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"Hunters of the Deep" actually covers such an occurrence. And it goes poorly for the renegade.
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"Hunters of the Deep" actually covers such an occurrence. And it goes poorly for the renegade.

Thanks! I'm not really up on DA-era Foxlore, so I'm to some extent talking out my ammo bin here.

I was looking on sarna and noticed the titles. So we have Aimags (clusters), operating from CargoShips and lead by an ovKhan. A group of Aimags form a Khanate (galaxy), operating from ArcShips and run by a saKhan.

And the Sea Foxes as a whole are run by an "ilKhan"? I'm assuming the wiki is accurate; i have no way of knowing and would love for someone who knows something to speak up. Normally the senior Khan is the kaKhan (though the term is archaic).

We've been speculating about who the ilClan would be (from the upcoming rumored supplement), and even I thought the foxes were a long shot. Might they be the ilClan? With their khan being officially the ilKhan of the Clans, and the Sea Foxes responsible for running all the non-clan-specific bureaucracy and administration? They'd hardly be the clan of clans like the Falcons or Wolves, but their claim to a title like that has to come from somewhere or they'd be buried in Trials of Grievance. Claiming inflated titles isn't really the Sea Fox way.

Anyway, like I've already said twice. I have no idea about Dark Age Foxes, so could someone who knows something tell me if this is ridiculous or possible?

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Not to familiar with current Diamond Shark patterns

Camo Specs Online has entries from Field Manual: Warden Clans posted for various Diamond Shark Galaxies.

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Sarna is wrong.  They're ruled by a Khan who runs the ilKhanate.  There are about 5 saKhans (who run Khanates) and then numerous ovKhans which is now an official rank instead of a term of respect (they run the Aimags).

The Khanates and Aimags seem to have replaced Galaxy's and Clusters for the most part.  But we'll know more once ER:3145 comes out.
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Camo Specs Online has entries from Field Manual: Warden Clans posted for various Diamond Shark Galaxies.
hmm. No metallic paint there.
I actually do like that DA color scheme, it's fairly striking, so I hope at least one of the fleets adopts it.

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Or if any of the Galaxies retain their Diamond Shark iconography. Sigma Galaxy fought a Trial of Refusal to retain the name "Fox's Whelps" and retain some Fox symbolism (though their keshik lost a ToR to remain a keshik and became a skate instead).

Based on the Tiburon, I think the Sea Foxes have no problem with acknowledging their stint as the Diamond Sharks.

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Even with all that autonomy, sometimes people just want more.  And besides, the Bears have such close knit bonds, yet Omega is standing in dissent, though from what I understand, they are not in full rebellion. 

Granted, the situation that Omega is in is far different.  I just figured if one Clan unit, now away from the Homeworlds, can begin to question the Clan's system (in any way; the Foxes and Bears have very different concerns and outlooks), then others might do so as well.


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Sarna is wrong.  They're ruled by a Khan who runs the ilKhanate.  There are about 5 saKhans (who run Khanates) and then numerous ovKhans which is now an official rank instead of a term of respect (they run the Aimags).

The Khanates and Aimags seem to have replaced Galaxy's and Clusters for the most part.  But we'll know more once ER:3145 comes out.

Ahhh, cool thanks.

BTW, funny and appropriate that the Sea Foxes have essentially adopted an M-form organizational structure. Very 80's but also very Foxy. ;)

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hmm. No metallic paint there.
I actually do like that DA color scheme, it's fairly striking, so I hope at least one of the fleets adopts it.

Actually, you could go with Lambda Spina :

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Lambda Spina has adopted a blue and silver paint scheme.

We've given a blue dominance on CSO as of now, but technically, I'd see nothing wrong with an interpretation with more silver.  ;)
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Actually, you could go with Lambda Spina :

We've given a blue dominance on CSO as of now, but technically, I'd see nothing wrong with an interpretation with more silver.  ;)
Maybe, but that's more a 'two seperate colors' listing.
The DA Sea Foxes were a bright metallic blue-green.

Although, I did notice one of the galaxies had 'irridescent' effects. That could work.

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Maybe, but that's more a 'two seperate colors' listing.
The DA Sea Foxes were a bright metallic blue-green.

Although, I did notice one of the galaxies had 'irridescent' effects. That could work.

Yeah, I also feel like Rho Spina seems the be the easiest to interpret into the MWDA mini colors.

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Well guys, we're officially 100% Foxy.

Thoughts on the new stuff?

We're selling a lot of good, high quality gear!! Glad to see the factories are still churnin' away. I'm not sure what to make of our new leadership though...
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I have to ask you guys this. Are you selling the Mad Cat Mk IV like a 21st Century Earth Cellphone Company? where it costs about 92 million cbills, but you'll let it go for the 24m cbill price tag of a Timber Wolf if we sign a 10 year maintenance contract with the Sea Foxes?
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I have to ask you guys this. Are you selling the Mad Cat Mk IV like a 21st Century Earth Cellphone Company? where it costs about 92 million cbills, but you'll let it go for the 24m cbill price tag of a Timber Wolf if we sign a 10 year maintenance contract with the Sea Foxes?

Don't give them ideas...
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Don't give them ideas...

They are SharkFoxes. Theres no way I thought of that before them.
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Don't give them ideas...

Too late!! :D :D :D

Yeah my jaw dropped at some of the possible price tags. Either XXL engines, ferro-lamellor and all the newfangled weapons have gotten a price drop, or we're getting filthy rich. And if people want to fork over the cash for this kind of stuff, well, who am I to tell them that they're wrong?

If they cost as much as they normally would, it creates an even greater divide between what the line armies of the Inner Sphere can field, and what Mercs can wield.
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Oh crap gotta change my sig now that we're officially in a new era.
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Oh crap gotta change my sig now that we're officially in a new era.

Change it to what?  Clan Sea Fox, Om nom nom nom nom?  or Mmmmmmm.... Inner Sphere's money (said in Cartman's voice).
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Change it to what?  Clan Sea Fox, Om nom nom nom nom?  or Mmmmmmm.... Inner Sphere's money (said in Cartman's voice).

Just had to slightly modify my disclaimer, replacing all instances of Diamond Shark with Sea Fox. Don't want those vict- err, those customers exploiting any loopholes now, do we?
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If they cost as much as they normally would, it creates an even greater divide between what the line armies of the Inner Sphere can field, and what Mercs can wield.

Well, it's quite simple, really.
If you have money, you get a Vulture Mk. IV or a Mad Cat Mk. IV. If you have no money, you get a self exploding Stalking Spider II. I think that's fair :D
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So my question is this: how are Fox military assets distributed among the Aimags, and what would their touman actually DO, since they're all out to sell you Mad Cat IVs now?
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Well, part of the Navy kept Regulus from reinforcing Atreus.  They patrol the Clan Protectorate, and since the Spirit Cats are rebuilding, likely they garrison the other Protectorate worlds from enclaves.
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I think I know why you guys are putting XXL engines on everything know. While pretending to strengthen the resiliency of the units you offer with Ferror-Lamellor armor, in fact they are actually a lot easier to destroy because of the XXL engines. BUT destroyed units automatically create further demand for new units.
Genius.

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I think I know why you guys are putting XXL engines on everything know. While pretending to strengthen the resiliency of the units you offer with Ferror-Lamellor armor, in fact they are actually a lot easier to destroy because of the XXL engines. BUT destroyed units automatically create further demand for new units.
Genius.

This is why I can't be a Lyran in charge of procurement.  They would just make it a 100 Tons and then I'd buy it while they sniggered behind my back at their profit and my future dependence.  Well Bargained and Done indeed.
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I would rather have us stick to domestic armament products than buying up all those fancy looking Fox mechs anyways. :P

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I think I know why you guys are putting XXL engines on everything know. While pretending to strengthen the resiliency of the units you offer with Ferror-Lamellor armor, in fact they are actually a lot easier to destroy because of the XXL engines. BUT destroyed units automatically create further demand for new units.
Genius.


Shhh!!!!!!!


Yeah not a fan of XXL. However, it's interesting, I think we're going to be seeing the Foxes turning into an Aerospace-focused clan (like the Cobras and Ravens). It'll be cool to watch that unfold and see how it changes them.

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So my question is this: how are Fox military assets distributed among the Aimags, and what would their touman actually DO, since they're all out to sell you Mad Cat IVs now?

Some rough equivalencies to make it easier for other Clanners to understand. Khanates/Aimags can field fewer/more units depending on the situation.

Khanate = Galaxy
     lead by a saKhan = saKhan/Galaxy Commander mix
Aimag = Cluster
     lead by a ovKhan = Star Colonel

The Sea Fox touman is still fielded in a mostly defensive role. They are there to make sure the Sharks aren't ripped off, and to protect Shark assets from raiders and other undesirables. If a planet/faction does fleece the Sharks, the touman can quickly retaliate (see: Fox actions against the Wolves in 3097).

However, the touman can also be used in an offensive capacity, as a means of securing resources that benefit the Clan as a whole. This can include raw materials, bondsmen, equipment and enclaves. A good example of this would be on Marik in 3137.

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I had a strange thought.  With the fact that the Sea Foxes are using a C-Bill equivalence in the form of a Fox Credit. could it be possible they will end up being the new ComStar?  I wonder if with their Clan Technicians they could end up being the ones to bring communications back to the Inner Sphere.
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I had a strange thought.  With the fact that the Sea Foxes are using a C-Bill equivalence in the form of a Fox Credit. could it be possible they will end up being the new ComStar?  I wonder if with their Clan Technicians they could end up being the ones to bring communications back to the Inner Sphere.

Will they? Who knows? Should they? Absolutely! Conquering planets and pacifying occupation zones isn't their thing.

From a metaplot perspective, either they replace ComStar (which after the WoB I can't imagine is a hard sell to everyone else), or they are a competitor.

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Will they? Who knows? Should they? Absolutely! Conquering planets and pacifying occupation zones isn't their thing.

From a metaplot perspective, either they replace ComStar (which after the WoB I can't imagine is a hard sell to everyone else), or they are a competitor.

They already are a damned good competitor, with all of their Aimags floating around the sphere gathering, using and selling information.
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