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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #900 on: 11 February 2020, 10:44:45 »
The Falcons didn't actually gain any ships, it's that Snow Raven ships were folded into the Falcon command chain. All the Falcon Aegoi in the sourcebooks were already Falcon ships before this. I swear, if Di Tron Industries still exists in any form in the modern era, those two Clans are their greatest advertisements.

Honestly, I find the whole Raven deal very interesting. The Falcons were one of the many Clans that actually expected to steamroll the Inner Sphere with minimal (but somehow glorious) resistance, and they had the same reports as everyone else from before the Dragoons went dark, saying the House Fleets were largely gone. Even if they decided to take any reports of the Fox project very seriously, we're talking about Falcons deciding their capabilities were lacking, and then asking for help from outsiders. Mind-bogglingly laudable. :o

I blame Khan Crichell, and think he may be my favorite Khan. :)
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #901 on: 11 February 2020, 11:39:11 »
Interesting, I always thought the Aegis spam was what the Raven's gave the Falcons as part of the deal as it would explain the uniformity of the ships in the Falcons service. Heck only the Nova Cats had an equal number of Aegis class ships in service.

My interpretation of the deal was

Falcons] We need ships
Ravens] We have ships. Will trade for wares.
Falcons] We will give you stuff for ships
Ravens] Well bargained and done!

And then they just gave them a bunch of hulls in return for various cuts on what the Falcons would take in terms of resources, as well as a world. But as you said, it was remarkably sanguine of the Falcons to actually go ahead with this deal in light of what they knew about the state of the Inner Sphere. Perhaps they felt the  would need the heavy lift that Warships could do in terms of cargo etc?
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #902 on: 11 February 2020, 12:05:01 »
Possibly. Sarna's article on Crichell does say he was able to quickly resolve the logistical issues faced by the Invasion forces.

I still think they were meant to defend the Falcon invasion forces from heavy aerospace defenses. I don't remember where, but I recall a note somewhere saying the Raven ships were released and went back home when it was determined that there were no Inner Sphere ships for them to fight.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #903 on: 11 February 2020, 12:27:03 »
I'd assume that the deal was started by his predecessor Yvonne Hazen as I'd assume they did it a little bit beforehand and following the Outbound light's arrival.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #904 on: 11 February 2020, 13:15:51 »
It would be totally in Falcon character to not fully trust what a bunch of Wolf-lead scouts were telling them.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #905 on: 11 February 2020, 13:24:58 »
It would be totally in Falcon character to not fully trust what a bunch of Wolf-lead scouts were telling them.

My thinking exactly :) The last report was what 20 years old? and Its from Wolves and you trust them as far as you could chuck a Dire Wolf.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #906 on: 11 February 2020, 16:31:38 »
He doubts the strength of the Falcon! Get him!
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #907 on: 12 February 2020, 18:19:26 »
It would be totally in Falcon character to not fully trust what a bunch of Wolf-lead scouts were telling them.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #908 on: 12 February 2020, 21:06:21 »
A couple of q's regarding the Falcon Guards:
1) IIRC they got destroyed at some point. Did they get rebuild during the Dark Age?
2) Do they use unique paint scheme or do they use Gamma Galaxy colors?
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #909 on: 13 February 2020, 04:44:51 »
Dark Age featured Falcon units were:

Alpha Com Trinary
Beta Com Trinary
Zeta Galaxy
Gyrfalcon Galaxy (aka Delta)
Turkina Keshik

For what it's worth. No other information known to me at this point.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #910 on: 13 February 2020, 09:59:58 »
That was a weird midnight question on a phone. Finally got to my PC to check FM3145.... aand there's no Falcon Guards listed under any Galaxy among Jade Falcon forces.
Guess they're dead and buried.

Anyway, still wondering about their paint schemes. Per Camospecs, Gamma Galaxy uses appropriate camo with jade trim, and since Falcon Guards aren't noted anywhere specifically, i assume they use the same?
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #911 on: 13 February 2020, 11:10:07 »
That was a weird midnight question on a phone. Finally got to my PC to check FM3145.... aand there's no Falcon Guards listed under any Galaxy among Jade Falcon forces.
Guess they're dead and buried.

Anyway, still wondering about their paint schemes. Per Camospecs, Gamma Galaxy uses appropriate camo with jade trim, and since Falcon Guards aren't noted anywhere specifically, i assume they use the same?

Falcons Guards were destroyed in 3072 (ish) and never reconstituted.
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« Reply #912 on: 13 February 2020, 14:34:43 »
Seems a smidgen weird given their legacy but i suppose the Jihad delayed any plans to rebuild them, and subsequent downsizing (however much that affected the Clans) caused them to stay dead.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #913 on: 16 February 2020, 18:19:22 »
Apparently, getting destroyed a few times makes you dishonorable and not worthy of reforming. Maybe there was no one with a tainted legacy like Aidan Pryde to dump on them to reform...

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« Reply #914 on: 16 February 2020, 18:35:49 »
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #915 on: 23 February 2020, 12:41:25 »
Just curious here,  do you prefer the current (3053-3075 ish) deployment of front-line and second-line clusters in the same galaxy, or do your prefer the galaxy's units to be all front-line or all second-line?
My preference is the mixed deployment and I personally think that is how the Falcons treated some of their units during the original invasion when I read the Jade Falcon sourcebook. 
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #916 on: 23 February 2020, 22:09:42 »
The Falcons didn't actually gain any ships, it's that Snow Raven ships were folded into the Falcon command chain. All the Falcon Aegoi in the sourcebooks were already Falcon ships before this. I swear, if Di Tron Industries still exists in any form in the modern era, those two Clans are their greatest advertisements.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #917 on: 28 February 2020, 20:25:48 »
Just curious here,  do you prefer the current (3053-3075 ish) deployment of front-line and second-line clusters in the same galaxy, or do your prefer the galaxy's units to be all front-line or all second-line?

If secondline clusters are garrisoning the Homeworlds, then separate galaxies are fine.  If secondline clusters are occupying or invading in the OZ, then they should be integrated with frontline clusters in the same galaxies.  Guarding the henhouse doesn’t require as unified a command as invading and taking over some else’s henhouse.

Although not a perfect analogy — there are no part-time Clan warriors — I think this binary command structure is akin to the command of US National Guard units, which report to the States during peacetime/US stations and report to the Federal Government (Army and Air Force) during wartime/overseas stations.

Of course, the Falcons and most Clans involved in Operation Revival were not actually this smart with regards to how they utilized their secondline and garrison forces.  The Falcons’ frontline galaxies simply became depleted and secondline clusters were moved up to fill the gaps.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #918 on: 03 April 2020, 16:29:16 »
I want to see Malvina tear Alaric Wolf's body out of his cockpit on Terra's blood-soaked sands and cry out in victory.
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If only CGL would just do this. It would be a wonderful narrative stroke, forcing the meta-protagonists (e.g., Wolf) to seriously reevaluate their frames of reference.

And of course Malvina as ilKhan would have huge potential.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #919 on: 03 April 2020, 16:36:29 »
Malvina is a traitor, not a proper Falcon at all.
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« Reply #920 on: 03 April 2020, 18:13:12 »
Malvina represents the penultimate development of CJF and the clans generally.
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« Reply #921 on: 03 April 2020, 18:14:08 »
I want to see Malvina fail so hard it gives someone else the ba... er... beak (wings? talons?) to wrestle control away from her.

After that we can take Terra.  :beer:
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #922 on: 03 April 2020, 18:31:27 »
Malvina is a traitor, not a proper Falcon at all.

Malvina is just nuts.  She’s not fit to manage a 7-11, forget a Clan or resurrected Star League.

Malvina represents the penultimate development of CJF and the clans generally.

Devolution, not development, is the right word here.  And if she’s the penultimate devolution, I’d hate to see the ultimate.
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« Reply #923 on: 03 April 2020, 18:33:14 »
Malvina is a wasteful surat. Threw pretty much all honorable conduct away.
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« Reply #924 on: 03 April 2020, 18:54:39 »
The ultimate development of the Clans would be them being reabsorbed into Inner Sphere society.

If Malvina becomes ilKhan, the most likely outcome is the Clans (including her CJF opponents) simply moving the goalposts, so to speak.

If your metric for understanding the Clans is “purity” everything since the return has been “devolution.”
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« Reply #925 on: 03 April 2020, 19:29:12 »
The ultimate development of the Clans would be them being reabsorbed into Inner Sphere society.

If Malvina becomes ilKhan, the most likely outcome is the Clans (including her CJF opponents) simply moving the goalposts, so to speak.

If your metric for understanding the Clans is “purity” everything since the return has been “devolution.”

Malvina quite simply doesn't have enough political acumen to create an ilClan environment where the other Clans step into line, nor does she have enough humility to admit to a loss and bring her Clan into line.

Any ilClan outcome - no matter whether it's led by the Falcons or by another Clan - with by necessity demand the death of Malvina. I do not expect her to survive the next sourcebook, nor will her Mongol philosophy be able to survive a world where the ilClan is to become a sphere-wide body of authority and significance.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #926 on: 03 April 2020, 21:14:21 »
I think it is tough for Clanner fans to accept but the Kerensky mythology is just a mythology. The invasion did not work. Nothing went as expected. More importantly, their experiences since the return fundamentally changed the Clans. CJF is among the most conservative, maybe the most, and the reign of Malvina shows you in a very clear, very extreme way how a century of fighting in the IS has developed — or devolved, if you prefer — “clan orthodoxy.” To me, this is why it would make perfect meta-sense for Malvina to “win” the ilKhanate; that would demonstrate with a real finality that all of this had been a reactionary fantasy, a futile attempt to sail into the current of history. It is possible, of course, to scream into the wind but what do you become by doing it? I think the answer is, Malvina and the Mongols.
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« Reply #927 on: 03 April 2020, 22:12:22 »
We know her daughter/pet has a knife now.  That would be an interesting plot twist.
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« Reply #928 on: 03 April 2020, 22:18:04 »
We know her daughter/pet has a knife now.  That would be an interesting plot twist.

Really? It's been what I've expected pretty much since Cynthy was introduced.
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« Reply #929 on: 04 April 2020, 01:17:00 »
Yeah what an utter fizzle that would be.
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