28 September 2019, 12:36:17 »
Yeah, some clans have a keshik per galaxy, but the Falcons only ever had one until the advent of the Raptor Keshik.

That's what I thpught as well.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #879 on: 07 October 2019, 12:45:11 »
Has Raptor Keshik's color scheme ever been described in any novels? "The Anvil" mentioned pro-Mongol Falcons wear black uniforms and ER:3145 shows Raptor's logo is the Eye of Horus, but I've not seen mention of 'Mech colors.

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« Reply #880 on: 07 October 2019, 13:43:45 »
Has Raptor Keshik's color scheme ever been described in any novels? "The Anvil" mentioned pro-Mongol Falcons wear black uniforms and ER:3145 shows Raptor's logo is the Eye of Horus, but I've not seen mention of 'Mech colors.

No.  It was created out of Malvina's supporters from the Desant, though, so a decent not-official scheme would be the gunmetal/green Jade Falcon scheme from Clickytech
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #881 on: 19 November 2019, 06:43:36 »
I spent a while in Battletech-related introspection recently and had a realization.

I'm a Falcon.

Now, I'm still originally and primarily a Horse, and that's likely gonna stay that way; but more and more I find myself valuing and respecting the Falcons. This is probably more surprising to me than it ought to be given that I've been posting under a Falcon bloodname since I started on these boards 10-odd years ago, but I've had a complicated relationship with the Clan of Hazen ever since I first came in contact with this universe.

My first Battletech experience was Mechwarrior 2, in which I initially picked the Wolves because I thought the logo looked cooler. Then, I switched to the Falcons because they got earlier access to heavier mechs. Then, I read about the Refusal War in the in-game codex and decided the Falcons were jerks. A while later, I read the Legend of the Jade Phoenix, and while that gave me a really interesting look into Clan society and such... it really didn't endear me to the Falcons. (Side note: because of the direction I came to the game in, it was a long time before I realized the Clans were not actually the primary protagonists. ;D)

I dismissed the Falcons for a long time, considering them stuck-up, arrogant, hidebound jerks with no sense of humour. I picked my screen name not because of any actual liking for them; I just didn't like the sound of any of the Wolf bloodnames, and didn't really know anything about the other options.

However, in the past year or so my feelings have changed about them. My perception of them hasn't changed at all; I still think of them as being the same honour-obsessed stuck-in-the-past ****** who wouldn't recognize a sense of humour if it flew down and lobbed a katana at them, but but how I feel about them has.

What I've realized: I like the Falcons. They represent the heart of the Clans, to me; not the best of the Clans, necessarily, but the most important parts. Not the Jaguars' hamfisted heavyweights and their scream and leap philosophy, not the Wolves' scheming practicality, not the Bears'... whatever the Bears have. The Falcons embody the base essence of a Clan warrior: speed, fury, skill and pride; and their refusal to compromise their honour codes and beliefs even when everyone around them is cheating their honourless asses off really endears me to them, because they realize that that means they have to work twice as hard and be twice as good as everybody else, and they believe they can pull it off.

And so the Mongol Doctrine is really poignant to me because it's the cauldron boiling over on one hundred years of the Falcons' frustration and rage that no matter how hard they work and how good they are, they cannot beat their opponents and achieve their goals while staying true to their code. And in that moment, I think, part of the clan decided without really realizing, that they valued their code more than their goals... and I respect the hell out of that. But the other part, that cast it aside and followed Malvina... I want to see them win. I want to see Malvina tear Alaric Wolf's body out of his cockpit on Terra's blood-soaked sands and cry out in victory.

I don't think it'll happen, but I hope it does.

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« Reply #882 on: 19 November 2019, 12:59:42 »
Seylah, brother. You summed up perfectly how I feel about the Clan. And came to the same realisation as I did about Malvina and the Mongols. "I am mad as hell, and I am not going to take any more!"
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #883 on: 25 November 2019, 19:51:17 »
What.

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« Reply #884 on: 26 November 2019, 04:50:45 »
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #885 on: 26 November 2019, 09:39:08 »
What I've realized: I like the Falcons. They represent the heart of the Clans, to me; not the best of the Clans, necessarily, but the most important parts. Not the Jaguars' hamfisted heavyweights and their scream and leap philosophy, not the Wolves' scheming practicality, not the Bears'... whatever the Bears have. The Falcons embody the base essence of a Clan warrior: speed, fury, skill and pride; and their refusal to compromise their honour codes and beliefs even when everyone around them is cheating their honourless asses off really endears me to them, because they realize that that means they have to work twice as hard and be twice as good as everybody else, and they believe they can pull it off.

I'll always be Wolf and Blood Spirit primarily, but I agree with this sentiment. It's what had me build a couple of trinaries in default Falcon camo (from the JFSB) and a binary of Turkina Keshik, and what is now making me think I need to add a Raptor Keshik force as well.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #886 on: 27 November 2019, 15:49:54 »
Alright, so I think I figured how I wish to organize my Kickstarter purchase into Clan and ComGuards units.
First, the clans will be assigned to a new Galaxy.  Tyr Galaxy for now.  This is only for cheap fiction purposes and is not really needed I admit for gaming purposes.

So, my questions are:

Novas - Would a nova be identified as T43GA Nova 1 (First nova of Tyr Galaxy's 43rd Grenadiers Alpha Binary/Trinary)  Or Should I break the nova down to two stars.  T43GA Beak 1 and T43GA Strider 2?

For cheap fiction purposes, the galaxy consists of four clusters.  One cluster is at 100% (15 stars), one cluster is at 87% (13/15 stars), the 43rd is at (6/15 stars) and there is a Garrison Cluster identified as Tyr Garrison Cluster.  (How original I know.)
 
For the 43rd, I have included two aerospace stars.  Should I assign these fighters to Epsilon Binary (Alpha, Beta, Epsilon) or should I assign the fighters to Gamma Binary and move the fighters to Epsilon when more mechs and elementals are acquired to bring the 43rd up to full-strength?

For the galaxy command unit(s).

I think TCOM 1 and TCOM 2 works. 
But if I want to assign a fighter binary to the command unit.  Should these two fighters be identified as TCOM Wing 1 TCOM Wing 2.  Or should they be identified as TCOM 3 and TCOM 4?  Maybe they should be identified as T Wing 1 and T Wing 2?

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« Reply #887 on: 29 November 2019, 01:25:01 »
Hello Fellow Falcons :)

Good to be back

I am looking for a unit logo for the "74th Battle Cluster" of Zeta Galaxy (soon to be Gamma ;)) can anyone help me out

Thanks 8)

On another note, recently read "The Anvil" good novel, as I like it sets the stage for the future, and hopefully Malvina finally for Honour's sake, being deposed
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #888 on: 02 December 2019, 09:15:27 »
I am hoping some veteran Falcons can help me out. In the Revival Trials pdf the Falcons are described as the “Light armor” of the clans. In the Jade Falcon phonebook there are two galaxies comprised predominantly of light mechs.

Is that how most players see the Falcon emphasis on “mobility”? From the other sources it just seems like the falcons have a preference for the jumpy and faster mechs in each weight class.

I find it hard to believe that the Falcons would have as much success as they did in the invasion with that many Kit Foxes. And if it really was that way, then my respect for the falcons going harder and stronger than anyone else has reached a whole new level.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #889 on: 02 December 2019, 09:43:54 »
The Falcons are very much a mobility focused Touman though not to the extent of the Hellions.  The Storm Crow, Ice Ferret, Shadow Cat, and many light or medium mechs are within the Touman along with the Summoner and Hellbringer we all know and love.  Remember that they were facing down the LyrCom Wall of Steel with its big short range autocannons where the ability to get behind and beyond them would be a major tactical and strategic coup.  Also don't forget that a medium Clan Omnimech easily packs the same amount of firepower of a Gen 1 Heavy in a faster package.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #890 on: 02 December 2019, 10:36:57 »
Also consider that even given Lyran stereotypes, the bulk of their enemies drove Centurions, Hunchbacks, Commandos, Valkyries, Phoenix Hawks, Shadow Hawks...you get my drift. Also consider that much of the invasion pitted elite Clan pilots against regular or veteran IS ones. I think you might be surprised at just how much mileage you can get out of skilled Kit Foxes in those circumstances.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #891 on: 02 December 2019, 14:06:28 »
Kit Foxes vs IS 3015-era heavies is work. Kit Foxes vs IS 3025 mediums and lights isn't, under normal circumstances. Barring the occasional Hunchback, there aren't many IS 3025-era mediums or heavies that can take down a Kit Fox fast, and most of those can be engaged at range.

A Clan ERPPC, with a better pilot and on a chassis generating an additional +1 to hit compared to it's target, adds up, for example.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #892 on: 02 December 2019, 14:47:49 »
A veteran Kit Fox A using overwatch rules, with buddies to keep the main combat units away from him, is essentially a one-mech answer to all of your enemies' light mechs.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #893 on: 04 December 2019, 18:35:46 »
I don't know... when I play Falcon, I prefer the Kit Fox C, S and W models...

Yes W, even if it IS a Wolf's Dragoons exclusive!

My main ride is a S model, but I'll take the C over anything else out there.

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« Reply #894 on: 05 December 2019, 04:39:21 »
I like the S and C myself (in that order), but the giggly part of me can never resist the A
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #895 on: 05 December 2019, 04:53:50 »
But eight rounds.... for a BOOM cannon if hit!

Loose that arm, your fallback weapons are a pair of ER Mediums...

Sure that built-in CASE will protect you, but a lucky hit robs you...

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« Reply #896 on: 05 December 2019, 04:54:18 »
And there's my non-canon J variant. Anything which can mount a Gauss can carry a Clan Arrow IV ...

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« Reply #897 on: 05 December 2019, 04:57:33 »
Nice pic WT!

Though I'd have shaved off the shoulder and mounted the A4 directly to the torso, that way I can't lose the "Paddle" if the lower arm or elbow gets a crit!

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« Reply #898 on: 05 December 2019, 11:27:21 »
But eight rounds.... for a BOOM cannon if hit!

Loose that arm, your fallback weapons are a pair of ER Mediums...

Sure that built-in CASE will protect you, but a lucky hit robs you...

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #899 on: 11 February 2020, 09:02:31 »
A quick question for the Falcons here.

We know that pre REVIVAL the Falcons entered a deal with the Snow Ravens to get two Stars of WarShips to bolster their fleet, do we know what ships were actually traded over? Or is it basically where the Falcons got their Aegis class spam from?
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